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I had a close eye on Kathy’s original animated films, but have lost track of the performance
works. It was with some excitement and interest that I contacted her to ask several
questions about her more current work and have been pleased for the chance to catch up - a
little bit. There are 2,395 posts and 10,011
comments so far.
Q. To begin with, can you tell us about your beginnings; why you gravitated toward
animation in the first place, and what steps you took?
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I was a film major at the
Philadelphia College of Art, and Toot Bd - repost
while there, I saw the animation of Animator Photos
Yoji Kuri, specifically – his film Ai
Awards, Animated Oscars and
(pictured right). I was totally
other movies
enchanted with his work. That and an
interest in photography and collage Jesse Marsh Comics
led me to animation. My thesis Rowland Wilson's Tubby & the
project was a live action film, called Poo-Bah
Portraits, but included pixilation and
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some cut out animation which I
projected onto a live face in the film. Search
The project was a series of portraits
of friends, the
last – a self portrait – included Search
excerpts of the other pieces, and finally this projection, all signifying our projection of others
into our self image. Animation Links:
I also was training in dance and performing with a multi-media group in Philadelphia called
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Group Motion, started by former students of the great German expressionist dancer Mary
Wigman. This experience would have an enormous impact on me in the coming years.” Cartoon Modern
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When I left PCA, in 1971 I started to teach myself animation. My father – who was a
photographer – gave me $1000 as a graduation gift to make an animated film. I did several Mayerson on Animation
explorations, using drawing pads to create the animation. Movers (on my site) was the last A Film L.A.- Hans Perk
piece I made in that series before going to Cal Arts.
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Q. You graduated from CalArts in 1974 with a class that produced a number of important Mark Sonntag
non-linear filmmakers, such as Adam Beckett, Dennis Pies, Joyce Borenstein and yourself,
Mark Kausler's It's the Cat
who turned Independent animation on its ear. Can you tell us a bit about those years; was
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department was small – only around 8 people at the most worked in the animation room, and John Vincent
some worked at home. Adam Beckett worked during the night – at home or in the optical
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printer room. He and I were in a relationship from 1972-74, and shared a lot about the
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animation we were working on. Dennis Pies (now Sky David) also worked in his dorm, as
did Joyce. But we were all drawn together not just in our department, but with the rest of the Lineboil
Cal Arts community. For awhile I took some dance at the school along with another animator Dave Levy - Animondays
Lisa Rose. (no relation). An animator who was very influential on our group of artists was
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Jim Gore, who was not a student at Cal Arts. Adam had connected with him and his films.
Dream of the Sphinx, and The Letter had a powerful effect on us. It was Jim’s very free, Tom Stathes:Cartoons on Film
metamorphisizing style – which at the time was a revelation and led to a new way. The Ink & Paint Club
Q. We came to know you through your early animation work which was all very non-linear. Conversations on Ghibli
filmically but linear graphically. MIRROR PEOPLE, MOVERS, THE DOODLERS and particularly Elliot Cowan's Blog
PENCIL BOOKLINGS all had a large impact on the Independent movement of the late 70s
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early 80s. Can you speak a bit of this period in your work?
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The wonderful input
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of Jules led me to
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Initially, when I first entered Cal Arts, I was sure I did not want to work with narrative, and I Sandro Cleuzo
said so to Jules, who was very amenable. I also missed the experience of dancing, and the
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music associated with it, especially rhythms. (I am currently studying Japanese Taiko
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drumming).
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I think both the dance and rhythmical influences are strongly apparent in these Cal Arts
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pieces.
With PENCIL BOOKLINGS, I was moving in the circle of New York animators and I think Mark Kennedy
although the storyboard was designed pretty early on, I was influenced somewhat by these Disney Nostalgia
associations, especially George Griffin’s TRICKFILM.
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Q. PENCIL BOOKLINGS was voted one of the 10 Best Films in the world by the Hiroshima Intl AnimalFarmWorld
Animation Festival in 1976. You seemed to have reached the top with this animated form and
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you moved on to the dance/movement videos. Your 1983 film, PRIMITIVE MOVERS, included
your dancing with a group of animated dancers, very much in your linear style. Can you Ace and Son
speak about what caused your big change - incorporating yourself into the videos. More Mosaics and Stuff
PENCIL BOOKLINGS was definitely an apex for me, and also left me at a decisive point. After Animatsiya In English
I completed it, my father had passed away, and I had taught as a Visiting Lecturer at
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Harvard for a year, and I was working for R.O. Blechman on his Soldier’s Tale. I knew
only that I didn’t want to return to what I had done, and I was feeling a strong pull to be
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performing again. But I had never performed solo, and was somewhat lost at what direction
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to take.
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At that point, two things
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happened. I was living in
Tribeca, and one weekend I Irv Spector
decided I would just wander Al Eugster
in Soho and see where it led
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me. I ended up at the
Bleecker St. Cinema where Jan Svochak
there was a Marilyn Monroe John Canemaker
double bill. This told me I
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wanted to perform again.
(Ironically the first film I Koji Yamamura
remember being taken to as Errol Le Cain
a child was ”Some Like it
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Hot”)
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At the same time I received
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an NEA grant to make an animated film. I decided to mix the two, make an animated film I
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would dance with. Jules had actually told me almost 10 years before that he could see me
dancing with my films. At the time I thought he was crazy, but it demonstrates his intuition. Other links:
R.O. Blechman also was very encouraging about the idea of combining these. I began taking
dance classes again, and ended up studying African dance (for 5 years actually). I was very Alltop
interested in the Diaghilev productions and his work with set designers for ballet, and in
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particular the costume designs of Sonia Delauney. In addition, Bob Blechman took the whole
studio to see Abel Gance’s Napolean, which was being shown at Radio City Music Hall with a Milt Gray Comic Strip
live orchestra – the score by Carmine Coppola. This production was absolutely amazing to Drawn
me, the effect of the live music on the film made it a dimensional experience, and this was a
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pivotal moment for me.
I also found seeing Barbara Morgan’s photos of Martha Graham’s PRIMITIVE MYSTERIES Children's Illustration
clicked for me. Until then I hadn’t really connected with what choreography meant to me. Jim Hill Media
But seeing the stunning, visual, and symbolic group formations in this piece, showed me that
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dance could be graphic, and this was something I could connect with.
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I took a year to produce the animation, and mapped out choregraphy as I drew. Originally I
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thought I was making a 10-15 minute piece, but it turned out to be 30 minutes. I had a
wonderful animation student as an intern – Monica Kendall from Chicago – who worked Mike Lynch Cartoons
with me every day. At this time I was also introduced to Mary Bright who I interviewed to Strippers Guide
design the costume. I knew as soon as I met her at the door, that she was the one. She
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wore a very big circle earring on only one ear, and that told me everything I needed to know
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The first performance of PRIMITIVE MOVERS was for a private audience, and it was the most Action Analysis (22)
frightening thing I’d ever done. After many performances, I developed my self-confidence
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and it totally altered me over time.
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Q. In PENCIL BOOKLINGS your interplay with your characters came by animating yourself as
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a character in the film. In PRIMITIVE MOVERS the animated characters and shapes move into
your live performance with you as the prime character. Was this part of the goal of the Articles on Animation (171)
change in direction, or was it part of the result of the change in direction? Bill Peckmann (269)
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Basically, the live
performance of any artist, Puppet Animation (34)
has an entirely different repeated posts (62)
sense of time from a film or
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video. In the live event, we
are more prepared to wait Rowland B. Wilson (47)
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Walther Giger in Zurich composed some really great music for me – I used one piece for October 2011 (31)
my performance KABUKIMENKO, and a scene from it for a later video of the same name. I September 2011 (30)
was studying flamenco and he has worked with Spanish guitar so it was a great fit.
August 2011 (31)
Toshi Makaihara created sound for KLEOPAT’RA, and I was permanently affected by that July 2011 (31)
creative experience. It drew me into the idea of pure sound, and since then I have made
June 2011 (30)
most of my tracks using sound from objects, instruments I recorded myself.
Toshi has come to my classes at The University of the Arts, where I have taught a number of May 2011 (31)
courses, most lengthily Image and Performance, an interdisciplinary workshop. He completed April 2011 (30)
charmed the class by playing every object in the roon.
March 2011 (31)
Q. The lively and strong video SYNCOPATIONS has you dancing about projected mirror February 2011 (28)
images of yourself. All the while images are projected onto yourself. The costumes are so January 2011 (31)
vivid that it leads one to believe that the video is making a statement about fashion. I watch
December 2010 (31)
the very dark shadow of the live you falling onto the screen images of yourself and noticing
the strong blacks against the strong luminescent white of your live gown. It’s a stirring video. November 2010 (31)
Any comments about this piece? October 2010 (31)
The integration of the costume with the film projections (it was film then) was very carefully September 2010 (30)
planned. The use of white and black (which is even more important in earlier scenes of this August 2010 (31)
50 minute piece) were absolutely key to the designing.. I worked with several dancers,
July 2010 (31)
having them come to my loft every week, and prepared choreography for them based on a
rough storyboard I had made. Sometimes I shot a film test of their movements. There were June 2010 (30)
seven scenes of which only two are seen on line currently. When I felt the choreography for May 2010 (31)
a section was working, I shot Polaroids (this was 1985-7) and created a storyboard from
April 2010 (30)
those, which I was able to use for the dancers, and cameraman at the final shoot. We had
several shoots, over a year or two. March 2010 (31)
February 2010 (30)
My assistant cameraman, Roger Grange was extremely helpful and competent and I worked
January 2010 (32)
with him in subsequent years, especially on KLEOPAT’RA.
December 2009 (31)
When the film was completed of the dancers, I rehearsed, using a mirror, and choreographed
November 2009 (30)
my movements for the live on stage component. The piece was meant to convey the whole
idea of syncopations, rhythms, both our generic idea of speed in rhythms, but also of the October 2009 (31)
hidden and inner rhythmical universal pulse beyond the obvious. It was about visual rhythm September 2009 (30)
in the form of patterns too, in addition to the aural interpretation.
August 2009 (31)
I was very influenced by some early modern dance, espedially in Germany – a number of
those dancers had used scarves for interpretative dancing. July 2009 (31)
June 2009 (30)
The premiere was in Santa Fe, at the Contemporary Art Center. I traveled with a simple
costume case into which all the costumes went, including the hoop. People were amazed May 2009 (31)
after the shows when I would return this entire magical illusion into a simple 3’’x3’ case. April 2009 (30)
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And I should also mention that all during the time I was doing these performances, from March 2009 (31)
1983, no-one had really seen anything like this before. Later, when I was teaching I February 2009 (28)
discovered a wonderful piece by Robert Whitman called Prune Flat (1965), which was closest
January 2009 (31)
to what I had done.
December 2008 (31)
But my use of animation, and then live action in this very precise way with the live
performer, explored so thoroughly was a very exotic bird, and I had a lot of press with this November 2008 (30)
work. October 2008 (31)
Q. In QUEEN OF THE FLUIDS it would seem that an Oriental goddess gives birth to September 2008 (30)
liquid/smoky characters that float about you. At one point you make yourself the screen as August 2008 (29)
black tears run down your face while liquid characters dance around your head. The imagery
July 2008 (29)
is beautiful and the non-linear story (though I’ve only seen the short excerpts on our site) is
deep. Can you speak of this film and the impetus behind it. June 2008 (30)
May 2008 (31)
QUEEN OF THE FLUIDS
(2003) , which was done April 2008 (31)
with a Guggenheim March 2008 (31)
Fellowship in Performance
February 2008 (29)
Art, was a chance to create
a video using elements and January 2008 (31)
March 2006 (16)
This video represents a culiminating point in my performance generated imagery, and my
first single channel video. February 2006 (30)
This piece is also influenced by such sources as the Futurist painter Boccioni’s “states of January 2006 (34)
mind” drawings, bunjin-ga - the symbolic landscapes of Japanese art, and a fascination with
December 2005 (32)
puppetry and dolls.
I should also mention re your observation about cgi, that there is something about the reality
of the actual projection (it was film) on the face, with the dripping eye scenes that makes it
more magical. We were not doing it digitally, but in reality – the body was collaborating with
the projection, and this makes it more “unbelievable”. One shot actually took 2 years click for free hit counter
because everytime we tried it, the two would not work together.
Q. Once again, in THE CATHEDRAL OF EMPTINESS, you turn to the oriental art playing off
Bunraku puppets with the hand itself acting as a host of puppets moving around the screen.
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You perform wearing the beautiful white mask. It’s a strong film that clearly shows your love
of the medium. Could you give us a few details about the creation of this piece?
Q. You’ve obviously moved away from the characters in your films and have shifted to
shapes, effects, textures and lighting. This is an interesting evolution and wonder if you’d
care to comment?
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I also spent some time away from animation in the early 1990’s, working with only
choregraphy and lighting design. The daunting precision of working with projections got to
me and I needed a rest. I returned from this by doing Oriental Interplay.
I expect to continue to make videos, and performances. It is not really possible to predict
what they will be, as the work changes by itself, and I follow it.
However I am also finding I am interested in creating projection design for other directors for
theatrical, and dance productions, as well as for architect/designers.
I have also created some really beautiful installation pieces, and carrying out work like this,
or projection design for architecture would make me very happy, because then I can see the
work myself and enjoy the dimensionality.
Q. I know your website offers dates of your upcoming performances. Do you have any
specific performances upcoming that you’d like to note? Do you find that booking
performances is easier/harder/just different to navigate than the early days of sending out
films to festivals?
Booking performances was always a lot of work – I had an agent in Europe for a while who
got me a lot of work there, and I moved to Zurich for a while. I do find it is much more
difficult now, largely because the economy is so bad. I performed for museums, film and
dance festivals, universities, etc. (Performed for the Hiroshima Aniimation Festival, Cardiff
Animation Festival, etc.)
I have kept up performances, and have exhibited my videos extensively in dance video
festivals – which seem to be very open to a liberal interpretation of movement in media.
Of course the wonderful thing now is you can promote what you do easily. I used to cart
around giant film cans for performances, and vhs tapes, even dvds would pile up as demo
samples. Now we can send flyers in a paperless environment, and with one click, send
people to websites with video clips.
Q. Do you have any thoughts about the current state of animation you’d like to share?
The web is really amazing because you can see all kinds of really unusual work. This is very
good for animation, and really any kind of expressive video-making. I find when I teach,
more and more, I show my classes things from the web, and they show me work also.
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I think the whole thing has resulted in a very creative, positive exchange. It is probably very
healthy and nourishing for artists of all genres. And probably there is less of a categorization
– on sites like vimeo you can see any kind of really progressive interesting work, some
animation, or film graphics, or installation related projection. It is a challenge to us all, but is
a positive environment.
Early animation
“Syncopations” excerpt
Wonderful interview. I’m glad to catch up on what Kathy Rose has been doing. I have
never had an opportunity to see one of her live animation/dance performances , but the
clips are fascinating. This is what keeps me coming back to your blog every day: one day
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we get screen shots and analysis of classic-era Disney studio Multiplane shots in
Pinocchio , the next day an interview with independent animator/performance artist
Kathy Rose. Variety the spice of life. (and inspiration for the artist).
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