ETABS RC column design doubt

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sushant_goel Posted: Tue May 10, 2011 5:46 pm Post subject: ETABS RC column
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I am designing a 40 storey RC office building. I am basically doing

detailed design of columns.
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If i dont design the shear wall but only define and assign it, will it make
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a difference/will it have any effect on columns??

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Abishek_Siingh Posted: Wed May 11, 2011 5:01 am Post subject:

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I think you are pretty new to ETABS. Doesn't matter, just keep on
working on it, it's a tough nut to crack.

Now to your question, No it will not have any effect. Do remember that
you have to assign pier labels to all walls to get their output. If not,
then ETABS will just take the geometric property of the walls and
proceed with the analysis and not give you the percentage steel of the
walls. Whatever element has been given the pier label , shall be
designed.

You have to assign pier labels to every column for their steel output.
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sushant_goel Posted: Wed May 11, 2011 5:55 am Post subject:

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yes sir. i am new to etabs. thanks for your guidance!

in your last statement, you meant to say "You have to assign pier labels
Joined: 15 Sep 2010 to every 'shear wall' for their steel output."?
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Also, i have already defined pier labels for shear wall and spandrels for
portion of wall above any opening.

Kumar_Abhishek_Singh wrote:
I think you are pretty new to ETABS. Doesn't matter, just keep on
working on it, it's a tough nut to crack.
 Now to your question, No it will not have any effect. Do remember
that you have to assign pier labels to all walls to get their output.
If not, then ETABS will just take the geometric property of the
walls and proceed with the analysis and not give you the
percentage steel of the walls. Whatever element has been given
the pier label , shall be designed.

You have to assign pier labels to every column for their steel
output.

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Abishek_Siingh Posted: Wed May 11, 2011 5:57 am Post subject:

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whichever column/shear wall has a pier label, the steel percentage will
be generated.
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sushant_goel Posted: Wed May 11, 2011 7:00 am Post subject:

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Sir
I havent defined the columns in my building as piers anywhere. Still,
when i design, i get the steel %age. I have never defined columns as
Joined: 15 Sep 2010 piers in ETABS. Is it necessary?
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Also, yesterday u told me to put all other dead loads except self weight
under superloads. I did the same but didnt include it in load
combinations(45 nos.) defined earlier. Now, i have to modify each load
combination separately in every file. Is there a way to import load
combinations from another file in ETABS?

Kumar_Abhishek_Singh wrote:
whichever column/shear wall has a pier label, the steel percentage
will be generated.

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Abishek_Siingh Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 3:17 am Post subject:
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To your first question: I had assumed that since it is 40 storey

building as you mentioned, all columns and shear walls would have
been modelled as plate elements and that's why i said that "whichever
column/shearwall is given pier assignment, reinforcement will be
generated for them". If you have modelled columns as line elements
then the assignment of piers does not apply to them.

To your second question:

In the load combinations, the Dead load is included by default (if you
have imported load combinations from IS 456 or IS 1893 through the
etabs). If you see the details of the load combinations then you will find
Joined: 18 Nov 2010 that DL has been included with a factor of 1 or1.2 or 0.9 or 1.5 as the
Posts: 609 case maybe. DL is only for selfweight in etabs. other loads such as floor
Location: New Delhi finishing, tremix flooring, partition walss have to be given separate load
cases and the factors of 1, 1.5, 0.9,1.2 have to be applied to them as
well depending upon the load cases. All in all, you do not have to
modify the load combinations if you have imported them from IS codes
by Define--Load combinations--add default combos (something like
that, I do not have etabs program opened in front of me right now)

hope this helps...

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sushant_goel Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 5:17 am Post subject:

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Sir
I defined all my load combinations (45 in no.) manually. but next time i
will use this 'import from IS code' option.
Joined: 15 Sep 2010 Thanks for all the info!
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Sushant Goel
Kumar_Abhishek_Singh wrote:
To your first question: I had assumed that since it is 40 storey
building as you mentioned, all columns and shear walls would have
been modelled as plate elements and that's why i said that
"whichever column/shearwall is given pier assignment,
reinforcement will be generated for them". If you have modelled
columns as line elements then the assignment of piers does not
apply to them.

To your second question:

In the load combinations, the Dead load is included by default (if

you have imported load combinations from IS 456 or IS 1893
through the etabs). If you see the details of the load combinations
then you will find that DL has been included with a factor of 1
or1.2 or 0.9 or 1.5 as the case maybe. DL is only for selfweight in
etabs. other loads such as floor finishing, tremix flooring, partition
walss have to be given separate load cases and the factors of 1,
1.5, 0.9,1.2 have to be applied to them as well depending upon
the load cases. All in all, you do not have to modify the load
combinations if you have imported them from IS codes by Define--
Load combinations--add default combos (something like that, I do
not have etabs program opened in front of me right now)

hope this helps...