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www.mesora.org/openletter/openletter2.html philosophy. First, prove to me God Question: On your website you post a Ach'av would be there, and would curse
exists. Forget the veracity of specific number of very worthy shittos from the Hashem), but Hashem persuaded him
religions for now, just prove there is a Rishonim and other baalei mesorah by telling him that whatever curse he
Knowledge
God. concerning the impossibility of man uttered, He would fulfill.
Mesora: The world accepts the fact having "powers" in the supernatural Now, simply taking this story at face
and Belief
that there was an event, at which over 2 domain. While I realize that we must value, do we not get the impression that
million Jews witnessed supernatural follow the Rambam, and his son Rav Elijah was given CONTROL of the
rabbi israel chait feats, and at which an Intelligence Avraham, in understanding midrashim elements. Even though this power
delivered a system of ideas to them. and aggados which are contrary to logic originated with G-d, still, wasn't it his
This intelligence spoke from amidst a and rationalism in a homiletical or non- own power? A response is greatly
We have shown in our last article fiery mountain, communicated laws, literal way, still, I would pose the desired.
that the notion of religious faith is not and claimed responsibility for the 10 following question: Mesora: It cannot be Eliyahu's own
Biblical, that is, it is not found in the plagues visited upon the Egyptians, the In Melachim Aleph, Eliyahu stands powers for good reason: The world
Jewish Bible the Torah. It is Christian, exodus therefrom, and many miracles before Ach'av and utters a curse against was working under the created laws
and on a larger scale belongs to the which none present then denied their the Northern Kingdom: "There will be prior to Eliyahu's birth. So 'Someone'
pagan, primitive, and idolatrous modes miraculous nature. The very same no rain in the days to come, except other than Eliyahu is responsible for
of worship which the Torah proscribes people, the Israelites, who saw these through my word (ki im lefi devari)." their operation and aberration - God. So
and abhors. The Torah demands miraculous plagues in Egypt and who The Gemara in Sanhedrin records an if it is God, it is not Eliyahu or any other
knowledge not faith. Verses such as, were spared the suffering of those unwritten account to the juxstaposition being. Additionally I would ask, "Can a
"You have been shown so that you miraculous plagues, now attested to a of Eliyahu's curse with the previous chair created by a carpenter control the
may know that the Lord, He is God; miraculous event at Mt. Sinai. They all episode of the fulfillment of Joshua's carpenter? Did not the carpenter give
there is none other besides Him (Deut. admitted to hearing a voice delivering curse of the man who builds up Yericho existence to the chair, thereby showing
4:35)," and, "And you shall know this commands, a voice which they felt if (his firstborn and youngest will die -- as clearly that the chair is the controlled,
day and return (those ideas) to your listened to would kill them. They happened to Chiel). Basically, Eliyahu's not the controller?" So too is the case
heart that the Lord, He is God... admitted to seeing the mountain curse is in response to Ach'av's with Elisha and God.
(ibid:39)" make this clear. When burning with fire, a feat not capable of allegation that Moshe's curse of Tosfos in Niddah 16b says that a few
Moses appointed the leaders of Israel being duplicated by man. They "Ve'atzar es hashamayim v'lo yihhye keys are in God's hands, but are handed
he stated, "Get yourselves men of admitted to hearing this voice emanate mattar," did not come to pass, while over to a messenger temporarily, for the
knowledge and depth of understanding from the fire, an impossibility for any Joshua's did -- thus, Elijah fulfilled the need of the hour; the key of life, the key
who are known (as such) to your biological creature to perform - an curse. How was he able to? Well, of rain and that of resurrection, as
tribes... (ibid. 1:13)." Moses did not Intelligence unaffected by the laws of earlier, the Gemara stated that Elijah did witnessed in Elisha. What does this
request "men of great piety and nature. not want to go comfort Chiel (since Tosfos mean?
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The Torah's 12 people to go along with my story, I'd still story would not have survived the scrutiny of answer your question?
Veracity go unbelieved, since my story said there were
millions present.
that generation, and the story would have
died there and then. But this didn't happen,
John: Well, I obviously can study it or I
can just continue my life as I have been
(continued from page 1) John: So if any story is unanimously teaching us with certain proof that they all living.
The Jews and Moses attested to the fact accepted it must be true? What about Jesus agreed that what Moses said was what they Mesora: But you already admit that God
that they received wisdom from He who his walking on water, or healing the sick? actually witnessed. The story teaches us that gave the Torah as a means for man's ultimate
the controller of the laws of nature, the same Millions of Christians believe that to be true!? Judaism is built on proof alone. The only role happiness. Why not investigate it for
being which performed the Egyptian exodus. Mesora: You must distinguish between faith plays in Judaism is that God will fulfill yourself?
No one then denied what they claimed their Sinai and all historical events, and from His words written therein. But in terms of John: Honestly, I've tried it, but its not
own eyes saw. belief. Christianity does not proclaim that acknowledging God's existence, and the enjoyable.
Today, the Jews, and many other nations there were masses witnessing Jesus walking veracity of the event of Sinai, we have Mesora: It may take a some time to reach a
admit that from this event we have on water, healing the sick, or any other claim. demonstrated by proof that it is historically level of enjoyment - you may not see it as
demonstrative proof of an Intelligence which They state that you must believe. So you true. pleasurable at first. This is only because your
controls the laws of the world. We call this either believe or not. But masses believing energies are used to physical pleasures, and
Intelligence God. Even scientists have come something is no proof to that belief. Masses Part II - Reasoning for Following the the pain you will perceive is not because
to the realization from the careful study of also believe in UFOs. Sinai however is Torah's Ideals learning is painful, but because the extraction
heavenly phenomena and laws, that there is a based on historical evidence, not belief. It is John: Now that you've proven that God from any area is enjoined with some
wise Designer of the universe. The heavens based on the exact same principles of proof gave the Torah, what proof do you have that frustration. When energies have to be
and all created matter did not create itself, which any historical account uses. It is it makes sense for me to follow it? withdrawn from an area which one is
hence, something external to the physical, impossible that a false story would be Mesora: There are a few forms of accustomed to, until they find a new outlet,
created world caused our world's existence, accepted unless it is bereft of witnesses and reasoning which we can apply here. One one experiences frustration. This is a very
and with such perfectly designed laws which claims simple belief. If however a story is in would be from your own experience, the important idea. One must not accuse learning
govern it and actually sustain its integrity. our possession claiming mass witnesses, it other would be an integral demonstration of of being painful. He must identify the pain as
John: Well maybe they made up the story, must be true, and certainly if it claimed how the Torah is of benefit. merely the "getting used to" portion of
or didn't grasp what really happened, and miracles as a component of that story. In your own life, you entrust yourself to learning. Additionally, when compared to
misconstrued the whole event..... John: OK, so Sinai was true. It happened. doctors for prescriptions and surgeries, is that other more popular instant gratifying types of
Mesora: Bottom line,....if any historically But I'm not clear on the others, what about all correct? activities, one may identify learning as
accepted account has as part of that story those other religions, I mean, they have John: Yes, who better, they understand the painful, but if one has patience, and applies
masses witnessing intelligible phenomena, millions more followers than the Jews? body better than anyone else. himself, he will come to see the pursuit of
the story must be true. You couldn't get them Mesora: Yes. But their story does not claim Mesora: Right. So you entrust your very knowledge as incomparable to any other act.
to lie unanimously, that's just not human masses of witnesses. They purport there were life to those who you feel know the body Once you begin to excel in learning, you
nature for all the people there to have a some witnesses, but conspiracy is possible best. Using this same reasoning, if God will not experience the frustration any longer,
common motive. You also won't have with small numbers. Keep in mind, they have designed the body, the mind and psyche of but you will be occupied with pondering very
misinterpretation of what they saw and heard, millions of followers, but not millions of man, you would most certainly have to agree interesting areas. The involvement in the
provided it was understandable to an average witnesses. They don't even have dozens of to follow His advice, as He didn't merely ideas will be something you will enjoy on a
intelligence. With this precise reasoning you witnesses! study the human species as a doctor does, but regular basis. The never-ending search for
would attest that Caesar was emperor of John: So again, tell me how do they have God surpasses any doctor's knowledge, as wisdom was the pursuit of the wisest men.
Rome. I'm sure you don't deny that, right? millions of followers.... God created man. The Creator having more They labored in their studies joyfully, and
John: Of course Caesar was the Roman Mesora: Because of two factors, 1) they knowledge than the student. without end. Read any biography on Einstein,
emperor. Who could deny that? That's in all offer people who follow their notions a John: I can't argue. Freud, the Rabbis, and you will find that their
our history books, everyone knows that! feeling of emotional satisfaction. Some Mesora: Now, this God gave us the Torah interest was solely for learning. They were
Mesora: Then the event at Sinai, where absolve you of all sin if you believe, a very as a prescription for the best life we can have. bothered by problems, and searched for
over 2,000,000 Jews witnessed God giving strong attraction, and some offer eternal bliss We therefore see it as absurd not to follow answers many times without sleep. Why such
the Torah must also be true, based on your if you believe. Secondly, they base their what the One who designed us said would a life of devotion? Because they enjoyed
own reasoning. It's in all the bibles of the religions on belief. No proof is required. make us happiest. He knows best. thinking into ideas. It satisfied their beings
world. Even non Jews attest to its validity. Belief is something anyone can have, even a John: Again, sound reasoning. But what if with an intensity unmatched by any other
The reason you might have a problem fool. So masses of unlearned people can flock I find some idea in the Torah that my mind pursuit. They lived in line with the true nature
accepting Sinai, but no problem accepting to following these religions. None offer proof tells me makes no sense, do I simply follow of man. This 'being in line with your nature' is
Caesar, is that Sinai will obligate you in of their religion's validity, it's all based on it, and go against my mind? happiness, and proves that it is a good. The
following the Torah's numerous commands. faith. Mesora: That's a good question. The involvement of the Rabbis in Torah study
Believing in Caesar has no affect on your So those religions have two factors, 1) An answer would be no. I say this as God gave proves that Torah is a good system, to answer
daily life. open door for any person to partake, since no us a mind through which we are to arrive at your question. And, as man's essential nature
John: Yeah, maybe. But why can't the proof is required, and 2) a motive for decisions which guide our lives. He therefore is not the physical, but the intellectual, these
story be made up by Moses then? everyone to follow, as they offer grand designed us in a way to make decisions based men were essentially happy. Men however,
Mesora: If it was, don't you think the Jews 'rewards' for believers. on rational thinking. Just as we wouldn't who follow their accidental natures, the
back at his time would have said he was John: But you're saying Judaism doesn't inject ourselves with poison, we should not physical desires, will only be accidentally and
falsifying history? They wouldn't have require faith? do any other act which we view as going temporarily happy. They will never
accepted him. I mean, Moses would have to Mesora: That is correct. against our benefit. But if God gave us the experience true essential happiness.
had convinced millions of people that they Now that we have proved that the event at Torah with the goal of it being for our good, My suggestion for you is to keep in mind
were all at an event which never occurred! Sinai could not have been fabricated, we do you think you will find anything in it to what you have just learned, that is the proof
There's no way the people would have apply this very same scientific argument to our detriment? that God gave the Torah to man, a system
accepted him, made him a leader, and the rest of the Torah. Had the people denied John: I don't know, I haven't studied it yet. through which one can have the most
unanimously followed him. That would be witnessing anything, Sinai would not have I'm just asking. I hear what you are saying, beneficial and pleasant life. The system was
similar to me saying I was on the George been circulated as truth, and it would not have but I only know that God gave the Torah. I designed by the same Being Who designed
Washington Bridge at rush hour, and the been passed down through the generations as have no concept whether it is a good system man. He therefore knows best what man
traffic was stopped, and said some spaceship historically accurate. However, we find in the or not. should occupy his time with.
descended and gave me some scroll in front Torah many passages where Moses urged the Mesora: So you feel that God could have Give yourself a little time, locate a trained
of millions of spectators. Do you think one people to remember what their eyes saw given a bad system? teacher, and set up regular intervals during
person would believe me if I couldn't produce (Exodus 19:4, Deuteronomy 4:3,9,34,35, and John: It could be. each day to study with him. Let's talk more
those eyewitnesses? Even if I could get 10 or 36. ). Had they not seen the event, Moses's Mesora: So what do you propose to do to soon.
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Miracles?
provide a model for Olam Haba. carefully at their own character, see
they "know better" when it concerns
However it need not mean that Olam what is faulty and ask for help to
their own personality. So, one
Haba id identical to Gan Eden in every change these faults. By doing this
instantly rationalizes his/her faults
particular. In Olam Haba the structure of we are involved in our own
and immediately legitimizes them.
his soul will be such that he will not be perfection, which begins when a
rabbi moshe ben-chaim After all, "This is who I am. This is
subject to a desire for evil even person recognizes their flaws and
part of my personality!" And
regarding those things which are (continued from page 1) starts to make small changes in their
because of this faulty thinking he/she
external. His energies will be such that Notice that it calls the person who personality. Wouldn't a person want
cannot be objective. So a trap is set
his love of truth will always be superior receives these keys a "messenger". This to break free from being imprisoned
for him/herself by him/herself. Yet
to any physical desire. In general this means that God's will is for the miracle by his/her character faults? "Oh, I
even at this point a person will not
was the state of Adam in Gan Eden, and to occur even before man wills it, and can't change - I've been this way all
seek an outside authority.
the Ramban refers to this only by way man is merely a messenger. God only my life." Not according to the
The Rambam says: "A person who
of analogy. incorporates a person into His plans and Rambam. "A man should not say his
purposely does not seek a wise and
In summation: Adam's natural he acts as a messenger. This teaches us a shortcomings and flaws are already
trustworthy authority is itself a moral
energies were in line with the good but very important idea, that if God does not ingrained in his personality."
fault." In this context "purposely"
he had within him the potential for an will the miracle to occur, man cannot Wouldn't a person want to use the
means free choice. "Cannot obtain
emotional attraction which would be override God. greatest asset given to a human being
his own release" is one who does not
powerful enough to overcome his This also teaches that God is only - free choice - to make the right
seek. He/she cannot obtain release
reason. Thus Adam can be summarized allowing man to indicate when such laws changes in their personality, and be
due to his/her choice not to. Judaism
as a natural state of good with will be suspended. Man cannot cause it. truly involved in perfection and
says that one does have free choice
possibility of sin( ie. if external stimulus Why does God do so? Perhaps to service of God?
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Moses taught the Jews upon their initial chooses the right school, which doctor to for our own benefit.
conquest of Israel that if one chooses a path accept treatment from, and what business To believe we have rights to Israel, with no
devoid of Torah, it results in a poverty stricken decisions to make. obligation to follow the Torah, is a clear
life. This was exemplified by Mt. Ayval's Unfortunately, people are not rational when contradiction.
barren state. If one chooses a Torah lifestyle, it it comes to selecting an ideology. Observant Just as we make decisions in other areas,
results in all forms of wealth, as in Mt. Jews follow Torah either by understanding the using analytic and objective criteria, let us
Grizim's lush quality. Two goats are to be proofs of God's existence, or without proofs. decide rationally regarding Torah observance.
offered in the Temple each Yom Kippur. A But not a single non-observant Jew has done The Torah suggests a lifestyle that is most
Rabbi once explained that these goats the same. Each Jew owes it to him and herself enjoyable and beneficial to man. A lifestyle
represented two opposing lifestyles: One can to determine whether or not God exists, and that Moses and King Solomon chose for
follow a life dedicated to God, as one goat was whether He gave us Israel and the Torah. If we themselves.
slaughtered to His name, or a life devoid of prove that God does exist, then we know he Through thought and understanding they
God, destined to fatality. This was displayed gave us Israel. We can now determine through transmitted to Jews at that time the knowledge
by the scapegoat lead through a desert to its His prophets' teachings how to live and to keep they wanted future generations to know.
certain death over the cliffs of Azazel. our land, and deal with our enemies. Wouldn't you like to actually KNOW whether
Observant Jews view Israel as the land given Mordechai and Esther did not succumb, our Torah is authentic? You owe it to yourself
to us by God - a haven secure to following His they followed the Torah even in the face of to finally prove it.
laws. To the observant Jew, God is essential to great danger. On Purim, God saved Mordechai, If one believes in God and desires the land
our land's objective. God created the Earth and Esther, and the entire Jewish nation because He promised exclusively by the words of the
gave us Israel. The existence of the world and they followed God's Torah ideals. We must do Torah, it is truly a contradiction to ignore His
following the Torah are both God's will. There the same. commands. Resolve your contradiction.
is no separation of temple and state. Mesora.org suggests that you who have Why is there so much tragedy today? God
The non-observant Jew sees Israel purely as learned the proofs of God's existence begin determines the fate of the Jewish nation based
nationalistic, similar to any people's land. God teaching this knowledge to any Jew who does on our adherence to Torah. If we abandon
is not essential, as all decisions concerning the not know these proofs. Give another Jew the Him, He abandons us. The Jewish people do
state are decided politically. opportunity to explore the tenets of Judaism. not deserve God's land and His
Both positions cannot be correct. We are responsible for one another. protection,...unless they follow God's Torah.
Just as Moses taught the example of two If you are non-observant, ask yourself one We do not rely on God's intervention alone,
mountains, and as the priests taught with the question: "Am I following what is true or what but in the intelligent combination of action,
two goats, now is the time to teach our people is false? Does God exist or not?" If this prayer, and Torah adherence as exemplified by
what path to select and why. The "why" is question does not matter to you, there's nothing Jacob when he was hunted by his twin brother.
what is missing. The Torah did not see fit to more to be said. If however, you honestly seek Today, we are missing the third.
institute an annual commandment to take place answers to these question, read on. "Israel, you will not retain God's land
on these two mountain tops, our choice to The contradiction any non-observant, without God."
follow any command must be based on an Zionistic Jew must face is: "Why do I desire Prove to yourselves the truth, God exists,
analysis of fact. Israel as my land?" God gave the Torah for our benefit. Study and
In all areas of life, regardless if we are What makes us a nation? Our history is keep the Torah. Country of Israel, trust God.
observant or not, we act as rational as possible accurate, we received the land and our Run the country according to Torah laws. God
and make decisions based on reason and proof. nationhood from God who communicated with is a better advisor than any human ruler. God
Isn't this true? Isn't this why a person carefully Abraham. This same God gave us the Torah alone will decide our outcome.
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