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Posted by BALAJI BHAVANANDHI on July 15, 2014 at 5:42pm in Krishna
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Om Namo Narayanaya Namaha!
Dear All,
I am a devotee of Lord Vishnu from my birth. I had learnt and heard a lot of things about Lord Vishnu from my birth
through My mother,relatives,friends and books.
As per them, Lord Vishnu was taken 9 avatars as of now. And one of the Avatar is Lord Krishna. After hearing this, I
started having great faith and devotion on all the avatars of Lord Vishnu by seeing him as one.
But when I came to know about ISKCON, the mahamantra starts with Hare Krishna and after that Hare Rama is
coming. But as per my knowledge so far i heard that, Krishna Avatar was taken after Rama Avatar. Then why the
mahamantra starts with Hare Krishna instead of Hare Rama. Why Rama is not coming first. Please clarify me on this.
I asked this same question to one Hare Krishna Devotee in ISKCON When I was visited the temple. He replied,
Krishna only came first and i am not convinced since the answer was not clear and he asked me to read Bhagavatam to
understand the same.
I thought this forum is the right place to ask this question. I believe you people will explain me and clarify this to me.
Hare Krishna Hare Krishna
Krishna Krishna Hare Hare!
Hare Rama Hare Rama
Rama Rama Hare Hare!
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Permalink Reply by gaurav chauhan on July 15, 2014 at 5:49pm
Dear prabhuji,
Hare Krishna mahamantra has got nothing to do with the order of the avatars coming.
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Permalink Reply by BALAJI BHAVANANDHI on July 19, 2014 at 1:24am
Dear Prabhuji,
First of all thanks a lot for responding my query.
You are right! I agree with you. But, I would like to clarify this, so what I had raised in the forum.
Hare Krishna Hare Rama!
Om Namo Narayanaya!
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Permalink Reply by Aravind S on July 15, 2014 at 9:10pm
Hare krishna balaji prabhuji,
This pdf file will be more useful for you
Attachments:
hari_nama_maha_mantra_2001_2ed.pdf, 276 KB
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Permalink Reply by BALAJI BHAVANANDHI on July 19, 2014 at 1:26am
Dear Prabhuji,
Thank you so much for sharing this file.
Hare Krishna Hare Rama!
Om Namo Narayanaya!
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Permalink Reply by Karthick J.R on July 15, 2014 at 10:18pm
Hare Krishna Balaji,
All glories to Srila Prabhupada...
This is a very generic question and have been answered many times in the same forum. So you can use the
search option in the forum to find more answers, I am just sharing one link for your reference.
http://www.iskcondesiretree.net/forum/topics/lordkrishnaisincarn...
Regarding Lord Rama appeared before Lord Krishna
It is not a correct understanding that Lord Rama appeared before Lord Krishna. According to the Mahabharata
(Santiparva 348.5152) Krishna spoke the Bhagavadgita to the sun god at the beginning of the Treta Yuga. The
sun god, Visvavan, spoke it to Manu, the father of mankind, and Manu in turn spoke it to Maharaja Iksvaku, the
forefather of the Raghu dynasty, in which Lord Ramachandra appeared. Therefore Lord Krishna appeared before
Lord Rama did.
Krishna confirms in the Bhagavadgita that He appears again and again whenever irreligion becomes
predominant. It is not that He comes only once.
Over and beyond these points, it is clearly stated in the Bhagavadgita, the Srimad Bhagavatam, and the Brahma
Samhita, that Krishna is the source of all other incarnations. Since Rama, therefore, is an incarnation of Krishna,
it is quite appropriate that we first chant Hare Krishna and then Hare Rama.
Please chant Hare Krishna and Be Happy :)
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Permalink Reply by BALAJI BHAVANANDHI on July 19, 2014 at 1:28am
Dear Prabhuji,
Thanks a lot for your detailed explanation.
Hare Krishna Hare Rama!
Om Namo Narayanaya!
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ECounselorPermalink Reply by Radha Rasamayi (Rashmi Khaitan) on July 16, 2014 at 9:37am
Hare Krsna Prabhuji,
PAMHO.
I think you may be aware that the chaturyuga cycle repeats 1000 times in one day of Brahma, ie. Satya, Dwapar,
Treta and Kali yugas are repeated 1000 times, in one day of Brahma and the same period is the duration of one
night of Brahma. The reason I am mentioning this is Rama and Krsna did not appear in the same chaturyuga. In
fact, there is a complete chaturyuga between Rama and Krsna's advent. Suppose, Rama came in the 44th
Chaturyuga, Krsna came in the 46th Chaturyuga. Only when Krsna appears, in that chaturyuga (of which we are
experiencing Kaliyuga right now), the order is Satya, Treta, Dwapar and Kali and not what I mentioned earlier.
There are a lot of deeper meanings to it I dont want to go into it right now.
To clarify your secific query, the mahamantra was originally beginning with Hare Rama only. When Sri
Chaitanya Mahaprabhu advented in this Kaliyuga, He reversed the mantra and told us to chant Hare Krsna first.
It doesnt matter prabhuji in a cycle what comes first now, comes second next and so on..... THe important thing
is to chant the mahamantra with concentration, hearing our own voice while chanting.
Regarding Krsna being the avatari and not the avatar, there is enough shastric evidence of the same. For now,
concentrate on chanting nicely. The rest can follow.
Haribol,
Your servant,
Rashmi
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Permalink Reply by Karthick J.R on July 16, 2014 at 11:41pm
Hare Krishna Rashmi Mataji..
Dandavat Pranam...
All glories to Srila Prabhupada...
You mentioned that the Mahamantra was originally beginning with Hare Rama and Chaitanya Mahaprabhu
reversed it.. Do you have any reference for it?
We have scriptural references for Hare Krishna Mahamantra(see below) and nowhere it is mentioned in Hare
Krishna Mahamantra in different order and Mahaprahu reversed it putting Krishna first, Rama next.
It appears that we are trying to invent something new here :(
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It is not offense to chant in the reverse order but one must put all his efforts to follow Guru, Sadhu and Sastra to
attain the mercy of Guru and Gauranga..
Scriptural references about Hare Krishna Mahamantra:
AnantaSaṁhitā:
hare kṛṣṇa hare kṛṣṇa kṛṣṇa kṛṣṇa hare hare
hare rāma hare rāma rāma rāma hare hare
ṣoḍaśaitāni nāmāni dvātrinśad varṇa kāni hi
kalau yuge mahāmantraḥ sammato jīva tāraṇe
"Hare kṛṣṇa hare kṛṣṇa kṛṣṇa kṛṣṇa hare hare hare rāma hare rāma rāma rāma hare hare.This harināma mahā
mantra consists of sixteen names and thirtytwo syllables. In Kaliyuga this mantra can deliver all jīvas."
Kalisantarana Upanishad:
"hare krishna hare krishna
krishna krishna hare hare
hare rama hare rama
rama rama hare hare
iti sodasakam namnam
kalikalmasanasanam
natah parataropayah
sarvavedesu drsyate
'After searching through all the Vedic literature, one cannot find a method of religion more sublime for this age
than the chanting of Hare Krishna.'”
More references can be provided upon request.
Your Aspiring Servant,
Karthick
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ECounselorPermalink Reply by Radha Rasamayi (Rashmi Khaitan) on July 17, 2014 at 10:46am
Hare Krsna Karthick prabhu,
PAMHO.
I must thank you for saying It appears that we are trying to invent something new here :(
Thats what made me do the research and come out with it so soon.
The reference is
THe Spiritual Scientist by HG Chaitanya Charan Das, Kalisantarana Upanishad
Posted by Chaitanya Charan das • May 16, 2012 •
Text 5 and Footnote 1. I tried to copy paste and send, its not going.
Pls see.
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Uptil now I did not know why Mahaprabhu reversed the mantra. Now I do.
Haribol,
Your servant,
Rashmi
Attachments:
Kalisantarana Upanishad _ The Spiritual Scientist.pdf, 196 KB
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Permalink Reply by Karthick J.R on July 17, 2014 at 10:21pm
Hare Krishna Rashmi Mataji..
Thanks for sharing the reference... I shall come to this PDF after a while... In the meanwhile, I would request
you to read the below post:
http://www.iskcondesiretree.net/forum/topics/whydoeskrishnacomes...
Your Aspiring Servant,
Karthick
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Permalink Reply by Manish chaturvedi on July 20, 2014 at 11:46am
SHRI HARI
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Permalink Reply by Manish chaturvedi on July 20, 2014 at 11:47am
DHANYABAAD MAATAJI !!
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