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Cortocircuitando una batería de litio para

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Andy, un colega del barrio, me dió esta batería de litio para
arrancar coches que no funcionaba para que la analizara.
Decidí ensayarla DE VERDAD.. También tuve un incidente
mientras no grababa, cuando las placas negativas de una
celda abierta de repente prendieron en llamas y humo. Puede
que reaccionaran por la alta carga de electrones, o que
simplemente reaccionaran con el aire. En realidad hay muy
poco litio en estas celdas, sólo una capa de óxido de litio. Si
te gustan estos vídeos puedes apoyar el canal con un dolar
para café, galletas y cosas para desmontar en:
http://www.bigclive.com/coffee.htm
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LimaVictorHace 2 años
Playing with lithium batteries: for when playing with fire just isn't
exciting enough anymore...
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Mijc OsisHace 2 años

step up to spitting kerosene into a flaming torch with the real
nutters :P
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Scooter GeorgeHace 1 año

@Mijc Osis Using starting fluid and a Bic lighter to kill flying
insects indoors.
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The Terrible AnimatorHace 10 meses

@Scooter George hey, i killed a fly with a bic lighter before. Used
way less flames than i wanted to though.
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Lazy DHace 9 meses

Boys will be boys, and men will be men. Also, Scots with huge
beards will short out lithium batteries on camera - because the world
needs a hero.
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Anthony VolkmanHace 3 meses

I love working with lithium batteries. Ooh and like shorting them
out!
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soundsparkHace 6 días
Dump the charge from a jump starter into a small alkaline battery
and fun will ensue.
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StarlightHace 2 años
"a few amps is still quite a lot of amps"
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Niko AndruloniHace 2 años

Is anyone collecting those lines of his yet?
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Dj PandupHace 2 años
SandyStarchild your avatar sums up my reaction when he said it
pretty accurately
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nightmare in actionHace 2 años

SandyStarchild I read this comment as he said it kind of like
subtitles
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George Sarcasm GodHace 2 años

to kill you, it only takes 1/2 amps to stop your heart
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nightmare in actionHace 2 años

George Sarcasm God it takes mutch less than that 38ma can do a lot
of damege but it also depends on the voltage
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santerö dickheadHace 2 años

George Sarcasm God a lot less is enought but you need high voltage
to get that high current throught your body :)))
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Dana GibbsHace 2 años

George Sarcasm God Anything over 2 amps will surely kill you
instantly
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lepayenHace 2 años
It depends on the person. Some people are less conductive than
others, some are more conductive, and some are very sensitive to
electricity. For some people, it takes as little as a 9v battery or even
a 1.5v battery.
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Dave MicolichekHace 2 años

Dana Gibbs given enough voltage...
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Kataclysm113Hace 2 años
how much voltage and current it takes to kill you depends on a lot of
things. your internal resistance alone depends on a lot of factors like
body fat, hydration, and even what you ate for breakfast. also
electricity going through your hand or your legs is a lot less likely to
kill you than an arc across your heart. voltage does matter, but
current and wattage is the real danger. at about 10 mA it starts to
hurt and if you're holding the wire in your hand, you're not going to
be able to let go. between 100-200 mA is where it's the most lethal,
cause it causes your heart to spasm randomly which causes a lot of
damage. higher than that though, and you're a lot more likely to
survive, because the shock causes your heart to stop entirely, which,
surprisingly, is much easier to recover from. also at that point you'll
probably launch yourself backwards which means the shock mostly
stops. not to say you probably wont need medical help, but it's much
less lethal. it is however much more likely to burn you because of
the higher wattage. also tthings are very different with DC power. if
that zaps you across the heart then it's less likely to kill you, cause it
doesnt cause muscle spasms, but it hurts a hell of a lot more. 180
volts AC at about 2.5-ish mA is a bit tingly, 180 volts DC at 2.5 mA
is mightily surprising, and powerful enough that it made my whole
hand go tingly when i zapped the tip of my finger.
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Y0UGUR7Hace 1 año
@George Sarcasm God 500mA is quite a lot, 50mA is enough too
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karzygijoseHace 1 año
George Sarcasm God okkk with 12v
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karzygijoseHace 1 año
Kataclysm113 I accidentally touched 120v that was supposed to be
dead. Well I felt a little tingle like unplugging a spark plug from a
lawnmower then the breaker popped
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aussiegruber86Hace 1 año
George Sarcasm God only 50mA will kill you
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John ToeHace 1 año

@Kataclysm113 Rather than try this myself, I'm gonna take your
word for it. Thanks.
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HVAC/R DetectiveHace 10 meses

@aussiegruber86 0.01 amps to kill you
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MelonPlayzYTHace 8 meses
A few volts is still a lot of volts
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KingsmanHace 4 meses
@George Sarcasm God"... 1/2 amp..." What a load of rubbish, it's
closer to 500 milliamps
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Da QoraxxxHace 3 meses
Voltage or current are no indicator to how lethal it is. Only both in
combination with exposure time (i.e. Coulomb). Also higher
frequencies are less harmful, since those can’t trigger muscle
movement (i.e. Cardiac arrest), but can leave severe burnmarks.
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KingsmanHace 3 meses
@Da Qoraxxx Not strictly true if you understand electronics all you
need to know is the voltage and if the internal resistance of that
supply is low impedance EG get a shock from a 12Kv neon
transformer which has a high internal Z and you know will jump
with a nasty tingle however get a shock from an over head power
line with a very low Z and it's highly likely that it will be the last
thing you ever do
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Da QoraxxxHace 3 meses
@Kingsman Yes, the impedance in combination with voltage or
current as given specs is enough information to make that
conclusion (i.e. Power), since ohm's law is composed of both current
and voltage (reactance of the power source impedance can be
considered as a linear resistance in this application). Assuming that
the power source makes contact with the victim for a sufficient
amount of time to cause lethal damage (which is often the case with
high power, since human reflexes aren't that quick compared to
electrons 😜). Same applies to capacitor discharge, but translated to
RC time constants instead of Coulomb, since that is easier to work
with when dealing with capacitors. But as I said before, just voltage
or current are no indicator to how lethal a power source is.
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FreeStuffPleaseHace 3 meses
@karzygijose I have felt the same. Im curious though if I wasnt
wearing shoes or was completing a circuit if it would of actually
electrocuted me. Im just like. 120v feels like a 9v battery on my
tounge. Lol.
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geethreeohHace 2 meses
9v through a h.v pulse generator creates a nice little tingle .
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Dylan HardingHace 3 semanas

@lepayen the average skin can stop a 30v current from passing
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Dylan HardingHace 3 semanas

@Kingsman 500 milliamps is 1/2 amps
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KingsmanHace 3 semanas
@Dylan Harding Yeah I know it was sarcasm. Look at the guys
name. 👍
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Matthew Elliot'sHace 2 semanas

Starlight it only takes .05 amp to kill
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Peter GrundyHace 2 años

"What could possibly go wrong?" "What's the worst that could
happen?" "I probably shouldn't do this" Big like for Big Clive :)
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Jeff DeWittHace 2 años

"I'm not sure why I do this" Yes, he knows why he does this,
because we like to watch him do stuff most of us have enough sense
not to try on our own! (And he DOES know what he's doing).
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coolkidHace 2 años
Bubsy's back!
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ChuckieleHace 2 años
Or in the one video where his bench went completely up in flames:
"This isnt necessarily quite good"
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wisico640Hace 1 año
Chuckiele do you remember which video? I'd love to see that 😂👌
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Dylan RichardsHace 1 año

wisico640  As would I!
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klannstyleHace 1 año
I suppose you can see it here: https://youtu.be/tBg4ximDrsk?t=981 I
think this is the one that Chuckiele is referring to. It should make
people be aware about opening up batteries. Those are NiMh. And
the last one has gone bad into spontaneous combustion in contact
with air. Hmm... He was prepared as always, but surprised also ;-)
Those tiny bits of material that can't be seen, were making fire all
over the place.
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Eugene Bigay. 1990 American SkatersHace 1 año (editado)
Big Clive is so cool and always make sure you use your safety
goggles and your safety gear such as Fire resistant clothing to
protect skin and always keep a fire extinguisher on hand just in case.
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David ParryHace 9 meses

"Let us see what the HealthAndSafetyExecutive recommend I do in
this situation and what precautions one should put in place before
filling out the appropriate 28page risk-assessment form..." said no
Big Clive nor anyone who subscribes to his videos ever!
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Lazy DHace 9 meses

I don't know about you, but I'm tired of watching 'Safety Videos'.
That's why I come to Big Clive.
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David ParryHace 9 meses (editado)

@Lazy D As a child, I was surrounded by "it's lethal, don't touch
that", "be careful with that" and "mind you don't accidentally"
according to modern doctrine. My childhood would give a social-
worker nightmares. We even had a coal fire without a fire screen.
My parents were hoarders and my dad fixed things. I learned to not
die. I learned how machines work. I learned how my dad fixed
things. I learned to have a healthy respect for danger and when that
danger could be tamed. After over half a century, I'm still sucking in
oxygen and moving about on my lower limbs. I see kids doing
GENUINELY dangerous things because they've never hurt
themselves doing the milder versions that don't leave scars. There's a
reason why, in trying to mollycoddle people in social cotton-wool,
they've actually generated a dozen generations of halfwits and
genuinely dangerous pillocks who can't take apart a microwave oven
without setting their dog on fire... or get a piano down the stairs
without filling out some forms. Danger is good. Dirt is good.
Hazards are good. Onward to the future...
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Lazy DHace 9 meses

@David Parry Exactly. I am a fourth generation industrial
maintenance man from a somewhat farming community. We fix
stuff that breaks (everything eventually breaks) with what we have -
be it a 'high dollar set of tools', or a rock and a crescent wrench. I'll
cuss either way... I have been in life threatening situations many
times in my life, and I have noticed that the older I get, the sooner I
realize the situation I'm in before shit goes seriously sideways. I'm
not one to ignore credible safety stuff, and I have no problem calling
out some unawares person on what they are doing that can make shit
go sideways on them in a serious way. Sometimes, it's just
something that will get you a serious, but not life-threatening
laceration or electric shock. Been there, done that a few times.
Sometimes, it's something that will get your pelvis crushed, both
hips broken, a finger cut off (for the second time in eight years), and
a concussion; that puts you in a wheel chair for eight months, and on
crutches for about four more. I did that once. ONCE. I call that "My
Year Plus Of Learning How To Not Do Stupid Shit". I lived through
having a machine fall on me that should have killed me, and though
the old adage about "what doesn't kill you makes you stronger" is
bullshit in my book, it did make me smarter. I'm a big fan of Charlie
Darwin because my homey cut me hella slack that day, yo! I know
everything you do can be "dangerous" in some way, but I also
realize that risk is ruled on an analogue scale. Sometimes it's a nip to
the finger and sometimes it's an explosion that vaporizes your lungs.
Both dangers; but not necessarily comparable. Man is great because
he takes risks and sometimes suffers for his miscalculations - not
because he wraps himself in bubble wrap and hides in the cellar.
Man is great because some men do things others won't do, and they
show that the world is not necessarily a universally lethal place in
which to engage in curiosity. Frankly, we live in a better place
because ridiculously hairy bearded men of courage and expertise,
are not afraid to attempt to explode batteries from jump-starter
packs, and document their travails in video format. God! I love the
time I was born in!
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David ParryHace 9 meses

@Lazy DI don't call out to others. Nature takes its course in such
'educational' ways. I find Darwin sorts out most of the problems the
future will face. What will succeed humans won't be 'men' but they'll
sure be better at being 'men' than humans are. Onward to a Chinese
Future... on Mars... ruled by machines.
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Fredrik SjöblomHace 9 meses

"But hey, that never stopped me before, that's why i'm sooo foolish"
-How can i not love this person? =)
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Old FarfegnugenHace 2 años

For some reason my wife did not believe me when I told her I
watched a bear wearing gloves tear a battery apart on YouTube.
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Rod KHace 2 meses

.... and it speaks English, almost..
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Derpin BirdHace 2 meses

She believed you, she just though you were gay
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alhazanHace 2 años
So if you'd clamped the battery in a vice (to keep the plates from
separating) for the short circuit test it might have been a lot more
exciting?
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D twist RewindHace 2 años

alhazan vice shrapnel lol.
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Phil SHace 2 años

Following the Youtube tradition - the more carnage / flames /
destruction, the more "likes" ! Big Clive dot com - entertainment for
all the Family!
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bloxyman22Hace 2 años
That is something he has to try now :P
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Joanne LoweryHace 2 años

AvE has just reviewed an IoT Juicer. Perhaps a LiPO in a juice
extractor will lead to greater things?
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dossodHace 2 años
Damn now I want to do that but I dont want to stink up my garage
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PrehistoricmanHace 2 años
Doooo it!
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wdavemHace 2 años
Hmmm! I'll bet that increases the chances of it shooting out fully
charged cluster bomb fragments. Keep far away from that!
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Robert BackhausHace 2 años

Cut vent holes in each one battery first, so it doesn't puff up in the
first place. Makes them single use - but it'd be the sort of thing
Macguyver would do if he had to jump start a bulldozer.
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jort93zHace 2 años (editado)

i think already leaving them inside the close case would've made it
more exciting.
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DazzwiddHace 2 años
Then while it's trying to flame, you very quickly do the vice up
tighter ;)
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Paul StubbsHace 2 años

Isn't that what a certain mobile phone manufacturere did, pity the
results were in people's pockets, not in front of a camera.
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Dave MicolichekHace 2 años

alhazan Then you will have a bomb....lol
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Dave MicolichekHace 2 años
Joanne Lowery Yea... The Juicero.... that would be interesting
indeed!!
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jeff cantleyHace 1 año

Possibly don't forget the diode in the lead wire burned out and
opened up on the circuit board copper Trace. But if that didn't
happen then yes I would say it may have been a bit more warming to
watch
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Da veHace 1 año
Cud of just put cover back on then the sharp bits would puncture it
then pop goes the Chineseium crap product lmao
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Michael WHace 1 año

@Robert Backhaus, cutting vent holes through them would just
defect the battery less than useless the very second you start cutting
them. However, you wouldn't have to wait nearly as long to have
them going out in a Blaze Of Glory either lol
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WineScroungerHace 8 meses
Photonicinduction speared one with a kitchen knife, it blew up and
burned big time.
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tundramanqHace 3 meses (editado)

If in it's original case it would be similar to using a vise - until case
failure. Before or after flames develop is the question. Popular
history says after, but a battery just puffing up and breaking it's case
doesn't get reported as much as a fire.
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M CHace 3 meses
the vyce would have been an interesting short circuit path.
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alretzHace 2 años
is there no video of the FLAMES, I feel cheated
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Art WallaceHace 1 año

alretz Bwahaha! I love the paper towell under the NmH cells, man
what flames
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colin turnerHace 1 año

Aargh was hoping for video of flames 😣
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Sillystevon NeutronHace 3 meses
“YoUlL Get CaNceR!” My favorite line. Thanks big Clive !
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The Killer SpudHace 2 años

ENGAGE SAFETY SQUINTS!
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Staglo MagnificoHace 2 años

I have my mom on speed dial, just to be sure
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Dark. DukeHace 2 años

INSTRUCTIONS UNCLEAR, DICK STUCK IN THE VICE!
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_OHMZ_ ElectricalHace 2 años

HAH
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Cletus ClemHace 2 años

Dark. Duke then you got it right. Well done!
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Da veHace 1 año (editado)
When in doubt poke it with stick or twig lmfao
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Mr MürkHace 1 año
@Dark. Duke then use some weiner slidin to get it out
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Master ToastHace 2 años

at 12:19 the pack gets shorted
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bigclivedotcom
Hace 2 años
Or just watch the dedicated video of the short.
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Master ToastHace 2 años

@bigclivedotcom oh lol I didn't even see that video came out, I
wouldn't have commented this if I saw it ^^
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LordHakaiHace 2 años
Thanks. Im just here for that :D
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Stream HuntersHace 1 año

I was reading comments just for this one! Thanks
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Gregory ThomasHace 9 meses

I just wish Clive had shot the pack with a BB gun to accelerate the
release of the shmoo!
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MGlBlazeHace 2 años
22:36 - Uhm, Clive, that plate you put down is changing colour, I
think this stuff is reacting with the air. These are probably
pyrophoric as- 23:00 Yes... yes they are.
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bigclivedotcom
Hace 2 años
It looks great in the video, but I didn't actually see it happening so
vividly at the time. Well, right up until they went whoomf!
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Mijc OsisHace 2 años

for reference - lithium metal (the stuff in charged batteries) plus air
= whoomp Dead flat it is oxidised = no whoomp
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M CHace 3 meses
bigclivedotcom ... lithium + oxygen, i remember our science
teacher... same with white phosphorus = exciting!
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W19 ELYHace 2 años

All of us RC car guys are shaking our heads at people buying these.
The most worrying thing about these is that people will leave these
fully charged in their cars for emergency situations. Yeah let's leave
a fully charged 3s lipo locked in our cars throughout the summer
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MasterBataHace 2 años
Yep, there is a good reason RC enthusiasts keep their lipos in ammo
boxes and other non-flammable containers...
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Andrew GillardHace 2 años

I like to think that the more expensive, branded versions of these
have higher quality cells and better protection than this particular
unit...
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MasterBataHace 2 años
+Andrew Gillard it doesn't matter much - it is still a high capacity,
high discharge lipo cell battery you got there. I've seen a $200 lipo
pack burst in flames in the back seat of a car. No way would I leave
this unattended.
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Blatt FerencHace 2 años

Indeed
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ac3ofspades878Hace 2 años
This is why dash cams shouldnt use LiPo's either, and modding them
to use capacitors is the most common mod. The chance that they
will explode in a reasonable amount of time (few years) is low, but
if it does, it can destroy your entire car. Im honestly surprised these
car chargers arent sold with some thick insulation that will neutralize
the battery if things go wrong.
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Stinky CheeseHace 2 años

What good is thick insulation with flames shooting out of it? This
type of battery doesn't just smolder and get hot, it becomes a torch.
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MGlBlazeHace 2 años
There isn't really any major issue with that as far as I know - I'm
more concerned about 'fully charged' being fucked up because the
cell balancing doesn't work properly which leaves some cells
overcharged and potentially damaged. No over-current protection
either, so these are essentially just raw hobby-grade LiPo packs,
which do need to be handled with respect, and most people won't
really appreciate that if they haven't done their research.
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KingNastHace 2 años
W19 ELY serious question - if I did want to keep one in my car,
what's the safest way to do it? Someone mentioned you guys use
ammo boxes. I'm not against that, but these days, I don't want to get
pulled over with an ammo box in my trunk.
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MasterBataHace 2 años
Look up "lipo safe bag". These are made of glass fiber and will
prevent flames from coming out.
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dbeierlHace 2 años
Ammo boxes, especially .50 cal, have been used for you-name-it
ever since WWII. I wouldn't worry.
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W19 ELYHace 2 años

@KingNast I really wouldn't keep one in my car myself, they don't
like the heat, they don't like the cold. Also I don't think that these
lipo batteries have sufficient power to crank/start a large vehicle. I
would just get a lead acid jump starter. Either that or simply an rc
car battery pack and a set of jump leads. Any reasonable sized rc car
pack is going to be of a higher quality and more suited to the job
then that little battery
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hamish ptwcHace 2 años

isn't that already a lipo safe metal bag that Clive unwrapped on each
lithium cell? and isn't it what saved it from bursting into flames in
the first place?
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hamish ptwcHace 2 años

I was actually scared when he shorted it out! I feel a lot better about
lithium batteries now. it kind of self destroyed it self without
bursting into flames. test passed!
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djmipsHace 2 años
They certainly do have enough power to crank/start a large vehicle.
The proof of the pudding is in the eating and I have used one many
times to start a large station wagon with a lead acid battery that was
kaput until I was able to get a replacement lead acid.
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Chad HolmesHace 2 años

Hmm good point when you put it like that I think most are actually
lithium ion which I believe is more stable but you have a point in
extreme conditions still could end very badly I suppose it depends
on the safety features in the design and like anything the cheaper it
is to produce the less safety features it has.
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W19 ELYHace 2 años

@djmips Rather you than me
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Content UpdatingHace 2 años

Lithium ion cells could not put out enough power to start a car. One
of the best, the Samsung 25R is rated at 20A. You have to use a lipo
for this application.
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Content UpdatingHace 2 años

The danger in lipo lies in either faulty charging or physical damage.
You're not going to physically damage a pack in a hard case. So if
it's going to fail, it will fail while it's being charged. I've kept these
fully charged in my car for several months. I'm not worried.
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hamish ptwcHace 2 años

Mine just blew up. pop! double the size now~!
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J WightmanHace 2 años
use 18650s instead...
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Content UpdatingHace 2 años

What 18650 is going to provide enough current to start a car?
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Content UpdatingHace 2 años

How long did you crank the engine?
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Christian WangHace 2 años

W19 ELY lmao yea
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Christian WangHace 2 años

Put them in a mini cooler then put them in an ammo box
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AbyssFlightHace 2 años
Simple answer is you should not keep them in car at all. Li-Po are
more powerful then li-ion but are far more temperamental. The heat
of the summer will guaranteed ruin the battery even if it doesn't
catch fire it will be made useless after a single summer month.
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Sad0felixHace 2 años
ThingsDemystified You clearly don't know what a thermal runaway
is. Hard case makes it more probable (less heat dissipation), and will
make it pop more violently, increasing chances of the cells' outer
layer film to get punctured by hard plastic in the process. And you
don't know what an impact runaway is, either. Hard case makes the
latter just a bit more difficult to happen. Not impossible. If you live
in a colder than average environment, the incendiary granade in your
car is ticking just a tad slower. You might be lucky enough to never
experience anything bad. Good luck. Experience is the best teacher
in life.
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Content UpdatingHace 2 años

Thermal runaway? What temperature does it take to start that?
Impact? From what?
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That's obviously not true because I've had mine for over a year and it
still works. I'm in the middle of the USA.
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Felice MasiHace 2 años

Dear friend, the fact that you never heard of those, and the fact that
they never happened to you, mean only 2 things, in reverse order: 1)
that you are lucky 2) that you are still not well informed, to be nice.
I will try to inform you somewhat, yet you should check the info I
am going to give you, so you'll know that I am not bullshitting you,
and that you might possibly save yourself from possible future
damage with this knowledge. Basic facts: - charging and discharging
a cell makes it heat up - the quicker you push energy into, or pull out
of, it, the higher the temperature it will reach - there are several
different possible chemistries for LiPo cells, notably LiCo (Lithium
with Cobalt), LiMn (with Manganese) and LiFe (with Iron) - up
until now, there has always been a strict inverse correlation among
the ability of a chemistry to deliver (or receive) high currents in a
short amount of time, and its stability over time. Long story short,
the higher the performance (current C rating) of the chemistry, the
quicker it wears out. - LiCo is the most common chemistry in all
application that require high current rating rather than life time, like
RC models, or chinese car starters - LiCo is also the one with lowest
critical temperature, of 160°C This 160°C is a general average value,
not god's law. It varies slightly from cell to cell, from chemistry
recipe to another, and it is strongly affected by many factors, like
impurities in insulation, type and quality of electrolyte, status of
charge (energy stored), ecc. This means that critical temperature of a
specific LiCo cell could be much lower than 160°C Have you ever
heard of Samsung Galaxy Note 7? Its batteries didn't really need to
get to 160° to start swelling. Once they swelled big enough to crack
the phone open and get the outer film punctured, atmospheric
oxygen could feed the ready-to-flame-out gas inside of it. All in all,
only a few of the Note 7s were truly defective, like 0.01%, around 1
thousand devices. But that has been enough for Samsung to retire
ALL of them from the market. Just to give you an idea of the
possible damage those 1000 defective devices could have costed
them, more than retiring several tens of millions of them. You are
lucky because of many possible factors: a) thermal runaways are
quite rare, still they happen more often than airplane accidents. The
fact that they rarely kill anyone doesn't mean that your car deserves
the risk of burning down to ashes because you won't be into it b) the
device you own might use better than average quality LiPo cells c)
the device you own might be built with better than average quality,
probably taking into account cells' "breathing" (cyclic swelling
during discharge/charge phases) d) you might, more often than not,
parking your vehicle in cool, shadowed places, rather then under
direct sunlight for hours e) you might be storing the device inside
your vehicle in a safer than average place, both phisically and
thermally (like even if the air temperature inside gets hot, down in
the trunk, or in the glovebox, it's 20° cooler, enough for keeping it
stable f) you might be avoiding charging it Impact runaways are
even rarer than thermal ones. The probability of you hitting
something hard enough to break an enclosed battery case and make
it burst to flames, while surviving the impact and dying for the fire
started by battery, is almost none. I am not saying that thermal or
impact caused runaways are the rule. But they happen. Like
everything in life, it's your choice to risk your head, and ride 2
wheels without a helmet. It's also your choice and free will to take
the chance of ruining a lot of expensive stuff, including yourself, by
always carrying an unsafe energy storage device in your car, instead
of taking some easy precaution. I might seem paranoid, but I have
seen these cells burning out all of a sudden, in open field. I don't
want this to happen inside the trunk of my car. I think you now have
some more consciousness of the subject. At least some hint of what
could possibly happen. I hope to have inspired you in doing some
research. If you don't mind the technicality, I suggest you this:
https://www.osti.gov/scitech/servlets/purl/1249044 Cheers
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Content UpdatingHace 2 años

I appreciate your taking the time to post this. I have read about the
dangers of lipo batteries, but I thought the main mode of fire is
charger malfunction. I try to charge it at home so that I can know if
it catches on fire. My car is parked outside, not under any shade. I
keep it in the glove compartment. I feel that there is little danger
when I use it this way. These things are selling like hotcakes, so I
imagine there would be a consumer advisory if there was an issue.
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MelodyHace 2 años
Just keep it in your purse or something
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Content UpdatingHace 2 años

Well, my car is black, and it has been 103 degrees F last week, and I
park my car outside on a black driveway. No fire yet.
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Sad0felixHace 2 años
ThingsDemystified Wait for it ;)
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Content UpdatingHace 2 años

Hehe, somehow I feel that if these were really that dangerous, there
would be a consumer safety advisory or something like that. I work
on electric bikes, and I hear about lipo fires all the time. It's usually
caused by issues with charging or physical damage. I'm not afraid of
it right now =)
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Dozer1642Hace 2 años
KingNast an ammo box in your trunk is just an ammo box in your
trunk.
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Mijc OsisHace 2 años

thing is, they shouldnt be LiPo, they should be LiFePO4, which the
good ones are, which are perfectly safe in a car in summer. Thats
also why they make EVs with LiFePO4 over LiPo or LiCo too
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Content UpdatingHace 2 años

It takes several hundred amps to crank an engine. Only Lipo is
capable of supplying anywhere near that amount of current in a
compact package. A LiFePO4 battery capable of starting an engine
would be humongous!
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Mijc OsisHace 2 años

lol. keep researchin
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Content UpdatingHace 2 años

Keep researching? Show me a LiFePO4 battery capable of
supplying hundreds of amps continuously.
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Sad0felixHace 2 años (editado)

ThingsDemystified LOL, mate, this is sooo yankee. You have
sanded warnings on rearview mirrors because someone 50 years ago
sued Ford or GM for millions, after he didn't look, or looked
carelessly, in the mirrors before changing lane, causing an accident.
The funny thing is that, instead of kicking his lazy and stupid ass out
of the court, the judge thought he was right. You have a huge history
of companies bashed with the most exotic sueing, so you now have
warnings everywere telling you stupidly obvious things, like that
closing a door on a kid's head might result in some damage to the
kid. Now let's introduce the chinese. They don't give a shit. Of their
neighbours, of the rules, of their name. Especially, they don't give a
crazy shit of Lao Wai (foreigners) and their stupid/funny habits and
rules. Try suing a chinese company in China, being a stupid Lao
Wai ... Better, you should sue the chinese government directly, as it
is the financer/subsidizer of 99% of chinese industry. Now the thing
you bought is sold by either ”amelican” company, or by a proper
american company that is too small to be worthy sueing when bad
things happen. In any case, all those warnings appeared AFTER
someone was badly injured or died, and after he or his family sued
and won against the american company. Please, never lose focus ;)
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Sad0felixHace 2 años (editado)

ThingsDemystified Easy https://hobbyking.com/it_it/zippy-
flightmax-8400mah-4s2p-30c-lifepo4-pack.html 8.4 times 30 equals
to 252 amps peak. Put 2 of those in parallel and you have 13.2 4s4p
504Amps peak battery. Put 3 and you'll gave 756 Amps. Put 4 and
you'll pass 1000 Amps. I told you, it's all about trade-offs. 2 of these
would be 140USD, yet again, is your property cheap enough to risk
with a no name chinese LiCo type LiPo?
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Mijc OsisHace 2 años

1ka for 10 sec is plenty to start a car. or truck
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Sad0felixHace 2 años
Mijc Osis, exactly, if you want to stay on the very safe side! I don't
know about ginormic V8s you have down there. To start a diesel V6
3L here in EU 300 Amps are more than enough, and you don need
10 secs, except probably in northern Scandinavia in winter ...
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Sad0felixHace 2 años
I almost forgot. The LiFePo link I posted is about an 8.4Ah 30C.
That means that you can pull 254A continuously until you drain it
(still better watch out for overdischarge). That means that the peak
power you could pull for a couple of seconds (more than enough to
withstand the dead short occurring at cranking a still starter) is
around twice that. So to have 1kA peak you need just a couple of
those, as when it has to just keep it turning it absorbs much less
current than at start.
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Mijc OsisHace 2 años

It was mainly super funny cos they are currently the standard in
electric vehicle battery. Which is about the only thing that actually
DOES require hundreds of amps continuous
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Sad0felixHace 2 años
Mijc Osis As far as I know the big T uses in house developed LiCo
based 18650s, 3.7v each. ~400v, more than 1kA peak current, for
the entire battery. In a car battery, where you have hundreds, if not
thousands of cells, with complex series/parallel matrices, single cell
current rating is not that important factor.
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Mijc OsisHace 2 años

Try again - the use NickelCobaltAlunimium Cathodes in the S Type,
MagnesiumCoboltOxide in the powerwall, and the new in house
batteries they have yet to put in a vehicle are developed with
panasonic, and the chemistry is not yet known. Tesla is also a race
car, they arent what you should judge by, their tech is largely
irrelevant to real EVs
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Sad0felixHace 2 años (editado)

Mijc Osis Who are you talking to? You just confirmed what I just
said, no Tesla road-worthy battery based on 18650 size cells uses
LiFe chemistry. I happen to know a bit about the matter, as I have
taken some ”stupid” official training in Tilburg (Netherlands) and
Thatcham (UK) about how to handle HV on S and X to be able to
structurally repair them. And I signed quite a few NDAs, that's why
I firmly refuse to be more specific. If you have any clue about the
new 2170 cells' chemistry, you are more than welcome to post some
link. Alternatively, you can buy a subscription like mine at
service.teslamotors.com. Tesla is the benchmark. Period. Others
gasp following. Cheers
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Mijc OsisHace 2 años

lmao. you keep believing that. While other companies actually build
cars that make a difference for people that wouldn't buy rolls royce,
and people that want less gross waste than tesla factors in
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Sad0felixHace 2 años
Mijc Osis Whatever, mate, only numbers are always right.
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Mijc OsisHace 2 años

yep, and tesla sales numbers dont lie. Theyre just sad. Theyre a joke.
i mean, we really needed another environment destroying niche
company to help the well heeled rich look fashionably socially
conscious. Thats all tesla is.
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Mijc OsisHace 2 años

Oh and btw - no teslas are LiCo, as you claimed, either
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Sad0felixHace 2 años (editado)

Mijc Osis You're right about the LiCo point, I was so focused on the
cobalt that I lost sight on the rest. However, you really don't get the
picture. 400k model 3 already sold is something heavy. To catch up,
also in opex, others have to sack the service kraken. No traditional
car company is showing even close to that. No other EV only
company is showing any relevant numbers. If that's not clear
enough, future will tell you even more.
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Content UpdatingHace 2 años

I didn't even know there were such batteries. Why aren't more
people using them? Are they new? So they won't go up in flames if
they're punctured?
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Sad0felixHace 2 años
ThingsDemystified First, as you can see from BigClive video, no
battery goes up in flames from nothing. If damaged enough
physically (through either direct shock, excessive load, overcharge,
overdischarge, or a combination of the same), they heat up a lot
(even to >600 Celsius) and produce gases at a considerable rate, so
that if all that heat and gases are kept tight in a very confined space
(like a sealed laptop pack or an IP67 smartphone), they end up
cracking the container. If, during thermal runaway, the hot gases
come in contact with atmospheric oxygen, flames could burst. That's
not the same as ”they explode”. So, if you are talking about LiFe, it's
a younger chemistry, they have a slightly lower cell voltage (~3.2v
vs ~3.7 nominal, that's why you need 4 cells in series instead of 3
usual Li cell to get to car voltage), they weigh more, so worse
energy/weight ratio, they have worse current ratings (that's why you
need more cells in parallel, to distribute the load among series). So
in the end you spend more money for heavier stuff. BUT, STILL
The nominal critical temperature is way higher, the charge-discharge
cycle number, hence longer lifetime, too. And while absolute
performance is a bit lower than LiCo, it's still far better than older
chemistries. It's like a reliable Merc E-class, that weighs and costs a
bit more than a 1000hp Supra that will probably have its engine
blown to pieces every 10 runs. ~150 Celsius for LCO vs ~195 for
LFP, and much lower and slower envelope of temperatures during
thermal runaway (check conclusions):
http://pubs.rsc.org/en/content/articlehtml/2013/ra/c3ra45748f
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Content UpdatingHace 2 años

Let me ask you this. Are they as safe as typical 18650 cells like the
Samsung 25r? Also, Mercedes is the last name I would think of
when it comes to reliability, and comparing it to a drag engine is
apples to oranges =)
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jonndaHace 2 años
W19 ELY I'm not planning on leaving it in a locked car. I'm
planning on having it at my work station so I don't have to carry a
lead acid battery jump starter across a huge parking to go get a dead
car that I have to do some maintenance on. We have fire
extinguishers handy.
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rian ritzenHace 1 año
Haha my Lipos are safe and sound at a nice 3.8 volts
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MandragorasHace 1 año
I clicked the like button thrice.
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MrRedstoneHace 1 año
MasterBata I just keep them lying around until I need them. They
should be stable as long as they're not over-discharged or shorted
out, or you don't store them in a sauna.
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MrRedstoneHace 1 año
ac3ofspades878 Insulation won't do any good. When LiPos fail they
vent a lot of hydrogen, effectively becoming a blowtorch. Unless it's
a airtight and flameproof container, the flame will erupt from the
nearest hole.
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MrRedstoneHace 1 año (editado)

KingNast Get some LiPo bags. LiPos are stable as long as they don't
overheat and aren't over discharged (if cell voltage is below 3 volts,
even slightly like 2.99 volts, they can be unstable). Store them
individually in separate LiPo bags in your trunk. If you want extra
protection, store all the LiPo bags inside another LiPo bag.
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Terry BeardmoreHace 1 año

Content Updating Oh God. These are still very niche, and there's
already plenty of stories of puffing up and fires when left in a hot
car. That consumer warning is coming but there's consumer
warnings for power banks because of massive fires and they've made
no difference.
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Philip GroblerHace 1 año

+Terry Beardmore A powerbank is quite literally a bomb!
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Da veHace 1 año
@Content Updating look for 26650s 45a to 50a only 5000ah cells
tho strap a couple together u prob fry ya starter earth strap lmfao
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Content UpdatingHace 1 año

And how big would such a device be? I imagine it would be huge.
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Content UpdatingHace 1 año

Second summer down. No fires. LoL. Oh, and mine is 4s.
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James FHace 1 año

Content Updating you have to run series/parallel grouping to get he
voltage and amperage to do so. Ganged up in series of 3 to get to the
12.6 volts just like these lipo packs aka 3s lipo pack
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Content UpdatingHace 1 año

My point is that the pack would be so big it would be impractical.
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DRNEGOLICISHace 1 año
@KingNast Why would you worry about having an ammo box in
your trunk? I never worry about the gun beside my seat when they
pull me over, i just declare i have a wepon. im also not licenced. its a
constitutional right to carry. your vehicle falls under the castle law.
they realy dont care. there is nothing wrong with having a gun. its a
tool just like any other. i even have liberal democrat friends that use
ammo boxes as tool boxes. if a libtard doesent worry about it why
should you?
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B PaceHace 1 año
Just FYI, many of those are 4S
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B PaceHace 1 año
Easy !!! 252A Continuous / 336A Burst
https://hobbyking.com/en_us/zippy-flightmax-8400mah-4s2p-30c-
lifepo4-pack-xt90.html
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B PaceHace 1 año
No, it won't.
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KrotowXHace 1 año
@Da ve This in not Li-Ion, but LiPo battery. LiPo's does support
gradually larger currents.
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grepthis2000Hace 11 meses
blah blah blah constitutional right blah blah blah castle law blah blah
blah it's only a tool blah blah blah libtard. From what you wrote the
biggest tool is you. Own the libs all you want gunboy but remember
when your militia starts marching -- there are libs with guns as well,
and they know how to use them. @DRNEGOLICIS
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Howling WolvenHace 11 meses

Liposafe bags can withstand a battery going thermonuclear.
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goamartyHace 11 meses
@Content Updating I have one - but it is the size of a car battery.
Only half the weight, what is really nice for 12V/100Ah. But that is
not in the car all the time, only for camping. But I have some electric
problem where some computer boxes sometimes do not got to sleep
correctly and after a day the battery is flat. For jump starting I often
use a 4s/5Ah hobby king battery. Rated for 20C (100A) and has a
hard case. That works really nice, takes a second or two to start the
engine, nothing gets hot and after 10 or 20 uses it still has above 15
or 15,5V.
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goamartyHace 11 meses
@Content Updating Don't forget: Starting a car is quite the opposite
of a continuous load. Even the starter would burn up in continuous
operation. You just need a burst of power 1 or 2s long.
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Content UpdatingHace 11 meses

@goamarty A few seconds might mean continuous to one person
and peak to another. The continuous rating of a battery will give you
an idea of its capabilities. Now if you find a "peak" rating that
specifies how long it can operate at that power level, that would be
ideal.
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Content UpdatingHace 11 meses

@goamarty I'm not really sure what you're replying to by saying "I
have one."
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The Terrible AnimatorHace 10 meses

I like to store mine next to tha querosene and gunpowder keg.
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Andreas NagelHace 8 meses
@W19 ELY i got one and succesfully started my Honda severell
times when the battery was down. I like this battery . but i will not
leave it in the car after i read these comments :)
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Robert LawtonHace 7 meses

@dbeierl ... and it's always good to have a few ammo boxes with
something other than ammo in them. You know, in case of a random
search.
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georg841984Hace 5 meses
yes mini charnobyls waiting to happen
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J WuhHace 3 meses
@MasterBata Glass fiber can break way too easily for the amount of
harsh chemical in that bag! If one of these 12v battery jumpers were
dropped on the floor or had something heavy crush one when in the
boot of a car and a bit of plastic or a screw from the casework split
the bag, same issue. Glass fiber is great for mobile phone batteries
but not for something this big and high current. That's why RC car
guys are freaking out! These are hardcore batteries like what you
find in a laptop. Laptop batteries are protected in plenty of
plastic/metal despite the individual cells also being protected in
plastic and metal. Also, they should use very small/short screws or
just glue for assembling those cases to ensure that a broken screw
can't become a lance!
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MasterBataHace 3 meses
@J Wuh Glass fiber can break? From what? You know it's one of
the strongest fibers we have, right? And it's not flammable, which is
the biggest concern.
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bansheemaniaHace 1 mes
I Just Got Back in R/c. Lipo is a Longgg way away from No-cad
Day's... Special chargers, temps etc. Like holding a M80 in one's
hands.
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The Game HunterHace 1 mes

Û no
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smokesgtpHace 1 mes
@grepthis2000It's cute that you think the left would have a prayer
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Mike PerigoHace 2 años

Warning! Using non-flameproof gloves is NOT OK or a good idea.
If they get set alight they are likely to melt into the skin causing
FAR worse damage. You would be better off with a barrier cream to
combat the nasty chemicals and a bucket of water next to the
'explosion containment pie dish' ready to douse any flaming fingers.
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svampebob007Hace 2 años
Warning! opening a shady Chinese lipo that you just saw discharge
500A is NOT OK or a good idea. I do agree though, it's a simple
safety measure that could save your fingers.
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Tubmaster 5000Hace 10 meses

Mike Perigo Congratulations! You've just discovered a new use for
KY jelly!
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Dave MicolichekHace 3 meses

You do NOT want water any where NEAR a lithium battery fire... 🔥
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TomaCukorHace 3 semanas
Agree, this guy dumb as hell
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TheMiningTeamHace 1 día
Kinda the same thing with nitric acid: If you don’t have the proper
gloves, it can melt the gloves onto your skin and even cause them to
light on fire, so it’s recommended that if you don’t have the proper
gloves to use no gloves at all.
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DerpHace 2 años
19:20 - Lol, love when Clive impersonates his viewers.
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Ian TesterHace 2 años

He sounded like the creepy old man in Family Guy.
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The LacustrianHace 2 años

Derp qq
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Rick the FirefighterHace 2 años

It says you made this comment five hours ago, when the video is
only two hours old.
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HumbleDeerHace 2 años
it was Published that long ago, but I think Clive sends private link to
some kind of reserved group before releasing to the public. Others
got it earlier./
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Andrew GillardHace 2 años

That "reserved group" is his Patreon supporters :) Chuck a dollar or
two his way each month and you get access to the videos earlier.
Usually a day or two early, but these went public pretty quick.
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HumbleDeerHace 2 años
I wasn't sure if Clive had Patreon. Must've been another youtuber
who didn't want to use it.
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Samuel JamesHace 2 años

American look 1199
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SomeRandomGuyWithAChannelOnYouTubeHace 2 años
Ian Tester he did
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SomeRandomGuyWithAChannelOnYouTubeHace 2 años
2nd Lt. Cohiba Fox it's 8 hours even tho it says 4 but YouTube time
is wrong
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RikardHace 2 años
Now short another one that is compressed in a vice.
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IIGrayfoxIIHace 2 años
The vice of knowledge
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Richard THace 2 años

Derp "You'll get cancer" .... BRILLIANT!!
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Godfrey PoonHace 2 años

I don't understand why it would have the effect of making someone
a feminist.
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eriHace 2 años
sir, making fun of feminists is like, so 2016. it's 2017. we make fun
of fidget spinners now
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Godfrey PoonHace 2 años (editado)

+erica Same same, they both go around in circles and achieve
nothing other than irritating people nearby.
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Andrew GillardHace 2 años

I'm surprised that someone like you is willing to claim that feminism
hasn't achieved anything. I would have expected lots of rants about
the many things that feminism HAS achieved and that people
clinging to a male-dominated world are upset by. You're on the
wrong side of history, I'm afraid.
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Godfrey PoonHace 2 años

+Andrew Gillard Stop thinking so hard about my comment.
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Jeff DeWittHace 2 años

It's the militant feminists we make fun of, because they are a bad
joke.
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Joshua RosenHace 2 años

No, you make fun of feminists because you are a virgin.
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Matt PerryHace 2 años

Joshua Rosen hahahahahahaha
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Jeff DeWittHace 2 años

Wow, that's the best you can come up with?
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Godfrey PoonHace 2 años
+Joshua Rosen Go figure out what psychological projection is.
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TechMoHace 2 años
YES
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71dembonesHace 2 años
Andrew Gillard LOL
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Nuker 9000Hace 2 años

Only in the state of California.
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realflow100Hace 2 años
Wow thats a scary thought. i think it would go bang like C4 blowing
up
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lioncrunchHace 1 año
Derp t
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CesotoseotHace 2 años
19:00 "Why do I do this? It's so foolish but I just keep doing it
anyway." Words of a generation.
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mike fearHace 2 años

I think you should make available official Big Clive authorised
spudgers, maybe pink ones ?
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Niko AndruloniHace 2 años

I would get one, definitely.
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BangDroidHace 2 años
Hell yeah!
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Ethan PooleHace 2 años

mike fear At this point I think iSesame is pretty well already the
official Clive spudger. I dare say many of us already own one, or
several.
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cornz38Hace 2 años
No, Tartan!!
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Little MaxarothHace 2 años

i want a pink one
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PrettyLexiPrincessHace 1 año
Yeah I want a pink one
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Andy MaddenHace 1 año

What about pie dishes marked "Explosion Containment Pie Dish",
for containing explosions and bad cooking?
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Nicola LombardiHace 2 años

10:18 "and I've made a special test load, a test load that looks
suspiciously like a bit of 15mm copper pipe" hahah
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EpicLPerHace 2 años
When Clive writes "it didn't end well" into the video title you know
this is going to be an awesome video
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AnkdoeslegoHace 2 años
EpicLPer ikr
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MomoJojoHace 2 años
oh hey, it's the barnacules server guy
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EpicLPerHace 2 años
Hierophant yep
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NTechHace 2 años
Yes thats right it's allways so ^^ PS: Höhö xD denn habe ich auf
Twitter gesehen
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AzyHace 2 años
That's when you know it's going to end well :D
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Chaos CornerHace 2 años

But always keep the camera rolling.
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TartrazineHace 2 años
Sadly he did not record it. :(
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bdf2718Hace 2 años
Damn, I just posted something very similar to that. Then scrolled
down to see that you'd beaten me to it. So I deleted mine.
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El FrijoleroHace 2 años
Why do i see you everywhere
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That GuyHace 2 años

Explosion containment pie dish is my favourite character
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Da veHace 1 año
😂😂😂😂😂
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gorillaauHace 1 año
It's a a great plot device. We all feel safer when it is present.
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RepublicanMugHace 2 años (editado)

Nothing in the world is more relaxing than watching Clive rip apart
some lithium cells. 😍😍
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K.o.RHace 11 meses
"A test load that looks suspiciously like a bit of 15mm copper pipe."
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Jack LindeHace 1 año

11:45 I love that comment he makes as he connects the pipe up.
"Uuuuu..." is right.
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FlyHace 8 meses
Reminds me of another British YouTuber, SovietWomble. He
makes exactly the same "Uhuhuhu"-sound.
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Phil SHace 2 años

"I've got the tin handy in case this goes thermonuclear on me", and
"What's the worst that can happen? Flames" - Priceless!!
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Leberkas SemmelHace 2 años

The "defusing a bomb" part was the best part. I would buy a
audiobook voice by you!
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CrazyBlueTvHace 2 años
It really surprises me that Clive haven't burned his house down
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Nobody like meHace 3 meses

I think its because hes cool when shit goes wrong and knows what
could go wrong before it does so hes prepared for it lol
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bdot02Hace 2 años (editado)

I'm glad that our good friend the brown benchtop could be there with
us and the explosive containment pan during another exciting
episode of tearing apart lithium batteries! 😀
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ilarilHace 2 años
bdot02 pie dish. Not a pan ;)
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jay7264Hace 2 años
correcting people over the internet.......... PRICELESS
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Aleatha VogelHace 2 años
So true...if the brown benchtop ever gets replaced it will be a sad
day for all of us.
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Nani IsobelHace 2 años (editado)

He should just auction the benchtop off after a while. Wouldn't that
be cool on the wall of the lab!
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mrsuperguy2073Hace 2 años
bdot02 like ashens & his dirty brown sofa
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Robert GainesHace 2 años

Preferably to a technology museum.
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gregtdudeHace 1 año
11:47 - love that sound lol!
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CLipka2373Hace 10 meses (editado)

"Big Clive - making foolish decisions since 2007 so you don't have
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JigatreeHace 2 años (editado)

Clivebait
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Jonathan FancherHace 2 años (editado)

(edited)
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PabloHace 2 años (editado)

(edited) (edited)
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JigatreeHace 2 años
I am sorry for correcting the spelling.
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PabloHace 2 años
No there's nothing wrong about it. look closely at our comments.
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Phroden DekiaHace 1 año

Clabebate
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TEAC FanHace 2 años
Well, I guess you survived this battery dissection because obviously
you uploaded the video. Anyhow, there were no reports of
mushroom clouds over the Isle of Man.
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Thermal IonsHace 2 años

Not necessarily, Clive has arranged for his brother to upload his
final video.
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Derek ToddHace 2 años

There was a westerly wind blowing and ended up in my country.
N.I.