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When we combine sustained load case and occasional load case(like PSV
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thrust force) the combination method recommended by Caesar is
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To get a true value of stress at point algebraic combination is required. Guests and 3 Spiders
So can anyone give me reference form ASME 31.3 which states that online.
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well scalar combination gives results which will never occur in piping as
the scalar combination simply adds stress as numbers.
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algebrically and gives the resultant stress and forces.So in this case if i
am right it is algebraic combination.
Why cant the same be applied when we add a psv thrust force,which
simply is a force.
I hope dan you got my point.
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As you saw, the code require that the combination method is scalar.
Why?
I'm afraid that I will not give you a satisfactory answer, but I will try.
I was searching for this answer and the only reference that I found was
that the occasional effects are treated similar to the AISC practice.
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Re: Combination of Sustained and Occasional load [Re: #40294 01/19/11 08:37 AM
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Scalar is implied by the piping code. B31.3 (302.3.6(a)) states the sum
of longitudinal stresses ... due to sustained loads ... and of the stresses
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Codes with equations show the stress magnitudes summed, not stress
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Why? I figure many occasional loads have a "rebound" component so if
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USA in X a moment later. Just my assumption. To be conservative I figure
those occasional loads are + and .
Of course, CAESAR II will allow you to do different if you wish. That's
between you and the owner.
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