Is New Coronavirus (COVID-19) A Biological Weapon Blasted Against The China's Economy Latest PDF

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Piyal Aravinna
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Is new Coronavirus (COVID-19) a Biological Weapon blasted against the China’s economy?
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Christian G Meyer added a reply February 8
@Asam Shad and @Christopher Diederichs:
Please, no conspiracy theories! Such theories may be more dangerous than the epidemic itself!!
The origin of the virus in bats has been clarrified as has been in finding a likely intermediate host (pangolin). Please, look at the facts provided by physicians,
biologists and epidemiologists! There are plenty of scientific papers now available on the origin of the virus! Just go to the PubMed database, enter as search
terms "coronavirus" or "2019-nCoV", read the papers (yes, you need to read!) and stop sprreading unjustifiable nonsense.
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Christian G Meyer added a reply

January 30
Sorry, but: nonsense.
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Chinaza Godswill Awuchi added a reply February 10
No evidence so far has pointed towards that direction
Neil Dagnall added a reply

February 10
No - but I can imagine that this conspiracy will do the rounds. It happens periodically with diseases.
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A. G. Piyal Aravinna added a reply February 10
Dear Neil Dagnall,
Thank you for the comment. I have observed this at the time of
HIV out break.
Same time, I would like to ask that ability of creation of a virus artificially ?
Also, this question is open for Christian G Meyer
Piyal Aravinna
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February 11
In principle it is possible to modify viruses by genetic engeneering. Please be aware that the H1N1 virus which has caused the deadly epidemic of
Spanish Flu (2018/2019; appr. 40-50 million fatalities) has been retrieved from permafrost and it could be reactivated. There are currently three (groups
of) viruses listed in the compilation of the "dirty dozen" (potential biological weapons), namely the viruses causing smallpox, several viral encephalitis
agents and agents causing viral hemorrhagic fevers (VHF agents).
Dear Christian G Meyer,
Thank for your Valuable comment .
Piyal Aravinna
Maurice Ekpenyong added a reply

February 11
Let's just say it's a global distraction, but a biological weapon? No! But could be exploited as such. The natural mortality rate is still below 30% but that
of a natural biological weapon is 75% and above. The 2019-nCoV could be exploited through genetic engineering as a weapon though. So, it is still
something the scientific community should worry about. Evil men still lurk around everywhere.
A. G. Piyal Aravinna added a reply

February 11
Dear Maurice Ekpenyong,
Thank you for your comment. specially "Evil men still lurk around everywhere" is very important point to be discussed.
Piyal Aravinna
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@Maurice Ekpenyong: "The natural mortality rate is still below 30%......" - According to the figures officially available the fatality rate of 2019-nCoV
infection is 2,2%.

February 11
@Anton Vrdoljak @Christian G Meyer@ Christopher Diederichs
As per the idea mentioned by Maurice Ekpenyong,
Is there a possibility for the conversion of “Normal Coronaviruses to Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV)” by genetic engineering ?
Piyal Aravinna
Yichi Hu added a reply

February 12
I demonstrate in the attached document why it is nonsense to consider an unlikely conspiracy theory the idea of an American biological attack behind
the Wuhan outbreak. According to scientific literature this eventuality is far from unlikely, but dubious if not even likely: on what grounds do journalists
from all over the world assess it to be unlikely, on what grounds do they consider a conspiracy theorist the one who takes this eventuality into account?
On what scientific literature do they base their opinion? To think that without evidence this idea is irrational is naive and uninformed: as little as a basic
scientific knowledge is enough to know that, normally, a biological attack do not practically leave evidence. This is the reason why it is usually necessary
to take into account non-conclusive criteria in order to assess rationally the likelihood that an outbreak was intentional or not. And this is not just my
opinion, but that of every researcher who addressed the subject (two academic papers from well known journals are quoted in the document: you will
find their link below). Anyways, I want to make it clear: the point is not to accuse the United States, but to point out the current problematic situation:
spreading epidemics is for a State (it doesn’t matter if that State is Greece, China or the United States) suitable, rational and safe. How can we change
this dangerous situation? First of all, we have to open our eyes and acknowledge that this is the way it is. I am at your disposal for any clarification.
https://www.clinicalmicrobiologyandinfection.com/article/S1198-743X(14)62640-9/fulltext
https://academic.oup.com/milmed/article-pdf/163/4/198/23723123/milmed-163-4-198.pdf
Scientists and analysts must develop my idea according to different models of differentiation: I think even the most conservative model will hardly drop
below 10% of confidence that it was a biological attack. So, far from very unlikely.
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February 12
Dear Ms. Yichi Hu,
Thank you for your comment and personal ideas.
Actually this is an open discussion and is not to blame a single nation or country.
If you could incorporate useful links it is highly appreciated.
Piyal Aravinna
I agree with Yichi Hu
Yichi Hu added a reply February 12
Dear A. G. Piyal Aravinna ,
I am not accusing nor blaming anyone, I am just considering a likely scenario, as scientific community do when the question is to differentiate natural
outbreaks from biological attacks.
Researchers have to evalutate the interval of confidence of this scenario, according to different models and interpretations: 51%, 16%, 57%, 30%...
It is nonsense, as it happened so far (among both journalists and experts), to skip the logical field of research of this subject: intentional and natural
outbreak differentiation. If you want to know if an outbreak was intentional or not you have to consider the scenario, not just the nature of the virus (as
virologists do: the fact that they are expert on viruses does not mean that they can rationally assert that taking into account the eventuality of a
biological attack is an unlikely conspiracy theory). I have already incorporated useful links: please, read them.
I think that we have, legitimately, a moral bias on the subject: we consider a biological attack a very immoral action, so it is difficult for us to consider it
objectively.
So I invented this experiment in order to correct this human perspective distorsion: you put a fifty-dollar bill on a park bench, you go away and you
return an hour later: there is nothing on the bench. Is it blaming “evil people lurking everywhere” to think that somebody picked it up? No, it is just a
likely scenario, because it is the best rational choice from the point of view of a passer-by to pick it up.
In order to know how likely this scenario is we have to take into account non-conclusive criteria (Have people interest and capability to pick up the bill?
Is it a frequented park? Is it a windy day?...).
This case is formally analogous to our subject: the main difference is that the United States have more interest in holding back China's economy than an
average passer-by in having 50 more dollars.
I say that a biological attack is the best rational choice from the point of view of the United States, so it is rational to take into account this eventuality; I
do not say that it is sure that they did it, so I do not accuse anyone.
The point is to highlight our current dangerous situation: spreading epidemics is rational, suitable and safe (it does not give rise to retaliation nor
sanctions) from the point of view of a State.
Nowadays, there is nothing to prevent this to happen: this is a major problem that we have to solve.
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Dear Ms. Yichi Hu,
Thank you for the clarification. We will discuss further.
Piyal Aravinna
Based on the available information so far, it's quite unlikely that this Covid-19 outbreak is a biological attack.

February 12
It is not only unlikely, it is just nonsense.
Stephen I. Ternyik added a reply

February 12
Inter-host is most probably
https://www.pangolinreports.com/avoid-pangolins-tcm
according to meta-genomic matching.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metagenomics
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-pangolins-idUSKBN2010XA

February 12
Dear Chinaza Godswill Awuchi ,
According to which method can we say that Covid-19 outbreak is quite unlikely a biological outbreak? And "quite unlikely" is equal to what interval of
confidence: 0,1%, 5%, 10%?
I think it is important to bear in mind the difference between these two fields of research: (1) the biological origin of viruses (which pertains to
virologists), (2) the differentiation between natural and intentional outbreaks (which pertains to military medical researchers and political analysts).
Even if the most respected virologists say that the idea of the biological attack is an unlikely conspiracy theory their opinion does not carry any real
weight, because they are expressing an opinion on field 2 without the appropriate instruments.
Field 1 just studies what was the biological development of a virus, but it can not demonstrate scientifically that the virus developped in natural
conditions or in a laboratory.

February 12
Dear Stephen I. Ternyik,
If you could provide scientific evidence for statement (if available) it is highly appreciated.
Piyal Aravinna
Dear all,
As the point mentioned by Yichi Hu, given below;
“According to which method can we say that Covid-19 outbreak is quite unlikely a biological outbreak? And "quite unlikely" is equal to what
interval of confidence: 0,1%, 5%, 10%?”,
if we have a method to evaluate each possibility, it is very important.
Piyal Aravinna

February 12
Here are some useful readings on methods for rational differentiation between intentional and natural outbreaks; their reading is especially
recommended to those who continue dogmatically to consider the idea of the biological attack an unlikely (or even nonsense) conspiracy theory:
Article A procedure for differentiating between the intentional rele...
Article A New Method of Differentiation Between a Biological Attack ...

Chapter Comparison of the Available Methods of Differentiation Betwe...
Reading my previous attached document will be also very useful to point out the specific features of the political context from which Covid-19 emerged:
motive of the United States, capability, occasion, opportunity, record, nature of the event and suspect's mentality.
In fact, it is against any scientific method of differentiation to isolate the virological aspect of the outbreak from the political context of the event.
Stephen I. Ternyik added a reply

February 12
A. G. Piyal Aravinna
https://www.sciencealert.com/the-pangolin-is-now-a-suspect-in-the-coronavirus-outbreak
People believe in these medicines; it is folk belief.
http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2020-02/07/c_138763566.htm
https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-from-bats-to-pangolins-how-do-viruses-reach-us/a-52291570
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Ilhami Unluoglu added a reply

February 12
I am of the opinion that it is not correct to comment on this matter without an information/document.

February 12
Dear Ilhami Unluoglu,
Thank you for the comment .
Yes, you are correct.
But we have to discuss capability of creation of such a virus changing structure of the existing virus in same group.
Piyal Aravinna
Atim Asitok added a reply

February 12
I believe it is possible to exploit the virus for terrorism through genetic engineering. The details of my thoughts will not be discussed here so as to not
give the enemy some tips

February 12
Dear Ms.Atim Asitok,
Thank you for the idea.
We do not reject It 100%.
But, we have think about its feasibility.
Piyal Aravinna

February 12
The case fatality rate is currently 2.47 %.
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Shakir Tuleab added a reply

February 12
I believe it has also had devastating results for the Chinese economy and halted the great and accelerating growth of this great economy.

February 12
Dear Shakir Tuleab,
Some time, the Novel Coronavirus (COVID-19) could be one of most dangerous one in recent history
Piyal Aravinna

February 12
on the following link recognized cases and fatalities can be tracked on a daily basis (needs tto be refreshed daily). Please take into account a
high estimated number of unreportedcases.
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
Chinaza Godswill Awuchi added a reply

February 12
The reported cases of deaths due to Covid-19 seems to be slowing down

February 12
Dear All,
Scients still searching about
missing link for COVID-19 " between bats and humans.
Jasim Hassen added a reply

February 12
Could be.

February 13
I think that if we want to address the subject correctly we should focus on following a method of differentiation between natural and intentional outbreaks
to assess scientifically the confidence level of the statement of our question, "New Coronavirus is a Biological Weapon blasted against the China’s
economy".
Any other opinion is off-topic and scientifically uninformed: methods of differentiation are the only way to address the subject. Everything
else is just talking.
Virological and epidemiodological factors are relevant, but not decisive: for example it is not conclusive the identification of the missing link between
bats and humans (given the fact that finding it would not scientifically demonstrate that COVID-19 development was a natural and not a man-induced
process in a laboratory) nor the case fatality rate (given the fact that biological weapons are more useful as economical weapons rather than mass
destruction weapons: the most realistic goal of such an attack would be to paralyze China's economy, not to decimate Chinese people).
You can follow for example the method proposed in this article, that is accessible for free on the Internet (but there are other methods, you can freely
choose what to consider: I think that we need better models to be developped):
https://www.clinicalmicrobiologyandinfection.com/article/S1198-743X(14)62640-9/fulltext
Let's start from the first criteria:
Existence of a biological risk: "A biological risk arises, for example, if states, groups or individual persons have access to biological warfare
agents and the necessary means of distributing them and are willing to use them".
The United States have access to biological warfare agents, have the necessary means of distributing them and there is no reason (if we consider what
is their best rational choice) why they should not be willing to use them (I discuss this point extensively on the pdf).
So I would give 3 of 3 possible points [highly likely/certain] (we could also give 2 of 3 [likely], but nothing less).
Do you agree?
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February 13
Daer Jasim Hassen
If you could provide the facts behind your answer, It is important for us

February 13
Dear All,
The PDf with three pages without a title, attached by Yichi Hu, (Coronavirus and conspiracy theory.pdf), has some important logical point and it
important read without a bias mind.
Piyal Arvinna
Ghose Bishwajit added a reply

February 14
Your hypothesis Is indeed a valid one. Bioterrorism is not a myth. But so far there is no concrete report to support the case of covid. And zoonotic
transmissions are not unknown to the chinese either. Their diet does cover a wide variety of exotic animals, so the risk of transmission during harvest or
consumption can’t be rulled out as well.

February 14
Ghose Bishwajit
Tank you for the involvement. Yes, there are two possibilities
Chinaza Godswill Awuchi added a reply

February 14
It's better to place more emphasis on facts. Currently, no fact has pointed towards biological attack. At this point, Covid-19 outbreak can not be regarded
as a biological attack by any body, group of people, or nation.
Chinaza Godswill Awuchi
Actually , at the present situation, we can say that there are no evidence for a biological attack . But, we can not reject this hypothesis at 100%
confidence.
Szabolcs Semsey added a reply

February 14
Dear A.G Piyal Aravinna,
I believe it is morally questionable and very dangerous what you are doing here. Anyone with basic molecular biology or chemistry background and lab
access is capable to create dangerous/lethal substances. You do not need a 'sup(p)er power' for that.
You are accusing economic competitors of China and planting the idea that they are responsible for the viral outbreak, without any evidence. Do you
think any government would release a virus without having a cure for it first?
Researchgate should not be a forum for propaganda. Also, if you know how to use BLAST, you can figure out yourself which labs are interested in
Covid-19 like bat coronaviruses. Might get surprised.
If I were you I would remove this discussion from RG because it might hurt your reputation.

February 14
Dear Szabolcs Semsey,
Thank you for your valuable comments. I appreciate for the most of the point in your comment. I corrected the spellings mistake in the question. I will consider your
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Daer All,
Map of confirmed COVID-19 cases from 12 January 2020 to 12 February 2020.
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Anton Vrdoljak added a reply

February 14
COMPUTER SCIENCE STUDENTS BUILD CORONAVIRUS TRACKING WEBSITE
https://news.virginia.edu/content/computer-science-students-build-coronavirus-tracking-website?
fbclid=IwAR3ZHtl8DwgoeWuZlDNBM0XohWdwFcLDGmVpxmTKhMVK2So_yYpWYvP9YH4
@Anton Vrdoljak
Yes, It gives better picture about spread
Very interesting development
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February 14
No reports from Africa so far; am very skeptical
Many African countries lack the capacity to detect Covid-19

February 15
Today first case in Egypt.
Shilin Zhang added a reply February 15
In Oct, 2019, 361 American soldiers have entered Wuhan city. The names and the affiliation of the 361 American soldiers are misterious. No evidence
show that they have no links with CIA and virus speciallists. It is a high secret program and must be carried out by the US army. There are several
abnormal activity in MaryLand, Fort Detrick military virus research center in 2019!
Shilin Zhang added a reply February 15
If someone can show the list of the names and the affliation of the 361 American soldiers who have entered Wuhan in Oct 2019 just before virus break,
the conspracy can be cleared! The US army have the motivation, the ability and the chance to do the virus attack in Wuhan! If not, the 361soldiers must
be cleared with no links to CIA or Virus specialists!
Mário André Macedo added a reply February 16
Don't do fake news please
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Shilin Zhang added a reply

February 16
The 300+ us soldiers entering Wuhan is a truth in Oct 2019. Now their link with virus spreading is not clear. This is not rumor, if us want to clarify, it is a
direction and a solid sception.
Ligen Yu added a reply

February 16
Dear @Shilin Zhang,
Don't spread fake news. At this extreme hard time, we need the help from all over the world, but not the spread of hatred together with the virous.
Dear Shilin Zhang,
Thank you for join the discussion.
But, I don't think that much of persons are not requierd for such a work. So, at that points, We can strongly reject your answer.
Dear All,
One important discussion related to COVID-19 is available at the link given below. If you are able to join the discussion too, It is highly appreciated.
https://www.researchgate.net/post/Ability_of_conversion_of_genes_of_Coronavirus_group_to_novel_Coronavirus_2019-nCoV_named_as_COVID-
19_by_WHO_by_genetic_engineering
Ligen Yu added a reply February 16
It is impossible to chang a person's mind if he believes in conspiracy theory. Conspiracy theory is not simply a theory. It is a
faith/religion/philosophy/worldview:
https://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/26/magazine/why-rational-people-buy-into-conspiracy-theories.html
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Heather Young added a reply February 16
ok this is what I don’t get.
ALL of the research states we DON’T know where this came from exactly... we have disproven a number of hosts, we know it’s similar to a novel bat
CoV, but we don’t know what intermediates may be involved or why this has a novel section not found in ANY other CoV.
This isn’t a news source and Trumps echo’s of fake news is getting old. If you want to refute a proposed hypothesis, can we do that with logical debate
and not cries of conspiracy theories and fake news. Because we don’t know. Bioweapon, experiment gone wrong, evolution, food practices, etc...
everything is a hypothesis at this point. I’d like to see actual evidence/discussion of all possible sources. Clearly everyone can agree that the source is
important to determine.
Dear Heather Young,
Thank you for mentionning very important comments in this discussion.
In this article I demonstrate (1) that taking into account the eventuality of the American biological attack at the origin of COVID-19 outbreak is
not conspiracist, but the normal procedure to follow in cases like this, and (2) that this eventuality is far from unlikely, but it is worthy of a serious
and careful examination.
Please, if you want to adress correctly the subject ("Is new Coronavirus (COVID-19) a Biological Weapon blasted against the China’s economy?"),
make use of the only appropriate tools: methods of differentiation between natural and intentional epidemics.
Anything else is just moral biased rough guessing.
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Am very skeptical about your hypotheses, but currently, nothing is proven.
Heather Young added a reply

February 17
Christian, that is my point. Nothing is proven. So shouldn’t we follow the evidence as it emerges and make conclusions based on that?

February 17
Dear All,
When you address/reply on other's comment in this discussion, If you can mention his or her name first , it is highly appropriated.

February 17
Dear Yichi Hu
Is this abstract (a Covid-19 and conspiracy theory.pdf) a published one?

February 17
Dear Yichi Hu
Yes at this moment, this is probable method to handle this hypothesis. I am on the way for this.

February 17
Dear Shilin Zhang,
I don't like to blame US or any US Organization or Other country or Government without any evidence on this matter. I would like to make a polite
request you that please do not use any political related agendas in this discussion.
Dear Professor Christian G Meyer ,
Actually, the hypothesis of the biological attack is not MY hypothesis, it is just an eventuality that I think - and I demonstrated it - is worthy of being
taken into account.
I think that public debate on the subject (even among researchers) is misled: the question is "What did REALLY happen?", which is a nonsense
question without any evidence (and probably we will not have any evidence forever). Instead, I think that we must ask, as it is the standard procedure
according to literature, "What is the likelihood of every significant hypothesis?", without sticking to any of it.
If the contrary happened (i.e. all medias considering impossible the eventuality of the natural outbreak) I would have done the same (at your side),
demonstrating that it is not unlikely that the COVID-19 outbreak had a natural origin.
In fact, I am not moved by anti-Americanism, but by truth's sake: considering the American biological attack an unlikely conspiracy theory, as medias all
over the world say, is false, so it is a fake news. We must denounce it.
What do you think of my demonstrations? Are they rigorous? Is there any error?
I will highly appreciate your opinion.
Dear A. G. Piyal Aravinna ,
No, it has not been published yet. I have sent it to many medias (Italian, French, English, American...) without receiving even only a positive answer: an
Italian fact-checking website answered that it is true, but that they do not have the authority to contradict the BBC; another answered that I am a
Chinese spy (!).
If you think these demonstrations are rigorous can you recommend the article to the attention of a serious journalist or of an expert?
I think it is shameful for medias to continue spreading fake news on the biological attack as an unlikely conspiracy theory.
By the way: methods of differentiation are not just probable methods to handle this hypothesis, they are the only.
Dear Heather Young ,
In order to make conclusions we must have conclusive evidence: but normally biological attacks do not leave it. Sticking to the facts is unreasonable in
this case.
So the standard procedure followed by scientific community in suspect Unusual Epidemic Events, like the Covid-19 outbreak, is to apply a method of
differentiation, taking into account non-conclusive criteria.
Dear Yichi Hu ,
There are some important points in your abstract.
'Animals live for man': China's appetite for wildlife likely to survive virus
By Farah Master and Sophie Yu
Available at
https://www.yahoo.com/gma/plane-struggles-land-amid-powerful-042238672.html
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Walter Bliss added a reply February 19
Sure seems like sequencing it should answer the question.
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Walter Bliss added a reply February 19
It could just as easily be escaped from a Chinese bioweapons lab. Or just a natural occurrence. But sequencing it and analysis by governments should
have been done by now.
Victor Flores added a reply February 19
Dear Dr. AG Piyal,
This article is at the center of the hypothesis about the biological weapon or chimeric virus escaped from a laboratory and now out of control. As you
know, it describes a recombinant virus created, in which the gene encoding the spike glycoprotein of SARS virus was swapped with the gene from a bat
virus called SHC014.
In 2015 had been alerted to work with that virus and claimed that if she escaped, her path would be unpredictable.
This is the setting of a scientific article that influences the media debate.
Nat Med. 2015 Dec;21(12):1508-13. doi: 10.1038/nm.3985. Epub 2015 Nov 9.
A SARS-like cluster of circulating bat coronaviruses shows potential for human emergence.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26552008
Yichi Hu
*IF* this was a biological attack, why would you assume there would be no evidence?
Sure, obvious indications may not be available, but how is not looking for evidence and having experts make arguments supporting/refuting not worth
the time?
How is not looking for another hypothesis Not worth the exercise if it may reveal some previously unknown reservoir for disease that would be critical in
controlling and may provide additional insight?
And to take the mid-line hypothesis, since we already have peer-reviewed publications indicating CRISPR editing to change virulence in a pig
coronavirus, it would hardly be a stretch to consider that such a virus may have inadvertently escaped containment... possibly further mutated. Not
considering a variety of hypotheses is just irresponsible in any debate.
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It is the transition from a vertebrate animal to humans, as previously seen in SARS and MERS

February 19
@Heather Youn
Yes, As you mentiond,
"Not considering a variety of hypotheses is just irresponsible in any debate"
is an important point to be discussed.
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@Walter Bliss,
Thank you joining discussion with your believe.
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@Victor Flores
Yes, that paper discuss about "potential risk of SARS-CoV re-emergence from viruses currently circulating in bat populations"
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Christian, that is valid hypothesis. My concern is the addition of a novel sequence not previously found in any other CoV and how this event occurred...
and what specifically can/is harbouring the novel CoV and how exactly this novel sequence could have evolved. It seems unique past what is typically
seen, so determining that would have great implication in future monitoring/vaccine development.
Again, we could all speculate as to the origin, but I am personally more interested in the evolution/origin of this novel virus and what lesson we must
learn from this.
At this point, I don’t see evidence of an intermediate host/rather unique (historically) insertion of a novel sequence. And I have peer reviewed
publications using CRISPR technology to mutate other CoV’s at a facility near the origin of the outbreak.
I just don’t like guesswork. So I’ll keep following the papers... I was hoping for some more discussion based on the emerging evidence and not
speculation or what we hope was the actual origin.
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Thierry De Mees added a reply February 19
Dear all, one may call the annexed video "speculation", but it would be a very strong one.
In the Anglo-Saxon mission video, Bill Ryan explains in 2010 that there was an informal meeting in London City [one square mile] with 25 to 30 well-
known public authorities, to which a military (the wissleblower) was invited. In the meeting (2005) there was concern about the agenda timing of the
economical crisis planned in October 2008, the planned small exchange of nuclear arms in the Middle East (which didn't occur), and the decimating
virus to be launched in China.
Maybe the Corona virus confirms it, or it is only a test to see how the world reacts, for the final launch for depopulation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rw4z-rSwNjY
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February 19
Dear all, the good news seems to be:
Researchers at KU Leuven in Belgium have discovered that an existing malaria drug works against COVID-19, the disease caused by the 2019-nCoV
coronavirus.
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The world depopulation agenda in plain sight: Bill Gates' solution for the alleged man-made CO2 problem is exposed.
"Bill Gates Admits Vaccines Are Used for Human Depopulation".
https://www.ted.com/talks/bill_gates_innovating_to_zero/discussion
Watch until 5:00.
I found the following analysis annexed. See PDF file, please. Very shocking!
Very coincidentally, the Western youth has become very infertile (sperm cells count), while older generations aren't. So, it cannot be food, nor pollution,
nor medicines. However, altered baby/youth vaccines can explain the shift of the last decades.
Part of the program, sponsored by Bill Gates and Rockefeller, is the vaccination combined with an ID microchip. This is a way to have total control on
people, combined with the abolishment of physical money.
https://principia-scientific.org/id2020-alliance-will-combine-vaccinations-implantable-id-microchips/
https://www.biometricupdate.com/201909/id2020-and-partners-launch-program-to-provide-digital-id-with-vaccines
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February 19
We literally know nothing about the facts of this matter. We can only rely on statements of secretive organisations and governments who may have
reasons to lie, and have lied before (http://edition.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/10/01/guatemala.syphilis.tuskegee/index.html). Every rational person should
therefore be open to all plausible interpretations. I can think of several:
1) The virus escaped from the recently opened Wuhan maximum security virus research lab, but viruses don’t just escale level 4 bio-labs apart from
being carried away by a human host. We have no evidence such host existed and the search for patient Zero is ongoing.
2) The virus was released by an adversary of China, knowing well that the proximity of the new bio-lab working on SARS etc and bat viruses would be
first to attract the blame. Great cover...
3) China has released the virus intentionally as a test, live experiment or to achieve some strategic goal, although intuitively this does not make much
sense to me.
4) China has released the virus intentionally but in cooperation with global powers in some collective power play, geared to depopulation, forced global
economic crisis, and One World Government. This is far fetched but not implausbile.
5) The virus is a natural mutation of a bat virus. Such mutations and direct transmission to humans at this level of contagion and mortality are said to be
extremely rare but not impossible.
Any other ideas?
Dear all, I got this tip from the internet: please check this out: Soros IS invested a biotech lab in Wuhan and it is located on a 666 address.
WuXi PharmaTech Inc. 666 Gaoxin Road East Lake High-tech Development Zone Wuhan 430075, China
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1221581746027675648.html
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February 19
I found a study that does provide quite a bit of information.https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30251-8/fulltext
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Why don´t you check in the PubMed database - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed - with the search terms 2019-nCoV, COVID-19 or SARS-CoV-2 ?
You will find useful information on all aspects of the pathogen and the disease.
Dear Thierry De Mees,
Thank you for the comment. If you could discuss within the scope, It is highly appreciated.
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Another link: a book that was written in 1981 speaks about the Wuhan-400 virus to be launched in 2020. Dean Koontz - "The eyes of darkness"
https://twitter.com/AsadAliCh300/status/1229762040140619776?s=20
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Dear Michael Kowalik,
Thank you for mentioning you thinking.
Pls. go through previous answers for other ideas
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February 20
New "coincidences": the logo of a Biotech company in Wuhan is almost identical to the logo in the Movie/Game 'Resident Evil' in which virus infections
occasion people to become zombies. That logo hides the Templar's/Malta's (Hospitaliers) cross. Remember, the Templars found the procedure for the
first semi-global international banking system, which depleted France from its wealth.
Moreover, Corona is the anagram of Racoon. Racoon City is the place where the Movie/Game 'Resident Evil' happens.
Credit: http://www.camelotdaily.com/communist-chinese-biotech-company-behind-coronavirus/
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February 20
Last week, experts and funders from across the world met in Geneva to set priorities for COVID-19 research. Read about it here http://bit.ly/2HzC2If
@Anton Vrdoljak
Yes, that is very important for the fact findings

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February 20
When talking about anything, we need to remind ourselves that our knowledge about anything is restricted by our perceptions. That is to say, any
knowledge is only the recreation of our mind, and it already has nothing to do with the original object which our knowledge is based on. So, there might
be truth in nature, but there is definitely no truth in our knowledge about nature, or in our mind.
And our mind has a negative bias:
https://psycnet.apa.org/doiLanding?doi=10.1037%2F0033-2909.134.3.383
which is not good for our health.
So no matter how others treating you, good or bad, try to think everything and everyone in a good way, and keep a calm and peaceful mind. Not for the
others, but for our own health. Just as what Luigi Cornaro (1464-1566) stated in his discourses:
"I likewise did all that lay in my power, to avoid those evils, which we do not find it so easy to remove: melancholy, hatred, and other violent passions,
which appear to have the greatest influence on our bodies."
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Thierry De Mees
Generally, some journalist and writers keep their imaginations (borne in their minds) in Novels, Story books and Films. Sometime, with technological
development, those become truth.
But, I don’t think that scientist are working to make those imaginations truth. However, I don’t reject their influence on Science and technology.

February 20
Dear All,
As mentioned by Ligen Yu , " No matter how others treating you, good or bad, try to think everything and everyone in a good way, and keep a calm and
peaceful mind", We will do this discussion in peaceful manner without a bias.
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February 20
Ligen Yu You are assuming that there exists a natural world which is independent of minds. Nobody has ever perceived such a world. But even if such a
world does not exist (and, as you imply, the world ‘as we know it’ exists only in the mind) this does not mean that the collective reality of minds is not
objective for individual minds.
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February 20
The ignorance of comparing a fictional novel written 1981 to an actual tragic medical emergency in 2020 is astronomical. For example, if someone
writes a sci-fi novel in 2020 about China in the year 2040 with the power to send an asteroid hurling down on the USA, and then around the year 2040
an astroid coincidentally hits the Earth, the same type of ignorant, conspiracy theories will surface, where people who tend to this kind of nonsense will
"connect the dots" in fantasy. Connecting "dots" in this way is just self-delusional, total ignorance on display. I am really surprised to read this total
nonsense, conspiracy theory post on ResearchGate. This kind of nonsense hurts everyone, including ResearchGate. Please refrain from posting pure
and utter nonsense. (Of course, people will still continue to post this nonsense, we all know that. This is why unmoderated and poorly moderated social
media is bad for society).

February 20
Dear Michael Kowalik
You have got the exact message from me. That is, nobody has ever perceived the existence of the natural world doesn't mean such a world exists, or
does not exist. We simply don't know. What I know is, all the abstract conceptions like time, space, mass, ...., are the recreation of our mind, and are not
physical existence. They are just some images in our mind, not reality, and subject to change from "time" to "time".
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February 20
Ligen Yu I think it is not right to say that constructs of the mind are ‘not reality’, its just a different kind of reality to the idea of an externalist, natural
world. We could say that the natural world ‘as we collectively perceive it’ is the only reality.

February 20
Thierry De Mees
They are literally making a point of telling us what is going on, and what they are going to do. There is a kind of moral logic in that. If what it means to be
human is to be a rational, conscious agent (according to Kant) who values their own existence, then by being openly told that a great danger is coming
and we walk right into it, without preparation or even acknowledgement, then we are demonstrating that we are Not conscious, rational agents who
value their own existence, therefore not fully human, therefore of lower (or none) moral status, therefore implicitly justifying our own extermination. Is
this not akin to enacting the Last Judgement, separating wheat from the chaff? A wise man once said: “whoever has ears with which to hear, let him
hear.”
But this moral logic is still incorrect, because it does not fully prove the absence of humanity but only our susceptibility to denial, to toxic hope, to
indoctrination. To kill humans has a metaphysical cost for the killer even if the killer is justified in killing: it creates an inconsistency in the human identity
of the killer and thus diminishes his own agency. This moral logic is therefore self-defeating, dehumanising the very individual who would rely on it to
exterminate others. Those who destroy others are ultimately destroying themselves.
Article Ontological-Transcendental Defence of Metanormative Realism
Joshua O. Ighalo added a reply

February 20
This is highly unlikely. Bioweapon? Please highly unlikely
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Kamoru A. Adedokun added a reply

February 20
I consider this as part of 'infodemic' which may weaken our focus in tackling the epidemic. However, while these are assumed as possibilities by some,
most times we close our eyes against some insinuations that may jeopardize global focus in resolving a problem with due attention. The info may also
cause more danger than the outbreak. In the same Asian nations, MERS, SARS etc had occurred, then were they economic-targeted?. Ebola in West
African since 1976 not finally abated, is it against buoyant economic that is seemingly not existing?. Having buttressed against this as unscientific, we
should be careful from triggering or fueling another global global pandemonium.
Ravee Art Phoewhawm added a reply

February 20
No, this is another chapter in history (the black plague, AIDS, SARS, etc.) that challenges all of us to find a medical cure while preserving our human
sanity to work with others from a diverse background.
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February 20
Dear Joshua O. Ighalo, Kamoru A. Adedokun and Ravee Art Phoewhawm ,
Thank you for joining the discussion. This is the most accepted answer.
According to the most of the logical points coming from matured scientist and analysts, this Corona virus outbreak is not a Biological
Weapon Attack.
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Ravee Art Phoewhawm added a reply February 20
@A.G. Piyal: You're most welcome
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February 20
There are many people who enjoy the media version of reality. Indeed it is much more fun to believe in the media version of reality. It is more pleasant
to believe in a friendly government and friendly billionaires. It is more pleasant to believe there are no conspiracies and that everything is exactly the
way it is portrayed on television and in the media, and these people will look at those who believe in conspiracies as though they are lunatics, and those
who understand the conspiracies look at these entities as though they are naive, wishful-thinking people who live in La-La Land.
There are many people walking around with their heads in the clouds, believing in La-La Land, but who have very snobbish attitude about it, and look
down at those who are groveling in the dirt, or whose friends have been killed or whose actions and studies and research has led them to recognize the
world is not a very pleasant place, but could be better, if we would simply all work together to make it so.
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February 20
What????
Dear Thierry De Mees
IF you could conclude your idea using few words, It is highly appreciated.
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Michael Patriksson added a reply

February 20
The tin-foil hat was invented specifically for this purpose.
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Grzegorz Boczkaj added a reply

February 20
Yes @Thierry de Mees - summary please.
Regards
GB
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February 20
Dear all, when one believes that everything is occurring according to natural and controllable laws, and comply with Monte Carlo simulations, one may
believe that we live in a world of which we see all that happens by official channels. But the real story is different.
"We acknowledge there are criminals, of course.
They rob your house, they steal your phone, they can murder you too if they think they can get away with it.
We have all experienced criminals in one way or another.
Criminals, as we know, are those who choose personal gain over the rights of others with no regard for laws.
But here's where you need to expand your thinking.

Criminals can also succeed in business and politics, and can be elected as our leaders."
Also George Soros wrote books in order to “analyse” how the financial crisis would have been occurred so "unexpectedly”. However, a testimony from
an unexpected side shows what really has been going on for many years:
In this Anglo-Saxon mission video, Bill Ryan explains (in 2010) that there was an informal unofficial meeting in London City with 25-30 well-known public
people, to which also a military was invited. In that meeting (in 2005) there was great concern on the timing of their agenda for the planned economical
crisis for October 2008, the planned small exchange of nuclear arms in the Middle East (which didn't occur), and the decimating virus to be launched in
China.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rw4z-rSwNjY
It is the top of the iceberg of what really happens and we don't know. By very small steps, our freedom is being taken away, in order that we don't
suspect it, and when it will be there, it will be too late. The middle class is being destroyed by supermarkets, globalism, super-corporations and
monopolies. Only the super-rich and the poor will subsist.
When George Bush senior repeatedly talked about the New World Order in which the “law of order” would prevail, we see since a year and 11 weeks
that in France, the mainstream media doesn't report the weekly street protests in the whole country, where police shoots with rubber bullets on the
heads, causing cranial trauma and lost eyes; they spray lacrimogen gas on peacefully sitting youth, stick-stabbing them, arrest them. Neither does the
media report the farmer protests in The Netherlands, Greece, Grenada, and protests in Iran against the regime.
The law of order is prevailing, but the media are controlled by some elite, not by the people.
When the Pope recently claimed that familial education should be replaced by “educational villages”, and the religions should group, we are in the NWO
narrative. When the Pope talks about “the architects of international policy and world economy”, can anyone tell me who these are, the “architects of
international policy”? The “architects of world economy”? The Rothschilds?
When Bill Gates claims that his vaccination programs reduce the population growth, we are in the NWO narrative. When Bill Bates uses his id2020-
alliance (co-funded by Rockefeller) that will combine vaccinations with implantable ID microchips, we are in the NWO narrative. When Kissinger says
that "Obama's task will be to create a strategy where a New World Order can be created", what do you think that this means? Why are the Democrats
by all possible means trying to remove Trump? Hillary had to finish Obama's job with its worthless health-care system, the doubling of the U.S. dept,
and much more. Why are all Sanctuary Cities in the States run by Democrat governors/mayors? Define Socialism. Define Communism. Define
totalitarism.
Time to wake up!
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February 20
If you are a researcher able to rapidly investigate new approaches for preventing and controlling COVID-19, see Wellcome's funding
call: http://bit.ly/2V4b2Zf
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Dear Thierry De Mees,
Your logical points (given in 1-7 paragraphs) in are correct and acceptable. However, I am not going to comment other political points futher.
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February 21
There you have it !
Biologists Botao Xiao and Lei Xiao, published a pre-print entitled "The possible origins of 2019-nCoV coronavirus”, in the report they described how “the
killer coronavirus probably originated from a laboratory in Wuhan”.
The report added: “We noted two laboratories conducting research on bat coronavirus in Wuhan, one of which was only 280 metres from the seafood
market.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1242801/coronavirus-lab-leak-chinese-pathogen-laboratory-scientists-wuhan-wet-market-bioweapon
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February 21
Everyone of us has a strong immune system and self-healing capacity. This immune system is becoming more and more stronger when we are ageing.
So normally we should be much healthier than we were young when we are old, and an virus like Covid-19 should not be a threaten to anyone of us.
But most of us have developed latent or symbolic metabolic syndromes when we are ageing, which is a result of over-nutrition, and our immune system
is weakened. At such conditions, any virus like the flu virus can also be a life-threatening danger.
So try to eat less and cure our metabolic syndromes. I wish all of us have a healthy and favourable happy life towards a great age.

February 21
@Thierry De Mees: Is virology your field of experience? No, it is not, you have no idea about it; you are just a layperson without any relevant experience
in infectious diseases and epidemiology. Please, stop spreading your nonsense and preprints which have not undergone peer review.

February 21
Anton Vrdoljak
This type of funding scheme is very important for Scientific Fact-finding mission too, and it is essential to defeat the conspiracy theory through scientific
mission.
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February 21
Dear A. G. Piyal Aravinna
Why do you think there is a need to defeat the conspiracy theory?
My personal understanding is, conspiracy theory is a belief, and the persons who believe in conspiracy theory have already been defeated by the
imaginary evil created by their own mind. We all face different kinds of uncertainties in our daily life. Conspiracy theory is just an indication of a person’s
inability in handling such uncertainties. So the persons trapped in conspiracy theory need help, not defeat.

February 21
Dear Ligen Yu ,
You are correct.
Actually idea is not to defeat the "conspiracy theory" but to defeat this hypothesis.
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February 21
Whom does it profit to claim with lots of vigor and energy that the deception crime is in fact a " conspiracy theory"? The criminal deceiver.
They count on the fact that the people think that they live in La-La Land, and they do everything that is in their power to maintain that belief. They're
trying to silence the others.
Let that sink in.
This thread is not just about virology, nor about scientific generalizations that have been peer-reviewed long time ago. The research about an
investigation regarding a possible criminal act that occurred less than 2 months ago, can evidently not lead to "peer reviewed" publications within less
than several months, if any at all.
Claiming to have the truth through "peer reviewed publications" can account for numerous failures on scientific advance, blocking science for
sometimes more than a century from advancing. There are thousands of such papers in certain domains of science.
Claiming to have the truth through "peer reviewed publications" is simply trying to get a "consensus".
And "consensus" is the acknowledgment of who detains the power regarding a subject. Nothing more.

February 22
Dangerous nature of transition of Coronavirus
"Chinese researchers just confirmed that patients can transmit the Coronavirus without showing symptoms. A woman passed it to 5
relatives"
Available @
https://www.yahoo.com/news/chinese-researchers-just-confirmed-patients-235800707.html
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Roman Bohdan Hołyński added a reply

February 22
"Peer"-reviewed publications do not have monopoly - in this respect I agree with Thierry. But I also agree with Christian that conspiracy theories may be
more dangerous than the epidemic itself! Moreover, there is no need to suspect any deliberate crime, even if it is proven (is it???) that "the killer
coronavirus ... originated from a laboratory in Wuhan”: even then much more probable is unfortunate accidental "escape" of the virus from the
laboratory!
Dear Roman Bohdan Hołyński
As you mentioned in your answers above, [ if it is proven (is it???) that "the killer coronavirus ... originated from a laboratory in Wuhan”: even then
much more probable is unfortunate accidental "escape" of the virus from the laboratory!]
if it is possibly to do an investigation on above by responsible organization to BWC is important.
If anybody (joining in this discussion) have enough experience/knowledge to comment/join the discussion available at the link given below,
you are welcome.
https://www.researchgate.net/post/Ability_to_provide_assistance_for_Scientific_Fact-Finding_of_COVID-
19_outbreak_under_the_Article_X_of_Biological_Weapon_Convention_BWC
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February 22
Dear Thierry De Mees ,
I have also watched the report from the Chinese Central TV saying that Chloroquine can be used to treat COVID-19. Thank you for sharing such great
information!
The danger of talking about "deception crime" at such a critical time is, it intensifies the fear of the ordinary people, and makes the people lost their trust
to the authority. In any emergency, fear is the most dangerous enemy. At emergency, life or death is determined just by one's instant decision, and fever
will drive people make the wrong decision. Also, at a national emergency, only the government has the ability to tangle the problem, but this is also
relaying on the people’s full trust to the government. Otherwise, fear and chaos will take away more people’s lives than the virous itself.

February 22
Dear Ligen Yu , dear all, this is precisely the point that I want to make. Look at the horrible videos of the Wuhan people locked up in their large buildings
and shouting all night through their windows, look at the hysteric police if someone walks out (a demented old man) without a protective mask. Look at
the desperate people everywhere in Asia. Look at the media videos that stage fast evacuations into hospitals, while in fact, local mobile phones busted
these scenes. People are simply locked up in their buildings.
By creating fear, real and massive fear in large areas, or worldwide, as now with the Corona virus, or with dramatic terrorist attacks at unexpected
moments in large cities, everyone looks at the governments that should react, the WHO that should react, and we would almost give our soul away to
them, in order to be saved and preserved from attacks.
We cannot do anything without their organization, except washing our hand or wear a mask and stay in our homes. It not only shows the distrust in
government, but confirms how people are fooled.
That is precisely what allows the introduction of the New World Order, by tiny steps.
Did you forget that 9/11 was the inside job, where the WTC-1, -2, and -7 have had a controlled demolition by explosives inside the buildings? (Besides
all the physical evidence, why did Trump say to Jeb Bush (who defended his brother) during the preliminary Republican elections: "9/11 was wrong"?)
Such an event as 9/11 allowed to create the required conditions for martial law, depriving liberties for international and national flights, introduce
intrusive DNA-registering or DNA-altering body scanners in airports (using TeraHz technology, a George Soros business), introducing military and police
controls in the streets by high numbers, and a "state of war" against an enemy chosen by the State, totally destabilizing the Middle East.
Why did the alleged “war on drugs” never reach any result at all? Because the highest functions are/were occupied by those who organized it! Why do
the Democrats want open borders? To create turmoil to find ways for reducing liberties and rising taxes.
Right now, the Vatican organizes an initiative to disrupt the education of children by their family, and to replace it by an "educational village". Remember
Nazi Germany!
Now farmers are revolting all over Europe, the yellow vests in France hold massive strikes and street protests since one year and 11 weeks now,
followed by lawyers, judges, firemen, .... Not reported by the media.
Again, time to wake up! It is not about politics, it is about the stepwise, very destruction of existentialism!
Of course, telling this to people that are right now in great fear, is not the right timing, but hiding it until/when the general fear is lower, is again waiting
for better times and remain in ignorance by continuing business as usual. Knowledge protects from fear, because it rationalizes it, by seeing through the
surface, and it allows, when many people realize it before it is too late, to change our world.

February 22
Even though, your some comments are not relevant for this discussion, there are some important logical points in your write up. Thank you for
straightforward comments, and I think that you have completed your duty now.
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February 22
" maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature."
Georgia Guidestones
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones

February 22
China's secret gold-backed cryptocurrency to destroy U.S. dollar.
https://www.kitco.com/news/2019-11-01/China-s-secret-gold-backed-cryptocurrency-to-destroy-U-S-dollar-skyrocketing-gold-prices-Max-Keiser.html
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Dutch Dekkers added a reply February 23
Article A SARS-like cluster of circulating bat coronaviruses shows p...
This 2015 science-paper describes both the process and the feasibility of a laboratory-manipulated strand which can spread among humans. One
should never discard any possible cause without supporting evidence. To simply declare that any consideration of the possibility of a laboratory-
produced origin is quote nonsense, and unwanted conspiracy theory unquote as Christian Meyer does in this discussion, is unsound and unscientific.
Fact is: The 2015 research paper evidences it is a possibility. If investigated and proved true, international action can aid in avoiding repeat events --
whether this current event was premeditated or accidental.
Dear Dutch Dekkers
Thank you for your wider vision.
I really appreciate this vision that the Scientist and Analysts need today.
Duty of unbiased scientific community is to promote this answer.

February 23
Dear All, (Adhara Lazaro,
Andrea Rossi, Aurelio Hess,
Boniface B. N. Umeadi
Carlos Méndez-Esteban
Chinaza Godswill Awuchi
Craig Refugio
Ege Baran Coşkun
Hassan Lashkari
Hülya Oztürk
Iasonas Hitzazis
Kamoru A. Adedokun
Luis Alessandro Guariento
Malik N Hawas
Mamoona Mazhar
Mayson Al-Hadraawy
Muhammad Akram
Muhammad Bilal
Munaf D. F. Al-Aseebee
Nino Durglishvili
Oday Hasan Ali Al-Jammaas
Priya Ranjan
R.T Kamorudeen
Rose Asayas Arceño
Sadanand Pandey
Serdar Yuksel
Stephen I. Ternyik
Waleed Alawsey
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If you could go through Dutch Dekkers 's reply it is appreciated.
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Karine de Castro added a reply

February 23
Dear Yichi Hu,
Thank you for your analysis. It’s a good read. Despite the lack of hard evidence, which you have justified brilliantly, you have made very valid points.
The geopolitical aspect in this matter provides a much bigger picture than some isolated microbiological facts. Thank you again. You should try to
publish it in a newspaper (the independent) or other media outlet. It is important to challenge people’s view and mind and make them think harder.
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Dear A. G. Piyal Aravinna , thank you for your appreciation. My comments are/were indeed fully relevant for this discussion. New information will be
posted at due time, and maybe I have completed my duty, maybe not.
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Volodymyr Krasnoholovets added a reply February 23
How a civilised state in which the government takes care of its citizens will be able to stop any kind of infection illness? It seems the major action is to
lock the illness at the entrance to the body. However, instead of this logical action, modern civilized people prefer to run the disease inside the body and
then treat the body, including searching for a vaccine or some pharmacological drugs.
In a country where the government is friends with both head and nature, the problems with Health Care have to look as follows.
1) In each clinic, school, office and other institutions there has to be installed a laser system with the therapeutic functions like a laser system "Gelios" /
or "Helios" invented by Dr. Yuri Zabulnov and collaborators just after the Chornobyl disaster. In the end of 1980s and the beginning of 1990s totally over
300,000 people were treated after the radiation damage. The named laser system inclused three laser beams in one beam and is able to treat up to 8
persons simultaneously. NOTE: the laser therapy represents monotherapy! That is, using laser, which irradiates blood and other organs via the skin, the
one does not need any other methods to treat the one's body. No any medicals are needed because the laser beams increase the number of T-cells (T-
limphocites) up to 200 times and the T-cells themselves solve any problems in the organism.
2) Information Therapy. A short description can be found in the web site below (it is under development yet): https://information-
therapy.webnode.com.ua
3) Drinking water with a high negative value of redox potential. Here is the description: http://hydridfortis.simdif.com
4) A gel from grape skins. The grape skin includes over 40 microelements and also resveratrol, which is a natural phytoalexin derivative of trans-
stilbene, and other polyphenols. These polyphenols are synthesized by some plants as a protective reaction against parasites, such as bacteria or
fungi. However, though grape skin is a extemely remakable product, it is still waste in agriculture industry. It is nit easy to crash the skin to submicron
particles, such that the available in it healthy components become fully absorbed by the body (my colleagues and I posses a technology, but there is no
access to funds).
These named 4 medical actions are able to provide almost 99% of the population of the reasonable country against any epidemic disease: flu, cancer,
diabetes, dementia, etc.
The only problem is: Where to find the so-clever country?..
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February 24
I am sorry, but with so many dubious and shady statements made in this thread I have to unfollow. Some of the comments are just nonsense. Full stop.
Karine de Castro added a reply February 24
Christian meyer, doing research in epidemiology and infectious disease gives you skills and expertise on these subjects. Very well! However, it seems
that this very expertise has not equipped you with a critical mind to think in more depth about the geopolitical issues of our time and this is maybe why
you have come up with only a couple of words to the debate namely “this is nonsense” but you have failed to provide a robust argument based on
evidence to prove that this virus cannot have been made by men and utilised as a bioweapon. As a scientist how is it possible that you are not even
open to suggestions or even questioning? How come a scientist like you only comes up to a serious debate with “this is nonsense”. That’s not very
academical is it? Research only suggests that this virus MIGHT have come from bats but no scientist is claiming this is for sure. Therefore, where are
the evidence professor?
Ligen Yu added a reply February 24
Fully agree with Prof Meyer that any speculation without solid scientific evidence is just nonsense. And a biased nonsense is more dangerous than the
epidemic itself. So any responsible person should just ignore such nonsense.

February 24
New research suggests the Virus did not originate from the Wuhan seafood market:
Press article: https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1180429.shtml
The paper: http://www.chinaxiv.org/abs/202002.00033
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February 24
Yes, sometime, scientist will find the final answer for the discussion in future. It is difficult to mentioned a time frame for that. Open unbiased
discussion and investigations, and research are essential for a final decision.
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February 24
Dear Karine de Castro,
Thank you for your important comment provided in this discussion. We need comment from both scientist and analysts.
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February 24
Dear Volodymyr Krasnoholovets ,
Even though you’re little bit out of the scope of the discussion, your comment on Health Care is appreciated.
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February 24
Dear All,
Even though, I am not fully agree with Christian G Meyer 's first answer (Also, that is the first answer posted in this discussion), I agreed with his
scientific explanation given as Virologist/scientist throughout this discussion.
However, up to now, RG community participated in this discussion has recommended that answer as the second popular reply.
Further more, I am looking forward you your further scientific comments throughout the discussion.
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Dear Michael Kowalik ,
Thank you for the information.
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February 24
Dear All,
Manuscript, " Decoding the evolution and transmissions of the novel pneumonia coronavirus (SARS-CoV-2) using whole genomic data"
available at http://www.chinaxiv.org/abs/202002.00033
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February 24
There is a scientific study that the new coronavirus (COVID-19) was formed by replacing a coronavis similar to SARS and MERS [1]. According to this
study, 4 new RNA sequences were added into the COVID-19 genome. These sequences are not available in other types of coronavirus. This suggests
manipulation [2]. Also, the PI (isoelectric point) values of the amino acids expressed from these 4 RNA sequences, which are thought to be added, are
similarly around 10. Pl value or IEP values are used to account for virus sorption processes. The value of Pl allows this virus to attach to respiratory
cells better [3]. This study also shows that COVID-19 does not follow an unconventional evolutionary process [4]. In another study published in the
journal Nature in 2015 [5], this virus is mentioned as an exact virus strain. Attention is drawn to the danger [6]. Another study published in 2020 states
that the source of the virus is not the live food market of Wuhan [7, 8]. As a result; this virus is not the product of the normal evolutionary process, its
source is uncertain, the extra sequences in its genome have increased its virulence, can these situations be explained by chance? In my personal
opinion, it is not that coincidence.
1. (Uncanny similarity of unique inserts in the 2019-nCoV spike protein to HIV-1 gp120 and Gag):
2. “Our analysis of the spike glycoprotein of 2019-nCoV revealed several interesting findings: First, we identified 4 unique inserts in the 2019-nCoV
spike glycoprotein that are not present in any other coronavirus reported till date. To our surprise, all the 4 inserts in the 2019-nCoV mapped to
author/funder. It is made available under a CC-BY-NC-ND 4.0 International license. bioRxiv preprint doi: https://doi.org/10.1101/2020.01.30.927871. The
copyright holder for this preprint (which was not peer-reviewed) is the short segments of amino acids in the HIV-1 gp120 and Gag among all annotated
virus proteins in the NCBI database.”
3. “Of note, all the 4 inserts have pI values of around 10 that may facilitate virus-host interactions.”
4. "Taken together, our findings suggest unconventional evolution of 2019-nCoV that warrants further investigation.”
5. (A SARS-like cluster of circulating bat coronaviruses shows potential for human emergence):
6. The results indicate that group 2b viruses encoding the SHC014 spike in a wild-type backbone can efficiently use multiple orthologs of the SARS
receptor human angiotensin converting enzyme II (ACE2), replicate efficiently in primary human airway cells and achieve in vitro titers equivalent to
epidemic strains of SARS-CoV. Additionally, in vivo experiments demonstrate replication of the chimeric virus in mouse lung with notable pathogenesis.
Evaluation of available SARS-based immune therapeutic and prophylactic modalities revealed poor efficacy; both monoclonal antibody and vaccine
approaches failed to neutralize and protect from infection with CoVs using the novel spike protein. On the basis of these findings, we synthetically re
derived an infectious full-length SHC014 recombinant virus and demonstrate robust viral replication both in vitro and in vivo. Our work suggests a
potential risk of SARS-CoV re-emergence from viruses currently circulating in bat populations.
7. (Decoding evolution and transmissions of novel pneumonia coronavirus using the whole genomic data):
8. Interpretation. Genomic variations of SARS-CoV-2 are still low in comparisons with published genomes of SARS-CoV and MERS-CoV.
Phyloepidemiologic analyses indicated the SARS-CoV-2 source at the Hua Nan market should be imported from other places.
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February 24
Dear Serdar Yuksel ,
If you could add your references, it is very important.
Further, If you could copy your answer to the discussion available at the link given below, it important to the scientific community.
https://www.researchgate.net/post/Ability_of_conversion_of_genes_of_Coronavirus_group_to_novel_Coronavirus_2019-nCoV_named_as_COVID-
19_by_WHO_by_genetic_engineering

February 24
@Serdar Yuksel : Please check your weird copy-paste grammar; e.g. "The copyright holder for this preprint (which was not peer-reviewed) is the short
segments of amino acids...." There are many more examples
Arshia Karami added a reply February 24
@ A. G. Piyal Aravinna
I'm sorry for interrupting the post but I couldn't just walk away " Even though you’re little bit out of the scope of the discussion! ". I don't think that you
had bad intentions in mind but really anybody familiar with scientific method and good knowledge is aloud to think and share that. dont get mad but plz
dazzle people with ur knowledge not ur background.and by the way thanx for the Question it makes it very easier for others to get a good scope and
also save time.
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February 24
Dear Arshia Karami,
Thank you for sharing your comment in the discussion.
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Claudio Messori added a reply

6 days ago
The following analysis claims evidence that SARS-CoV-2 is not a laboratory construct nor a purposefully manipulated virus: Kristian G. Andersen et Al
(Feb. 2020), The Proximal Origin of SARS-CoV-2
http://virological.org/t/the-proximal-origin-of-sars-cov-2/398
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Dear Claudio Messori ,
Thank you for sharing information. I will go through it.
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6 days ago
So, only if the key residues in the RBD of SARS-CoV-2 would be optimal for human ACE2 receptor binding, it can come from a laboratory? Is that a
sound reasoning?
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6 days ago
I would think that is possible, but by no means definitive.
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Ismael Joseph added a reply 6 days ago
I am particularly interested in the collateral damage of a possible use of biological weapons (BW) for Haitians living in Haiti.
Mostafa Dianatinasab added a reply

6 days ago
Dear all,
We can not approve nor reject this theory. However, I think its highly unlikely to consider COVID-2019 as a biological weapon. If I'm not mistaken, the
outbreak of this virus has been predicted. This statemtnt is statement dangerous than the epidemic itself !
Best,
Michael Kowalik added a reply 6 days ago
A good biological weapon would surely be designed to look like a natural mutation. In today’s world of high technology, surveillance and unstoppable
communication, plausible deniability is the primary feature of any subversive action.

6 days ago
Ismael Joseph Why Haiti?
i suspect they will be impacted in similar ways to a similar demographic. I’m not sure what would be different?
Levent Kenar added a reply 6 days ago
How can you confirm that the virus is manmade microorganism, that is, produced in the lab? What kind of analysis should you perform to differentiate
the natural eerged virus with the virus cretaed in the lab?
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5 days ago
Heather Young Because Haiti has become an open air laboratory that attracts all kind of curiosities . The great weakness of local authorities makes it
difficult to monitor compliance with standards, whatever the externalities or the level of violation of the principle of intergenerational equity. Haiti has a
failing health system. The habits of the population are mainly inspired by naivety and mysticism and it is not research around cholera that will say the
opposite.
A. G. Piyal Aravinna added a reply 5 days ago
Dear Mostafa Dianatinasab,
Thank you for sharing your comments in the discussion.
This is only an open discussion.
Still no clear evidence for BW attack.
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5 days ago
Ismael Joseph I’m not sure what one would hope to gain with a biological attack against a country like Haiti (please feel free to elaborate as I admittedly
don’t know enough to make an educated opinion on the topic). I would have to know the intended target/motivation, but I would imagine (depending on
the mechanism of transmission), there would be a high risks in any highly populated region with inconsistent PH measures.
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5 days ago
My concern is not an attack against Haiti itself. But Collateral damage that can be caused by attacking a country which has comercial or other kind link
with Haiti. Where virus can be spread
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5 days ago
I am very sure that such an epidemic (or pandemic) would hit Haiti (but also many countries in sub-Saharan Africa) very hard, as the health systems are
not that stable as in other countries. Let´s hope for the best - and my kind greetings to Port-au-Prince! By the way, I am strongly convinced that the
currently spreading virus is not (!!!) a biological weapon.

5 days ago
"All 645 Indian evacuees from Wuhan test negative for coronavirus":
https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/all-645-evacuees-test-negative-for-coronavirus/article30755509.ece
I would like to say that a strong immunity accounts for this.
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5 days ago
Ismael - sorry, I misunderstood!
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5 days ago
Christian G Meyer Thank you for your concern.
Dear Levent Kenar ,
Thank you for your questions. Please follow the answers/comment provided by
Yichi Hu . You can find an considerable answer
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5 days ago
Heather Young I understand and thank you.
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Morteza Kazemi added a reply

5 days ago
I don't know this virus is BW or not, but it is very scary at least to me.
I live in Tehran. this city usually has crowded streets, but now almost empty and silent. I not going to work from yesterday because of I suspicious I
infected too.
I am an engineer, not a doctor please find a way to stop it then you have a lot of time to discuss and decide about it.
As mentioned by Christian G Meyer , countries with low health care are at high risk for spreading this virus, I think that WHO should take immediate
action to mitigate the dispersion of Corona virus in African continental and developing country.

5 days ago
Dear Morteza Kazemi ,
I am very sad about the present and past situations of your country. If I can help you, I will do my best.
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4 days ago
Dear Morteza Kazemi
No matter if you have been infected or not, try to follow the Luigi Cornaro diet described in my book:
Book Book on Luigi Cornaro Diet for An Anorexia Nervosa Patient -...
This is an preventative measure.
The problem with any virus infection is, it eventually will transform into super-bacteria infection in the respiratory tract in certain patient, and the patient
will gradually lose his breath.
This is because all our body surface, including the respiratory tract, is covered by a layer of bacteria, which are opportunistic pathogens. They do no
harm to us when we are healthy (because healthy epithelial cells will perform xenophagy to stop any possible infection). But when there is virus
infection, a lot of dysfunctional or dead epithelial cells will be created, and the bacteria will feed on these dysfunctional or dead epithelial cells, grow their
population in enormous quantity, occupy the whole respiratory tract, and make the patient out of breath.
As preventative measure, the Luigi Cornaro diet is able to trigger autophagy inside our body, and remove the dysfunctional or dead epithelial cells as
many as possible every day, and restore the healthy epithelial cells in the respiratory tract. Autophagy will not stop the virus infecton, but it can largely
prevent the bacteria infection:
Article Autophagy-A free meal in sickness-associated anorexia
Article Sickness-Associated Anorexia: Mother Nature’s Idea of Immunonutrition?
If you need more information on the Luigi Cornaro diet, you may send message to me.
Deal All, this preventative measure does not serve as a medical advice. If you are already sick, please consult your doctors and follow their
instructions.
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Valeria Tananska added a reply

4 days ago
There is little sound data on the virus, yet so much speculation...
I can see how some analysts may consider human intervention due to incessant interviews with various medical and political specialists on the matter.
Different people - different opinions. The answer depends on the mindset and past, as well as present affiliations of the interviewee.
It is true that every national healthcare system is based on patient rotation at any given time rather than a mad rush to cater for everyone all at once.
However, in every country, there is also a national reserve and emergency mechanisms that could be deployed with or without the aid of the military - to
install order and rule observation, rather than initiate a military situation.
How well the emergency system works depends on organization, relevant provision rationing, and patient compliance.
Medicine is a critical sector for every state as it ensures the health of its citizens. As such, it should have a special, sponsored and protected by the
state status outside emergency cases.
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Dear Valeria Tananska
Thank you for sharing your comments in the discussion.
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4 days ago
Antibiotics is ineffective for such bacterial infection, because 1) the bacteria are outside our body in the respiratory tract; 2) antibiotics is not able to
remove the dysfunctional and dead epithelial cells in the respiratory tract.
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Valeria Tananska added a reply 4 days ago
Yes. I realize that this is not what some of you may want to hear, but...
There is the reality of state medical emergency response vs. the opinion/ fears of people outside the medical and government fields.
We may be a bit away from experiencing viable human-engineered viruses, as our understanding of human genetics is still on-going...The spread and
impact of such a virus would be too unpredictable.
So, please, let us calm down on supposed sinister plans of one group attacking another, for whatever reason...
As to the economic impact of the currently spreading virus - it is already understood - the more dependent a country is on imported goods and services,
the worse off it is in a rupture of supply chains.
There is a solution to this however, if national companies are flexible enough to temporarily fill the gaps with existing machinery, primary materials and
transport.
Just complaining about an issue would not do... :)

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4 days ago
I agree with the position of @ Christian G Meyer. In my opinion COVID 19 would do much more damage in low-income countries where the health and
sanitary situation is critical. Hopefully WHO can harness scientists and other means to stop the spread of the virus.
Zeyad T. Al-Rassam added a reply 4 days ago
I am not sure, but it remains a real problem that needs international cooperation to control the disease.
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4 days ago
@Ligen Yu: COVID-19 is not a bacterial infection, but a viral infection caused by SARS-CoV-2. And if it were a bacterial infection, of course antibiotics
would help!! Please, no wrong information!!!!! This is not helpful and contributes to confusion.

4 days ago
Dear Ligen Yu,
Are you talking about the secondary infestions ？
Ligen Yu added a reply 3 days ago
Dear Prof Meyer:
Thank you for your critics. You are right. I have just checked some publication on COVID-19 research. SARS-CoV-2 is the main infection for COVID-19,
and bacterial infection is not found in most of the COVID-19 cases.
Yet, I still think restrictive eating should be promoted. As restrictive eating reduces metabolic syndrome (which may complicate the SARS-CoV-2 viral
infection) and promotes recovery.
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Ligen Yu added a reply 3 days ago
Dear A. G. Piyal Aravinna

Yes, I am talking about the secondary infections. Bacteria infection is a common complication in influenza:
Article The amazing innate immune response to influenza A virus infection

3 days ago
Dear Chantelle Jepson
COVID-19 and the case you provided are two different issues, and we shouldn’t mix them together.
COVID-19 is the common enemy of human being, all nations are under the same threat, and we need to cooperate together to fight this COVID-19
threat.
Also conspiracy and conspiracy theory are two different issues. conspiracies are everywhere, as each person/every nation has his/its own interest. But
conspiracy theory is an ideology/belief. The difference is analogy to suspicion and skepticism. Every one of us have suspicion about something now and
then, but not every one of us are skeptics.

3 days ago
Ligen Yu Interesting paper, thank you. A particularly curious finding: “prior infection of mice with Bordetella pertussis markedly worsened the course of
subsequent IAV infection by a pertussis-toxin mediated suppression of innate immunity.” This was in the context of vaccination. Seems to confirm
previous findings that certain vaccinations increase susceptibility to other strains:
Article Increased Risk of Noninfluenza Respiratory Virus Infections ...

3 days ago
Dear Chantelle Jepson,
Thank you for keeping your eyes open. It is a today need.
However, Ligen Yu has given a very good clarification for the matter. So, to date, no clear evidence to say that this is a criminal.
Further more, we will allow to time.
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Nadeem Ahmad Khan added a reply 3 days ago
Yes
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Araz Mohammad Davoodipoor added a reply

2 days ago
Dear prof meyer:

I have question from you:
I’m working in pharmacy in iran,and i see every day that ,infectious disease specialists prescrip "hydroxychloroquine" for patients suspected
of coronavirus.is it effective on this novel virus?
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2 days ago
Araz Mohammad Davoodipoor There are some studies indicating that chloroquine may be effective, but larger clinical trials need to be performed

1 day ago
Dear Prof Meyer
Is there any research so far exploring the mechanism why patients ≥ 60 years of age are at higher risk than children? Is it because old patients are
more burdened with other illness?

1 day ago
Yes, Sir. Older individuals have frequentlyadditional medical conditions, such as hypertension, COPD, diabetes T2, disitinct heart and cardiovasuclar
conditions and others, significantlly predsposing to weaker immune responses. All of these conditions will make supportive treatment (there is so far not
any approved specific treatment available) more difficult. Just imagine an 80 years old patient on a respirator machine: complcations can be foreseen
(e.g. nosocomial superinfections).
Ehsan Namaziandost added a reply

1 day ago
Although it can be a dangerous claim, we can not accept or reject it. However, I think it is better, at this time, to think, to cooperate, to consult on how to
get rid of it.

1 day ago
Dear Chantelle Jepson,
Thank your for your unbiased statement.
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17 hours ago
Dear @Michael Kowalik
You have pointed out a very interesting issue about vaccination. This reflects the complex individual-specific interaction of viruses with the multi-layer of
the host immune system, especially the adaptive immunity. Vaccination may not be a magic pill for all different Kinds of viral infections. For COVID-19,
children under 10 years old have much more mild symptoms than adults. Which means that a strong but hardened adaptive immunity may deteriorate
the COVID-19 Disease.
Carlos Méndez-Esteban added a reply

17 hours ago
Any of you, experts on virus, can assess and clarify the danger on human health of this covid-19 virus?.
Can it cause death to an average person without antecedents of illness, and in mid ages, 30 to 55?. Is it inocuous to children?
I think that mortality is only on old people and risk groups, almost like a vulgar flu.
Can this covid-19 be compared to a vulgar flu?
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15 hours ago
Dear Carlos Méndez-Esteban,
Unlike influenza, the virus causes severe pneumonia.
COVID-19 does not undergo a shift mutation on its genetic code, such as influenza. The shift mutation that occurs in influenza causes new influenza
strains to appear every year. That's why influenza infects millions of people every year. In influenza vaccines are not protected for a long time.
In my opinion, as the natural immunity of the population increases against COVID-19, its virulence will decrease.
COVID-19 Fatality Rate by AGE:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/
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Valeria Tananska added a reply

9 hours ago
In terms of prevention, one should count on the particulars of his/her own immune system (esp. absence of chronic pneumonia, other lung
issues), protective measures + good food.
What I am more concerned with is the lack of self-awareness as to touching surfaces and one's body parts after sneezing/ couphing, as well as people's
lack of preparedness to enter a potential quarantine.
The German government has issued a recommendation to store food for 10 days (without interim recourse to the super market) in the case of the virus
going into a wider-spread mode.
Here is the list (for those who have not read it yet). It is for 1 person:
*20 l water
*3.5 kg of grains, bread, potatoes, pasta, rice
*4 kg veggies and pulses
*2.5 kg fruits and nuts
*2.6 kg milk and milk products
*1.5 kg fish, meat and eggs
*0.4 kg oils and fats
*other preferred foods (honey, jam, chocolate, ready meals)

Realistically though, can a family store that much food (without spoilage) per person for the specified time?
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8 hours ago
Coronavirus and economic growth
Coronavirus escalation could cut global economic growth in half – OECD
Pls. read
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/business/2020/mar/02/coronavirus-escalation-could-cut-global-economic-growth-in-half-oecd
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3 hours ago
Don't be panic. The fear itself is more dangerous than the virus. The virus doesn't have a brain. It just has its natural biological survival strategy, and
killing is not its intention.
Try to rely on the microbiome (including the virus if one is infected) in our body for nutrition source. microbes are important to us not because they are
"good old friend"; but because they are potential pathogens to us. That's why we developed our immune system to cope with them during our co-
evolution with them in the past millions of years, and we need them: 1) to enhance our immune system; 2) they are the only source of the essential
nutrients for our body, becaue they have a much larger reservation of genes than human being. Without the microorganisms in our food or inside our
body, malnutrition is inevitable, no matter how many food we eat:
Article The gut microbiota influences skeletal muscle mass and funct...
That is to say, by regular restrictive eating, let autophagy, which is part of our innate immune system, run in each cell in our body everyday to clean the
foreign genes (like the virus) and any dysfunctional cell components, use them as nutrition source to repair our damaged body cell. In this way, we can
prevent the accumulation of foreign genes (like the virus) and any dysfunctional cell components from developing into illness.
In my diet, I use raw fermented rice everyday as a microbiome supplement. You may introduce microbiota in you food in a similar way.
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2 hours ago
I could speculated that the lower presentation of ACE-2 may be an explanation on why children have more mild cases (as presented thus far in the
literature)... info from Japan suggests middle aged men were suffering more severe cases than woman. It has been suggested that since smoking is
more common in that demographic and is known to up-regulate ACE-2, that may be an important consideration.
Again, this has been suggested, but it is far to early to rely on these suggestions.
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Christian G Meyer added a reply February 8

@Asam Shad and @Christopher Diederichs:

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Sorry, but: nonsense.

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Chinaza Godswill Awuchi added a reply February 10

No evidence so far has pointed towards that direction

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Neil Dagnall added a reply

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A. G. Piyal Aravinna added a reply February 10

Dear Neil Dagnall,

HIV out break.

Also, this question is open for Christian G Meyer

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A. G. Piyal Aravinna added a reply February 11

Dear Christian G Meyer,

Thank for your Valuable comment .

Maurice Ekpenyong added a reply

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A. G. Piyal Aravinna added a reply

Dear Maurice Ekpenyong,

Christian G Meyer added a reply February 11

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@Anton Vrdoljak @Christian G Meyer@ Christopher Diederichs

As per the idea mentioned by Maurice Ekpenyong,

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A. G. Piyal Aravinna added a reply

Dear Ms. Yichi Hu,

Thank you for your comment and personal ideas.

If you could incorporate useful links it is highly appreciated.

Chinaza Godswill Awuchi added a reply February 12

I agree with Yichi Hu

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Yichi Hu added a reply February 12

Dear A. G. Piyal Aravinna ,

A. G. Piyal Aravinna added a reply February 12

Dear Ms. Yichi Hu,

Thank you for the clarification. We will discuss further.

Chinaza Godswill Awuchi added a reply February 12

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Christian G Meyer added a reply

It is not only unlikely, it is just nonsense.

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Stephen I. Ternyik added a reply

Inter-host is most probably

according to meta-genomic matching.

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Yichi Hu added a reply

Dear Chinaza Godswill Awuchi ,

A. G. Piyal Aravinna added a reply

Dear Stephen I. Ternyik,

A. G. Piyal Aravinna added a reply February 12

As the point mentioned by Yichi Hu, given below;