on my right side.
Today it will be possible for me to
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2. Auspicious Characteristics
There are certain characteristics of different limbs
which are considered to be very auspicious and are fully
present in the body of the Lord. In this connection, one
friend of Nanda Maharaja, speaking about Lord Krishna's
auspicious bodily symptoms, said, ``My dear King of the
cowherds, I can find thirty-two auspicious symptoms on
the body of your son! I am wondering how this boy could
have taken His birth in a family of cowherd men.''
Generally, when Lord Krishna appears He does so in a
family of kshatriyas (kings), as did Lord Ramacandra, and
sometimes in a family of brahmanas. But Krishna accepted
the role of son to Maharaja Nanda, despite the fact that
Nanda belonged to the vaishya community. The business
of the vaishya community is trade, commerce and the
protection of cows. Therefore his friend, who may have
been born into a brahmana family, expressed his wonder at
how such an exalted child could take birth in a family of
vaishyas. Anyway, he pointed out the auspicious signs on
the body of Krishna to the boy's foster father.
He continued, ``This boy has a reddish luster in seven
places--His eyes, the ends of His hands, the ends of His
legs, His palate, His lips, His tongue and His nails. A
reddish luster in these seven places is considered to be
auspicious. Three parts of His body are very broad: His
waist, forehead and chest. Three parts of His body are
short: His neck, thighs and genitals. Three parts of His
body are very deep: His voice, intelligence and navel.
There is highness in five parts of His body: His nose,
arms, ears, forehead and thighs. In five parts of His body
there is fineness: His skin, the hairs on His head and on the
other parts of His body, His teeth and His fingertips. The
aggregate of all these bodily features is manifest only in
the bodies of great personalities.''
The fate lines on the palm are also considered to be
auspicious bodily symptoms. In this connection, one old
gopi informed King Nanda, ``Your son possesses various
wonderful fate lines on His palms. There are the signs of
lotus flowers and wheels on His palms, and on His soles
there are the signs of a flag, a thunderbolt, a fish, a rod for
controlling elephants, and a lotus flower. Please observe
how auspicious these signs are!''
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traverse the ground of Vrindavana and which touch the
breasts of the gopis, covered with tinges of kunkuma. He
thought, ``I am so fortunate that I will be able to see those
very lotus feet on this day, and certainly I shall be able to
see the beautiful face of Krishna, which is marked on the
forehead and the nose with tilaka. And I shall also see His
smile and His curling black hair. I can be sure of this
opportunity because I see that today the deer are passing
actually see the beauty of the spiritual kingdom of
Vishnuloka because Krishna is the Supreme Vishnu and
He has advented Himself out of His own good will. He is
the reservoir of all beauty; therefore my eyes will be filled
today.''
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Even though she pacified herself by thinking that the
time for Govinda to arrive had not yet expired, Rukmini
felt that she was hoping against hope. Not expressing her
mind to anyone, she simply shed tears, unobserved by
others, and when her tears became more forceful, she
closed her eyes in helplessness. While Rukmini was in
such deep thought, auspicious symptoms appeared in
different parts of her body. Trembling began to occur in
her left eyelid and in her arms and thighs. When trembling
occurs in these parts of the body, it is an auspicious sign
indicating that something lucrative can be expected.
ADI-13
88. Nilambara Cakravarti [the grandfather of Shri
Caitanya Mahaprabhu] then did an astrological calculation
and said that in that month, taking advantage of an
auspicious moment, the child would take birth.
89. Thus in the year 1407 of the Saka era in the month of
Phalguna [March-April] on the evening of the full moon,
the desired auspicious moment appeared.
The explanation of the horoscope given by Bhaktivinoda
Thakura is that at the time of the birth of Lord Caitanya
Mahaprabhu the constellations were situated as follows:
Shukra (Venus) and the constellation of the Ashvini stars
were in the Mesharashi (Aries)... This science is known
especially by persons who are called nora-shastra-vit, or
those who know the scripture of the name Hora. On the
strength of astrological calculations from the Hora
scripture, Nilambara Cakravarti, the grandfather of Shri
Caitanya Mahaprabhu, ascertained the auspicious moment
in which the Lord would appear.
ccadi17 .TX 103 On another day an astrologer came
who was supposed to know everything--past, present and
future. Thus Shri Caitanya Mahaprabhu received him with
all honor and put this question before him.
Brahmanas generally used to become astrologers,
Ayur-vedic physicians, teachers and priests. Although
highly learned and respectable, such brahmanas went from
door to door to distribute their knowledge. A brahmana
would first go to a householder's home to give information
about the functions to be performed on a particular tithi, or
date, but if there were sickness in the family, the family
members would consult the brahmana as a physician, and
the brahmana would give instruction and some medicine.
Often, since the brahmanas were expert in astrology,
people would also be greatly inquisitive about their past,
present and future.
Although the brahmana appeared at Lord Caitanya's house
as a beggar, Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu received him with
great respect because he was a qualified brahmana who
knew the astrological science perfectly. Although
brahmanas would go door to door just like beggars, they
were honored as very respectable guests. This was the
system in Hindu society five hundred years ago, during the
time of Caitanya Mahaprabhu. This system was current
even one hundred years ago; even fifty or sixty years ago,
when we were children, such brahmanas would visit
householders like humble beggars, and people would
derive great benefit from the mercy of such brahmanas.
The greatest benefit was that a householder could save a
great deal of money from being spent on doctor bills
because the brahmanas, aside from explaining the past,
present and future, could ordinarily cure all kinds of
diseases simply by giving instructions and some medicine.
Thus no one was bereft of the benefit of a first-class
physician, astrologer and priest.
TX 104 "Please tell Me who I was in My previous birth,"
the Lord said. "Please tell Me by your astrological
computations." Hearing the words of the Lord the , the
astrologer immediately began to calculate."
Through astrology one can know past, present and future.
Modern western astronomers have no knowledge of the
past or future, nor can they perfectly say anything about
the present. Herein we find, however, that after hearing
Shri Caitanya Mahaprabhu's order, the astrologer
immediately began his calculations. This was not a facade;
he actually knew how to ascertain one's past life through
astrology. A still existing treatise called the Bhrigu-
samhita describes a system by which anyone can
immediately get information about what he was in the past
and what he is going to be in the future. The brahmanas
who went door to door as if beggars had perfect command
of such vast knowledge. Thus the highest knowledge was
easily available even to the poorest man in society. The
poorest man could inquire from an astrologer about his
past, present and future, with no need for business
agreements or exorbitant payments. The brahmana would
give him all the benefit of his knowledge without asking
remuneration, and the poor man, in return, would offer a
handful of rice, or anything he had in his possession, to
satisfy the brahmana. In a perfect human society, perfect
knowledge in any science--medical, astrological,
ecclesiastical and so on--is available even to the poorest
man, with no anxiety over payment. In the present day,
however, no one can get justice, medical treatment,
astrological help or ecclesiastical enlightenment without
money, and since people are generally poor, they are
bereft of the benefits of all these great sciences.
TX105 "Through calculation and meditation, the all
knowing astrologer saw the greatly effulgent body of the
Lord, which is the resting place of all the unlimited
Viakuntha planets."
...The astrologer saw Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu to be the
very same Personality of Godhead. We can just imagine
how learned he was, yet he was traveling door to door, just
like an ordinary beggar, for the highest benefit of human
society.
tx 109 [The astrologer said] "You are now the same
Personality of Godhead that You were in Your previous
birth. Your identity is inconceivable eternal happiness."
By the power of astrological science one can even
ascertain the position of the Supreme Personality of
Godhead. Everything is to identified by its symptoms.
TX 112 The astrologer said, ``What I saw in meditation
was full of opulence, and therefore I was confused.
It appears that the astrologer not only was a knower of
past, present and future through astrological calculation,
but was a great meditator as well. Therefore he was a great
devotee and could see Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu to be
the same personality as Krishna. He was puzzled,
however, about whether Krishna and Shri Caitanya
Mahaprabhu were actually the same person.
sb1.12 TX 12
Thereupon, when all the good signs of the zodiac
gradually evolved, the heir apparent of Pandu, who would
be exactly like him in prowess, took birth.
Astronomical calculations of stellar influences upon a
living being are not suppositions, but are factual, as
confirmed in Shrimad-Bhagavatam. Every living being is
controlled by the laws of nature at every minute, just as a
citizen is controlled by the influence of the state. The state
laws are grossly observed, but the laws of material nature,
being subtle to our gross understanding, cannot be
experienced grossly. As stated in the Bhagavad-gita (3.9),
every action of life produces another reaction, which is
binding upon us, and only those who are acting on behalf
of Yajna (Vishnu) are not bound by reactions. Our actions
are judged by the higher authorities, the agents of the
Lord, and thus we are awarded bodies according to our
activities. The law of nature is so subtle that every part of
our body is influenced by the respective stars, and a living
being obtains his working body to fulfill his terms of
imprisonment by the manipulation of such astronomical
influence. A man's destiny is therefore ascertained by the
birthtime constellation of stars, and a factual horoscope is
made by a learned astrologer. It is a great science, and
misuse of a science does not make it useless. Maharaja
Parikshit or even the Personality of Godhead appear in
certain constellations of good stars, and thus the influence
is exerted upon the body thus born at an auspicious
moment. The most auspicious constellation of stars takes
place during the appearance of the Lord in this material
world, and it is specifically called jayanti, a word not to be
abused for any other purposes. Maharaja Parikshit was not
only a great kshatriya emperor, but also a great devotee of
the Lord. Thus he cannot take his birth at any inauspicious
moment. As a proper place and time is selected to receive
a respectable personage, so also to receive such a
personality as Maharaja Parikshit, who was especially
cared for by the Supreme Lord, a suitable moment is
chosen when all good stars assembled together to exert
their influence upon the King. Thus he took his birth just
to be known as the great hero of Shrimad-Bhagavatam.
This suitable arrangement of astral influences is never a
creation of man's will, but is the arrangement of the
superior management of the agency of the Supreme Lord.
Of course, the arrangement is made according to the good
or bad deeds of the living being.
sb1.12 TX 18
The good King [Yudhishthira] inquired: O great souls,
will he become as saintly a king, as pious in his very name
and as famous and glorified in his achievements, as others
who appeared in this great royal family?
...He was happy to learn from the learned brahmanas that
by astrological calculations the child would be born a first-
grade devotee of the Lord, and more confidentially he
wanted to know whether the child was going to follow in
the footsteps of his great forefathers. That is the way of the
monarchical state. The reigning king should be a pious,
chivalrous devotee of the Lord and fear personified for the
upstarts. He must also leave an heir apparent equally
qualified to rule over the innocent citizens...
sb1.12 TX 29
Thus those who were expert in astrological knowledge and
in performance of the birth ceremony instructed King
Yudhishthira about the future history of his child. Then,
being sumptuously remunerated, they all returned to their
respective homes.
The Vedas are the storehouse of knowledge, both material
and spiritual. But such knowledge aims at perfection of
self-realization. In other words, the Vedas are the guides
for the civilized man in every respect. Since human life is
the opportunity to get free from all material miseries, it is
properly guided by the knowledge of the Vedas, in the
matters of both material needs and spiritual salvation. The
specific intelligent class of men who were devoted
particularly to the knowledge of the Vedas were called the
vipras, or the graduates of the Vedic knowledge. There are
different branches of knowledge in the Vedas, of which
astrology and pathology are two important branches
necessary for the common man. So the intelligent men,
generally known as the brahmanas, took up all the
different branches of Vedic knowledge to guide society.
Even the department of military education (Dhanur-veda)
was also taken up by such intelligent men, and the vipras
were also teachers of this section of knowledge, as were
Dronacarya, Kripacarya, etc. The word vipra mentioned
herein is significant. There is a little difference between
the vipras and the brahmanas. The vipras are those who
are expert in karma-kanda, or fruitive activities, guiding
the society towards fulfilling the material necessities of
life, whereas the brahmanas are expert in spiritual
knowledge of transcendence. This department of
knowledge is called jnana-kanda, and above this there is
the upasana-kanda. The culmination of upasana-kanda is
the devotional service of the Lord Vishnu, and when the
brahmanas achieve perfection, they are called Vaishnavas.
Vishnu worship is the highest of the modes of worship.
Elevated brahmanas are Vaishnavas engaged in the
transcendental loving service of the Lord, and thus
Shrimad-Bhagavatam, which is the science of devotional
service, is very dear to the Vaishnavas. And as explained
in the beginning of the Shrimad-Bhagavatam, it is the
mature fruit of Vedic knowledge and is superior subject
matter, above the three kandas, namely karma, jnana and
upasana. Amongst the karma-kanda experts, the jataka
expert vipras were good astrologers who could tell all the
future history of a born child simply by the astral
calculations of the time (lagna). Such expert jataka-vipras
were present during the birth of Maharaja Parikshit, and
his grandfather, Maharaja Yudhishthira, awarded the
vipras sufficiently with gold, land, villages, grains and
other valuable necessaries of life, which also include
cows. There is a need of such vipras in the social structure,
and it is the duty of the state to maintain them
comfortably, as designed in the Vedic procedure. Such
expert vipras, being sufficiently paid by the state, could
give free service to the people in general, and thus this
department of Vedic knowledge could be available for all.
sb1.14
TX 22
O Brahmana Shaunaka, while Maharaja Yudhishthira,
observing the inauspicious signs on the earth at that time,
was thus thinking to himself, Arjuna came back from the
city of the Yadus [Dvaraka].
Ssb1.16
Chapter Sixteen
How Parikshit Received the Age of Kali

.TX 1
Suta Gosvami said: O learned brahmanas, Maharaja
Parikshit then began to rule over the world as a great
devotee of the Lord under the instructions of the best of
the twice-born brahmanas. He ruled by those great
qualities which were foretold by expert astrologers at the
time of his birth.
At the time of Maharaja Parikshit's birth, the expert
astrologer brahmanas foretold some of his qualities.
Maharaja Parikshit developed all those qualities, being a
great devotee of the Lord. The real qualification is to
become a devotee of the Lord, and gradually all the good
qualities worthy of possession develop. Maharaja Parikshit
was a maha-bhagavata, or a first-class devotee, who was
not only well versed in the science of devotion but also
able to convert others to become devotees by his
transcendental instructions. Maharaja Parikshit was,
therefore, a devotee of the first order, and thus he used to
consult great sages and learned brahmanas, who could
advise him by the shastras how to execute the state
administration. Such great kings were more responsible
than modern elected executive heads because they obliged
the great authorities by following their instructions left in
Vedic literatures. There was no need for impractical fools
to enact daily a new legislative bill and to conveniently
alter it again and again to serve some purpose. The rules
and regulations were already set forth by great sages like
Manu, Yajnavalkya, Parashara and other liberated sages,
and the enactments were all suitable for all ages in all
places. Therefore the rules and regulations were standard
and without flaw or defect. Kings like Maharaja Parikshit
had their council of advisers, and all the members of that
council were either great sages or brahmanas of the first
order. They did not accept any salary, nor had they any
necessity for such salaries. The state would get the best
advice without expenditure. They were themselves sama-
darshi, equal to everyone, both man and animal. They
would not advise the king to give protection to man and
instruct him to kill the poor animals. Such council
members were not fools or representatives to compose a
fool's paradise. They were all self-realized souls, and they
knew perfectly well how all living beings in the state
would be happy, both in this life and in the next. They
were not concerned with the hedonistic philosophy of eat,
drink, be merry and enjoy. They were philosophers in the
real sense, and they knew well what is the mission of
human life. Under all these obligations, the advisory
council of the king would give correct directions, and the
king or executive head, being himself a qualified devotee
of the Lord, would scrutinizingly follow them for the
welfare of the state. The state in the days of Maharaja
Yudhishthira or Maharaja Parikshit was a welfare state in
the real sense of the term because no one was unhappy in
that state, be he man or animal.Maharaja Parikshit was an
ideal king for a welfare state of the world.
sb1.19
TX 26
This son of Vyasadeva was only sixteen years old. His
legs, hands, thighs, arms, shoulders, forehead and the other
parts of his body were all delicately formed. His eyes were
beautifully wide, and his nose and ears were highly raised.
He had a very attractive face, and his neck was well
formed and beautiful like a conchshell.
.TX 28
He was blackish and very beautiful due to his youth.
Because of the glamor of his body and his attractive
smiles, he was pleasing to women. Though he tried to
cover his natural glories, the great sages present there were
all expert in the art of physiognomy, and so they honored
him by rising from their seats.
sb3.21
.TX 15
Therefore, desiring to marry a girl of like disposition
who may prove to be a veritable cow of plenty in my
married life, to satisfy my lustful desire I too have sought
the shelter of Your lotus feet, which are the source of
everything, for You are like a desire tree.
In spite of his condemning persons who approach the
Lord for material advantages, Kardama Muni expressed
his material inability and desire before the Lord by saying,
``Although I know that nothing material should be asked
from You, I nevertheless desire to marry a girl of like
disposition.'' The phrase ``like disposition'' is very
significant. Formerly, boys and girls of similar
dispositions were married; the similar natures of the boy
and girl were united in order to make them happy. Not
more than twenty-five years ago, and perhaps it is still
current, parents in India used to consult the horoscope of
the boy and girl to see whether there would be factual
union in their psychological conditions. These
considerations are very important. Nowadays marriage
takes place without such consultation, and therefore, soon
after the marriage, there is divorce and separation.
Formerly husband and wife used to live together
peacefully throughout their whole lives, but nowadays it is
a very difficult task.
Kardama Muni wanted to have a wife of like
disposition because a wife is necessary to assist in spiritual
and material advancement. It is said that a wife yields the
fulfillment of all desires in religion, economic
development and sense gratification. If one has a nice
wife, he is to be considered a most fortunate man. In
astrology, a man is considered fortunate who has great
wealth, very good sons or a very good wife. Of these
three, one who has a very good wife is considered the
most fortunate. Before marrying, one should select a wife
of like disposition and not be enamored by so-called
beauty or other attractive features for sense gratification.
In the Bhagavatam, Twelfth Canto, it is said that in the
Kali-yuga marriage will be based on the consideration of
sex life; as soon as there is deficiency in sex life, the
question of divorce will arise.
sb3.24
.TX 15
Therefore, today please give away your daughters to
the foremost of the sages, with due regard for the girls'
temperaments and likings, and thereby spread your fame
all over the universe.
The nine principal rishis, or sages, are Marici, Atri,
Angira, Pulastya, Pulaha, Kratu, Bhrigu, Vasishtha and
Atharva. All these rishis are most important, and Brahma
desired that the nine daughters already born of Kardama
Muni be handed over to them. Here two words are used
very significantly--yatha-shilam and yatha-ruci. The
daughters should be handed over to the respective rishis,
not blindly, but according to the combination of character
and taste. That is the art of combining a man and woman.
Man and woman should not be united simply on the
consideration of sex life. There are many other
considerations, especially character and taste. If the taste
and character differ between the man and woman,their
combination will be unhappy. Even about forty years ago,
in Indian marriages, the taste and character of the boy and
girl were first of all matched, and then they were allowed
to marry. This was done under the direction of the
respective parents. The parents used to astrologically
determine the character and tastes of the boy and girl, and
when they corresponded, the match was selected: ``This
girl and this boy are just suitable, and they should be
married.'' Other considerations were less important. The
same system was also advised in the beginning of the
creation by Brahma: ``Your daughters should be handed
over to the rishis according to taste and character.''
According to astrological calculation, a person is
classified according to whether he belongs to the godly or
demoniac quality. In that way the spouse was selected. A
girl of godly quality should be handed over to a boy of
godly quality. A girl of demoniac quality should be
handed over to a boy of demoniac quality. Then they will
be happy. But if the girl is demoniac and the boy is godly,
then the combination is incompatible; they cannot be
happy in such a marriage. At the present moment, because
boys and girls are not married according to quality and
character, most marriages are unhappy, and there is
divorce.
sb6.1
.TX 49
As a sleeping person acts according to the body
manifested in his dreams and accepts it to be himself, so
one identifies with his present body, which he acquired
because of his past religious or irreligious actions, and is
unable to know his past or future lives.
...It should be understood that a person who does not have
Vedic knowledge always acts in ignorance of what he has
done in the past, what he is doing at the present and how
he will suffer in the future. He is completely in darkness...
According to his association with the material modes of
nature--goodness, passion and ignorance--a living entity
gets a particular type of body. The example of one who
associates with the mode of goodness is a qualified
brahmana. Such a brahmana knows past, present and
future because he consults the Vedic literature and sees
through the eyes of shastra (shastra-cakshuh). He can
understand what his past life was, why be is in the present
body, and how he can obtain liberation from the clutches
of maya and not accept another material body. This is all
possible when one is situated in the mode of goodness.
Generally, however, the living entities are engrossed in the
modes of passion and ignorance.
...One who is in complete darkness cannot know what his
past life was or what his next life will be; he is simply
interested in his present body. Even though he has a
human body, a person in the mode of ignorance and
interested only in his present body is like an animal, for an
animal, being covered by ignorance, thinks that the
ultimate goal of life and happiness is to eat as much as
possible. A human being must be educated to understand
his past life and how he can endeavor for a better life in
the future. There is even a book, called Bhrigu-samhita,
which reveals information about one's past, present and
future lives according to astrological calculations.
Somehow or other one must be enlightened about his past,
present and future. One who is interested only in his
present body and who tries to enjoy his senses to the
fullest extent is understood to be engrossed in the mode of
ignorance. His future is very, very dark. Indeed, the future
is always dark for one who is grossly covered by
ignorance. Especially in this age, human society is covered
by the mode of ignorance, and therefore everyone thinks
his present body to be everything, without consideration of
the past or future.
sb6.2
.TX 26
Ajamila said: Alas, being a servant of my senses, how
degraded I became! I fell down from my position as a duly
qualified brahmana and begot children in the womb of a
prostitute.
The men of the higher classes--the brahmanas,
kshatriyas and vaishyas--do not beget children in the
wombs of lower-class women. Therefore the custom in
Vedic society is to examine the horoscopes of a girl and
boy being considered for marriage to see whether their
combination is suitable. Vedic astrology reveals whether
one has been born in the vipra-varna, kshatriya-varna,
vaishya-varna or shudra-varna, according to the three
qualities of material nature. This must be examined
because a marriage between a boy of the vipra-varna and a
girl of the shudra-varna is incompatible; married life
would be miserable for both husband and wife.
Consequently a boy should marry a girl of the same
category. Of course, this is trai-gunya, a material
calculation according to the Vedas, but if the boy and girl
are devotees there need be no such considerations. A
devotee is transcendental, and therefore in a marriage
between devotees, the boy and girl form a very happy
combination.
sb7.13
Chapter Thirteen
The Behavior of a Perfect Person
This Thirteenth Chapter describes the regulative
principles for sannyasis and also describes the history of
an avadhuta. It concludes with a description of perfection
for the student in spiritual advancement.
Shri Narada Muni has been describing the symptoms of
various ashramas and varnas. Now, in this chapter, he
specifically describes the regulative principles to be
followed by sannyasis. After retiring from family life, one
should accept the status of vanaprastha, in which he must
formally accept the body as his means of existence but
gradually forget the bodily necessities of life. After
vanaprastha life, having left home, one should travel to
different places as a sannyasi. Without bodily comforts
and free from dependence on anyone with respect to
bodily necessities, one should travel everywhere, wearing
almost nothing or actually walking naked. Without
association with ordinary human society, one should beg
alms and always be satisfied in himself. One should be a
friend to every living entity and be very peaceful in
Krishna consciousness. A sannyasi should travel alone in
this way, not caring for life or death, waiting for the time
when he will leave his material body. He should not
indulge in unnecessary books or adopt professions like
astrology, nor should he try to become a great orator. He
should also give up the path of unnecessary argument and
should not depend on anyone under any circumstances. He
should not try to allure people into becoming his disciples
just so that the number of his disciples may increase.
sb7.13
.TX 19
Your Honor appears learned, expert and intelligent in
every way. You can speak very well, saying things that are
pleasing to the heart. You see that people in general are
engaged in fruitive activities, yet you are lying here
inactive.
Prahlada Maharaja studied the bodily features of the
saintly person, and through the saint's physiognomy
Prahlada Maharaja could understand that he was
intelligent and expert, although he was lying down and not
doing anything. Prahlada was naturally inquisitive about
why he was lying there inactive.
sb8.18
.TX 5
On the day of Shravana-dvadashi [the twelfth day of
the bright fortnight in the month of Bhadra], when the
moon came into the lunar mansion Shravana, at the
auspicious moment of Abhijit, the Lord appeared in this
universe. Considering the Lord's appearance very
auspicious, all the stars and planets, from the sun to
Saturn, were munificently charitable.
Shrila Vishvanatha Cakravarti Thakura, an expert
astrologer, explains the word nakshatra-taradyah...
sb9.18.TX 23
Shukadeva Gosvami continued: Because such a
marriage is not sanctioned by regular scriptures, King
Yayati did not like it, but because it was arranged by
providence and because he was attracted by Devayani's
beauty, he accepted her request.
According to the Vedic system, the parents would
consider the horoscopes of the boy and girl who were to be
married. If according to astrological calculations the boy
and girl were compatible in every respect, the match was
called yotaka and the marriage would be accepted. Even
fifty years ago, this system was current in Hindu society.
Regardless of the affluence of the boy or the personal
beauty of the girl, without this astrological compatibility
the marriage would not take place. A person is born in one
of three categories, known as deva-gana, manushya-gana
and rakshasa-gana. In different parts of the universe there
are demigods and demons, and in human society also
some people resemble demigods whereas others resemble
demons. If according to astrological calculations there was
conflict between a godly and a demoniac nature, the
marriage would not take place. Similarly, there were
calculations of pratiloma and anuloma. The central idea is
that if the boy and girl were on an equal level the marriage
would be happy, whereas inequality would lead to
unhappiness. Because care is no longer taken in marriage,
we now find many divorces. Indeed, divorce has now
become a common affair, although formerly one's
marriage would continue lifelong, and the affection
between husband and wife was so great that the wife
would voluntarily die when her husband died or would
remain a faithful widow throughout her entire life. Now,
of course, this is no longer possible, for human society has
fallen to the level of animal society. Marriage now takes
place simply by agreement. Dampatye 'bhirucir hetuh
(Bhag. 12.2.3). The word abhiruci means ``agreement.'' If
the boy and girl simply agree to marry, the marriage takes
place. But when the Vedic system is not rigidly observed,
marriage frequently ends in divorce.
sb10.1
.TX 57
Vasudeva was very much disturbed by fear of
becoming a liar by breaking his promise. Thus with great
pain he delivered his first-born son, named Kirtiman, into
the hands of Kamsa.
In the Vedic system, as soon as a child is born,
especially a male child, the father calls for learned
brahmanas, and according to the description of the child's
horoscope, the child is immediately given a name. This
ceremony is called nama-karana. There are ten different
samskaras, or reformatory methods, adopted in the system
of varnashrama-dharma, and the name-giving ceremony is
one of them. Although Vasudeva's first son was to be
delivered into the hands of Kamsa, the nama-karana
ceremony was performed, and thus the child was named
Kirtiman. Such names are given immediately after birth.
SB 10.8.5
O great saintly person, you have compiled the
astrological knowledge by which one can understand past
and present unseen things. By the strength of this
knowledge, any human being can understand what he has
done in his past life and how it affects his present life. This
is known to you.
...Therefore any gentleman, dhira, must be interested in
jyotisa, astrology.
Nanda Maharaja was trying to take advantage of the
opportunity afforded by Gargamuni's presence, for
Gargamuni was a great authority in this knowledge of
astrology, by which one can see the unseen events of past,
present and future. It is the duty of a father to understand
the astrological position of his children and do what is
needed for their happiness. Now, taking advantage of the
opportunity afforded by the presence of Gargamuni,
Nanda Maharaja suggested that Gargamuni prepare a
horoscope for Nanda's two sons, Krishna and Balarama.
.TX 6
My lord, you are the best of the brahmanas, especially
because you are fully aware of the jyotih-shastra, the
astrological science. Therefore you are naturally the
spiritual master of every human being. This being so, since
you have kindly come to my house, kindly execute the
reformatory activities for my two sons.
The Supreme Personality of Godhead, Krishna, says in
Bhagavad-gita (4.13), catur-varnyam maya srishtam guna-
karma-vibhagashah: the four varnas--brahmana, kshatriya,
vaishya and shudra--must be present in society. The
brahmanas are required for the guidance of the whole
society. If there is no such institution as varnashrama-
dharma and if human society has no such guide as the
brahmana, human society will be hellish. In Kali-yuga,
especially at the present moment, there is no such thing as
a real brahmana, and therefore society is in a chaotic
condition. Formerly there were qualified brahmanas, but at
present, although there are certainly persons who think
themselves brahmanas, they actually have no ability to
guide society. The Krishna consciousness movement is
therefore very much eager to reintroduce the varnashrama
system into human society so that those who are
bewildered or less intelligent will be able to take guidance
from qualified brahmanas.
Brahmana means Vaishnava. After one becomes a
brahmana, the next stage of development in human society
is to become a Vaishnava. People in general must be
guided to the destination or goal of life, and therefore they
must understand Vishnu, the Supreme Personality of
Godhead... ...Nanda Maharaja took advantage of the
opportunity of Gargamuni's presence by requesting him to
perform the necessary reformatory activities for his sons to
guide Them toward the destination of life.
sb10.3.TX 1-5
Thereafter, at the auspicious time for the appearance of
the Lord, the entire universe was surcharged with all the
qualities of goodness, beauty and peace. The constellation
Rohini appeared, as did stars like Ashvini. The sun, the
moon and the other stars and planets were very peaceful.
All directions appeared extremely pleasing, and the
beautiful stars twinkled in the cloudless sky...
When the time was mature for the appearance of the
Lord, the constellations became very auspicious. The
astrological influence of the constellation known as Rohini
was also predominant because this constellation is
considered very auspicious. Rohini is under the direct
supervision of Brahma, who is born of Vishnu, and it
appears at the birth of Lord Vishnu, who in fact is
birthless. According to the astrological conclusion, besides
the proper situation of the stars, there are auspicious and
inauspicious moments due to the different situations of the
different planetary systems. At the time of Krishna's birth,
the planetary systems were automatically adjusted so that
everything became auspicious.
kb3
In an astronomical treatise by the name Khamanikya,
the constellations at the time of the appearance of Lord
Krishna are very nicely described. It is confirmed that the
child born at that auspicious moment was the Supreme
Brahman or the Absolute Truth.

kb8
After this incident, Vasudeva asked his family priest,
Gargamuni, to visit the place of Nanda Maharaja in order
to astrologically calculate the future life of Krishna.
Gargamuni was a great saintly sage who underwent many
austerities and penances and was appointed priest of the
Yadu dynasty. When Gargamuni arrived at the home of
Nanda Maharaja, Nanda Maharaja was very pleased to see
him and immediately stood up with folded hands and
offered his respectful obeisances. He received Gargamuni
with the feeling of one who is worshiping God, or the
Supreme Personality of Godhead. He offered him a nice
sitting place, and when he sat down, Nanda Maharaja
offered him a warm reception. Addressing him very
politely, he said: ``My dear Brahmana, your appearance in
a householder's place is only to enlighten. We are always
engaged in household duties and are forgetting our real
duty of self-realization. Your coming to our house is to
give us some enlightenment about spiritual life. You have
no other purpose to visit householders.''...
Nanda Maharaja addressed Gargamuni as one of the
great authorities in astrological science. The foretellings of
astrological science, such as the occurrence of solar or
lunar eclipses, are wonderful calculations, and by this
particular science, a person can understand the future very
clearly. Gargamuni was proficient in this knowledge. By
this knowledge one can understand what his previous
activities were, and by the result of such activities one may
enjoy or suffer in this life.
Kkb8
Devaki and Vasudeva. According to astrological
calculation, Devaki could not have a female child,
although everyone thought that the eighth child of Devaki
was female. In this way Gargamuni intimated to Nanda
Maharaja that the female child was born of Yashoda and
that Krishna was born of Devaki, and they were
exchanged. The female child, or Durga, also informed
Kamsa that the child who would kill him was already born
somewhere else. Gargamuni stated, ``If I give your child a
name and if He fulfills the prophecy of the female child to
Kamsa, then it may be that the sinful demon will come and
kill this child also after the
kb44
Krishna then learned the art of foretelling events by
seeing signs. In a book called Khanarvacana, the various
types of signs and omens are described. If when one is
going out one sees someone with a bucket full of water,
that is a very good sign. But if one sees someone with an
empty bucket, it is not a good sign. Similarly, if one sees a
cow being milked alongside its calf, it is a good sign.The
result of understanding these signs is that one can foretell
events, and Krishna learned the science. Krishna also
learned the art of
pop10
In India, unlike in the West, it is common for astrologers
to make minute calculations of the astronomical situation
at the moment of one's birth. Indeed, a person's horoscope
is read not only when he is born but also when he dies, in
order to determine what his situation will be in the next
life. All this can be determined by astrological calculation.
In this verse, Lord Krishna is accepting those astrological
principles, confirming that if one leaves his body at a
particular time, he may attain liberation. If one dies at one
moment, he may be liberated, or if he dies at another
moment, he may have to return to the material world. It is
all a question of ``chance,'' but that chance someway or
other is what one has. For the devotee, however, there is
no question of chance. Whatever the astrological situation,
the devotee in Krishna consciousness is guaranteed
liberation. For others, there are chances that if they leave
their body at a particular moment, they may attain
liberation and enter the spiritual kingdom, or they may be
reborn.
ccclass12-23-66
So when a child is born the astrologer is called. Still that
system is followed. But due to this Kali-yuga the
astrologer has also become a false, and this has become a
formality. Somebody is following, somebody is not
following. So as soon as a child is born. You will find
Maharaja Pariksit, as soon as he was born, his grandfather,
Maharaja Yudhisthira, called for astrologer. This is called
jata-karma. Just after the child is born, this astrologer will
come and he will see the moment, the astronomical
situation, and make a horoscope, and then immediately his
future activities and everything will be clearly made, that
"This child is born at such and such moment. He will be
like this and this." And that will be... You will be
surprised... Not surprised. This is calculation. In my
horoscope it is written there, "At the age of seventy years
he will go across the sea." It is written there. Yes. And
there are so many things still. So this astrologer was so
accurate. I have got that horoscope. Not here. If some
day I shall, then will show. It is clearly written there that
"This time he will go across the sea." Just see. The
cirumstances became so that I have come. So astrology is
so nice. So when Krsna was born the same principle was
followed. Astrologer was called for, and there were good
astrologers. And the great astrologer, a famous astrologer
who came to see Krsna's birth affair, he was Gargamuni.
His name was Gargamuni. Yes. So that Gargamuni, by
astrology, said to Krsna's father Nanda Maharaja, "This
boy, this child who is born as your son, He had three
colors before." Asan varnas trayo hy asya: "This child
had three colors before. I see." Just see the astrology.
From astrology he says that "He had three colors before."
That means God. "He had three colors before." Grhnato
'nuyugam tanuh: "According to the age, according to the
millennium, He had three other colors." Suklo raktas tatha
pita idanim krsnatam gatah: "And He had that white color
and red color and yellow color. Idanim, just now, He has
assumed this black color." So this was the astronomical
calculation of Krsna's birth. Satya-yuge dharma-dhyana
karaya 'sukla'-murti dhari'. Now, sukla-murti, that white
incarnation of God, He will teach the people...
lec5-3-69
1: Is astrology of any importance to a way of life, I
mean...
P: Yes. This is a science. Yes. This is a science. It is a
science. That science is acceptable by the human society.
Medical science, legal science, engineering science.
Similarly, astrology also, another science. But the
astrology is simply useful so long you have got this body,
but as soon as your body is finished, there is no more use
of astrology.
play8-4-69
Tamal Krsna: What is the position of astrology in Krsna
consciousness?
Prabhupada: Astrology is a science. Krsna consciousness
has nothing to do with astrology, but it is the general
custom that as soon as a child is born the astrologers
come. That is the Indian system, Vedic system.
sbmw4-25-73
Because as soon as he can study the pulse, how it is
beating, in which way... That is, that requires little
experience. Then immediately the formula is that if the
pulse is beating in this way, then these symptoms will be
there. And he will ask the patient...
Brahmananda: To confirm the symptoms.
Prabhupada: Yes. Confirm the symptoms. If he says:
"Yes," then immediately diagnosis is there. And as soon as
diagnosis is there, the medicine is there. Simple method.
Similarly, astrologers, they will see the constellation of the
stars, and then the formula is there. "If this star is now
with this star, if that planet is with that planet, then this is
the result." So this Ayurvedic astrologer and physician
requires little clear brain. Otherwise, very nice. The
research work is already there. Just like we are. What is
our research? Krsna says: paras tasmat tu bhava anyah.
"There is another nature." We believe it.
bgclass7-15-73
In the... According to Vedic civilization, after the birth
of the child, there was name-giving ceremony, what kind
of name. So that was calculated astrologically, that what
kind of name he should be given, because the name should
carry some meaning of the activities of his life. So Krsna
is named here Hrsikesa.
Bhagavad Gita 18.5
Radhastami
London, September 5, 1973
When Krsna was born at Nanda Maharaja's place, or
Krsna appeared then,..
So according to Vedic system there is jata-karmah. As
soon as child is born, immediately horoscope is made and
according to horoscope his name is given. There are dasa-
karma. Dasa-karma. So one of these is at the birth, that
before the child is begotten, there is one samskara,
garbhadhana-samskara. Similarly, after the child is born,
then another samskara, jata-karma-samskara. So there are
so many samskaras. Samskarad bhaved dvijah: By
following the samskara, purificatory process, one becomes
brahmana. The upanayana-samskara, the sacred thread
samskara. So when Krsna was having the jata-karma-
samskara by Gargamuni, the priest of Vasudeva...
He was sent to Nanda Maharaja to perform the Krsna's
jata-karma. So he was a learned astrologer. He said,
"Nanda Maharaja, your this son formerly had three other
colors: sukla raktas tatha pita...
Morning Walk
Los Angeles, December 8, 1973
Svarupa Damodara: When Nehru said that all factories,
chemical factories and these iron factories are our temples,
these are our temples.
Yasomatinandana: Nehru was a big atheist too, he openly
declared.
Prabhupada: Yes, he was first-class atheist. Now he has
become a dog. Yes, some astrologer has said. He has
become a dog in Sweden. A man has got two dogs. Out of
the two he is one.
Yasomatinandana: Nehru?
Prabhupada: Yes. That is quite believable.
Yasomatinandana: Yes Prabhupada, it's a fact.
Svarupa Damodara: How does he know that is..?
Yasomatinandana: It's fortunate to become a dog.
Prabhupada: Ha? The astrologers, they sometimes
approached. Ah, what is the position of this man,
Vivekananda, Ramakrishna, Gandhi? And they say
something. So he has said about Nehru like this.
Astrologer, he was hesitating, then he said. It was spoken
by one very respectable person, Sridhara Maharaja.
Svarupa Damodara: Who?
Prabhupada: My godbrother.
Svarupa Damodara: Sridhara Maharaja. Oh.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Svarupa Damodara: Similarly also, Srila Prabhupada,
some astrologers say that Srila Prabhupada...
Prabhupada: No, no. Suppose if he has said, how can you
disbelieve it? How can you disbelieve it? That is...
Because in the Bhagavad-gita it is said, tatha dehantara
prapti. "After giving up this body, one has to accept
another body." So he has accepted another body but
nobody can tell what body he has accepted. If the
astrologer says, you have to accept it. You cannot say,
"No, he has not accepted dog body." You cannot give any
proof. So anyone can say anything. But it is a fact that he
has accepted another body...
Svarupa Damodara: Srila Prabhupada, are these
astrologers, ah, are, can we believe in them, what they
say? Called pseudo- science.
Prabhupada: No. Astrology is a science. (break) ...that I
shall go to the foreign countries and throughout the whole
world I will establish so many temples, so many things...
this...
Svarupa Damodara: So they have some intelligence to tell
that...
Prabhupada: No, no. That is calculation, calculation. This
astrologer, this astrologer was a very big astrologer and
when I was in service, Dr. Bose's laboratory, so Dr. Bose
was treating one patient. He was vomiting blood. So he
was treating as tuberculosis. Then he could not cure him
after giving all medicine. Then he asked the astrologer,
this astrologer who made my horoscope, "What is the
matter? Panditji, can you tell?" So he calculated. He said,
"You are making wrong treatment. He has got some sore
in the throat. It is not heart." And he treated, he was cured.
Yasomatinandana: Vedic science is so perfect.
Prabhupada: Yes. He knew it.
Room Conversation
with Latin Professor
Los Angeles, December 9, 1973
So every knowledge is there in the Vedas. There are so
many Vedas. Even for our ordinary dealings, just like
Ayur-veda. Ayur-veda means medical science. Similarly,
Dhanur-veda, military science. Similarly, Jyotir-veda,
jyotis, the astronomical science. And those who are, mean,
accustomed with Vedic knowledge, it is so nice and, I
mean to say, perfect that... Take, for example, that Ayur-
veda, medical science. Their process is that this body, the
physiological condition, is depending on three things, tri-
dhatu, kapha-pitha-vayu: mucus, bile and air. And the air
is felt by the pulse beating. So they learn how to examine
the pulse beating, the heart beating. And they have got
description. Just like the sparrow walks, the crow walks,
so in this way they have given the example, "If the pulse is
beating like the walking of the sparrow, walking of the
crow, then his health, his condition, is like this, and the
symptoms will be like this." So the physician first of all
studies the pulses, and he remembers the symptoms, and
he corroborates, asking the patient, "Do you feel like this?
Do you feel like this? Do you do this, like this?" If it is
corroborated, then his diagnosis is given: "He has got this
disease." So similarly, in Jyotir-veda they have got similar
symptoms: "If such and such stars are now nearer to this
star"--they have got this calculation--"then the position is
this." So they learn very quickly. Indian brahmanas, they
learned Jyotir-veda, Ayur-veda, very quickly. Because
brahmanas they are meant to go to every house to inform
the date, the everything. So generally people are
inquisitive about the health. So they ask, "Now I am
feeling like this." So they give medicine. And they give
some astrological hint also. So in this way people gave
them some contribution. That is their livelihood. So this...
All the systems were made very easy on account of this
Vedic injunction. So therefore we take Vedic knowledge
as perfect, and we understand everything by Vedic
knowledge about God, about His place, about His
activities.
Srimad Bhagavatam 1.15.38 Los Angeles, December 16,
1973
So this Abhimanyu, father of Maharaja Pariksit, only
sixteen years old... His mother Uttara... So king of..,
Maharaja Virata... So when he was born... There is Vedic
ceremony, jato-karma ceremony. After a child is born..
Oh, what a horrible age we are now! We are killing before
the birth of the child. This is kali-yuga. Such... It is so
welcome, auspicious, a child is born in the family. There is
ceremony, jato-karma ceremony. Before the child is born
there is ceremony, garbhadhana ceremony. Sarva-
bhaksana (?) ceremony. Such a nice culture. Where it has
gone now? Now child is killed within the womb of the
mother by the mother. This is called Kali-yuga. And it is
scientific advancement. The scientists, the priests, they
give order. The doctor gives out... "Yes, do it." Just try to
understand what is Kali-yuga. So anyway, this is the Vedic
system, that when a child is born, immediately his
horoscope is made. Astrological science is so perfect. The
moment the child is born, immediately calculated, "What
is the position of this moment?" Then they derive
calculation, "This child will be like this, this will be this,
will be this, this." I had also horoscope. The other day I
was talking. And it was clearly written, that horoscope,
that "This child after seventy years, he will be great
religious propagator and establish so many temples."
Devotees: Jaya!
Prabhupada: Yes. This is astrology. Those of my students
who have seen my horoscope in India, it is clearly written
there. So that is horoscope. So while the brahmanas were
writing horoscope, so Maharaja Yudhisthira's anxiety
was... They were describing, "This child will be so, such a
great hero, he will do this..." And it was mentioned that
"He will die also, being cursed by a brahmana." That
was... So Yudhisthira Maharaja did not take care of that,
how he will die. He simply took care how he will live. He
inquired from the learned brahmanas, "Whether this child
will be exactly prototype of our dynasty? Because this is
a... Kuru dynasty is the parampara system of emperors, all-
perfect. So whether this child will be like that?" That was
his nquiry, first. So all the brahmanas replied, "Yes, sir,
this is just quite fit, your family." Therefore it is said here
that susumam gunaih: "By quality, exactly like Maharaja
Yudhisthira." So unless one is qualified, highly qualified,
how he can be installed as the head of the executive of the
state or the world?
Morning Walk
Los Angeles, December 29, 1973
Prabhupada: ...not come?
Karandhara: He's coming Prabhupada. He just pulled up.
Prabhupada: Oh.
Jayahari(?): Prabhupada, this morning you talked about
astrology in your lecture. Is this accepted in the Vedic
scripture and by the gurus?
Prabhupada: Oh yes. Astrology means... That is also
Vedic. Jyotir-veda. Jyotir-veda. That is also part of the
Vedas. The brahmanas, they learn these three things:
astrology and medicine. These two things. A brahmana is
supposed to go to every householder's place, and he will
inform, "Today is such and such tithi. The such and such
thing should be done." And if required, if somebody
inquires about, "Now I am going to that place. What will
happen? Just find out the auspicious moment," so they will
give him. Still it is current. It may be wrongly done or
rightly, but the system is still there. Astrologer. The king
should be always accompanied by a first-class astrologer.
(break) ...there is a whole street, both sides simply
astrology. (break) ...good
astrologers.
Jayahari: Astrology is very popular in the western world.
(break)
Prabhupada: Where is our scientist?
Svarupa Damodara: Here, Srila Prabhupada.
Prabhupada: Oh, how are you? Thank you very much.
Come on. How are you? Feeling all right?
Dr. Wolf: Fine, thank you.
Prabhupada: Hare Krsna.
Svarupa Damodara: I brought a friend, Srila Prabhupada,
from Calcutta. He was my class friend in Calcutta. He is
from St. Xavier's College. He graduated.
Prabhupada: Oh. Bengali?
Sujit: Bengali. (Bengali conversation)
Prabhupada: (Bengali) ...Mahatma Gandhi Road.
Svarupa Damodara: Daniel, come here. Daniel Sardar.
Sujit: Sujit.
Prabhupada: Sujit, oh. (Bengali conversation regarding his
being a student of science, chemistry and plastics
engineering, and Srila Prabhupada tells him that he
attended Scottish Churches' College) (break) ...astrology?
Sujit: What is my opinion?
Prabhupada: No. I am asking scientist.
Svarupa Damodara: First of all I did not believe astrology
in the beginning. I thought it was a pseudo science.
Prabhupada: No, you may think, but what is the opinion of
the scientist?
Svarupa Damodara: Oh, scientists would say that there is
no background.
Prabhupada: So how it so happens?
Svarupa Damodara: Because they say something which
cannot be proved by experimental science, that does not
work, calling science.
Prabhupada: So then how do you say that life is from
matter? That cannot be proved by experiment.
Svarupa Damodara: That is why they are going to prove it.
They are trying to prove it.
Prabhupada: Then again, "going to prove." They cannot
prove, they'll not not admit it.
Sujit: See, astrology, I think, what he said is half true.
Astrology is a science but it is not an exact science like
mathematics and chemistry.
Prabhupada: No, No, it is mathematics. Astrology is
simply based on mathematics. Exactly.
Svarupa Damodara: To calculate the planetary...
Prabhupada: Just see. The comet...
Sujit: It is from astronomy.
Prabhupada: Astronomy, yes. Astrology is part of
astronomy. Yes.
Sujit: It's part of the science. It has been accepted as part
of the science.
Prabhupada: No, it is...
Svarupa Damodara: Astrological science is mostly
speculative theory.
Prabhupada: Astronomy also.
Sujit: They are proving a lot of things. They are
calculating when a certain star can be in certain positions.
Svarupa Damodara: No, that can be done.
Prabhupada: So our astrology is calculated by the position
of the stars. By astronomy you calculate the position of the
star, and they know, "If the star is in such and such
position, the result will be like this." That is astrology.
Svarupa Damodara: This looks like collecting some facts
from some experience.
Prabhupada: No, no. It is calculated by the astral
movement. It is a great science. People do not know it
now.
Svarupa Damodara: So Wolf Prabhu was telling me that
"So we don't believe in astrology, but when Srila
Prabhupada says, then you believe."
Prabhupada: Huh?
Svarupa Damodara: Wolf, he was telling me that, because
I was telling him that I did not believe in astrology. Then
one day Srila Prabhupada was talking on astrology. Then
Wolf said, "If Srila Prabhupada said, then you believe.
And if it is not said by Srila Prabhupada, you don't
believe."
Prabhupada: No. We believe in astrology. But because it
is a difficult science, people do not understand it properly.
That is another thing. In my practical life I see. In my
horoscope, everything is written, what I am doing.
Everything is written. So...
Svarupa Damodara: That would be called like genius.
Sometimes. If somebody can predict what is going to
happen in the future, can be, just like, taken...
Prabhupada: No, these astrologers can give everyone
exact, the history of life, what is going to happen, what
happened.
Svarupa Damodara: But it is true, though Srila
Prabhupada, in our family life, when we want to do
something, they always go to a...
Prabhupada: Astrologer. Yes.
Svarupa Damodara: And then they... (break end)
ÿ practically practices. But this is also one of the samskara.
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hundred miles away.
Guru-krpa: (break) We saw from the plane.
Prabhupada: Eh?
Guru-krpa: Forty-five minutes on the plane from Miami
we saw the comet.
Yasodanandana: It was there for forty-five minutes.
Prabhupada: Yes, a bad sign...
Yasodanandana: As big as the sky.
Prabhupada: How big?
Yasodanandana: Big as the sky. It was flashing for forty-
five minutes, this big...
Guru-krpa: Flashing in horizontal directions.
Devotee: The four or five first flashes were very, very big
and regularly every thirty seconds it was big flash, bigger
than lightning, brighter, very bright.
Guru-krpa: Very brilliant.
Prabhupada: One part like this?
Guru-krpa: Yes, very fast.
Devotee: Across the sky, shooot, shooot, shooot. Very
fast.
Guru-krpa: About forty-five min.., we.., it was still going
but the plane passed it and it stayed behind.
Prabhupada: Uh, so, this is a bad sign. Constellation.
According to astronomical calculations. Therefore we, we
follow the astrology according to the constellation. The
child born, everything has connection, the constellation of
the star has influence on the child. So therefore the
horoscope-maker takes the calculation of the constellation
and then calculate what is his future. This dhumraketu is
described in Dasavatara-stotra, dhumraketum iva kim api
karalam. Dhumarketum iva. Dhumarketum iva kim api
karalam. As soon as there is comet, there will be some
disaster. Very great disaster. In our childhood we saw the
comet, not this like. That was small comet. Still, the first
world war was there declared. That we have seen in 1914.
Nara-narayana: Halley's comet.
Prabhupada: Eh?
Nara-narayana: I think they called it Halley's comet.
Halley's comet.
Prabhupada: Now the... You can expect at any moment
disaster in this material world, but the comet is the sign
that there will be some great disaster. It is... This material
world, in every step there is disaster. Padam padam yad
vipadam. But those who have taken shelter of Krsna, the
disaster is not meant for them. Samasrita ye padapallavam
plavam. Padam padam yad vipadam na tesam. So how big
it is?
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born, Gargamuni, the family priest... It is the system
among the Vedic culturalists that as soon as a child is
born, immediately his horoscope is made and his past--
future is calculated, janma-grasthi(?). So, that function on
account of poverty and many other causes, nobody
Before birth there is samskara, garbhadhana samskara,
while the chld is within the womb, there is samskara. In
this way, a human body is purified by different kinds of
samskaras or purificatory methods. Dasabhidasamskara.
Samskara
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Harikesa: One devotee asked me, "If the scientists don't
know anything about the universe, then how is it they can
predict exactly when there is going to be an eclipse of the
sun or the moon for hundreds of years in advance?"
Prabhupada: That is very preliminary knowledge. That is
not...Just like you can predict that after two months there
will be winter. That does not mean that you are very
advanced scientist. (laughter) Any child can say. The
rascal predicted that there is some comet, and it never
appeared. He did. So therefore they are rascals. What is
already scheduled, everyone knows. He can say that.
(break) ...story about Kali dasa. Kali dasa was such a fool.
It is a long story. It will take time. So he was sitting on a
branch of a tree and cutting. So some intelligent man
came, was passing: "Oh, you rascal, you'll fall down." So
he did not care. He would go on. And when he actually
fell down, he, "Oh, you are so nice astrologer." What is
astrology? It is a common sense. If I say, "At six o'clock in
the evening there will be no sun," (laughter) is that
astrology? Even it is astrology, this astrology is known to
everyone. Hare Krsna.
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Tamala Krsna: But it's not good for construction.
Jayapataka: No, no, it won't be...
Prabhupada: No, it will not continue. A few hours in a
day, stop. Yadi varse maghera sesa, danda-raja punya
desa. This is the month of Magha. So at the end of Magha,
if there is little rain, then it is to be understood that the
king of that country is very pious and blessed. This time a
little rain is required. Yadi varse maghera sesa, danda raja
punya desa. There is a book, Khanara Vacana,
astronomical prediction in this small verses.
Jayapataka: Pradyumna prabhu had a copy of that book.
Prabhupada: Khanara Vacana?
Jayapataka: I was looking at it. It was very practical. Even
how to... How many feet you should plant the different
trees, banana and others.
Prabhupada: Khana was a woman, very intelligent. Wife...
I think she was wife of Varaha Mihira. He was very great
astrologer, and she learned from her husband, and then she
explained in common language. That is Khanara Vacana.
Tamala Krsna: Who?
Prabhupada: This Khanara Vacana. She was... I think so...
I don't know whether... She was the wife of a great, a very
big astrologer.
Jayapataka: There was nine rsis of one raja, and then she
was the daughter of one of those rsis.
Prabhupada: Oh, maybe, daughter or wife.
Jayapataka: Wife of a..., also.
Tamala Krsna: It's amazing how everything is so
scientifically analyzed in the Vedas. The Westerners...
Prabhupada: Therefore we say "perfect." Sruti-pramanam.
Tamala Krsna: Even to the point of knowing about a
certain amount of rain coming at the end of a particular
season and how that indicates about the administration.
Prabhupada: Yes. Yes, everything. Danda raja punya desa.
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village to village, town to town. And if you keep strictly
on the principles and chant Hare Krsna maha-mantra, then
your mission will be successful. There is no doubt about it.
So vartamano 'nyayoh kalo, there are three different
features of time--past, present, and future. So those who
are learned scholars, from one point, they can calculate
what is the past and what is the future. Evam janmanyayor
etad dharmadharma-nidarsanam. There is astrology, there
are experienced persons, they can say what was the past,
what will be the future, this is one side. But Caitanya
Mahaprabhu's movement is, even without any knowledge
of the past, without any knowledge of the future, if you
take the present opportunity, then your life is successful.
The present opportunity is that in this age, Kali-yuga,
Caitanya Mahaprabhu appeared. Anarpita-carim cirat
karunaya, what, anyone knows this verse? .vs anarpita-
ciram-cirat karunayavatirnah kalau
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Adi-kesava Maharaja and others have developed it through
the years now, in the last two years. (break)
Abhiram: I just now returned from Delhi, Srila
Prabhupada.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Abhirama: So I went to see the astrologer with Yasoda-
nandana Swami, and he did more calculations on your
chart.
Prabhupada:. You can get on light.
Abhirama: So basically he explained when the difficult
times will come according to the planets. Then he made it
very clear that beyond the planetary influence, it would be
very difficult for calculations for a person in your position.
For an ordinary man he can say very clearly. And he can
say for you which planets will disturb, but he cannot say
for sure how much they will effect because being a saintly
person, there is naturally some resistance to these
influences. So he made that very clear, that you should not
think that these are final. So he said, according to your
birth, the longevity shows very clearly. And then he gave a
date. The longevity is 81 years, five months and twenty-
nine days, which means February 28, 1978, six months
from now. This is according to birth and stars,
arrangement. But on this point he made it very clear that
this was from your birth, this was set, but it can change.
Due to pious activities, due to the hand of Krsna, this can
change. So... And then he described that during the next
six months, the first week of September, Saturn will pass
over Ketu and it will agitate the influence of Ketu even
more. So the first week of September the resistence will go
down, will become weaker. Then he mentioned that there
may be some trouble from... Maybe financial or maybe
from juniors, from subordinates. Then this period, if you
can pass, through 1978, then there is four or five more
years clear ahead, if you can pass through "78. This was
what he said, that after '78 there would be four or five
years which would be more or less clear of difficulties. He
said that you could go on easily for four or five years after
that, if you can pass through 1978. And he said, according
to birth arrangement, the fatal date is February 28, 1978, in
six months. At that time there's what's called the
completion of a Ketu maha-desa, which began at your
birth. But he stressed several times that we should not take
these calculations to be final on account of your position.
He said these are for ordinary men. He said it is always the
case that a man of spiritual advancement will have the
ability to overcome his fate. He quoted the case of his
father who was in the Sri Sampradaya and he was
apparently very pious and he lived so many years beyond
his fatal date. And even so many astrologers had given the
calculation, but still, he went on because of... He said he
would fast on ekadasi and so many days and so much jap,
like that. So he said for a man of your position he could
not even say for sure. He said that definitely the hand of
Krsna would be involved. So like this, he seemed to have a
very sober idea. And he was hopeful that the blue sapphire
would have some beneficial effect, at least to relieve you
to some degree. He thought that by now you should have
noticed a little bit at least. (break) besides the gem, there is
a good Ayurveda physician. He can also relieve the
effects. That they know the art if you can find the proper
man. I inquired if there is proper man in this district. He
said he didn't know anyone in this area. He knows of a
man in Delhi. I took his address, and I tried to contact him
but I have not yet contacted him. He was not available.
However, we have contacted a man... We read the report
to you the other night.
Tamal Krsna read you when we were upstairs? He was
suggesting the pearl and the oxidized gold and bark of
Arjuna tree. That man is the chief physician of this big
Ayurvedic hospital in Delhi. He's the chief resident
physician there. He lives there at the hospital and he's in
charge. He has expressed a serious interest in you, and he's
a very, very pious man. He wants to come to visit
Vrndavana. His wife is an Ayurveda physician, he is the
chief physician of the hospital and there is another
professor of
Ayurveda. They all want to see if they can offer some
suggestion. So on Sunday...
Prabhupada: Why not bring them?
Abhirama: Yes. On Sunday we have arranged. They will
come for a visit of Vrndavana and they will come to see
you to see if they can relieve you of some difficulty. As far
as we could find in Delhi, these are the most reputed men,
and they are actively practicing and teaching. They are
recognized.
Prabhupada: Make that arrangement. Yes. On Sunday?
Abhirama: Yes, on Sunday, Srila Prabhupada. Today is
Thursday. So these were the major points, Srila
Prabhupada. For six months there's trouble, especially in
first week of September. And if you can pass through '78,
then he sees four or five years ahead clear.
Tamal-krsna: That means divine intervention, Srila
Prabhupada.
Prabhupada: The chant is given. The calculation there is
finished. That doesn't matter. Rather, if I am finished now,
it will be glorious.
Tamal-krsna: It will be what, Prabhupada?
Prabhupada: Glorious.
Tamal-krsna: Living will also be glorious.
Prabhupada: Yes. Let us see.... as Krsna desires. All right.
Thank you. Would you like to send to that Nabadwip
astrologer?
Tamal-krsna: Yes, I'm going to write to Jayapataka this
evening. I'll give him the information.
Prabhupada: You have got the janma.
Tamal-krsna: Oh, yes. I'll have Abhirama... What he has
given, I'll have him write it up and add it to that other
report. I have a file I'm keeping in case you want to hear
again. Pradyumna is here, Srila Prabhupada. Would you
like to hear Caitanya-caritamrta?
Prabhupada: Yes. (break) Can you guarantee life? Then
you are controller. Your socalled advanced medicine or
adavanced knowledge has no meaning. You have to die.
Then where is the
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stay nicely.
Tamal-krsna: Prasadam.
Prabhupada: Prasadam. And remain here for some time.
Of course, according to my horoscope, these days are my
last days. But if Krsna saves, that is a different thing. They
have calculated eighty-two years and two months?
Tamal-krsna: Eighty-one years, five months, and twenty-
eight days.
Prabhupada: That is the.., according to calculation of my
horoscope. Eighty-one years will be completed, and
eighty-second year will begin. It doesn't matter. I leave
this body. Even in death I'll live. One year before or one
year after... Now as far as possible, I have trained you. Try
to follow the principles. And go ahead. Don't be set back
by maya's tricks. Go ahead, forward, at any cost.
Bhaktivinoda Thakura said... So many obstacles are
coming. Maya is strong. And still, we are going forward.
That's all right.
Devotees: Jaya Srila Prabhupada. (break)
Sruta-kirti: ...started on the beach walk at Pico Blvd. and
went down to Venice Beach and you used to walk, on
Venice Beach.
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nails.
Hamsaduta: Prabhupada you've become so thin. You've
become so thin. You have to become better.
Bhagatji: (Hindi)
Prabhupada: (Hindi) (Pause) (Break)
Hari-sauri: Of course, you have so many disciples around
the world who are always praying for your health, so ten
brahmanas would not achieve very much. He repeated also
what he said before that the period up until next March
would be very difficult time.
Prabhupada: Hm?
Hari-sauri: He said that up until next March, that would be
a very difficult time. But if Your Divine Grace goes
beyond that time, then for three or four years then health
will return.
Prabhupada: Back side itching.
Hari-sauri: All the back? Are these astrological charts very
much applicable for a devotee, Srila Prabhupada?
Prabhupada: No.
Hari-sauri: Because Krsna can do anything.
Prabhupada: Yes. (break) Tamal Krsna. Tamal Krsna.
Tamala Krsna: Yes, Srila Prabhupada?
Prabhupada: Don't waste money for this astrology.
Tamala Krsna: In London when we were going to get the
astrologer to do, when I heard it was expensive, then we
cancelled. How much money he is asking here?
Hari-sauri: He didn't say a price He said it would take two
or three days to do a detailed chart.
Prabhupada: It is useless. Better arrange as many hours as
possible to chant kirtana. That is...
Tamala Krsna: Srila Prabhupada? Today we did kirtana
starting in the afternoon till the evening. So do you want
more than that?
Prabhupada: I can hear day and night.
Tamala Krsna: So should we arrange..? Maybe we should
arrange starting in the morning going till night.
Prabhupada: That is according to your convenience. But
kirtana is very sweet.
Hari-sauri: Last June we were doing twenty-four hours.
Prabhupada: That is real business. These astrologer are
karmis. We have nothing to do with the karmi.
Hari-sauri: Their measurement of happiness and distress is
how much nice wife and children they get and how much
money they get.
Prabhupada: Yes. Bhagavata reading and kirtana... Hm.
Hm.
Hari-sauri: They don't understand that the real happiness is
giving every-thing to Krsna.
Prabhupada: Yes. Don't waste time and money in any
other way.
Tamala Krsna: Sometimes I find that you're sleeping, Srila
Prabhupada. So I was just wondering at night when you do
most of your sleeping whether we should still do kirtana. I
was thinking that we could do it up until nine o'clock at
night and then begin in the morning again.
Prabhupada: No.
Tamala Krsna: You'd like it to be throughout the night?
Prabhupada: Um hm.
Tamala Krsna: Okay. We'll have enough people here so
that we can do it. We will start this tomorrow, Srila
Prabhupada, tomorrow morning, because it's difficult to
arrange now. Most of the devotees have begun to take rest.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Tamala Krsna: They'll definitely like it, though, because
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Room Conversation
Vrndavana, October 8, 1977
Tamal-krsna: ...reading of your chart for free Srila
Prabhupada. The man is a devotee. I thought it would be
good to read to you. His name is Gopesh Kumar Ojah, and
his son's name is Asutosh Ojah.
Brahmananda: He asked for Prabhupada's blessing.
Tamal-krsna: Yes. He wanted your blessings. He says...
This is a very detailed chart he did. And the calculations
are given. He said Sukra as Muntesa, Varsa-lagnesh, has
no directional strength. Therefore the solar return is not
good. The lord of the sixth house if conjunct Mangal, not
good. The following days are not auspicious. the 27-28 of
September, 24-25 of October, 20, 21, and 22 of
November, and 3 and 4 of December. He says, "Srila
Prabhupadaji is at present undergoing the fag end of Ketu
Mahadasa and it will last until the 13th of January, 1978.
Ketu is in the eight house.
Brahmananda: Means death.
Tamal-krsna: The eight house is called the house of death.
He says Ketu is in the eight house with the sun, which is
the lord of the eight house, and Krusu? (Guru--Jupiter), the
lord of the twelfth and third houses. They are all in the
eighth house. Mercury in Ketu started from 16th January.
Budha (Mercury) is the satesa(?) (lord of the 6th, editor)
also, disease. Sani has gone to the eighth house, which is
the house of death, from the 7th September. That's the day
you had your operation. Sani as lagnesh in the eight house
and the transit over Jupiter and Ketu. The negative effect
continues throughout October 1977, November 1977, and
from the first of December 1977 Saturn becomes almost
stationary and becomes more malific. Saturn becomes
even worse. In January 1978 until April 1978 it again
traverses the same degrees and becomes stagnant on
Jupiter and Ketu in the last week of February. The native
has...
Prabhupada: January '77 we have passed.
Tamal-krsna: January '78, Srila Prabhupada. It says that
you're supposed to have lived for seventy-five years, but
everything beyond that was an extension by Krsna.
Prabhupada: Where is...
Tamal-krsna: Juice? They're just making it, Srila
Prabhupada. It says here that the moon is in the eight
house which is very bad. The patient may not recover.
Then he gives various planets which are also not well
aligned. The conjunction of another two planets is very
bad. Hospitalization and ill health are intensified in the
present year. The days which are not good is when the
moon passes in the 22nd to the 23rd of naksatra, which are
27-28 of September, 24-25 October, then some days in
November and December. He says Surya will apply for
Rahu on Saturday, the 8th of October. That's today. This is
very bad, this day. Today is Ekadasi. Surya will apply for
Rahu. Prashna, Lagnesh, Mangal, in the eight house. The
medicine will not give any relief. The native will make a
fight for life as Surya-Mangal are good friends and Saturn,
or Sani and Sukra are enemies. There is no benefics in
nine, six, eleven and three. Mangal indicates the effects of
Sakini. There is difficulty in recovery. The seventh dasa
starts on the 13th of January, 1978. It says. "We have
noticed that the periods are all negative until March-April
1978, and the main trouble was due to Sani. We suggested
that blue sapphire be tried, and he should keep it on.
Hospitalization and travels are indicated." Then he says
the worst days of all for you are today and tomorrow. He
says it is very negative, as well as the llth which is mixed.
But these are all very inauspicious days. The 4th, 5th, 8th,
9th, and llth of October. He says the only remedy in this
case is to do maha-mrtyum-jaya japa and havan.
Previously also, now also, we have recommended Siva.
Lord Siva is the presiding Deity of Sani, and with this the
native will be able to overcome disease and lifespan
increases.
Hari-sauri: That's the mantra he gave to me.
Tamal-krsna: Astrologically it is up to the eighty-one
years, four months approximately. Says, "Japa and havan."
Prabhupada: Chant Hare Krsna. It is finished. So where is
juice? You're asking him for juice.
Tamal-krsna: Grape juice.
Prabhupada: You sit down and chant.
Tamal-krsna: I think that's why you're having difficulty
this morning now also. These days now are very difficult.
The only reason I felt to read this is this man is not trying
to make money. He did not charge anything. I didn't feel
that he was simply doing it as a business.
Prabhupada: It is not prepared? And you were asking me if
you can...
Tamal-krsna: When I asked you was... You took rest
again, Srila Prabhupada, so I couldn't make it at that time.
We started it at the bathing time.
Prabhupada: How long it takes?
Tamal-krsna: It shouldn't take this long. (pause)
Prabhupada: More. (Pause)
Tamal-krsna: I'll rearrange it, Prabhupada.
Prabhupada: I want to lie down.
Hari-sauri: Come acomude(?) this side of Srila
Prabhupada. I'a going to take these clothes away.
Prabhupada: Oh.
Tamal-krsna: Srila Prabhupada? Do you want a little more
juice? Sit you up for a minute just to drink this juice? You
want some more now or a little later?
Prabhupada: Later.
Tamal-krsna: Okay. (soft kirtana starts--break)
Prabhupada: Now you accept this. Live very simple life
and you save time for channting Hare Krsna.
Hansadutta: Yes, Prabhupada.
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fight is between government and them.
Jayapataka: Many barristers in Calcutta say that if due to
political pressure, this or that, some people come and ask
us to try to file a petition for dropping charges, that there's
no need to do that because the case is well in our favor.
Prabhupada: Yes. If you drop, they get opportunity.
Jayapataka: Yes. No, we have no intention to drop the
charges. That will not clear our name. The day I returned,
the Secretary General... Rather, the General Secretary of
the State Congress Party, Mr. K.K. Sukla, he just
happened to visit our mandir, and he heard the whole story
and he said that he'll give whatever support he can, and if
they get back into any power, then he'll see that our
programs get full assistance. Then our lawyer told us that
he has been talking to some ministers in the present
Communist government and they're saying that they're
willing to support our movement if we do some works that
are beneficial for the people. They're not saying that we're
not doing any so far, but any other things like the bridges
or the schemes we have, they're willing to give us support
for those. By your mercy everything is gradually changing
around. The Tantric astrologer there he gave some
predictions.
Prabhupada: What is that?
Jayapataka: Well, about two weeks ago he had told
Bhavananda that he would be called to Vrndavana and that
all the GBCs or leaders of the Society would be called to
Vrndavana to see Your Divine Grace. He said that actually
Your Divine Grace is a pure Vaisnava and like type of
avatara, empowered person of Krsna, so that he shouldn't
really speak anything because he's simply a Tantric type of
astrologer 'cause you are able to change your fate or
change according to your desire. He predicted that all the
GBCs would be coming. He said that up till the November
28th is the last date of the sickness, and that after that, then
your sickness... You would take a month or so to fully
recuperate, and then from January, on you'd be quite
healthy again, and for at least seven years you wouldn't
have any trouble with health. The
big day... He put the biggest day at November 28th.
Hari-sauri: The worst day?
Jayapataka: That's the end of the bad period.
Hari-sauri: I'll get the other chart. This man in Delhi did
another chart.
Prabhupada: Why November 28th?
Jayapataka: Why? That's just his... He may or may not be
accurate.
Bhavananda: What is the occurrence on that day?
Jayapataka: He said that that's the last day of the...
Bhavananda: That's the day Venus changes houses.
Prabhupada: Hm?
Kirtanananda: That's the day Venus changes houses.
Jayapataka: He said that he is praying that Krsna will keep
you here 'cause without a pure devotee in the world then
everything becomes dark.
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they're engaged at that time.
Prabhupada: According to horoscope, life is finished. Still,
I living. What should be the interpretation?
Kirtanananda: The interpretation.
Svarupa Damodara: About the conference?
Prabhupada: No, about... About me.
Hari-sauri: Life is different from matter.
Kirtanananda: Srila Prabhupada, even the astrologers all
say that you are transcendental, that if you want, you can
change your horoscope. And that's what you told us, that
Krsna said the choice is up to you.
Prabhupada: So what do you think?
Tamal-krsna: I think, Srila Prabhupada, that you should
continue to try, and Krsna will help you because we all
want you. The whole world wants you very much and
there's no reason why Krsna cannot do this. If we remain
determined, then Krsna will surely fulfill our desires.
We're not desiring it for any selfish reason that you should
live. We're desiring for the benefit of the whole world.
There's every reason to continue to try and make the effort
to remain.
Prabhupada: So something to eat. What shall I eat?
Svarupa Damodara: Something liquid. (whispering among
disciples)
Kirtanananda: Three hours later.(whispering among
disciples)
Prabhupada: They cannot come for three days. Eh?
Svarupa Damodara: Many are coming for three days
except a few. From Agra I expect about fifty, and from
Mathura there will be about fifteen to twenty, and from
Delhi I expect about thirty for tomorrow. Then, on
Saturday, Sunday... Sunday is going to be... Everybody's
coming on Sunday, whomever I invited, in Delhi schools
and colleges are still going on.
Prabhupada: Fifty, fifteen.
Svarupa Damodara: Yes. So it will be about a hundred.
These are
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Upendra: Would you like this side for a change, Srila
Prabhupada?
Prabhupada: Yes.
Tamala Krishna: I'll be in the next room, Srila Prabhupada.
(break) Shall I get the report? You want me to get the
report of the astrologer?
Prabhupada: Hm.
Tamala Krishna: Okay. Here's Kirtanananda Maharaja,
Srila Prabhupada.
Prabhupada: So the final inauspicious day is not come yet.
Tamala Krishna: Final inauspicious day?
Prabhupada: Means death.
Tamala Krishna: What does that mean? The final
inauspicious date?
Prabhupada: Yes. This is the... That means death.
Tamala Krishna: Fatal day.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Tamala Krishna: I'll just look. (Pause) What does this
mean? "Ketu Maha-dasa"? What is the meaning of that,
Srila Prabhupada?
Prabhupada: Ketu, the most inauspicious.
Tamala Krishna: Well, it says, "You're presently
undergoing the fag end of Ketu Maha-dasa and it will last
until l3th of January, 1978." It mentions a lot of things. I
don't understand these astrological terms. I could read
them to you. If you understand them, I can read them to
you. I don't understand them. Just like I just mentioned
Ketu Maha-dasa. To me that didn't mean anything 'cause I
didn't understand it.
Bhakti-caru: Pradyumna understands.
Tamala-krsna: Where is he?
Jayadvaita: In the reception room.
Tamala Krishna: Should I read these out loud to you?
Should I read these things to you?
Prabhupada: Yes.
Tamala Krishna: Should... Pradyumna is here also. He's in
the next room. Should I call him?
Prabhupada: Yes.
Tamala Krishna: Get Pradyumna. (break)...is that end of
the Ketu Maha-dasa because it says, "astrologically it is up
to eighty-one years, four months, approximate." Eighty-
one years, four months would make it about January,
1978. So that's the date given. January 13, 1978.
Pradyumna, why don't you come over here and read this,
'cause I can't understand all these things. Just read loud
and clear to Prabhupada. Start here.
Pradyumna: "Srila Prabhupadaji is at present undergoing
the fag end of Ketu Maha-dasa and it will last till 13th
January 1978. Ketu is in the ieghth house with Sun, lord of
light house, and Guru, Brhaspati, lord of the twelfth and
third houses. Mercury and Ketu started from 16/1 1977.
Budha... Budha sasthesa also." Sasthesa means lord of
house of disease. That is not good. Budha is Mercury.
Mercury is sasthesa also. Disease. That means disease,
Budha. "Sani has gone to eight house, house of death,
from 7th, September, 1977."
Tamala Krishna: That's Prabhupada's appearance day.
Pradyumna: "Sani is lagnesha in the eighth house and in
transit over Jupiter from 24th, September, exact, and Ketu
from 16th September, exact.
Tamala Krishna: What does that mean? Unless you know
astrology...
Pradyumna: That is not good, with this Sani and Ketu. "A
negative effect continues throughout October, 1977, to
November, 1977, and from lst of December, 1977, Saturn
becomes almost stationary." This is not a good thing. "And
becomes more malefic." That means it goes vakribhava, it
goes retrograde, and that is not good. "In January, 1978..."
It is dangerous time. "In January, 1978, to April, 1978, it
again traverses the same degrees and becomes stagnant on
Jupiter." In other words, Sani, Saturn, is going over, has
just gone over some planets, and that was very dangerous.
And it will go up. And then it will become very, very slow
and it will stop, and then it will reverse and go over the
same planets again. And that again will be very dangerous
time. Vakribhava: "It will become retrograde, will go in
reverse motion." "It again traverses the same degrees and
becomes stagnant on Jupiter and Ketu in the last week of
February, 1978." Stagnant means becomes stationary. It
won't move.
Tamala Krishna: For how long?
Pradyumna: That will only be for a day or two. It becomes
very slow again, and then will start up again. When it
becomes slow it does this(?) again. So that is why he's
saying that is a bad time. You have this bad time when it
went over, now it comes back and it will stop. "The native
has dirghayu, above seventy-five years of longevity."
Means you have dirghayu, long life, above seventy-five
years. But he cannot say how long. In the prasna lagna...
He has done prasna. Questioned how long will Prabhupada
live, he will do prasna, special chart. He will make
calculation. "In the prasna-lagna, Moon applies to Jupiter
on the first
day..."
Tamala Krishna: Whay day is this? 4th, October.
Pradyumna: Moon applies the first day... Moon applies to
Mars on the second day, Moon applies to Sani... Moon
applies to Sukra, mixed. He has asked... When someone
asks a question, that is prasna. So when you ask a question
he will do a special chart and he will calculate to find just
the answer to that question. So he has done this for some
prasna, and he's saying that in this prasna question he has
given the positions. And in the eighth house... The Moon
and Jupiter and Mars are in the eighth house. He says in
parenthesis, "Very bad. The patient may not recover."
These planets are in the eighth house, so eighth house is...
That is not a good house. "Sani with, Venus in kendra."
That is also not good. Sani is bad, Venus is good, but
Sani... Saturn, is bad. "In varsa-lagna." Then he has made
another chart for varsa-phala, to see what will happen this
year, beginning of year, what happened. When the year
began he'll make another varsa-phala.
Tamala Krishna: What is that? In the beginning of the
coming
year.
Pradyumna: Well, sometimes they make varsa-phala for
the birthday. Whatever Prabhupada's birthday is, on that
day this year they make one. On the day it was September
7, he'll make a chart exactly at that time and then he'll see
where the planets are. That will tell what will come till
next birthday.
Tamala Krishna: So when did he do it for? On the
birthday?
Pradyumna: I don't know which day he's done it for. It's
probably done it for the birthday this year. He's given
some positions, and he said, "Not good." He said, "Mars is
with Saturn in conjunction. Very bad. Hospitalization and
ill health intensified in the present year. The days not good
when the Moon passes in the 22nd, 23rd nakshatra."
Tamala Krishna: When is that? Then he gives the days.
Pradyumna: "27th, 28th, September."
Tamala Krishna: That's past.
Pradyumna: "And 24th, 25th, October, and 20th, 21st,
22nd, November, and 3rd and 4th, December. In the
prasna-lagna, lord eighth house, enemy of Saturn. Surya
will apply to Rahu." This is coming now... This is past.
That is on 28th...
Tamala Krishna: 8th, October.
Pradyumna: Yes. That was 8th.
Tamala Krishna: Prasna-lagna.
Pradyumna: Surya will come, transitted Rahu. This was on
8th, October.
Tamala Krishna: "Strength of lagna."
Pradyumna: Now he is telling in this prasna-lagna some
points. When he did this prasna, lord of lagna was
Mangala, or Mars. This lord of lagna is in eighth house.
That is not a good sign. First he says, "The strength of
lagna means nil." Lagna means health. Lagna means the
personality and the health." So strength of lagna, strength
of health--nil. Two, seventh house. Seventh and second
house are disease--strong. Health is weak and disease is
strong. Posited in the nth house. The native will not come
up..."
Tamala Krishna: "Astrologically."
Pradyumna: "Astrologically."
Tamala Krishna: What is that?
Pradyumna: I don't know what it means, but... It means
astrologically it doesn't seem he is... It is not very good
prediction. And third point is that the fourth lord is
aspecting. "Regarding the medicine--will not give any
relief. The native will make a fight for life as Surya,
Mangala are good friends, and Sani and Sukra are satru, or
enemies. There is no benefics in nine, six, eleven and
three."
Tamala Krishna: What does that mean?
Pradyumna: These are houses. Benefic means a good
planet. So ninth house is a good house. There is no... Six is
house of disease, but there's nothing good only something
bad. Ninth house is properity. Nothing good there.
Eleventh house is gain. Nothing good there. Third house,
not so... But it aspects the ninth. Nothing. Nothing to bring
the opposite. "Mangala indicates effects of..."
Tamala Krishna: Sakini.
Pradyumna: "Sakini"? "Pitar Jaladevi(?) combined.
Difficulty in recovery. Then another point. The seventh
dasa starts. So this is Venus, Sukra dasa. The seventh dasa
starts on l3th, January, 1978. This is ending of seven
years."
Tamala Krishna: For three years it goes. Three years.
Pradyumna: Oh, I'm sorry. "We have noticed that the
periods are all negative until March or April, 1978, and
main trouble was due to Sani. We have suggested that the
blue sapphire be tried, and he should keep it, putting." He
should keep it on. "Hospitalization and travels indicated.
The only remedy in this case is to do maha-mrtyum jaya
japa and havana. Previously also, now also, we have
recommend: Siva is the presiding Deity of Sani, and with
this the native will be able to overcome disease and
lifespan increases. Astrologically, it is up to eighty-one
years, four months, approximately. Japa and havana..."
Kirtanananda: What is up to eighty-four years?
Pradyumna: Eighty-one years, four months.
Kirtanananda: Is what?
Pradyumna: That is astrologically the length of life
approximately.
Prabhupada: So this japa, maha-mantra-japa, and
Bhagavata-patha that I am doing.
Tamala Krishna: And what?
Prabhupada: Srimad-Bhagavata-patha. So either read
Bhagavata or chant Hare Krsna. And let me lie down like
this, that's all, as it is going on. Huh? Can you make this
program?
Calcutta
23rd October, 1967
My dear Lilavati,
Please accept my blessings. I'm just in reciept of your
letter. Your child should be named Subhadra, the name
that you have already chosen, this is nice. Regarding the
horoscope, it is a nice idea and if I meet a good astrologer
I shall try to get one for your little child. I'm glad that you
have sent me the exact time and date of birth, this will
help.
N.B. I have purchased one Tambura for you costing Rs
106/- from Dwarkin & Sons. They have allowed me 20%
discount (special) on the price. This Tambura is going to
be booked by air cargo tomorrow by Ramanuja. The
charges will be too much. But hence forward you can
order directly to M/S Dwarkin & son, 8/2
Esplanade East, Calcutta-1. The price is Rs 125/= Less
20% and there will be no sale tax charges if you send the
amount by Bank draft in dollar direct to the firm. The will
pack & ship the instruments by surface which will be very
cheap. Always order in the ISKCON Stationery which are
printed with my name.
ACB
Los Angeles
16th May, 1970
My Dear Gurudas,
Please accept my blessings. I beg to acknowledge
receipt of your letters dated May 8th and 14th, 1970,
respectively. Previous to this I received one letter from
Yamuna dated 8th May, 1970.
Regarding the letter dated 8th May, you write therein
``the enclosed are humble offerings from all of your
disciples here,'' but I have not received any enclosures.
I am very glad that Trivikram is helping you there, and
he may stay as long as he likes. Rather I would like him to
stay there to assist you. So regarding my books, you may
keep them packed, and when he comes back he can bring
them, or if I require them urgently I will write you, for the
present there is no haste.
It is very good news that you have now received
permission for the Rathayatra festival and Murari and
Shyamsundar are constructing the Ratha. But I do not
know if you are preparing three Rathas. In San Francisco
they are preparing three Rathas this year.
If Mr. Dindayal is impressed, and he wants to start a
nice Temple of Radha-Krsna in the British Guinea,
certainly we will be very much pleased, but the Temple
should be on the principle of our London Temple which is
not for any particular sect of persons but for all human
beings. Anyone who takes to Krsna Consciousness is
welcome--that is our mission.
Regarding the proposed trip to Kenya, the next step I
have already advised to Tamal in this connection. I
understand he is coming to London very soon, and you can
discuss with him. But one thing is that Mr. Parikh was
talking of this Samkirtan Party to Africa since a very long
time. There is no direct correspondence with us. It is
difficult to say how it will be a fact in future.
Regarding requirements and recommendations in the
Vedic system of selecting partners for marriage, there is a
Vedic system, but that cannot be done here. It should be
made under the guidance of the guardians and the
selection should be made on the basis of astrological
equilibrium. So it is not possible to introduce such system
in the present age. The only selection is that both the boy
and the girl should be Krsna conscious, and the boy may
be older than the girl at least by 2 to 5 years.
Your first question about the jiva's form with particular
reference to Bhagavad Gita 8/18 purport ``during the
nighttime they have no form.'' ``During the nightime they
have no form'' means there is no material form. The simple
understanding is as we are transmigrating from one
material form to another, so actually in this material world
we have no fixed form. Similarly when we are spiritually
perfect we develop the spiritual form to live eternally in
the spiritual world. In the spiritual world there are exactly
the same things as we see here; namely the land, water,
trees, birds, beasts, human beings, etc., and all of them are
spiritual as all the varieties here are material.
So these things can be understood when one is
advanced in self-realization. The real form of the living
entity is eternal servant of Krsna. Now this spiritual form
is developed when he enters into the spiritual world.
Regarding your second question, ``Where in our
scriptures is there mention of Lord Jesus Christ as
recognized and what is the purport?''--We do not find in
the scriptures Lord Jesus Christ's name. There is mention
of Lord Buddha's name which is described in our Srimad
Bhagavatam. So far we are concerned, we have all our
obeisances for Lord Jesus Christ because His whole life
was devoted to the service of the Lord.
With reference to your letter dated 14th May, I am
surprised how you allowed Mr. Parikh to sit on the
Vyasasana. You know that Vyasasana is meant for the
representative of Vyasadeva, the Spiritual Master, but Mr.
Parikh does not come in the Parampara to become the
representative of Vyasa, neither he has any sound
knowledge of Vaisnava principles. I understand from your
letter that sometimes discussions on Aurobindo
philosophy are done by Mr. Parikh from the Vyasasana, so
I am a little surprised how did you allow like this. I think
you should rectify immediately all these mistakes as stated
by you in the last two lines of your letter, ``I think the best
thing to do is
stop his class. Nonsense ought not to be tolerated.''
Hope this will meet you in good health.
Your ever well-wisher,
A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami
ACBS:db
70-05-29
70-06B
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ACBS:db
70-06-34
Los Angeles
21st June, 1970
Paris
My Dear Tamal,
Please accept my blessings. I beg to acknowledge
receipt of your letter dated 18th June, 1970, sent by
Special Delivery Air Mail.
Krsna philosophy is understood as it is stated in the
Vedas: Yasya deve para bhakti yathadeve tatha gurou
 tasya ete kathitha hi artha prakasante mahatmanah
``One who has got unflinching faith in the Supreme Lord
and similar faith in his Spiritual Master to him only the
imports of Vedic knowledge become revealed.''
A Spiritual Master is always liberated. In any condition
of His life He should not be mistaken as ordinary human
being. This position of a Spiritual Master is achieved by
three processes. One is called saddhan siddha. That means
one who is liberated by executing the regulative principle
of devotional service. Another is kripa siddha, one who is
liberated by the mercy of Krsna or His devotee. And
another is nitya siddha who is never forgetful of Krsna
throughout his whole life. These are the three features of
the perfection of life.
So far Narada Muni is concerned, in His previous life
He was a maidservant's son, but by the mercy of the
devotees He later on became siddha and next life He
appeared as Narada with complete freedom to move
anywhere by the grace of the Lord. So even though He
was in his previous life a maidservant's son there was no
impediment in the achievement of His perfect spiritual
life. Similarly any living entity who is conditioned can
achieve the perfectional stage of life by the above
mentioned processes and the vivid example is Narada
Muni.
So I do not know why you have asked about my
previous life. Whether I was subjected to the laws of
material nature? So, even though accepting that I was
subjected to the laws of material nature, does it hamper in
my becoming Spiritual Master? What is your opinion?
From the life of Narada Muni it is distinct that although
He was a conditioned soul in His previous life, there was
no impediment of His becoming the Spiritual Master. This
law is applicable not only to the Spiritual Master, but to
every
living entity.
There are thousands of examples explained in our
books that the conditioned soul is never affected with the
material body. It is said in the Vedas asamga ayam purusa
which means the living entity is always unaffected with
matter. Another example is given that the reflection of the
moon on water appears to be moving, but actually the
moon is not moving, it is fixed up. So any living entity is
like that. His reflection on the material body appers to be
changing, but the spirit soul is fixed up, therefore this
movement is called illusion.
Liberation means liberation from this changing
condition.
So far I am concerned, I cannot say what I was in my
previous life, but one great astrologer calculated that I was
previously a physician and my life was sinless. Besides
that, to corroborate the statement of Bhagavad Gita
``sucinam srimatam gehe yogabhrasta samyayate'' which
means an unfinishesd yogi takes birth in rich family or
born of a suci or pious father. By the grace of Krsna I got
these two opportunities in the present life to be born of a
pious father and brought up in one of the richest,
aristocratic families of Calcutta (Kasinath Mullick). The
Radha Krsna Deity in this family called me to meet Him,
and therefore last time when I was in Calcutta, I stayed in
that temple along with my American disciples. Although I
had immense opportunities to indulge in the four
principles of sinful life because I was connected with a
very aristocratic family, Krsna always saved me, and
throughout my whole life I do not know what is illicit sex,
intoxication, meat-eating or gambling. So far my present
life is concerned, I do not remember any part of my life
when I was forgetful of Krsna.
So it is very good news that your centers are doing
well. And the program for opening several more new
centers is most encouragng to me. In the meantime, I am
eagerly awaiting to see the French and German editions of
our BTG printed, so please send me copies as soon as they
are printed. Hansadutta has also just written to me in this
connection of acquiring our own European printing press.
But I think that for the present there is not enough capital
to advance for this purpose. Also, unless we have very
good press equipment it is not very practical to print our
literatures ourselves. But in future if the opportunity is
there, then we shall consider further.
Regarding the invitation from Africa, I have not heard
anything about this from Gurudas until now, but I have
just asked him for the information.
Regarding your question how to carry your Deities to
different places with you, you should of course always
carry them personally if at all possible in a small box or
cabinet for the purpose. Then when you come to another
temple you may place Them on the altar with the other
Deities. That is nice.
Regarding your second question: what determines
whether a devotee goes to a Vaikuntha planet or to Goloka
Vrindavan?--Those devotees who are following biddhi
marg are meant for going to Vaikuntha planets and those
who are following raga marg are meant for going to
Krsnaloka. It is generally that the followers of Lord
Caitanya are going to Goloka Vrndavan. There is no
difference between the Vaikuntha planets and Krsnaloka,
it is a matter of personal taste only.
I have heard that the Ratha is almost completed in
London and it is expected that the Rathayatra Festival will
be very, very magnificent. So as you have suggested, this
will also be the best opportunity for the several programs
to be established by mutual consultation amongst
yourselves, yourself, Gurudas, Shyamsundar, Hansadutta,
Mukunda, etc. So please manage everything very nicely
and Krsna will provide all opportunities for expanding His
movement throughout the European countries. So see that
everything is done cooperatively. Then it will be very nice.
Hope this will meet you in good health.
Your ever well-wisher,
A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami
ACBS:db
Bombay
9th January, 1975
London
My dear Devamaya devi dasi, Shortly after this the price of gold was de-regulated and
Please accept my blessings. I am in due receipt of your over night went from $36/oz to hundreds, and oil which
letter dated Jan. 6th 1975 and have noted the contents. was going for under $5/barrel also sky-rocketed.
Thank you for your burfis. Regarding your questions, Prabhupada makes another prediction based on astrology.
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Regarding astrology, you should not listen to any of
these so-called astrologers--strictly avoid. Don't even see
them. What is the use of seeing them? Astrology is meant
for the materialist, but a spiritualist does not care for the
future. Everything is dependant upon Krishna. So where is
the necessity of astrology? The devotees' principle is, let
there happen anything as Krishna desires. Let me remain
sincere devotee, that's all. Pure devotee is never interested
in this astrology.
So, continue nicely with your deity worship there and
read my books very carefully, and without fail chant 16
rounds on your beads daily.
I hope this meets you in good health.
Your ever well-wisher,
A. C. Bhaktivedanta Svami
ACBS/ps
75-01-34

75-06A
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75-06-32
Honolulu
10th June, 1975

Alexandria, Australia

My dear Sanatan dasa,

Please accept my blessings. I am in due receipt of your
letter dated June 6, 1975 and have noted the contents. No,
you should not bother with all this nonsense. Astrology
will not save you at the time of death. My Guru Maharaja
was a great astrologer and astronomer, but he gave it all
up. It is meant for the karmis. We have no interest in such
things.
I hope this meets you in good health.
Your ever well-wisher,
A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami
ACBS/ps
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