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11-02-08 Where are the Missing Records of the Supreme Court of the United States?
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8 comments:

Human Rights Alert said...

Don't forget human error too, people do stupid things and make bad decisions.
Posted 3 hours ago by "SirWally" (R)
February 8, 2011 2:23 PM

Human Rights Alert said...

Quoted comment: Don't forget human error too, people do stupid things and make bad decisions.

Dear "SirWally":

Conditions in the Supreme Court of the United States could not possibly be deemed "Human Error" by a reasonable person.

If you read the records in the links at the end of the original posting, you would find there declarations under penalty of perjury by
persons who attempted to gain access to US Supreme Court records, but found none, or were simply denied access.
Posted very recently by "jz12345" (R)
February 8, 2011 2:23 PM

Human Rights Alert said...

So, America does or does not have a Freedom of Information Act?
If they do, who takes the Supreme Court to task for fucking up and losing files or outright corporate corruption and bribery?
If they're not accountable, uh, you're not really living in a free country, guys, what you've gotten yourselves into is a corporate
dictatorship.
.
Posted 5 hours ago by "michael567" (R)
February 8, 2011 2:24 PM

Human Rights Alert said...

Quoted comment: So, America does or does not have a Freedom of Information Act?
If they do, who takes the Supreme Court to task for fucking up and losing files or outright corporate corruption and bribery?
If they're not accountable, uh, you're not really living in a free country, guys, what you've gotten yourselves into is a corporate
dictatorship.
.

"Public Access to Court Electronic Records (PACER) is an electronic public access service that allows users to obtain case and
docket information from federal appellate, district and bankruptcy courts, and the PACER Case Locator via the Internet. PACER
is provided by the federal Judiciary in keeping with its commitment to providing public access to court information via a
centralized service."

http://www.pacer.gov/

"The predominant type of record the Federal courts create and maintain is a case file, which contains a docket sheet and all
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documents filed in a case. There are different ways to obtain the information.

The Public Access to Court Electronic Records (PACER) is an internet-based public access service. This allows users to locate
cases using the Case Locator and to obtain case and docket information from Federal appellate, district and bankruptcy courts.

Information on accessing opinions and

case-related documents for the Supreme Court of the United States is available on the court%u2019s website."

http://www.uscourts.gov/CourtRecords.aspx
Posted 4 hours ago by "migs1955" (R)
February 8, 2011 2:25 PM

Human Rights Alert said...

Quoted comment:
Quoted comment: So, America does or does not have a Freedom of Information Act?
If they do, who takes the Supreme Court to task for fucking up and losing files or outright corporate corruption and bribery?
If they're not accountable, uh, you're not really living in a free country, guys, what you've gotten yourselves into is a corporate
dictatorship.
.

"Public Access to Court Electronic Records (PACER) is an electronic public access service that allows users to obtain case and
docket information from federal appellate, district and bankruptcy courts, and the PACER Case Locator via the Internet. PACER
is provided by the federal Judiciary in keeping with its commitment to providing public access to court information via a
centralized service."

http://www.pacer.gov/

"The predominant type of record the Federal courts create and maintain is a case file, which contains a docket sheet and all
documents filed in a case. There are different ways to obtain the information.

The Public Access to Court Electronic Records (PACER) is an internet-based public access service. This allows users to locate
cases using the Case Locator and to obtain case and docket information from Federal appellate, district and bankruptcy courts.

Information on accessing opinions and

case-related documents for the Supreme Court of the United States is available on the court%u2019s website."

http://www.uscourts.gov/CourtRecords.aspx

Good
Posted 4 hours ago by "michael567" (R)
February 8, 2011 2:25 PM

Human Rights Alert said...

Quoted comment:
Quoted comment:
Quoted comment: So, America does or does not have a Freedom of Information Act?
If they do, who takes the Supreme Court to task for fucking up and losing files or outright corporate corruption and bribery?
If they're not accountable, uh, you're not really living in a free country, guys, what you've gotten yourselves into is a corporate
dictatorship.
.

"Public Access to Court Electronic Records (PACER) is an electronic public access service that allows users to obtain case and
docket information from federal appellate, district and bankruptcy courts, and the PACER Case Locator via the Internet. PACER
is provided by the federal Judiciary in keeping with its commitment to providing public access to court information via a
centralized service."

http://www.pacer.gov/

"The predominant type of record the Federal courts create and maintain is a case file, which contains a docket sheet and all
documents filed in a case. There are different ways to obtain the information.

The Public Access to Court Electronic Records (PACER) is an internet-based public access service. This allows users to locate
z Page 3/4 February 9, 2011

cases using the Case Locator and to obtain case and docket information from Federal appellate, district and bankruptcy courts.

Information on accessing opinions and

case-related documents for the Supreme Court of the United States is available on the court%u2019s website."

http://www.uscourts.gov/CourtRecords.aspx

Good

BAD, BAD, BAD...

1) "migs1955":

Sorry to say, you provided false information, perhaps inadvertently.

PACER is not used by the Supreme Court of the United States, and no public access system exists in the Supreme Court of the
United States that permits the public to see the actual orders or decisions, as signed by justices of the Court.
Moreover, as documented in the links to the original posting, multiple attempts to access the paper court records failed to
discover any orders or decisions in the paper court files. When access was requested to the electronic files - access was denied.

2) "michael567":

Access to court records is much more fundamental right than Freedom of Information. The Freedom of Information Act is only a
recent law, and it has large loopholes built into it.

* In the US: Access to court records is part of the rights in the First Amendment to the US Constitution.

* In England is it a centuries-old Common Law right.

* In International Law it is part of "Fair Hearings" - a fundamental Human Right.

In all these legal systems, public access to court records is recognized as quintessential for the safeguard of court integrity.

AND THE PROBLEM:

What do you do, when the highest court of the land, a "National Tribunal for Protection of Rights" pursuant to international law,
simply ignores the law and Human Rights?
Posted 3 mins ago by "jz12345" (R)
February 8, 2011 2:26 PM

Human Rights Alert said...

The plot thickens.

Bad then, got it.

Actually, very bad. And an excellent question which cuts right to the heart of the matter, my intelligent friend: What DO you do
when "the highest court in the land simply ignores the both law and human rights?" Are there no "legal" checks and balances in
place to prevent such an occurrence?
The founding fathers were fucking brilliant, from my perspective, they must have put something in the constitution providing for
this, no?
Or is the constitution really that dead a document now?

Posted 19 mins ago by "michael567" (R)

February 8, 2011 2:39 PM

Human Rights Alert said...

Dear "michael567":

Two comments:

1) "Are there no "legal" checks and balances in place to prevent such an occurrence?"
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The only check and balance provided in the US Constitution for such situation is impeachment.

Therefore, you may notice in the original posting, link was provided to a request, recently filed with the US Congress for
impeachment of William Suter, the Clerk of the US Supreme Court, for alleged violation of his Oath of Office.

The Clerk of the US Supreme Court is the custodian of the records of the US Supreme Court, and he took an Oath of Office to
"protect and defend the constitution of the united states".

However, the US Congress is notoriously timid when it comes to impeachments. In over 200 years less than 20 US judges have
been impeached, while the evidence shows that many, many more deserved that treatment.

Needless to say, conditions that today prevail in the Supreme Court of the United States cannot be reasonably deemed only the
fault of the Clerk. There is no way that such conditions could arise absent collusion by the Justices of the US Supreme Court.

However, the Clerk, William Suter, is the one who holds primary accountability for integrity of court records.

2) "Or is the constitution really that dead a document now?"

I leave it for you to judge...

Posted very recently by "jz12345" (R)

February 8, 2011 2:40 PM