@mathfour *hehehe* I'm the first here again...

*snicker* #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:00:30 +0000 - tweet id 61217779356930048 - #1

@ColinTGraham @mathfour Just because you schedule your tweets... some of us are
working on our poetry too! ;-P #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:01:28 +0000 - tweet id 61218020768497664 - #2

@ColinTGraham Hello everyone, welcome to this

t week's new #mathchat topic.
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:02:07 +0000 - tweet id 61218185134882816 - #3

@mathfour @ColinTGraham That is totally not a scheduled tweet. I'm just

good.#mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:03:05 +0000 - tweet id 61218428341600256
6121842834 - #4

@ColinTGraham For first-timers

first timers or newcomers to twitter, don't try to follow everything,
just interact with one or two people & don't forget ---> #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:03:13 +0000 - tweet id 61218463938646016 - #5

@irishscott RT @chrislehmann: Have you read @smartinez posts about Khan Academy
and math education? You should. http://bit.ly/ftCnxF #mathed #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:04:07 +0000 - tweet id 61218688765919232 - #6

@ColinTGraham Today's topic is: "How do I get students doing mathematics instead of
just learning about mathematics?" #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:04:19 +0000 - tweet id 61218738233552897 - #7

@ColinTGraham @mathfour Or eager, since

since Thursday's your favourite day for Twitter,
Bon! #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:04:59 +0000 - tweet id 61218906056032256 - #8

@davidwees I'll try and jump in on #mathchat today. What's the topic?
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:05:32 +0000 - tweet id 61219043729874944 - #9

@mathfour @ColinTGraham I wonder what that means - maybe how do we get students
to go into math as a field... or... #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:05:40 +0000 - tweet id 61219078219644928 - #10

@davidwees RT @ColinTGraham: Today's topic is: "How do I get students doing

mathematics instead of just learning about mathematics?" #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:05:57 +0000 - tweet id 61219149824802816 - #11

@mathfour @ColinTGraham Indeed it is - Not just this chat, butt also #HSMath chat in 2
hours (shameless plug) :D #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:06:18 +0000 - tweet id 61219238144249856
6121923814 - #12

Friday, 22nd April 2011 How do I get students doing mathematics instead of just learning about mathematics?
 @wilderlab @ColinTGraham: just read A Mathematician's Lament by Paul Lockhart, very
interesting, progressive thinking #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:06:19 +0000 - tweet id 61219241654890496 - #13

@davidwees Great question: I think we need to pull mathematical problems &

investigations from current issues in student's lives. #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:07:07 +0000 - tweet id 61219442222313473 - #14

@mathfour @wilderlab That's the official book for the book report in my classes.
cl Good
one! #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:07:41 +0000 - tweet id 61219586934185984 - #16

@ColinTGraham Doing mathematics... do we need to discuss what "doing mathematics"

looks like, or is, before we tackle getting Ss to do it? #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:07:41 +0000 - tweet id 61219585256464385 - #17

@davidwees Contextualize the math so that students see math as an activity which has
purpose in their lives. #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:07:55 +0000 - tweet id 61219644916244480 - #18

@mathfour @ColinTGraham Yes, yes! What is "doing mathematics"? #mathchat

Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:08:14 +0000 - tweet id 61219722938687488 - #19

@ColinTGraham @wilderlab Yes, it's kind of tug-the-carpet-from-under

tug under-your-feet that
provides more of a mathematician's view of the world... #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:09:02 +0000 - tweet id 61219925053812736 - #20

@Year7Numeracy @ColinTGraham Hi all. I thnk looking at "doing maths" will ensure we

are all on the same page to start #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:09:23 +0000 - tweet id 61220015810166784 - #21

@wilderlab @mathfour: the book was fantastic!

fantastic #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:09:34 +0000 - tweet id 61220062572462080 - #22

@davidwees Further we need to do more math problems which are open ended as per
@ddmeyer. #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:10:12 +0000 - tweet id 61220221482045440
6122022148204544 - #23

@ColinTGraham @mathfour Well we can easily that maths is not (just) about
"calculating" or "memorizing" or "using formulas"...
form #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:10:23 +0000 - tweet id 61220265207676928 - #24

@mathfour @davidwees Sounds like your definition of doing math is "doing their
homework" ? #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:10:27 +0000 - tweet id 61220282051997696
61220282 - #25

Friday, 22nd April 2011 How do I get students doing mathematics instead of just learning about mathematics?
 @shovon_rahman I learned math by building video games. And I just didn't learn about
math, but actually learned
d to do it in my day-to-day
day life. #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:10:38 +0000 - tweet id 61220329539899392 - #26

@CutTheKnotMath I think that whatever you agree on should make sense if you
substitute, say, "art" for "math", or is math is anyhow special? #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:10:55 +0000 - tweet id 61220402030055424 - #27

@wilderlab @ColinTGraham: I "found" Martin Gardner a few years ago, and it changed
how I saw and thought about mathematics #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:10:59 +0000 - tweet id 61220417267961856 - #28

@Year7Numeracy @davidwees spot on. Needs to be a purpose for the task or activity.
Once the purpose is clear learning takes place easier #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:11:02 +0000 - tweet id 61220430668767233 - #29

@mathfour @davidwees Which begs the question of "what is open ended?"#mathchat

ended?"
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:11:16 +0000 - tweet id 61220488806019072 - #30

@davidwees @mathfour God no, math homework, assigned by a teacher, is nearly

useless IMHO. #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:11:36 +0000 - tweet id 61220571987456000 - #31

@ColinTGraham @CutTheKnotMath In the the UK, most students doing history are behaving
as historians would, not just 'memorizing dates'... #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:12:04 +0000 - tweet id 61220689486684160 - #32

@Year7Numeracy @CutTheKnotMath work mate of mine created a maths test for Year
11's base don the video game Halo! #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:12:18 +0000 - tweet id 61220750283116544 - #33

@wilderlab Whatever we use with students, they must reason and construct out of logical
necessity #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:12:21 +0000 - tweet id 61220761603555328 - #34

@mathfour @davidwees I think there is value in assigning problems. But not necessarily
grading them on those. Offering some as practice.
pract #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:13:19 +0000 - tweet id 61221005682675712 - #35

@ColinTGraham @shovon_rahman The need to use maths can often guide you towards
the maths you need... did you change your approach later on? #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:13:21 +0000 - tweet id 61221013073043456 - #36

@CutTheKnotMath @ColinTGraham most students doing history are behaving

beh as
historians - this is great. Why not in math studies? #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:13:25 +0000 - tweet id 61221029925756930 - #37

Friday, 22nd April 2011 How do I get students doing mathematics instead of just learning about mathematics?
 @mathfour @ColinTGraham @shovon_rahman This is why I always thought that people
learn math the semester after they take it. #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:14:04 +0000 - tweet id 61221192677326848 - #38

@ColinTGraham @CutTheKnotMath
@CutTheKnotMath Probably because there is still this fixation on
remembering number bonds and being able to apply algorithms.... #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:14:10 +0000 - tweet id 61221219248246784
612212192482 - #39

@mathfour @CutTheKnotMath @ColinTGraham Because teachers don't know how real

mathematicians behave. #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:14:26 +0000 - tweet id 61221285493084160 - #40

@mathfour @CutTheKnotMath @ColinTGraham I taught a math class in college for

teachers - and it was a discouraging curriculum. #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:15:15 +0000 - tweet id 61221490493882369 - #41

@ColinTGraham @wilderlab Puzzles, games and problems are certainly intriguing

insights towards the kind of 'drill-down'
down' method of mathematicians #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:15:27 +0000 - tweet id 61221540594847744 - #42

@mathfour @CutTheKnotMath @ColinTGraham We deprive the teachers of the tools

they need to teach the best they can. #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:16:00 +0000 - tweet id 61221679661195264 - #43

@ColinTGraham @mathfour @CutTheKnotMath I also think think that many teachers who do
know, do not behave like mathematicians either... #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:16:20 +0000 - tweet id 61221761903112194 - #44

@wilderlab I also find @CutTheKnotMath @jamestanton @republicofmath @divbyzero

@MrHonner @7puzzle very valuable people to what we do #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:17:03 +0000 - tweet id 61221944439218176 - #45

@mathfour @ColinTGraham @CutTheKnotMath It is certainly easier to teach the test

than to teach the student. #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:17:16 +0000 - tweet id 61221997102907392 - #46

@Year7Numeracy @mathfour Interesting thought. #mathchat

Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:17:33 +0000 - tweet id 61222070914256896 - #47

@CutTheKnotMath @mathfour @ColinTGraham Because teachers teachers don't know how real
mathematicians behave - Do you think this could be changed? En masse #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:17:40 +0000 - tweet id 61222099792052226 - #48

@shovon_rahman @ColinTGraham Well, the thing about math is that there are (I think)
two ways to do them. #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:17:44 +0000 - tweet id 61222114837012480 - #49

Friday, 22nd April 2011 How do I get students doing mathematics instead of just learning about mathematics?
 @ColinTGraham @wilderlab Yes, it's easy to forget, sometimes, that non-maths
non teachers
enjoy exercising their own 'mental muscles' as well as Ss #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:18:09 +0000 - tweet id
d 61222220424425472 - #50

@mathfour @shovon_rahman @ColinTGraham 2 to the 100th, I would think.#mathchat

think.
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:18:29 +0000 - tweet id 61222305950482432 - #51

@Year7Numeracy @CutTheKnotMath @mathfour @ColinTGraham How would you go

about changing this? #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:20:23 +0000 - tweet id 61222780900868096 - #52

@ColinTGraham @jamestanton has a couple of videos about what he calls "Math Genius
Thinking" containing 5 elements of mathematical thought #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:20:33 +0000 - tweet id 61222825251450880 - #53

@davidwees @shovon_rahman @mathfour Homework assignments are either unneeded

practice or reinforcement of misconceptions. Practice in class. #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:20:41 +0000 - tweet id 61222859388891136 - #54

@shovon_rahman Here's something -- sorta -- related to math: programming. Personally,

Pers
I treated programming like anything else in my life. #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:21:19 +0000 - tweet id 61223016092286976 - #55

@ColinTGraham @Year7Numeracy @CutTheKnotMath @mathfour I think the idea of

play, and "what if..." explorations have to be increased markedly #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:21:22 +0000 - tweet id 61223030210310144 - #56

@mathfour Hmm...RT @davidwees: Homework assignments are either unneeded

practice or reinforcement of misconceptions. Practice in class. #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:22:02 +0000 - tweet id 61223196145360897
612 - #57

@davidwees @CutTheKnotMath Agree. What do mathematicians actually DO with their

time anyway? #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:22:04 +0000 - tweet id 61223204823384064 - #58

@shovon_rahman When I got to University, people treated exactly like math: long hours
of jibberish to get some grade that will land them a job. #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:22:15 +0000 - tweet id 61223252189642752 - #59

@ColinTGraham @shovon_rahman Programming is definitely related, and I think it's

it very
valuable as a route into Algebra. ProjectEuler.net (again) #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:22:17 +0000 - tweet id 61223262520225794 - #60

@mathfour @shovon_rahman Programming is VERY related to math. It's a great way to

teach logic. #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:22:32 +0000 - tweet id 61223325451550720 - #61

Friday, 22nd April 2011 How do I get students doing mathematics instead of just learning about mathematics?
 @mathfour @ColinTGraham @Year7Numeracy @CutTheKnotMath
@CutTheKnotMath Yes, but early. If not,
they don't do it early, we can't do it late. #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:23:24 +0000 - tweet id 61223539738554368 - #63

@CutTheKnotMath @davidwees What do mathematicians actually DO with their time

anyway? Trying to figure out #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:24:15 +0000 - tweet id 61223754805690368 - #64

@mathfour @davidwees @CutTheKnotMath

@CutTheKnotMath Unless you go to grad school, you can't
really know this, I think. #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:24:34 +0000 - tweet id 61223837336993792 - #65

@ColinTGraham @davidwees Well some, like Andrew Wiles spend most of their time
working on one problem... ;-) #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:24:44 +0000 - tweet id 61223879355547648 - #66

@davidwees @Neilstephenson
@Neilstephenson Beauty/fun are authentic experiences & very much
related to the lives of children. #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:25:02 +0000 - tweet id 61223954274197505 - #67

@mathfour Cry, think, stare at the ceiling, wonder, try, fail. RT@davidwees What do
mathematicians actually DO with their time anyway? #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:25:15 +0000 - tweet id 61224007218888704 - #68

@davidwees @mathfour @CutTheKnotMath Surely someone has studies

mathematicians & analyzed the activities they actually do? #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:25:39 +0000 - tweet id 61224107387260930 - #69

@ColinTGraham Let's run with this idea: What do mathematicians do? Maybe short two-
two
three-word phrases... #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:25:47 +0000 - tweet id 61224140954271744 - #70

@delta_dc We must model the Process Standards - problem solving, reasoning & proof,
representations, connections, and communication #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:26:08 +0000 - tweet id 61224229940637696 - #71

@remi_collins I think we often rob the children of the beauty of math by

b telling them the
secrets rather than letting them discove r them #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:26:18 +0000 - tweet id 61224273347489792 - #72

@ColinTGraham And comfort zones. RT @baevmilena:... Teaching-much

Teaching easier, test
scores-higher
higher if you teach algorithms. #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:26:36 +0000 - tweet id 61224345149784064 - #73

@mathfour RT @Neilstephenson
@Neilstephenson while i agree that authentic context is important do u
think kids might like math because of the fun of it? #mathchat
Friday, 22nd April 2011 How do I get students doing mathematics instead of just learning about mathematics?
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:26:47 +0000 - tweet id 61224392230846464 - #74

@mathfour Hey @Neilstephenson - use the hashtag #mathchat

Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:26:57 +0000 - tweet id 61224435209871360 - #75

@davidwees @remi_collins Agree. "Be less helpful." ~ @ddmeyer #mathchat

Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:27:01 +0000 - tweet id 61224453891305472 - #76

@ColinTGraham @remi_collins OK, don't think anyone would disagree! How do you get
them to do that? #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:27:12 +0000 - tweet id 61224500154466304 - #77

@shovon_rahman @ColinTGraham http://cstheory.stackexchange.com/

stheory.stackexchange.com/ #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:27:13 +0000 - tweet id 61224500506787840 - #78

@CutTheKnotMath @mathfour @davidwees Unless you go to grad school ... I agree.

What I think is this: may it be wrong to try with everyone? #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:27:14 +0000 - tweet id 61224506999570432 - #79

@remi_collins When we started exploring patterns

patterns together and they figure out the
algortthms on their own #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:27:43 +0000 - tweet id 61224629288701952 - #80

@mathfour YES!RT @remi_collins: We rob the children of the beauty of math by telling
them the secrets rather than letting them discover them #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:27:54 +0000 - tweet id 61224675073720320 - #81

@delta_dc @remi_collins Yes! My preservice teachers have embraced the mantra that
math is not taking the shortcut but finding the shortcut. #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:28:00 +0000 - tweet id 61224697509060608 - #82

@ColinTGraham Mathematicians make connections, ask "what if", look for patterns, know
their limits, define, postulate, deduce... #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:28:31 +0000 - tweet id 61224828262301696 - #83

@davidwees When I try and solve mathematical problems, I find myself researching,
messing around, taking long breaks, exploring. #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:28:34 +0000 - tweet id 61224842388701184 - #84

@remi_collins For too long I was teaching coping strategies

strategies and not math #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:28:40 +0000 - tweet id 61224868313694209 - #85

@shovon_rahman @remi_collins Agreed. What got me to learn math was not by looking
at the formula the teacher give us, but trying to figure out. #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:28:44 +0000 - tweet id 61224882633056256 - #86

Friday, 22nd April 2011 How do I get students doing mathematics instead of just learning about mathematics?
 @ColinTGraham @delta_dc @remi_collins Better still - explain why the shortcut works...
#mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:29:17 +0000 - tweet id 61225022190141440 - #87

@davidwees My favourite discovery from 9th grade was developing the quadratic formula
from scratch, on my own. #mathchat
#mathcha
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:29:19 +0000 - tweet id 61225032852062209 - #88

@wilderlab Children construct logico-mathematical

logico knowledge...
dge... often teachers restrict
student thinking #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:29:44 +0000 - tweet id 61225135310508032 - #89

@shovon_rahman @ColinTGraham @delta_dc @remi_collins True that! #mathchat

Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:29:55 +0000 - tweet id 61225182177669121 - #90

@delta_dc Schoenfeld has some interesting research on learning to problem-solve

problem that I
think could apply here. #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:30:04 +0000 - tweet id 61225221469908993 - #91

@mathfour @ColinTGraham @remi_collins I let them them do a few problems that are
really easy with me as the puppet. Then they make the rules #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:30:05 +0000 - tweet id 61225222451367936 - #92

@ColinTGraham @remi_collins That is a common experience for many... in the early

years of secondary ed, especially. #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:30:06 +0000 - tweet id 61225227765563393 - #93

@CutTheKnotMath @shovon_rahman @remi_collins Some formulas may take one's

breath away #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:30:10 +0000 - tweet id 61225244198842368 - #94

@mathfour @ColinTGraham @remi_collins Then I give them harder problems

pr to puppet
me on. So they then change the rules. And so on... #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:30:26 +0000 - tweet id 61225310091358208 - #95

@davidwees Student said today: "If an equation isn't a representation of anything in the
real world, why bother solving it?" #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:31:06 +0000 - tweet id 61225480979873792 - #96

@ColinTGraham @wilderlab
lderlab This is what @republicofmath refers to as "Cognitive theft"....
check out his blog #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:31:12 +0000 - tweet id 61225505004859392 - #97

@delta_dc @ColinTGraham @remi_collins Who does the explaining? I agree with

@garystager - "Less Us, More Them!" #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:31:15 +0000 - tweet id 61225518372093952 - #98

Friday, 22nd April 2011 How do I get students doing mathematics instead of just learning about mathematics?
 @erringreg RT @davidwees: Student said today: "If an equation isn't a representation of
anything in the real world, why bother solving it?" #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:31:31 +0000 - tweet id
d 61225586005258240 - #99

@davidwees I pointed out that the entire field of Group theory was thought to have no
practical application,
ication, until the Physics caught up. #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:31:33 +0000 - tweet id 61225593181716480 - #100

@mathfour NICE! RT @davidwees: My favourite discovery from 9th grade was

developing the quadratic formula from scratch, on my own. #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:31:36 +0000 - tweet id 61225604959322112 - #101

@remi_collins @ColinTGraham I think students

students need to understand that the algorithms
are short cuts, but they need to know how to get there 1st #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:31:49 +0000 - tweet id 61225661678878720 - #102

@shovon_rahman However, whatever I'm saying about on #mathchat

hchat is mostly
anecdotal. So don't take my word for it at a 100%.
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:32:03 +0000 - tweet id 61225717333102592 - #103

@mathfour @davidwees And I used to pick up guys by deriving it for them. Well, get
numbers anyway. #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:32:12 +0000 - tweet id 61225758223376385 - #104

@cindymariej RT @davidwees: Student said today: "If an equation isn't a representation

of anything in the real world, why bother
b solving it?" #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:32:28 +0000 - tweet id 61225823092490241 - #105

@ColinTGraham @delta_dc @remi_collins @garystager I thought it went without saying

explicitly that I meant the students should explain! #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:32:35 +0000 - tweet id 61225854587518976 - #106

@remi_collins @ColinTGraham problem with 140 characters

characte #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:33:18 +0000 - tweet id 61226033449414656 - #107

@davidwees @shovon_rahman Anecdotal evidence from someone w/ a different

perspective is valuable experience. Helps combat group-think.
group #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:33:23 +0000 - tweet id 61226053934391296 - #108

@delta_dc @ColinTGraham @remi_collins You know me - I am all about the explicit :)

#mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:33:23 +0000 - tweet id 61226052474765312 - #109

@CutTheKnotMath @mathfour @ColinTGraham @remi_collins Give a hard problem first

and teach them to simplify, try particular cases by themselves? #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:33:24 +0000 - tweet id 61226059168890880 - #110

Friday, 22nd April 2011 How do I get students doing mathematics instead of just learning about mathematics?
 @mathfour Great example! RT @davidwees: The entire field of Group theory was thought
to have no practical application, until Physics... #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:33:28 +0000 - tweet id 61226076407480320 - #111

@ColinTGraham @davidwees Einstein, Kepler, Newton, the L-guy(@Samuel_Hansen),

L guy(@Samuel_Hansen),
all used mathematics for their discoveries in science...#mathchat
science...
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:33:46 +0000 - tweet id 61226149593874432 - #112

@remi_collins @CutTheKnotMath I start simple so they can see the pattern and then try
to have them use that pattern with harder ones #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:33:57 +0000 - tweet id 61226197450899456 - #113

@towittertoo @cindymariej @davidwees are 9th graders developmentally ready to solve

abstract, non real-world-applicable
applicable problems? #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:34:46 +0000 - tweet id 61226402028072960 - #114

@ColinTGraham @shovon_rahman If there is a sufficient body of anecdote, it tends to

gain momentum... we're not all quantitative data-munchers!
data #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:35:05 +0000 - tweet id 61226481568858112 - #115

@mathfour @CutTheKnotMath
@CutTheKnotMath @ColinTGraham @remi_collins Nope - I give small
simple problems and then have them tweak as they get bigger #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:35:21 +0000 - tweet id 61226550107979776 - #116

@cherraolthof RT @davidwees: Student said today: "If an equation isn't a representation

of anything in the real world, whyy bother solving it?" #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:35:30 +0000 - tweet id 61226586896216065 - #117

@delta_dc Does everything need to be related to real-life?

real life? Can't math be the context
sometimes? #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:35:30 +0000 - tweet id 61226585424007168 - #118

@mathfour Me too RT @remi_collins: I start simple so they can see the pattern and then
try to have them use that pattern with harder ones #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:35:43 +0000 - tweet id 61226640348418049 - #119

@davidwees @towittertoo @cindymariej Some cases yes. However, developmentally

they are very focused on self & initiating break from parents. #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:35:46 +0000 - tweet id 61226651954061312 - #120

@ColinTGraham @remi_collins_collins Some algorithms were also necessary as a means of

doing calculations more quickly, those can be 'forgotten'... #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:35:57 +0000 - tweet id 61226699995611137
61226699995 - #121

@remi_collins @delta_dc I think so, like any subject it is how it is presented#mathchat

presented
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:36:00 +0000 - tweet id 61226711043420161 - #122

Friday, 22nd April 2011 How do I get students doing mathematics instead of just learning about mathematics?
 @remi_collins @ColinTGraham I think if the "math " is understood, the algorithms are not
forgotten #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:36:32 +0000 - tweet id 61226845944815616 - #123

@wilderlab I have been worried about the faith in math ed programs and empirical
approaches by educators, why not faith in students thinking #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:36:47 +0000 - tweet id 61226908481884160 - #124

@tjhouston RT @davidwees: Student said 2day If an equation isn't a representation of

anything in the real world why bother solving it? #mathchat agreed
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:37:27 +0000 - tweet id 61227077029998592 - #125

@ColinTGraham @cindymariej @davidwees Because it may actually lead to

t something
which does have a representation. Why climb Everest? #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:38:06 +0000 - tweet id 61227240133902336 - #126

@delta_dc @wilderlab say more #mathchat

Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:38:17 +0000 - tweet id 61227289211449344
612272892114 - #127

@silveredfern RT @tjhouston: RT @davidwees: Student said 2day If an equation isn't a

representation of anything in
n the real world why bother solving it? #mathchat agreed
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:38:34 +0000 - tweet id 61227358480367617 - #128

@ColinTGraham @towittertoo @cindymariej @davidwees Who says they aren't? Has

anyone tried? "Stand and Deliver" springs to mind... #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:39:02 +0000 - tweet id 61227477003018240 - #129

@CutTheKnotMath @remi_collins Start Start simple. I understand. Start hard & ask to find
patterns by looking at particular cases. http://bit.ly/htzavv #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:39:09 +0000 - tweet id 61227506069544960 - #130

@SchoolmarmDE Any thoughts from this group about math testing that incorporates
in
much written & drawn explanations as answers? #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:39:19 +0000 - tweet id 61227548029370368 - #131

@shovon_rahman @ColinTGraham @cindymariej @davidwees I think the 9th grader

that said that was pretty frustrated with his/her progress in math. #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:39:34 +0000 - tweet id 61227609194889216 - #132

@mathfour @SchoolmarmDE Hey there! What do you mean "written and drawn
explanations?" #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:40:23 +0000 - tweet id 61227816573865984 - #133

@wilderlab @delta_dc: more #mathchat

Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:40:25 +0000 - tweet id 61227826124296192
1227826124296192 - #134

Friday, 22nd April 2011 How do I get students doing mathematics instead of just learning about mathematics?
 @davidwees @SchoolmarmDE I'm okay w/ written explanations, so long as other choices
of representation are at least occasionally used as well. #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:40:32 +0000 - tweet id 61227852909125632 - #135

@ColinTGraham @delta_dc What's the point of throwing or kicking an inflated pig's

bladder around a field... Why paint? Why dance?... #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:40:52 +0000 - tweet id 61227938913329152 - #136

@delta_dc @ColinTGraham @cindymariej

@cindymariej @davidwees I think "When will I ever use
this?" is a trap, because I do not know for sure. #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:40:54 +0000 - tweet id 61227947838803968 - #137

@remi_collins @CutTheKnotMath I think the particular cases is key, and I also think it is
knowing your class and the climate that you have #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:41:07 +0000 - tweet id 61227999839793152 - #138

@towittertoo @ColinTGraham @cindymariej @davidwees not saying can't-

can't wondering y
hinge entire curriculums on abstract when so much real exists #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:41:23 +0000 - tweet id 61228067015753728 - #139

@ColinTGraham @baevmilena Remember to use the #mathchat hashtag!

Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:41:35 +0000 - tweet id 61228119486513152 - #140

@delta_dc @wilderlab HAHA! Please say more about faith in student thinking.#mathchat
thinking.
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:41:38 +0000 - tweet id 61228131587067905 - #141

@mathfour @ColinTGraham @delta_dc Oooo! OOO! I know the answer - BECAUSE IT'S
FUN! #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:41:44 +0000 - tweet id 61228155008061440 - #142

@davidwees @delta_dc @ColinTGraham @cindymariej

@cindymariej Be careful w/ the analogy. 99.9%
of people will use less than 10% of the math we teach. #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:41:56 +0000 - tweet id 61228207931793408 - #143

@Year7Numeracy @SchoolmarmDE I encourage my students to give their answer in the

best way that they can express themselves - working crucial #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:41:58 +0000 - tweet id 61228213195644928 - #144

@ColinTGraham @mathfour @delta_dc Oh Bon, you're using that f-word

f again...!
#mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:42:10 +0000 - tweet id 61228263430832128 - #145

@mathfour @towittertoo @ColinTGraham @cindymariej @davidwees I say do

both.#mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:42:12 +0000 - tweet id 61228271307718656 - #146

Friday, 22nd April 2011 How do I get students doing mathematics instead of just learning about mathematics?
 @remi_collins @SchoolmarmDE
@SchoolmarmDE I went to much more written solutions and fewer
problems including journalling instead of math drills #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:42:16 +0000 - tweet id 61228289481650176 - #147

@davidwees @delta_dc @ColinTGraham @cindymariej And the explorations in math are

done by professionals, who have a choice to do math. #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:42:21 +0000 - tweet id 61228308657999872 - #148

@ColinTGraham @davidwees @delta_dc @cindymariej And that is the fault of the

curriculum, not the way in which we deliver it... #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:42:48 +0000 - tweet id 61228422164254721 - #150

@davidwees @delta_dc @ColinTGraham @cindymariej Our curriculums for math should

reflect the developmental nature of abstract reasoning. #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:42:50 +0000 - tweet id 61228431752429568 - #151

@mathfour Great! RT @Year7Numeracy: I encourage students to give answer in the best

way that they can express themselves - working crucial #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:43:00 +0000 - tweet id 61228475775844353 - #152

@Year7Numeracy @SchoolmarmDE Diagrams, etc as very welcome as students learn

and express themselves in diff ways. Shouldn't b written only #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:43:08 +0000 - tweet id 61228508252352512 - #153

@davidwees @ColinTGraham @delta_dc @cindymariej Agree. Our curriculum focuses

too much on everyone taking calculus. #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:43:18 +0000 - tweet id 61228551730499584 - #154

@towittertoo @mathfour @ColinTGraham @cindymariej @davidwees wish form followed

function more often in math edu (sorry a hs math hater here) #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:43:28 +0000 - tweet id 61228592700469248 - #155

@delta_dc @davidwees @colintgraham @cindymariej they'll

they'll need to problem solve,
reason, connect, communicate, represent - process standards #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:43:32 +0000 - tweet id 61228609158905856 - #156

@mathfour @davidwees @delta_dc @ColinTGraham @cindymariej And who writes it?

And who approves it? The government (based on $) #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:44:01 +0000 - tweet id 61228728281333760 - #157

@ColinTGraham @SchoolmarmDE That would need Ss to understand that the

communication of results is part of being a mathematician. Expensive too! #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:44:03 +0000 - tweet id 61228740193165312 - #158

@delta_dc @davidwees @colintgraham @cindymariej Yes! We need to refocus on

quantitative literacy. #mathchat
Friday, 22nd April 2011 How do I get students doing mathematics instead of just learning about mathematics?
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:44:17 +0000 - tweet id 61228798661767168 - #159

@jjash #mathchat add context to numbers and you'll be adding meaning. 50% 50cents 50
deg and more. Look for Maths in the enviro get kids to search
se
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:44:48 +0000 - tweet id 61228927061999617 - #160

@delta_dc @mathfour @davidwees @colintgraham @cindymariej

@cindymariej The current system
makes consumers not creators. #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:44:53 +0000 - tweet id 61228949321154561 - #161

@davidwees @delta_dc @colintgraham @cindymariej The TED talk about switching from
calculus at pinnacle to statistics & probability was good. #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:44:56 +0000 - tweet id 61228960884858880 - #162

@ColinTGraham OK, let's try and get back on track with getting students to DO
mathematics, with whatever curriculum is thrown at us! #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:45:22 +0000 - tweet id 61229069878042624
61229069878 - #163

@smartinez @davidwees hey, did you guys talk about the NY Times Jump math article?
#mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:45:30 +0000 - tweet id 61229103663169536 - #164

@wilderlab @delta_dc: unfortunately, currently math ed seems to focus more on

rightness or wrongness, and uniform approach... #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:45:31 +0000 - tweet id 61229106129420289
6122910612 - #165

@mathfour Perfectly said. RT @ColinTGraham: the communication of results is part of

being a mathematician #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:45:37 +0000 - tweet id 61229134319321088 - #166

@delta_dc @davidwees @colintgraham @cindymariej which one was that? How did I
miss it? #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:45:46 +0000 - tweet id 61229171363418112 - #167

@ColinTGraham @smartinez @davidwees Not directly but it's been doing the rounds
over the past couple of days... I'll post the link later. #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:46:12 +0000 - tweet id 61229277521256448 - #168

@davidwees @smartinez No, not yet. I need to do research on Jump before I can talk
about it intelligently. #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:46:20 +0000 - tweet id 61229313353199616 - #169

@SchoolmarmDE @mathfour In our case, scoring rubrics for #DSTP involve much
drawing and english . #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:46:39 +0000 - tweet id 61229392612962304 - #170

Friday, 22nd April 2011 How do I get students doing mathematics instead of just learning about mathematics?
 @shovon_rahman @ColinTGraham I remember a high school teacher that really
persuaded his students to think critically about a problem. #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:46:48 +0000 - tweet id 61229428813996032 - #171

@mathfour Everyone keeps writing the right stuff. I'm always RTing this time: RT
@delta_dc: The current system makes consumers not creators. #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:46:49 +0000 - tweet id 61229436464406528 - #172

@delta_dc @wilderlab Yes, that is why I like to think about math from a language
acquisition approach #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:46:53 +0000 - tweet id 61229450343354368 - #173

@smartinez @davidwees i'll be interested. finally read the article. hoping some of it is just
newspaper missing the real story #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:46:58 +0000 - tweet id 61229473420419072 - #174

@davidwees @smartinez From the article, it sounds like "reduce cognitive

cogn load but keep
teaching same curriculum" so need to clarify. #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:46:58 +0000 - tweet id 61229472669646848 - #175

@Year7Numeracy @ColinTGraham @mathfour @delta_dc amazing how much lrning

takes place when kids don't realise it - coz they're having FUN! #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:47:01 +0000 - tweet id 61229483675484160 - #176

@ColinTGraham @davidwees @smartinez It seems very much like Zones of Proximal

development at a micro-level,
level, from what I've seen of it... #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:47:16 +0000 - tweet id
d 61229548372635648 - #177

@shovon_rahman @ColinTGraham And another thing is that students really have their
own unique ways of thinking. #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:47:24 +0000 - tweet id 61229582614925313 - #178

@delta_dc @Year7Numeracy @colintgraham @mathfour Learning is natural - schools

have made it unnatural. #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:47:52 +0000 - tweet
weet id 61229698096709632 - #179

@mathfour @wilderlab @delta_dc It's the time of Harrison Bergerac for math.
*sigh*#mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:48:06 +0000 - tweet id 61229757014093824 - #180

@smartinez @ColinTGraham it may be a very literal interpretation of ZPD... not sure it's
correct #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:48:07 +0000 - tweet id 61229763787886592 - #181

@millerblair RT @remi_collins: I think we often rob the children of the beauty of math by
telling them the secrets rather than letting them discove r them #mathchat
Friday, 22nd April 2011 How do I get students doing mathematics instead of just learning about mathematics?
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:48:11 +0000 - tweet id 61229778631528448 - #182

@davidwees @shovon_rahman @ColinTGraham IMHO, the uniqueness of human

thought is what is missing in general from education today. #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:48:36 +0000 - tweet id 61229884407689217 - #183

@ColinTGraham @shovon_rahman And it's also very very important to validate those
approaches and methods of thinking, especially non-algorithmic
non ones! #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:48:39 +0000 - tweet id 61229894746648576 - #184

@davidwees We have millions of children in schools, huge diversity of thought, but we

want them all to think the same. #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:49:11 +0000 - tweet id 61230031736815616 - #185

@mathfour @SchoolmarmDE What's #DSTP? #mathchat

Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:49:24 +0000 - tweet id 61230084656340992
61230084656340 - #186

@davidwees RT @ColinTGraham: OK, let's try and get back on track with getting
students to DO mathematics, with whatever
what curriculum is thrown at us! #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:49:46 +0000 - tweet id 61230178659090432 - #187

@ColinTGraham Getting Ss to do mental arithmetic then write out what they did in their
head is always fascinating... 5 apps downloaded at $1.59 #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:50:00 +0000 - tweet id 61230234334277632 - #188

@delta_dc @smartinez @colintgraham

@colintgraham that's my take. If it's just details, count me out but
if it includes sharing thinking it might be useful #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:50:05 +0000 - tweet id 61230257407135744 - #189

@Year7Numeracy @wilderlab agree. That's exactly the culture I'm trying to rid in my
classes. Mistakes encouraged & embraced
embrace to further learning #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:50:05 +0000 - tweet id 61230256757018625 - #190

@halebone !!! RT @davidwees: We have millions of children in schools, huge diversity of

thought, but we want them all to think the same. #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:50:08 +0000 - tweet id 61230269402849280 - #191

@MeghanBenson @davidwees I just taught the quadratic

quadratic formula! Learning through
discovery is one of my favorite teaching methods #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:50:17 +0000 - tweet id 61230305268350976 - #192

@SchoolmarmDE @mathfour That's our state assessment instrument. #mathchat

Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:50:26 +0000 - tweet id 61230345315561472 - #193

@Year7Numeracy @shovon_rahman how did this teacher go about doing

that?#mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:50:58 +0000 - tweet id 61230480934174720 - #194

Friday, 22nd April 2011 How do I get students doing mathematics instead of just learning about mathematics?
 @davidwees @ColinTGraham Students exploring their own area of interest in
mathematics could be good. #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:50:59 +0000 - tweet id 61230482276352000 - #195

@mathfour @Year7Numeracy @ColinTGraham @delta_dc Learning on the con... a post

a started this morning. or http://tinyurl.com/3u2y39q #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:51:25 +0000 - tweet id 61230591017877504 - #196

@davidwees @MeghanBenson My teacher showed me completing the square on an

example w/ numbers. I went home & played w/ it with variables. #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:51:29 +0000 - tweet id 61230608990470146 - #197

@ColinTGraham @smartinez Seems to have had an impact where used, but I wonder
how much of that is because of the interaction with teacher... #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:51:30 +0000 - tweet id 61230614761844738 - #198

@smartinez @davidwees ooops. i didn't notice the hashtag. sorry if that was off topic.
#mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:51:48 +0000 - tweet id 61230689932161025 - #199

@davidwees @MeghanBenson And happened to produce the quadratic formula. I was

like, "Neat." #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:51:50 +0000 - tweet id 61230698249469953
6123 - #200

@wilderlab @Year7Numeracy: excellent! #mathchat

Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:51:54 +0000 - tweet id 61230714322042880 - #201

@mathfour @delta_dc @Year7Numeracy @colintgraham

@colintgraham I totally agree. Very sad.
Almost need to take the schools out of education. #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:52:16 +0000 - tweet id 61230804948353024 - #202

@cindymariej @delta_dc @davidwees @colintgraham Oh my goodness, I leave the

room and miss a whole convo in #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:52:36 +0000 - tweet id 61230891657203713 - #203

@Year7Numeracy @delta_dc lta_dc conformity has much to do with this. Not everyone is the
same yet expected to learn the same #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:52:39 +0000 - tweet id 61230904865067011 - #204

@ColinTGraham @davidwees Individual or small-group

small group approaches are often done in
primary schools here, but 2ndry seems a lot more content-heavy
con #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:52:54 +0000 - tweet id 61230965669900288 - #205

@delta_dc @ColinTGraham @smartinez A good point - learning has a lot to do with

relationships between teacher and learner #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:53:03 +0000 - tweet id 61231003217297408 - #206

Friday, 22nd April 2011 How do I get students doing mathematics instead of just learning about mathematics?
 @mathfour RT @Year7Numeracy: Mistakes encouraged & embraced to further learning
lear
#mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:53:08 +0000 - tweet id 61231024918630401 - #207

@davidwees @ColinTGraham One problem is that math teachers seem to think that they
need to show how to do every possible case. #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:53:21 +0000 - tweet id 61231080593829888 - #208

@ColinTGraham @delta_dc @smartinez We often miss out on the peer-peer

peer learning
that mathematicians do at higher levels of specialism... #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:53:51 +0000 - tweet id 61231203264630784 - #209

@davidwees @ColinTGraham Showing every case makes doing math even more
algorithmic. It's like picking up kids & carrying them over hurdles. #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:54:08 +0000 - tweet id 61231274966253568 - #210

@delta_dc @Year7Numeracy Exactly - @SirKenRobinson talks about the difference

between conformity and creativity #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:54:14 +0000 - tweet id 61231299993677824 - #211

@smartinez @ColinTGraham Alfie Kohn has research showing that direct instruction
interventions produce near term gains, long term
ter losses #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:54:39 +0000 - tweet id 61231405262307331 - #212

@ColinTGraham @davidwees That's related to one of @jamestanton's five elements:

being comfortable with saying: "I don't know!" #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:54:45 +0000 - tweet id 61231429903859712 - #213

@debwhite RT @davidwees: We have millions of children in schools, huge diversity

d of
thought, but we want them all to think the same. #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:54:53 +0000 - tweet id 61231463407943680 - #214

@Year7Numeracy @ColinTGraham couldn't agree more. Many just don't grasp those
basic skills. Eg rounding and using it effectively #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:55:10 +0000 - tweet id 61231536263004160 - #215

@delta_dc @ColinTGraham
raham @smartinez But there's the group in between, too. Math
teachers need to do math together as well - just for fun #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:55:17 +0000 - tweet id 61231564251611136
6123156425161 - #216

@davidwees Question: How many students think that a measurement w/ their ruler is
"exact"? #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:55:42 +0000 - tweet id 61231669767716864 - #217

@ColinTGraham The whole question of when and how to intervene is probably something
we need to come back to and discuss separately! #mathchat
Friday, 22nd April 2011 How do I get students doing mathematics instead of just learning about mathematics?
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:55:49 +0000 - tweet id
d 61231698339303424 - #218

@davidwees Where in your curriculum do you talk about error in standard

measurements? #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:56:24 +0000 - tweet id 61231846880591872 - #219

@MmeVeilleux @davidwees My hand is up. #mathchat

Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:57:01 +0000 - tweet id 61232000534708224 - #220

@SchoolmarmDE @Year7Numeracy Some children are more comfortable with

estimates/ballparking, some prefer accuracy. #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:57:11 +0000 - tweet id 61232045405380608 - #221

@mathfour @ColinTGraham So I guess maybe if you solidified the definition of "doing

math" we could get back on track. Maybe? #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:57:15 +0000 - tweet id 61232061448593408 - #222

@ColinTGraham @davidwees And how many can use a ruler to measure anywhere near
accurately? And wouldn't lasers be better... or tape measures... #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:57:24 +0000 - tweet id 61232099612569600 - #223

@MmeVeilleux #mathchat @davidwees How exact do you want measurements to be and

with what age?
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:57:28 +0000 - tweet id 61232115567702018 - #224

@wilderlab I would hope that educators of young students would think about what is
developmentally appropriate... read, you know? #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:57:43 +0000 - tweet id 61232176288628736 - #225

@Year7Numeracy @mathfour Slightly drastic :) Just need to improve what we have and
how we do it #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:57:47 +0000 - tweet id 61232194638725120
612321946387 - #226

@davidwees @MmeVeilleux I'd like kids to recognize that any measurement is by

definition inexact. #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:58:01 +0000 - tweet id 61232252650131456 - #227

@jeffreyborsuk @davidwees nearly all students think that their rulers provide an exact
measurement. #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:58:03 +0000 - tweet id 61232263047806976 - #228

@MeghanBenson Looking forward to work tomorrow; My high schoolers are creating

songs/ dances so they will never forget the Quadratic Formula! #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:58:24 +0000 - tweet id 61232351535042560 - #229

@davidwees @MmeVeilleux A measurement should not be separated from the error in

the measurement. #mathchat
Friday, 22nd April 2011 How do I get students doing mathematics instead of just learning about mathematics?
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:58:29 +0000 - tweet id 61232370426200064 - #230

@ColinTGraham @mathfour Well I did try! Let's throw out statements beginning:
Mathematicians....
.... to suggest what we'd like to see our Ss doing. #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:58:34 +0000 - tweet id 61232392374992896 - #231

@Year7Numeracy @davidwees and some maths teacher don't ever want to be seen to
make a mistake!! #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:59:05 +0000 - tweet id 61232523056906240 - #232

@davidwees @Neilstephenson @millerg6 I think the answer to your

your question depends on
the developmental age of the children. #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:59:10 +0000 - tweet id 61232541553799168 - #233

@mathfour @Year7Numeracy I think the bossman @ColinTGraham is trying to get the

chat back on topic. I'm trying to be the good kid... ;-)
; #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:59:23 +0000 - tweet id 61232599116419072 - #234

@wilderlab @ColinTGraham @davidwees: Kamii has done fantastic research on

teaching measurement with young children #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:59:34 +0000 - tweet id 61232645362814976 - #235

@ColinTGraham @wilderlab But also don't cut off the conceptual building blocks because
the end is too abstract just now...(eg calculus with 4yo) #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:59:41 +0000 - tweet id 61232672059572224 - #236

@smartinez @mathfour what is the topic. i missed the beginning #mathchat

Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:59:50 +0000 - tweet id 61232710739439616 - #237

@mathfour @MeghanBenson Have you heard of Math In Your Feet? #mathchat

Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:59:54 +0000 - tweet id 61232729001439232 - #238

@EarlSamuelson RT @ColinTGraham: Mathematicians

Mathematicians make connections, ask "what if",
look for patterns, know their limits, define, postulate, deduce... #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 01:00:13 +0000 - tweet id 61232808680620032 - #239

@MmeVeilleux What?! You make mistakes! Well, get me outta here ...
#mathchat@Year7Numeracy
@Year7Numeracy @davidwees am looking for my own kind ;)
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 01:00:20 +0000 - tweet id 61232836715364352 - #240

@mathfour Mathematicians think hard and try different things to solve

problems.#mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 01:00:31 +0000 - tweet id 61232883301494784 - #241

@mathfour Mathematicians are often wrong, and they're comfortable with that. #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 01:00:46 +0000 - tweet id 61232945586905090 - #242

Friday, 22nd April 2011 How do I get students doing mathematics instead of just learning about mathematics?
 @ColinTGraham Last two minutes: Mathematicians... complete the sentence with things
you'd like to see your students doing more of in class #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 01:00:54 +0000 - tweet id 61232977388122112 - #243

@delta_dc Mathematicians pose problems that alter the known so that they can explore
the new. #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 01:01:00 +0000 - tweet id 61233004164550657 - #244

@MmeVeilleux @ColinTGraham @mathfour #mathchat Do you want us to follow your

prompt "Mathematicians..."
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 01:01:00 +0000 - tweet id 61233002189045760 - #245

@Year7Numeracy @MeghanBenson how did you teach it? #mathchat

Fri, 22 Apr 2011 01:01:01 +0000 - tweet id 61233010334375936 - #246

@smartinez Mathematicians... make sense of the world #mathchat

Fri, 22 Apr 2011 01:01:10 +0000 - tweet id 61233046136946688 - #247

@iearnusa RT @smartinez: Mathematicians... make sense of the world #mathchat

Fri, 22 Apr 2011 01:01:22 +0000 - tweet id 61233097689149440 - #248

@MmeVeilleux RT @delta_dc: Mathematicians pose problems that alter the known so

that they can explore the new. #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 01:01:31 +0000 - tweet id 61233133667885056 - #249

@mathfour @smartinez How How do you get students to do math more and not just learn
about it. (we're clarifying what "do math" means, now) #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 01:01:35 +0000 - tweet id 61233150696767488 - #250

@ColinTGraham Mathematicians... try to solve the same thing from different

angles#mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 01:01:37 +0000 - tweet id 61233161325129728 - #251

@mathfour Holy cow - is it 8pm already? #mathchat

Fri, 22 Apr 2011 01:01:49 +0000 - tweet id 61233208997588993 - #252

@SchoolmarmDE Mathematicians use numbers as part of describing their

reality.#mathchat @mathfour
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 01:01:56 +0000 - tweet
et id 61233237271392256 - #253

@MmeVeilleux RT @smartinez: Mathematicians... make sense of the world#mathchat

world
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 01:02:00 +0000 - tweet id 61233254451261440 - #254

@smartinez @SchoolmarmDE don't worry - it's only 6PM here! it's early! #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 01:02:10 +0000 - tweet id 61233297212182528 - #255

Friday, 22nd April 2011 How do I get students doing mathematics instead of just learning about mathematics?
 @MmeVeilleux RT @SchoolmarmDE: Mathematicians use numbers as part of describing
their reality. #mathchat @mathfour
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 01:02:21 +0000 - tweet id 61233342468726784 - #256

@davidwees I agree. What Sylvia said

said => RT @smartinez: Mathematicians... make sense
of the world #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 01:02:23 +0000 - tweet id 61233352946102272 - #257

@MmeVeilleux RT @ColinTGraham: Mathematicians... try to solve the same thing from

different angles #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 01:02:24 +0000 - tweet id 61233356028903424 - #258

@ColinTGraham Mathematicians make as few assumptions

assumptions as possible #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 01:02:30 +0000 - tweet id 61233382545293312 - #259

@delta_dc Here is what preservice MS teachers think it means to do math -

http://t.co/PMvDLWt #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 01:02:32 +0000 - tweet id 61233391462387713 - #260

@memolp RT @mathfour: Mathematicians think hard and try different things to solve
problems. #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 01:02:33 +0000 - tweet id 61233395480535040 - #261

@mathfour Need more? We're talking math in museums in 1 hour on #HSMath tweet chat.
http://goo.gl/lcQyy #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 01:02:42 +0000 - tweet id 61233433745174528 - #262

@ltfrombc RT @davidwees: We have millions of children in schools, huge diversity of

thought, but we want them all to think the same. #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 01:02:58 +0000 - tweet id 61233501139255296 - #263

@ColinTGraham OK, that's a wrap again... where did the time go? Thanks for your
contributions everyone. #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 01:03:14 +0000 - tweet id 61233566838833152 - #264

@tonnet RT @MmeVeilleux: @ColinTGraham @mathfour #mathchat Do you want us to

follow your prompt "Mathematicians..."
Mathematicians..."
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 01:03:19 +0000 - tweet id 61233586212323328 - #265

@smartinez @ColinTGraham Engineers make as many assumptions as possible ;-)

;
#mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 01:03:23 +0000 - tweet id 61233602905649152 - #266

@MmeVeilleux RT @ColinTGraham: Mathematicians make as few assumptions as

possible #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 01:03:26 +0000 - tweet id 61233618332295168 - #267

Friday, 22nd April 2011 How do I get students doing mathematics instead of just learning about mathematics?
 @soingirl Mathematicians learn from and with each other. #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 01:03:35 +0000 - tweet id 61233653560246272 - #268

@Year7Numeracy Mathematicians engage, explore and reason #mathchat

Fri, 22 Apr 2011 01:03:42 +0000 - tweet id 61233683897663488 - #269

@ColinTGraham Great to see some more new people joining us! Spread the
word...#mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 01:03:54 +0000 - tweet id 61233735554707456 - #270

@MmeVeilleux RT @soingirl: Mathematicians learn from and with each other.#mathchat

other.
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 01:04:20 +0000 - tweet id 61233844174589952 - #271

@MrT_Ro Mathematicians inquire, create, solve, prove, and explain #mathchat

Fri, 22 Apr 2011 01:04:22 +0000 - tweet id 61233850814185472 - #272

@SchoolmarmDE @smartinez lol #mathchat

Fri, 22 Apr 2011 01:04:25 +0000 - tweet id 61233864638611456 - #273

@ColinTGraham If you want to come back and revisit today's topic, we'll be discussing it
again on Monday... ;-) #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 01:04:35 +0000 - tweet id 61233906510344192 - #274

@mathfour Mathematicians are sexy (oh, wait, does that count?) #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 01:04:43 +0000 - tweet id 61233938349301760 - #275

@EarlSamuelson RT @mathfour: RT @Year7Numeracy: Mistakes encouraged &

embraced to further learning #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 01:04:46 +0000 - tweet id 61233950282096640 - #276

@davidwees RT @mathfour: Mathematicians are sexy (oh, wait, does that count?)
#mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 01:05:02 +0000 - tweet id 61234017877491715 - #277

@ColinTGraham Next week is the last of our "How do I..." series, for the moment... Follow
@mathchat to keep updated! #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 01:05:26 +0000 - tweet id 61234119350300672 - #278

@TripMackay @davidwees Hardly anything in the world is exact, so it is important to

teach it in math #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 01:05:30 +0000 - tweet id 61234134999240704 - #279

@davidwees @TripMackay Exactly. We teach measurement well before experimental

error, should pair them together. #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 01:06:01 +0000 - tweet id 61234267941900288 - #280

Friday, 22nd April 2011 How do I get students doing mathematics instead of just learning about mathematics?
 @cherraolthof RT @delta_dc: Here is what preservice MS teachers think it means to do
math - http://t.co/PMvDLWt #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 01:06:46 +0000 - tweet id 61234454131257344 - #281

@EarlSamuelson RT @mathfour Mathematicians are often wrong, and they're

comfortable with that. #mathchat and then they search for reasons
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 01:07:12 +0000 - tweet id 61234565842350081 - #282

@smartinez @davidwees I would think it would have to be clear that whatever errors you
are talking about really matter. #mathchat
#m
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 01:07:18 +0000 - tweet id 61234588780998656 - #283

@ColinTGraham Right, I'm off to do the archive... catch you all next time. #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 01:08:09 +0000 - tweet id 61234802929569792 - #284

@MrT_Ro The 7 mathematical processes in the Ontario Curriculum: Problem solving,

communicating, reasoning and proving, reflecting, ....#mathchat
....
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 01:09:17 +0000 - tweet id 61235088825921536 - #286

@wonderjenn Enjoying following @wilderlab's #mathchat.. Great points about the

mindsets of today's educators and how they need to evolve.
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 01:10:08 +0000 - tweet id 61235300885737472 - #287

@MrT_Ro Math processes cont'd: Selecting tools and computational strategies,

connecting, and representing #mathchat
Fri, 22 Apr 2011 01:11:51 +0000 - tweet id 61235732706107392 - #289

Friday, 22nd April 2011 How do I get students doing mathematics instead of just learning about mathematics?