In ASCP Sugg Due Date too early for Order Type = Forecast

We use Demantra for Forecasting. Our Demantra Forecasts reflect the date the product will arrive
at the customer location. We run a plan in ASCP that is set up as "Schedule By: Schedule Arrival
Date". When the ASCP plan runs the Order Type Forecast orders have a Sugg Due Date that is
too early. In fact the Sugg Due Date is set at double the Instransit Lead time.
Desired Behavior = Item A12345 Demantra Forecast = 1 on site at customer on 21-March-2011.
Sugg Due Date should equal Sugg Ship Date of 14-March-2011 which reflects transit time of 7
days.
Actual Results = Item A12345 Demantra Forecast = 1 on site at customer on 21-March-2011.
Sugg Due Date and Sugg Ship Date set to 07-March-2011 which reflects total transit time of 14
days.

Any suggestions for trouble shooting this issue are most welcome.

Thanks and Best Regards,

There could be many reasons for this behaviour.

a) Shipment Calendar: Is there any shipment calendar defined for this organization?
b) Is this the end item or does it has dependency on child parts too. For that you need to look at
all exceptions related to this demand. That will help you in the analysis if the behaviour is correct
or incoorect

This could also be on account of time bucket . I think for this period your time bucket is weekly.
After offsetting leadtime if the date falls in previous bucket, then your suggested ship date will be
either start or end of the bucket depending upon your setting. please check that too.

a planning problem for one item which is FG item and

subassembly item
One item which is both Finished Good item and subassembly item, the example of
BOM structure:
Level Item MRP Plannig Method Type
0 -2460249 MPP/MPS Finished goods
2 - 790-000209-0000 MPP/MPS Subassembly
3 -2233926 MPP/MPS Subassembly
5 - 125-000026-0000 　 Subassembly
3 -2281312 MPP/MPS Finished goods

Our planning processing for MRP plan is as follows:

Launch MPP plan -> Firm all Planned Order of finished goods-> planner updates
planned order to finished goods (qty change or due date change) -> Batch replan
after change (in order to preserve planned order changed, we batch replan with
Overwrite as ‘None’ and uncheck ‘Append New Planned Order’ , so all planned orders
of subassembly will be erased) -> release planned order to WIP -> Launch MRP plan
fed by MPP plan.
There is a problem for the raw material requirement for the item which is both
Finished Good item and subassembly item because MRP plan will not plan the
dependent demand of the item which is both Finished Good item and subassembly
item. For example with the above BOM structure:
1. After launching MPP plan, the planned orders are as follows:
2460249 100
2281312 100 ----dependent demand of 2460249
2281312 200 ---- independent demand

2. Firm the above 3 planned orders:

3. Planner updates planned order as follows:

2460249 200---increase qty as 100
2281312 100----dependent demand of 2460249, planner always don’t change it.
2281312 150---- independent demand, reduce qty as 50

4. Batch re-plan will not take effect for these 3 planned orders as they are Firm

5. Launch MRP plan, the above 3 planned order will be preserved and no new
planned order generated for the dependent demand of 2460249 ---increase qty as
100. there will be shortage for 2281312.

Your planning process is very complex. You should try to simplify the process by having a single
plan. You don't need two plans to seperate 'Work Orders' and 'Purchase orders'. Moreover, when
you change the quantity on make planned orders, you would want plan to take care of the
material requirement as well. What I understand from the details above, I would suggest the
following process:

1. Launch your ASCP production Plan and then modify the order quantity and dates as needed
on make planned orders, Firm them and release the make planned orders. The way you can
seperate the make orders is by going through exceptions > recommendations > work orders

2. Now set the plan options: overwrite = None and Append Planned orders = Yes and do the
batch replan

3. This will retain the 'Firm' planned orders with changed dates and quantity and this will also
create supplies as per the changed quantity. Now you can go to exceptions > recommendations >
purchase requisitions and this will bring all the 'buy planned orders'

4. Now release the buy planned orders.

Planner updates planned order quantity and does not expect new planned orders ( ‘Append New
Planned Order’ is uncheck). Therefore, shortage would be reported as exception.
There will be additional exception for excess supply as well. Why the planned order quantity is
changed when the demand scenario is not changed? I don't see a valid business scenario
Hi Amit,

Thanks for your kind help.

Yes, we are having a complex process because user's manul effort is involed.

For the process you suggested, the problem should be as follow:

'2. Now set the plan options: overwrite = None and Append Planned orders = Yes and do the
batch replan' - Here 'Append Planned Orders = Yes' will result in that it will suggest new planned
order for the planned order reduced or zeroed out in step1 and the planned order being released
into DJ. For example, change planned order of Item A in step1, change quantity from 1000 to 0,
in step 2 after batch replan, it will generate planned order as quantity 1000 for Item A. That's why
we set 'Append Planned Orders = No' when doing batch replan.

Looking forward to your suggestion.

Hi Chandrashekar,
Thank you for your kind help.
1. If 'Append New Planned Order' is checked when doing batch replan, the planned order
reduced will be re-generated when doing batch replan.
2. We have a MPP plan where we change planned order and do batch replan and then use this
MPP plan as demand schedule to drive a MRP plan. The reason of the shortage in the MRP plan
is that MRP plan does not replan the item which is already planned in its demand schedule
whether it's a dependent demand or an independent demand. You know in our case, the
problematic item is an item which is both FG item and subassembly item. In this case, it's
reasonable not to replan the independent demand in MRP plan but we need to replan the
dependent demand in MRP plan.
3. We ever thought of changing demand when changing planned order quantity. However we are
working in a complex supply chain environment where there are 3 level in supply chain for
example A is selling org, B is distribution org and C is factory org, we only need to change
planned order in factory org which should link the demand of selling org, this is a very complex
manual step in planner workbench and users don't accept this.
Obviously you are a very senior experienced planning expert, it's very luck to get the precious
suggestion from you for me. I am looking forward to your suggestion.
Thanks,
Frank