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Simple programming cable for Mitsubishi FX Options

Sergei Troizky May 31 2003, 11:08 PM

So, here is a knife to the Beijers back- a simple and inexpensive programming cable for Mitsub
to be used instead of SC-09.
Sparky

The cable is successfully used with FX0N, FX1N, FX1S, FX2N.

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The connectors on the diagram are 8-pin mini-DIN male on the PLC side and 9-pin sub
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Take measures in order for the PLC pin 5 (+5V) not to be shorted with any other one in order t
PLC or PC port damage.

For AC powered PLC, the requirement to avoid phase conflict by powering PC from the same
remains in power, exactly as for the SC-09 cable.
The difference is that in a case of phase conflict at least cable is not damaged now.

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Guest_Guest_* Jun 1 2003, 09:00 PM Post #2

you didn't keep the promise, you were 52 minutes too early

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Sergei Troizky Jun 2 2003, 08:50 PM Post #3

I live in Montreal, Canada and here was after midnight already

I always keep my promises.
Sparky

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Sergei Troizky Jul 12 2003, 06:06 PM Post #4

Attention all users of the described cable.

Sometimes, with the FX1N-422-BD port duplicator card installed in FX1N, the
Sparky
cable does not work with one of the ports (more often- with the duplicator card
port).
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The cable still works perfectly with another port in such cases.
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Guest_Scooter_* Jul 15 2003, 03:05 AM Post #5

Has anyone tried this cable? (besides the inventor)\

If it works, A big to Sergei.

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Guest_Ken_* Jul 23 2003, 11:03 AM Post #6

Can it be used with FX1GM as well? what's the program required to use
FX1GM?

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Sergei Troizky Jul 23 2003, 08:42 PM Post #7

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The part number sounds like a motion controller but I've never heard of this
specific one.
Sparky
The FX2N-10GM/20-GM use the SC-09 cable, and my cable should work with
them.
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Sergei Troizky Jul 25 2003, 08:46 PM Post #8

The cable may be even simpler- replace the resistor with jumper.
Tested.
Sparky

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Guest_Wouter_* Sep 17 2003, 03:09 AM Post #9

Sergei are you sure that the cable won't do any damage to the PLC or PC?
Because I don't want to blow up my precious PLC

Have other people test this cable already? Did it work?

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Greetz

Contr_Conn Sep 17 2003, 07:46 PM Post #10

Wouter:
I have one customer, who tested Sergey's cable with FX1N and it was working
fine with 8pin port. It will not work with 25pin port.
Sparky
I don't know about FX0 PLC you have.

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It should not damage PC or PLC.
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Joined: 7-September 03 Just keep in mind that SC09 does not have any opto-isulation, only ESD
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If you handy, you can make your own SC09 cable as a good school project:
it takes only one or 2 ICs and few capacitors.

Beijers schematics is widely available and I have 5 or 6 different simplified

schematic versions and it depends what chips you can get.

Email me, if you need more details.

micromet@adelphia.net

Alex

Sergei Troizky Sep 17 2003, 08:24 PM Post #11

Wouter,
The cable cannot damage PC or PLC port, assumung no mistakes in wiring.
Sparky
I used it in tens of commercial projects already.
For more security leave the resistor in place: a wiring mistake with jumper can
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I do not understand whether you mean PLC or PC 25-pin port.
In any case I do not see a reason for the cable not to work (with corrected pin
numbers in wiring, of course).
I also do not see any reason to clone SC-09 if a pin-to-pin cable makes the
job.

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Contr_Conn Sep 17 2003, 08:48 PM Post #12

Sergei,
I mean PLCs with 25 pin port - older style like A-series.
They are using handshaking lines RTS/CTS along with RXD/TXD.
Sparky
It is possible to modify your cable to add this lines, but it will not work with
25pin port AS IS.
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Joined: 7-September 03 In any case it will not damage PLC or PC.

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Member No.: 709 Nobody should copy SC09 desing, it can be simplified to minimum
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components or minimum cost.
But your cable definately works as a cheap programming alternative to SC09.

Just for some projects you must stay within RS422/R232 interface
specification like min/max voltage, max distance etc. ESD protection also
required.

Alex

Guest_Ken_* Jan 13 2004, 12:20 PM Post #13

Hi guys. Can anybody tell me what software is used to program FX2n-10GM

with this cable? Medoc possible?
thanks

Guest

Guest_lansoc_* Feb 2 2004, 11:36 AM Post #14

Hey, Sergei Troizky

Do you have any knowledge of the old MTA-10 "baby" op station build by
Beijers and sold under the Mitsu name???
Guest

It uses a similar cable called an SC-06N which is used for download from a
win based config program. It like the SC-09 is a 232-422 converter.
It has one hooker, 2 pins are also supplying +5vdc & "-" for powering it up.
That's no problem.
I'm interested in the possiblity of using your cable in the same fashion. I'm
worried about just giving it a try and end up damaging PC Port or MTA-10
port.

Any info would be appreciated. I have drawing of SC-06N it that would help
you to help me!

I'm not an electronics person so the chips in the device are kind of way over
my head!

THANX!

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Sergei Troizky Feb 5 2004, 11:02 PM Post #15

Hi, Lansoc

Sparky
The principle should work with MTA-10/12, but I have never tried.
And will not try already.
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Feb 17 2004, 01:02 PM Post #16
MAN_*

Sergei,
I was wondering if you have any cabling ideas for the FX1n for laptops without
serial ports. I purchased a USB to serial cable converter but it does not work
with the PLC. ANy ideas???
Guest

MIKE

Contr_Conn Feb 17 2004, 06:03 PM Post #17

QUOTE

I was wondering if you have any cabling ideas for the FX1n for laptops
without serial ports. I purchased a USB to serial cable converter but it does
Sparky not work with the PLC. ANy ideas???

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Feb 18 2004, 05:36 AM Post #18

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Jimbo

In the beginning i had some problems with my usb to serial convertor and the
mitsubishi programming software but i solved it with updating my windows XP
to service pack 1. So i suggest you do a windows update

Sparky
Greetz

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Guest_troubled PLC man_* Feb 19 2004, 09:14 AM Post #19

OK,

First, I have purchased a serial PCMCIA card per my local MITS rep
suggestion. It has not arrived yet. I am running teh latest, most up to date
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version of XP.

I am using a Belkin converter with the SC09 cable to my FX1N PLC. The
software being used is GX IEC Developer. I receive a communication error
with the PLC even though all transmit settings are correct. I get a quick flask of
teh lights on my adapter and then the error.

My local REP says that the converters are sometimes problems and that they
use the PCMCIA cards. I will let you know how it works out with that card once
I get to try it. I have to get it wokred out b4 my next road trip or I will have to
bring two laptops with me

MIke

Guest_troubled plc man_* Feb 19 2004, 09:17 AM Post #20

THank you PLC CABLES, I wish I had seen that before I ordered the Card.

Mike

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Sergei Troizky Feb 19 2004, 09:38 PM Post #21

Most probably, not all the communication settings are OK.

Also, I would test the converter with anything else.
Sparky
A serial mouse is good enough, if you can get one.
Or try another brand PLC, with RS232 programming port.
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Feb 26 2004, 09:33 AM Post #22
MAN_*

UPDATE:

Received the new cable from MRPLC and it works great. no cards, no
converters (except the one built into the cable).
Guest

Thanks again,

Mike

Guest_Henk_* Apr 22 2004, 02:35 PM Post #23

The cable is working fine on my FX10.

Thanks.

Guest

Guest_Guest_mike_* May 10 2004, 02:52 AM Post #24

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I made cable as shown, but it doesn't work. Program Melsec Medox v1.1, FX0
logic. I get communication error. Any hints?`

Thanks.
Guest

Guest_mkarvine_* May 14 2004, 04:32 PM Post #25

I still didn't get the cable to work but here's diagram that worked fine with
me:

PLC / PC db-9
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1____3
2____5
3____5
4____2
6____1,4,6
7____5

-short connect PC pins 7 and 8

-connect connectors "grounds?" together

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rajsiyer Jul 19 2004, 08:40 AM Post #26

Hi folks..

I’ve a problem. There’s a Mitsubishi FX2-32 and its hand held programmer
with us. When linked together, they communicate fine. Only that the HHP
Sparky
screens are in Japanese.

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Since I’ve also got Medoc v 2.3(DOS) I’ve tried to link the RS-422 port on the
FX2 -32 with the pc using a MOXA /ADAM converter (Typ. ADAM 4520) using
the RXD+, RXD -, TXD+ and TXD- (pins that are 2,15, 3 and16 on the 25-pin
port connnector of the PLC). I have tried innumerable combinations of baud-
rate, parity and data bits so that communication may be established. Nothing
works.

So.. would somebody help me out with this. At least how could it be known at

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what comm.. settings parameters, the Hand held programmer talks.

Thanks a million..

Raj

Guest_Guest_* Jul 26 2004, 11:35 AM Post #27

I used Sergei's simple cable on a 25 pin D Connector RS-422 port on a FX plc

with only a small modification: And I'm happy to tell the world that it works
very, very very well.

Guest
Connect the RXD enable pin(Pin 21) to ground. You need the RTS+ and RTS-
signals too. Connect them to 0v and +5v, through a 1k resistor. and your cable
is ready to communicate. A number of pins i.e. 12, 13, 25 carry the 5v Signal.
Likewise the ground voltage is available at pins7 & 8.

The rest of the cable is exactly as described by sergei. The needed RXd and
TXd negatives are led to cross connect at the PC with TX & RX. The ground
voltage must be linked to pin 5 of the PC's port.

A big big thanks to Sergei once again,

RAJ S> IYER

panic mode Jul 26 2004, 01:05 PM Post #28

Can you provide drawing?

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rajsiyer

Here is the cable I made, it works well on both Round pin as well as 25 Pin
connectors, if connected in the manner shown. Importantly, it is the RX
Negative and TX negative signals that are cross connected with TD and RD
on the PC. One may avoid using the 5 Volt signal at the mini Din Connector if
Sparky
no power is needed that end

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Guest_Guest_Wouter_* Aug 14 2004, 11:32 AM Post #30

Can anybody tell me the difference between a 250-300$ SC-09 cable and the
20 cent cable that has been posted on this forum? I want to try the simple
cable posted by Sergei, but I want to make sure that my precious little PLC
won't be hurt. What makes the original cable so expensive?
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