@ColinTGraham Hello everyone, welcome to today's #mathchat See some of you have

been getting warmed up!

Mon May 16 19:30:45 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70209591278968834 - #2

@republicofmath Where's that tardy @ColinTGraham then? #mathchat

Mon May 16 19:31:06 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70209678138814464 - #3

@republicofmath Whoops! Apologies @ColinTGraham #mathchat

Mon May 16 19:31:32 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70209785957593088 - #4

@Janshs interesting chat w/ Y8 stdt 2day who said preferred real life context & another
who said like 2 use lots skills 2 solve problems #mathchat
Mon May 16 19:31:52 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70209869906587648 - #5

@ColinTGraham For newcomers, don't try to interact with everyone, things can move
quite fast sometimes.... don't forget to use the hashtag --> #mathchat
Mon May 16 19:31:54 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70209879763202048 - #6

@republicofmath @ColinTGraham Some of us live in New England and can never warm
up #mathchat
Mon May 16 19:32:17 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70209976899092480 - #7

@ColinTGraham If you're tweets are protected, you may want to unprotect for the next 90
minutes or so! #mathchat
Mon May 16 19:32:28 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70210021811691522 - #9

@ColinTGraham @republicofmath Old England's not much warmer Gary! #mathchat

Mon May 16 19:32:49 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70210109149691905 - #11

@davidwees @republicofmath Yes definitely! #mathchat

Mon May 16 19:33:15 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70210220906909696 - #12

@ColinTGraham Today's topic is: "What mathematical skills should

should high schoolers be
graduating with?" #mathchat
Mon May 16 19:33:27 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70210268080259072 - #13

@republicofmath But you got better cheese! @ColinTGraham Old England's not much
warmer #mathchat
Mon May 16 19:33:43 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70210336405458945 - #14

@ColinTGraham We didn't really cover this last time, especially in terms of discussing
discuss
ALL high school graduates, not just the maths ones. #mathchat
Mon May 16 19:34:17 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70210479297007616 - #15

Monday, 16th May 2011 What mathematical skills should high schoolers be graduating with?
 @republicofmath Ah, whew! I get uneasy when I appear to be disagreeing with you!
@davidwees #mathchat
Mon May 16 19:34:28 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70210526059298817 - #16

@republicofmath I think numeracy as a BS detector, along the lines

lin of
@JohnAllenPaulos books is critical to one and all. #mathchat
Mon May 16 19:35:15 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70210723594240000 - #17

@icecolbeveridge RT @republicofmath: I think numeracy as a BS detector, along the

lines of @JohnAllenPaulos books is critical to one and all. #mathchat
Mon May 16 19:35:33 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70210797741154304 - #18

@ColinTGraham So, aside from President Obama telling everyone they'll need
algebra... :-// what other maths skills should all HS grads have? #mathchat
Mon May 16 19:35:48 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70210859762331649
70210 - #19

@davidwees RT @republicofmath: I think numeracy as a BS detector, along the lines of

@JohnAllenPaulos books is critical to one and all. #mathchat
Mon May 16 19:36:29 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70211031946891264 - #20

@delta_dc #mathchat Quantitative literacy.

Mon May 16 19:37:02 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70211171642376192 - #21

@ColinTGraham @republicofmath That could be translated as number awareness and

interpretation of numerical data, maybe? #mathchat
Mon May 16 19:37:20 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70211248737890304 - #22

@ColinTGraham Topic reminder: "What mathematical skills should high schoolers be

graduating with?" #mathchat
Mon May 16 19:37:48 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70211363250782208 - #23

@Janshs Mrs Utopia speaking #mathchat I wd like ALL highschoolers 2 leave

lea w/ idea that
Maths isn't just utility subject but has beauty of its own ..
Mon May 16 19:37:55 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70211392363438080 - #24

@PeacockMaths #mathchat - the skill of estimation, both numeric and geometric.

Mon May 16 19:38:04 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70211432406450176 - #25

@pavkahu RT @colintgraham: Hello everyone, welcome to today's #mathchat See some

of you have been getting warmed up!
Mon May 16 19:38:35 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70211561595207680 - #26

@pavkahu RT @colintgraham:
tgraham: Today's topic is: "What mathematical skills should high
schoolers be graduating with?" #mathchat
Mon May 16 19:38:58 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70211656814301184 - #27

Monday, 16th May 2011 What mathematical skills should high schoolers be graduating with?
 @republicofmath @ColinTGraham I think "ciphering" is less important: I use my phone
calculator. But quantitative reasoning, estimation IMO #mathchat
Mon May 16 19:39:02 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70211673935462400 - #28

@ColinTGraham @Janshs Not so much about perceptions, this time Jan! More about
what maths skills seem to be needed or lacking across the board #mathchat
Mon May 16 19:39:11 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70211714829922304 - #29

@delta_dc #mathchat I'd also want learners to be fluent in skills addressed in @NCTM
Process Standards.
Mon May 16 19:39:21 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70211753253928961 - #30

@Mstew15 Super basic, but the ability to balance a checkbook-no

checkbook no upper level math there,
but how many adults (politicians?) can't do it? #mathchat
Mon May 16 19:40:04 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70211933206351872 - #32

@reflectivemaths #mathchat Definitely the ability to approximate. A sense of 'how big a

billion is'
Mon May 16 19:40:07 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70211949056626688 - #34

@republicofmath Yes, I think that's high on list @PeacockMaths #mathchat - skill of

estimation, both numeric & geometric.
Mon May 16 19:40:10 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70211960628711424 - #35

@Janshs @ColinTGraham I knew that was just being silly really <sigh> #mathchat OK
they should be able to solve probs w/ shape and measure
Mon May 16 19:40:27 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70212033131458563 - #36

@ColinTGraham @PeacockMaths How close? Estimates can be wild! maybe estimation

within the same order of magnitude...? #mathchat
Mon May 16 19:40:38 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70212079608545280 - #37

@republicofmath After quantitative reasoning, estimation I would want to see persistence

in problem solving #mathchat
Mon May 16 19:41:21 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70212260156551168 - #38

@mthornton78 @ColinTGraham problem solving should be high on list #mathchat

Mon May 16 19:42:44 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70212606522179584 - #39

@republicofmath @Janshs i think @davidwees has a point he's been pushing - what sort
of problems. To whom, if anyone, are they relevant? #mathchat
Mon May 16 19:42:58 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70212665326309376 - #40

@ColinTGraham Basic arithmetic skills? #mathchat

Mon May 16 19:43:13 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70212726802227200 - #41

Monday, 16th May 2011 What mathematical skills should high schoolers be graduating with?
 @Mstew15 I totally agree, @republicofmath with persistence. Students must learn to go
after problems that take more than
n a few secs.#mathchat
secs.
Mon May 16 19:43:17 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70212743529111553 - #42

@wilderlab Right on===>“@republicofmath: After quantitative reasoning, estimation I

would want to see persistence in problem solving #mathchat”
Mon May 16 19:43:23 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70212768082575360 - #43

@PeacockMaths @ColinTGraham #mathchat - OK, I'll take that.I'd just to say estimate to
a reasonable accuracy.
Mon May 16 19:43:24 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70212775661666304 - #44

@ColinTGraham Do all problems need mathematical skills to solve them? RT

@mthornton78: @ColinTGraham problem solving should be high on list #mathchat
Mon May 16 19:43:59 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70212922068049920 - #45

@republicofmath With problem solving should come the skill of organizing, taking small
steps, feeling empowered by sustained reasoning. #mathchat
Mon May 16 19:44:07 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70212956054495232 - #46

@missin4md RT @republicofmath: Shouldn't education be about opening kids minds to

the great events and ideas of society? #mathchat #primenumbers
Mon May 16 19:44:07 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70212956293578752 - #47

@DoremiGirl Yes, please! RT @ColinTGraham: Basic arithmetic skills? #mathchat

Mon May 16 19:44:23 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70213020722278400 - #48

@Janshs @republicofmath @davidwees yes, back to chat w/ my Y8 stdt today

t who told
me real life context important #mathchat
Mon May 16 19:44:34 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70213069061619712 - #49

@jfontich RT @republicofmath: With problem solving should come the skill of organizing,
taking small steps, feeling empowered by sustained reasoning. #mathchat
Mon, 16 May 2011 19:44:42 +0000 - tweet id 70213100237889536 - #50

@Janshs obs good lesson today which combined measure, scale, co-ords,
co shape,
listening, team skills etc etc #mathchat
Mon May 16 19:45:18 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70213254248538112 - #51

@delta_dc @republicofmath problem solving should also involve solving similar/simpler

problems and looking for patterns. #mathchat
Mon May 16 19:45:42 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70213353594830848 - #52

@republicofmath @ColinTGraham Basic arithmetic skills? #mathchat Not necessary.

PhD in #math & use phone to calculate
calcula tip - social necessity in US #mathchat
Mon May 16 19:45:49 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70213383974162432 - #53

Monday, 16th May 2011 What mathematical skills should high schoolers be graduating with?
 @ColinTGraham I'd second @Mstew15's point about basic financial number skills.
Reading price labels in supermarkets to check for bargains... #mathchat
Mon May 16 19:45:57 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70213417738317824 - #54

@republicofmath Not important for everyone

everyone at all times @Janshs @davidwees back to
chat w/ Y8 stdt today who told me real life context important #mathchat
Mon May 16 19:46:41 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70213599615926273 - #55

@delta_dc #mathchat I want learners to be able to ask and

and answer, "Does that make
sense?"
Mon May 16 19:47:28 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70213798136528897 - #56

@Janshs @republicofmath @davidwees

@davidwees agree I was a bit surprised TBH but nice to have
a stdt able to articulate their preference #mathchat
Mon May 16 19:47:54 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70213906848686080 - #57

@Mstew15 @republicofmath @Janshs @davidwees real life context differs from student
to student in its importance and relevance #mathchat
Mon May 16 19:47:55 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70213911911215104 - #58

@republicofmath People say geometry is useless, algebra is useless in "real world". So

in my recent experience is basic arithmetic #mathchat
Mon May 16 19:48:29 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70214054211371010 - #59

@bucharesttutor Good Night Twitterville wherever you are :) sorry #mathchat can't join
you as had a very extensive day of tutoring.
Mon May 16 19:48:40 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70214101376311297 - #60

@ColinTGraham What about the skills you need within your chosen area to be able to
progress further? eg Run a business= handle money, etc. #mathchat
Mon May 16 19:48:41 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70214104006144001 - #61

@mthornton78 @ColinTGraham no they do not

not but reasoning is am important
mathematical skill #mathchat
Mon May 16 19:48:47 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70214128152752128 - #62

@republicofmath Yes! @delta_dc #mathchat I want learners to be able to ask and

answer, "Does that make sense?"
Mon May 16 19:48:50 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70214142946050048 - #63

@Janshs none of you lot remembers the Everyday Maths CSE of olden days before
GCSE or Graded Assessment in Maths (GAIM) I spose? #mathchat
Mon May 16 19:49:33 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70214323053658112 - #64

@mthornton78 @ColinTGraham place value is crucial #mathchat

Mon May 16 19:49:41 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70214355312062465 - #65

Monday, 16th May 2011 What mathematical skills should high schoolers be graduating with?
 @icecolbeveridge Students should have ability to sit in silent room and reel off answers
using
ng rote techniques with no access to ref materials. #mathchat
Mon May 16 19:49:50 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70214395141177344 - #66

@ColinTGraham @republicofmath If you do patchwork quilting, I'll bet you know

something about patterns and geometry and tessellation though... #mathchat
Mon May 16 19:49:54 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70214408198037504 - #67

@republicofmath Only nly basic arithmetic fact I recall easily is 13X19=247. Maybe 7x9=63.
Useful things like that. #mathchat
Mon May 16 19:50:33 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70214574246338561 - #68

@ColinTGraham @mthornton78 So we could say: Looking at problems to see if a

mathematical approach might work... #mathchat
Mon May 16 19:50:41 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70214609038094336 - #69

@icecolbeveridge #mathchat They should also forget it all immediately after exams,
believing it to be irrelevant.
Mon May 16 19:50:52 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70214653871009793 - #70

@delta_dc @ColinTGraham but we don't know what those skills are (HT
@SirKenRobinson) - we need to empower them to learn what they need later#mathchat
later
Mon May 16 19:50:57 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70214675190652928 - #71

@republicofmath @ColinTGraham Wife does quilting. I'm amazed! #mathchat

Mon May 16 19:51:16 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70214755020849153 - #72

@ColinTGraham Especially when number is involved! @delta_dc #mathchat I want

learners to be able to ask and answer, "Does that make sense?"
Mon May 16 19:51:23 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70214783919587328 - #73

@theotheralig @Janshs #mathchat I do....

Mon May 16 19:51:27 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70214798117310465 - #74

@missradders A sense of size. Knowing if the answer to a calculation is reasonable

rather than just accepting it as correct. #mathchat
Mon May 16 19:52:12 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70214986772918272 - #75

@republicofmath Ha, ha! If not, use super glue! @#icecolbeveridge

@#icecolbeveridge Students should
have ability to sit in silent room & reel off answers ... #mathchat
Mon May 16 19:52:16 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70215007505367041 - #76

@Janshs @theotheralig hehe I used to love Everyday Maths #mathchat

Mon May 16 19:52:19 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70215019559796737 - #77

Monday, 16th May 2011 What mathematical skills should high schoolers be graduating with?
 @Mstew15 I think reasonability is much more important than facts. Calculations will come
up on the calculator--do
do you know if it's right? #mathchat
Mon May 16 19:52:21 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70215025809309696 - #78

@delta_dc @ColinTGraham also spatial reasoning #mathchat

Mon May 16 19:52:26 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70215045937766400 - #79

@ColinTGraham Yes, this ties in to orders of magnitude and estimating too... RT

@mthornton78: place value is crucial #mathchat
Mon May 16 19:52:34 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70215080943419392 - #80

@Janshs @Mstew15 @republicofmath @davidwees yes of course, some stdts will love
the abstract - & that's what we need to encourage for some #mathchat
Mon May 16 19:53:17 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70215263383068672 - #81

@ColinTGraham @icecolbeveridge You are just being deliberately provocative ;-P

; But
they do need to know *when* to sit in a silent room.... etc. #mathchat
Mon May 16 19:53:32 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70215323495825409 - #82

@republicofmath High on the list @missradders Sense of size.size. Knowing if answer to

calculation is reasonable rather than just accepting as correct #mathchat
Mon May 16 19:53:39 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70215352927268864 - #83

@icecolbeveridge @ColinTGraham Me? *innocent look* #mathchat

Mon May 16 19:54:20 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70215524457512961 - #84

@delta_dc @Janshs @mstew15 @republicofmath @davidwees Math is one subject that

helps learners explore the abstract. #mathchat
Mon May 16 19:54:37 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70215598281457665 - #85

@mathhombre RT @republicofmath: Yes! @delta_dc #mathchat I want learners to be

able to ask and answer, "Does that make sense?"
Mon May 16 19:54:37 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70215597727809536 - #86

@Janshs I do wonder if ability to use fractions rather

rather than decimals is quite
important#mathchat
Mon May 16 19:54:42 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70215617130668032 - #87

@republicofmath @ColinTGraham I thought @icecolbeveridge was being "deliciously

ironic" #mathchat
Mon May 16 19:54:57 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70215680363991040 - #88

@icecolbeveridge #mathchat
mathchat More seriously, I think Ss should be able to discuss
problems with each other and reason out answers between them.
Mon May 16 19:55:19 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70215773485924352 - #89

Monday, 16th May 2011 What mathematical skills should high schoolers be graduating with?
 @chris_1974 Yes to this RT @Janshs I do wonder if ability to use fractions rather than
decimals is quite important #mathchat
chat
Mon May 16 19:55:51 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70215907007397888 - #90

@ColinTGraham @delta_dc Maybe we don't know, but some/most some/most responsibility needs to
devolve to 'subject' teachers to improve skills in their area #mathchat
Mon May 16 19:55:57 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70215933024665600 - #91

@Mstew15 Oh, a basic understanding of fractions...my dream. To truly understand

them...that would be lovely. #mathchat
Mon May 16 19:56:04 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70215960140849153 - #92

@delta_dc @Janshs
anshs I like fractions as a vehicle to extend understanding of whole number
computation. #mathchat
Mon May 16 19:56:09 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70215981506633728 - #93

@republicofmath In the US it's now Govt policy: President Obama has declared students
need algebra to learn to think on their feet. #mathchat
Mon May 16 19:56:38 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70216103065944064 - #94

@Janshs @icecolbeveridge again good chat w/ Y8 stdts today - they told me they like a
mixture of teamwork and working alone #mathchat
Mon May 16 19:56:50 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70216153632477184 - #95

@ColinTGraham @Janshs Ah happy days, just phased out when I was leaving
school... ;-) #mathchat
Mon May 16 19:56:53 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70216168241238016 - #96

@icecolbeveridge #mathchat But is it really true that EVERY HS student needs to know
about fractions? Most can survive perfectly well using decimals.
Mon May 16 19:57:28 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70216312881815552 - #97

@republicofmath @delta_dc @Janshs the Beatles said it: I'm only half the man I used to
be. #mathchat #fractions
Mon May 16 19:57:43 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70216378782724096 - #99

@Janshs @chris_1974 it seems to be a bit of a turning point for some - maybe something
important for Ks1-3? #mathchat (fractions)
Mon May 16 19:57:52 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70216416703430656 - #100

@Mstew15 Completely agree!!! ---->>@delta_dc

>>@delta_dc @Janshs I like fractions as a vehicle to
extend understanding of whole number computation. #mathchat
Mon May 16 19:57:54 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70216423644999680 - #101

@reflectivemaths @Janshs
Janshs I've often thought that the ability to use fractions is bordering
on useless in real life #mathchat
Monday, 16th May 2011 What mathematical skills should high schoolers be graduating with?
Mon May 16 19:58:43 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70216627907604480 - #102

@icecolbeveridge @Janshs Right, just like real-life

real life jobs. But being able to use math.
vocab/concepts in conversation/presentation is important
imp #mathchat
Mon May 16 19:58:53 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70216668663648256 - #103

@Janshs @icecolbeveridge agree can survive but what about understanding? am I off at
a #concept tangent (sorry mixed metaphors) again? #mathchat
Mon May 16 19:59:05 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70216722451410945 - #104

@mathheadinc @dendari He gave ME plenty. I cared about me as a student and a

person. I know he did everyone else, too. #mathchat
Mon May 16 19:59:12 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70216751408873472
7021675140 - #105

@ColinTGraham @Janshs Many people will say "Two for the price of One" is a better
deal than 50% off... so connections
ctions between frcn/dec/% imptnt #mathchat
Mon May 16 19:59:13 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70216752847519745 - #106

@Mstew15 @icecolbeveridge I wonder if students knew more about fractions if they

would understand more of all math better. #mathchat
Mon May 16 19:59:21 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70216787358265344 - #107

@MathforGrownups Not if the kid wants to sew or use ratios.

ra RT #mathchat But is it
really true that EVERY HS student needs to know about fractions?
Mon May 16 19:59:30 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70216824981172224 - #108

@republicofmath You or kids? Farey tree/ SternBrocot tree @Mstew15 basic

understanding of fractions...dream. To truly understand...would be lovely #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:00:02 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70216961514143744 - #109

@chris_1974 @Janshs sixth form get very short shrift when 29/7 becomes either 4 1/7 or
4.14. Except in mechs. #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:00:42 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70217126950088704
7 - #110

@Janshs @reflectivemaths but funny how we use a lot in daily talk tho .. I'll have a 1/2,
he's 1/2 cut, 3/4 trousers ec :-)) take ur point #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:00:43 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70217132377522176 - #111

@republicofmath i think you could be half right @reflectivemaths often thought that ability
to use fractions is bordering on useless in real life #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:00:48 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70217153370009600 - #112

@icecolbeveridge @Mstew15 @Janshs

@Janshs I agree they're useful for understanding, but we
don't expect everyone to be able to read music, either #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:01:09 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70217241869815808 - #113

Monday, 16th May 2011 What mathematical skills should high schoolers be graduating with?
 @delta_dc #mathchat Not sure I want learners to understand fractions as much as to use
fractions to understand what it means to do mathematics.
Mon May 16 20:01:25 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70217306579542016 - #115

@Janshs def RT @ColinTGraham connections between frcn/dec/% imptnt #mathchat

Mon May 16 20:01:46 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70217397075845120 - #116

@republicofmath Couldn't have #Limericks like "There was a mathematician named

Hall ... " without #fractions #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:02:12 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70217504970113024 - #117

@ColinTGraham @reflectivemaths @Janshs I think the basic 1/2, 1/3, 1/4, 1/5, 1/10 and
decimal/% equivalents are useful... beyond that? Not sure #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:02:56 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70217691289485312 - #118

@Mstew15 @republicofmath Hahahaha!! Love it! If I could have learned when

w I was a kid,
not as a tchr, it would have made a big difference. #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:02:57 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70217693311156224 - #119

@republicofmath OMG! And then Peter Hall @maths_ast shows up. How
funny!#mathchat
Mon May 16 20:03:24 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70217805437472768 - #120

@Janshs @ColinTGraham youngster :-)

: #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:03:25 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70217812588761088 - #121

@MathforGrownups Fractions may not be necessary in higher math, but they're useful in
the kitchen and craft room , where most ppl do math. #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:03:40 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70217874286972928
702 - #122

@reflectivemaths @Janshs I was thinking along the lines of + - x / fractions = useless.

*Now wonders if 3/4 length trousers really are 3/4 length. #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:03:44 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70217889310982145 - #123

@MrHonner I think students should understand the various

various probability models, and the
concept of expected value. #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:04:37 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70218114926772224 - #125

@republicofmath @jamestanton has some lovely stuff on fractions, including Stern

Brocot tree. Colleagues kids 8 and 11 love fraction division. #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:04:42 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70218134048620544 - #126

@missradders A basic grasp of statistics and how they can be manipulated by

businesses/ the media to mislead #mathchat #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:05:12 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70218259089207296 - #127

Monday, 16th May 2011 What mathematical skills should high schoolers be graduating with?
 @MrHonner Helps to understand basic quantitative arguments
arguments and evaluate
options.#mathchat
Mon May 16 20:05:12 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70218260825653248 - #128

@Janshs sorry not keeping up w/ all you young ppl on #mathchat - phew I'll keep trying
Mon May 16 20:05:25 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70218313644519424
7021 - #129

@republicofmath @MathforGrownups Fractions critical in higher math. #mathchat

Mon May 16 20:05:32 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70218344858521600 - #130

@ColinTGraham But a maths sixth form is not the same as ALL HS age... so short shrift
maybe ok for maths, but for Art?@chris_1974 @Janshs #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:05:43 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70218389322342400
7021838932 - #131

@reflectivemaths @MathforGrownups I'm not convinced. When do chefs divide fractions

in the kitchen? #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:06:05 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70218480791732225 - #132

@republicofmath Simple descriptive statistics and interval estimates

@missradders#mathchat
Mon May 16 20:06:19 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70218540761874432 - #133

@MathforGrownups In some, yes, but not all. RT @republicofmath: @MathforGrownups

Fractions critical in higher math. #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:06:22 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70218553470619648 - #134

@Janshs @reflectivemaths mine are 7/8 #mathchat OK seriously more about being able
to use fractions as aprt of number line I was thinking of
Mon May 16 20:06:43 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70218643006431232
70 - #135

@MrHonner @missradders Agreed, sort of like what @JohnAllenPaulos talks about in "A
Mathematician Reads the Newspaper". #mathchat #math
Mon May 16 20:07:02 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70218720865300480 - #136

@missradders @MrHonner not heard of it but I shall seek it out! #mathchat

#mathch
Mon May 16 20:07:51 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70218925798989824 - #137

@ColinTGraham Yes, @republicofmath referred earlier to @JohnAllenPaulos and

numeracy as a BS detector... #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:07:59 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70218959483445248 - #138

@MrHonner @republicofmath @missradders Can you teach me basic interval estimates!

I did like your post on "How big is this guy's chest". #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:08:02 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70218974004133888 - #139

Monday, 16th May 2011 What mathematical skills should high schoolers be graduating with?
 @MrHonner @missradders An excellent book--rated rated a top 100 non-fiction
non book, I think.
Great reading, and great ideas for student projects! #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:08:51 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70219179281760257 - #140

@SpringerMath An article about “math anxiety” via @MathUpdate . Did anyone out there
overcome this sort of “math panic?”:
?”: http://sns.mx/and1y4 #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:09:11 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70219263755030528 - #141

@MathforGrownups RT @reflectivemaths Heck even canning requires fractions. 1/3 is

not the same as 0.3333... That difference can matter. #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:09:22 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70219309435195392 - #142

@icecolbeveridge @MathforGrownups That's almost exactly my point: if someone

WANTS to learn it, they should, but why require it of everyone? #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:09:23 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70219314464161792 - #143

@MrHonner @ColinTGraham Sorry, arrived a little late today. Ironically because I had
enforced
d "Professional Development" at school. #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:09:30 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70219340494016513 - #144

@mathhombre #mathchat faction operations are a great place for students to discover
rules starting from a context.
Mon May 16 20:10:02 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70219474938236928 - #145

@ColinTGraham Yes, Patrick. @MrHonner the idea of making comparisons

comparis based on
number and relative size... #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:10:08 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70219502121533440 - #146

@reflectivemaths #mathchat I think we should all read a Mathematician's Lament. Says a

lot about what 'maths' is
Mon May 16 20:10:19 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70219549227749376 - #147

@mathhombre #mathchat "Hey, every time I divide by a unit fraction it's like multiplying."
Mon May 16 20:10:33 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70219605599199232 - #148

@MathforGrownups @reflectivemaths Math in the kitchen: all basic recipes are ratios.
Reducing recipes requires reducing ingredient amounts. #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:10:47 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70219665019904000 - #149

@hartkp RT @republicofmath: In the US it's now Govt policy:

policy: President Obama has
declared students need algebra to learn to think on their feet. #mathchat
Mon, 16 May 2011 20:10:52 +0000 - tweet id 70219686616383488 - #150

@reflectivemaths #mathchat Is the question this eve 'What would we like..."

like or "What
should they know..."
Mon May 16 20:11:04 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70219738382483456 - #151

Monday, 16th May 2011 What mathematical skills should high schoolers be graduating with?
 @republicofmath Oh boy! Me & my big mouth! Sure, I will blog on it. Will write short e-
e
book @MrHonner Can you teach me basic interval estimates! #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:11:13 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70219774445092864
70219774445 - #152

@missradders @MrHonner I have just picked myself up a copy for 1p on Amazon. I shall
look forward to reading, Thxx for recommendation! #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:11:23 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70219818334302208 - #153

@mathhombre #mathchat "And when I multiply by a fraction it's like dividing. Is that
connected?" Great math as a context stuff, and...
Mon May 16 20:11:24 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70219819538067457 - #154

@MathforGrownups @icecolbeveridge Well, I didn't know I wanted to sew until I was in

my 30s. And most everyone cooks at some point in their lives. #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:11:34 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70219862567428096 - #155

@delta_dc Exactly! >> @mathhombre: #mathchat faction operations are a great place
p for
students to discover rules starting from a context.
Mon May 16 20:11:39 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70219883677364224 - #156

@mathhombre #mathchat ...opportunity for importance of representation.

Mon May 16 20:11:41 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70219891713654785 - #157

@ColinTGraham @reflectivemaths I don't think @MathforGrownups specifically

mentioned dividing fractions.... (although we have to teach it) #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:11:52 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70219938970861568 - #158

@republicofmath Yep. Made oatmeal cookies this PM @MathforGrownups Math in

kitchen: recipes are ratios. Reducing recipes, reduce amounts. #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:12:30 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70220098375389184
70 - #159

@MrHonner @republicofmath Honestly, your remark "the answer is not a number" was a
lightbulb moment for me. Please blog more about it! #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:12:34 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70220112619249664 - #160

@reflectivemaths @MathforGrownups Hi. Sorry but not sure what 'canning' means. :-
:
s#mathchat
Mon May 16 20:12:43 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70220151873736704 - #161

@MathforGrownups @ColinTGraham Dividing a recipe in thirds may require dividing 1/3

in thirds. Better
etter yet, use weights, instead of other measures. #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:13:26 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70220331117314048 - #162

@icecolbeveridge @MathforGrownups Right, like me w/ music. When I needed it, I

looked into it. I think _not_ teaching fractions would reduce terror #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:13:32 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70220356920676352 - #163

Monday, 16th May 2011 What mathematical skills should high schoolers be graduating with?
 @MrHonner @missradders
missradders His "Innumeracy" is another classic. "A Mathematician Plays
the Stock Market" is a bit more esoteric, but still good. #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:13:41 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70220394493255680
70 - #164

@delta_dc @ColinTGraham @reflectivemaths @mathforgrownups Dividing fractions is

great place for synthesizing
izing a lot of mathematical ideas #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:13:44 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70220409454338048 - #165

@davidwees @republicofmath @Janshs The relevance does not necessarily have to be

for the students. "This is useful in someone's life..." #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:13:48 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70220422985170945 - #166

@mathhombre #mathchat Also like fractions as a context for consistency. If we have

these new kind of numbers, how will + or * work?
Mon May 16 20:13:59 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70220470863151104 - #167

@republicofmath But dividing fractions is an EXCITING ADVENTURE (for kids). How

many 1/2 s in 1 1/2? http://wp.me/p1mk0j
tp://wp.me/p1mk0j-b #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:14:17 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70220546763264000 - #168

@davidwees @republicofmath @Janshs "This is how this piece of mathematics is used

(or was used)" goes a long way toward building relevance. #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:14:24 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70220577201336320 - #169

@reflectivemaths @MathforGrownups In my ltd experience,

experience, rarely anything other than
1/2, 1/3 or 1/4 in the kitchen: Is that _really_ fractions? #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:14:58 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70220716271861760 - #170

@MathforGrownups @icecolbeveridge Yeah, because reducing anxiety is about

watering down the lesson. :) Why not make it easier with our methods?
meth #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:14:59 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70220720768172032 - #171

@ColinTGraham @MathforGrownups Dividing into three parts is not the same as dividing
by 1/3 though... #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:15:34 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70220871150731264
70 - #172

@republicofmath @MrHonner Light at end of tunnel might be train coming other

way!#mathchat
Mon May 16 20:15:44 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70220910078074880 - #173

@MathforGrownups @republicofmath The adventure is actually with $$$. That motivates

a lot of kids. :) #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:16:17 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70221051379990528 - #174

@icecolbeveridge @MathforGrownups I say it's not a critical skill until it's needed. I'd
rather everyone strong on estimating and basic arithmetic #mathchat
Monday, 16th May 2011 What mathematical skills should high schoolers be graduating with?
Mon May 16 20:16:19 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70221059374321664 - #175

@Janshs @davidwees @republicofmath for sure! often talk about things like engineering,
architecture, history #mathchat & this can make it more .....
.
Mon May 16 20:16:24 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70221078479384576 - #176

@missradders @reflectivemaths @MathforGrownups No it's not fractions. It's basic

division. #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:16:27 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70221090558976001 - #177

@ColinTGraham @delta_dc @reflectivemaths @mathforgrownups You may choose to

explore division of fractions where the synthesizing is important #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:16:32 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70221111698272257 - #178

@ColinTGraham ENOUGH with FRACTIONS!!!!

FRACT oops... #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:16:54 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70221204383989760 - #179

@icecolbeveridge Are we talking about _everyone_ or just the mathematicians?

#mathchat
Mon May 16 20:16:56 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70221213267537920
7022121326753792 - #180

@reflectivemaths @ColinTGraham @MathforGrownups ok. If we're saying 'the ability to

share something equally into x groups'
oups' then I'm onboard #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:17:15 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70221290870538240 - #181

@MathforGrownups @ColinTGraham You got me without my thinking cap on.#mathchat.

on.
Mon May 16 20:17:28 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70221345732042752
7022134573204275 - #182

@davidwees @Janshs @republicofmath The closer to the lives of your students you can
bring the math, the more relevant it will be more them. #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:17:43 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70221412132069376 - #183

@Janshs @davidwees @republicofmath ... make it more 'real' even if not a necessary
part of their own life or future life #mathchat ... & who ...
Mon May 16 20:17:44 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70221414782865408 - #184

@republicofmath @icecolbeveridge When is basic arithmetic

arithmetic needed? I don't need it. My
handy dandy cell phone does it all. I'm serious. #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:17:47 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70221426958929920 - #185

@SarahLKentner RT @delta_dc: #mathchat Not sure I want learners to understand

fractions as much as to use fractions to understand what it means to do m ...
Mon May 16 20:17:48 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70221429978828801 - #186

@reflectivemaths RT @icecolbeveridge: @MathforGrownups Right, like me w/ music.

When I needed it, I looked into it. I think _not_ teaching fractions would reduce terror#mathchat
terror
Mon, 16 May 2011 20:17:53 +0000 - tweet id 70221452200251392 - #187

Monday, 16th May 2011 What mathematical skills should high schoolers be graduating with?
 @MathforGrownups @icecolbeveridge And I say it's
it's a needed, critical skill. :)#mathchat
:)
Mon May 16 20:18:01 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70221483833692161 - #188

@ColinTGraham It says nowhere in today's topic that we are talking about HS graduating
IN mathematics, but just *when* they graduate... #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:18:04 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70221497335152641 - #189

@reflectivemaths @delta_dc @ColinTGraham @mathforgrownups

@mathforgrownups Is it.....?#mathchat
it.....?
Mon May 16 20:18:23 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70221576443928576 - #190

@mathhombre #mathchat Contexts for Learning Mathematics has a great context for
fraction intro. Dividing up sub sandwiches, asking "is it fair?"
Mon May 16 20:18:26 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70221591321120768 - #191

@Janshs @davidwees @republicofmath ... can know what their future may
hold#mathchat ; also what about keeping 'brain fit'?
Mon May 16 20:18:30 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70221608379355136 - #192

@davidwees @republicofmath @icecolbeveridge Aaah, but inputting it into your cell

phone is slow & speed is useful for arithmetic. #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:18:47 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70221679216967681 - #193

@icecolbeveridge @republicofmath e.g., in supermarket, my bill is off by tens of pounds.

#mathchat
Mon May 16 20:18:50 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70221692500320256 - #194

@MathforGrownups @republicofmath The mathematics comes in knowing what to plug

into the hand dandy cell phone. #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:19:02 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70221740579635201 - #195

@missradders @republicofmath
@republicofmath @icecolbeveridge Basic arithmetic isn't needed in terms
of accurate calc. Estimation is more important. #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:19:10 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70221773009993728 - #196

@MrHonner @ColinTGraham How about the ability to construct examples and

counterexamples? I think that's a crucial #math skill. #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:19:14 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70221791980818432 - #197

@delta_dc OK How about probability? >> RT “@ColinTGraham: ENOUGH with

FRACTIONS!!!! oops... #mathchat”
#mathchat
Mon May 16 20:19:17 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70221804668583936 - #198

@ColinTGraham What mathematical skills would Arts Arts HS need, vs engineers, vs sports
scholarships.... what's common/different at HS grad time... #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:19:19 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70221811866009600 - #199

Monday, 16th May 2011 What mathematical skills should high schoolers be graduating with?
 @davidwees @Janshs @republicofmath There are lots of applications of math which are
interesting for students & will keep their "brains fit."
fi #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:19:20 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70221817020817408 - #200

@Janshs @ColinTGraham LOL #mathchat sorry

Mon May 16 20:19:35 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70221880245751808 - #201

@mathhombre #mathchat Firsthand: Investigating Fractions, Decimals, and Percents,

Grades 4-6 http://bit.ly/muPwgB
Mon May 16 20:19:46 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70221924998975488 - #202

@MathforGrownups @ColinTGraham The basic math that grownups ask me about

includes fractions, percents, critical thinking, stuff from middle school #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:20:12 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70222034843602945 - #203

@mathhombre #mathchat
mathchat use it with college students and they make neat connections
Mon May 16 20:20:16 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70222052526784512 - #204

@reflectivemaths @missradders @MathforGrownups RT No it's not fractions. It's basic

division. #mathchat <---- agreed .
Mon May 16 20:20:20 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70222069706665984
702220697066 - #205

@Mstew15 I think that Ss should be able to be math-literate

math literate and unafraid of the word math
when they graduate! Genius
ius not necessary. #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:20:25 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70222090845962240 - #206

@icecolbeveridge @missradders I broadly agree - but you need _some_ basic arithmetic
to be able to estimate #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:20:40 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70222153856974848 - #207

@icecolbeveridge @MathforGrownups I think we should agree to disagree on

this.#mathchat
Mon May 16 20:21:09 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70222272799051776 - #208

@mathhombre What's the #mathchat topic? - assumed it was fractions!

Mon May 16 20:21:13 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70222292076085248 - #209

@ColinTGraham So far, we have agreed on: being able to critically interpret everyday
data, say whether a numerical answer is 'reasonable'... #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:21:15 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70222299109933056 - #210

@republicofmath That's easy part. Harder is how many groups of size y

@reflectivemaths 'the ability to share something equally into x groups' #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:21:25 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70222340616761344 - #211

Monday, 16th May 2011 What mathematical skills should high schoolers be graduating with?
 @reflectivemaths @mathhombre Surely in the context of sharing Subs, no-one
no cares if
it's exactly fair. #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:21:26 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70222346404888576 - #212

@Janshs #mathchat confessions of a maths tchr - once got a detention for not knowing
16xtable - still don't know, have discovered how 2 work out....
o
Mon May 16 20:21:44 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70222420061077504 - #213

@missradders @icecolbeveridge Yes I agree "basic" but

but I do think long hand written
calculations are not necessary due to technology. #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:22:18 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70222563581771776 - #214

@ColinTGraham We also agreed on: making estimates within a reasonable order of

magnitude, basic arithmetic (I'd say number facts to 10x10) #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:22:55 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70222720322895873 - #215

@MathforGrownups Thumbs up RT @missradders: Yes I agree "basic" but I do think

long hand written calculations are not necessary due to technology. #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:23:03 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70222754045112320 - #216

@republicofmath Shocking little known facts ... @Janshs once got a detention for not
knowing 16 x table #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:23:20 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70222822009602049 - #217

@reflectivemaths #mathchat Should we just accept that for most people, maths is just not
that vital?
Mon May 16 20:23:31 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70222869887586304 - #218

@ColinTGraham @missradders @icecolbeveridge @MathforGrownups Knowing that the

technology hass given an accurate answer is important, though #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:23:59 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70222985788801024 - #219

@Janshs @republicofmath are you teasing? #mathchat (we used to do pounds and
ounces ...) LOL
Mon May 16 20:24:16 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70223059856011264 - #220

@Mstew15 @reflectivemaths Is that why the world is in financial crisis?? #mathchat

Mon May 16 20:24:38 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70223150373281792 - #221

@republicofmath No basic calculations are necessary. If I, PhD mathematician, don't do

them, why should kids? Use calculator - on your phone. #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:24:53 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70223211794669568 - #222

@icecolbeveridge @missradders Completely agree. Let machines do what machines

machi are
good at. #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:24:58 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70223234259353600 - #223

Monday, 16th May 2011 What mathematical skills should high schoolers be graduating with?
 @delta_dc Math as taught or true math? >> RT “@reflectivemaths: #mathchat Should we
just accept that for most people, maths is just not that vital?”
vit
Mon May 16 20:24:58 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70223234628456448 - #224

@missradders @reflectivemaths For *most* people Maths isn't vital. Numeracy is. That's
the distinction we need to make I think... #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:25:02 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70223253309898752 - #225

@mathhombre re: needs for HSgrads: ability to do college math - just to keep their
options open. Know this is ~ "you'll need it for more math" #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:25:09 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70223282263171072 - #226

@icecolbeveridge RT @missradders: @reflectivemaths For *most* people Maths isn't

vital. Numeracy is. That's the distinction we need to make I think... #mathchat
Mon, 16 May 2011 20:25:13 +0000 - tweet id 70223299145240576 - #227

@MrHonner @ColinTGraham @missradders @icecolbeveridge @MathforGrownups

That's a great point--students
students must know the limits of technology. #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:25:25 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70223349099397121 - #228

@reflectivemaths @ColinTGraham Not sure if this is maths, but 'the ability not to believe
every number reported in the press' #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:25:43 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70223424605257728 - #229

@MathforGrownups Yes, es, but most folks don't know the difference. RT @missradders:
For *most* people Maths isn't vital. Numeracy is. #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:25:46 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70223434034069505 - #230

@ColinTGraham @reflectivemaths We're discussing mathematical *skills* not maths

itself... difficult to separate content from skill though... #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:25:57 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70223480351760384 - #231

@missradders @ColinTGraham @icecolbeveridge @MathforGrownups Agreed. I

mentioned earlier estimation & being able to tell if an ans reasonable. #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:26:01 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70223496915058688 - #232

@republicofmath @Janshs As kid in AUS we had to to divide pounds, shillings, pence,

halfpennies & farthings by ridiculous numbers. Very "useful" #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:26:20 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70223579664490497 - #233

@icecolbeveridge @MrHonner I once had a student INSIST that Mars was 5cm away b/c
his calculator said so. #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:26:21 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70223583103815680 - #234

@MrHonner For example, you need to understand what your calculator means when it
says -1.78180345E-18.
18. And you might also wonder "why?". #mathchat
Monday, 16th May 2011 What mathematical skills should high schoolers be graduating with?
Mon May 16 20:26:26 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70223605094559744
702 - #235

@missradders Yes!RT @reflectivemaths: @ColinTGraham Not sure if this is maths, but

the ability not to believe
lieve every number reported in press #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:26:38 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70223655396835328 - #236

@oldak RT @republicofmath: No basic calculations are necessary. If I, PhD

mathematician, don't do them, why should kids? Use calculator - on your phone.#mathchat
phone.
Mon, 16 May 2011 20:27:18 +0000 - tweet id 70223823030591488 - #237

@republicofmath Yes. Done this already in numeracy as a BS detector, a la

@JohnAllenPaulos #mathchat @reflectivemaths
Mon May 16 20:27:28 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70223863522402305 - #238

@Janshs @republicofmath and do you still 'convert' prices or have you got over that? oh
well, you could have been digging 'half a hole' #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:27:39 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70223910133706752 - #239

@MrHonner Do people who think elementary arithmetic should be performed by

calculator also believe students shouldn't learn to spell? #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:27:48 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70223949417545728 - #240

@reflectivemaths @Mstew15 I would expect people in charge of lending money to have

a good grasp of the risks involved. #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:28:01 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70224003897360384 - #241

@ColinTGraham Checking work!! Or you put a - instead of + and incur a multimillion

dollar fix to a space observatory... #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:28:07 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70224028526325760 - #242

@Mstew15 So reassuring...it's not just me! @icecolbeveridge

@icecolbeveridge 'once had a student INSIST
that Mars was 5cm away b/c his calculator said so' #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:28:28 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70224115126124544 - #243

@republicofmath Yes! How calculators deal with numbers. Very important skill. Usually
neglected. But very "real world" #mathchat @MrHonner
Mon May 16 20:28:39 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70224163528380416 - #244

@ColinTGraham @reflectivemaths @Mstew15 Except that a lot of decisions in stock

markets are done by financial forecasting software... #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:28:47 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70224196235558912 - #245

@reflectivemaths @delta_dc I suspect both are not that vital really. #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:28:54 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70224222835838976 - #246

@republicofmath Guess you don't work on Wall St @reflectivemaths expect people in

charge of lending money to have good grasp of risks involved. #mathchat
Monday, 16th May 2011 What mathematical skills should high schoolers be graduating with?
Mon May 16 20:29:24 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70224349038252033 - #247

@missradders @MrHonner Just to clarify my earlier comments. Basic arithmetic/

estimation = head.. Longer calcs e.g long x = calc #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:29:24 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70224350892134400 - #248

@cristobal_marco RT @SpringerMath: An article about “math anxiety” via

@MathUpdate . Did anyone out there overcome this sort of “math panic?”:http://sns
panic?”:http://sns.mx/and1y4
#mathchat
Mon, 16 May 2011 20:29:24 +0000 - tweet id 70224349675786240 - #249

@reflectivemaths @missradders Quite possibly. How far does Numeracacy

go...?#mathchat
Mon May 16 20:29:33 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70224386866692096 - #250

@Janshs @ColinTGraham ... or mix up metric and imperial .... #mathchat

Mon May 16 20:29:59 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70224496505794560 - #251

@delta_dc #mathchat Learners need to supported in developing critical thinking skills, like
"Should I use calculator to do 12x14?"
Mon May 16 20:30:02 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70224510502191104 - #252

@icecolbeveridge @MrHonner I think basic arith is akin to spelling, (eg) long division
more like calligraphy. Neat if you can do it, but not vital #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:30:18 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70224578156306433 - #253

@republicofmath And just to re-clarify:

re clarify: No! Basic arithmetic is a dead art. Look at your
kids cell phones. @missradders #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:30:37 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70224655566389248 - #254

@oldak @ColinTGraham Checking work == basic algebra? Transformation & substitution.

#mathchat
Mon May 16 20:30:38 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70224658988937216 - #255

@Mstew15 @ColinTGraham 'forecasting software' gets back to reasonability & large

numbers. Are decision-makers
makers well-versed
well in those skills? #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:31:10 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70224793781288960 - #256

@ColinTGraham Maybe, or having an estimate in your head before you go for the
calculator... & vice versa @oldak #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:31:21 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70224839826345985 - #257

@delta_dc @reflectivemaths I would wonder how you would define math then.#mathchat
then.
Mon May 16 20:31:35 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70224901084164096
702 - #258

@republicofmath If cell phone would do writing, would agree. @icecolbeveridge I think

basic arith is akin to spelling, #mathchat
Monday, 16th May 2011 What mathematical skills should high schoolers be graduating with?
Mon May 16 20:31:46 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70224946202288128 - #259

@missradders @reflectivemaths Good Q! I'd say times tables and reverse div. + and - 2
digit nos. Estimation. Time. Basic unit conversion. #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:31:57 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70224993073631232 - #260

@icecolbeveridge RT @Janshs: ... or mix up metric and imperial

imperial .... #mathchat <= Come
on, it's not rocket science! ;o) http://is.gd/QfDxRH
Mon May 16 20:32:08 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70225038044958720
702250380449 - #261

@ColinTGraham @Mstew15 I read recently that around 80% of those who think they are
good at maths make decisions on 'gut feeling'... <sigh> #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:32:17 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70225076024381440 - #262

@mathhombre #mathchat Obv. how to use the calculator, which includes make sense of
contexts, is key. Then rough check of answer.
Mon May 16 20:32:42 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70225182517755904 - #263

@reflectivemaths @republicofmath I should have used past tense : I _would_ have

expected people lending money to understand risks :-)
: #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:32:48 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70225207259971585 - #264

@oldak @republicofmath @missradders Even if not directly used, doesn't basic arithmetic
allow one to think about magnitude more fluidly? #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:32:52 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70225221709336576 - #265

@Mstew15 @ColinTGraham OH NO!!! #mathchat 'around 80% of those who think they
are good at maths make decisions on 'gut feeling'... <sigh>'
Mon May 16 20:33:25 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70225359144095744
702253591 - #266

@republicofmath We wish! @reflectivemaths should have used past tense : I _would_

have expected people lending money to understand risks :-)
: #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:33:36 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70225405554069504 - #267

@ColinTGraham @icecolbeveridge @MrHonner In relation to tech, many Japanese HS

are not able to use Chinese characters correctly... 'autospell' #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:33:44 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70225440375181312 - #268

@MrHonner @ColinTGraham @icecolbeveridge

@icecolbeveridge And if Japan had low literacy rates,
people might be advocating the elimination of kanji. #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:35:10 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70225803459301376 - #269

@reflectivemaths @delta_dc I very much like A Mathematician's Lament as a way to

understand what maths is. #mathchat Maths is abstract & not relevant irl
Mon May 16 20:35:12 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70225808156925952 - #270

@Janshs @icecolbeveridge haha you were there ahead of me #mathchat

Monday, 16th May 2011 What mathematical skills should high schoolers be graduating with?
Mon May 16 20:35:13 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70225814410637312 - #271

@HectorRamirezC RT @republicofmath: No basic calculations are necessary. If I, PhD

mathematician, don't do them, why should kids? Use calculator - on your phone.#mathchat
phone.
Mon, 16 May 2011 20:35:25 +0000 - tweet id 70225863865667584 - #272

@ColinTGraham I would add to the list: "Being able to see the numbers underlying
something" and thinking with the head, not the heart #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:35:38 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70225920279060481 - #273

@republicofmath Maybe, but is it "basic real world" skill. Once

Once maybe, not now. @oldak
basic arithm allow one to think about magnitude fluidly? #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:35:55 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70225991246684160 - #274

@icecolbeveridge #mathchat Talking of tech, really bugs me when Ss type in answer

ans to
10dp rather than use ANS button or store variables. Grr!
Mon May 16 20:36:10 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70226054660374530 - #275

@reflectivemaths @delta_dc "Should I use calculator to do 12x14?" Is a very hard

question to answer: depends on context? #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:36:48 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70226214060699649
702262 - #276

@mathhombre #mathchat Basic arithmetic,tic, if about understanding quantities and

relationships among them, and not raw computation, is great.
Mon May 16 20:37:04 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70226278439067648 - #277

@ColinTGraham @MrHonner @icecolbeveridge technically if Japanese 18yos are not

using kanji correctly, they are not (fully) literate... #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:37:07 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70226294268375042 - #278

@icecolbeveridge @reflectivemaths @delta_dc Naw, difference

difference of two
squares ;o)#mathchat
Mon May 16 20:37:33 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70226403068612608 - #279

@oldak @republicofmath Am thinking about how math influences way in which we

process information. Oncoming car - do I have time to cross? #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:37:59 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70226511222935552 - #280

@delta_dc @reflectivemaths I felt he set up a "straw

"straw man" argument. Not how I see math.
I view it more as process than product. #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:38:06 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70226539828084736 - #281

@ColinTGraham @oldak @republicofmath How much of that comes from muscle

memory/driving lessons/etc. though? #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:39:02 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70226774033838080 - #282

Monday, 16th May 2011 What mathematical skills should high schoolers be graduating with?
 @delta_dc “@reflectivemaths:
emaths: @delta_dc "Should I use calculator to do 12x14?" Is a very
hard question to answer: depends on context? #mathchat” < YES!
Mon May 16 20:39:18 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70226841453068288
702268414530 - #283

@Janshs so, efficient use of calculator seems gd skill nowadays #mathchat & that surely
does link back estimation & understanding of place value etc
Mon May 16 20:39:23 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70226860855918592 - #284

@MrHonner @ColinTGraham @icecolbeveridge If they are using Autospell, then they're

probably using them correctly! #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:39:25 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70226871509463040 - #285

@CutTheKnotMath @republicofmath @oldak The diff between spelling & basic

bas arith skills
spelling is corrected auto, mistyping a number screws result #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:39:31 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70226896507502592 - #286

@ColinTGraham @MrHonner @icecolbeveridge No, the Autospell gives a list of say 10

possible combinations and they chose the wrong one, or 1st... #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:40:35 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70227166587129856 - #287

@oldak @ColinTGraham @republicofmath Indeed. Not necessarily suggesting arith.

helps process information, but it may. Arith. as practice? #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:40:52 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70227235570851840 - #288

@ColinTGraham In most 'ordinary' peoples' minds, eg parents!, spelling and 'doing sums'
su
are seen as necessary (mandatory) #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:41:41 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70227440861065216 - #289

@kopsas @reflectivemaths What do you mean by "accept?" How do we determine what

is vital for individual students? They decide? #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:41:48 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70227470267330560 - #290

@MrHonner @CutTheKnotMath @ColinTGraham That's

That's a bold prediction. They're doing
amazing things with computers nowadays. #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:42:45 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70227708352802816 - #291

@reflectivemaths @delta_dc Should I use calculator to do 12x14?" Is a very hard Q to

answer: depends on context? #mathchat < YES!< If I have a calc = use it?
Mon May 16 20:42:50 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70227732746866688 - #292

@republicofmath Understanding of number operations, rather than calculational skill,

seems to be more important, IMO #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:42:58 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70227763864403968
70 - #293

@delta_dc Gotta run nice #mathchat ing with you all.

Mon May 16 20:43:18 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70227846873886721 - #294

Monday, 16th May 2011 What mathematical skills should high schoolers be graduating with?
 @CutTheKnotMath @MrHonner @ColinTGraham
@ColinTGraham @icecolbeveridge Autospell will never
be available for typing numbers #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:43:20 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70227857116372992 - #295

@ColinTGraham @reflectivemaths @delta_dc Maybe more important is if I use a

calculator to do 12x14, is the answer correct? #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:43:49 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70227978927357952 - #296

@icecolbeveridge @ColinTGraham Quite often same people that question maths'

relevance in everyday life #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:43:55 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70228001983430656 - #297

@juliolemos RT @republicofmath: No basic calculations are necessary. If I, PhD

mathematician, don't do them, why should kids? Use calculator - on
n your phone.#mathchat
phone.
Mon, 16 May 2011 20:44:02 +0000 - tweet id 70228032417308672 - #298

@Janshs RT @republicofmath: Understanding of number operations, rather than

calculational skill, seems to be more important, IMO #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:44:10 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70228066730905600 - #299

@reflectivemaths #mathchat Thanks guys but must leave you all for now
Mon May 16 20:44:14 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70228082778316800 - #300

@missradders @delta_dc I agree with @reflectivemaths There is no reason to do 12 x 14

in your head if you have calc. Reduces opp for error. #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:44:26 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70228135181946880 - #301

@CutTheKnotMath @republicofmath Understanding of number operations, rather than

th
calculational skill, ~but is there one without the other? #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:44:30 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70228151636213760 - #302

@tupinamba_ RT @republicofmath: No basic calculations are necessary. If I, PhD

mathematician, don't do them, why should kids? Use calculator - on your phone.#mathchat
phone.
Mon, 16 May 2011 20:44:46 +0000 - tweet id 70228219562958848 - #303

@oldak @CutTheKnotMath @republicofmath Not necessarily different: "Broil the ham" /

"boil the ham" -> different result #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:44:54 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70228251812966400
7022 - #304

@icecolbeveridge @missradders No reason to reach for calc if you know how to do it ;o)
#mathchat
Mon May 16 20:45:04 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70228291252006912 - #305

@ColinTGraham @icecolbeveridge Maybe those people are right to question maths'

relevance if their children are not learning the maths skills #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:45:10 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70228317441245184 - #306

Monday, 16th May 2011 What mathematical skills should high schoolers be graduating with?
 @republicofmath "Young Bertie's SO good at #maths.. He can calculate 231 X 459 in his
head." But can he think? Solve problems? Communicate? #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:45:11 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70228322356957184
70228322356 - #307

@missradders Yes.RT @ColinTGraham: @reflectivemaths @delta_dc Maybe more

important is if I use a calculator to do
d 12x14, is the answer correct? #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:45:25 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70228380624228352 - #308

@MathforGrownups RT Maybe those people are right to question maths' relevance if

their children are not learning the maths skills #mathchat < YEP!
Mon May 16 20:45:49 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70228481908293633 - #309

@mramidon @ColinTGraham Is it because it was important when our stus parents were
students? I think so... IMO #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:45:59 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70228524178481152 - #310

@missradders @icecolbeveridge We'll agree to disagree! #mathchat

Mon May 16 20:46:11 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70228573545443328 - #311

@CutTheKnotMath @oldak @republicofmath Broil / boil ~ so spelling is also a useful skill,

ski
yes. Good example. #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:46:23 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70228623931604993 - #312

@icecolbeveridge @ColinTGraham My feeling is that parents want kids to do well at

maths to get better job, but want to diminish own shortcomings #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:46:33 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70228665904009218 - #313

@republicofmath Think so - calc skill (in a routine sense), but poor operation sense.
@CutTheKnotMath ...~but is there one without the other? #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:46:34 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70228669582417920 - #314

@LaToniyaAJones RT @ColinTGraham: In most 'ordinary' peoples' minds, eg parents!,

spelling and 'doing sums' are seen as necessary (mandatory)
(ma #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:46:49 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70228732866084864 - #315

@CutTheKnotMath @republicofmath But can he think? Solve problems? Communicate?

~It need not be either/or #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:47:16 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70228846565277696 - #316

@ColinTGraham @mramidon Not entirely, there is research evidence to suggest that

knowing basic arithmetic
rithmetic facts 'boosts' math skills later #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:47:33 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70228916983431168 - #317

@icecolbeveridge @missradders Hee! Personally, I like to do these things in my head,

but I appreciate it's a calligraphy thing ;o) #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:47:54 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70229004879282176 - #318

Monday, 16th May 2011 What mathematical skills should high schoolers be graduating with?
 @Mstew15 So with all this calculator talk, would a skill be 'being resourceful' and knowing
how to find answers? #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:48:02 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70229038425321472 - #319

@oldak @republicofmath @CutTheKnotMath What about teaching kids programming?

Develop sense of operation & give capacity to control comps#mathchat
comps
Mon May 16 20:48:20 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70229114807783424 - #320

@MathforGrownups @Mstew15 I think it's as much a skill as a frame of mind. Again,

anxiety and defeatism play a role. #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:49:00 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70229281715912704
702292817159 - #321

@republicofmath Of course. Was being sarcastic - re parents desires for "basic

arithmetic" @CutTheKnotMath It need
nee not be either/or #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:49:14 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70229343611256832 - #322

@mramidon @ColinTGraham Can't argu w/that. I C it in my class. Math has a rhythm &
when a stus doesn't have the facts is breaks the rhythm. #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:49:18 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70229357230174208 - #323

@icecolbeveridge RT @Mstew15: So with all this calculator

calculator talk, would a skill be 'being
resourceful' and knowing how to find answers? #mathchat < YES. THIS.
Mon May 16 20:49:26 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70229393049522176 - #324

@CutTheKnotMath @republicofmath calc skill (in a routine sense), but poor operation
sense. ~What do you mean? like 4*56 = 20+6? #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:49:31 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70229414373367808 - #325

@ColinTGraham @Mstew15 Yes and also being able to approach an answer or solution
from two or more different directions... for confidence in ans. #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:49:38 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70229441409851392 - #326

@Flocabulary For those talking about calculator use on #mathchat,

#mathchat here is a limerick on
the subject from the Harvard Physics dept: http://ow.ly/4VVhZ
Mon May 16 20:49:44 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70229466005241858 - #327

@Flocabulary The skill to do math on a page Has declined to the point of outrage.
Equations quadratica ... #mathchat (1/2)
Mon May 16 20:50:16 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70229600088768512 - #328

@Flocabulary Are solved on Math'matica, And on birthdays we don't know our age. (2/2)
#mathchat
Mon May 16 20:50:29 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70229657949192192 - #329

@republicofmath Ed Dubinsky pushed that. Don't know success @oldak teaching

programming? Develop operation sense, give capacity to control comps #mathchat
Monday, 16th May 2011 What mathematical skills should high schoolers be graduating with?
Mon May 16 20:50:43 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70229714643599360 - #330

@CutTheKnotMath @republicofmath Of course. Was being sarcastic - re parents desires

~Sorry. I am not just fast enough to follow the tweet stream #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:50:45 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70229723178995712 - #331

@ColinTGraham @Flocabulary Maybe the skill to do calculations

calculations on a page... a great
deal of mathematics still needs to be written & done mentally #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:52:05 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70230060468150272 - #332

@MathforGrownups @ColinTGraham To use two different approaches, one must

understand that there is NOT only one method. Tough for some. #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:52:24 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70230137832087555 - #333

@republicofmath LOL! No need to be sorry Alex. Was aiming at UK folk (Hence use of
"maths") @CutTheKnotMath #mathchat Irony/ sarcasm well understood in UK
Mon May 16 20:53:05 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70230309081325568 - #334

@icecolbeveridge RT @MathforGrownups: ... one must understand that there

th is NOT
only one method. #mathchat <= YES. ALSO THIS.
Mon May 16 20:53:07 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70230316949831680 - #335

@MathforGrownups Been fun, but got to run! Thx all. #mathchat

Mon May 16 20:53:22 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70230383135956992
7023038313 - #336

@icecolbeveridge @republicofmath Working definition of sarcasm: saying the opposite of

what you mean in a British
sh accent #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:53:39 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70230455106015233 - #337

@ColinTGraham Would it be fair to say that each HS graduate should be numerate to a

functionally appropriate level within each area of study? #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:53:46 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70230481408499714 - #338

@oldak Should consider possible effect of learning mental arithmetic on brain

development: http://goo.gl/sZlNF #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:53:58 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70230534890078208 - #339

@ColinTGraham @MathforGrownups Thanks for your input Laura! #mathchat

Mon May 16 20:54:06 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70230567169437696 - #340

@icecolbeveridge @MathforGrownups Cheerio! #mathchat

Mon May 16 20:54:17 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70230611826180097 - #341

@Mstew15 I really like this idea!! @MathforGrownups 'To use two different approaches,
must understand that there's NOT only one method.' #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:54:33 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70230679941681153 - #342

Monday, 16th May 2011 What mathematical skills should high schoolers be graduating with?
 @republicofmath @ColinTGraham @Flocabulary I'm more with Feynman on this one. I
by & large think math on the page, not in my head. Others differ. #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:54:45 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70230729187000320 - #343

@ccampbel14 @cherraolthof's lesson idea about unfortunate events in Slave Lake. <--
< All
students could contribute opinions http://goo.gl/Dppbz #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:55:03 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70230805510766592 - #344

@republicofmath That's a very good point @oldak effect of learning mental arithmetic on
brain development http://goo.gl/sZlNF #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:55:37 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70230946502279170 - #345

@icecolbeveridge #mathchat Important thing in most math reaching and justifying answer.
Exact method not so important, IMO.
Mon May 16 20:56:07 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70231073379991552 - #346

@ColinTGraham Last 5 minutes... already! Any burning ideas or comments related to

what mathematical skills (all) HS students should
shoul graduate w/? #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:56:27 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70231158868295680 - #347

@Flocabulary @republicofmath @ColinTGGraham Yes, both approaches to math have

their place! #mathchat Was just sharing the first line of a limerick :)
Mon May 16 20:56:47 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70231241416392704 - #348

@republicofmath Nothing more "real world" than one's own

own brain @oldak
#mathchatMaybe
Maybe prime numbers stimulate synaptic connections?!! #ismathgoodforyou
Mon May 16 20:57:18 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70231371175575552 - #349

@icecolbeveridge #mathchat Irritates me beyond measure to see qs asking 'Use

[technique] to solve...' when another technique would work just as well.
Mon May 16 20:57:20 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70231381329969152 - #350

@ColinTGraham I'd like students to be able to look at how what they are doing could be
represented mathematically, sometimes (always!) #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:58:42 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70231724092694528 - #351

@misterlamb RT @markknoller: Math teachers: Tell your students that POTUS says they
need algebra. President Obama said it teaches us to think. #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:59:02 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70231807966195712 - #352

@republicofmath बहुत धयवाद Colin @ColinTGraham #mathchat

Mon May 16 20:59:02 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70231807915868160 - #353

@Janshs I wonder if Maths has something that could be used across other subjects ...
developing metacognition via learning journals #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:59:12 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70231850710351872 - #354
Monday, 16th May 2011 What mathematical skills should high schoolers be graduating with?
 @ColinTGraham @icecolbeveridge Valid as a way of diagnosing where a particular
procedure can be used... so long as it's not prescriptive ;-)
; #mathchat
Mon May 16 20:59:42 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70231973779619840 - #355

@CutTheKnotMath @republicofmath I think numeracy as a BS detector, along the lines

of @JohnAllenPaulos books ~perhaps also some rec math #mathchat
Mon May 16 21:00:49 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70232258593824768 - #356

@ColinTGraham @Janshs Funny you should mention that, Jan, it leads nicely into the
next topic! #mathchat
Mon May 16 21:00:50 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70232261169127424
70232261169127 - #357

@icecolbeveridge @ColinTGraham That's the thing - exam qs prescribe method. Jump

through hoop like good dolphin. #mathchat
Mon May 16 21:00:51 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70232263383715840 - #358

@republicofmath Yes, quite a lot of FUN! @CutTheKnotMath ~perhaps also some rec
math #mathchat
Mon May 16 21:01:57 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70232543798116352 - #359

@CutTheKnotMath @icecolbeveridge Exact method not so important, IMO ~absolutely

agree #mathchat
Mon May 16 21:02:22 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70232645811961856 - #360

@ColinTGraham OK, that's it for this time round everyone. Thank you all for your
contributions... before we start introducing fun again... ;-P
; #mathchat
Mon May 16 21:02:27 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70232665961402369
7023266 - #361

@LogicalChoice RT @republicofmath: That's a very good point @oldak effect of learning

mental arithmetic on brain
rain development http://goo.gl/sZlNF #mathchat
Mon May 16 21:02:40 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70232722961993728 - #362

@matthen2 @mathchat @republicofmath @CutTheKnotMath @ColinTGraham so what's

the general theme of #mathchat at the moment?
Mon May 16 21:02:44 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70232740871684097 - #363

@ColinTGraham @matthen2 We're just finishing Matt! Feel free to continue though... ;-)
;
#mathchat
Mon May 16 21:03:44 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70232992269877248 - #364

@Janshs @ColinTGraham thanks to you Colin #mathchat and to all

Mon May 16 21:04:07 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70233086897561600 - #365

@ColinTGraham You're welcome-ji

welcome RT @republicofmath: बहुत धयवाद Colin#mathchat
Mon May 16 21:04:22 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70233149401079808 - #366

Monday, 16th May 2011 What mathematical skills should high schoolers be graduating with?
 @ColinTGraham How has #mathchat helped you? please add your
voice!http://bit.ly/ipPXVQ
Mon May 16 21:05:39 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70233474992316416 - #367

@Flocabulary @ColinTGraham Thanks for the interesting discussion #mathchat. What is

the topic next week?
Mon May 16 21:06:11 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70233605720375296 - #368

@ColinTGraham .@Flocabulary Next Nex week's #mathchat topic will be "What does or
should a student maths journal look like?"
Mon May 16 21:07:47 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70234010164535296 - #370

@davidwees @ColinTGraham @Flocabulary I used math journals for 5 years. They can
be useful wish I'd had colleagues to discuss them w/. #mathchat
Mon May 16 21:12:44 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70235255616962561 - #371

@davidwees @ColinTGraham @Flocabulary Gave up because it felt like I was the only
one using them. #mathchat
Mon May 16 21:13:00 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70235322419650560 - #372

@ColinTGraham @davidwees Your input would be great on the next #mathchat then
David. Maybe talk about the pitfalls too!
Mon May 16 21:13:54 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70235551181180928 - #373

@Flocabulary @davidwees @ColinTGraham Great, look forward to talking with you

about them! #mathchat
Mon May 16 21:14:27 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70235688666275840 - #374

@Janshs RT @ColinTGraham: How has #mathchat helped you? please add your
y voice!
http://bit.ly/ipPXVQ
Mon May 16 21:14:49 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70235781536563201 - #375

@mathequality @davidwees @ColinTGraham @Flocabulary Gave up because it felt like

I was the only one using them. #mathchat ...students' journals, Daviid?
Mon May 16 21:15:01 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70235829146099712 - #376

@davidwees @mathequality @ColinTGraham @Flocabulary Yes, I had students

stude keep
journals at the end of every math class for 5 years. #mathchat
Mon May 16 21:16:49 +0000 2011 - tweet id 70236283246616577 - #377

Monday, 16th May 2011 What mathematical skills should high schoolers be graduating with?