@ColinTGraham Hello everyone, welcome to today's (well publicized!) #mathchat (well-publicized!

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Mon Jun 27 19:30:27 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85429803456544769 - #1

@ColinTGraham For newcomers, don't try to follow everything, it can move fast! Interact with one or two people instead. Don't forget the ---> #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 19:31:13 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85429998542000128 - #2

@stefras #mathchat on now!

Mon Jun 27 19:31:35 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85430091747831 85430091747831808 - #5

@ColinTGraham If you are RTing or must tweet over 140 characters... put the #mathchat near the start of the tweet. You may want to unprotect tweets too...
Mon Jun 27 19:32:03 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85430207351226370 - #6

@stefras @ColinTGraham Hi Colin. Great day for a #mathchat

Mon Jun 27 19:32:34 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85430338012196864 - #7

@ColinTGraham Today's topic follows up last time's... "How do I find compelling problems that grab student attention?" #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 19:32:39 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85430358799159296 - #8

@ColinTGraham @stefras Hi Shawn. Looks like you've been champing at the bit all weekend for this revisit... ;-) #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 19:33:34 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85430588902866944 - #9

@stefras @ColinTGraham Have I? Hmm. Not really. But raring to leap out of the starting gates. #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 19:34:20 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85430783472443392 - #10

@delta_dc #mathchat Engaging learners requires problems that they believe they have potential to complete and purpose for lives.
Mon Jun 27 19:34:35 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85430845158072320 - #11

@ColinTGraham OK, one thing clear from last time was we need to be careful that the "wow!" factor of grabbing attention doesn't overpower #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 19:35:04 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85430966830632960 - #12

@ColinTGraham @delta_dc Relevance... maybe. What's wrong with doing puzzles for fun? Crosswords aren't exactly "purpose for lives" for example. #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 19:36:43 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85431382125445120 - #14

@stefras Engagement has to challenge students & sustain their interest in flow so they sustain pay more attention to activity than time. #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 19:37:27 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85431568608395264 - #15

Monday, 27th June 2011

How do I find compelling problems that grab student attention? (follow (follow-up discussion)

@ColinTGraham Before the problems... What kinds of thing do you think 'grab student attention'? Are they predictable? #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 19:38:15 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85431769050001408 - #16

@stefras @ColinTGraham I agree. Relevance does not have to be practical or "real" life nTGraham doing. But engaging, sustaining interest. #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 19:38:21 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85431794383593473 - #17

@stefras @ColinTGraham I think it depends on the student. Their lives. Their imaginations. Their curiosity. Their pride #mathchat pride.
Mon Jun 27 19:39:29 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85432079243952128 - #18

@stefras @dmarain In the middle of #mathchat. Join us and we'll ans your question later . 90 min. #mathed #mathchat #Math
Mon Jun 27 19:40:17 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85432278142029824 - #20

@ColinTGraham Are we looking for: "How do you do that?" followed by "Is that something I could do?" when we talk about beginning engagement? #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 19:40:18 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85432286207676416 - #22

@delta_dc @ColinTGraham Puzzles can have purpose. Even 'straight' math can. I am not a real-life-math purist. #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 19:40:35 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85432 85432357460508672 - #23

@stefras @ColinTGraham I think so. #mathchat

Mon Jun 27 19:40:38 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85432370060210176 - #24

@stefras @ColinTGraham Also we need to start withyour question, what engages withyour students/people? #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 19:41:21 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85432547726733312 - #25

@stefras Hmm. I see Twitter is slow today. Probably due to #iste11 tweets. #mathchat going to be bumpy.
Mon Jun 27 19:42:07 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85432741105119232 - #26

@ColinTGraham @delta_dc We cannot assume, either, that puzzles are going to be interesting or engaging for all the Ss... #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 19:42:15 +0000 2011 - tweet id 854327732502568 - #27 85432773250256896

@stefras @ColinTGraham But a problem, a challenge, to start the puzzle with would engage more students. #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 19:42:56 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85432947984961536 - #28

@stefras Did we agree on what engages students yet? #mathchat

Mon Jun 27 19:43:31 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85433091870568448 - #29

Monday, 27th June 2011

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@Sundayteatime #mathchat something really easy to get into. A seemingly easy puzzle that is deceptively tough.
Mon Jun 27 19:43:31 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85433091992207361 - #30

@stefras I like those. RT @Sundayteatime: #mathchat something really easy to get into. A seemingly easy puzzle that is deceptively tough.
Mon Jun 27 19:43:52 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85433183868424192 - #31

@dmarain Calling a problem a "puzzle" is less threatening and it sounds like it might be fun to try. This has been my experience. #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 19:43:54 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85433189748850688 - #32

@delta_dc @ColinTGraham Which goes to @stefras question: what engages 1 person may not engage someone else. My purpose probably isn't yours. #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 19:44:35 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85433361639813120 - #33

@wilderlab See Paul Lockhart's thoughts on math and relevance to students' lives seeming forced and contrived #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 19:44:38 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85433376890298368 - #34

@ColinTGraham I often compare this to "Look at that!" Reaction is usually going to be a quick diversion of attention. Engagement is prolonged #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 19:44:47 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85433410679615488 - #35

@stefras @dmarain Nesting problems or stories from which students pose and make own problems also works. #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 19:44:48 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85433415888945152 - #36

@stefras @wilderlab That is a problem, isn't it? Engaging without contriving. Turn off vs turn on. #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 19:45:42 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85433643954212864 - #37

@ColinTGraham @delta_dc @stefras Exactly, and what no one questio no-one questioned last time was the "How do I find... " part of the topic. Should "I" do it? #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 19:46:19 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85433798304595970 - #38

@ColinTGraham @dmarain You can set it up as a personal problem: "I've having a problem doing..." but it has to be a genuine 'teaser' for you #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 19:47:34 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85434114861314048 - #39

@Janshs Maybe you can teach students how to be engaged? #mathchat

Mon Jun 27 19:47:38 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85434129977581568 - #40

@delta_dc #mathchat The problem can be something I am interested in so I can model mathematical enthusiasm.
Mon Jun 27 19:47:44 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85434154031915008 - #41

Monday, 27th June 2011

How do I find compelling problems that grab student attention? (follow (follow-up discussion)

@stefras By nesting problem, eg discrete math problem (liar problem) which is coded, problem break code, pose prob, solve #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 19:47:46 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85434161355161601 - #42

@wilderlab Yes... I have really been thinking a great deal about it MT @stefras: That is a problem, engaging without contriving. #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 19:48:07 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85434252702908416 - #43

@stefras @Janshs How? #mathchat w?

Mon Jun 27 19:48:25 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85434326765928448 - #44

@druinok Engagement - something that makes them go "Hmmm" - causes them to wonder "what if" - (thinking of #anyqs or #wcydwt) - #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 19:48:26 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85434329467060225 - #45

@Janshs RT @delta_dc: #mathchat The problem can be something I am interested in so I can model mathematical enthusiasm.
Mon Jun 27 19:48:36 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85434371376558081 - #46

@ColinTGraham @Sundayteatime Yes. Or a puzzle which has a long, "b "brute force", method to work it out or a quick, "thinker's", method... #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 19:48:40 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85434387797245952 - #47

@stefras @delta_dc Modelling enthusiasm as well as method of solving from scratch is empowering for students. #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 19:49:23 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85434570123649024 - #48

@ColinTGraham @wilderlab Teenage especially tend to have well developed BS Teenagers detectors in relation to what is 'real' and what is real... #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 19:49:24 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85434575907602432 - #49

@Janshs @stefras see @delta_dc last tweet about modelling enthusiasm #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 19:49:35 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85434622468558848 - #50

@republicofmath Yes, something like: "Is there something you feel you want to follow "Is up?" @Janshs Maybe can teach students how to be engaged? #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 19:50:02 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85434735265976320 - #51

@Janshs @stefras and how else? It's a Big Question: I think enthusiasm needs to taught early on #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 19:50:25 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85434829885280256 - #52

@stefras @druinok I think what if is more powerful than hm. Hmm seems short uinok short-term. what if challenges. #anyqs #wcydwt #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 19:50:26 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85434834943614976 - #53

Monday, 27th June 2011

How do I find compelling problems that grab student attention? (follow (follow-up discussion)

@ColinTGraham @Janshs Can you teach engagement? Hmm... observing when Ss seem engaged and what it is that's engaging them may be a start #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 19:50:49 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85434930292731904 - #54

@stefras @ColinTGraham Or missing information, so students are forced to assume, which changes result and activity. All unique. #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 19:51:10 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85435017089658881 - #55

@Janshs @republicofmath yes a little like coaching? #mathchat

Mon Jun 27 19:51:21 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85435064149741568 - #56

@republicofmath #mathchat @jamestanton works to help students learn to think mathematically. That's engaging IMO. We can always dig a little deeper.
Mon Jun 27 19:51:28 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85435096324247553 - #57

@republicofmath #mathchat @janshs Yes, more like coaching than "teaching".

Mon Jun 27 19:52:09 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85435268546560000 - #58

@stefras @ColinTGraham A masters thesis there. observing when Ss seem engaged and what it is that's engaging them #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 19:52:50 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85435438571069441 - #59

@AshleyWalther I try to turn my lessons into "discovery" type lessons...so the kids have to DO something to get the info instead of just listen #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 19:52:54 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85435454152904704 - #60

@ColinTGraham @druinok I think #anyqs #wcydwt are more clearly geared to provoking natural 'mathy' questions. "How did you do that?" works too. #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 19:52:57 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85435466685497344 - #61

@Janshs @republicofmath so do we coach life skills and teach maths skills etc? #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 19:52:59 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85435476995092480 - #62

@druinok @stefras agreed, but both spark the intellectual curiousity needed for engagement - I need to wonder about the world around me. #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 19:53:26 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85435591176622080 - #63

@wilderlab Again, I think of Lockhart and doing math for math's sake MT @ColinTGraham: relation to what is 'real' #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 19:53:29 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85435601444274178 - #64

@Janshs @republicofmath @jamestanton thinking mathematically I think that's what I meant really about being engaged/teaching #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 19:54:08 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85435765315743744 - #65

Monday, 27th June 2011

How do I find compelling problems that grab student attention? (follow (follow-up discussion)

@ColinTGraham @republicofmath I think @jamestanton's approach is as much directed towards the prevention of the "Finished!" response too. #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 19:54:32 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85435864964018176 - #66

@republicofmath #mathchat @janshs I think a trick is to progressively interest students in investigating their own problems, after discussion & refinement.
Mon Jun 27 19:54:33 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85435871708450817 - #67

@Janshs RT @wilderlab: Again, I think of Lockhart and doing math for math's sake MT @ColinTGraham: relation to what is 'real' #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 19:54:34 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85435875860824066 - #68

@stefras @republicofmath That is our job now, isn't it? Coaching/facilitating rather than teaching. So how do we compel them this way? #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 19:54:53 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85435952692072448 - #69

@Janshs @republicofmath just to be a pest: how long does that take? What age shd we start? #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 19:55:38 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85436143532908544 - #70

@ColinTGraham @AshleyWalther That's what most of us are trying to some extent, I @AshleyWalther think. The question is how/where do we find the "compulsion"? #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 19:55:48 +0000 2011 - tweet id 854361830600 85436183060033536 - #71

@stefras RT @ColinTGraham: @druinok "How did you do that?" works too. > Particularly if the teacher asks the student. Or how did he do that? nt. that?#mathchat
Mon Jun 27 19:56:10 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85436278849540096 - #72

@republicofmath #mathchat @ColinTGraham Yes. With @jamestanton one is never finished! G. H. Hardy was of a similar mind - always another mountain peak.
Mon Jun 27 19:56:16 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85436303730147328 - #73

@reflectivemaths I find my male students are engaged in the idea of console games. I don't know how to capitalize on that #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 19:56:29 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85436357970886656 - #75

@stefras @Janshs I think math skills should be taught as students encounter them during problem solving. Like grammar during writing. #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 19:56:51 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85436450702757888 - #76

@AshleyWalther .@ColinTGraham oh I see...I think asking good questions can get the kids pretty engaged & motivated to find the ans on their own #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 19:57:02 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85436494399021057 - #77

@ColinTGraham @stefras Well we quite blith ly bandy words like "engagement" about as blithely being a "good thing". Are we clear what it is? #mathchat
Monday, 27th June 2011 How do I find compelling problems that grab student attention? (follow (follow-up discussion)

Mon Jun 27 19:57:05 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85436508227637248 - #78

@republicofmath #mathchat @janshs It takes forever! So start early and often!

Mon Jun 27 19:57:29 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85436607670403073 - #79

@Janshs @EmergentMath: Things that are Good: A Problem Based Learning Approach in Mathematics http://t.co/6aXPvAy #mathchat http://t.co/6aXPvAy
Mon Jun 27 19:57:43 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85436668710092800 - #80

@informed_edu Oh no, just realised I've missed #mathchat!

Mon Jun 27 19:57:52 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85436704751755264 - #81

@republicofmath #mathchat @informed_edu There's still an hour to go! ormed_edu

Mon Jun 27 19:58:32 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85436873161453569 - #82

@ColinTGraham @wilderlab I compare my perseverance with certain things to, say, @wilderlab soccer playing (which for me is totally a waste of space space-time). #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 19:59:03 +0000 2011 - tweet id 854370037 85437003759489025 - #83

@stefras @republicofmath So discussion, feeback, rethink, rework, repose, resolve, relearn, new concepts, new skills, relevant to adulthood #mathchat kills,
Mon Jun 27 19:59:09 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85437027272757248 - #84

@Janshs @republicofmath so maths teacher ed needed then? #mathchat

Mon Jun 27 19:59:23 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85437088723513344 - #85

@republicofmath #mathchat @ColinTGraham William & Kate's engagement was well 's defined. Other uses may not be.
Mon Jun 27 19:59:26 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85437100308185088 - #86

@republicofmath #mathchat @janshs I would say so ( math teacher ed)

Mon Jun 27 20:00:19 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85437320211333120 - #87

@Janshs @informed_edu we are still here #mathchat

Mon Jun 27 20:00:20 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85437327362637824 - #88

@stefras @Janshs I think the sooner the better. Why wait? Why make seem hard or advanced? If treat as natural next step any difficulty do #mathchat step,
Mon Jun 27 20:00:21 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85437328218263552 - #89

@ColinTGraham @AshleyWalther Maybe the " find the ans on their own" is part of the issue too. Some problems/puzzles may work better w/ collabrtn #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 20:00:37 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85437397013250048 - #90

@AshleyWalther @reflectivemaths problem is they don't all like the same game...you engage about 1/3 of the class at a time when you pick one :/ #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 20:00:58 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85437484200247297 - #91

Monday, 27th June 2011

How do I find compelling problems that grab student attention? (follow (follow-up discussion)

@ColinTGraham My point... do we each know what we mean? RT @republicofmath:#mathchat William & Kate's engagement was well defined. Other uses may not be.
Mon Jun 27 20:01:34 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85437634972876801 - #92

@stefras @AshleyWalther So now we have to identify "good questions". #mathchat

Mon Jun 27 20:01:40 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85437662865002496 - #93

@Janshs Sorry distracted from #mathchat by fox cub running acros my lawn! across
Mon Jun 27 20:01:51 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85437706104086528 - #94

@mathhombre @Janshs #mathchat definitely worth teaching stu.s to monitor their engagement.
Mon Jun 27 20:02:06 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85437769895251968 - #95

@delta_dc #mathchat Ellin Oliver Keene has book coming out in fall about the important role teachers play in noticing & naming thi things like enthusiasm.
Mon Jun 27 20:02:07 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85437773770788864 - #97

@stefras @ColinTGraham No. What is engagement really, practically? #mathchat engagement

Mon Jun 27 20:02:10 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85437789247782912 - #98

@AshleyWalther .@ColinTGraham yea I guess I meant "on their own" meaning without the teacher telling them....collaboration btwn students is good #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 20:02:11 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85437792435441664 - #99

@Janshs @mathhombre: @Janshs #mathchat definitely worth teaching stu.s to monitor their engagement. ah I like!
Mon Jun 27 20:02:39 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85437908252770304 - #100

@stefras @informed_edu Just starting #mathchat

Mon Jun 27 20:02:40 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85437912 85437912598056960 - #101

@ColinTGraham @Janshs And does thinking mathematically differ from mathematical thinking? It does for me! I'd like to get Ss doing the latter! #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 20:02:45 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85437935951941632 - #102

@republicofmath #mathchat @ColinTGraham I don't even know what i mean

Mon Jun 27 20:03:02 +0000 2011 - tweet id 854380065043374 - #103 85438006504337408

@ColinTGraham @reflectivemaths Maybe get them to design and make their own games... #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 20:03:19 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85438077945913344 - #104

Monday, 27th June 2011

How do I find compelling problems that grab student attention? (follow (follow-up discussion)

@mathhombre #mathchat wish there were more resources like http://t.co/u4beJeQ for rich, sortable problems. Sortable by content and challenge
Mon Jun 27 20:03:31 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85438127530967040 - #105

@ColinTGraham Only the first 30 mins, still an hour to go on Mondays, Dave! RT Mondays, @informed_edu: Oh no, just realised I've missed #mathchat!
Mon Jun 27 20:03:53 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85438219046486018 - #106

@stefras @ColinTGraham By find on own, find without teacher handfeeding. #mathchat

Mon Jun 27 20:04:05 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85438271089414144 - #107

@Janshs @ColinTGraham phew! Tricky #mathchat sometimes just thinking about thinking would be good
Mon Jun 27 20:04:05 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85438271064256512 - #108

@stefras @AshleyWalther Multiple games. Different styles. Different goals. Same or different outcomes. #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 20:04:49 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85438454271459328 - #109

@mathhombre #mathcha has anyone brought up @ddmeyer's #anyqs or #wcydwt in this #mathchat context? Student posed prob.s go far towards engagement
Mon Jun 27 20:04:55 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85438477377863680 - #110

@ColinTGraham @Janshs That was what I was presenting about at the Thinking Schools conference... ;-) #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 20:04:58 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85438492095684608 - #111

@republicofmath #mathchat Think I know when there's disengagement: talking off off-task, looking out window for extended time, excessive yawning, asleep, ... ime,
Mon Jun 27 20:04:59 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85438496352911360 - #112

@Janshs RT @delta_dc: #mathchat Ellin Oliver Keene has book coming out in fall about the important role teachers play in noticing & naming thing ...
Mon Jun 27 20:05:03 +0000 2011 - tweet id 8543851108749721 - #113 85438511087497217

@stefras RT @Janshs: Sorry distracted from #mathchat by fox cub running across my lawn! Now that is engagement!
Mon Jun 27 20:05:22 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85438592574435329 - #115

@mathhombre #mathchat then teacher's challenge is to find situations that will bring up req'd standards
Mon Jun 27 20:05:24 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85438599755071488 - #116

@ColinTGraham Topic reminder... "How do I find compelling problems that grab student attention?" #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 20:05:56 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85438736158031872 - #117

Monday, 27th June 2011

How do I find compelling problems that grab student attention? (follow (follow-up discussion)

@stefras @mathhombre So metamath. http://bit.ly/stefmathlabs #mathchat athhombre

Mon Jun 27 20:05:56 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85438734094438400 - #118

@delta_dc #mathchat I've had learners define engagement, monitor their own engagement & brainstorm ways to improve it. http://t.co/5zW2nO6
Mon Jun 27 20:06:13 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85438806332932096 - #119

@erg0dic RT @mathhombre: #mathchat wish there were more resources like http://t.co/u4beJeQ for rich, sortable problems. Sortable by content and c ...
Mon Jun 27 20:06:18 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85438826469789696 - #120

@mathhombre #mathchat we have to remember that stu.s have been disempowered; trained for obedience. Makes it harder to initiate.
Mon Jun 27 20:06:47 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85438951011262464 - #121

@Janshs @republicofmath #mathchat Think I know when there's disengagement: talking off-task, looking out window .... excessive yawning, asleep" lol task,
Mon Jun 27 20:06:50 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85438959919960064 - #122

@republicofmath #mathchat @ColinTGraham Personally, I find the topic a hard one. Have worked on it, with limited success ( ted (http://t.co/XSXtW1F)
Mon Jun 27 20:07:22 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85439094850719745 - #123

@stefras @ColinTGraham But need a reason or direction to design own games. So have to still compel them to do so. So again how? #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 20:07:32 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85439137133506561 - #124

@informed_edu I tried some income tax problems with some kids in one class - they were shocked how much tax people pay! #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 20:08:00 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85439257296121856 - #125

@ColinTGraham I equate engagement to Cskszentmihlyi's concept of flow...works for me, anyway RT @republicofmath: #mathchat I don't even know what i mean
Mon Jun 27 20:08:06 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85439279588843520 - #126

@Janshs @ColinTGraham will you blog or upload stuff? #mathchat

Mon Jun 27 20:08:19 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85439334441959424 - #127

@stefras @Janshs Ah but isn't thinking about thinking a math problem in itself! #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 20:08:22 +0000 2011 - tweet id 854 85439348073431040 - #128

@AshleyWalther .@stefras @ColinTGraham i've had students design carnival games using the idea of geometric probability, they seemed to like that #mathchat ic
Mon Jun 27 20:08:47 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85439450561253376 - #129

Monday, 27th June 2011

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@Janshs @stefras maybe that's the 'mark' of it #mathchat

Mon Jun 27 20:09:03 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85439519884709888 - #130

@stefras @republicofmath BUt why disengaged and how reverse to engage? #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 20:09:22 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85439600696369153 - #131

@Janshs RT @stefras: @mathho @mathhombre So metamath. http://bit.ly/stefmathlabs http://bit.ly/stefmathlabs#mathchat

Mon Jun 27 20:09:52 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85439725128777728 - #132

@stefras RT @mathhombre: #mathchat then teacher's challenge is to find situations that will bring up req'd standards > without being contriving
Mon Jun 27 20:10:07 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85439785925230592 - #133

@ColinTGraham @stefras Doing something "on your own" implies exclusion of outside help. I prefer working independently as a goal in this case. #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 20:10:13 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85439812852645888 - #134

@stefras @ColinTGraham "find" vs "design"? ie. compelling problems. #mathchat

Mon Jun 27 20:10:47 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85439953978392576 - #135

@stefras RT @mathhombre: #mathchat we have to remember that stu.s have been disempowered; trained for obedience. Makes it harder to initiate.
Mon Jun 27 20:11:10 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85440051491770369 - #136

@delta_dc @stefras @republicofmath Disengaged usually means disconnected to anything of meaning. #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 20:11:12 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85440059570008064 - #137

@ColinTGraham @stefras There are Web 2.0 tools such as Kodu or Scratch etc. which offer inroads to game-making, animation, etc. #mathchat making,
Mon Jun 27 20:11:13 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85440064603168768 - #138

@republicofmath #mathchat @AshleyWalther We've all had some success finding engaging problems, for some students in some circumstances. But HOW do we do it?
Mon Jun 27 20:11:22 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85440102213492736 - #139

@mathhombre #mathchat Jo Boaler did a summer school project where stu.s pres presented work everyday. Led to greater engagement b/c they would be sharing
Mon Jun 27 20:11:46 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85440204588056576 - #140

@informed_edu @stefras @mathhombre Jo Boaler (despite the flaws in some of her research) suggests contrived problems are a particular problem.#mathchat problem.#mathchat
Mon Jun 27 20:11:47 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85440206156738560 - #141

Monday, 27th June 2011

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@EmergentMath Problem Based Learning in Math, in which I diagnose myself as a an educational hoarder http://t.co/eAk3NWy #mathchat #edchat
Mon Jun 27 20:11:53 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85440233964965888 - #142

@ColinTGraham @mathhombre So we can do the finding at first and t then wean students onto independent discovery of things to investigate? #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 20:12:24 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85440360867831808 - #143

@delta_dc @mathhombre @ddmeyer I like the idea of learners doing their own #anyqs #wcydwt - why should teachers have all the fun? #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 20:12:29 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85440381671571456 - #144

@mathhombre #mathchat often think if we give the stu.s opp to be mathematicians that's more than 1/2 the battle. Then problems are a bonus.
Mon Jun 27 20:12:35 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85440410297704448 - #145

@Janshs Perhaps like so many things variety is the spice of life #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 20:12:53 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85440483236659201 - #146

@ColinTGraham @Janshs The livebinder I used during the workshop is: http://bit.ly/iDSKZZ I will write a blog post on it at some point... ; #mathchat ill ;-)
Mon Jun 27 20:13:14 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85440570524307456 - #147

@stefras @ColinTGraham I can see some problems where individual engagement is best, but others wher collaboration is best; teacher coach. #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 20:13:38 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85440671116308480 - #149

@mathhombre #mathchat the fundamental prob. can be 'how can we work together to learn these things that are req'd?' Involve st in what 'to learn' means
Mon Jun 27 20:13:39 +0000 2011 - tweet id 8544067779782 85440677797822464 - #150

@wilderlab Usually, I just need coffee & twitter. My students have twitter... coffee? MT @ColinTGraham: "How do I find compelling problems?" #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 20:13:45 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85440703894786048 - #151

@Janshs @ColinTGraham cheers #mathchat

Mon Jun 27 20:14:14 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85440823692505088 - #152

@EmergentMath I'll say this, we've never had more access to interesting math problem sources. Blogs, twitter, youtube, screencaptures, etc. #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 20:14:34 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85440908534874113 - #153

@ColinTGraham .@AshleyWalther @stefras Design, where Ss are helped in discovering the problems/questions to design, is probably better than find #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 20:14:38 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85440925840588800 - #154

Monday, 27th June 2011

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@stefras @republicofmath We are skirting the #mathchat problem/question aren't we? So what haven't we defined yet? usually the problem.
Mon Jun 27 20:15:04 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85441031906148352 - #155

@mathhombre #mathchat also feels like this comes back to making sense. Humans want to make sense, see patterns.
Mon Jun 27 20:15:16 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85441083336695811 - #156

@ColinTGraham @stefras Maybe we need to be guiding Ss towards knowing when and where to ask for help, if needed, as much as anything else... #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 20:15:45 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85441207551016960 - #157

@delta_dc #mathchat Learners, here's the problem: you must demonstrate proficienc in proficiency these areas. How will you do it?
Mon Jun 27 20:15:56 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85441250156756992 - #158

@mathhombre #mathchat I almost always like the generative question: what problems did mathematicians invent this stuff to solve?
Mon Jun 27 20:16:12 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85441318947528704 - #159

@stefras @EmergentMath Neat an educational hoarder. So a mathematical hoarder? Is that what compels? #mathchat #edchat
Mon Jun 27 20:16:13 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85441323695489024 - #160

@chrislehmann RT @emergentmath: Problem Based Learning in Math, in which I diagnose myself as an educational hoarder http://t.co/eAk3NWy #mathchat #edchat
Mon Jun 27 20:16:24 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85441367760838657 - #161

@mathhombre #mathchat eg. measurement, invented to solve comparison of objects that can't be put side by side.
Mon Jun 27 20:17:15 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85441583671025664 - #162

@stefras @mathhombre That is neat. What is "to learn"? #mathchat

Mon Jun 27 20:17:52 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85441739820773377 - #163

@ColinTGraham @delta_dc @stefras @republicofmath Disengagement could also be negative affect = me & soccer... ie disinterested vs uninterested #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 20:17:55 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85441750746923009 - #164

@mathhombre #mathchat Then give students the problem of comparing objects in different rooms, or one at a time.
Mon Jun 27 20:18:00 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85441773001904128 - #165

@ColinTGraham @Janshs I think that variety is a good word... we need to be bringing in things which are so obviously "not mathematics" but... #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 20:19:22 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85442116238589952 - #166

Monday, 27th June 2011

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@stefras @mathhombre Math is about patterns and gaps in patterns. So do we engage hhombre by thowing patterns in stories and problems at them? #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 20:19:56 +0000 2011 - tweet id 8544225780 85442257800544256 - #167

@mathhombre @stefras #mathchat I'm usually pretty happy with what students come up lly with, but do feel free to add to their list.
Mon Jun 27 20:20:15 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85442337601359873 - #168

@ColinTGraham @EmergentMath How many of those are engaging to us as teachers though, but end up 'dying a death' when used with students? #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 20:20:22 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85442367192182784 - #169

@stefras @ColinTGraham Or where to go to get information. Not just teacher as referent. That is also part of problem solving. #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 20:21:00 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85442526303092736 - #170

@mathhombre @stefras #mathchat Some of traditional content is the pattern. Eg. We've solved all these quad.s - what is the general rule?
Mon Jun 27 20:21:16 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85442594003369984 - #171

@ColinTGraham @stefras @republicofmath We also haven't discussed whether problems need to be "compelling" or to "grab student attention"! #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 20:21:21 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85442615755030528 - #172

@mathhombre @ColinTGraham @EmergentMath #mathchat sometimes when a problem bombs to me it means it should have been a demonstration.
Mon Jun 27 20:22:15 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85442841542787072 - #173

@ColinTGraham @delta_dc That sounds like my idea of 100 items to show/prove/demonstration/explain by the end of the year. Here you are... go! #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 20:22:16 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85442845330255872 - #174

@stefras @mathhombre Why did they invent this math? How? What d does it mean? What are the implications? Not just puzzles but research. #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 20:22:32 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85442914083287040 - #175

@ColinTGraham @mathhombre @EmergentMath So delivery of the initial scenario is important? Is that the 'attention grab'? #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 20:23:18 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85443104928313345 - #176

@delta_dc @ColinTGraham Why not? As long as there are no badges involved. Just aham kidding. #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 20:23:57 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85443268321624065 - #177

@ColinTGraham @stefras @mathhombre Ss have to choose anything in mathematics and research its history to present to class...? #mathchat
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Mon Jun 27 20:24:32 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85443415441027072 - #178

@stefras @ColinTGraham: @EmergentMath We are the choir. Aren't our jobs to recruit TGraham: our studnets to sing with us? Engage. Compel. Sustain. #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 20:25:12 +0000 2011 - tweet id 854435847 85443584777658368 - #179

@delta_dc @ColinTGraham @mathhombre @emergentmath There must be some connection to prior experience/success #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 20:25:31 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85443663106277376 - #180

@republicofmath #mathchat Hot here in Massachusetts. Q is ""How do I find a cold beer that grabs my attention?"
Mon Jun 27 20:25:39 +0000 2011 - tweet id 854436989 85443698938224640 - #181

@Janshs I am wondering why I first started to love maths - bearing in mind I never wad a top stu. Mainly I love making links #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 20:25:52 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85443751153106944 - #184

@ColinTGraham @delta_dc Many a true word spoken in jest! The nub of the issue we are discussing is motivation to go beyond the initial "Wow!" #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 20:26:07 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85443816290656256 - #185

@ColinTGraham @republicofmath I get my cold beverages before I start #mathchat, Gary!

Mon Jun 27 20:26:46 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85443978140459010 - #186

@mathhombre @ColinTGraham @EmergentMath #mathchat if class is worthwhile on a regular basis, stu.s will learn to attend to problems/work.
Mon Jun 27 20:27:01 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85444042460102656 - #187

@park_star @delta_dc I like doing stuff like this, but struggle with the scaffolding for Ss struggle who really have no idea where to start #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 20:27:08 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85444069211373568 - #188

@stefras @ColinTGraham Problems obviously don't need to be compelling or interesting, but easier to engage students if they are. #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 20:27:22 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85444128925679616 - #190

@stefras RT @mathhombre: @ColinTGraham @EmergentMath #mathchat sometimes when a problem bombs to me it means it should have been a demonstration.
Mon Jun 27 20:27:35 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85444 85444185628491777 - #191

@ColinTGraham @Janshs The initial interest in something may not be the thing which continues to perseverance with farther investigation, though... #mathchat e
Mon Jun 27 20:27:50 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85444244466171904 - #192

Monday, 27th June 2011

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@mathhombre #mathchat re: choir. My kids are in a school choir entirely mandated by director. Almost no care on their pa for the work or performance. part
Mon Jun 27 20:28:07 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85444318348845056 - #193

@stefras @ColinTGraham Also what compels interests some does not others. So never 100% compelling. #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 20:28:14 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85444346492624897 - #194

@delta_dc Exactly!! >> MT @Janshs: I am wondering why I first started to love maths Mainly I love making links #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 20:28:16 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85444354625372160 - #195

@mathhombre #mathchat re: choir. The band director let stu.s choose one piece, increased engagement across all pieces. Amazing contrast at concert.
Mon Jun 27 20:29:00 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85444539514503169 - #196

@ColinTGraham @park_star @delta_dc Sometimes encouraging the slow starters to go round and ask those who 'get it' to exp explain can help a lot... #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 20:29:11 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85444587509923840 - #197

@Janshs @ColinTGraham ah but maybe perseverance can be taught ... Oh dear cyclical argument #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 20:29:20 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85444623350247425 - #198

@stefras @ColinTGraham Yes I think so. Delivery and presentation is key. One can make almost anything interesting with the right sales pitch #mathchat ything
Mon Jun 27 20:29:33 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85444677427396609 - #200

@delta_dc @park_star So I demonstrate where I would start or offer, "Would you like to know how other learners might start?" #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 20:30:09 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85444830863437824 - #201

@stefras @ColinTGraham I've seen bios and object/concept histories which students do and at home or in groups that work very well. #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 20:30:38 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85444950778580994 - #202

@mathhombre @ColinTGraham @park_star @delta_dc #mathchat love when stu.s pose those questions for the class. Values their thinking vs values answers.
Mon Jun 27 20:31:09 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85445081175298048 - #203

@stefras @delta_dc @ColinTGraham @mathhombre @emergentmath build upon familiar and discover novel. #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 20:31:30 +0000 2011 - tweet id 854451671711088 - #204 85445167171108864

@ColinTGraham We also didn't touch, last time, on the idea of whether problems are immediately solvable (soluble? :-) ) or need to be pondered #mathchat )
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Mon Jun 27 20:31:51 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85445256337821696 - #205

@EmergentMath @mathhombre @ColinTGraham Agree. You can get by with rough problem if students have already bought in to your relationship. #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 20:32:00 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85445294594072576 - #206

@stefras @republicofmath Hmm. three times for emphasis. How compelling? #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 20:32:08 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85445327129280512 - #207

@stefras @Janshs So compeling problems should make links, both internally and externally. Discover & uncover overarching underlying patterns patterns#mathchat
Mon Jun 27 20:33:29 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85445670093340672 - #208

@ColinTGraham I visited my old school at the w/end. There was a "Maths hero of the the Year" poster voting on mathematicians from history... #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 20:33:48 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85445746563874816 - #209

@stefras @ColinTGraham To motivate beyond Wow! we need to challenge and intrigue so student asks "what's next?" That compels. #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 20:34:46 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85445990722715648 - #210

@wilderlab Instructor at daughter's preschool art camp asked, "Does your daughter like math?" #mathchat http://t.co/i853ANn
Mon Jun 27 20:35:05 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85446071861514241 - #211

@ColinTGraham Vygotsky and Cskszentmihlyi in one chat... bliss! RT @delta_dc: bliss! @stefras @mathhombre @emergentmath Very Vygotsky #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 20:35:35 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85446194750431232 - #212

@Janshs @stefras perfect! #mathchat

Mon Jun 27 20:35:45 +0000 2011 - tweet id 854462404264017 - #213 85446240426401792

@stefras @mathhombre SO compelling excludes mandating and contriving? #mathchat

Mon Jun 27 20:35:59 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85446297720586240 - #214

@delta_dc #mathchat One of my learners said 'math is finding the shortcut not taking the shortcut.'
Mon Jun 27 20:36:14 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85446359884369920 - #215

@ColinTGraham @stefras We also need to recognise that some "Wow!" moments will entertain some students rather than engage them... #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 20:36:48 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85446503841271808 - #216

@stefras @mathhombre Then the class discussion where the separate band pieces are hhombre played together and commonalities found. #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 20:37:22 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85446643796811776 - #218

Monday, 27th June 2011

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@ColinTGraham That implies knowing why it works... RT @delta_dc: #mathchat One of my learners said 'math is finding the shortcut not taking the shortcut.'
Mon Jun 27 20:37:35 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85446700457660417 - #219

@delta_dc @ColinTGraham @stefras Think ITIP anticipatory set. If that is most engaging part of your lesson then you are in trouble. #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 20:38:29 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85446925129760768 - #220

@Janshs RT @wilderlab: Instructor at daughter's preschool art camp asked, "Does your preschool daughter like math?" #mathchat http://t.co/i853ANn
Mon Jun 27 20:38:30 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85446929361801 85446929361801216 - #221

@stefras @mathhombre Compelling problems should value thinking over answers. Answers are meaningless anyway, right? Grocery store change!!! #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 20:38:59 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85447054276571136 - #222

@EmergentMath @stefras @mathhombre Yup: the process > the solution. #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 20:39:51 +0000 2011 - tweet id 8544727077395251 - #223 85447270773952513

@ColinTGraham How does age and/or cognitive development impact on attention attentiongrabbing vs. longer-term engagement in th scenario? #mathchat term this
Mon Jun 27 20:40:02 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85447315703336960 - #224

@rkiker RT @teachingwthsoul 30 mins to #mathchat "How do I find compelling problems that grab student attention?" #edchat #elemchat #ntchat #ISTE11
Mon Jun 27 20:40:07 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85447336330936320 - #225

@stefras @ColinTGraham I think to compel, problems should be pondered and worked out rather than immediately solvable. Flow needs warm up. #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 20:40:14 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85447368597712896 - #226

@delta_dc @ColinTGraham Or finding why it works. Didn't Euler say something about, "I have the answer but..." #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 20:40:19 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85447388256403456 - #227

@ColinTGraham @rkiker #mathchat Has been on for the last 70 minutes ; Only 20 mins ;-) left! #edchat #elemchat #ntchat #ISTE11
Mon Jun 27 20:40:55 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85447538752241664 - #228

@Janshs @stefras @mathhombre I was graded for elegant solutions when I was a maths stu. Never got alpha even tho answers were right #mathchat .
Mon Jun 27 20:40:56 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85447542841683968 - #229

@stefras @ColinTGraham Did the students do bios then debate and vote? #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 20:41:16 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85447625213612032 - #230

Monday, 27th June 2011

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@EmergentMath @stefras @ColinTGraham Have an immediate entry point for all students, all problems. Let momentum build from there. #mathchat ems.
Mon Jun 27 20:41:26 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85447670403055616 - #231

@ColinTGraham Or the margin is too small... RT @delta_dc: Or finding why it works. Didn't Euler say something about, "I have the answer but..." #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 20:41:40 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85447727768547328 - #233

@delta_dc Fits #mathchat MT @d_martin05: If edu focused on needs & interests of stus instead of regurgitating info we wouldnt need to bribe with marks
Mon Jun 27 20:42:02 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85447819523133440 - #234

@ColinTGraham @stefras The six maths teachers were each asked to nominate one person. Ss found out about them, shared info then voted... #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 20:42:24 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85447910912831488 - #235

@stefras @delta_dc But if you take the shortcut or teach it to others, you lose the meaning, the solving, the pattern, the math. #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 20:42:51 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85448024553308160 - #236

@ColinTGraham @EmergentMath @stefras And the entry point could be 3 or 4 different but related challenges... Ss choose which one to do first. #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 20:43:31 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85448193130770432 - #237

@stefras What does it mean "my tweet stream is being throttled" surely I have not tweeted that much today? #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 20:44:01 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85448320482410496 - #238

@delta_dc @stefras Exactly why we shouldn't be teaching shortcuts. But finding them can be a compelling problem. #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 20:44:39 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85448476430839808 - #239

@ColinTGraham @stefras Could be too many separate columns open... I usually cut down to 2 for #mathchat... #mathchat and @ Mentions... ;-)
Mon Jun 27 20:44:53 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85448537432797184 - #240

@ColinTGraham @stefras Could be too many separate columns open... I usually cut down to 2 for #mathchat... #mathchat and @ Mentions... ;-)
Mon Jun 27 20:44:53 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85448537432797184 - #241

@stefras @delta_dc What is ITIP? #mathchat

Mon Jun 27 20:44:57 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85448554914643969 - #242

@Janshs We are adding maths to year.7 and 8 enrichment programme next year #mathchat any ideas?
Mon Jun 27 20:45:45 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85448754064404480 - #243

Monday, 27th June 2011

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@ColinTGraham @stefras @delta_dc I think you can *show* a shortcut, though. Some can ask why it works, others just use it... c'est la vie! #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 20:46:37 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85448975162937345 - #244

@stefras @ColinTGraham Is age an issue? Or do we make it an issue? Is there a point where we can't explain upon the familiar >> understanding #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 20:47:05 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85449092389535744 - #245

@delta_dc @stefras A bad attempt to make a shortcut out of Madeline Hunter's educational research. Instructional Theory into Practice. #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 20:47:11 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85449117186260992 - #246

@stefras @rkiker #mathchat has 10 min left. not 30 min until. #edchat #elemchat#ntchat #ISTE11
Mon Jun 27 20:47:40 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85449239626395648 - #247

@ColinTGraham @Janshs I would totally go for cross curricular themes where the cross-curricular mathematics underlies but doesn't overpower. Look at NRICH site. #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 20:47:52 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85449288603279361 - #248

@stefras @Janshs @delta_dc #mathchat I always emphasize solving over solution and answer. Answers are necessary & must be right but solving is math
Mon Jun 27 20:49:32 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85449709094842368 - #249

@mathhombre @Janshs @stefras #mathchat now if that was feedback instead of a grade, we'd be getting somewhere!
Mon Jun 27 20:50:02 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85449832810020865 - #250

@ColinTGraham @stefras Younger children can have very short attention spans (= showing disinterest)... need more variation. Am I generalizing? #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 20:50:08 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85449858483363840 - #251

@mathhombre @stefras #mathchat I think where we contrive often we should be showing the value of solving a simpler problem. Then generalize.
Mon Jun 27 20:51:13 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85450129619947521 - #252

@stefras @ColinTGraham Aw. Kids should have nominated too. Imagine the research and learning lost. Lost compelling. #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 20:51:18 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85450150339821568 - #253

@ColinTGraham @Janshs Also make communication of findings a part of the programme. findings Awareness of audience can have a big impact on involvement. #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 20:51:26 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85450185391603713 - #254

@mathhombre @stefras #mathchat I'm okay with mandating if the requirement is problem solving, not if the requirement is an answer.
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Mon Jun 27 20:52:06 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85450352266194944 - #255

@Janshs @mathhombre: @Janshs @stefras #mathchat now if that was feedback instead of a grade, we'd be getting somewhere! yep!
Mon Jun 27 20:52:11 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85450376261799936 - #256

@Janshs @ColinTGraham thanks! #mathchat

Mon Jun 27 20:52:32 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85450464056983552 - #257

@ColinTGraham @stefras I think it was the kids idea to ask the te teachers to nominate... a 'tradition' for the year group, don't know the details! #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 20:52:33 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85450465315274753 - #258

@mathhombre #mathchat good problem solving doesn't always get an answer. I worked on my thesis problem for 3 years.
Mon Jun 27 20:52:34 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85450472600776704 - #259

@stefras I once did an appreciation contract in English once. Ss did what they wanted, in ppreciation order, and weight reflected what they did. #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 20:52:41 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85450498576105474 - #260

@Janshs @ColinTGraham thinking use audio video etc to communicate their results#mathchat
Mon Jun 27 20:53:26 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85450689672785920 - #262

@stefras @delta_dc I agree finding shortcuts is compelling, but then ignoring solving to gree find & using shortcut leads to loss of math. #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 20:53:44 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85450763475759104 - #263

@ColinTGraham @Janshs @stefras @mathhombre And only a maths teacher would grade with an 'alpha' instead of an 'A'... ; #mathchat ;-P
Mon Jun 27 20:53:56 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85450814247796737 - #264

@ColinTGraham OK, last 5 minutes everyone... any final thoughts on finding compelling problems that grab student attention? #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 20:54:56 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85451066539376640 - #265

@mathhombre #mathchat just looking at stu work where they identified a triangle as a thchat trap with B1=0 in terms of the area form. Great generalizing.
Mon Jun 27 20:56:01 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85451340398071808 - #266

@stefras @ColinTGraham I think we have to generalize. We can't possibly discuss extremes in Ss & our topic in 90 min #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 20:56:38 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85451495838990336 - #267

@mathhombre #mathchat raises the next problem of arguing why that works or at least making sense of it.
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Mon Jun 27 20:56:43 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85451516491735041 - #268

@stefras RT @mathhombre: #mathchat Where we contrive often should be showing the value of solving a simpler problem. Then generalize. > Analogy. roblem.
Mon Jun 27 20:57:38 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85451746008240128 - #269

@mathhombre @stefras @d @delta_dc #mathchat depends on if shortcut is found by google or by thinking

Mon Jun 27 20:57:40 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85451752220012544 - #270

@ColinTGraham Are we talking about differentiation on a student-by-student basis or studentthrowing out lots of different things hoping some stick? #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 20:58:22 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85451931471974400 - #271

@ColinTGraham Do we want lots of "Wow!" & some "I wonder why..." with the problems we bring to class? Should Ss be guid towards the bringing? #mathchat guided
Mon Jun 27 21:00:34 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85452484096700416 - #272

@stefras @ColinTGraham I think levels of the same problem can be given out or many problems of diffeent level. #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 21:01:03 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85452605358219264 - #273

@stefras @ColinTGraham I think we should lots of wonder why. And why not let students take over, bring problems, in many of the classes? #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 21:02:15 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85452908778356736 - #274

@ColinTGraham @mathhombre @stefras @delta_dc That is a big bugbear for me... One found method on YouTube but couldn't explain why it worked... #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 21:02:23 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85452942580264960 - #275

@stefras RT @ColinTGraham: Should Ss be guid towards the bringing? #mathchat> guided Yes, in some classes. Leads to ownership and involvement.
Mon Jun 27 21:02:55 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85453076156268544 - #276

@stefras @ColinTGraham What is a big bugbear for you? #mathchat

Mon Jun 27 21:03:36 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85453249246793729 - #278

@ColinTGraham That's it for another #mathchat folks! Thanks for your contributions to another lively discussion.
Mon Jun 27 21:03:45 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85453286609653760 - #279

@earlsamuelson RT @delta_dc @stefras Exactly why we shouldn't be teaching shortcuts. But finding them can be a compelling proble #mathchat problem.
Mon Jun 27 21:04:11 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85453396257153024 - #280

@ColinTGraham "shortcut is found by google" : / Grrr.... RT @stefras: @ColinTGraham :-/ What is a big bugbear for you? #mathchat
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Mon Jun 27 21:04:31 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85453477580517376 - #281

@stefras @ColinTGraham As usually, we accomplished a lot, but I feel we did not even touch the question. Mixed. Thanks Colin again. #mathchat he
Mon Jun 27 21:04:47 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85453544701956096 - #282

@suburbanlion RT @delta_dc: #mathchat One of my learners said 'math is finding the shortcut not taking the shortcut.'
Mon Jun 27 21:06:15 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85453912936685569 - #285

@ColinTGraham Next topic is "Holiday ma mathematics - show-and-tell popular activities" as tell Friday is Canada day, Monday is UK v US terrorist day! #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 21:06:53 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85454071703683072 - #286

@Janshs @ColinTGraham thanks to you and all #mathchat

Mon Jun 27 21:07:03 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85454115697737728 - #287

@stefras Did we identify and define the nuances, concepts & issues of the question? It seems we didn't? 90 min too short. Couple of yrs? #mathchat ?
Mon Jun 27 21:08:01 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85454359680389120 - #289

@stefras @ColinTGraham Do we bring examples of Holiday mathematics and discuss them? #mathchat
Mon Jun 27 21:09:04 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85454621711151105 - #290

@ColinTGraham I may be absent from or late to both, since I will be presenting in London and at #tmcymru... so go ahead without me if necessary! #mathchat ...
Mon Jun 27 21:09:36 +0000 2011 - tweet id 854547 85454756092456960 - #291

@ColinTGraham @stefras Yes, not just the immediate holidays, but discuss whether doing holiday-related lessons is useful, or maybe contrived...? #mathchat ons
Mon Jun 27 21:10:39 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85455020564287490 - #292

@stefras Have a great day everyone. Thanks for the compelling #mathchat (I pun myself! #mathchat. LOL!)
Mon Jun 27 21:10:39 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85455022141345793 - #293

@stefras @ColinTGraham Now that sounds goal orientated. Hey, math problems should goal-orientated. have reasons. Not vagueness (relation to contrived?). #mathchat easons.
Mon Jun 27 21:12:59 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85455610677706752 - #294

@ColinTGraham @stefras Well, for example, is working out the number of presents sent in "The Twelve Days of Christmas" contrived...? ; #mathchat ;-)
Mon Jun 27 21:14:07 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85455894091010048 - #296

@stefras Another #mathchat successfully completed. Engaging conversation. Archives: http://bit.ly/e0viRm. Mon Jun 27 21:14:33 +0000 2011 - tweet id 85456004514463744 - #297
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