My Cesmm2 Wm2011 5apr11

Improved Standard Method of Measurement for Civil Engineering Works
IMPROVED STANDARD METHOD OF MEASUREMENT FOR CIVIL ENGINEERING WORKS
IR. SOH KOK ENG SMHB SDN BHD 5th April 2011
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INTRODUCTION History of CESMM & Bills of Quantities

Basic differences between the 3 SMMs
ISSUES AND CHALLENGES IN USING SMM
JKR 203A Conditions of Contract

Issues in using SMM
FRAMEWORK OF MY-CESMM2
Two documents, MY-CESMM2, Guide & Std Library of BQ
Structure of MY-CESMM2 Three Divisions of MY-CESMM2 and Rules
IMPROVEMENTS IN MY-CESMM2 GUIDELINES WITH TECHNICAL NOTES STANDARD LIBRARY OF BQ Format of Standard Library
How to use the Standard Library of BQ How to build up the BQ
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INTRODUCTION
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HISTORY OF CESMM & BQ 859 Formal BQ introduced 1 933 ICE introduced standard procedure for BQ 1 953 SMM for Civil Engineering Quantities (ICE) 1 967 CIRIA report 34 1 968 SMM for Civil Engg Quantities (metric) (ICE) 1 976 1st Edition of CESMM-UK 1 985 2nd Edition of CESMM-UK 1 991 3rd Edition of CESMM-UK 1 SMM IN MALAYSIA ESMM3 UK - 1991 C ESMM(M) - 2003 C MM2 ISM 2001 S
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SOME BASIC DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE 3 SMMs MM2-ISM covers mainly building works and does not cover S civil engineering works ESMM(M) covers mainly civil engineering works and does not C cover building works ESMM(M) in tabulated format whereas SMM2-ISM in C descriptive format ESMM3-UK has separate items for supply and lay whereas C CESMM(M) has supply and lay under 1 item
.g. concreting works e ESMM3-UK supply (1), lay (2) C ESMM(M) supply and lay (1) C
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SOME DEFINITIONS OF BQ he Bill of Quantities (BQ) is the agreed statement of the T prices which will be paid for work done by the Contractor for the Client and it shares with the drawings, specifications and schedules the responsibility for defining what has been agreed shall be done he essential functions of the BQ is to limit the difficulty T the Client has in forecasting and defining to a Contractor what is required to do. n the other hand it limits the difficulty the Contractor has O in forecasting precisely what the work will cost. KEY WORD IS SPREADING THE RISKS
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ISSUES AND CHALLENGES IN USING SMM
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JKR 203A CONDITIONS OF CONTRACT
JKR 203A (Rev. 10/83)

Clause 26(b) requires the BQ to be prepared in accordance with the SMM for Building Works prepared by Institute of Surveyors, Malaysia
JKR 203A (2007)

Clause 26.4 in the new form allows SMM for preparation of BQ to be also based on CESMM by ICE or any Method of Measurement as set out in the BQ in addition to the SMM for Building Works by ISM.
Contractor says he uses CESMM3-UK to price it but the Engineer says he is using SM-ISM?
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SOME ISSUES IN USING SMM Although the Civil Engineering Standard Method of Measurement (CESMM) by ICE UK is often used for works of a civil engineering nature but there are many occasions particularly for, water supply, wastewater, etc, Consultants utilise their own Standard Method of Measurement.
Under 1 Item - Supply, lay, including excavation, valves, thrust blocks, etc Under 4 Items - Excavation (I), Supply & Lay including joints (2), Valve (3), Thrust blocks (4) Under 7 Items - Excavation (I), Supply (2), Lay (3), Cutting of Pipes (4), Joints (5), Valve (6), Thrust blocks (7)
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SOME ISSUES IN USING SMM Trench excavation

Payment based on this width?? Or this width??
If this width, what angle to use??
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SOME ISSUES IN USING SMM Piling works
SOME SAY
OTHERS 3m
Pay 10m for supply and 7 m for driving
7m
Pay 7m for supply and 7 m for driving Who can say exactly what depth of pile to be driven??
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FRAMEWORK OF MY-CESMM2 MY-CESMM2 Guide to MY-CESMM2 with Technical Notes Standard Library of BQ
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STRUCTURE OF MY-CESMM2
Process Approach
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THREE DIVISIONS OF MY-CESMM2 AND RULES
Each division only 8 items (max), WHY??? 3 digit code number, B358, B3510??? B359.1 Manganese, B359.2 - Iron
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IMPROVEMENTS IN MY-CESMM2
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Rule C2
- Item for general clearance shall be deemed to include the
removal of trees and stumps (unless otherwise stated in item descriptions), undergrowth, shrubs, roots and the likes. Rule M2 - Where measurement for trees are expressly required, it shall be measured under item for trees.
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Excavate to fill measured as 2 items but excavate to dispose measured for only cut Rule D5 - Excavation to form a profile expressly required shall be classed as cut.
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STRUCTURE
FILL
OGL
STRUCTURES
FILL
OGL
Rule M19 - All filling shall be measured nett. Excavation in fill shall only be measured where it is expressly required.
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Rule C1
- Items for painting shall be deemed to include preparation of
surfaces before painting including all necessary Temporary Staging. Rule C2 - Items for painting shall state and include the application of base primer/ sealer required before painting the subsequent coats.
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Malaysian Standard Method of Measurement for Civil Engineering Works (MY-CESMM2)

150m
1.5m 2.0m 2.5m 3.0m 3.5m 25m 50m 50m 25m
Feedback on MY-CESMM2
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GUIDELINES WITH TECHNICAL NOTES
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Each class arranged with a section numbering system which corresponds with the First and Second Division A210 Facilities for the Engineer/S.O./PDs representative, where, A - Class A: General Items 2 - Second item in the First Division 1 - First Item in the Second Division
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STANDARD LIBRARY OF BQ
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STANDARD LIBRARY Code numbers are important feature in CESMM but it is the most difficult to use and therefore not widely used Standard Library with code numbers Format in Excel as it is widely used Used as a checklist and copy items to BQ as required
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STANDARD LIBRARY How to use the Standard Library of BQ

One spreadsheet file contains multiple sheets Open up a standard spreadsheet file and format to Std BQ format Click on relevant class of work and scroll down until the desired item Copy the required item in the user spreadsheet file The item description as guide only and are with [ After the editing is done, the [ .] or ( ..) .] or ( ..) should be removed
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STANDARD LIBRARY How to use the Standard Library of BQ

Multiple items with the same code numbers if only [100mm square] direct shear box test is required, the code number shall be changed to D525 only and NOT D525.1
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STANDARD LIBRARY How to build up the BQ

Grade C35A concrete for base and wall
75mm thick Grade C20 lean concrete
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STANDARD LIBRARY How to build up the BQ
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Improved Standard Method of Measurement for Civil Engineering Works

IMPROVED STANDARD METHOD OF MEASUREMENT FOR CIVIL ENGINEERING WORKS

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Improved Standard Method of Measurement for Civil Engineering Works

INTRODUCTION History of CESMM & Bills of Quantities

ISSUES AND CHALLENGES IN USING SMM

JKR 203A Conditions of Contract

Structure of MY-CESMM2 Three Divisions of MY-CESMM2 and Rules

Improved Standard Method of Measurement for Civil Engineering Works

Water Malaysia 2011

Improved Standard Method of Measurement for Civil Engineering Works

Improved Standard Method of Measurement for Civil Engineering Works

Improved Standard Method of Measurement for Civil Engineering Works

Improved Standard Method of Measurement for Civil Engineering Works

ISSUES AND CHALLENGES IN USING SMM

Water Malaysia 2011

Improved Standard Method of Measurement for Civil Engineering Works

JKR 203A CONDITIONS OF CONTRACT

JKR 203A (Rev. 10/83)

JKR 203A (2007)

Improved Standard Method of Measurement for Civil Engineering Works

Water Malaysia 2011

Improved Standard Method of Measurement for Civil Engineering Works

SOME ISSUES IN USING SMM Trench excavation

If this width, what angle to use??

Water Malaysia 2011

Improved Standard Method of Measurement for Civil Engineering Works

SOME ISSUES IN USING SMM Piling works

Pay 10m for supply and 7 m for driving

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Improved Standard Method of Measurement for Civil Engineering Works

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Improved Standard Method of Measurement for Civil Engineering Works

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Improved Standard Method of Measurement for Civil Engineering Works

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Improved Standard Method of Measurement for Civil Engineering Works

THREE DIVISIONS OF MY-CESMM2 AND RULES

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Improved Standard Method of Measurement for Civil Engineering Works

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Improved Standard Method of Measurement for Civil Engineering Works

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Improved Standard Method of Measurement for Civil Engineering Works

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Improved Standard Method of Measurement for Civil Engineering Works

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Improved Standard Method of Measurement for Civil Engineering Works

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Improved Standard Method of Measurement for Civil Engineering Works

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Improved Standard Method of Measurement for Civil Engineering Works

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Improved Standard Method of Measurement for Civil Engineering Works

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Improved Standard Method of Measurement for Civil Engineering Works

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Improved Standard Method of Measurement for Civil Engineering Works

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Improved Standard Method of Measurement for Civil Engineering Works

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Improved Standard Method of Measurement for Civil Engineering Works

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