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globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com on behalf of Sofa Gallis Muriente globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] Re: #MEDIA TEAM CHARTER AND PROCESS Wednesday, October 12, 2011 1:08:19 PM
Katie, I absolutely agree. I've been following the endless stream of emails and am in awe at the amount of important work that's being done, shared, archived, posted, etc, etc, etc and the discussions that surround it. But it's a little much for me. I realized there's no content being created in Spanish and have decided to place myself as a liaison between Media and OWS in Spanish. We are organizing to subtitle content and create original content in Spanish as I told all of you earlier. I'm trying to fill a space I saw was empty and bring together a group of people to work towards those ends, but I can't really keep up with the group at large. It's too much at the same time. I trust the general intentions of the collective and the commitment with which many of you are tackling the great purposes that media can have. I'm saying my part when I find it necessary, archiving emails when I don't. I have nothing but respect and admiration for all of you, but maybe if everyone takes a step back, takes personal initiatives and just uses the group for support making those projects happen, we can all breathe a little easier and get to do what we're passionate about as well. A well-oiled production company/media monitoring center/PR machine is a daunting task to accomplish on the fly and while riding the huge wave that this movement has become. I have no answers and I know I'm not saying anything that most here haven't thought or acknowledged. Just sharing my opinion. Keep up the good fight! Sofa On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 11:38 AM, Katie Davison <katiedavison@rogueproduction.com> wrote:
hey all caught up in an urgent matter. sorry to not be at the meeting this morning, but thank you for all your thoughts on the charter. revising and will send out again. one thing to consider - are we becoming so bogged down in process that we are now mirroring the exact type of beauracratic structures we reject? meetings meetings meetings... i don't know about you, but i personally feel castrated creatively and like we, as a team, have not been able to effectively step up and produce the kind of movement building content we should be creating BECAUSE of process. on some level shouldn't we be empowering autonomy within and without the group? shouldn't we be focusing on movement building and messaging? shouldn't we be thinking long term, in addition to documenting which is largely reactive... (there is absolutely a place for that but I think media is such a powerful TOOL precisely because it can be so much more than that...) on some level, as a new movement, I believe the media team is charged with doing everything our power to ensure that this global movement continues to grow and grow and grow.
Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com
i don't feel like that has been possible working within the group. I feel like the only people who are truly pumping out content have been working outside the group - and that's a problem. Our working group should not hinder creativity and forward momentum, it should enable it. just a thought. see you all soon. Katie
globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com on behalf of Michael McSweeney globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] Re: #MEDIA TEAM CHARTER AND PROCESS Wednesday, October 12, 2011 1:16:39 PM
very much agreed. 2011/10/12 Sofa Gallis Muriente <rojosofia@gmail.com> Katie, I absolutely agree. I've been following the endless stream of emails and am in awe at the amount of important work that's being done, shared, archived, posted, etc, etc, etc and the discussions that surround it. But it's a little much for me. I realized there's no content being created in Spanish and have decided to place myself as a liaison between Media and OWS in Spanish. We are organizing to subtitle content and create original content in Spanish as I told all of you earlier. I'm trying to fill a space I saw was empty and bring together a group of people to work towards those ends, but I can't really keep up with the group at large. It's too much at the same time. I trust the general intentions of the collective and the commitment with which many of you are tackling the great purposes that media can have. I'm saying my part when I find it necessary, archiving emails when I don't. I have nothing but respect and admiration for all of you, but maybe if everyone takes a step back, takes personal initiatives and just uses the group for support making those projects happen, we can all breathe a little easier and get to do what we're passionate about as well. A well-oiled production company/media monitoring center/PR machine is a daunting task to accomplish on the fly and while riding the huge wave that this movement has become. I have no answers and I know I'm not saying anything that most here haven't thought or acknowledged. Just sharing my opinion. Keep up the good fight! Sofa On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 11:38 AM, Katie Davison <katiedavison@rogueproduction.com> wrote:
hey all caught up in an urgent matter. sorry to not be at the meeting this morning, but thank you for all your thoughts on the charter. revising and will send out again. one thing to consider - are we becoming so bogged down in process that we are now mirroring the exact type of beauracratic structures we reject? meetings meetings meetings... i don't know about you, but i personally feel castrated creatively and like we, as a team, have not been able to effectively step up and produce the kind of movement building content we should be creating BECAUSE of process. on some level shouldn't we be empowering autonomy within and without the group? shouldn't we be focusing on movement building and messaging? shouldn't we be thinking long
term, in addition to documenting which is largely reactive... (there is absolutely a place for that but I think media is such a powerful TOOL precisely because it can be so much more than that...) on some level, as a new movement, I believe the media team is charged with doing everything our power to ensure that this global movement continues to grow and grow and grow. i don't feel like that has been possible working within the group. I feel like the only people who are truly pumping out content have been working outside the group - and that's a problem. Our working group should not hinder creativity and forward momentum, it should enable it. just a thought. see you all soon. Katie
globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com on behalf of Daniel Levine globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] Re: #MEDIA TEAM CHARTER AND PROCESS Wednesday, October 12, 2011 1:39:40 PM
i agree. sparkles. let's get to work : ) On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 1:31 PM, Ryan Halas <emubrrgrr@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hey guys can someone remove my email address from the list (or tell me how, I've been trying and have not been able to). I have switched to getting the digest at another address. Thank you. -Ryan Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 13:16:35 -0400 Subject: Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] Re: #MEDIA TEAM CHARTER AND PROCESS From: mimcsweeney@gmail.com To: globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com very much agreed. 2011/10/12 Sofa Gallis Muriente <rojosofia@gmail.com> Katie, I absolutely agree. I've been following the endless stream of emails and am in awe at the amount of important work that's being done, shared, archived, posted, etc, etc, etc and the discussions that surround it. But it's a little much for me. I realized there's no content being created in Spanish and have decided to place myself as a liaison between Media and OWS in Spanish. We are organizing to subtitle content and create original content in Spanish as I told all of you earlier. I'm trying to fill a space I saw was empty and bring together a group of people to work towards those ends, but I can't really keep up with the group at large. It's too much at the same time. I trust the general intentions of the collective and the commitment with which many of you are tackling the great purposes that media can have. I'm saying my part when I find it necessary, archiving emails when I don't. I have nothing but respect and admiration for all of you, but maybe if everyone takes a step back, takes personal initiatives and just uses the group for support making those projects happen, we can all breathe a little easier and get to do what we're passionate about as well. A well-oiled production company/media monitoring center/PR machine is a daunting task to accomplish on the fly and while riding the huge wave that this movement has become. I have no answers and I know I'm not saying anything that most here haven't thought or acknowledged. Just sharing my opinion. Keep up the good fight! Sofa On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 11:38 AM, Katie Davison <katiedavison@rogueproduction.com> wrote: hey all caught up in an urgent matter. sorry to not be at the meeting this morning, but thank you for all your
thoughts on the charter. revising and will send out again. one thing to consider - are we becoming so bogged down in process that we are now mirroring the exact type of beauracratic structures we reject? meetings meetings meetings... i don't know about you, but i personally feel castrated creatively and like we, as a team, have not been able to effectively step up and produce the kind of movement building content we should be creating BECAUSE of process. on some level shouldn't we be empowering autonomy within and without the group? shouldn't we be focusing on movement building and messaging? shouldn't we be thinking long term, in addition to documenting which is largely reactive... (there is absolutely a place for that but I think media is such a powerful TOOL precisely because it can be so much more than that...) on some level, as a new movement, I believe the media team is charged with doing everything our power to ensure that this global movement continues to grow and grow and grow. i don't feel like that has been possible working within the group. I feel like the only people who are truly pumping out content have been working outside the group - and that's a problem. Our working group should not hinder creativity and forward momentum, it should enable it. just a thought. see you all soon. Katie
globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com on behalf of owsmedia@gmail.com globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] Re: #MEDIA TEAM CHARTER AND PROCESS Wednesday, October 12, 2011 1:59:03 PM
Ah-men. Solidarity of the whole for the autonomy of the individual. From: "Katie Davison" <katiedavison@rogueproduction.com> Sender: globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 11:38:48 -0400 To: <globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com>; <globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com> ReplyTo: globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Subject: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] Re: #MEDIA TEAM CHARTER AND PROCESS
hey all caught up in an urgent matter. sorry to not be at the meeting this morning, but thank you for all your thoughts on the charter. revising and will send out again. one thing to consider - are we becoming so bogged down in process that we are now mirroring the exact type of beauracratic structures we reject? meetings meetings meetings... i don't know about you, but i personally feel castrated creatively and like we, as a team, have not been able to effectively step up and produce the kind of movement building content we should be creating BECAUSE of process. on some level shouldn't we be empowering autonomy within and without the group? shouldn't we be focusing on movement building and messaging? shouldn't we be thinking long term, in addition to documenting which is largely reactive... (there is absolutely a place for that but I think media is such a powerful TOOL precisely because it can be so much more than that...) on some level, as a new movement, I believe the media team is charged with doing everything our power to ensure that this global movement continues to grow and grow and grow. i don't feel like that has been possible working within the group. I feel like the only people who are truly pumping out content have been working outside the group - and that's a problem. Our working group should not hinder creativity and forward momentum, it should enable it. just a thought. see you all soon. Katie
globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com on behalf of owsmedia@gmail.com globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] Re: #MEDIA TEAM CHARTER AND PROCESS Wednesday, October 12, 2011 3:21:28 PM
Ah-men. Solidarity of the whole for the autonomy of the individual. From: "Katie Davison" <katiedavison@rogueproduction.com> Sender: globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 11:38:48 -0400 To: <globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com>; <globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com> ReplyTo: globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Subject: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] Re: #MEDIA TEAM CHARTER AND PROCESS
globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com on behalf of Steven Macchia globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] Re: #MEDIA TEAM CHARTER AND PROCESS Wednesday, October 12, 2011 5:35:51 PM
I absolutely agree with you Katie, and I think that this is something that really needs to be talked about and attention needs to be brought to in our meetings. Time is really of the essence with what we are doing and the whole worlds eyes are on us. There is time for things like putting together documentaries and things of that nature later. The footage that we have will not be going anywhere. I feel that the main concentration of our media team should be to provide truthful information and a message to people of why they should be joining the movement. The main stream media is trying to bury us right now and it really is our job to counter that. On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 3:21 PM, <owsmedia@gmail.com> wrote: Ah-men. Solidarity of the whole for the autonomy of the individual. From: "Katie Davison" <katiedavison@rogueproduction.com> Sender: globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 11:38:48 -0400 To: <globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com>; <globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com> ReplyTo: globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Subject: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] Re: #MEDIA TEAM CHARTER AND PROCESS
globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com on behalf of Victoria Sobel globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] Re: #MEDIA TEAM CHARTER AND PROCESS Wednesday, October 12, 2011 5:50:39 PM
Agreed! Many of you were present for the media meetings today where line by line we covered a starting budget for getting the livestream subcommittee ready for oct 15. I think we are all close to moving forward. see you all soon On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 5:35 PM, Steven Macchia <owsmediateam@gmail.com> wrote: I absolutely agree with you Katie, and I think that this is something that really needs to be talked about and attention needs to be brought to in our meetings. Time is really of the essence with what we are doing and the whole worlds eyes are on us. There is time for things like putting together documentaries and things of that nature later. The footage that we have will not be going anywhere. I feel that the main concentration of our media team should be to provide truthful information and a message to people of why they should be joining the movement. The main stream media is trying to bury us right now and it really is our job to counter that. On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 3:21 PM, <owsmedia@gmail.com> wrote: Ah-men. Solidarity of the whole for the autonomy of the individual. From: "Katie Davison" <katiedavison@rogueproduction.com> Sender: globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 11:38:48 -0400 To: <globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com>; <globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com> ReplyTo: globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Subject: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] Re: #MEDIA TEAM CHARTER AND PROCESS
hey all caught up in an urgent matter. sorry to not be at the meeting this morning, but thank you for all your thoughts on the charter. revising and will send out again. one thing to consider - are we becoming so bogged down in process that we are now mirroring the exact type of beauracratic structures we reject? meetings meetings meetings... i don't know about you, but i personally feel castrated creatively and like we, as a team, have not been able to effectively step up and produce the kind of movement building content we should be creating BECAUSE of process. on some level shouldn't we be empowering autonomy within and without the group? shouldn't we be focusing on movement building and messaging? shouldn't we be thinking long term, in addition to documenting which is largely reactive... (there is absolutely a place for that but I think media is such a powerful TOOL precisely because it can be so much more than that...) on some level, as a new movement, I believe the media team is charged with doing everything our power to ensure that this global movement continues to grow and grow and grow. i don't feel like that has been possible working within the group. I feel like the only people who are truly pumping out content have been working outside the group - and that's a problem.
Our working group should not hinder creativity and forward momentum, it should enable it. just a thought. see you all soon. Katie
globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com on behalf of Ms. Nikita globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] Re: #MEDIA TEAM CHARTER AND PROCESS Wednesday, October 12, 2011 12:13:36 PM
Sparkle your thoughtful comments On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 11:38 AM, Katie Davison <katiedavison@rogueproduction.com> wrote:
globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com on behalf of Ryan Halas globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com RE: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] Re: #MEDIA TEAM CHARTER AND PROCESS Wednesday, October 12, 2011 1:31:37 PM
Hey guys can someone remove my email address from the list (or tell me how, I've been trying and have not been able to). I have switched to getting the digest at another address. Thank you. -Ryan Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 13:16:35 -0400 Subject: Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] Re: #MEDIA TEAM CHARTER AND PROCESS From: mimcsweeney@gmail.com To: globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com very much agreed. 2011/10/12 Sofa Gallis Muriente <rojosofia@gmail.com> Katie, I absolutely agree. I've been following the endless stream of emails and am in awe at the amount of important work that's being done, shared, archived, posted, etc, etc, etc and the discussions that surround it. But it's a little much for me. I realized there's no content being created in Spanish and have decided to place myself as a liaison between Media and OWS in Spanish. We are organizing to subtitle content and create original content in Spanish as I told all of you earlier. I'm trying to fill a space I saw was empty and bring together a group of people to work towards those ends, but I can't really keep up with the group at large. It's too much at the same time. I trust the general intentions of the collective and the commitment with which many of you are tackling the great purposes that media can have. I'm saying my part when I find it necessary, archiving emails when I don't. I have nothing but respect and admiration for all of you, but maybe if everyone takes a step back, takes personal initiatives and just uses the group for support making those projects happen, we can all breathe a little easier and get to do what we're passionate about as well. A well-oiled production company/media monitoring center/PR machine is a daunting task to accomplish on the fly and while riding the huge wave that this movement has become. I have no answers and I know I'm not saying anything that most here haven't thought or acknowledged. Just sharing my opinion. Keep up the good fight! Sofa On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 11:38 AM, Katie Davison <katiedavison@rogueproduction.com> wrote: hey all caught up in an urgent matter. sorry to not be at the meeting this morning, but thank you for all your thoughts on the charter. revising and will send out again. one thing to consider - are we becoming so bogged down in process that
we are now mirroring the exact type of beauracratic structures we reject? meetings meetings meetings... i don't know about you, but i personally feel castrated creatively and like we, as a team, have not been able to effectively step up and produce the kind of movement building content we should be creating BECAUSE of process. on some level shouldn't we be empowering autonomy within and without the group? shouldn't we be focusing on movement building and messaging? shouldn't we be thinking long term, in addition to documenting which is largely reactive... (there is absolutely a place for that but I think media is such a powerful TOOL precisely because it can be so much more than that...) on some level, as a new movement, I believe the media team is charged with doing everything our power to ensure that this global movement continues to grow and grow and grow. i don't feel like that has been possible working within the group. I feel like the only people who are truly pumping out content have been working outside the group - and that's a problem. Our working group should not hinder creativity and forward momentum, it should enable it. just a thought. see you all soon. Katie
globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com on behalf of lio spiegler globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] Re: #VOTE #LIVESTREAM Partnership between Manhattan Neighborhood Network and Media Group Wednesday, October 12, 2011 8:53:29 PM
Yes. On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 8:33 PM, Philip Henken <henkenp125@gmail.com> wrote: > Yea > > On Oct 12, 8:06 pm, ddotto <toddodo...@gmail.com> wrote: >> #OccupyYea >> >> On Oct 12, 2011 5:09 PM, "Jaime Fallon" <jaim...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Yea >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Oct 12, 2011, at 3:42 PM, Vlad T <v...@glassbeadcollective.org> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > yes >> >> > On Oct 12, 20...
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globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com on behalf of Victoria Sobel globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] Re: [september17discuss] 6pm TONIGHT: Emergency Press Conference at Occupy Wall Street Thursday, October 13, 2011 3:58:38 PM
:)))))))))) On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 3:50 PM, beka economopoulos <beka@notanalternative.net> wrote: It passed GA, has been sent around. b On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 3:37 PM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: What's with the good neighbor policy? That's supposed to be in development, not launched... Justin Wedes Educator & Activist Brooklyn, NY ~ will you #occupy? ~ On Oct 13, 2011, at 3:16 PM, beka economopoulos <beka@notanalternative.net> wrote: ---------- Forwarded message ---------Hi all, There is an emergency press conference at Occupy Wall Street at 6pm tonight being called by the Working Families Party, the Strong Economy for All Coalition, United NY, and New York Communities for Change. Mayor Bloomberg is planning to clear the park at 7am tomorrow morning for cleaning. Any protesters who return will have to follow new rules, which include a ban on tarps, tents, and laying down. (See the Post article copied below for more details.) FYI, at 3pm the occupiers and Community Board 1 are releasing a joint good neighbor policy. At 4pm, BP Stringer and CB1 will be calling on the Mayor to allow the occupiers to stay. Lots of outreach is being done to elected officials and community and labor leaders to come out in support of the occupation. Please spread the word about the mass mobilization at 6am tomorrow morning, right before the park is scheduled to be cleared. Thanks.
Wall St. protesters will not be allowed to bring sleeping bags, tents back into park
By DAVID SEIFMAN and BOB FREDERICKS
Last Updated: 1:13 PM, October 13, 2011 Posted: 12:09 PM, October 13, 2011
The partys over! The citys top cop said today that the Occupy Wall Street protesters who clear out of Zuccotti Park tomorrow so their filthy makeshift campsite can get a much-needed cleaning can come back when the job is finished - but they cant take their tents, coolers and other gear with them. People will have to remove all their belongings and leave the park, Police Commissioner Ray Kelly said After its cleaned, theyll be able to come back. But they wont be able to bring back the gear, the sleeping bags, that sort of thing will not be able to be brought back into the park. The order would put an end to the campout at the park that began on Sept. 17 -- but some of the protesters defiantly vowed not to leave the park as the city has ordered. The powers that be dont like whats happening, and it doesnt surprise me, one protester said this morning. Theyd do anything to get rid of us. But you dont put yourself through all this if youre not serious. Another young man shouted Were not leaving this park! as cops walked by passing out fliers warning them to clear out. Others said they would clean up the park themselves, and a few were already walking around with brooms and picking up garbage. The demonstrators were also expected to head back to Brooklyn this afternoon to gather outside Kings County Supreme Court to protest the weekly auctions of homes that have been foreclosed on.
Wall Street bankers, organizers claimed, knowingly sold mortgages to people who couldnt afford to pay them back. Last time the protesters tried to approach Brooklyn by swarming onto the Brooklyn Bridge cops responded by making more than 700 arrests. Mayor Bloomberg went to the base of the Occupy Wall Street protesters last night to inform them that the parks owners need to clean up tomorrow after the weeks-long rally. But he added they could return once the park is tidied up, officials said. The last three weeks have created unsanitary conditions and considerable wear and tear on the park, a statement from Deputy Mayor Cas Holloway said. The situation is not in the best interests of the protesters, residents or the city. Also yesterday, PETA announced that members dressed as a chicken, cow and pig would show up at the protest friday to protest factory farming.
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globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com on behalf of Vlad T globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com september17@googlegroups.com; pr-working-group@googlegroups.com Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] Re: [september17discuss] Re: IMP: Bloomberg Statement on Moving in to "Clean" the Park Thursday, October 13, 2011 12:19:26 AM
we need to get this to lawyers asap. i think the rules are governed by the agreemenet brookfield signed with the city when they got the air rights.... On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 11:56 PM, beka economopoulos <beka@notanalternative.net> wrote: Hey there, spoke with NY Times reporter, they already filed the story but he'll try to get a quote in before it goes to print (and get it up online). Here's what I said, short and sweet, it's all he could take: "As the Occupy Wall Street movement has grown in Liberty Square we have been vigorously working to ensure safe and sanitary conditions. We recognize the importance of being good neighbors. Just days ago, the mayor said we could be there indefinitely, but the caveat that we must abide by the rules that Brookfield established after the occupation began that forbid lying down, smoking, having sleeping bags and generators amount to a political maneuver to end the occupation." We can can continue to massage a proper statement, I think we'd want to add something like "we are committed to continue this occupation and inspiring others around the world". Please note, this is our opening statement. Not done here -- there's a political strategy, a media strategy, a sanitation team strategy, and actions strategy to be considered. Let's continue to discuss. Yes, sanitation is indeed an issue, and we must prioritize it. We have a massive clean-up already planned for Friday. Also, political allies have been working to get Porta Potties and dumpsters nearby that we can use, but Bloomberg has blocked these efforts. If our sanitation team and the city sanitation team can work side by side, great. But if police are involved in any way, forget it. And this giant loophole: "abide by Brookfield's rules" is a deal-breaker. -b On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 11:27 PM, beka economopoulos <beka@notanalternative.net> wrote: NEED LINK TO BROOKFIELD "RULES / FLYER" ASAP. PLEASE SEND.
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 11:24 PM, Tarak Kauff <takauff@gmail.com> wrote: Justin, I agree with you and your idea is creative and beautiful as well as strategically sound. Go for it.
Solidarity, Tarak On Oct 12, 2011, at 11:05 PM, beka economopoulos wrote: That's great Justin, we're working on a statement to that effect, like the framing. Other point of information: the local community board and political allies have been trying to push the mayor for permits for Porto Potties and dumpsters nearby. If he truly cared about sanitation in the park, he would allow this. On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 11:03 PM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: Tarak, This is a very thoughtful analysis, but I believe that our stance on this should be one of insisting on doing our own cleanup, consistent with our philosophy of self-policing and self-government. The NYPD/Bloomberg are trying to sway public opinion against us and create a pretext to enforce Brookfield's rules at the park, which are tantamount to evicting us as we are in violation of all of them (written after our arrival). This is confirmed in statements by Deputy Mayor for Operations Cas Holloway:
Added Holloway: The cleaning will be done in stages and the protesters will be able to return to the areas that have been cleaned, provided they abide by the rules that Brookfield has established for the park.
(from http://blogs.wsj.com/metropolis/2011/10/12/occupy-wall-street-getsa-visit-from-mayor-bloomberg/?KEYWORDS=occupy+wall+street ) So I propose that we do not allow the city to coordinate any cleaning of the park, unless they want to work with us and within our existing sanitation protocols. -justin On Oct 12, 2011, at 10:54 PM, Tarak Kauff wrote: IMHO this is wrong - Bloomberg dictating terms to OWS. He and whoever else he wants should offer to meet in open and respectful negotiations with a designated committee from OWS as equals and talk about his concerns for clean up, if OWD is amenable to that. Then the committee can bring whatever offer Bloomberg and company make back to the assembly and get back to Bloomberg with a response. Let him know that Liberty Park belongs to the people. Let him know that neither he nor the police brutality can dictate terms to the people. Private property my ass. It was stolen originally from the Indians. As many of you know October2011 recently accepted an offer by
the NPS in DC to extend their permit (which had expired) for an additional 4 months. We did not ask for an extension of the permit (the police offered it) and we were prepared to stay without one. (The purpose of the original permit was only to get our foot in the door effectively). We made it very clear to the police that we intended to stay with or without a permit. The negotiators from Freedom Plaza gave no concessions, made no deals, also made it clear that non-violent resistance actions would continue in DC. But by virtue of the popularity of the OWS movements around the country and by virtue of what has been achieved already by those in Liberty PLaza the police in DC realized that any attempt to remove us would look very bad, consequently we were in a position of power. We had already set up tents, been sleeping at the park and serving food, all beyond the original restrictions of the permit. So when the police offered and extension with no strings attached, the assembly decided to take it. What happens from here on out depends on the numbers we have. If the numbers drop in Freedom Plaza the police can find an excuse to move us out, but for now we are relatively secure. There is a difference between police in DC and in NYC. In my experience the NYC police and the city administration are much more brutal and arrogant with regard to protests. That said, I think Bloomberg may also realize how bad he will look if he has the police try to forcibly remove people from Liberty Plaza. So my suggestion is to negotiate and give up nothing. Make everything public, insist on complete transparency. OWS may be able to get the city to actually help clean up the park without giving up anything. TK On Oct 12, 2011, at 9:57 PM, JeremyToG wrote: Possibly cruel question to ask: "Why can't you clean with us around anyway?" Alternatively, help with the cleaning to be part of it without having to leave the area. Or encircle any areas to be cleaned so that they don't get blocked off. On Oct 12, 9:52 pm, jemcgl...@verizon.net wrote: That's bizarre. Any idea when they plan to show up?
On 10/12/11,beka economopoulos<beka@notanalternative.net>wrote:I find this to be of great concern: The cleaning will be done in stages and the protesters will be able to return to the areas that have been cleaned, provided they abide by the rules that Brookfield has established for the park.
It was precisely this process thatended the M-15 encampmentsin Spain this past Spring. What does "the rules that Brookfield has established for the park" mean?
Need to have strategy conversation about this, prepare media response (or choose not to), determine game plan for this as a possible scenario, most likely in the wee hours of the night.
Beka
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STATEMENT OF DEPUTY MAYOR FOR OPERATIONS CAS HOLLOWAYEarlier this evening, Mayor Bloomberg went to Zuccotti Park to talkwith the protesters himself and inform them that on Friday morningBrookfield Properties will clean the park.Brookfield Properties owns Zuccotti Park, and built it as an amenityfor the general public. As the protest has continued, Brookfield hasexpressed concern about its inability to clean the park and maintainit in a condition fit for public use. Brookfield conveyed theseconcerns in a letter they sent to the City.The Mayor is a strong believer in the First Amendment and believesthat the protesters have a right to continue to protest. At the sametime, the last three weeks have created unsanitary conditions andconsiderable wear and tear on the park. This situation is not in thebest interests of the protesters, residents or the City.The cleaning will be done in stages and the protesters will be ableto return to the areas that have been cleaned, provided they abide bythe rules that Brookfield has established for the park.
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globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com on behalf of kari giron globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] Re: Can OWS be turned into a Democratic Party movement? Wednesday, October 12, 2011 10:52:34 PM
Devin - when and where is your group meeting? On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 6:04 PM, Devin Balkind <devin@beex.org> wrote: There's no doubt that the mainstream media is working feverishly to co-opt the movement and make us containable. I think our secret weapon is solutions. The tea party focused on criticism, not solutions. We aren't falling for that trap. We're using the movement's momentum to create solutions that people want to use such as a resource-based (instead of debt-based) currency system, documentation that helps people use free/libre/opensource software, and designs for hardware that are bringing manufacturing back to our country. The more these solutions are used, the less our movement can be co-opted. We're working on these solutions and more. It'd be great if someone in media was documenting this work. On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 10:29 AM, Andrea <andrea.ciannavei@gmail.com> wrote: From an actions perspective, that means getting tactical, and mobile, > activating the rest of the city, executing higher-risk actions, civil > disobedience and arrests. I agree and I want to focus on this. I'm particularly interested in messaging. I'm a writer - I have literally just returned from a 3 month 10 country research trip on empowerment issues in 3rd world nations with a focus on human trafficking and gender violence. This movement has been something I have been dreaming about for over a decade. OWS needs to speak up in response to the Democratic Party's attempt to co-opt what's going on here and soon. If there is anyone who can steer me in the right direction, I'd appreciate it. For starters - I am starting to spread the word in the Manhattan neighborhood that I live in. Other than that I need to be put to work. I want to see us do something. An opportunity like this does not come often. Best, a.
On Oct 12, 4:26 am, beka economopoulos <b...@notanalternative.net> wrote: > Here's the thing: our messaging, our strategy, and our tactics must change > based on the external landscape. When we become embraced by the Democratic > Party and its allies, we must go further than what makes them comfortable. > That's if we want to win more than concessions and easy reforms (*that > currently exist within the realm of possibility)*, and achieve game-changing > substantive/structural reforms (*that currently live in the realm of > impossibility*, that we didn't imagine we ever could see in our lifetimes). > > We should aim for nothing less -- why aim for closing up shop soon when we > have no idea what we're capable of? > > Phase 1 = vanguard moves in, initiates occupation, largely dismissed, but > staying power piques curiosity, and police misconduct/violence draws > attention and wins sympathy. > > Phase 2 = vanguards in other cities recognize potential, initiate > occupations. At the same time, initial occupation gathers steam, grows, > large membership orgs endorse and give legitimacy that wasn't present > before, now the mainstream media start to change tune. *Focus of coverage > is human interest story of life in the park; and what do they want?* > > Phase 3 = mainstream media interest explodes, NGOs, labor, community, and > establishment orgs engage supporters, connect existing campaigns to #occupy > frame, amplify visibility and suggestion of social movement. Democratic > leadership embrace movement, as do party-related and electorally focused > orgs. * Media coverage attributes power to movement, queries whether it's a > Tea Party for the left, whether it will gain electoral power and legislative > victories. * > > Phase 4 = ? > > We currently find ourselves in Phase 3. Senior members of the White House > administration, and the President himself, have expressed support for OWS. > Democracy for America, a Howard Dean initiated group just sent an email > blast to more than a million members tonight selling yard > signs<http://www.democracyforamerica.com/activities/635? akid=1400.1574445.C...>that > say "We Are the 99%" with co-branded urls: OccupyWallSt.org and > DemocracyforAmerica.org/occupy. OWS is embraced by the establishment as a > means to amplify existing agendae. > > Bloomberg gives tacit "permission" for our occupation, effectively rendering > it non-threatening and normalizing it. *Result is rise in media coverage of > occupation as nuisance to neighbors. * > > This is a natural and necessary phase. So now what? > > We're in this for the long haul. There are no "solutions" that can be > presented quickly to make us go away. And so there will be moments where
our > presence is no longer an uncomfortable and unknown variable, but rather is > normalized and integrated. It's in those moments that we have to push the > envelop, pry open the space of possibility even farther. We go as far as we > can to destabalize, but maintain momentum. And when that's the new "normal" > then we go farther. That's how change happens, how we shift the terrain and > the terms of the game. > > From an actions perspective, that means getting tactical, and mobile, > activating the rest of the city, executing higher-risk actions, civil > disobedience and arrests. > > From a media perspective, we have to get ahead of the game. We no longer > need to legitimize. Or articulate the problem. Both are clearly > established. So, given this new moment how can we use media strategically? > > We must draw a line, disavow the Democrats explicitly, make our messaging a > little uncomfortable. Yes, perhaps, split the support, lest we not be > co-opted. This will be painful, internally, as it won't always achieve > comfortable consensus. But to hold this space and expand the realm of > possibility, we have to go farther than others are ready to go. It's how > this started and we can't be too shy to be bold. > > On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 11:43 PM, William Dobbs <duch...@mindspring.com>wrote: > > > > > > > > > ** ** ** ** > > > Savants idiots and otherwisesay the Democratic Party operates a large > > and well-known junkyard for social movements. **** > > > Id like to know more about the system that is in place to prevent it. ** > > ** > > > ** ** > > > ** ** > > -----------------------------> > > *From:* pr-working-group@googlegroups.com [mailto: > > pr-working-group@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Ed Needham > > *Sent:* Tuesday, October 11, 2011 11:35 PM > > *To:* pr-working-group@googlegroups.com > > *Subject:* Re: Article: Can OWS be turned into a Democratic Party > > movement?**** >
> > ** ** > > > we will see a great deal of this sort of thing come along. every group who > > believes they can profit from endorsing or promoting ows or parts of its > > agenda, will. > > > especially politicians. and i think we have a pretty good system in place > > to prevent any iota of co-opting anywhere. > > > that said, it is a measured re-enforcement of our capacity to effect change > > immediately. when politicians start picking up your verbage and tone, it's a > > good sign.**** > > > On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 9:34 PM, Tyler Combelic <tyler.combe...@gmail.com> > > wrote:**** > > > GA solidarity > > > Sent from my iPhone**** > > > On Oct 11, 2011, at 9:16 PM, Patrick Bruner <pmubru...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Solidarity with the Novemeber 6thhttp://www.tarsandsaction.org/march > > > on the White House would be a good way to spin on message and against > > > the Pres and Obama. > > > > Is this something that can be handled in house or should calls of > > > solidarity originate from GA? or other working groups? Before this > > > solidarity has mostly been handled through direct action in solidarity > > > with the principles of GA, which seems untenable given the rapid > > > expansion of the movement. > > > > On Oct 11, 8:19 pm, Kira Annika <kira.ann...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >> This is terrible. At least they point out why it's completely > > hypocritical for dems to take us under their wing. Blech. Turn left, guys. > > Let's talk about this when we talk about messaging. > > > >> Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Oct 11, 2011, at 7:27 PM, Mark Bray <markbra...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >>> Need to prioritize talking about this before it's too late. Since we > > >>> are thought of has having no direction, these kinds of superficial > > >>> attempts by dems could sap our strength. > >> >>>http://politics.salon.com/2011/10/11/can_ows_be_turned_into_a_democra. > > .. >
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When I first wrote in defense of the Occupy Wall Street protests a couple of weeks ago, I suggested that much of the scorn then being expressed by many progressives was grounded in the belief that the only valid form of political activism is support for Democratic Party candidates. Since then, even the most establishment Democrats have fundamentally changed how they talk about the protests from condescension and hostility to respect and even support and The York Times today makes clear one significant factor accounting for this change: Leading Democratic figures, including party fund-raisers and a top ally of President Obama, are embracing the spread of the anti-Wall Street protests in a clear sign that members of the Democratic establishment see the movement as a way to align disenchanted Americans with their party. The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, the partys House fund-raising arm, is circulating a petition seeking 100,000 party supporters to declare that I stand with the Occupy Wall Street protests. The Center for American Progress, a liberal organization run by John D. Podesta, who helped lead Mr. Obamas 2008 transition, credits the protests with tapping into pent-up anger over a political system that it says rewards the rich over the working class a populist theme being emphasized by the White House and the party. The center has encouraged and sought to help coordinate protests in different cities. Judd Legum, a spokesman for the center, said that its direct contacts with the protests have been limited, but that weve definitely been publicizing it and supporting it. He said Democrats are already looking for ways to mobilize protesters in get-out-the-vote drives for 2012. Politico similarly noted today that the White House wants to make it clear that President Barack Obama is on the same side as the Occupy Wall Street protesters. Can that scheme work? Can the Occupy Wall Street protests be transformed into a get-out-the-vote organ of Obama 2012 and the Democratic Party? To determine if this is likely, lets review a few relevant facts. In March, 2008, The Los Angeles Times published an article with the headline Democrats are darlings of Wall St, which reported that both Obama and Clinton are benefiting handsomely from Wall Street donations, easily surpassing Republican John McCain in campaign contributions. In June, 2008, Reuters published an article entitled Wall Street puts its money behind Obama; it detailed that Obama
had > > >>> almost twice as much in contributions from the securities and > > >>> investment industry and that Democrats garnered 57 percent of the > > >>> contributions from that industry. When the financial collapse > > >>> exploded, then-candidate Obama became an outspoken supporter of the > > >>> Wall Street bailout. > > > >>> After Obamas election, the Democratic Party controlled the White > > >>> House, the Senate and the House for the first two years, and the White > > >>> House and Senate for the ten months after that. During this time, > > >>> unemployment and home foreclosures were painfully high, while Wall > > >>> Street and corporate profits exploded, along with income inequality. > > >>> In July, 2009, The New York Times dubbed JPMorgan Chase CEO Jamie > > >>> Dimon Obamas favorite > > ... > > read more
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globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com on behalf of John Kersten globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com pr-working-group@googlegroups.com Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] Re: Can OWS be turned into a Democratic Party movement? Wednesday, October 12, 2011 5:02:48 AM
It's an interesting point you bring up. Keep in mind that the Democratic Party depends on Wall Street for campaign contributions, just like the Republicans. They will, I think, be cautious to appropriate our message. On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 4:26 AM, beka economopoulos <beka@notanalternative.net> wrote: Here's the thing: our messaging, our strategy, and our tactics must change based on the external landscape. When we become embraced by the Democratic Party and its allies, we must go further than what makes them comfortable. That's if we want to win more than concessions and easy reforms ( that currently exist within the realm of possibility), and achieve game-changing substantive/structural reforms ( that currently live in the realm of impossibility, that we didn't imagine we ever could see in our lifetimes). We should aim for nothing less -- why aim for closing up shop soon when we have no idea what we're capable of? Phase 1 = vanguard moves in, initiates occupation, largely dismissed, but staying power piques curiosity, and police misconduct/violence draws attention and wins sympathy. Phase 2 = vanguards in other cities recognize potential, initiate occupations. At the same time, initial occupation gathers steam, grows, large membership orgs endorse and give legitimacy that wasn't present before, now the mainstream media start to change tune. Focus of coverage is human interest story of life in the park; and what do they want? Phase 3 = mainstream media interest explodes, NGOs, labor, community, and establishment orgs engage supporters, connect existing campaigns to #occupy frame, amplify visibility and suggestion of social movement. Democratic leadership embrace movement, as do party-related and electorally focused orgs. Media coverage attributes power to movement, queries whether it's a Tea Party for the left, whether it will gain electoral power and legislative victories. Phase 4 = ? We currently find ourselves in Phase 3. Senior members of the White House administration, and the President himself, have expressed support for OWS. Democracy for America, a Howard Dean initiated group just sent an email blast to more than a million members tonight selling yard signs that say "We Are the 99%" with co-branded urls: OccupyWallSt.org and DemocracyforAmerica.org/occupy. OWS is embraced by the establishment as a means to amplify existing agendae. Bloomberg gives tacit "permission" for our occupation, effectively rendering it nonthreatening and normalizing it. Result is rise in media coverage of occupation as
nuisance to neighbors.
This is a natural and necessary phase. So now what? We're in this for the long haul. There are no "solutions" that can be presented quickly to make us go away. And so there will be moments where our presence is no longer an uncomfortable and unknown variable, but rather is normalized and integrated. It's in those moments that we have to push the envelop, pry open the space of possibility even farther. We go as far as we can to destabalize, but maintain momentum. And when that's the new "normal" then we go farther. That's how change happens, how we shift the terrain and the terms of the game. From an actions perspective, that means getting tactical, and mobile, activating the rest of the city, executing higher-risk actions, civil disobedience and arrests. From a media perspective, we have to get ahead of the game. We no longer need to legitimize. Or articulate the problem. Both are clearly established. So, given this new moment how can we use media strategically? We must draw a line, disavow the Democrats explicitly, make our messaging a little uncomfortable. Yes, perhaps, split the support, lest we not be co-opted. This will be painful, internally, as it won't always achieve comfortable consensus. But to hold this space and expand the realm of possibility, we have to go farther than others are ready to go. It's how this started and we can't be too shy to be bold. On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 11:43 PM, William Dobbs <duchamp@mindspring.com> wrote: Savants idiots and otherwisesay the Democratic Party operates a large and wellknown junkyard for social movements. Id like to know more about the system that is in place to prevent it.
From: pr-working-group@googlegroups.com [mailto:pr-working-group@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ed Needham Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 11:35 PM To: pr-working-group@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Article: Can OWS be turned into a Democratic Party movement?
we will see a great deal of this sort of thing come along. every group who believes they can profit from endorsing or promoting ows or parts of its agenda, will. especially politicians. and i think we have a pretty good system in place to prevent any iota of co-opting anywhere. that said, it is a measured re-enforcement of our capacity to effect change immediately.
when politicians start picking up your verbage and tone, it's a good sign. On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 9:34 PM, Tyler Combelic <tyler.combelic@gmail.com> wrote: GA solidarity Sent from my iPhone On Oct 11, 2011, at 9:16 PM, Patrick Bruner <pmubruner@gmail.com> wrote: > Solidarity with the Novemeber 6th http://www.tarsandsaction.org/ march > on the White House would be a good way to spin on message and against > the Pres and Obama. > > Is this something that can be handled in house or should calls of > solidarity originate from GA? or other working groups? Before this > solidarity has mostly been handled through direct action in solidarity > with the principles of GA, which seems untenable given the rapid > expansion of the movement. > > On Oct 11, 8:19 pm, Kira Annika <kira.ann...@gmail.com> wrote: >> This is terrible. At least they point out why it's completely hypocritical for dems to take us under their wing. Blech. Turn left, guys. Let's talk about this when we talk about messaging. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Oct 11, 2011, at 7:27 PM, Mark Bray <markbra...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> Need to prioritize talking about this before it's too late. Since we >>> are thought of has having no direction, these kinds of superficial >>> attempts by dems could sap our strength. >> >>> http://politics.salon.com/2011/10/11/can_ows_be_turned_into_a_democra... >> >>> When I first wrote in defense of the Occupy Wall Street protests a >>> couple of weeks ago, I suggested that much of the scorn then being >>> expressed by many progressives was grounded in the belief that the >>> only valid form of political activism is support for Democratic Party >>> candidates. Since then, even the most establishment Democrats have >>> fundamentally changed how they talk about the protests from >>> condescension and hostility to respect and even support and The New >>> York Times today makes clear one significant factor accounting for >>> this change:
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Leading Democratic figures, including party fund-raisers and a top ally of President Obama, are embracing the spread of the anti-Wall Street protests in a clear sign that members of the Democratic establishment see the movement as a way to align disenchanted Americans with their party. The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, the partys powerful House fund-raising arm, is circulating a petition seeking 100,000 party supporters to declare that I stand with the Occupy Wall Street protests. The Center for American Progress, a liberal organization run by John D. Podesta, who helped lead Mr. Obamas 2008 transition, credits the protests with tapping into pent-up anger over a political system that it says rewards the rich over the working class a populist theme now being emphasized by the White House and the party. The center has encouraged and sought to help coordinate protests in different cities. Judd Legum, a spokesman for the center, said that its direct contacts with the protests have been limited, but that weve definitely been publicizing it and supporting it. He said Democrats are already looking for ways to mobilize protesters in get-out-the-vote drives for 2012. Politico similarly noted today that the White House wants to make it clear that President Barack Obama is on the same side as the Occupy Wall Street protesters. Can that scheme work? Can the Occupy Wall Street protests be transformed into a get-out-the-vote organ of Obama 2012 and the Democratic Party? To determine if this is likely, lets review a few relevant facts. In March, 2008, The Los Angeles Times published an article with the headline Democrats are darlings of Wall St, which reported that both Obama and Clinton are benefiting handsomely from Wall Street donations, easily surpassing Republican John McCain in campaign contributions. In June, 2008, Reuters published an article entitled Wall Street puts its money behind Obama; it detailed that Obama had almost twice as much in contributions from the securities and investment industry and that Democrats garnered 57 percent of the contributions from that industry. When the financial collapse exploded, then-candidate Obama became an outspoken supporter of the Wall Street bailout. After Obamas election, the Democratic Party controlled the White House, the Senate and the House for the first two years, and the White House and Senate for the ten months after that. During this time,
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unemployment and home foreclosures were painfully high, while Wall Street and corporate profits exploded, along with income inequality. In July, 2009, The New York Times dubbed JPMorgan Chase CEO Jamie Dimon Obamas favorite banker because of his close relationship with, and heavy influence on, leading Democrats, including the President. In February, 2010, President Obama defended Dimons $17 million bonus and the $9 million bonus to Goldman CEO Lloyd Blankfein both of whose firms received substantial taxpayer bailouts as fair and reasonable. The key Senate fundraiser for the Party is Chuck Schumer, whom the New York Times profiled in an article headlined Champion of Wall Street Reaps the Benefits as someone who repeatedly supported measures now blamed for contributing to the financial crisis and who took other steps to protect industry players from government oversight and tougher rules and thus became a magnet for campaign donations from wealthy industry executives, including Jamie Dimon, now the chief executive of JPMorgan Chase; John J. Mack, the chief executive at Morgan Stanley; and Charles O. Prince III, the former chief executive of Citigroup. That servitude to Wall Street is what consolidated Schumers power in the Party: As a result, [Schumer] has collected over his career more in campaign contributions from the securities and investment industry than any of his peers in Congress, with the exception of Senator John F. Kerry of Massachusetts . . . In the last two-year election cycle, he helped raise more than $120 million for the Democrats Senate campaign committee, drawing nearly four times as much money from Wall Street as the National Republican Senatorial Committee. Donors often mention his pro-business message and record of addressing their concerns. Upon being inaugurated, Obama empowered as his top economic adviser Larry Summers, who had collected roughly $5.2 million in compensation from hedge fund D.E. Shaw over the [prior] year and was paid more than $2.7 million in speaking fees by several troubled Wall Street firms and other organizations, including a fee of $135,000 for a single day of speaking at Goldman, Sachs, and who also led the orgy of Wall Street deregulation in the 1990s. Obama installed as Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner, whom the New York Times explained had forged unusually close relationships with executives of Wall Streets giant financial institutions. When Obama chose him, Geithner had just participated in a secret meeting along with Bush Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson and Goldman Sachs CEO Lloyd Blankfein, at which it was decided that a bankrupt AIG would be saved and then with taxpayer money would pay Goldman every penny owed to it. Summers, in February, 2009, defended gaudy AIG bonuses as compelled by the rule of law even after the administration forced auto union workers to take sizable cuts in their contractually guaranteed pay.
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As his Chief of Staff at Treasury, Geithner chose Mark Patterson, the former top lobbyist for Goldman, Sachs. Goldman replaced Patterson with Michael Paese, who at the time was the top staffer to Democratic Rep. Barney Frank in his capacity as Chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, which regulates Wall Street. Obamas choice to oversee Americas futures markets was Gary Gensler, a former Goldman Sachs executive who, during the 1990s, was known for his shockingly lax enforcement of regulations governing derivative products. Obama reappointed Bushs Fed Chair Ben Bernanke, and named CEO of GE Jeffery Immelt to head his panel of jobs advisers, along with several other job-cutting corporate executives. When Rahm Emanuel who had made $16 million in three years as an investment banker after leaving the Clinton White House left as Obamas Chief of Staff to run for Mayor of Chicago, Obama chose as his replacement Bill Daley, who at the time was serving as JP Morgans Midwest Chairman and a director of Boeing. Shortly after Obamas star director of Office of Management and Budget, Peter Orszag, left the administration, he became a top executive at Citigroup. The DCCC, recently headed by Emanuel and now feigning support for the protests, is characterized by little other than a strategy of supporting corporatist, Wall-Street-revering Blue Dog Democrats as a way of consolidating power. One of the most significant aspects of the Obama administration is the lack of criminal prosecutions for leading Wall Street executives for the 2008 financial crisis. Obama recently opined even while there are supposedly ongoing DOJ investigations that Wall Streets corruption was, in general, not illegal. The New York Times recently reported that top Obama officials are heavily pressuring New York State Attorney General Eric Schneiderman to join a woefully inadequate settlement agreement that would end all investigations and litigations against Wall Street firms for pervasive mortgage fraud. Given these facts, does the Center for American Progress really believe that the protest movement named OccupyWallStreet was begun and that people are being arrested and pepper-sprayed and ready to endure harsh winters and marching to Jamie Dimons house in order to devote themselves to ensuring that these people remain in power? Does CAP and the DCCC really believe that most of the protesters are motivated or can be motivated to turn themselves into a get-outthe-vote machine for Obamas re-election and the empowerment of Chuck Schumer and the Democratic Party? Obviously, if when the GOP nominates some crony capitalist like Rick Perry or eager Wall Street servant like Mitt Romney, few if any of the protesters will or should support them, nor can it be denied that the GOP in its current incarnation is steadfastly devoted to a pro-Wall-Street, corporatist agenda. But it also seems to me quite delusional to think that youre
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globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com on behalf of Daniel Levine globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] Re: Film Screenings using audio transmitted over radio - possible answer Wednesday, October 12, 2011 12:15:47 AM
I'm part of the radio working group and you'll often see me at photojournalism (Media #FILM) too. you can also contact linnea at lpalmerpaton@gmail.com if you want. It sounds like this is going to be more of an internet thing at least to begin with but it would be cool if you could come to one of the radio meetings at some point to bring it up. We're going to be pretty busy tomorrow with the WBAI stuff so don't worry about it. You can ask linnea to add you to the google group for radio so you'll know when we're meeting again. We're still just trying to get everybody together and we have a big project with BAI so it's going to be a minute before we're podcasting or doing live audiostreaming. But I will mention it tomorrow. love. d On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 12:02 AM, Pam Tietze <pam.tietze@gmail.com> wrote: Unfortunately I can't be there at 2p tomorrow because of work, but if anyone else can...please do! Are you part of the group actually? I wasn't sure. If not, do you have a contact for someone? On Oct 11, 5:49 pm, Daniel Levine <danieltrump...@gmail.com> wrote: > sounds good. Do you think you could stop by Radio WG at 2pm tomorrow to > bring up this idea? We meet under the red cube. > > > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 5:26 PM, Pam Tietze <pam.tie...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I think it can work for both. There can be several 'channels' for each > > need, and people can listen to the one that's appropriate for what > > they're interested in at the moment. Personally, I've had difficulty > > communicating with both of those groups (I'm also new to the way > > things work), so if you know how to reach out, please advise. Thanks > > Daniel! > > > Also, we've used the word 'radio' alot, but just to clarify I think > > it's starting to focus in on internet 'radio' solely so people can use > > their phones. Although if Radio WG wanted to take the reins on good > > old fashioned radio, that would be great. I imagine that if you're > > live streaming a GA meeting with a mic, it would be pretty easy to do > > it both ways at once. I'm focusing on getting the internet side going > > first though! > > > On Oct 11, 5:00 pm, Daniel Levine <danieltrump...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Aside from the technical aspects, are you guys envisioning broadcast
> > radio > > > as a media outlet or simply a device to serve as an electronic version of > > > people's mic for those of in the square? > > > > The first case would definitely fall under the umbrella of our Radio WG > > and > > > we need and appreciate help. The second might be something for the lovely > > > folks at internet. > > > > On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 10:07 AM, John Greaves <j...@3knightsmedia.com > > >wrote: > > > > > There might be an issue with broadcasting radio which they might try to > > use > > > > legal tactics to shut down but radio would be a good idea. > > > > > One solution which I have been working on but have only gotten a > > prototype > > > > to work is to use icecast streaming server. There is a nice mac program > > > > based on this called Nicecasthttp://www.rogueamoeba.com/**nicecast/< > >http://www.rogueamoeba.com/nicecast/> > > > > > this lets you start an internet radio station using itunes or just the > > mic > > > > on your computer. It's a free trial that lets you broadcast for an hour > > at a > > > > time, but it's only like $60 for the full license. > > > > > This is initially set up to broadcast over the internet, but if you can > > > > have a wireless router running hooked up to a computer using nicecast > > then > > > > anyone who joins that wireless network will be able to listen to the > > audio. > > > > > a few problems: there is a 7 second delay on the audio so it might not > > be > > > > good to sync movies. I'm not sure how much capacity this will have, but > > the > > > > prototype works. > > > > > people join the wireless router's network then go to a local url and > > hit > > > > play from an html5 browser. > > > > > Another possible answer for streaming movies is using the same network > > > > router, but using vlc to stream the movie over the network so a bunch > > of > > > > people can view it on their phone. THis would work, but is best for > > > > prerecorded stuff because there is a 7 second delay on the video too. > > > > > THis can be really powerful if you guys want to spend the energy to > > make it
> > > > work. > > > > it can also create a local web site that people can access to see > > what's > > > > happening and what is needed within the local area network range. If we > > can > > > > get it working it can be replicated pretty easily and cheaply. > > > > > I am not available to be there until next week but I can skype or email > > > > with people on the details of the procedure to get these solutions > > going. > > > > > Radio might just be the answer, but I thought I would add this > > additional > > > > info > > > > > John > > > > > On 10/11/11 9:37 AM, Pam Tietze wrote: > > > > >> If we can use an FM transmitter that can cover the length of the > > > >> square, we can 'occupy' a station and transmit audio (yes the GA > > > >> meetings and whatever else people want) live that people can listen to > > > >> with their phones. I think. Ha > > > > >> That airtime can be scheduled like a calendar so people can transmit > > > >> different info at all times. It gets around the amplification issue. > > > > >> It seems pretty simple to me in theory. It's like what they use on > > > >> walking tours, etc. > > > > >> On Oct 11, 8:37 am, Daniel Levine<danieltrump...@gmail.**com< > > danieltrump...@gmail.com>> > > > >> wrote: > > > > >>> Pam. Not sure exactly what you had in mind, but we have a radio > > working > > > >>> group. WBAI is giving us a half hour slot on their station starting > > next > > > >>> week (mon-fri 6:30-7). We're also looking into podcasting if you can > > help > > > >>> call me. 347-853-2612 > > > > >>> On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 1:35 AM, Pam Tietze<pam.tie...@gmail.com> > > > >>> wrote: > > > > >>>> Hi there, > > > >>>> It's completely possible that this has already been discussed, but I > > > >>>> was wondering why we don't transmit audio on a radio channel so > > people > > > >>>> can tune in and/or listen with their phones. I was thinking about > > this > > > >>>> because I wanted to screen films at the square and was trying to
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think of different ways for people to hear the audio aside from subtitles. There could also be a website where people can 'tune in' and listen with their phones. What do you think?? Thanks, Pam 254-681-8061
globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com on behalf of kari giron globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] Re: Flyer / Newspaper / Sticker Bombing Thursday, October 13, 2011 10:07:58 AM
These are areas I'm well practiced in. Maybe instead of advocating and organizing a graffiti effort, those of us who want to do it just start doing it and as people start noticing more will get involved. Having stickers printed is a good idea in any case - for skateboards and backpacks and things like that. Nighttime's always best. I LOVE the idea of lots of arrows leading to the occupation - tough to pull off though
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 9:36 AM, Daniel Levine <danieltrumpets@gmail.com> wrote: been reading more on the legality of chalk. (ha!)... it became an issue in 2007 as police were stepping up their anti-vandal activities or whatever and told the parents of a 6 year old girl in park slope they faced a 300 dollar fine if they didn't clean up their daughter's chalk drawings on their stoop. It may remain somewhat of a grey area but I have a friend who sticker bombs, was recently arrested (this was just 2 months ago) and while in the holding cell, met a fellow street artist who was in their for drawing faces on the street in chalk. And we know a girl was arrested for chalking in zucotti the other day (without being read her rights, I'm told) So just be careful please. Love On Oct 13, 3:27 am, Steven Macchia <owsmediat...@gmail.com> wrote: > Yes, it is definitely something that i feel strongly about, but we would > need to let participants know that there is a risk of arrest and/or fines if > they are caught doing it.. Maybe thosewho wish to participate but dont want > to risk arrest can use chalk, newspapers, or tape fliers around town? Just > throwing out ideas? > > > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 1:26 AM, ddotto <toddodo...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I heartily encourage and would love to participate in all of these > > activities - despite the fact that, excepting chalk drawings, they are * > > illegal*! > > > Please be aware that stickers, too, are illegal, just as much as graffiti > > with ink, acid, scratch and paint. Please advise all participants of this > > fun and risky fact. >
> > On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 12:15 AM, Bryant Bailey <bailey.brya...@gmail.com>wrote: > > >> -agree with Sophia > > >> t2011/10/12 Sofa Gallis Muriente <rojoso...@gmail.com> > > >>> Stickers are cheap, people like putting them places and they can be made > >>> quick! 1-800-Postcards is in downtown Manhattan, they're fast, cheap and > >>> could *maybe* even be down with our cause and give us a discount? That > >>> last bit might be wishful thinking but regardless, we need to get in > >>> people's faces. > > >>> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 11:49 PM, lio spiegler <b4i...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >>>> they aren't mutually exclusive :-) > > >>>> I was just surprised that people outside of Century 21 or around the > >>>> 9/11 memorial were oblivious to the OWS that was happening around the > >>>> corner and some well placed chalk lines with arrows pointing the way > >>>> could be a fun way to let them know. > > >>>> together! > > >>>> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 11:12 PM, Steven Macchia < > >>>> owsmediat...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>> > I understand sidewalk chalk, however it is my opinion that even if > >>>> fliers or > >>>> > pieces of paper or stickers do cost a little bit of money, it would be > >>>> more > >>>> > effective and also catch the eye of a lot more people. Also with > >>>> fliers > >>>> > taped to walls, it's easily taken down so that there is no problem and > >>>> > people are able to take the pieces of paper and either show other > >>>> people or > >>>> > keep it for themselves to remind others. > > >>>> > On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 10:37 PM, Christian Smith-Socaris > >>>> > <c.smith.soca...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >>>> >> Passing to Outreach > > >>>> >> On 10/12/2011 10:29 PM, lio spiegler wrote: > > >>>> >>> another easy way to spread the word is using colorful sidewalk > >>>> chalk. > >>>> >>> as long as it's dry outside for a few days, it can be seen by > >>>> >>> thousands. the jury is out on the legality of the matter but a chalk > >>>> >>> artist who got arrested is now suing the city for $1 million. > >>>> probably > >>>> >>> settle for $50K... 8-)
> >>>> >>> point is, it's cheap and creates less clutter than flyers and less > >>>> >>> waste than stickers and the production cost is $0. > >>>> >>> please pass over to outreach if you are on that group. > > >>>> >>> together! > > >>>> >>> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 9:35 PM, Bryant Bailey< > >>>> bailey.brya...@gmail.com> > >>>> >>> wrote: > > >>>> >>>> Totally vote for sticker bombing, when i lived in belfast a new > >>>> night > >>>> >>>> club > >>>> >>>> used this as their only form of advertising and when the club > >>>> opened > >>>> >>>> they > >>>> >>>> had to turn people away after an hour. Would love to be a part of > >>>> this > >>>> >>>> mission if it happens. > > >>>> >>>> Bryant > > >>>> >>>> On 12 October 2011 20:34, Sofa Gallis Muriente< > >>>> rojoso...@gmail.com> > >>>> >>>> wrote: > > >>>> >>>>> I'm not directly a part of outreach but I've been filling my bag > >>>> with > >>>> >>>>> flyers and newspapers everytime I'm in the square and handing them > >>>> out > >>>> >>>>> or > >>>> >>>>> dropping them off anywhere I go. I've heard there's a subway team > >>>> and > >>>> >>>>> that > >>>> >>>>> outreach has divided itself amongst different subway lines, I also > >>>> know > >>>> >>>>> there's a commitment from a lot of people at OWS en espaol to > >>>> hand out > >>>> >>>>> newspapers in Spanish and other materials in Latino neighborhoods > >>>> >>>>> around the > >>>> >>>>> city. What you're asking for is being done to a certain extent but > >>>> >>>>> there > >>>> >>>>> could definitely be more done. I can't remember now if outreach > >>>> has a > >>>> >>>>> table > >>>> >>>>> but there should be a place at the square where you can ask for
a > >>>> stack > >>>> >>>>> of > >>>> >>>>> whatever flyers/stickers/posters/handouts have been recently made > >>>> so > >>>> >>>>> you can > >>>> >>>>> spread them in your neighborhood... I'm a fan of stickers, but > >>>> yeah, > >>>> >>>>> please > >>>> >>>>> heed Daniel's advice. > >>>> >>>>> S > > >>>> >>>>> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 7:19 PM, Daniel > >>>> >>>>> Levine<danieltrump...@gmail.com> > >>>> >>>>> wrote: > > >>>> >>>>>> The message I just sent about the grafiti task force did not go > >>>> >>>>>> through > >>>> >>>>>> to OWS outreach because I'm not a member of that googlegroup. > >>>> Please > >>>> >>>>>> be so > >>>> >>>>>> kind as to forward the message to them. > >>>> >>>>>> solidarity!! > >>>> >>>>>> d > > >>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 7:17 PM, Daniel > >>>> >>>>>> Levine<danieltrump...@gmail.com> > >>>> >>>>>> wrote: > > >>>> >>>>>>> GREAT Idea. However, just a word of caution from a ny punk. > >>>> There is > >>>> >>>>>>> an > >>>> >>>>>>> NYPD "grafiti task force" and sticker bombing is illegal. They > >>>> will > >>>> >>>>>>> arrest > >>>> >>>>>>> you if they catch you stickering. So think of it as an act of > >>>> civil > >>>> >>>>>>> disobedience and BE CAREFUL. > > >>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 6:54 PM, Christian Smith-Socaris > >>>> >>>>>>> <c.smith.soca...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >>>> >>>>>>>> I'm forwarding this to Outreach: there is a subway team > >>>> currently > >>>> >>>>>>>> operating and people are being recruited to spread the word and > >>>> >>>>>>>> organize > >>>> >>>>>>>> across the city. In addition we're looking at organizing tools > >>>> now.
> > >>>> direction > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> occupy > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> (myself > >>>> > >>>> someone > >>>> > >>>> in > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> They > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> space > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > > >>>> > >>>> flyers > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>
>>>>>>>> Please direct this energy in the outreach committee's so >>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>> can stay coordinate and not duplicate efforts. >>>>>>>> Christian >>>>>>>> On 10/12/2011 05:36 PM, Rene Renata Bergan wrote: >>>>>>>>> love this idea.... >>>>>>>>> ************************* >>>>>>>>> Rene Renata Bergan >>>>>>>>> 805.698.3069 >>>>>>>>>www.renegadepix.net >>>>>>>>> On Oct 12, 2011, at 5:31 PM, Steven Macchia wrote: >>>>>>>>>> It's come to my attention that word and interest of wall >>>>>>>>>> street >>>>>>>>>> has not been circulating as much as some people included) >>>>>>>>>> would like in other parts of New York. I met with >>>>>>>>>> yesterday >>>>>>>>>> (Who's looking to join the media team) who specializes >>>>>>>>>> alternative >>>>>>>>>> advertising, as well as taking the time to talk with some people >>>>>>>>>> involved in the Arab Spring and the Spanish Revolution. were >>>>>>>>>> all >>>>>>>>>> surprised that we have been operating in such a limited and >>>>>>>>>> making people come to us, or watch online, if they are interested >>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>> learning about the revolution. >>>>>>>>>> Some of the suggested ideas in this discussion were: >>>>>>>>>> -Getting teams on the subways handing out papers and to >>>>>>>>>> inform >>>>>>>>>> people of the revolution >>>>>>>>>> -Getting teams of 15-20+ to go in to different areas of
the > >>>> city > >>>> >>>>>>>>>> every > >>>> >>>>>>>>>> day with hundreds of flyers or stickers about Occupy and > >>>> taping / > >>>> >>>>>>>>>> sticking them to walls so that everywhere you go you see > >>>> something > >>>> >>>>>>>>>> about the revolution > >>>> >>>>>>>>>> -"Sticker Bombing" was a suggested idea, so that you cover > >>>> whole > >>>> >>>>>>>>>> walls / blocks / avenues with stickers about the revolution. > > >>>> >>>>>>>>>> The idea being that you don't need a computer or a camera or > >>>> the > >>>> >>>>>>>>>> internet to help spread the word of the revolution, but you > >>>> can > >>>> >>>>>>>>>> peak > >>>> >>>>>>>>>> someones interest because if every time the get on to or get > >>>> off > >>>> >>>>>>>>>> of > >>>> >>>>>>>>>> the subway, or everytime they leave they apartment building > >>>> they > >>>> >>>>>>>>>> see > >>>> >>>>>>>>>> 100 flyers and stickers of the revolution, they are going to > >>>> want > >>>> >>>>>>>>>> to > >>>> >>>>>>>>>> see what it is about and want to check it out. > > >>>> >>>>>>>>>> (Also, who would I speak to about a proposal to move in to > >>>> our > >>>> >>>>>>>>>> second > >>>> >>>>>>>>>> camp, because it's getting to the point where so many people > >>>> come > >>>> >>>>>>>>>> to > >>>> >>>>>>>>>> our first and only camp that it's counter-productive because > >>>> there > >>>> >>>>>>>>>> is > >>>> >>>>>>>>>> no room to move, sleep, work etc.) > > >>>> -> >>>> Our job is to find love within us, each and every day
> > > -> > *revolution - transformation - love*
globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com on behalf of Vlad T globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] Re: Please retweet and post - foreclosure court auction blockade successful Thursday, October 13, 2011 7:02:09 PM
congrats! 2011/10/13 Sofa Gallis Muriente <rojosofia@gmail.com> AMAZING! looking forward to the video! On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 6:05 PM, Michael Premo <m.premo@gmail.com> wrote: Oops. Typo. here's a tweet singing occupation shut down #bk foreclosure court auction #OccupyWallStreet @o4o_nyc Michael Premo www.michaelpremo.com -----Original Message----From: "Michael Premo" <m.premo@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 22:02:31 To: Media Working group<globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com> Reply-To: m.premo@gmail.com Subject: Please retweet and post - foreclosure court auction blockade successful Just don't want this to get lost in park defense shuffle so please spread the word through personal networks: singing occupation shut down foreclosure court auction with #OccupyWallStreet @o4o_nyc Video shortly. It was beautiful to see the occupied courtroom erupt in singing. I'm a poor editor but am headed to put something up. Please spread the word. Michael Premo www.michaelpremo.com
globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com on behalf of Sofa Gallis Muriente globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] Re: Please retweet and post - foreclosure court auction blockade successful Thursday, October 13, 2011 6:24:49 PM
AMAZING! looking forward to the video! On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 6:05 PM, Michael Premo <m.premo@gmail.com> wrote: Oops. Typo. here's a tweet singing occupation shut down #bk foreclosure court auction #OccupyWallStreet @o4o_nyc Michael Premo www.michaelpremo.com -----Original Message----From: "Michael Premo" <m.premo@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 22:02:31 To: Media Working group<globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com> Reply-To: m.premo@gmail.com Subject: Please retweet and post - foreclosure court auction blockade successful Just don't want this to get lost in park defense shuffle so please spread the word through personal networks: singing occupation shut down foreclosure court auction with #OccupyWallStreet @o4o_nyc Video shortly. It was beautiful to see the occupied courtroom erupt in singing. I'm a poor editor but am headed to put something up. Please spread the word. Michael Premo www.michaelpremo.com
globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com on behalf of Sofa Gallis Muriente globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] Room near park to store delicate equipment Thursday, October 13, 2011 6:26:20 PM
I'm sure there's also cars parked near the square that belong to occupators, as well as supportive neighbors that could take some things... On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 6:23 PM, lio spiegler <b4i8u2@gmail.com> wrote: Storage is much cheaper! Together. On Oct 13, 2011 5:44 PM, "Alma" <wafflesushi@gmail.com> wrote: Hey guys! Just a thought, wanted to see the reaction on a few boards before proposing at tonight's GA. I was thinking of booking a hotel close to the park, for example the Holiday Inn on Nassau St, and have it open for storage of delicate equipment currently at the camp. I was thinking the Media and Internet committees in particular could make good use of such a room, even if just for tonight and out by noon tomorrow or Saturday. I would request funding, that particular hotel is around $300 per night but there are currently rooms available for tonight. Thoughts? Alma
globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com on behalf of Nicholas Isabella globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] Room near park to store delicate equipment Thursday, October 13, 2011 9:16:52 PM
I also can use my truck to help Sent from my iPhone On Oct 13, 2011, at 19:01, Anthony DiMieri <anthony.dimieri@gmail.com> wrote: What exactly would you need to store? And for how long? I live a few subway stops away and wouldn't charge $300. 2011/10/13 Sofa Gallis Muriente <rojosofia@gmail.com> I'm sure there's also cars parked near the square that belong to occupators, as well as supportive neighbors that could take some things... On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 6:23 PM, lio spiegler <b4i8u2@gmail.com> wrote: Storage is much cheaper! Together. On Oct 13, 2011 5:44 PM, "Alma" <wafflesushi@gmail.com> wrote: Hey guys! Just a thought, wanted to see the reaction on a few boards before proposing at tonight's GA. I was thinking of booking a hotel close to the park, for example the Holiday Inn on Nassau St, and have it open for storage of delicate equipment currently at the camp. I was thinking the Media and Internet committees in particular could make good use of such a room, even if just for tonight and out by noon tomorrow or Saturday. I would request funding, that particular hotel is around $300 per night but there are currently rooms available for tonight. Thoughts? Alma
globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com on behalf of Fix globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] Room near park to store delicate equipment Thursday, October 13, 2011 7:42:21 PM
Hey, I concur no hotel. We should start right now to move non essential equipment, documents and personal items to storage. Fix Michael Fix (917) 572-8215 Sent from my Star Trek like, mobile communication device, which is destroying language. On Oct 13, 2011 7:05 PM, "Victoria Sobel" <victoria@showpaper.org> wrote: i think the hotel room seems unnecessary as well, i've heard of a couple of offsite spaces- who's belongings are trying to be stored??? storage spaces cost roughly 200-300 per month On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 7:01 PM, Anthony DiMieri <anthony.dimieri@gmail.com> wrote: What exactly would you need to store? And for how long? I live a few subway stops away and wouldn't charge $300. 2011/10/13 Sofa Gallis Muriente <rojosofia@gmail.com> I'm sure there's also cars parked near the square that belong to occupators, as well as supportive neighbors that could take some things... On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 6:23 PM, lio spiegler <b4i8u2@gmail.com> wrote: Storage is much cheaper! Together. On Oct 13, 2011 5:44 PM, "Alma" <wafflesushi@gmail.com> wrote: Hey guys! Just a thought, wanted to see the reaction on a few boards before proposing at tonight's GA. I was thinking of booking a hotel close to the park, for example the Holiday Inn on Nassau St, and have it open for storage of delicate equipment currently at the camp. I was thinking the Media and Internet committees in particular could make good use of such a room, even if just for tonight and out by noon tomorrow or Saturday. I would request funding, that particular hotel is around $300 per night
but there are currently rooms available for tonight. Thoughts? Alma
globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com on behalf of Victoria Sobel globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] Room near park to store delicate equipment Thursday, October 13, 2011 7:05:29 PM
i think the hotel room seems unnecessary as well, i've heard of a couple of offsite spaces- who's belongings are trying to be stored??? storage spaces cost roughly 200-300 per month On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 7:01 PM, Anthony DiMieri <anthony.dimieri@gmail.com> wrote: What exactly would you need to store? And for how long? I live a few subway stops away and wouldn't charge $300. 2011/10/13 Sofa Gallis Muriente <rojosofia@gmail.com> I'm sure there's also cars parked near the square that belong to occupators, as well as supportive neighbors that could take some things... On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 6:23 PM, lio spiegler <b4i8u2@gmail.com> wrote: Storage is much cheaper! Together. On Oct 13, 2011 5:44 PM, "Alma" <wafflesushi@gmail.com> wrote: Hey guys! Just a thought, wanted to see the reaction on a few boards before proposing at tonight's GA. I was thinking of booking a hotel close to the park, for example the Holiday Inn on Nassau St, and have it open for storage of delicate equipment currently at the camp. I was thinking the Media and Internet committees in particular could make good use of such a room, even if just for tonight and out by noon tomorrow or Saturday. I would request funding, that particular hotel is around $300 per night but there are currently rooms available for tonight. Thoughts? Alma
globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com on behalf of Anthony DiMieri globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] Room near park to store delicate equipment Thursday, October 13, 2011 7:02:03 PM
What exactly would you need to store? And for how long? I live a few subway stops away and wouldn't charge $300. 2011/10/13 Sofa Gallis Muriente <rojosofia@gmail.com> I'm sure there's also cars parked near the square that belong to occupators, as well as supportive neighbors that could take some things... On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 6:23 PM, lio spiegler <b4i8u2@gmail.com> wrote: Storage is much cheaper! Together. On Oct 13, 2011 5:44 PM, "Alma" <wafflesushi@gmail.com> wrote: Hey guys! Just a thought, wanted to see the reaction on a few boards before proposing at tonight's GA. I was thinking of booking a hotel close to the park, for example the Holiday Inn on Nassau St, and have it open for storage of delicate equipment currently at the camp. I was thinking the Media and Internet committees in particular could make good use of such a room, even if just for tonight and out by noon tomorrow or Saturday. I would request funding, that particular hotel is around $300 per night but there are currently rooms available for tonight. Thoughts? Alma
globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com on behalf of lio spiegler globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] Room near park to store delicate equipment Thursday, October 13, 2011 6:23:09 PM
Storage is much cheaper! Together. On Oct 13, 2011 5:44 PM, "Alma" <wafflesushi@gmail.com> wrote: Hey guys! Just a thought, wanted to see the reaction on a few boards before proposing at tonight's GA. I was thinking of booking a hotel close to the park, for example the Holiday Inn on Nassau St, and have it open for storage of delicate equipment currently at the camp. I was thinking the Media and Internet committees in particular could make good use of such a room, even if just for tonight and out by noon tomorrow or Saturday. I would request funding, that particular hotel is around $300 per night but there are currently rooms available for tonight. Thoughts? Alma
globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com on behalf of John Kersten globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] Shooters and Editors for Wednesday (tomorrow) Wednesday, October 12, 2011 5:11:57 AM
Oh, and I'm going to be at the park from 8am to about 3ish. On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 5:10 AM, John Kersten <johnnyk327@gmail.com> wrote: Fix- I'm thinking the same thing. I was hoping to shoot my sanitation piece tomorrow, but something about overcoming basic challenges like inclement weather may be far more topical and lyrical. Every working group will have something to say about it. I will be there early AM. On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 12:40 AM, Fix <senorfix@gmail.com> wrote: Yes - if you are referring to the gallery at Wall & Broad St, at least that's what I heard earlier today. Might be a popular spot on a rainy day. Does anyone know what sort of coverage we have of thf gallery that's been posted. Another thought is a piece dealing with rainy days and preparing for change of seasons. Interview the weatherman, comfort, etc. Just tossing out ideas. I'll be onsite around 10 and am still trying to rustle up a cam... Fix Michael Fix (917) 572-8215 Sent from my Star Trek like, mobile communication device, which is destroying language. On Oct 11, 2011 11:03 PM, "Abraham Heisler" <abe@abrahamheisler.com> wrote: Hey Kari, Just a heads up. It is expected to rain for most of tomorrow. What's up with the art space across from the stock exchange? I hear it is available to us for the rest of the week. True? -Abe On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 10:35 AM, kg <karigiron@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Guys, > > Who's available to Shoot and / or Edit tomorrow? > And what equipment do you have? >
> I can't be around today, but I'll be producing tomorrow. > > Best, > Kari
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globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com on behalf of John Kersten globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] Shooters and Editors for Wednesday (tomorrow) Wednesday, October 12, 2011 5:10:36 AM
Fix- I'm thinking the same thing. I was hoping to shoot my sanitation piece tomorrow, but something about overcoming basic challenges like inclement weather may be far more topical and lyrical. Every working group will have something to say about it. I will be there early AM. On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 12:40 AM, Fix <senorfix@gmail.com> wrote: Yes - if you are referring to the gallery at Wall & Broad St, at least that's what I heard earlier today. Might be a popular spot on a rainy day. Does anyone know what sort of coverage we have of thf gallery that's been posted. Another thought is a piece dealing with rainy days and preparing for change of seasons. Interview the weatherman, comfort, etc. Just tossing out ideas. I'll be onsite around 10 and am still trying to rustle up a cam... Fix Michael Fix (917) 572-8215 Sent from my Star Trek like, mobile communication device, which is destroying language. On Oct 11, 2011 11:03 PM, "Abraham Heisler" <abe@abrahamheisler.com> wrote: Hey Kari, Just a heads up. It is expected to rain for most of tomorrow. What's up with the art space across from the stock exchange? I hear it is available to us for the rest of the week. True? -Abe On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 10:35 AM, kg <karigiron@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Guys, > > Who's available to Shoot and / or Edit tomorrow? > And what equipment do you have? > > I can't be around today, but I'll be producing tomorrow. > > Best, > Kari
globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com on behalf of Fix globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] Shooters and Editors for Wednesday (tomorrow) Wednesday, October 12, 2011 12:40:44 AM
Yes - if you are referring to the gallery at Wall & Broad St, at least that's what I heard earlier today. Might be a popular spot on a rainy day. Does anyone know what sort of coverage we have of thf gallery that's been posted. Another thought is a piece dealing with rainy days and preparing for change of seasons. Interview the weatherman, comfort, etc. Just tossing out ideas. I'll be onsite around 10 and am still trying to rustle up a cam... Fix Michael Fix (917) 572-8215 Sent from my Star Trek like, mobile communication device, which is destroying language. On Oct 11, 2011 11:03 PM, "Abraham Heisler" <abe@abrahamheisler.com> wrote: Hey Kari, Just a heads up. It is expected to rain for most of tomorrow. What's up with the art space across from the stock exchange? I hear it is available to us for the rest of the week. True? -Abe On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 10:35 AM, kg <karigiron@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Guys, > > Who's available to Shoot and / or Edit tomorrow? > And what equipment do you have? > > I can't be around today, but I'll be producing tomorrow. > > Best, > Kari
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globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com on behalf of Fix globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] Shooters and Editors for Wednesday (tomorrow) Wednesday, October 12, 2011 9:01:04 AM
A friendly reminder - Check in with the person from media who attends the morning working groups 9am coordination meeting also stop by press to get the latest on any events that are specific to today as well. Just saw article about 'Over 1200 Latino & African American Students marching to Bklyn Bridge to protest NYPD tactics.' 10:30am gathering at Cadman Plaza. Rally at City Hall @ noon. Not certain if we are able to cover but just FYI. Cheers, Fix Michael Fix (917) 572-8215 Sent from my Star Trek like, mobile communication device, which is destroying language. On Oct 12, 2011 5:56 AM, "Nicholas Isabella" <captainnick07@gmail.com> wrote: Hey fix,that's an awesome idea about filming on rainy days. I brought this up at the media meeting the other day. The rain may suck sometimes but the morale in the park is still very high. ie: people singing under tarps and chanting about occupyingwallst. As the winter season rolls around I think it will be great to see from a weathermans point of view the fact that people will still be putting their hearts and souls into this movement despite the weather. If anyone is from new york city we all know how much snow we had last winter,why not use that to our advantage? Sleeping in snow shelters and such. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 12, 2011, at 0:40, Fix <senorfix@gmail.com> wrote: Yes - if you are referring to the gallery at Wall & Broad St, at least that's what I heard earlier today. Might be a popular spot on a rainy day. Does anyone know what sort of coverage we have of thf gallery that's been posted. Another thought is a piece dealing with rainy days and preparing for change of seasons. Interview the weatherman, comfort, etc. Just tossing out ideas. I'll be onsite around 10 and am still trying to rustle up a cam... Fix Michael Fix
(917) 572-8215 Sent from my Star Trek like, mobile communication device, which is destroying language. On Oct 11, 2011 11:03 PM, "Abraham Heisler" <abe@abrahamheisler.com> wrote: Hey Kari, Just a heads up. It is expected to rain for most of tomorrow. What's up with the art space across from the stock exchange? I hear it is available to us for the rest of the week. True? -Abe On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 10:35 AM, kg <karigiron@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Guys, > > Who's available to Shoot and / or Edit tomorrow? > And what equipment do you have? > > I can't be around today, but I'll be producing tomorrow. > > Best, > Kari
globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jaime Fallon globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] Shooters and Editors for Wednesday (tomorrow) Wednesday, October 12, 2011 9:15:20 AM
I'm giving a supportive, strong second to Fix's last message. Shoot well today. Solidarity! On Oct 12, 2011, at 9:00 AM, Fix <senorfix@gmail.com> wrote: A friendly reminder - Check in with the person from media who attends the morning working groups 9am coordination meeting also stop by press to get the latest on any events that are specific to today as well. Just saw article about 'Over 1200 Latino & African American Students marching to Bklyn Bridge to protest NYPD tactics.' 10:30am gathering at Cadman Plaza. Rally at City Hall @ noon. Not certain if we are able to cover but just FYI. Cheers, Fix Michael Fix (917) 572-8215 Sent from my Star Trek like, mobile communication device, which is destroying language. On Oct 12, 2011 5:56 AM, "Nicholas Isabella" <captainnick07@gmail.com> wrote: Hey fix,that's an awesome idea about filming on rainy days. I brought this up at the media meeting the other day. The rain may suck sometimes but the morale in the park is still very high. ie: people singing under tarps and chanting about occupyingwallst. As the winter season rolls around I think it will be great to see from a weathermans point of view the fact that people will still be putting their hearts and souls into this movement despite the weather. If anyone is from new york city we all know how much snow we had last winter,why not use that to our advantage? Sleeping in snow shelters and such. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 12, 2011, at 0:40, Fix <senorfix@gmail.com> wrote: Yes - if you are referring to the gallery at Wall & Broad St, at least that's what I heard earlier today.
Might be a popular spot on a rainy day. Does anyone know what sort of coverage we have of thf gallery that's been posted. Another thought is a piece dealing with rainy days and preparing for change of seasons. Interview the weatherman, comfort, etc. Just tossing out ideas. I'll be onsite around 10 and am still trying to rustle up a cam... Fix Michael Fix (917) 572-8215 Sent from my Star Trek like, mobile communication device, which is destroying language. On Oct 11, 2011 11:03 PM, "Abraham Heisler" <abe@abrahamheisler.com> wrote: Hey Kari, Just a heads up. It is expected to rain for most of tomorrow. What's up with the art space across from the stock exchange? I hear it is available to us for the rest of the week. True? -Abe On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 10:35 AM, kg <karigiron@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Guys, > > Who's available to Shoot and / or Edit tomorrow? > And what equipment do you have? > > I can't be around today, but I'll be producing tomorrow. > > Best, > Kari
globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com on behalf of Peter Azen globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] Shooters and Editors for Wednesday (tomorrow) Wednesday, October 12, 2011 10:50:46 AM
kari. I won't be able to make it today, but if you send me the footage through the 8Tb ftp server Spencer was talking about on another e-mail chain, I can edit it. pete
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 9:15 AM, Jaime Fallon <jaimexo@gmail.com> wrote: I'm giving a supportive, strong second to Fix's last message. Shoot well today. Solidarity! On Oct 12, 2011, at 9:00 AM, Fix <senorfix@gmail.com> wrote: A friendly reminder - Check in with the person from media who attends the morning working groups 9am coordination meeting also stop by press to get the latest on any events that are specific to today as well. Just saw article about 'Over 1200 Latino & African American Students marching to Bklyn Bridge to protest NYPD tactics.' 10:30am gathering at Cadman Plaza. Rally at City Hall @ noon. Not certain if we are able to cover but just FYI. Cheers, Fix Michael Fix (917) 572-8215 Sent from my Star Trek like, mobile communication device, which is destroying language. On Oct 12, 2011 5:56 AM, "Nicholas Isabella" <captainnick07@gmail.com> wrote: Hey fix,that's an awesome idea about filming on rainy days. I brought this up at the media meeting the other day. The rain may suck sometimes but the morale in the park is still very high. ie: people singing under tarps and chanting about occupyingwallst. As the winter season rolls around I think it will be great to see from a weathermans point of view the fact that people will still be putting their hearts and souls into this movement despite the weather. If
anyone is from new york city we all know how much snow we had last winter,why not use that to our advantage? Sleeping in snow shelters and such. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 12, 2011, at 0:40, Fix <senorfix@gmail.com> wrote: Yes - if you are referring to the gallery at Wall & Broad St, at least that's what I heard earlier today. Might be a popular spot on a rainy day. Does anyone know what sort of coverage we have of thf gallery that's been posted. Another thought is a piece dealing with rainy days and preparing for change of seasons. Interview the weatherman, comfort, etc. Just tossing out ideas. I'll be onsite around 10 and am still trying to rustle up a cam... Fix Michael Fix (917) 572-8215 Sent from my Star Trek like, mobile communication device, which is destroying language. On Oct 11, 2011 11:03 PM, "Abraham Heisler" <abe@abrahamheisler.com> wrote: Hey Kari, Just a heads up. It is expected to rain for most of tomorrow. What's up with the art space across from the stock exchange? I hear it is available to us for the rest of the week. True? -Abe On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 10:35 AM, kg <karigiron@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Guys, > > Who's available to Shoot and / or Edit tomorrow? > And what equipment do you have? > > I can't be around today, but I'll be producing tomorrow.
> > Best, > Kari
globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com on behalf of Nicholas Isabella globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] Shooters and Editors for Wednesday (tomorrow) Wednesday, October 12, 2011 5:56:07 AM
Hey fix,that's an awesome idea about filming on rainy days. I brought this up at the media meeting the other day. The rain may suck sometimes but the morale in the park is still very high. ie: people singing under tarps and chanting about occupyingwallst. As the winter season rolls around I think it will be great to see from a weathermans point of view the fact that people will still be putting their hearts and souls into this movement despite the weather. If anyone is from new york city we all know how much snow we had last winter,why not use that to our advantage? Sleeping in snow shelters and such. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 12, 2011, at 0:40, Fix <senorfix@gmail.com> wrote: Yes - if you are referring to the gallery at Wall & Broad St, at least that's what I heard earlier today. Might be a popular spot on a rainy day. Does anyone know what sort of coverage we have of thf gallery that's been posted. Another thought is a piece dealing with rainy days and preparing for change of seasons. Interview the weatherman, comfort, etc. Just tossing out ideas. I'll be onsite around 10 and am still trying to rustle up a cam... Fix Michael Fix (917) 572-8215 Sent from my Star Trek like, mobile communication device, which is destroying language. On Oct 11, 2011 11:03 PM, "Abraham Heisler" <abe@abrahamheisler.com> wrote: Hey Kari, Just a heads up. It is expected to rain for most of tomorrow. What's up with the art space across from the stock exchange? I hear it is available to us for the rest of the week. True? -Abe On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 10:35 AM, kg <karigiron@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Guys,
> > > > > > > >
Who's available to Shoot and / or Edit tomorrow? And what equipment do you have? I can't be around today, but I'll be producing tomorrow. Best, Kari
globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com on behalf of Daniel Levine globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] Sound for tomorrow Wednesday, October 12, 2011 9:56:52 AM
cool cool On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 7:52 AM, John Kersten <johnnyk327@gmail.com> wrote: I'll get my boom from home. Call 206-999-1281 when you get there. On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 5:25 PM, Daniel Levine <danieltrumpets@gmail.com> wrote: I'm down to it BUT. I have a student loan meeting at 11am (bleggh!) and a radio working group meeting at 2pm (right on!) plus a possible training session at BAI. I'll be around though so if we can fit it in I'm totally there. Also, I got the zoom, but not the Boompole setup. Hope I can help though On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 4:34 PM, John Kersten <johnnyk327@gmail.com> wrote: I'm looking for someone who can operate a Zoom H4N/Boompole setup tomorrow. I'll be out shooting and will need help with interviews and soundgathering in general. Please let me or Jaime know if you can help with this! Going to be a fun day. John Kersten Director/DIT JohnnyK327@gmail.com 206-999-1281 vimeo.com/johnnyk
globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com on behalf of John Kersten globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] Sound for tomorrow Wednesday, October 12, 2011 7:52:40 AM
I'll get my boom from home. Call 206-999-1281 when you get there. On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 5:25 PM, Daniel Levine <danieltrumpets@gmail.com> wrote: I'm down to it BUT. I have a student loan meeting at 11am (bleggh!) and a radio working group meeting at 2pm (right on!) plus a possible training session at BAI. I'll be around though so if we can fit it in I'm totally there. Also, I got the zoom, but not the Boompole setup. Hope I can help though On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 4:34 PM, John Kersten <johnnyk327@gmail.com> wrote: I'm looking for someone who can operate a Zoom H4N/Boompole setup tomorrow. I'll be out shooting and will need help with interviews and soundgathering in general. Please let me or Jaime know if you can help with this! Going to be a fun day. John Kersten Director/DIT JohnnyK327@gmail.com 206-999-1281 vimeo.com/johnnyk
globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jenn Farmer globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] the occupied wall street journal Wednesday, October 12, 2011 5:29:41 PM
Awesome thanks ! Sent from my iPhone On Oct 12, 2011, at 2:07 PM, "Michael Premo" <m.premo@gmail.com> wrote: Jed Brandt is the co-founder of OWSJ, jedbrandt@gmail.com Michael Premo www.michaelpremo.com From: Jenn Farmer <jenn@jennfarmer.org> Sender: globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 13:52:45 -0700 To: <globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com> ReplyTo: globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Subject: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] the occupied wall street journal Hello All, I was interested in distributing some copies of the occupied wall street journal out in San Francisco, does anyone have a contact for that ? Or is that a possibility ? Thanks, Jenn
globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com on behalf of Michael Premo Media Working group Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] the occupied wall street journal Wednesday, October 12, 2011 5:14:44 PM
Jed Brandt is the co-founder of OWSJ, jedbrandt@gmail.com Michael Premo www.michaelpremo.com From: Jenn Farmer <jenn@jennfarmer.org> Sender: globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 13:52:45 -0700 To: <globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com> ReplyTo: globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Subject: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] the occupied wall street journal Hello All, I was interested in distributing some copies of the occupied wall street journal out in San Francisco, does anyone have a contact for that ? Or is that a possibility ? Thanks, Jenn
globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com on behalf of Rene Renata Bergan globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com pr-working-group@googlegroups.com; september17@googlegroups.com; 917-arts-andculture@googlegroups.com Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] THIS IS IT! -- Ray Kelly basically saying he will end OWS Thursday, October 13, 2011 2:36:20 PM
Should we do an all out call for everyone to come sleep at the park tonight??? ************************* Rene Renata Bergan 805.698.3069 www.renegadepix.net
On Oct 13, 2011, at 2:26 PM, beka economopoulos wrote: SENDING AROUND A CALL TO ACTION NOW, PLEASE FORWARD WIDELY ---------- Forwarded message ----------
Last Updated:1:13 PM, October 13, 2011 Posted:12:09 PM, October 13, 2011
The partys over! The citys top cop said today that the Occupy Wall Street protesters who clear out of Zuccotti Park tomorrow so their filthy makeshift campsite can get a much-needed cleaning can come back when the job is finished - but they cant take their tents, coolers and other gear with them. People will have to remove all their belongings and leave the park, Police Commissioner Ray Kelly said After its cleaned, theyll be able to come back. But they wont be able to bring back the gear, the sleeping bags, that sort of
thing will not be able to be brought back into the park. The order would put an end to the campout at the park that began on Sept. 17 -- but some of the protesters defiantly vowed not to leave the park as the city has ordered. The powers that be dont like whats happening, and it doesnt surprise me, one protester said this morning. Theyd do anything to get rid of us. But you dont put yourself through all this if youre not serious. Another young man shouted Were not leaving this park! as cops walked by passing out fliers warning them to clear out. Others said they would clean up the park themselves, and a few were already walking around with brooms and picking up garbage. The demonstrators were also expected to head back to Brooklyn this afternoon to gather outside Kings County Supreme Court to protest the weekly auctions of homes that have been foreclosed on. Wall Street bankers, organizers claimed, knowingly sold mortgages to people who couldnt afford to pay them back. Last time the protesters tried to approach Brooklyn by swarming onto the Brooklyn Bridge cops responded by making more than 700 arrests. Mayor Bloomberg went to the base of the Occupy Wall Street protesters last night to inform them that the parks owners need to clean up tomorrow after the weeks-long rally. But he added they could return once the park is tidied up, officials said. The last three weeks have created unsanitary conditions and considerable wear and tear on the park, a statement from Deputy Mayor Cas Holloway said. The situation is not in the best interests of the protesters, residents or the city. Also yesterday, PETA announced that members dressed as a chicken, cow and pig would show up at the protest friday to protest factory farming. -New: http://blog.art21.org/2011/05/19/5-questions-for-contemporarypractice-with-not-an-alternative/ Not An Alternative
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globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com on behalf of Vlad T globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com pr-working-group@googlegroups.com; september17@googlegroups.com; 917-arts-andculture@googlegroups.com Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] THIS IS IT! -- Ray Kelly basically saying he will end OWS Thursday, October 13, 2011 2:38:44 PM
yes i agree. if we get enough people there they will back down. On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Rene Renata Bergan <renee@renegadepix.net> wrote: Should we do an all out call for everyone to come sleep at the park tonight??? ************************* Rene Renata Bergan 805.698.3069 www.renegadepix.net
The partys over! The citys top cop said today that the Occupy Wall Street protesters who clear out of Zuccotti Park tomorrow so their filthy makeshift campsite can get a much-needed cleaning can come back when the job is finished - but they cant take their tents, coolers and other gear with
them. People will have to remove all their belongings and leave the park, Police Commissioner Ray Kelly said After its cleaned, theyll be able to come back. But they wont be able to bring back the gear, the sleeping bags, that sort of thing will not be able to be brought back into the park. The order would put an end to the campout at the park that began on Sept. 17 -- but some of the protesters defiantly vowed not to leave the park as the city has ordered. The powers that be dont like whats happening, and it doesnt surprise me, one protester said this morning. Theyd do anything to get rid of us. But you dont put yourself through all this if youre not serious. Another young man shouted Were not leaving this park! as cops walked by passing out fliers warning them to clear out. Others said they would clean up the park themselves, and a few were already walking around with brooms and picking up garbage. The demonstrators were also expected to head back to Brooklyn this afternoon to gather outside Kings County Supreme Court to protest the weekly auctions of homes that have been foreclosed on. Wall Street bankers, organizers claimed, knowingly sold mortgages to people who couldnt afford to pay them back. Last time the protesters tried to approach Brooklyn by swarming onto the Brooklyn Bridge cops responded by making more than 700 arrests. Mayor Bloomberg went to the base of the Occupy Wall Street protesters last night to inform them that the parks owners need to clean up tomorrow after the weeks-long rally. But he added they could return once the park is tidied up, officials said. The last three weeks have created unsanitary conditions and considerable wear and tear on the park, a statement from Deputy Mayor Cas Holloway said. The situation is not in the best interests of the protesters, residents or the city.
Also yesterday, PETA announced that members dressed as a chicken, cow and pig would show up at the protest friday to protest factory farming. -New: http://blog.art21.org/2011/05/19/5-questions-for-contemporarypractice-with-not-an-alternative/ Not An Alternative http://notanalternative.com Fission Strategy http://fissionstrategy.com Phone: 917-202-5479 Skype: bekamop Twitter: http://twitter.com/bekamop
globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com on behalf of Alvaro Corzo global revolution RE: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] THIS IS IT! -- Ray Kelly basically saying he will end OWS Thursday, October 13, 2011 2:43:36 PM
do we know what time they are coming? A. From: vlad@glassbeadcollective.org Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 14:38:20 -0400 Subject: Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] THIS IS IT! -- Ray Kelly basically saying he will end OWS To: globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com CC: pr-working-group@googlegroups.com; september17@googlegroups.com; 917-arts-andculture@googlegroups.com yes i agree. if we get enough people there they will back down. On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Rene Renata Bergan <renee@renegadepix.net> wrote: Should we do an all out call for everyone to come sleep at the park tonight???
************************* Rene Renata Bergan 805.698.3069 www.renegadepix.net
Last Updated:1:13 PM, October 13, 2011
Posted:12:09 PM, October 13, 2011
The partys over!
The citys top cop said today that the Occupy Wall Street protesters who clear out of Zuccotti Park tomorrow so their filthy makeshift campsite can get a much-needed cleaning can come back when the job is finished - but they cant take their tents, coolers and other gear with them. People will have to remove all their belongings and leave the park, Police Commissioner Ray Kelly said After its cleaned, theyll be able to come back. But they wont be able to bring back the gear, the sleeping bags, that sort of thing will not be able to be brought back into the park. The order would put an end to the campout at the park that began on Sept. 17 -- but some of the protesters defiantly vowed not to leave the park as the city has ordered. The powers that be dont like whats happening, and it doesnt surprise me, one protester said this morning. Theyd do anything to get rid of us. But you dont put yourself through all this if youre not serious. Another young man shouted Were not leaving this park! as cops walked by passing out fliers warning them to clear out. Others said they would clean up the park themselves, and a few were already walking around with brooms and picking up garbage. The demonstrators were also expected to head back to Brooklyn this afternoon to gather outside Kings County Supreme Court to protest the weekly auctions of homes that have been foreclosed on. Wall Street bankers, organizers claimed, knowingly sold mortgages to people who couldnt afford to pay them back. Last time the protesters tried to approach Brooklyn by swarming onto the Brooklyn Bridge cops responded by making more than 700 arrests.
Mayor Bloomberg went to the base of the Occupy Wall Street protesters last night to inform them that the parks owners need to clean up tomorrow after the weeks-long rally. But he added they could return once the park is tidied up, officials said. The last three weeks have created unsanitary conditions and considerable wear and tear on the park, a statement from Deputy Mayor Cas Holloway said. The situation is not in the best interests of the protesters, residents or the city. Also yesterday, PETA announced that members dressed as a chicken, cow and pig would show up at the protest friday to protest factory farming.
-New: http://blog.art21.org/2011/05/19/5-questions-for-contemporarypractice-with-not-an-alternative/ Not An Alternative http://notanalternative.com Fission Strategy http://fissionstrategy.com Phone: 917-202-5479 Skype: bekamop Twitter: http://twitter.com/bekamop
globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com on behalf of kari giron globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] Training today? Thursday, October 13, 2011 11:33:21 AM
good idea. i'll re On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Katie Davison <katiedavison@rogueproduction.com> wrote:
They have also asked us to shoot the internet training tonight as a how - to video. I think we should maybe record audio and enlist a graphics person to create a how - to since its for internet training - like those step by step final cut training tutorials.
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This Internet: new website training, based on Katie's amazing minutes from the 9pm meeting, is still happening. The person at this mornings 9AM working groups meeting could also confirm. On Oct 13, 2011, at 7:15 AM, DMS wrote: > At the Tuesday meeting there was reference to training today, at the cube 9:30. Is this still happening? > > David
globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com on behalf of Katie Davison globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com; globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] Training today? Thursday, October 13, 2011 11:21:24 AM
globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jaime Fallon globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] Training today? Thursday, October 13, 2011 8:24:34 AM
This Internet: new website training, based on Katie's amazing minutes from the 9pm meeting, is still happening. The person at this mornings 9AM working groups meeting could also confirm. On Oct 13, 2011, at 7:15 AM, DMS <davidscameracraft@gmail.com> wrote: > At the Tuesday meeting there was reference to training today, at the cube 9:30. Is this still happening? > > David
globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com on behalf of Katie Davison globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] Training today? Thursday, October 13, 2011 11:08:22 AM
its happening tonight at 9:30p
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At the Tuesday meeting there was reference to training today, at the cube 9:30. Is this still happening? David
globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com on behalf of kari giron globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] Training today? Thursday, October 13, 2011 11:36:17 AM
good idea - i can reach out to some graphics people who've been meaning to get involved. unless someone here can just do it quickly. On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 11:33 AM, kari giron <karigiron@gmail.com> wrote: good idea. i'll re On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Katie Davison <katiedavison@rogueproduction.com> wrote:
globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com on behalf of patricia gonzalez globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] Translation Wednesday, October 12, 2011 4:51:18 PM
i am part of this committee. ows.translation@gmail.com or ows_spanish_translators@googlegroups.org for translations specifically in spanish. patricia On Oct 12, 2011, at 4:45 PM, Michael Premo wrote: > How do I contact this committee > Michael Premo > www.michaelpremo.com
globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com on behalf of Christopher Rogy globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] Urgent help needed!!! - Guide to Hand Signals and Understanding the GA Thursday, October 13, 2011 9:03:57 AM
direct response. On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 8:04 AM, Abraham Heisler <abe@abrahamheisler.com> wrote: Hey everyone Nina and I are heading to MNN studio now to film a video to help people understand the meaning of hand signals and process of GA. The facilitator I had lined up to come narrate the video unfortunately may not be able to make it. We can film the hand gestures, but am wondering what else should we be shooting. Need to know by 10AM today. We have: Twinkle fingers for silent consent Down fingers for disagree Wavy fingers for unsure Point of Process Triangle Point of Information Index Finger Stack pinky Cross arm block Anything else that we should address? Human mic? Consensus? Progressive stack??? Thx Abe -www.AbrahamHeisler.com www.vimeo.com/heisler www.imdb.me/heisler www.newdawnlab.com
-Christopher Rogy 416 Adephi St. Apt 4A Brooklyn, NY 11238 christopher.rogy@gmail.com
globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jaime Fallon globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] Urgent help needed!!! - Guide to Hand Signals and Understanding the GA Thursday, October 13, 2011 8:21:09 AM
I wish that I could be there earlier to help (only make it after 5 today.) This is a good one. I would include mic checks. On Oct 13, 2011, at 8:04 AM, Abraham Heisler <abe@abrahamheisler.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey everyone Nina and I are heading to MNN studio now to film a video to help people understand the meaning of hand signals and process of GA. The facilitator I had lined up to come narrate the video unfortunately may not be able to make it. We can film the hand gestures, but am wondering what else should we be shooting. Need to know by 10AM today. We have: Twinkle fingers for silent consent Down fingers for disagree Wavy fingers for unsure Point of Process Triangle Point of Information Index Finger Stack pinky Cross arm block Anything else that we should address? Human mic? Consensus? Progressive stack??? Thx Abe -www.AbrahamHeisler.com www.vimeo.com/heisler www.imdb.me/heisler www.newdawnlab.com
globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com on behalf of Katie Davison globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] Urgent help needed!!! - Guide to Hand Signals and Understanding the GA Thursday, October 13, 2011 11:14:56 AM
the signal for I get your point. you should touch base with marisa though as she is a facilitator.
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Hey everyone Nina and I are heading to MNN studio now to film a video to help people understand the meaning of hand signals and process of GA. The facilitator I had lined up to come narrate the video unfortunately may not be able to make it. We can film the hand gestures, but am wondering what else should we be shooting. Need to know by 10AM today. We have: Twinkle fingers for silent consent Down fingers for disagree Wavy fingers for unsure Point of Process Triangle Point of Information Index Finger Stack pinky Cross arm block Anything else that we should address? Human mic? Consensus? Progressive stack??? Thx Abe -www.AbrahamHeisler.com www.vimeo.com/heisler www.imdb.me/heisler www.newdawnlab.com
globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com on behalf of kari giron globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] Urgent help needed!!! - Guide to Hand Signals and Understanding the GA Thursday, October 13, 2011 9:53:32 AM
Yeah I wish I could be there earlier too. I'd also include: -'we get your point' hand roll - the difference between report backs, agenda items, announcements, and soapboxing - the process for proposals, clarifying questions, concerns, consensus, blocks and yes- human mic / consensus / progressive stack Something else that would help make the video comprehensive are the roles of the facilitators, though the facilitation committee seems to change this sometimes: facilitator / co-facilitator / time keeper / stack greeter / stack keeper / vibe checker Maybe it sounds like much - but it helps put the hand signals into context.
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 9:03 AM, Christopher Rogy <christopher.rogy@gmail.com> wrote: direct response. On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 8:04 AM, Abraham Heisler <abe@abrahamheisler.com> wrote: Hey everyone Nina and I are heading to MNN studio now to film a video to help people understand the meaning of hand signals and process of GA. The facilitator I had lined up to come narrate the video unfortunately may not be able to make it. We can film the hand gestures, but am wondering what else should we be shooting. Need to know by 10AM today. We have: Twinkle fingers for silent consent Down fingers for disagree Wavy fingers for unsure Point of Process Triangle Point of Information Index Finger Stack pinky Cross arm block Anything else that we should address? Human mic? Consensus? Progressive stack??? Thx Abe
-Christopher Rogy 416 Adephi St. Apt 4A Brooklyn, NY 11238 christopher.rogy@gmail.com
globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com on behalf of Marisa Holmes globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] Urgent!!! - Guide to Hand-...Direct democracy Thursday, October 13, 2011 10:09:18 AM
Ok.. So consensus is not voting. This is important. Consensus is direct agreement with whats being said. Otherwise... I would suggest going through the process, so that it's easily understood how one would make decisions. 1) Agenda Item-- Must be relevant to the whole occupation 2) Proposal-- Brought forward by the working groups -Ask for clarifying questions -Ask for concerns -Ask for blocs (a bloc is a very serious ethical or safety concern) At this point, if no one blocs you reach consensus If there is a bloc, then you go to a 9/10 vote. 3) We take progressive stack, which means that traditionally marginalized and/or people who tend to speak less than others are given priority. 4) Process Points and Direct Responses jump stack 5) Direct Response is the finger in the air or two fingers shaking Marisa On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 4:00 PM, <andrew@thehumanchannel.org> wrote: > Abe, > > The key to consensus is inclusivity and horizontalism, or equality. See shots below. > > Find a subject from a traditionally marginalized group to do the demos. > > Here's some topics from the dir dem cheat sheet which I'm asking everyone help find a link to, from info or wherever- Brooke L. made it, reaching out to her too. Next to topics are my shot suggestions. > > 1. Transparency-Subject posting a sign on a pole or the internet for a meeting. (Shot of calendar on nycga.net) > 2. Non-coercion+ equal voting power. Subjects talking in the plaza? Listening? > 3. Balancing rights and responsibility- MCU subjects torso-pen in one hand, a hammer or tool is placed in the other. > 4. Tone/body language- subject wildly swings arms aggressively cut to: > 5. Check your privilege- "Progressive stack, used at nycga, puts folks from traditionally marginalized groups ahead on the stack". A. CU eyes. > > 6. "Step back, step up. Notice how much you raise your hand or speak. Be aware of others who have not spoken and the environment that they would feel comfortable doing so. Facing subjects ear, CU of lower half of face, 10 degrees to the rear, subject speaking, framing out eyes. Hands still expressing. Raising hand. > > 7. Facilitator role: To guide the meeting based on the principles listed of horizontalism, and know that becoming opinionated is a liability to create a percieved position of authority or hierarchy. > > 8. Prior to bylaws, define organizing principles, reiterate direct democracy principles and process, and display meeting agenda, progress and process. > > 9. Research the additional hand signals for opinion, concern, question.
> > -In out community: For lack of emphasis on direct democracy and horizontal organizing, the superficial process is misinterpreted as an excuse to dominate the conversation and theme, cluttered by assumed versions of process. > > Please reference Brooke Lehman for this, and if you can't get her, try to get your hands on the direct democracy cheat sheet she made everyone. I hit almost everything on the front of the sheet. On the back is an entire sheet of organizing and writing bylaws/proposals methods for the next vid. > > Andrew > > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > -----Original Message----> From: Abraham Heisler <abe@abrahamheisler.com> > Sender: globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com > Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 08:04:35 > To: <globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com> > Reply-To: globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com > Subject: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] Urgent help needed!!! - Guide to Hand Signals > and Understanding the GA > > Hey everyone > > Nina and I are heading to MNN studio now to film a video to help > people understand the meaning of hand signals and process of GA. The > facilitator I had lined up to come narrate the video unfortunately may > not be able to make it. We can film the hand gestures, but am > wondering what else should we be shooting. Need to know by 10AM today. > > We have: > > Twinkle fingers for silent consent > Down fingers for disagree > Wavy fingers for unsure > Point of Process Triangle > Point of Information Index Finger > Stack pinky > Cross arm block > > Anything else that we should address? > > Human mic? Consensus? Progressive stack??? > > Thx > > Abe > > -> www.AbrahamHeisler.com > www.vimeo.com/heisler > www.imdb.me/heisler > www.newdawnlab.com >
globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com on behalf of Abraham Heisler globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] Urgent!!! - Guide to Hand-...Direct democracy Thursday, October 13, 2011 9:10:02 AM
Well, we'll get what we can today and may have to follow up another day for the rest. On Oct 13, 2011 9:00 AM, <andrew@thehumanchannel.org> wrote: Abe, The key to consensus is inclusivity and horizontalism, or equality. See shots below. Find a subject from a traditionally marginalized group to do the demos. Here's some topics from the dir dem cheat sheet which I'm asking everyone help find a link to, from info or wherever- Brooke L. made it, reaching out to her too. Next to topics are my shot suggestions. 1. Transparency-Subject posting a sign on a pole or the internet for a meeting. (Shot of calendar on nycga.net) 2. Non-coercion+ equal voting power. Subjects talking in the plaza? Listening? 3. Balancing rights and responsibility- MCU subjects torso-pen in one hand, a hammer or tool is placed in the other. 4. Tone/body language- subject wildly swings arms aggressively cut to: 5. Check your privilege- "Progressive stack, used at nycga, puts folks from traditionally marginalized groups ahead on the stack". A. CU eyes. 6. "Step back, step up. Notice how much you raise your hand or speak. Be aware of others who have not spoken and the environment that they would feel comfortable doing so. Facing subjects ear, CU of lower half of face, 10 degrees to the rear, subject speaking, framing out eyes. Hands still expressing. Raising hand. 7. Facilitator role: To guide the meeting based on the principles listed of horizontalism, and know that becoming opinionated is a liability to create a percieved position of authority or hierarchy. 8. Prior to bylaws, define organizing principles, reiterate direct democracy principles and process, and display meeting agenda, progress and process. 9. Research the additional hand signals for opinion, concern, question. -In out community: For lack of emphasis on direct democracy and horizontal organizing, the superficial process is misinterpreted as an excuse to dominate the conversation and theme, cluttered by assumed versions of process. Please reference Brooke Lehman for this, and if you can't get her, try to get your hands on the direct democracy cheat sheet she made everyone. I hit almost everything on the front of the sheet. On the back is an entire sheet of organizing and writing bylaws/proposals methods for the next vid. Andrew
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----From: Abraham Heisler <abe@abrahamheisler.com> Sender: globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 08:04:35 To: <globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com> Reply-To: globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Subject: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] Urgent help needed!!! - Guide to Hand Signals and Understanding the GA Hey everyone Nina and I are heading to MNN studio now to film a video to help people understand the meaning of hand signals and process of GA. The facilitator I had lined up to come narrate the video unfortunately may not be able to make it. We can film the hand gestures, but am wondering what else should we be shooting. Need to know by 10AM today. We have: Twinkle fingers for silent consent Down fingers for disagree Wavy fingers for unsure Point of Process Triangle Point of Information Index Finger Stack pinky Cross arm block Anything else that we should address? Human mic? Consensus? Progressive stack??? Thx Abe -www.AbrahamHeisler.com www.vimeo.com/heisler www.imdb.me/heisler www.newdawnlab.com
globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com on behalf of Marisa Holmes globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] Urgent!!! - Guide to Hand-...Direct democracy Thursday, October 13, 2011 10:10:48 AM
Process Point-- form a triangle with both hands To get on stack raise your hand twinkle fingers= test of agreement On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 5:09 PM, Marisa Holmes <marisaholmes@gmail.com> wrote: > Ok.. > So consensus is not voting. This is important. > Consensus is direct agreement with whats being said. > Otherwise... > I would suggest going through the process, so that it's easily > understood how one would make decisions. > 1) Agenda Item-- Must be relevant to the whole occupation > 2) Proposal-- Brought forward by the working groups > -Ask for clarifying questions > -Ask for concerns > -Ask for blocs > (a bloc is a very serious ethical or safety concern) > At this point, if no one blocs you reach consensus > If there is a bloc, then you go to a 9/10 vote. > 3) We take progressive stack, which means > that traditionally marginalized and/or people who tend to > speak less than others are given priority. > 4) Process Points and Direct Responses jump stack > 5) Direct Response is the finger in the air or two fingers shaking > > Marisa > > On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 4:00 PM, <andrew@thehumanchannel.org> wrote: >> Abe, >> >> The key to consensus is inclusivity and horizontalism, or equality. See shots below. >> >> Find a subject from a traditionally marginalized group to do the demos. >> >> Here's some topics from the dir dem cheat sheet which I'm asking everyone help find a link to, from info or wherever- Brooke L. made it, reaching out to her too. Next to topics are my shot suggestions. >> >> 1. Transparency-Subject posting a sign on a pole or the internet for a meeting. (Shot of calendar on nycga.net) >> 2. Non-coercion+ equal voting power. Subjects talking in the plaza? Listening? >> 3. Balancing rights and responsibility- MCU subjects torso-pen in one hand, a hammer or tool is placed in the other. >> 4. Tone/body language- subject wildly swings arms aggressively cut to: >> 5. Check your privilege- "Progressive stack, used at nycga, puts folks from traditionally marginalized groups ahead on the stack". A. CU eyes. >> >> 6. "Step back, step up. Notice how much you raise your hand or speak. Be aware of others who have not spoken and the environment that they would feel comfortable doing so. Facing subjects ear, CU of lower half of face, 10 degrees to the rear, subject speaking, framing out eyes. Hands still expressing. Raising hand. >> >> 7. Facilitator role: To guide the meeting based on the principles listed of horizontalism, and know that becoming opinionated is a liability to create a percieved position of authority or hierarchy.
>> >> 8. Prior to bylaws, define organizing principles, reiterate direct democracy principles and process, and display meeting agenda, progress and process. >> >> 9. Research the additional hand signals for opinion, concern, question. >> >> -In out community: For lack of emphasis on direct democracy and horizontal organizing, the superficial process is misinterpreted as an excuse to dominate the conversation and theme, cluttered by assumed versions of process. >> >> Please reference Brooke Lehman for this, and if you can't get her, try to get your hands on the direct democracy cheat sheet she made everyone. I hit almost everything on the front of the sheet. On the back is an entire sheet of organizing and writing bylaws/proposals methods for the next vid. >> >> Andrew >> >> >> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry >> >> -----Original Message---->> From: Abraham Heisler <abe@abrahamheisler.com> >> Sender: globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com >> Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 08:04:35 >> To: <globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com> >> Reply-To: globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com >> Subject: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] Urgent help needed!!! - Guide to Hand Signals >> and Understanding the GA >> >> Hey everyone >> >> Nina and I are heading to MNN studio now to film a video to help >> people understand the meaning of hand signals and process of GA. The >> facilitator I had lined up to come narrate the video unfortunately may >> not be able to make it. We can film the hand gestures, but am >> wondering what else should we be shooting. Need to know by 10AM today. >> >> We have: >> >> Twinkle fingers for silent consent >> Down fingers for disagree >> Wavy fingers for unsure >> Point of Process Triangle >> Point of Information Index Finger >> Stack pinky >> Cross arm block >> >> Anything else that we should address? >> >> Human mic? Consensus? Progressive stack??? >> >> Thx >> >> Abe >> >> ->> www.AbrahamHeisler.com >> www.vimeo.com/heisler >> www.imdb.me/heisler >> www.newdawnlab.com >>
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globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com on behalf of John Kersten globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] we the people have found our voice Wednesday, October 12, 2011 1:44:38 AM
I am AGAINST posting. While it is true that many of us resent the police presence- and with good reason- it would not be fair to portray these sentiments without simultaneously explaining them in earnest. This video does not do that. It simply shows an anti-police attitude out of context. Most people out there are likely not aware of the conduct the NYPD has shown us (they likely know that people were arrested on the bridge, but not how many or why), when actually our relationship with the NYPD is very complicated, and I do not believe it would be appropriate or democratic to only present one side of this highly sensitive, multi-faceted issue. John Kersten Director/DIT JohnnyK327@gmail.com 206-999-1281 vimeo.com/johnnyk On Oct 12, 2011, at 1:07 AM, Daniel Levine <danieltrumpets@gmail.com> wrote: I think this is beautifully done! But, I don't think it could ever be called objective by any stretch of the imagination. It's clearly supportive of the movement, which I, personally, am fine with. Should there be some distinction made between documentaries like these and day to day reportage? This has been a seriously interesting thread to read and consider and these are hard questions. I have to say I didn't think the heckling shown in the movie was all that serious, especially compared to the images so many people have seen already of police violence. But it depends on the intent of the movie. If you're using it to attract people to the movement you walk a different line but personally that starts to feel a bit like propoganda to me. Ultimately the amount of documentation of this movement is so immense I think the images will balance each other out. If you're going to cut out some police heckling, you might as well cut out the girl saying "I guess we're not ALL antistate but we are anti-capitalist" (paraphrase) and things like that too. i see everyone's point. really fucking interesting. much love On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 12:34 AM, Devin Balkind <devin@beex.org> wrote: I think media, internet, outreach/pr, etc should collaborate to make curation decisions about featuring content on nycga media properties. Something like a curation committee...?
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 4:38 PM, Peter Azen <peterazen@gmail.com> wrote: I think the video looks beautiful, really well shot and edited. But I also agree with Katie. I think a good point is to try and get the police to notice that we are fighting for their futures as well and this video is just separating us even more. Apart from that section I dig it a lot.
---------- Forwarded message ---------From: <andrew@thehumanchannel.org> Date: Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 3:48 PM Subject: Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] we the people have found our voice To: globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com YES Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From: NathanCantRead <nathancantread@gmail.com> Sender: globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 15:19:20 -0400 To: globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com<globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com > ReplyTo: globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] we the people have found our voice There is enough spin & smear about OWS without us providing target practice for them. Objective journalism is a myth. Media ethics exist within a bias. The collective message is our ethic. In short: of course we should not include police heckling, it adds nothing to the cause & makes us look petty. Anger is for the weak-minded. Sent from iP On Oct 11, 2011, at 3:10 PM, DMS <davidscameracraft@gmail.com> wrote: I for one do not think we should include the police heckling. Though I laugh at how much money is being used to police this action and they were very underhanded and over handed in the first 3 weeks. I know that is not what we are about and it might play into the outside medias ability to portray us a certain way. Though they will do whatever they want any way. But we do not want to condone it because we are setting a tone of behavior for people who are not even here yet. People who have not come to the park and joined. People who have never been at a protest before. We attract what we show on our promo videos. So do we want people to come because they want to heckle the police.
Just a thought. David On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 2:40 PM, Katie Davison <katiedavison@rogueproduction.com> wrote:
Agreed. And as someone whose been arrested and encountered violence on the part of the NYPD over the last 3 weeks, I absolutely understand that anger. I am advocating moral and ethical high ground. I am not, however, saying we should silence voices. This is a much larger conversation that has been developing for some time and needs to be addressed asap. I will be sending out a draft of the media charter soon and am hoping we can all get on the same page to present it to the GA by end of week. Weigh in remotely if you can.
Return-Path: <globalrevolutionmedia+bnccmiutiypdbcli9l0bboedffa6g@googlegroups.com> Received: from mail-qy0-f187.google.com [209.85.216.187] by mail35.safesecureweb.com with SMTP; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 14:06:04 -0400 I agree with much of what you're saying Katie, but I do have some ethical concerns and counterpoints. I think there's a way to include all voices - even the most angry and the most tame, while representing the majority in the middle proportionately. I didn't see any violence in the video, and I believe anger toward the NYPD is valid, though I do agree that we should also make videos that try to get police forces on our side. The movement may eventually risk subgroups breaking away if the Media Team / website does not represent everyone. I think we can figure out a way to do this responsibly and with the goals of the movement in mind. I can't make the meeting today, but I'll be there all day tomorrow. Maybe we could wait a day or two before deciding whether or not to post this video? (This is a media group decision - right?) SORRY if this debate is getting too nit-picky. It's not really about this particular video, it's more about the bigger conversation of the Media Team's purpose.
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 1:26 PM, Katie Davison <katiedavison@rogueproduction.com> wrote: I agree with you on some level Kari, but we can not forget that what makes this different than anything prior to it is technology and social media. We have the capacity to work in outreach and movement building, i.e. go beyond purely documenting. I would argue that we have the responsibility to do so as a working group servicing the GA. I want to discuss this further in today's meeting, but concerning heckling - that is not what this movement is about. We are inclusive, not exclusive. We want to speak to the police in a way that makes them understand that they should join us. I think heckling is irresponsible and childish on any protestor's part. That doesn't mean we can't archive a fair portrayal of what is actually happening on the ground, but posting things like that on our website implies that we support that kind of behavior... which feeds the negative portrayal of us that is already floating around in the mainstream media. We have a responsibility to be better than that... this is about a fundamental value system underlying our Declaration of Solidarity.
Our media team and messaging should be reflective of that value system. Return-Path: <globalrevolutionmedia+bnccmiutiypdbdj6th0bboebf7rrg@googlegroups.com> Received: from mail-vx0-f187.google.com [209.85.220.187] by mail35.safesecureweb.com with SMTP; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 12:57:09 -0400 Katie's concern speaks to something Abe brought up at yesterday's meeting: what are we doing? Are we purely documenting, representing all our voices and messages? Or are we promoting / framing a more specific message? I personally like the documentary approach. I think videos of heckling police officers and more radical forms of resistance can and should be balanced with videos of meditation groups, overtly aggressive cops, and all non-radical resistance. I think the OccupyMedia Teams messages should be as scattered as the Occupy Wall Street Movement. And that - like the movement - points of unification will naturally emerge as we begin to work in larger numbers on longer term projects. x, kari
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Katie Davison <katiedavison@rogueproduction.com> wrote: This is great, but I have a problem with the bit on the cops - specifically the heckling. I don't think that's a proper reflection of what we represent, or should represent. I know that's nit picky, but if we're posting it on our websites, I think we have to consider messaging... Return-Path: <globalrevolutionmedia+bnccpfn9onkelzx0fqeggridous@googlegroups.com> Received: from mail-bw0-f59.google.com [209.85.214.59] by mail35.safesecureweb.com with SMTP; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 12:15:58 -0400 Hi everyone! The filmmakers who brought us Nobody can predict the moment of Revolution have made a longer film, and they'd like to post it on the nycga and occupywallstreet websites. Can we make this happen? Marisa It's posted here: http://vimeo.com/30241489
globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com on behalf of Daniel Levine globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] we the people have found our voice Wednesday, October 12, 2011 1:07:45 AM
I think this is beautifully done! But, I don't think it could ever be called objective by any stretch of the imagination. It's clearly supportive of the movement, which I, personally, am fine with. Should there be some distinction made between documentaries like these and day to day reportage? This has been a seriously interesting thread to read and consider and these are hard questions. I have to say I didn't think the heckling shown in the movie was all that serious, especially compared to the images so many people have seen already of police violence. But it depends on the intent of the movie. If you're using it to attract people to the movement you walk a different line but personally that starts to feel a bit like propoganda to me. Ultimately the amount of documentation of this movement is so immense I think the images will balance each other out. If you're going to cut out some police heckling, you might as well cut out the girl saying "I guess we're not ALL anti-state but we are anticapitalist" (paraphrase) and things like that too. i see everyone's point. really fucking interesting. much love On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 12:34 AM, Devin Balkind <devin@beex.org> wrote: I think media, internet, outreach/pr, etc should collaborate to make curation decisions about featuring content on nycga media properties. Something like a curation committee...?
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 4:38 PM, Peter Azen <peterazen@gmail.com> wrote: I think the video looks beautiful, really well shot and edited. But I also agree with Katie. I think a good point is to try and get the police to notice that we are fighting for their futures as well and this video is just separating us even more. Apart from that section I dig it a lot.
---------- Forwarded message ---------From: <andrew@thehumanchannel.org> Date: Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 3:48 PM Subject: Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] we the people have found our voice To: globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com YES Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
From: NathanCantRead <nathancantread@gmail.com> Sender: globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 15:19:20 -0400 To: globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com<globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com > ReplyTo: globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] we the people have found our voice There is enough spin & smear about OWS without us providing target practice for them. Objective journalism is a myth. Media ethics exist within a bias. The collective message is our ethic. In short: of course we should not include police heckling, it adds nothing to the cause & makes us look petty. Anger is for the weak-minded. Sent from iP On Oct 11, 2011, at 3:10 PM, DMS <davidscameracraft@gmail.com> wrote: I for one do not think we should include the police heckling. Though I laugh at how much money is being used to police this action and they were very underhanded and over handed in the first 3 weeks. I know that is not what we are about and it might play into the outside medias ability to portray us a certain way. Though they will do whatever they want any way. But we do not want to condone it because we are setting a tone of behavior for people who are not even here yet. People who have not come to the park and joined. People who have never been at a protest before. We attract what we show on our promo videos. So do we want people to come because they want to heckle the police. Just a thought. David On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 2:40 PM, Katie Davison <katiedavison@rogueproduction.com> wrote:
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 1:26 PM, Katie Davison <katiedavison@rogueproduction.com> wrote: I agree with you on some level Kari, but we can not forget that what makes this different than anything prior to it is technology and social media. We have the capacity to work in outreach and movement building, i.e. go beyond purely documenting. I would argue that we have the responsibility to do so as a working group servicing the GA. I want to discuss this further in today's meeting, but concerning heckling - that is not what this movement is about. We are inclusive, not exclusive. We want to speak to the police in a way that makes them understand that they should join us. I think heckling is irresponsible and childish on any protestor's part. That doesn't mean we can't archive a fair portrayal of what is actually happening on the ground, but posting things like that on our website implies that we support that kind of behavior... which feeds the negative portrayal of us that is already floating around in the mainstream media. We have a responsibility to be better than that... this is about a fundamental value system underlying our Declaration of Solidarity. Our media team and messaging should be reflective of that value system. Return-Path: <globalrevolutionmedia+bnccmiutiypdbdj6th0bboebf7rrg@googlegroups.com> Received: from mail-vx0-f187.google.com [209.85.220.187] by mail35.safesecureweb.com with SMTP; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 12:57:09 -0400 Katie's concern speaks to something Abe brought up at yesterday's meeting: what are we doing? Are we purely documenting, representing all our voices and messages? Or are we promoting / framing a more specific message?
I personally like the documentary approach. I think videos of heckling police officers and more radical forms of resistance can and should be balanced with videos of meditation groups, overtly aggressive cops, and all non-radical resistance. I think the OccupyMedia Teams messages should be as scattered as the Occupy Wall Street Movement. And that - like the movement - points of unification will naturally emerge as we begin to work in larger numbers on longer term projects. x, kari
globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com on behalf of Devin Balkind globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] we the people have found our voice Wednesday, October 12, 2011 12:34:32 AM
I think media, internet, outreach/pr, etc should collaborate to make curation decisions about featuring content on nycga media properties. Something like a curation committee...? On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 4:38 PM, Peter Azen <peterazen@gmail.com> wrote: I think the video looks beautiful, really well shot and edited. But I also agree with Katie. I think a good point is to try and get the police to notice that we are fighting for their futures as well and this video is just separating us even more. Apart from that section I dig it a lot.
---------- Forwarded message ---------From: <andrew@thehumanchannel.org> Date: Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 3:48 PM Subject: Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] we the people have found our voice To: globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com YES Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From: NathanCantRead <nathancantread@gmail.com> Sender: globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 15:19:20 -0400 To: globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com<globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com > ReplyTo: globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] we the people have found our voice There is enough spin & smear about OWS without us providing target practice for them. Objective journalism is a myth. Media ethics exist within a bias. The collective message is our ethic. In short: of course we should not include police heckling, it adds nothing to the cause & makes us look petty. Anger is for the weak-minded.
Sent from iP On Oct 11, 2011, at 3:10 PM, DMS <davidscameracraft@gmail.com> wrote: I for one do not think we should include the police heckling. Though I laugh at how much money is being used to police this action and they were very underhanded and over handed in the first 3 weeks. I know that is not what we are about and it might play into the outside medias ability to portray us a certain way. Though they will do whatever they want any way. But we do not want to condone it because we are setting a tone of behavior for people who are not even here yet. People who have not come to the park and joined. People who have never been at a protest before. We attract what we show on our promo videos. So do we want people to come because they want to heckle the police. Just a thought. David On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 2:40 PM, Katie Davison <katiedavison@rogueproduction.com> wrote:
Return-Path: <globalrevolutionmedia+bnccmiutiypdbcli9l0bboedffa6g@googlegroups.com> Received: from mail-qy0-f187.google.com [209.85.216.187] by mail35.safesecureweb.com with SMTP; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 14:06:04 -0400 I agree with much of what you're saying Katie, but I do have some ethical concerns and counterpoints. I think there's a way to include all voices - even the most angry and the most tame, while representing the majority in the middle proportionately. I didn't see any violence in the video, and I believe anger toward the NYPD is valid, though I do agree that we should also make videos that try to get police forces on our side. The movement may eventually risk subgroups breaking away if the Media Team / website does not represent everyone. I think we can figure out a way to do this responsibly and with the goals of the movement in mind. I can't make the meeting today, but I'll be there all day tomorrow. Maybe we could wait a day or two before deciding whether or not to post this video? (This is a media
group decision - right?) SORRY if this debate is getting too nit-picky. It's not really about this particular video, it's more about the bigger conversation of the Media Team's purpose.
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 1:26 PM, Katie Davison <katiedavison@rogueproduction.com> wrote: I agree with you on some level Kari, but we can not forget that what makes this different than anything prior to it is technology and social media. We have the capacity to work in outreach and movement building, i.e. go beyond purely documenting. I would argue that we have the responsibility to do so as a working group servicing the GA. I want to discuss this further in today's meeting, but concerning heckling - that is not what this movement is about. We are inclusive, not exclusive. We want to speak to the police in a way that makes them understand that they should join us. I think heckling is irresponsible and childish on any protestor's part. That doesn't mean we can't archive a fair portrayal of what is actually happening on the ground, but posting things like that on our website implies that we support that kind of behavior... which feeds the negative portrayal of us that is already floating around in the mainstream media. We have a responsibility to be better than that... this is about a fundamental value system underlying our Declaration of Solidarity. Our media team and messaging should be reflective of that value system. Return-Path: <globalrevolutionmedia+bnccmiutiypdbdj6th0bboebf7rrg@googlegroups.com> Received: from mail-vx0-f187.google.com [209.85.220.187] by mail35.safesecureweb.com with SMTP; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 12:57:09 -0400 Katie's concern speaks to something Abe brought up at yesterday's meeting: what are we doing? Are we purely documenting, representing all our voices and messages? Or are we promoting / framing a more specific message? I personally like the documentary approach. I think videos of heckling police officers and more radical forms of resistance can and should be balanced with videos of meditation groups, overtly aggressive cops, and all non-radical resistance. I think the OccupyMedia Teams messages should be as scattered as the Occupy Wall Street Movement. And that - like the movement - points of unification will naturally emerge as we begin to work in larger numbers on longer term projects. x, kari
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Katie Davison <katiedavison@rogueproduction.com> wrote: This is great, but I have a problem with the bit on the cops - specifically the heckling. I don't think that's a proper reflection of what we represent, or should represent.
I know that's nit picky, but if we're posting it on our websites, I think we have to consider messaging... Return-Path: <globalrevolutionmedia+bnccpfn9onkelzx0fqeggridous@googlegroups.com> Received: from mail-bw0-f59.google.com [209.85.214.59] by mail35.safesecureweb.com with SMTP; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 12:15:58 -0400 Hi everyone! The filmmakers who brought us Nobody can predict the moment of Revolution have made a longer film, and they'd like to post it on the nycga and occupywallstreet websites. Can we make this happen? Marisa It's posted here: http://vimeo.com/30241489
globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com on behalf of Daniel Levine globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] we the people have found our voice Wednesday, October 12, 2011 1:58:28 AM
well, you convinced me. It's a complicated issue and that footage doesn't address the context. On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 1:48 AM, John Kersten <johnnyk327@gmail.com> wrote: I am AGAINST posting. While it is true that many of us resent the police presence- and with good reason- it would not be fair to portray these sentiments without simultaneously explaining them in earnest. This video does not do that. It simply shows an anti-police attitude out of context. Most people out there are likely not aware of the conduct the NYPD has shown us (they likely know that people were arrested on the bridge, but not how many or why), when actually our relationship with the NYPD is very complicated, and I do not believe it would be appropriate or democratic to only present one side of this highly sensitive, multi-faceted issue. John Kersten Director/DIT JohnnyK327@gmail.com 206-999-1281 vimeo.com/johnnyk On Oct 12, 2011, at 1:07 AM, Daniel Levine <danieltrumpets@gmail.com> wrote: I think this is beautifully done! But, I don't think it could ever be called objective by any stretch of the imagination. It's clearly supportive of the movement, which I, personally, am fine with. Should there be some distinction made between documentaries like these and day to day reportage? This has been a seriously interesting thread to read and consider and these are hard questions. I have to say I didn't think the heckling shown in the movie was all that serious, especially compared to the images so many people have seen already of police violence. But it depends on the intent of the movie. If you're using it to attract people to the movement you walk a different line but personally that starts to feel a bit like propoganda to me. Ultimately the amount of documentation of this movement is so immense I think the images will balance each other out. If you're going to cut out some police heckling, you might as well cut out the girl saying "I guess we're not ALL antistate but we are anti-capitalist" (paraphrase) and things like that too. i see everyone's point. really fucking interesting. much love On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 12:34 AM, Devin Balkind <devin@beex.org> wrote: I think media, internet, outreach/pr, etc should collaborate to make curation decisions about featuring content on nycga media properties. Something like a curation committee...?
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 4:38 PM, Peter Azen <peterazen@gmail.com> wrote: I think the video looks beautiful, really well shot and edited. But I also agree with Katie. I think a good point is to try and get the police to notice that we are fighting for their futures as well and this video is just separating us even more.
Apart from that section I dig it a lot.
---------- Forwarded message ---------From: <andrew@thehumanchannel.org> Date: Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 3:48 PM Subject: Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] we the people have found our voice To: globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com YES Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From: NathanCantRead <nathancantread@gmail.com> Sender: globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 15:19:20 -0400 To: globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com<globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com > ReplyTo: globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] we the people have found our voice There is enough spin & smear about OWS without us providing target practice for them. Objective journalism is a myth. Media ethics exist within a bias. The collective message is our ethic. In short: of course we should not include police heckling, it adds nothing to the cause & makes us look petty. Anger is for the weak-minded. Sent from iP On Oct 11, 2011, at 3:10 PM, DMS <davidscameracraft@gmail.com> wrote: I for one do not think we should include the police heckling. Though I laugh at how much money is being used to police this action and they were very underhanded and over handed in the first 3 weeks. I know that is not what we are about and it might play into the outside medias ability to portray us a certain way. Though they will do whatever they want any way. But we do not want to condone it because we are setting a tone of behavior for people who are not even here yet. People who have not come to the park and joined. People who have never been at a protest before. We attract what we show on our promo videos. So do we want people to come because they want to heckle the police.
Just a thought. David On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 2:40 PM, Katie Davison <katiedavison@rogueproduction.com> wrote:
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 1:26 PM, Katie Davison <katiedavison@rogueproduction.com> wrote: I agree with you on some level Kari, but we can not forget that what makes this different than anything prior to it is technology and social media. We have the capacity to work in outreach and movement building, i.e. go beyond purely documenting. I would argue that we have the responsibility to do so as a working group servicing the GA. I want to discuss this further in today's meeting, but concerning heckling - that is not what this movement is about. We are inclusive, not exclusive. We want to speak to the police in a way that makes them understand that they should join us. I think heckling is irresponsible and childish on any protestor's part. That doesn't mean we can't archive a fair portrayal of what is actually happening on the ground, but posting things like that on our website implies that we support that kind of behavior... which feeds the negative portrayal of us that is already floating around in the mainstream media. We have a responsibility to be better than that... this is about a fundamental value system underlying our Declaration of Solidarity. Our media team and messaging should be reflective of that value system.
Return-Path: <globalrevolutionmedia+bnccmiutiypdbdj6th0bboebf7rrg@googlegroups.com> Received: from mail-vx0-f187.google.com [209.85.220.187] by mail35.safesecureweb.com with SMTP; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 12:57:09 -0400 Katie's concern speaks to something Abe brought up at yesterday's meeting: what are we doing? Are we purely documenting, representing all our voices and messages? Or are we promoting / framing a more specific message? I personally like the documentary approach. I think videos of heckling police officers and more radical forms of resistance can and should be balanced with videos of meditation groups, overtly aggressive cops, and all non-radical resistance. I think the OccupyMedia Teams messages should be as scattered as the Occupy Wall Street Movement. And that - like the movement - points of unification will naturally emerge as we begin to work in larger numbers on longer term projects. x, kari
globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com on behalf of Martyna Starosta globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] we the people nypd heckling Wednesday, October 12, 2011 7:38:10 PM
Great, Andrew! Thanks you so much. Martyna --Martyna Starosta Film Detective Red Channels Sucide or Solidarity? Facebook: Valerie Solanas Reloaded
Von: "andrew@thehumanchannel.org" <andrew@thehumanchannel.org> An: globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Gesendet: 19:32 Mittwoch, 12.Oktober 2011 Betreff: Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] we the people nypd heckling
Martyna, its andrew, I'll ask everyone to continue their best attempt at transparency! Ha what a joke. I'll make sure it gets on the web-but the site is changing tomorrow to god knows what. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From: Martyna Starosta <martynastarosta@yahoo.de> Sender: globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 00:24:10 +0100 (BST) To: globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com<globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com> ReplyTo: globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] we the people nypd heckling I would love to come in person but am teaching today, and tomorrow. How do we proceed? Can I call someone's phone number to catch up? Best, Martnya --Martyna Starosta Film Detective Red Channels Sucide or Solidarity? Facebook: Valerie Solanas Reloaded
Von: "owsmedia@gmail.com" <owsmedia@gmail.com> An: globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Gesendet: 19:17 Mittwoch, 12.Oktober 2011 Betreff: Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] we the people nypd heckling
Martyna come to the open source meeting at 830 at red sculpture. We need to have a web area for all people to post. Solidarity of the whole for the autonomy of the individual. From: Martyna Starosta <martynastarosta@yahoo.de> Sender: globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 00:13:38 +0100 (BST) To: globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com<globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com> ReplyTo: globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] we the people nypd heckling Hello, I suggest once again: Let's post the video on occupywallst.org with a disclaimer: "The perspective of this video doesn't represent the whole OWS Movement" Who is in charge of posting? Best, Martyna --Martyna Starosta Film Detective Red Channels Sucide or Solidarity? Facebook: Valerie Solanas Reloaded
After watching, the heckling part I thought was fine because the cops are still smiling. I did very much want to see the faces of the voices speaking. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From: Martyna Starosta <martynastarosta@yahoo.de> Sender: globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 23:37:37 +0100 (BST) To: globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com<globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com> ReplyTo: globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] we the people nypd heckling Hello there, After reading all this different points of view:
How do we make a decision about showing, or not showing the video? Martyna PS: Andrew, Why don't you watch the video first, and then add your voice to the discussion?
--Martyna Starosta Film Detective Red Channels Sucide or Solidarity? Facebook: Valerie Solanas Reloaded
Von: Prudence Katze <prudencekatze@gmail.com> An: globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Gesendet: 18:25 Mittwoch, 12.Oktober 2011 Betreff: Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] we the people nypd heckling
"The time for opposition has passed"? You mean, the opposition that doesn't take away tarps, pepper-spray, or put on tight hand-cuffs? You mean the opposition that is composed of us occupying a space day after day after day. The whole world is full of oppositions, we are working as a constantly changing agent of provocation. You do a dis-service to everyone to think that you speak for 100% of the population - because no one has the capacity to do that. We can strive to understand where others are coming from, to appreciate difference and try to stay away from stasis, but none of us will be able to represent the totality of everyone else's experience. When you speak of altruism, do you mean JPMorgan donating $4.9 million to the NYPD while the Bloomberg administration lays off over 600 teachers? Perhaps you should listen to this zizek speech: "Remember: the problem is not corruption or greed. The problem is the system that pushes you to give up. Beware not only of the enemies. But also of false friends who are already working to dilute this process." http://ecologywithoutnature.blogspot.com/2011/10/zizeks-talk-at-occupy-wall-st.html Why sugar coat an actual exciting process that is constantly evolving? There are so many positive things happening at OWS, but we are always on the precipice of the legal gray area (as we should be). Pretending like the police are our friends and are putting flowers in their own gun barrels voluntarily is akin to farcical censorship. in solidarity, Prudence On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 3:21 PM, <andrew@thehumanchannel.org> wrote: Hi Martyna thank you for your lovely videos in which I see the best in my friends.
We are the 100%, the whole, including the police. The time for opposition is passed, we have a voice, just like you said, so use it for altruism please. Also, I haven't seen the video yet, but I did stay at a holiday inn last night. Andrew Anarchic College Media Ed. Fac. I'm Tom from the internet. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----From: Martyna Starosta <martynastarosta@yahoo.de> Sender: globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 06:40:59 To: Global Revolution Media<globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com> Reply-To: globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Subject: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] Re: we the people have found our voice Hello there, This is Martyna. Iva and I made the video WE THE PEOPLE HAVE FOUND OUR VOICE which is beig discussed in this email. I am glad that the video provoked such a rich discussion in which people bring in very different points of view. And, I strongly believe that this wide range of conflicting perspectives should be represented on the main website. There has been a lot of talk about creating a movement that is as inclusive as possible. It was also said that "our" relationship with the NYPD is complex, and that "we" are fighting for them too. Personally, I didn't join the OWS movement to fight for the pensions of the NYPD, on the contrary, I joined it to fight a whole system of oppression which converges in the prison industrial-complex (Cornel West brought this aspect up too). There are different opinions within OWS about positioning ourselves toward individual NYPD officers. Mine is that the "working class officers" have also options, they can, for instance, collectively decide to stop arresting people, go on strike, find another job etc. And I feel that OWS is risking to loose a lot of people who share my
perspective - if it tries to converge the multiplicity of voices into one "all inclusive" entity. It is interesting that the whole discussion sparked around the representation of the police. Filtering out the voices which are the most "representative," and silencing other, seems like "self-policing" to me. I believe that mixed tactics form the strength of the movement. Our video is not sexist, racist, antisemtic - This would be against the principles of solidarity which were declared by OWS. It gives voice to the anger against the NYPD which forms part of a larger system of oppression. To me, this anger is legitimate for obvious reasons - even though it's not "contextualized" within the video. There's is already enough diversity in the general coverage of OWS and I agree with the person who said that the different voices will balance each other our in an organic way if we allow them to be heard. WE THE PEOPLE HAVE FOUND OUR VOICE - doesn't imply that we speak with one voice, but that we create a political space in which conflicting opinions encounter each other. I suggest, to post the video with a short comment saying: "This video articulates a particular point of view which is not representative for the whole movement." (You can also include more specific objections) What are your thoughts? Martyna On Oct 11, 12:15 pm, Marisa Holmes <marisahol...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi everyone! > > The filmmakers who brought us Nobody can predict the moment of Revolution > have made a longer film, and they'd like to post it on the nycga and > occupywallstreet websites. > Can we make this happen? > > Marisa > > It's posted here:http://vimeo.com/30241489
I would love to come in person but am teaching today, and tomorrow. How do we proceed? Can I call someone's phone number to catch up? Best, Martnya --Martyna Starosta Film Detective Red Channels Sucide or Solidarity? Facebook: Valerie Solanas Reloaded
Von: "owsmedia@gmail.com" <owsmedia@gmail.com> An: globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Gesendet: 19:17 Mittwoch, 12.Oktober 2011 Betreff: Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] we the people nypd heckling
Martyna come to the open source meeting at 830 at red sculpture. We need to have a web area for all people to post. Solidarity of the whole for the autonomy of the individual. From: Martyna Starosta <martynastarosta@yahoo.de> Sender: globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 00:13:38 +0100 (BST) To: globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com<globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com> ReplyTo: globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] we the people nypd heckling Hello, I suggest once again: Let's post the video on occupywallst.org with a disclaimer: "The perspective of this video doesn't represent the whole OWS Movement" Who is in charge of posting? Best, Martyna --Martyna Starosta Film Detective Red Channels Sucide or Solidarity? Facebook: Valerie Solanas Reloaded
After watching, the heckling part I thought was fine because the cops are still smiling. I did very much want to see the faces of the voices speaking. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From: Martyna Starosta <martynastarosta@yahoo.de> Sender: globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 23:37:37 +0100 (BST) To: globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com<globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com> ReplyTo: globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] we the people nypd heckling Hello there, After reading all this different points of view: How do we make a decision about showing, or not showing the video? Martyna PS: Andrew, Why don't you watch the video first, and then add your voice to the discussion?
"The time for opposition has passed"? You mean, the opposition that doesn't take away tarps, pepper-spray, or put on tight hand-cuffs? You mean the opposition that is composed of us occupying a space day after day after day. The whole world is full of oppositions, we are working as a constantly changing agent of provocation. You do a dis-service to everyone to think that you speak for 100% of the population - because no one has the capacity to do that. We can strive to understand where others are coming from, to appreciate difference and try to stay away from stasis, but none of us will be able to represent the totality of everyone
else's experience. When you speak of altruism, do you mean JPMorgan donating $4.9 million to the NYPD while the Bloomberg administration lays off over 600 teachers? Perhaps you should listen to this zizek speech: "Remember: the problem is not corruption or greed. The problem is the system that pushes you to give up. Beware not only of the enemies. But also of false friends who are already working to dilute this process." http://ecologywithoutnature.blogspot.com/2011/10/zizeks-talk-at-occupy-wall-st.html Why sugar coat an actual exciting process that is constantly evolving? There are so many positive things happening at OWS, but we are always on the precipice of the legal gray area (as we should be). Pretending like the police are our friends and are putting flowers in their own gun barrels voluntarily is akin to farcical censorship. in solidarity, Prudence On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 3:21 PM, <andrew@thehumanchannel.org> wrote: Hi Martyna thank you for your lovely videos in which I see the best in my friends. We are the 100%, the whole, including the police. The time for opposition is passed, we have a voice, just like you said, so use it for altruism please. Also, I haven't seen the video yet, but I did stay at a holiday inn last night. Andrew Anarchic College Media Ed. Fac. I'm Tom from the internet. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----From: Martyna Starosta <martynastarosta@yahoo.de> Sender: globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 06:40:59 To: Global Revolution Media<globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com> Reply-To: globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Subject: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] Re: we the people have found our voice Hello there, This is Martyna. Iva and I made the video WE THE PEOPLE HAVE FOUND OUR VOICE which is beig discussed in this email.
I am glad that the video provoked such a rich discussion in which people bring in very different points of view. And, I strongly believe that this wide range of conflicting perspectives should be represented on the main website. There has been a lot of talk about creating a movement that is as inclusive as possible. It was also said that "our" relationship with the NYPD is complex, and that "we" are fighting for them too. Personally, I didn't join the OWS movement to fight for the pensions of the NYPD, on the contrary, I joined it to fight a whole system of oppression which converges in the prison industrial-complex (Cornel West brought this aspect up too). There are different opinions within OWS about positioning ourselves toward individual NYPD officers. Mine is that the "working class officers" have also options, they can, for instance, collectively decide to stop arresting people, go on strike, find another job etc. And I feel that OWS is risking to loose a lot of people who share my perspective - if it tries to converge the multiplicity of voices into one "all inclusive" entity. It is interesting that the whole discussion sparked around the representation of the police. Filtering out the voices which are the most "representative," and silencing other, seems like "self-policing" to me. I believe that mixed tactics form the strength of the movement. Our video is not sexist, racist, antisemtic - This would be against the principles of solidarity which were declared by OWS. It gives voice to the anger against the NYPD which forms part of a larger system of oppression. To me, this anger is legitimate for obvious reasons - even though it's not "contextualized" within the video. There's is already enough diversity in the general coverage of OWS and I agree with the person who said that the different voices will balance each other our in an organic way if we allow them to be heard. WE THE PEOPLE HAVE FOUND OUR VOICE - doesn't imply that we speak with one voice, but that we create a political space in which conflicting opinions encounter each other. I suggest, to post the video with a short comment saying: "This video articulates a particular point of view which is not representative for the whole movement."
(You can also include more specific objections) What are your thoughts? Martyna On Oct 11, 12:15 pm, Marisa Holmes <marisahol...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi everyone! > > The filmmakers who brought us Nobody can predict the moment of Revolution > have made a longer film, and they'd like to post it on the nycga and > occupywallstreet websites. > Can we make this happen? > > Marisa > > It's posted here:http://vimeo.com/30241489
Hello, I suggest once again: Let's post the video on occupywallst.org with a disclaimer: "The perspective of this video doesn't represent the whole OWS Movement" Who is in charge of posting? Best, Martyna --Martyna Starosta Film Detective Red Channels Sucide or Solidarity? Facebook: Valerie Solanas Reloaded
"The time for opposition has passed"? You mean, the opposition that doesn't take away tarps, pepper-spray, or put on tight hand-cuffs? You mean the opposition that is composed of us occupying a space day after day after day. The whole world is full of oppositions, we are working as a constantly changing agent of provocation. You do a dis-service to everyone to think that you speak for 100% of the population - because no one has the capacity to do that. We can strive to understand where others are coming from, to appreciate difference and try to stay away from stasis, but none of us will be able to represent the totality of everyone else's experience. When you speak of altruism, do you mean JPMorgan donating $4.9 million to the NYPD while the Bloomberg administration lays off over 600 teachers? Perhaps you should listen to this zizek speech: "Remember: the problem is not corruption or greed. The problem is the system that pushes you to give up. Beware not only of the enemies. But also of false friends who are already working to dilute this process." http://ecologywithoutnature.blogspot.com/2011/10/zizeks-talk-at-occupy-wall-st.html Why sugar coat an actual exciting process that is constantly evolving? There are so many positive things happening at OWS, but we are always on the precipice of the legal gray area (as we should be). Pretending like the police are our friends and are putting flowers in their own gun barrels voluntarily is akin to farcical censorship. in solidarity, Prudence On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 3:21 PM, <andrew@thehumanchannel.org> wrote: Hi Martyna thank you for your lovely videos in which I see the best in my friends. We are the 100%, the whole, including the police. The time for opposition is passed, we have a voice, just like you said, so use it for altruism please. Also, I haven't seen the video yet, but I did stay at a holiday inn last night.
Andrew Anarchic College Media Ed. Fac. I'm Tom from the internet. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----From: Martyna Starosta <martynastarosta@yahoo.de> Sender: globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 06:40:59 To: Global Revolution Media<globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com> Reply-To: globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Subject: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] Re: we the people have found our voice Hello there, This is Martyna. Iva and I made the video WE THE PEOPLE HAVE FOUND OUR VOICE which is beig discussed in this email. I am glad that the video provoked such a rich discussion in which people bring in very different points of view. And, I strongly believe that this wide range of conflicting perspectives should be represented on the main website. There has been a lot of talk about creating a movement that is as inclusive as possible. It was also said that "our" relationship with the NYPD is complex, and that "we" are fighting for them too. Personally, I didn't join the OWS movement to fight for the pensions of the NYPD, on the contrary, I joined it to fight a whole system of oppression which converges in the prison industrial-complex (Cornel West brought this aspect up too). There are different opinions within OWS about positioning ourselves toward individual NYPD officers. Mine is that the "working class officers" have also options, they can, for instance, collectively decide to stop arresting people, go on strike, find another job etc. And I feel that OWS is risking to loose a lot of people who share my perspective - if it tries to converge the multiplicity of voices into one "all inclusive" entity. It is interesting that the whole discussion sparked around the representation of the police. Filtering out the voices which are the most "representative," and silencing other, seems like "self-policing" to me.
I believe that mixed tactics form the strength of the movement. Our video is not sexist, racist, antisemtic - This would be against the principles of solidarity which were declared by OWS. It gives voice to the anger against the NYPD which forms part of a larger system of oppression. To me, this anger is legitimate for obvious reasons - even though it's not "contextualized" within the video. There's is already enough diversity in the general coverage of OWS and I agree with the person who said that the different voices will balance each other our in an organic way if we allow them to be heard. WE THE PEOPLE HAVE FOUND OUR VOICE - doesn't imply that we speak with one voice, but that we create a political space in which conflicting opinions encounter each other. I suggest, to post the video with a short comment saying: "This video articulates a particular point of view which is not representative for the whole movement." (You can also include more specific objections) What are your thoughts? Martyna On Oct 11, 12:15 pm, Marisa Holmes <marisahol...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi everyone! > > The filmmakers who brought us Nobody can predict the moment of Revolution > have made a longer film, and they'd like to post it on the nycga and > occupywallstreet websites. > Can we make this happen? > > Marisa > > It's posted here:http://vimeo.com/30241489
globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com on behalf of andrew@thehumanchannel.org globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] we the people nypd heckling Wednesday, October 12, 2011 6:51:57 PM
"The time for opposition has passed"? You mean, the opposition that doesn't take away tarps, pepper-spray, or put on tight hand-cuffs? You mean the opposition that is composed of us occupying a space day after day after day. The whole world is full of oppositions, we are working as a constantly changing agent of provocation. You do a dis-service to everyone to think that you speak for 100% of the population - because no one has the capacity to do that. We can strive to understand where others are coming from, to appreciate difference and try to
stay away from stasis, but none of us will be able to represent the totality of everyone else's experience. When you speak of altruism, do you mean JPMorgan donating $4.9 million to the NYPD while the Bloomberg administration lays off over 600 teachers? Perhaps you should listen to this zizek speech: "Remember: the problem is not corruption or greed. The problem is the system that pushes you to give up. Beware not only of the enemies. But also of false friends who are already working to dilute this process." http://ecologywithoutnature.blogspot.com/2011/10/zizeks-talk-at-occupy-wall-st.html Why sugar coat an actual exciting process that is constantly evolving? There are so many positive things happening at OWS, but we are always on the precipice of the legal gray area (as we should be). Pretending like the police are our friends and are putting flowers in their own gun barrels voluntarily is akin to farcical censorship. in solidarity, Prudence On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 3:21 PM, <andrew@thehumanchannel.org> wrote: Hi Martyna thank you for your lovely videos in which I see the best in my friends. We are the 100%, the whole, including the police. The time for opposition is passed, we have a voice, just like you said, so use it for altruism please. Also, I haven't seen the video yet, but I did stay at a holiday inn last night. Andrew Anarchic College Media Ed. Fac. I'm Tom from the internet. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----From: Martyna Starosta <martynastarosta@yahoo.de> Sender: globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 06:40:59 To: Global Revolution Media<globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com> Reply-To: globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Subject: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] Re: we the people have found our voice Hello there, This is Martyna. Iva and I made the video WE THE PEOPLE HAVE FOUND OUR VOICE which is beig discussed in this email.
I am glad that the video provoked such a rich discussion in which people bring in very different points of view. And, I strongly believe that this wide range of conflicting perspectives should be represented on the main website. There has been a lot of talk about creating a movement that is as inclusive as possible. It was also said that "our" relationship with the NYPD is complex, and that "we" are fighting for them too. Personally, I didn't join the OWS movement to fight for the pensions of the NYPD, on the contrary, I joined it to fight a whole system of oppression which converges in the prison industrial-complex (Cornel West brought this aspect up too). There are different opinions within OWS about positioning ourselves toward individual NYPD officers. Mine is that the "working class officers" have also options, they can, for instance, collectively decide to stop arresting people, go on strike, find another job etc. And I feel that OWS is risking to loose a lot of people who share my perspective - if it tries to converge the multiplicity of voices into one "all inclusive" entity. It is interesting that the whole discussion sparked around the representation of the police. Filtering out the voices which are the most "representative," and silencing other, seems like "self-policing" to me. I believe that mixed tactics form the strength of the movement. Our video is not sexist, racist, antisemtic - This would be against the principles of solidarity which were declared by OWS. It gives voice to the anger against the NYPD which forms part of a larger system of oppression. To me, this anger is legitimate for obvious reasons - even though it's not "contextualized" within the video. There's is already enough diversity in the general coverage of OWS and I agree with the person who said that the different voices will balance each other our in an organic way if we allow them to be heard. WE THE PEOPLE HAVE FOUND OUR VOICE - doesn't imply that we speak with one voice, but that we create a political space in which conflicting opinions encounter each other. I suggest, to post the video with a short comment saying: "This video articulates a particular point of view which is not representative for the whole movement." (You can also include more specific objections)
What are your thoughts? Martyna On Oct 11, 12:15 pm, Marisa Holmes <marisahol...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi everyone! > > The filmmakers who brought us Nobody can predict the moment of Revolution > have made a longer film, and they'd like to post it on the nycga and > occupywallstreet websites. > Can we make this happen? > > Marisa > > It's posted here:http://vimeo.com/30241489
Hello there, After reading all this different points of view: How do we make a decision about showing, or not showing the video? Martyna PS: Andrew, Why don't you watch the video first, and then add your voice to the discussion?
"The time for opposition has passed"? You mean, the opposition that doesn't take away tarps, pepper-spray, or put on tight hand-cuffs? You mean the opposition that is composed of us occupying a space day after day after day. The whole world is full of oppositions, we are working as a constantly changing agent of provocation. You do a dis-service to everyone to think that you speak for 100% of the population - because no one has the capacity to do that. We can strive to understand where others are coming from, to appreciate difference and try to stay away from stasis, but none of us will be able to represent the totality of everyone else's experience. When you speak of altruism, do you mean JPMorgan donating $4.9 million to the NYPD while the Bloomberg administration lays off over 600 teachers? Perhaps you should listen to this zizek speech: "Remember: the problem is not corruption or greed. The problem is the system that pushes you to give up. Beware not only of the enemies. But also of false friends who are already working to dilute this process." http://ecologywithoutnature.blogspot.com/2011/10/zizeks-talk-at-occupy-wall-st.html Why sugar coat an actual exciting process that is constantly evolving? There are so many
positive things happening at OWS, but we are always on the precipice of the legal gray area (as we should be). Pretending like the police are our friends and are putting flowers in their own gun barrels voluntarily is akin to farcical censorship. in solidarity, Prudence On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 3:21 PM, <andrew@thehumanchannel.org> wrote: Hi Martyna thank you for your lovely videos in which I see the best in my friends. We are the 100%, the whole, including the police. The time for opposition is passed, we have a voice, just like you said, so use it for altruism please. Also, I haven't seen the video yet, but I did stay at a holiday inn last night. Andrew Anarchic College Media Ed. Fac. I'm Tom from the internet. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----From: Martyna Starosta <martynastarosta@yahoo.de> Sender: globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 06:40:59 To: Global Revolution Media<globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com> Reply-To: globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Subject: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] Re: we the people have found our voice Hello there, This is Martyna. Iva and I made the video WE THE PEOPLE HAVE FOUND OUR VOICE which is beig discussed in this email. I am glad that the video provoked such a rich discussion in which people bring in very different points of view. And, I strongly believe that this wide range of conflicting perspectives should be represented on the main website. There has been a lot of talk about creating a movement that is as inclusive as possible. It was also said that "our" relationship with the NYPD is complex, and that "we" are fighting for them too. Personally, I didn't join the OWS movement to fight for the pensions of the NYPD, on the contrary, I joined it to fight a whole system of oppression
which converges in the prison industrial-complex (Cornel West brought this aspect up too). There are different opinions within OWS about positioning ourselves toward individual NYPD officers. Mine is that the "working class officers" have also options, they can, for instance, collectively decide to stop arresting people, go on strike, find another job etc. And I feel that OWS is risking to loose a lot of people who share my perspective - if it tries to converge the multiplicity of voices into one "all inclusive" entity. It is interesting that the whole discussion sparked around the representation of the police. Filtering out the voices which are the most "representative," and silencing other, seems like "self-policing" to me. I believe that mixed tactics form the strength of the movement. Our video is not sexist, racist, antisemtic - This would be against the principles of solidarity which were declared by OWS. It gives voice to the anger against the NYPD which forms part of a larger system of oppression. To me, this anger is legitimate for obvious reasons - even though it's not "contextualized" within the video. There's is already enough diversity in the general coverage of OWS and I agree with the person who said that the different voices will balance each other our in an organic way if we allow them to be heard. WE THE PEOPLE HAVE FOUND OUR VOICE - doesn't imply that we speak with one voice, but that we create a political space in which conflicting opinions encounter each other. I suggest, to post the video with a short comment saying: "This video articulates a particular point of view which is not representative for the whole movement." (You can also include more specific objections) What are your thoughts? Martyna On Oct 11, 12:15 pm, Marisa Holmes <marisahol...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi everyone! > > The filmmakers who brought us Nobody can predict the moment of Revolution > have made a longer film, and they'd like to post it on the nycga and > occupywallstreet websites. > Can we make this happen? >
> Marisa > > It's posted here:http://vimeo.com/30241489
globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com on behalf of Prudence Katze globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] we the people nypd heckling Wednesday, October 12, 2011 6:26:11 PM
"The time for opposition has passed"? You mean, the opposition that doesn't take away tarps, pepper-spray, or put on tight hand-cuffs? You mean the opposition that is composed of us occupying a space day after day after day. The whole world is full of oppositions, we are working as a constantly changing agent of provocation. You do a dis-service to everyone to think that you speak for 100% of the population because no one has the capacity to do that. We can strive to understand where others are coming from, to appreciate difference and try to stay away from stasis, but none of us will be able to represent the totality of everyone else's experience. When you speak of altruism, do you mean JPMorgan donating $4.9 million to the NYPD while the Bloomberg administration lays off over 600 teachers? Perhaps you should listen to this zizek speech: "Remember: the problem is not corruption or greed. The problem is the system that pushes you to give up. Beware not only of the enemies. But also of false friends who are already working to dilute this process." http://ecologywithoutnature.blogspot.com/2011/10/zizeks-talk-at-occupy-wall-st.html Why sugar coat an actual exciting process that is constantly evolving? There are so many positive things happening at OWS, but we are always on the precipice of the legal gray area (as we should be). Pretending like the police are our friends and are putting flowers in their own gun barrels voluntarily is akin to farcical censorship. in solidarity, Prudence On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 3:21 PM, <andrew@thehumanchannel.org> wrote: Hi Martyna thank you for your lovely videos in which I see the best in my friends. We are the 100%, the whole, including the police. The time for opposition is passed, we have a voice, just like you said, so use it for altruism please. Also, I haven't seen the video yet, but I did stay at a holiday inn last night. Andrew Anarchic College Media Ed. Fac. I'm Tom from the internet. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----From: Martyna Starosta <martynastarosta@yahoo.de> Sender: globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 06:40:59
To: Global Revolution Media<globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com> Reply-To: globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Subject: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] Re: we the people have found our voice Hello there, This is Martyna. Iva and I made the video WE THE PEOPLE HAVE FOUND OUR VOICE which is beig discussed in this email. I am glad that the video provoked such a rich discussion in which people bring in very different points of view. And, I strongly believe that this wide range of conflicting perspectives should be represented on the main website. There has been a lot of talk about creating a movement that is as inclusive as possible. It was also said that "our" relationship with the NYPD is complex, and that "we" are fighting for them too. Personally, I didn't join the OWS movement to fight for the pensions of the NYPD, on the contrary, I joined it to fight a whole system of oppression which converges in the prison industrial-complex (Cornel West brought this aspect up too). There are different opinions within OWS about positioning ourselves toward individual NYPD officers. Mine is that the "working class officers" have also options, they can, for instance, collectively decide to stop arresting people, go on strike, find another job etc. And I feel that OWS is risking to loose a lot of people who share my perspective - if it tries to converge the multiplicity of voices into one "all inclusive" entity. It is interesting that the whole discussion sparked around the representation of the police. Filtering out the voices which are the most "representative," and silencing other, seems like "self-policing" to me. I believe that mixed tactics form the strength of the movement. Our video is not sexist, racist, antisemtic - This would be against the principles of solidarity which were declared by OWS. It gives voice to the anger against the NYPD which forms part of a larger system of oppression. To me, this anger is legitimate for obvious reasons - even though it's not "contextualized" within the video. There's is already enough diversity in the general coverage of OWS and I agree with the person who said that the different voices will balance each other our in an organic way if we allow them to be heard. WE THE PEOPLE HAVE FOUND OUR VOICE - doesn't imply that we speak with one voice,
but that we create a political space in which conflicting opinions encounter each other. I suggest, to post the video with a short comment saying: "This video articulates a particular point of view which is not representative for the whole movement." (You can also include more specific objections) What are your thoughts? Martyna On Oct 11, 12:15 pm, Marisa Holmes <marisahol...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi everyone! > > The filmmakers who brought us Nobody can predict the moment of Revolution > have made a longer film, and they'd like to post it on the nycga and > occupywallstreet websites. > Can we make this happen? > > Marisa > > It's posted here:http://vimeo.com/30241489
globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com on behalf of Fix globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] Where are we meeting right now? Wednesday, October 12, 2011 11:53:54 AM
Trinity church Fix Michael Fix (917) 572-8215 Sent from my Star Trek like, mobile communication device, which is destroying language. On Oct 12, 2011 11:18 AM, "J B" <the1sabin@gmail.com> wrote: Just got downtown. Heads up on meeting?
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of beka economopoulos september17@googlegroups.com pr-working-group@googlegroups.com; globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] 6pm TONIGHT: Emergency Press Conference at Occupy Wall Street Thursday, October 13, 2011 3:50:29 PM
It passed GA, has been sent around. b On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 3:37 PM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: What's with the good neighbor policy? That's supposed to be in development, not launched... Justin Wedes Educator & Activist Brooklyn, NY ~ will you #occupy? ~ On Oct 13, 2011, at 3:16 PM, beka economopoulos <beka@notanalternative.net> wrote: ---------- Forwarded message ---------Hi all, There is an emergency press conference at Occupy Wall Street at 6pm tonight being called by the Working Families Party, the Strong Economy for All Coalition, United NY, and New York Communities for Change. Mayor Bloomberg is planning to clear the park at 7am tomorrow morning for cleaning. Any protesters who return will have to follow new rules, which include a ban on tarps, tents, and laying down. (See the Post article copied below for more details.) FYI, at 3pm the occupiers and Community Board 1 are releasing a joint good neighbor policy. At 4pm, BP Stringer and CB1 will be calling on the Mayor to allow the occupiers to stay. Lots of outreach is being done to elected officials and community and labor leaders to come out in support of the occupation. Please spread the word about the mass mobilization at 6am tomorrow morning, right before the park is scheduled to be cleared. Thanks.
The partys over! The citys top cop said today that the Occupy Wall Street protesters who clear out of Zuccotti Park tomorrow so their filthy makeshift campsite can get a much-needed cleaning can come back when the job is finished - but they cant take their tents, coolers and other gear with them. People will have to remove all their belongings and leave the park, Police Commissioner Ray Kelly said After its cleaned, theyll be able to come back. But they wont be able to bring back the gear, the sleeping bags, that sort of thing will not be able to be brought back into the park. The order would put an end to the campout at the park that began on Sept. 17 -- but some of the protesters defiantly vowed not to leave the park as the city has ordered. The powers that be dont like whats happening, and it doesnt surprise me, one protester said this morning. Theyd do anything to get rid of us. But you dont put yourself through all this if youre not serious. Another young man shouted Were not leaving this park! as cops walked by passing out fliers warning them to clear out. Others said they would clean up the park themselves, and a few were already walking around with brooms and picking up garbage. The demonstrators were also expected to head back to Brooklyn this afternoon to gather outside Kings County Supreme Court to protest the weekly auctions of homes that have been foreclosed on.
Wall Street bankers, organizers claimed, knowingly sold mortgages to people who couldnt afford to pay them back. Last time the protesters tried to approach Brooklyn by swarming onto the Brooklyn Bridge cops responded by making more than 700 arrests. Mayor Bloomberg went to the base of the Occupy Wall Street protesters last night to inform them that the parks owners need to clean up tomorrow after the weeks-long rally. But he added they could return once the park is tidied up, officials said. The last three weeks have created unsanitary conditions and considerable wear and tear on the park, a statement from Deputy Mayor Cas Holloway said. The situation is not in the best interests of the protesters, residents or the city. Also yesterday, PETA announced that members dressed as a chicken, cow and pig would show up at the protest friday to protest factory farming.
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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Justin Wedes september17@googlegroups.com pr-working-group@googlegroups.com; globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com; september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] 6pm TONIGHT: Emergency Press Conference at Occupy Wall Street Thursday, October 13, 2011 3:37:33 PM
What's with the good neighbor policy? That's supposed to be in development, not launched... Justin Wedes Educator & Activist Brooklyn, NY ~ will you #occupy? ~ On Oct 13, 2011, at 3:16 PM, beka economopoulos <beka@notanalternative.net> wrote: ---------- Forwarded message ---------Hi all, There is an emergency press conference at Occupy Wall Street at 6pm tonight being called by the Working Families Party, the Strong Economy for All Coalition, United NY, and New York Communities for Change. Mayor Bloomberg is planning to clear the park at 7am tomorrow morning for cleaning. Any protesters who return will have to follow new rules, which include a ban on tarps, tents, and laying down. (See the Post article copied below for more details.) FYI, at 3pm the occupiers and Community Board 1 are releasing a joint good neighbor policy. At 4pm, BP Stringer and CB1 will be calling on the Mayor to allow the occupiers to stay. Lots of outreach is being done to elected officials and community and labor leaders to come out in support of the occupation. Please spread the word about the mass mobilization at 6am tomorrow morning, right before the park is scheduled to be cleared. Thanks.
Wall St. protesters will not be allowed to bring sleeping bags,

tents back into park

By DAVID SEIFMAN and BOB FREDERICKS The partys over! The citys top cop said today that the Occupy Wall Street protesters who clear out of Zuccotti Park tomorrow so their filthy makeshift campsite can get a much-needed cleaning can come back when the job is finished - but they cant take their tents, coolers and other gear with them. People will have to remove all their belongings and leave the park, Police Commissioner Ray Kelly said After its cleaned, theyll be able to come back. But they wont be able to bring back the gear, the sleeping bags, that sort of thing will not be able to be brought back into the park. The order would put an end to the campout at the park that began on Sept. 17 -- but some of the protesters defiantly vowed not to leave the park as the city has ordered. The powers that be dont like whats happening, and it doesnt surprise me, one protester said this morning. Theyd do anything to get rid of us. But you dont put yourself through all this if youre not serious. Another young man shouted Were not leaving this park! as cops walked by passing out fliers warning them to clear out. Others said they would clean up the park themselves, and a few were already walking around with brooms and picking up garbage. The demonstrators were also expected to head back to Brooklyn this afternoon to gather outside Kings County Supreme Court to protest the weekly auctions of homes that have been foreclosed on. Wall Street bankers, organizers claimed, knowingly sold mortgages to people who couldnt afford to pay them back. Last time the protesters tried to approach Brooklyn by swarming
onto the Brooklyn Bridge cops responded by making more than 700 arrests. Mayor Bloomberg went to the base of the Occupy Wall Street protesters last night to inform them that the parks owners need to clean up tomorrow after the weeks-long rally. But he added they could return once the park is tidied up, officials said. The last three weeks have created unsanitary conditions and considerable wear and tear on the park, a statement from Deputy Mayor Cas Holloway said. The situation is not in the best interests of the protesters, residents or the city. Also yesterday, PETA announced that members dressed as a chicken, cow and pig would show up at the protest friday to protest factory farming.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Chris Keeley september17@googlegroups.com RE: [september17discuss] 6pm TONIGHT: Emergency Press Conference at Occupy Wall Street Thursday, October 13, 2011 3:43:07 PM
And is there a cmte working on contingency plans, especially for the moment when Ray Kelly realizes creating a flashpoint during the morning rush hour was dumb idea (or it was sent as a decoy), and then NYPD either delays the cleaning plan until later in the day for when some of the solidarity folks that get there at 6am get tired and leave, or nypd delays it even until after the nighttime rush hour when its less crowded and it didnt drive the news cycle all day? I guess my main questions are, how to keep people energized from 6am if it is in fact a distraction and there isnt some immediate flashpoint, and how do we be sure a second and third wave of people are there throughout the day chris From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Justin Wedes Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 3:37 PM To: september17@googlegroups.com Cc: pr-working-group@googlegroups.com; globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com; september17@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [september17discuss] 6pm TONIGHT: Emergency Press Conference at Occupy Wall Street
What's with the good neighbor policy? That's supposed to be in development, not launched... Justin Wedes Educator & Activist Brooklyn, NY ~ will you #occupy? ~ On Oct 13, 2011, at 3:16 PM, beka economopoulos <beka@notanalternative.net> wrote: ---------- Forwardedmessage ---------Hi all, There is an emergency press conference at Occupy Wall Street at 6pm tonight being called by the Working Families Party, the Strong Economy for All Coalition, United NY, and New York Communities for Change. Mayor Bloomberg is planning to clear the park at 7am tomorrow morning for cleaning. Any protesters who return will have to follow new rules, which include a ban on tarps, tents, and laying down. (See the Post article copied below for more details.) FYI, at 3pm the occupiers and Community Board 1 are releasing a joint good neighbor policy. At 4pm, BP Stringer and CB1 will be calling on the Mayor to allow the occupiers to stay. Lots of outreach is being done to elected officials and community and labor leaders to come out in support of the occupation.
Please spread the word about the mass mobilization at 6am tomorrow morning, right before the park is scheduled to be cleared. Thanks.
The partys over! The citys top cop said today that the Occupy Wall Street protesters who clear out of Zuccotti Park tomorrow so their filthy makeshift campsite can get a much-needed cleaning can come back when the job is finished - but they cant take their tents, coolers and other gear with them. People will have to remove all their belongings and leave the park, Police Commissioner Ray Kelly said After its cleaned, theyll be able to come back. But they wont be able to bring back the gear, the sleeping bags, that sort of thing will not be able to be brought back into the park. The order would put an end to the campout at the park that began on Sept. 17 -- but some of the protesters defiantly vowed not to leave the park as the city has ordered. The powers that be dont like whats happening, and it doesnt surprise me, one protester said this morning. Theyd do anything to get rid of us. But you dont put yourself through all this if youre not serious. Another young man shouted Were not leaving this park! as cops walked by passing out fliers warning them to clear out. Others said they would clean up the park themselves, and a few were already walking around with brooms and picking up garbage. The demonstrators were also expected to head back to Brooklyn this afternoon to gather outside Kings County Supreme Court to protest the
weekly auctions of homes that have been foreclosed on. Wall Street bankers, organizers claimed, knowingly sold mortgages to people who couldnt afford to pay them back. Last time the protesters tried to approach Brooklyn by swarming onto the Brooklyn Bridge cops responded by making more than 700 arrests. Mayor Bloomberg went to the base of the Occupy Wall Street protesters last night to inform them that the parks owners need to clean up tomorrow after the weeks-long rally. But he added they could return once the park is tidied up, officials said. The last three weeks have created unsanitary conditions and considerable wear and tear on the park, a statement from Deputy Mayor Cas Holloway said. The situation is not in the best interests of the protesters, residents or the city. Also yesterday, PETA announced that members dressed as a chicken, cow and pig would show up at the protest friday to protest factory farming.
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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Amy Roberts september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Abridged summary of september17@googlegroups.com - 100 Messages in 21 Topics Wednesday, October 12, 2011 4:59:08 PM
A teach-in on Palestine would be great. Amy On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 11:35 AM, <september17@googlegroups.com> wrote: > Today's Topic Summary > > Group: http://groups.google.com/group/september17/topics > > Chicago press [1 Update] > Demands Working Group [2 Updates] > Zionist speaker at OWS outreach training [15 Updates] > Local NYC Assemblies linked to Wall Street [3 Updates] > MoveOn.Org and Friends Attempt to Co-Opt Occupy Wall Street Movement [31 > Updates] > media person [1 Update] > the next phase [11 Updates] > Make a call for joining NYCGA Committees through webpages and newspaper [3 > Updates] > Fw: Special Report: Taking on Wall Street [2 Updates] > SPANISH TV - Wants to interview Nikky in their Manhattan TV Studio [2 > Updates] > Supporting the local farmers market [1 Update] > Oct 15 Action / environment [1 Update] > Bunrasa Thai Restaurant - New York City - Order food online | Ordering Food > delivery, takeout, Pickup and view restaurants menus | Seamless.com [1 > Update] > collective blog? [5 Updates] > Demands committee and those who want no demands bridging the gap [7 Updates] > Sustainability Committee, CALL TO OTHER COMMITTEES! [3 Updates] > for those discussing OWS and antieviction movements: Fw: Victory! But Is > Occupy Wall Street A Moment or a Movement? [1 Update] > OWS online presence [2 Updates] > [No Subject] [4 Updates] > Expanding: Here's a list of spaces with the same classification as Zuccotti > Park [3 Updates] > Netiquette please! [1 Update] > > Topic: Chicago press > > Lisa Fithian <fithianl@igc.org> Oct 12 09:53AM -0500 ^ > > more... > > Topic: Demands Working Group > > Liliana Gomez <liligomez13@gmail.com> Oct 11 10:48PM -0700 ^ > > The Demands Working Group was formed over a week ago, it is a working > group not a committee. We are discussing how to draft/propose Demands > to the GA, as well as how to strategically win them for more... > > guindave@aol.com Oct 12 10:42AM -0400 ^ >
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Lily I thought last meeting it was discussed that it would be sunday at 2pm where are you getting this 6pm ? -----Original Message----From: Liliana Gomez <liligomez13@gmail.com> more... Topic: Zionist speaker at OWS outreach training "acpollack2@juno.com" <acpollack2@juno.com> Oct 12 01:41AM ^ Tonight (Tuesday) was the first Occupy Wall Street outreach training. I was shocked to hear that the first speaker after the introduction would be an activist from the Israeli "tent protests," the more... Layan Fuleihan <lsfuleihan@gmail.com> Oct 12 03:49AM -0400 ^ I agree wholeheartedly. As an arab-american with Palestinian roots, I've been encouraged by the amount of support and inclusion so far in the square. This is definitely not something I'm used to more... shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> Oct 12 05:46AM -0400 ^ Dear members--these are the same issues and concerns raised by people of color--across the board--as well feminists (code pink) who have expressed the same issues about GA not being open for more... Amin Husain <amin.husain@gmail.com> Oct 12 07:06AM -0400 ^ I am happy to help with a teach-in. more... shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> Oct 12 07:32AM -0400 ^ Can we have a teach in in front of UN? The NYU speak out was successful. Perhaps a UN speak out will also be just as successful to bring attention to the failed policies. more... Amin Husain <amin.husain@gmail.com> Oct 12 07:35AM -0400 ^ Andy and Layan - What do you think is needed to make things better? more... Matthew Presto <matthew.presto@gmail.com> Oct 12 08:12AM -0400 ^ A couple hundred representatives from Students for Justice in Palestine are coming to New York this weekend. There's talk of them coming to the occupation on Sunday afternoon. more... gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> Oct 12 08:43AM -0400 ^ Any acknowledgment of US military oppression and the "war on terror" as well as the stranglehold that corporations have on politics and the economy should include the primary motivation, the largest more...
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Martin Kaminer <martin.kaminer@gmail.com> Oct 12 10:02AM -0400 ^ I'm not clear on the connection between unquenchable thirst for oil and unshakable support for Israel -- those would seem to work at cross-purposes, no? more... "acpollack2@juno.com" <acpollack2@juno.com> Oct 12 02:10PM ^ Thanks so much to all who replied with such understanding, both of the issue and of its impact on our joint work! For me as an individual (and I'm sorry it wasn't made 100% clear I was speaking only more... Winter Siroco <wintersiroco@gmail.com> Oct 12 10:15AM -0400 ^ While some at Liberty Plaza are trying to "Recover the American Dream" (hallucination would be more appropriate) some of us are trying to "End the American Nightmare". Many voices have yet to be more... shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> Oct 12 10:35AM -0400 ^ Thank you Cesar ---This is the way forward to the light.....endorse the Declaration of First Nation People!!! There is no other way forward. I believe this is the reason we are here. more... Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com> Oct 12 10:35AM -0400 ^ Are the J14 protests in Israel still going on? If yes, should we send word that OWS will not support them or recognize their movement until they have include substantive and meaningful ways to more... gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> Oct 12 10:36AM -0400 ^ I don't see the cross-purposes. US needs a secure base in the middle of oil country. My larger point, however, is that it is wholly insufficient to attack the economic system without understanding more... shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> Oct 12 10:38AM -0400 ^ Christopher Columbus was the first ZIONIST ===don't you guys get it? The same colonial narrative--genocide. We must endorse the Declaration of First Nation Peoples, in solidarity, for the plight of more... Topic: Local NYC Assemblies linked to Wall Street Marina Sitrin <marina.sitrin@gmail.com> Oct 12 10:30AM -0400 ^ Hi all, In the past few days I have been hearing from many friends that they are beginning to organize local assemblies and activities in their neighborhoods, from Queens to Brooklyn. more... Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> Oct 12 10:32AM -0400 ^
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+1 more... Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> Oct 12 10:34AM -0400 ^ This is great! When and where are these happening? We should start publicizing them widely. more... Topic: MoveOn.Org and Friends Attempt to Co-Opt Occupy Wall Street Movement Gabriel Johnson <gabjoh2@gmail.com> Oct 11 04:29PM -0400 ^ As a Democrat (as opposed to a Democratic politician), I pretty much agree with this. I know the GA (of the Wall Street occupation) has been hesitant to actually make any declarations on issues, but more... grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> Oct 11 04:43PM -0400 ^ respectfully-- the whole jobs bill should be thrown out. It is weak and not strong enough. extending unemployment is a very poor band aid at best. more... Jeffery McClain <redjeffery@gmail.com> Oct 11 04:00PM -0400 ^ The drumming is DUMB. This is not some Rainbow Tribe Gathering, rather it is a REVOLUTION. That said, don't trust all of these emails come from real nearby residents. This is a great tactic to use more... Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> Oct 11 04:50PM -0400 ^ I think many of the concerns about loud drumming come from inside the camp, especially working groups that need some quiet during day. I would recommend inviting the drumming circle(s) to general more... Amin Husain <amin.husain@gmail.com> Oct 11 05:00PM -0400 ^ Without comment on the subject, I would say you present agenda items to the facilitation Working group. The info desk on either side of the park has contact info, location info, and forms. more... Amin Husain <amin.husain@gmail.com> Oct 11 05:11PM -0400 ^ That's a great idea Justin. A conflict resolution team has been established by marina Sitrin. It would be interesting to hear her thoughts on this. Call her for best approach? more... gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> Oct 11 08:02PM -0400 ^ Ha. Back at day one, I proposed to several prominent climate activists that there is a common interest with OWS in ridding government of corporate control, since that is the root of the criminal more...
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shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> Oct 11 08:28PM -0400 ^ I went to the info desk on Broadway--and there was a very loud person sitting there by the name of Jeff, who was too busy arguing with someone to respond to my questions-- where the Sustainability more... jemcgloin@verizon.net Oct 11 07:56PM -0500 ^ As a musician who has been receiving noise complaints my whole life I have to say this guy has a point. Maybe the drummers should travel around some more; going to different parts of the city and more... jemcgloin@verizon.net Oct 11 08:23PM -0500 ^ Hi I am a "liberal" involved in the GA since the first day. We are supposed to be and inclusive movement trying to gain support, not excluding liberals because they didn't all jump in on day one. more... Jason Jones <surplus@notanalternative.net> Oct 11 09:57PM -0400 ^ Hi I am not a liberal. In fact I am generally extremely antagonistic toward the position. In spite of that, I agree with jemcgloin. OWS has so far been very successful at building numbers without more... Charles Lenchner <clenchner@gmail.com> Oct 11 10:43PM -0400 ^ Folks might be surprised at the level of liberal/radical fraternization that has been taking place since the Bloombergville stuff. The idea that liberals were ignorant, then snarky, then busy taking more... Jason Jones <surplus@notanalternative.net> Oct 11 10:50PM -0400 ^ I take back what I said. http://www.democracyforamerica.com/activities/635?akid=1400.1574445.C7OweO&rd=1&t=1 It's already happened. more... Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com> Oct 11 11:12PM -0400 ^ +1 charles. I'm gonna make a youtube video saying something along the lines of "we really appreciate all these big money machine party organizations doing outreach and publicity for us, but we more... jemcgloin@verizon.net Oct 11 10:16PM -0500 ^ That is %#$%ed up! That is the problem with not controlling our message and not copyrighting our slogans, but we are getting free advertising. Maybe the GA should put out a message condemning their, more... grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> Oct 11 11:19PM -0400 ^ we should be calling it out on twitter-- so the other occupiers will see that and do the same thing-- through the main Occupywallst twitter accounts send out more than a few messages.... more...
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LaurenD <laurendapfraiz@gmail.com> Oct 11 08:19PM -0700 ^ This is actually a good idea. We should encourage drummers and musicians to go around the city or area and bring people to us as a form of outreach.
more... Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com> Oct 11 11:19PM -0400 ^ "anyone trying to co-opt our movement better be careful that they don't get swallowed by us. " +1000 more... Jason Jones <surplus@notanalternative.net> Oct 11 11:20PM -0400 ^ Only option now is brutal separation. The democrats are the enemy. Smash capitalism! more... grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> Oct 11 11:23PM -0400 ^ no one is the enemy, they are just misinformed.... we need to lead them to change through common sense. On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 11:20 PM, Jason Jones more... Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com> Oct 11 08:25PM -0700 ^ Or, get edgier and organize a three day burst of massive civil disobedience. Force the political parties to show that they only love you when you are passive and playing in the park. more... Jason Jones <surplus@notanalternative.net> Oct 11 11:26PM -0400 ^ try telling that to the anarchists tmrw more... Gabriel Johnson <gabjoh2@gmail.com> Oct 11 11:32PM -0400 ^ (Frowny face.) I thought you guys liked me --glj On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 11:20 PM, Jason Jones more... Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com> Oct 11 11:52PM -0400 ^ Yes!
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more... Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com> Oct 12 12:05AM -0400 ^ This is a thing that keeps happening: we have a hard time recognizing the difference between a group and the members of that group. The Democratic Party is a corrupt money-machine organization more... Will Gauss <willgauss@gmail.com> Oct 12 12:21AM -0400 ^ +1 Sent from my iPhone more... beka economopoulos <beka@notanalternative.net> Oct 12 04:29AM -0400 ^ Here's the thing: our messaging, our strategy, and our tactics must change based on the external landscape. When we become embraced by the Democratic Party and its allies, we must go further than more... Bailey McCann <bailey.mccann@gmail.com> Oct 12 08:17AM -0400 ^ It would seem that one of the most obvious ways to create the dividing line between OWS and groups like the DFA is to point out that they're seeking to profit off the movement. (AKA business as more... Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com> Oct 12 08:31AM -0400 ^ +1000 Bailey more... Charles Lenchner <clenchner@gmail.com> Oct 12 08:37AM -0400 ^ Justin, didn't this come up yesterday? And before that? What is holding back a GA decision regarding the drumming? Charles more... Will Gauss <willgauss@gmail.com> Oct 12 09:44AM -0400 ^ +1001 Sent from my iPhone more... Topic: media person Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> Oct 12 09:29AM -0400 ^ can anyone help with this for the art show? -justin
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Begin forwarded message: more... Topic: the next phase jemcgloin@verizon.net Oct 11 04:10PM -0500 ^ But the virus is much more powerful as long as we hold this spot. On 10/11/11, Luis Moreno-Caballud<morenocaballud@yahoo.es> wrote: yes! the movement spreads like a virus, Zucotti is just one more... J Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> Oct 11 05:13PM -0400 ^ I had to laugh a little when I read Bloomberg's statement. As if it was (really) up to him... more... jemcgloin@verizon.net Oct 11 04:16PM -0500 ^ Depending on the kind of weather we get igloos could be effective. On 10/11/11, beka economopoulos<beka@notanalternative.net> wrote: There are lots of folks working on weather contingencies. more... jemcgloin@verizon.net Oct 11 04:18PM -0500 ^ The cold weather has to all be very high-tech. Living outside is not the same as going skiing. On 10/11/11, beka economopoulos<beka@notanalternative.net> wrote: There are lots of folks working more... Lycophidion <lycophidion@gmail.com> Oct 11 10:35PM -0700 ^ Good ideas. All of this presupposes a qualitative leap in coordination between WGs and organization and integration of Liberty Park OWSers. No, living outside in freezing weather is definitely not more... shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> Oct 12 01:48AM -0400 ^ Other Occupations that have happened across the globe do not have weather like NYC. We have to set an example and may have to break some rules in order to maintain our ground. We might have to have more... Amin Husain <amin.husain@gmail.com> Oct 12 01:52AM -0400 ^ There is a lot of thinking around oct 15 in this regard and that sounds amazing to me as another, additional location, to cap off the global day of rage. It will also show people that this is a more... shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> Oct 12 02:03AM -0400 ^
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We need safety, comfort, kitchen and hospital as well as clean up/hygiene/recycle teams to link up with finance-- and organize and allocated resources towards an effective long term self sustainable more... shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> Oct 12 02:05AM -0400 ^ If we move occupiers to homes, then i hope they are foreclosed empty homes that we re-claim --as we defend against evictions. more... shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> Oct 12 02:10AM -0400 ^ Just to alert you guys on the epidemic in the NYC--the total lack of urban planning/environmental safety for poor people.... http://yourblackworld.com/2011/08/26/hoodrats-infest-marcy-projects/ more... Winter Siroco <wintersiroco@gmail.com> Oct 12 09:18AM -0400 ^ Justine, think it twice before monopolizing occupyBronx.com. David, think it twice before occupying a marginalized area with gentrification conflicts. Excuse me if I cannot be more politically more... Topic: Make a call for joining NYCGA Committees through webpages and newspaper LaurenD <laurendapfraiz@gmail.com> Oct 11 08:39PM -0700 ^ The occupation cant last forever and one of the most important thing to come out of it is solid committees. I am so happy to finally hear people wanting to start an economy committee, a more... Bahareh S <t.seyedi@gmail.com> Oct 12 08:18AM -0400 ^ I totally agree! So far most of the working groups seem to have focused on operational and organizational aspects, which is much needed. But it's great to see that technical thematic working groups more... Amin Husain <amin.husain@gmail.com> Oct 12 08:36AM -0400 ^ People are encouraged to create thematic groups. The structure is being discussed in terms of how to develop it further, and whether such groups should come to being via initiatives through the GA more... Topic: Fw: Special Report: Taking on Wall Street Chris Keeley <chrisnysa@gmail.com> Oct 12 01:11AM -0400 ^ ---------- Forwarded message ---------Date: Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 1:09 AM Subject: Fw: Special Report: Taking on Wall Street To: Chris Keeley <chrisnysa@gmail.com>
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** more... grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> Oct 12 07:30AM -0400 ^ woah-more... Topic: SPANISH TV - Wants to interview Nikky in their Manhattan TV Studio Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> Oct 12 02:08AM -0400 ^ Anybody wanna do it? -justin Begin forwarded message: more... grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> Oct 12 07:26AM -0400 ^ Im forwarding to someone-- has anyone responded? more... Topic: Supporting the local farmers market Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> Oct 12 01:45AM -0400 ^ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFSJW1SwaJs&sns=em Justin Wedes Educator & Activist Brooklyn, NY ~ will you #occupy? ~ more... Topic: Oct 15 Action / environment Amin Husain <amin.husain@gmail.com> Oct 12 12:37AM -0400 ^ Anyone from the environment Working group who wanted to be involved in direct action on oct 15 global day of rage, please contact Natasha at nats.nats85@gmail more... Topic: Bunrasa Thai Restaurant - New York City - Order food online | Ordering Food delivery, takeout, Pickup and view restaurants menus | Seamless.com J Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> Oct 12 12:28AM -0400 ^ This place is a struggling local business which may be open to allowing food to use their kitchen a few hours a day.
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And we can source thai food from them... -justin ---------- Forwarded more... Topic: collective blog? erin remick <eremick@gmail.com> Oct 11 06:15PM -0400 ^ Hi everyone, I'm new to this googlegroup but wanted to give a suggestion for media... Yesterday I went down to the plaza for the Day of Solidarity with Indigenous People but I was unable to stay more... Winter Siroco <wintersiroco@gmail.com> Oct 11 07:02PM -0400 ^ Erin, I think that is a great Idea, and I strongly encourage you to pursue it. There is a lot of talented people willing to get involved on the ground and online. Leave a sign up sheet by the more... bf0189@gmail.com Oct 11 11:06PM ^ Justine me and a few other people are affiliated with ocoupywallst.org and we are planning to give each occupation a similar system under the URL of occupy.org. Example boston.occupy.org more... shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> Oct 11 08:53PM -0400 ^ Dear Erin, There must be a way that more people of color can participate in the discussions going on in the official websites. I think this would be more representative of the occupation and more... erin remick <eremick@gmail.com> Oct 11 11:47PM -0400 ^ It would be great to have it as part of this larger URL system, I just want to make sure it is easy to use and that people could access it without having to jump through a lot of hoops to be able to more... Topic: Demands committee and those who want no demands bridging the gap jemcgloin@verizon.net Oct 11 06:22PM -0500 ^ On last count I had about mysterious demands committees that I couldn't really nail down. The closest I came was the Open Source Working Group which was working on a set of demands. I heard a rumor more... jemcgloin@verizon.net Oct 11 06:47PM -0500 ^ Obviously (I hope) working groups cannot put out demands without the consensus of the GA. But, the GA is the official consensus decision maker, and only the people that happen to be there when more... jemcgloin@verizon.net Oct 11 07:00PM -0500 ^ I didn't even know we adopted the Principles of Solidarity, and I am on the websites and this listserve every day, and at Liberty Park at least once a week. I know that the NYCGA runs only the NY OWS more...
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Jason Jones <surplus@notanalternative.net> Oct 11 08:00PM -0400 ^ I'm trying to stay out of this but I find it so infuriating that there should be one group whose "concensus" is supposed to represent everyone who wants to support this occupation. more... gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> Oct 11 08:16PM -0400 ^ Even NPR said tonight, the message from OWS is clear: We are the 99%. Maybe that's all we need to say. The Marines agree - terrific interview here in case you missed it! more... jemcgloin@verizon.net Oct 11 08:02PM -0500 ^ I am actually alarmed to find out we are making a constitution. It seems extremely premature. I am alarmed that the demands committees are extremely hard to find and that the constitution committee more... jemcgloin@verizon.net Oct 11 08:48PM -0500 ^ Like I said, I am only there about once a week also. I try to influence the debate from a distance. I have to trust the people that are there to make good decisions, and so far they have done very more... Topic: Sustainability Committee, CALL TO OTHER COMMITTEES! shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> Oct 11 08:46PM -0400 ^ Hi Lauren and Gail and Keegan, i was looking for the sustainability meeting today at 5:30 under the cube, but couldn't find it, i understand its not a working group so the info desk didn't have more... gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> Oct 11 09:15PM -0400 ^ I will be there this weekend, if anyone interested in this topic wants to meet, please let me know! witsendnj at yahoo etc more... shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> Oct 11 09:36PM -0400 ^ YES!!! can we have evening meeting after 8pm, or weekends please--i had a meeting with dave and bugz stef k who are working in the hospital and we want to link up with all the sustainability efforts more... Topic: for those discussing OWS and antieviction movements: Fw: Victory! But Is Occupy Wall Street A Moment or a Movement? jemcgloin@verizon.net Oct 11 07:59PM -0500 ^ I could probably get to this from about 3:30 to 4:45. Is any one else going? On 10/11/11, Doug Singsen<dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: This is also happening in NYC this Thursday at 2:30: more...
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Topic: OWS online presence jemcgloin@verizon.net Oct 11 06:39PM -0500 ^ I think having no official website is a big mistake. The General Assembly needs to communicate directly to the world in some way or else others will do it for us and twist our message into making the more... jemcgloin@verizon.net Oct 11 06:48PM -0500 ^ what is the point of not having an official site? On 10/11/11, Justin Wedes<jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: +1 on no official website. Thing that stands out in my mind re nycga.net is that it only more... Topic: [No Subject] NicolasMoselleAllen <allenicolas@gmail.com> Oct 11 07:06PM -0400 ^ hola lucas, por si acaso vos no encuentras un argentino, yo viv alli durante dos aos...y mas encima me hago illusiones de ser un argentino "honorario"...no se si te sirve...igual ahora mismo more... NicolasMoselleAllen <allenicolas@gmail.com> Oct 11 07:11PM -0400 ^ ahora que lo pienso, si quers echar una mano con este reportaje mio...en principio va a salir en la revista de un movimiento social, MPLD, pero luego hay perspectiva que saldra en sudestada... more... Lucas Vazquez <lucasbostero20@gmail.com> Oct 11 07:13PM -0400 ^ dale yo me prendo. Un productor de La Nacion me pregunto si conocia a otro argentino involucrado a OWS para hacer una nota mas grande. Te interesa? 2011/10/11 NicolasMoselleAllen more... NicolasMoselleAllen <allenicolas@gmail.com> Oct 11 07:20PM -0400 ^ bueno, si me parece barbaro...pero no importa que no soy argentino? de todos modos me encantaria ayudar, y mas porque es la nacion y no clarin. luego podemos hablar de este escrito que tengo yo, si more... Topic: Expanding: Here's a list of spaces with the same classification as Zuccotti Park jemcgloin@verizon.net Oct 11 04:15PM -0500 ^ Can I suggest that if you do decide to take another space that it be done without a march or signs, but as a quietly as possible. On 10/11/11, Jason Jones<surplus@notanalternative.net> wrote: more... Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com> Oct 11 05:42PM -0400 ^
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That would be clever. I say we try it. more... Will Gauss <willgauss@gmail.com> Oct 11 05:44PM -0400 ^ Flash mob that lays down a hundred or so sleeping bags at once. Sent from my iPhone more... Topic: Netiquette please! LaurenD <laurendapfraiz@gmail.com> Oct 11 01:50PM -0700 ^ Be careful and please do not change discussion titles! Lauren* more...
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of shaista husain september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Advice to #occupywallstreet from Matt Taibbi Thursday, October 13, 2011 12:20:09 PM
I am sorry but i feel you are being divisive, rather than celebrating the plurality of this movement, you keep on insisting --and censoring--a lot of other people. Please excuse my tone, and try to make RELATIONS--CONNECTIONS--LINKS-- rather than streamline a very narrow agenda YOU feel --obviously people are protesting Wall Street, thats a no brainer.... can we get some nuance here? THanks, Shaista On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 12:15 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: > Sorry shiasta but you are bringing a tone that is unhelpful to at least my > experience on this list to make changes in America happen. I say that as a > single mom, puerto rican, woman, feminist, trannie loving, queer, woman. > > Please stop trying to bring a devisive tone. It is unhelpful. > > I am here to work on an economic civil rights issue. That is the focus that > is resonating around the country, it is what the people want, and at this > point, our responsibility to lead the way on. > > On Oct 13, 2011 12:08 PM, "shaista husain" <shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> This kind of vulgar economistic and narrow conceptualization of >> protest is hierarchical bureaucratic and silly. >> The disconnect in, for example, the July 14th rent and tent movement >> in Israel is typical of the same kind of disconnect that silences >> people of color. How can you even think of discussing housing rent >> increases while ignoring the wholescale eviction of Palestinians and >> GENOCIDE by a military apartheid regime. Do you really think this >> protest is just about some narrow 1% conspiracy as if we could just >> remove the handful of culprits, we could address some middle class >> woes and all live happily ever after? This naive liberal idea silences >> the majority of people who comprise this city, histories of oppression >> and struggles. I agree we need unity, but how about you do your part >> to stand in solidarity with people's struggle and try to learn from >> them. You can't impose some one liner and the sun don't rise when you >> wake up. >> >> On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 9:46 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: >> > He hits on a lot of great points here. I am of the opinion that we >> > tighten >> > up quick abt being here for economic issues, as that is what is bringing >> > the >> > 99% here. If we get muddied into the many layers of politics, we are >> > gonna >> > be as bad as congress and not get anything done. >> > >> > We started a class war and we better be ready to bring it home and >> > finish >> > it. If we get divided over cultural, ethnic, gender politics we are >> > gonna be >> > too busy fighting each other to pay attention to the monstrous banking >> > and
>> > corporate system that wants us to fail. They want us to give up, they >> > want >> > us to go away. The fastest way to do that is to start fighting each >> > other on >> > the micropolitic level when all of those things, intolerance of others, >> > misogyny, bigotry, and hatred will be a lot easier to fight once we get >> > resources back into our communities. >> > >> > We break the current unjust economic system the road will be clear for >> > us to >> > take on everything else. >> > >> > >> > http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/arts/celebrity-photos/celebrity-photos-of-the-week-oct12/article2197635/ >> > >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Advice to #occupywallstreet from Matt Taibbi Thursday, October 13, 2011 12:16:01 PM
Sorry shiasta but you are bringing a tone that is unhelpful to at least my experience on this list to make changes in America happen. I say that as a single mom, puerto rican, woman, feminist, trannie loving, queer, woman. Please stop trying to bring a devisive tone. It is unhelpful. I am here to work on an economic civil rights issue. That is the focus that is resonating around the country, it is what the people want, and at this point, our responsibility to lead the way on. On Oct 13, 2011 12:08 PM, "shaista husain" <shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote: This kind of vulgar economistic and narrow conceptualization of protest is hierarchical bureaucratic and silly. The disconnect in, for example, the July 14th rent and tent movement in Israel is typical of the same kind of disconnect that silences people of color. How can you even think of discussing housing rent increases while ignoring the wholescale eviction of Palestinians and GENOCIDE by a military apartheid regime. Do you really think this protest is just about some narrow 1% conspiracy as if we could just remove the handful of culprits, we could address some middle class woes and all live happily ever after? This naive liberal idea silences the majority of people who comprise this city, histories of oppression and struggles. I agree we need unity, but how about you do your part to stand in solidarity with people's struggle and try to learn from them. You can't impose some one liner and the sun don't rise when you wake up. On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 9:46 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: > He hits on a lot of great points here. I am of the opinion that we tighten > up quick abt being here for economic issues, as that is what is bringing the > 99% here. If we get muddied into the many layers of politics, we are gonna > be as bad as congress and not get anything done. > > We started a class war and we better be ready to bring it home and finish > it. If we get divided over cultural, ethnic, gender politics we are gonna be > too busy fighting each other to pay attention to the monstrous banking and > corporate system that wants us to fail. They want us to give up, they want > us to go away. The fastest way to do that is to start fighting each other on > the micropolitic level when all of those things, intolerance of others, > misogyny, bigotry, and hatred will be a lot easier to fight once we get > resources back into our communities. > > We break the current unjust economic system the road will be clear for us to > take on everything else. > > http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/arts/celebrity-photos/celebrity-photosof-the-week-oct-12/article2197635/
>
This kind of vulgar economistic and narrow conceptualization of protest is hierarchical bureaucratic and silly. The disconnect in, for example, the July 14th rent and tent movement in Israel is typical of the same kind of disconnect that silences people of color. How can you even think of discussing housing rent increases while ignoring the wholescale eviction of Palestinians and GENOCIDE by a military apartheid regime. Do you really think this protest is just about some narrow 1% conspiracy as if we could just remove the handful of culprits, we could address some middle class woes and all live happily ever after? This naive liberal idea silences the majority of people who comprise this city, histories of oppression and struggles. I agree we need unity, but how about you do your part to stand in solidarity with people's struggle and try to learn from them. You can't impose some one liner and the sun don't rise when you wake up. On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 9:46 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: > He hits on a lot of great points here. I am of the opinion that we tighten > up quick abt being here for economic issues, as that is what is bringing the > 99% here. If we get muddied into the many layers of politics, we are gonna > be as bad as congress and not get anything done. > > We started a class war and we better be ready to bring it home and finish > it. If we get divided over cultural, ethnic, gender politics we are gonna be > too busy fighting each other to pay attention to the monstrous banking and > corporate system that wants us to fail. They want us to give up, they want > us to go away. The fastest way to do that is to start fighting each other on > the micropolitic level when all of those things, intolerance of others, > misogyny, bigotry, and hatred will be a lot easier to fight once we get > resources back into our communities. > > We break the current unjust economic system the road will be clear for us to > take on everything else. > > http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/arts/celebrity-photos/celebrity-photos-of-the-week-oct12/article2197635/ >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Advice to #occupywallstreet from Matt Taibbi Thursday, October 13, 2011 4:40:30 PM
Whats with the celebrity photos?
On 10/13/11, grimwomyn<grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: He hits on a lot of great points here. I am of the opinion that we tighten up quick abt being here for economic issues, as that is what is bringing the 99% here. If we get muddied into the many layers of politics, we are gonna be as bad as congress and not get anything done. We started a class war and we better be ready to bring it home and finish it. If we get divided over cultural, ethnic, gender politics we are gonna be too busy fighting each other to pay attention to the monstrous banking and corporate system that wants us to fail. They want us to give up, they want us to go away. The fastest way to do that is to start fighting each other on the micropolitic level when all of those things, intolerance of others, misogyny, bigotry, and hatred will be a lot easier to fight once we get resources back into our communities. We break the current unjust economic system the road will be clear for us to take on everything else. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/arts/celebrity-photos/celebrity-photos-of-the-week-oct-12/article2197635/
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Advice to #occupywallstreet from Matt Taibbi Thursday, October 13, 2011 4:49:11 PM
Oh crap just realized that's what I pasted sorry! Google matt tiabbi occupywallstreet five things ill repost the link after I get home sorry for that! On Oct 13, 2011 4:40 PM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote:
Whats with the celebrity photos?
On 10/13/11, grimwomyn<grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: He hits on a lot of great points here. I am of the opinion that we tighten up quick abt being here for economic issues, as that is what is bringing the 99% here. If we get muddied into the many layers of politics, we are gonna be as bad as congress and not get anything done. We started a class war and we better be ready to bring it home and finish it. If we get divided over cultural, ethnic, gender politics we are gonna be too busy fighting each other to pay attention to the monstrous banking and corporate system that wants us to fail. They want us to give up, they want us to go away. The fastest way to do that is to start fighting each other on the micropolitic level when all of those things, intolerance of others, misogyny, bigotry, and hatred will be a lot easier to fight once we get resources back into our communities. We break the current unjust economic system the road will be clear for us to take on everything else. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/arts/celebrity-photos/celebrity-photos-of-the-week-oct12/article2197635/
You can and must do your part, and i stand in solidarity w you, but please refrain from silencing others and waving your finger at other people who bring up issues...it doesn't matter to me that you are puerto rican etc etc, i am not addressing your identity, just your need to be narrow. How about welcoming different voices protesting and addressing manifold related issues. That is the beauty of this protest and its strength. On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 12:20 PM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote: > I am sorry but i feel you are being divisive, rather than celebrating > the plurality of this movement, you keep on insisting --and > censoring--a lot of other people. Please excuse my tone, and try to > make RELATIONS--CONNECTIONS--LINKS-- rather than streamline a very > narrow agenda YOU feel --obviously people are protesting Wall Street, > thats a no brainer.... can we get some nuance here? > THanks, > Shaista > > On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 12:15 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: >> Sorry shiasta but you are bringing a tone that is unhelpful to at least my >> experience on this list to make changes in America happen. I say that as a >> single mom, puerto rican, woman, feminist, trannie loving, queer, woman. >> >> Please stop trying to bring a devisive tone. It is unhelpful. >> >> I am here to work on an economic civil rights issue. That is the focus that >> is resonating around the country, it is what the people want, and at this >> point, our responsibility to lead the way on. >> >> On Oct 13, 2011 12:08 PM, "shaista husain" <shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> This kind of vulgar economistic and narrow conceptualization of >>> protest is hierarchical bureaucratic and silly. >>> The disconnect in, for example, the July 14th rent and tent movement >>> in Israel is typical of the same kind of disconnect that silences >>> people of color. How can you even think of discussing housing rent >>> increases while ignoring the wholescale eviction of Palestinians and >>> GENOCIDE by a military apartheid regime. Do you really think this >>> protest is just about some narrow 1% conspiracy as if we could just >>> remove the handful of culprits, we could address some middle class >>> woes and all live happily ever after? This naive liberal idea silences >>> the majority of people who comprise this city, histories of oppression >>> and struggles. I agree we need unity, but how about you do your part >>> to stand in solidarity with people's struggle and try to learn from >>> them. You can't impose some one liner and the sun don't rise when you >>> wake up. >>> >>> On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 9:46 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: >>> > He hits on a lot of great points here. I am of the opinion that we >>> > tighten >>> > up quick abt being here for economic issues, as that is what is bringing >>> > the
>>> > 99% here. If we get muddied into the many layers of politics, we are >>> > gonna >>> > be as bad as congress and not get anything done. >>> > >>> > We started a class war and we better be ready to bring it home and >>> > finish >>> > it. If we get divided over cultural, ethnic, gender politics we are >>> > gonna be >>> > too busy fighting each other to pay attention to the monstrous banking >>> > and >>> > corporate system that wants us to fail. They want us to give up, they >>> > want >>> > us to go away. The fastest way to do that is to start fighting each >>> > other on >>> > the micropolitic level when all of those things, intolerance of others, >>> > misogyny, bigotry, and hatred will be a lot easier to fight once we get >>> > resources back into our communities. >>> > >>> > We break the current unjust economic system the road will be clear for >>> > us to >>> > take on everything else. >>> > >>> > >>> > http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/arts/celebrity-photos/celebrity-photos-of-the-week-oct12/article2197635/ >>> > >> >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Martin Kaminer september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Brookfield Properties" purchase agreement? Thursday, October 13, 2011 8:27:43 PM
They inherited it when they bought the building http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltwayconfidential/legal-loophole-enables-occupy-wall-street-camp Original agreement predates them but has been changed many times. On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 5:20 PM, hextic <willgauss@gmail.com> wrote: Can somebody produce a copy of the actual contract where Brookfield Properties made the purchase of Liberty Park, and designated it a POPS?
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Demands committee and those who want no demands bridging the gap Wednesday, October 12, 2011 11:07:03 AM
I will be there On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 11:02 AM, Will Gauss <willgauss@gmail.com> wrote: > I will do my best to be there to be the voice of those who utterly reject the whole idea of specific demands. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 12, 2011, at 10:55 AM, guindave@aol.com wrote: > >> I think the Demands committie and the Constitution Committee should become one who is making this constitution do you know any one ? >> >> again however the demands committee meeting is sunday at 2pm by the red cube All from all sides please come they don't have an idea how diverse opnion is on this. >> >> Dave >> >> -----Original Message---->> From: Snafu <snafu@thething.it> >> To: september17 <september17@googlegroups.com> >> Sent: Tue, Oct 11, 2011 2:26 pm >> Subject: Re: [september17discuss] Demands committee and those who want no demands bridging the gap >> >> It's interesting that the Demands Committee creates so much alarm >> whereas the Constitution Committee does not even raise an eyebrow. >> Constitution is strategic, demands are tactical. >> >> Demands do not define a movement, a constitution does. >> >> On 10/11/11 12:45 PM, Marisa Holmes wrote: >>> I agree with Will. We cannot represent the movement as a whole. >>> Also, a demands committee would not represent the NY occupation. >>> Any political statements must go through the GA process. >>> Personally, I'm against having demands at all. >>> We've already adopted principles of solidarity and a declaration. >>> We know what we're about at the NYC GA without "demands" >>> >>> Marisa >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 12:41 PM,<guindave@aol.com> wrote: >>>> I'm not sure who is writting it I think thats what they are doing >> right ? >>>> writting somthing like it ? >>>> >>>> -----Original Message---->>>> From: Will Gauss<willgauss@gmail.com> >>>> To: september17<september17@googlegroups.com> >>>> Sent: Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:54 am >>>> Subject: Re: [september17discuss] Demands committee and those who >> want no
>>>> demands bridging the gap >>>> >>>> We are a consensus based group. If a decision is made which does not >>>> include us, I just won't recognize it. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Oct 11, 2011, at 11:31 AM, David DeGraw<David@AmpedStatus.com> >> wrote: >>>> >>>>> this mysterious "demands committee" needs to have total >> transparency. >>>> if demands come out of left field there will be a revolt within >> the revolt. >>>> we are already working hard to deflect all sorts of wacky >> conspiracy >>>> theories. >>>>> On 10/11/2011 11:16 AM, guindave@aol.com wrote: >>>>>> and yes it worries me for the same reason but what to do now ? >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message---->>>>>> From: guindave<guindave@aol.com> >>>>>> To: september17<september17@googlegroups.com> >>>>>> Sent: Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:15 am >>>>>> Subject: RE: [september17discuss] Demands committee and those who >>>> want no demands bridging the gap >>>>>> They where already there >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message---->>>>>> From: Jackie DiSalvo<jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> >>>>>> To: september17<september17@googlegroups.com> >>>>>> Sent: Tue, Oct 11, 2011 7:33 am >>>>>> Subject: RE: [september17discuss] Demands committee and those who >>>> want >>>>>> no demands bridging the gap >>>>>> >>>>>> Don't have reporters; they will slant coverage to suit their >>>>>> publication's >>>>>> agenda. >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message---->>>>>> From: september17@googlegroups.com >>>>>> [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On >>>>>> Behalf Of guindave@aol.com >>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 10:47 PM >>>>>> To: september17@googlegroups.com >>>>>> Subject: [september17discuss] Demands committee and those who want >> no >>>>>> demands bridging the gap >>>>>> >>>>>> I was at the demands committee and tonight (as some one who myself >>>>>> would like something like a demand (perhaps not in those words). >> They >>>>>> where completely unaware that many at the GA don't want demands I >>>>>> would urge pretty much every one who is interested for and against >>>>>> demands to come to there next meeting Sunday at 2 but with and open >>>>>> mind towards perhaps trying to bridge the gap between those who do >>>> and >>>>>> don't want this and those who are writing the what is it a >>>> constitution
>>>>>> ? and those who do to find middle ground. Also there where some >>>>>> reporters there do other working groups have reporters at them ? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> >> >> >> >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of guindave@aol.com september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Demands committee and those who want no demands bridging the gap Wednesday, October 12, 2011 10:55:32 AM
I think the Demands committie and the Constitution Committee should become one who is making this constitution do you know any one ? again however the demands committee meeting is sunday at 2pm by the red cube All from all sides please come they don't have an idea how diverse opnion is on this. Dave -----Original Message----From: Snafu <snafu@thething.it> To: september17 <september17@googlegroups.com> Sent: Tue, Oct 11, 2011 2:26 pm Subject: Re: [september17discuss] Demands committee and those who want no demands bridging the gap It's interesting that the Demands Committee creates so much alarm whereas the Constitution Committee does not even raise an eyebrow. Constitution is strategic, demands are tactical. Demands do not define a movement, a constitution does. On 10/11/11 12:45 PM, Marisa Holmes wrote: > I agree with Will. We cannot represent the movement as a whole. > Also, a demands committee would not represent the NY occupation. > Any political statements must go through the GA process. > Personally, I'm against having demands at all. > We've already adopted principles of solidarity and a declaration. > We know what we're about at the NYC GA without "demands" > > Marisa > > > On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 12:41 PM,<guindave@aol.com> wrote: >> I'm not sure who is writting it I think thats what they are doing right ? >> writting somthing like it ? >> >> -----Original Message---->> From: Will Gauss<willgauss@gmail.com> >> To: september17<september17@googlegroups.com> >> Sent: Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:54 am >> Subject: Re: [september17discuss] Demands committee and those who want no >> demands bridging the gap >> >> We are a consensus based group. If a decision is made which does not >> include us, I just won't recognize it. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Oct 11, 2011, at 11:31 AM, David DeGraw<David@AmpedStatus.com> wrote:
>> >>> this mysterious "demands committee" needs to have total transparency. >> if demands come out of left field there will be a revolt within the revolt. >> we are already working hard to deflect all sorts of wacky conspiracy >> theories. >>> On 10/11/2011 11:16 AM, guindave@aol.com wrote: >>>> and yes it worries me for the same reason but what to do now ? >>>> >>>> -----Original Message---->>>> From: guindave<guindave@aol.com> >>>> To: september17<september17@googlegroups.com> >>>> Sent: Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:15 am >>>> Subject: RE: [september17discuss] Demands committee and those who >> want no demands bridging the gap >>>> They where already there >>>> >>>> -----Original Message---->>>> From: Jackie DiSalvo<jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> >>>> To: september17<september17@googlegroups.com> >>>> Sent: Tue, Oct 11, 2011 7:33 am >>>> Subject: RE: [september17discuss] Demands committee and those who >> want >>>> no demands bridging the gap >>>> >>>> Don't have reporters; they will slant coverage to suit their >>>> publication's >>>> agenda. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message---->>>> From: september17@googlegroups.com >>>> [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On >>>> Behalf Of guindave@aol.com >>>> Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 10:47 PM >>>> To: september17@googlegroups.com >>>> Subject: [september17discuss] Demands committee and those who want no >>>> demands bridging the gap >>>> >>>> I was at the demands committee and tonight (as some one who myself >>>> would like something like a demand (perhaps not in those words). They >>>> where completely unaware that many at the GA don't want demands I >>>> would urge pretty much every one who is interested for and against >>>> demands to come to there next meeting Sunday at 2 but with and open >>>> mind towards perhaps trying to bridge the gap between those who do >> and >>>> don't want this and those who are writing the what is it a >> constitution >>>> ? and those who do to find middle ground. Also there where some >>>> reporters there do other working groups have reporters at them ? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >> >> >>
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Demands Working Group Wednesday, October 12, 2011 5:10:25 PM
Great thanks for the info. I will try to come to meetings. Please post more info on this listserve when it comes in. Thnx, John
On 10/12/11, Liliana Gomez<liligomez13@gmail.com> wrote: The Demands Working Group was formed over a week ago, it is a working group not a committee. We are discussing how to draft/propose Demands to the GA, as well as how to strategically win them for all.. We understand the opposition to Demands but will face that when the time comes to present them to the GA. Please don't try to come to our meetings to convince us not to do the work we have initiated or feel is our contribution to this process. Lets respect our different points of view and contributions next meeting are Sunday at 6pm and Tuesday at 7pm, late in the day, we are primarily daytime workers and this was the best possible schedule fitting all at our last meeting. We are trying to set up a table and website to post minutes and keep everyone informed. This is just the beginning, I love you All!! Lili G
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of guindave@aol.com september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Demands Working Group Wednesday, October 12, 2011 10:42:51 AM
Lily I thought last meeting it was discussed that it would be sunday at 2pm where are you getting this 6pm ? -----Original Message----From: Liliana Gomez <liligomez13@gmail.com> To: september17 <september17@googlegroups.com> Sent: Wed, Oct 12, 2011 1:49 am Subject: [september17discuss] Demands Working Group The Demands Working Group was formed over a week ago, it is a working group not a committee. We are discussing how to draft/propose Demands to the GA, as well as how to strategically win them for all.. We understand the opposition to Demands but will face that when the time comes to present them to the GA. Please don't try to come to our meetings to convince us not to do the work we have initiated or feel is our contribution to this process. Lets respect our different points of view and contributions next meeting are Sunday at 6pm and Tuesday at 7pm, late in the day, we are primarily daytime workers and this was the best possible schedule fitting all at our last meeting. We are trying to set up a table and website to post minutes and keep everyone informed. This is just the beginning, I love you All!! Lili G
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] emergency demos in other cities to protect OWS (or protest repression afterward)? Thursday, October 13, 2011 10:27:52 PM
I like the rally cry for every city starting at 6am..... On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 10:25 PM, acpollack2@juno.com <acpollack2@juno.com> wrote: Can we, should we, issue a call for: * emergency protests ASAP, at the very least by 6 am, in every city where there is an Occupy? * "day of" protests (as we do when a bombing overseas is expected), again in every such city, for 5 pm Friday to catch those who could only come after work? I ask because all the wonderful appeals I've seen have said 6 am in NY, or email or call otherwise -- why shouldn't that "otherwise" be RALLY IN YOUR OWN CITY, IN EVERY CITY, IN THE MORNING AND AFTER WORK! Andy
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Fw: Special Report: Taking on Wall Street Wednesday, October 12, 2011 7:30:13 AM
woah-On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 1:11 AM, Chris Keeley <chrisnysa@gmail.com> wrote: ---------- Forwarded message ---------Date: Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 1:09 AM Subject: Fw: Special Report: Taking on Wall Street To: Chris Keeley <chrisnysa@gmail.com> From: Foreign Affairs <foreignaffairs@cfr.org> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 00:11:42 -0400 Subject: Special Report: Taking on Wall Street
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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Fwd: Re-Occupy Our Homes, Resist Unjust Foreclosurs Wednesday, October 12, 2011 12:40:58 PM
awesome and tweeted! On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 12:27 PM, Lisa Fithian <fithianl@igc.org> wrote:
Begin forwarded Date: October 12, Subject: Re-Occupy Our Homes, Resist Unjust Foreclosurs This is the final 4 minute Rose video for distribution. PLEASE share with Occupy people and others who would be interested in the idea of supporting families defending their homes from foreclosure around the country.
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Its time to launch the Let a Million Roses Bloom campaign. Victims of unjust foreclosures across the country are taking a stand to defend their homes Re-Occupy their homes. Lets stand with them.
Rose Gudiel and her family took a courageous stand, refusing to leave her home after facing an unfair foreclosure.
Please watch this short 4 minute video about Rose and the organizing campaign that beat the banks!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMKxuMayH9c
With the support of her community group ACCE and her union SEIU Rose coordinated a 24-hour vigil and encampment at her home, as County Sheriffs passed by periodically to see if the coast was clear to carry out this unfair eviction. On Tuesday, October 4 th Rose, ACCE and SEIU took their fight to One West Bank, making a pilgrimage up the winding hills of Bel Air to the home of Steve Mnuchin, One West LCC Chairman. On Wednesday, October 5 th they took over the lobby of Fannie Mae (current holder of the loan) in Pasadena, shut down business with songs and chants, and Rose, her mother, and 7 other supporters refused to leave when the police issued their final warning. The group of 9 were arrested as the crowd of 150 outside cheered. On Thursday, October 6 th , Rose received a call from One West saying that Fannie Mae was willing to rescind the foreclosure and put a loan modification on the table! A deal is being finalized as we write this e-mail.
More and more families are moving back into the homes that were ripped away from them by unfair foreclosures. Its time to Re-Occupy Our Homes. Its time to stop the banks from stealing our homes and destroying our communities.
Peter Kuhns, pkuhns@calorganize.org Peggy Mears, pmears@calorganize.org ACCE - Alliance of Californians for Community Empowerment www.makebankspaycalifornia.com
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Fwd: SPANISH TV - Wants to interview Nikky in their Manhattan TV Studio Wednesday, October 12, 2011 7:26:25 AM
Im forwarding to someone-- has anyone responded? On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 2:08 AM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: > Anybody wanna do it? > -justin > > Begin forwarded message: > > From: Erick Gibbs <egax1@hotmail.com> > Date: October 12, 2011 2:00:12 AM EDT > To: <jwedes@gmail.com> > Subject: SPANISH TV - Wants to interview Nikky in their Manhattan TV Studio > > Hey Justin, this is Erick with Media (social media) I got a call from a > LATIN TV station that has over 20 other TV stations across latin america, > they want to interview Nikky or anyone who speaks spanish on the " > Openheimer Presenta" Show, this guy is a very well respected journalist and > I think it would be worth a shot. They have studios here in manhattan, the > interview would be next monday at 11:30am, the contact is Ismael Trevino, > his number is 786-282-7197. This station is the equivalent of PBS in latin > america. Thx man, I hope this is of some help, see you around at the media > center. >
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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Justin Wedes september17@googlegroups.com pr-working-group@googlegroups.com; globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com; Amin Husain; yotam.marom@gmail.com; isham.christie@gmail.com; Brooke Lehman; jms@beyondthechoir.org; neliniwfp@gmail.com Re: [september17discuss] IMP: Bloomberg Statement on Moving in to "Clean" the Park Thursday, October 13, 2011 12:12:44 AM
Fort hose who didn't see, this is my proposal:
Operation #wallstcleanup
Tonight, and all day tomorrow, all campers/supporters should reach out to friends/family/anyone to donate or purchase brooms, mops, squeegees, dust pans, garbage bags, and any other cleaning supplies to be collected at sanitation. The sanitation committee should move full-speed ahead on purchase of bins allocated by consensus at GA. After General Assembly on Thursday, we'll have a full-camp cleanup session. Sanitation can coordinate, and anyone who is available will help with the massive community effort! Then, Friday morning, we'll awake and position ourselves with our brooms and mops in a human chain around the park, linked at the arms. If NYPD attempts to enter, we'll peacefully/nonviolently stand our ground and those who are willing will get arrested. Afterwards, we'll march with brooms and mops to Wall Street to do a massive #wallstcleanup march, where the real mess is! On Oct 12, 2011, at 9:34 PM, beka economopoulos wrote: I find this to be of great concern: The cleaning will be done in stages and the protesters will be able to return to the areas that have been cleaned, provided they abide by the rules that Brookfield has established for the park. It was precisely this process that ended the M-15 encampments in Spain this past Spring. What does "the rules that Brookfield has established for the park" mean? Need to have strategy conversation about this, prepare media response (or choose not to), determine game plan for this as a possible scenario, most likely in the wee hours of the night. Beka ---------- Forwarded message ---------Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com
From: Colin Moynihan <colinrmoynihan@gmail.com> Date: October 12, 2011 8:07:15 PM EDT To: kira.annika@gmail.com Subject: from: Colin Moynihan; City hall statement STATEMENT OF DEPUTY MAYOR FOR OPERATIONS CAS HOLLOWAY Earlier this evening, Mayor Bloomberg went to Zuccotti Park to talk with the protesters himself and inform them that on Friday morning Brookfield Properties will clean the park. Brookfield Properties owns Zuccotti Park, and built it as an amenity for the general public. As the protest has continued, Brookfield has expressed concern about its inability to clean the park and maintain it in a condition fit for public use. Brookfield conveyed these concerns in a letter they sent to the City. The Mayor is a strong believer in the First Amendment and believes that the protesters have a right to continue to protest. At the same time, the last three weeks have created unsanitary conditions and considerable wear and tear on the park. This situation is not in the best interests of the protesters, residents or the City. The cleaning will be done in stages and the protesters will be able to return to the areas that have been cleaned, provided they abide by the rules that Brookfield has established for the park.
-New: http://blog.art21.org/2011/05/19/5-questions-for-contemporarypractice-with-not-an-alternative/ Not An Alternative http://notanalternative.com Fission Strategy http://fissionstrategy.com
Phone: 917-202-5479 Skype: bekamop Twitter: http://twitter.com/bekamop
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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Justin Wedes september17@googlegroups.com september17@googlegroups.com; pr-working-group@googlegroups.com; globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com; Amin Husain; yotam.marom@gmail.com; isham.christie@gmail.com; Brooke Lehman; jms@beyondthechoir.org; neliniwfp@gmail.com Re: [september17discuss] IMP: Bloomberg Statement on Moving in to "Clean" the Park Thursday, October 13, 2011 12:50:58 AM
How's this for strength: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php? fbid=300999559914728&set=o.271481366218976&type=1 And I believe this isn't just symbolic. This is a real response to a cheap trick pr stunt by bloomberg et al, and it can only make us look better! Justin Wedes Educator & Activist Brooklyn, NY ~ will you #occupy? ~ On Oct 13, 2011, at 12:31 AM, beka economopoulos <beka@notanalternative.net> wrote: Love the framing and flip to point to Wall Street mess. Only issue I have is that I think we should be stronger here: not a symbolic arrest. Wearing Actions/ strategy hat, not PR messaging right now: we have to stand our ground and defend our home. They can't steal this from us like they steal foreclosed homes in communities across the country. We do eviction defense. We have the world's support on this. Billionaire Bloomberg can try to move in with the NYPD but he'll have to go through us if he thinks he's going to foreclose our right to freely assemble. Also, this is a public park. Under Bloomberg and this economic crises we see budget cuts and privatization of everything. A new wave of public/private partnerships is being implemented throughout the city. This is the neoliberal agenda, what we are fighting. We have every right to be in the park. Please be clear: cleaning the park sounds harmless, but it is a pretext to dismantle our ability to hold that space. We won't be allowed our infrastructure, our kitchen set-up, media streaming...their rules say no lying down or sleeping bags! We can't give up the space or turn a last stand into symbolic theater. b
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 12:12 AM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: Fort hose who didn't see, this is my proposal:
Tonight, and all day tomorrow, all campers/supporters should reach out to friends/family/anyone to donate or purchase brooms, mops, squeegees, dust pans, garbage bags, and any other cleaning supplies to be collected at sanitation. The sanitation committee should move full-speed ahead on purchase of bins allocated by consensus at GA. After General Assembly on Thursday, we'll have a full-camp cleanup session. Sanitation can coordinate, and anyone who is available will help with the massive community effort! Then, Friday morning, we'll awake and position ourselves with our brooms and mops in a human chain around the park, linked at the arms. If NYPD attempts to enter, we'll peacefully/non-violently stand our ground and those who are willing will get arrested. Afterwards, we'll march with brooms and mops to Wall Street to do a massive #wallstcleanup march, where the real mess is! On Oct 12, 2011, at 9:34 PM, beka economopoulos wrote: I find this to be of great concern: The cleaning will be done in stages and the protesters will be able to return to the areas that have been cleaned, provided they abide by the rules that Brookfield has established for the park. It was precisely this process that ended the M-15 encampments in Spain this past Spring. What does "the rules that Brookfield has established for the park" mean? Need to have strategy conversation about this, prepare media response (or choose not to), determine game plan for this as a possible scenario, most likely in the wee hours of the night. Beka
---------- Forwarded message ---------From: Colin Moynihan <colinrmoynihan@gmail.com> Date: October 12, 2011 8:07:15 PM EDT To: kira.annika@gmail.com Subject: from: Colin Moynihan; City hall statement STATEMENT OF DEPUTY MAYOR FOR OPERATIONS CAS HOLLOWAY Earlier this evening, Mayor Bloomberg went to Zuccotti Park to talk with the protesters himself and inform them that on Friday morning Brookfield Properties will clean the park. Brookfield Properties owns Zuccotti Park, and built it as an amenity for the general public. As the protest has continued, Brookfield has expressed concern about its inability to clean the park and maintain it in a condition fit for public use. Brookfield conveyed these concerns in a letter they sent to the City. The Mayor is a strong believer in the First Amendment and believes that the protesters have a right to continue to protest. At the same time, the last three weeks have created unsanitary conditions and considerable wear and tear on the park. This situation is not in the best interests of the protesters, residents or the City. The cleaning will be done in stages and the protesters will be able to return to the areas that have been cleaned, provided they abide by the rules that Brookfield has established for the park.
-New: http://blog.art21.org/2011/05/19/5-questions-forEmails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com
contemporary-practice-with-not-an-alternative/ Not An Alternative http://notanalternative.com Fission Strategy http://fissionstrategy.com Phone: 917-202-5479 Skype: bekamop Twitter: http://twitter.com/bekamop
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jason Jones september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] IMP: Bloomberg Statement on Moving in to "Clean" the Park Thursday, October 13, 2011 1:09:34 AM
If there's ever been a time to stand up in an act of defiance, now would be it. Pack the park with as many people as possible and tell Bloomberg to go ahead and try and evict us (foreclose on us). He knows very well that at this point, it won't be simply an issue of "the whole world is watching" (police brutality). He's not that stupid. If he crosses the line down there, cities around the country will light up.
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 1:04 AM, beka economopoulos <beka@notanalternative.net> wrote: The population is behind us, this is the time to deliver the most rousing passionate call to get everyone down there, to make it impossible for any eviction to happen. If they try and move people it will resonate in every city of this country and every city around the world. It has to be in no uncertain terms: you cannot foreclose. You can't kick us out of our homes anymore. The buck stops here. The people have said enough. That's what this movement is about. And if we do that, we have moral resonance, it's going to inspire every occupation that stands in solidarity with us. I'm down with doing a massive clean-up, we need to show that we can take care of our home, and be good neighbors. But once these guys come, we cannot turn this into political theater. I'm all for political theater, but this is not the occasion for it. We should put an all-call out for 5am support Friday morning. -b On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 12:50 AM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: How's this for strength: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php? fbid=300999559914728&set=o.271481366218976&type=1 And I believe this isn't just symbolic. This is a real response to a cheap trick pr stunt by bloomberg et al, and it can only make us look better! Justin Wedes Educator & Activist Brooklyn, NY ~ will you #occupy? ~
On Oct 13, 2011, at 12:31 AM, beka economopoulos <beka@notanalternative.net> wrote: Love the framing and flip to point to Wall Street mess. Only issue I have is that I think we should be stronger here: not a symbolic arrest. Wearing Actions/ strategy hat, not PR messaging right now: we have to stand our ground and defend our home. They can't steal this from us like they steal foreclosed homes in communities across the country. We do eviction defense. We have the world's support on this. Billionaire Bloomberg can try to move in with the NYPD but he'll have to go through us if he thinks he's going to foreclose our right to freely assemble. Also, this is a public park. Under Bloomberg and this economic crises we see budget cuts and privatization of everything. A new wave of public/private partnerships is being implemented throughout the city. This is the neoliberal agenda, what we are fighting. We have every right to be in the park. Please be clear: cleaning the park sounds harmless, but it is a pretext to dismantle our ability to hold that space. We won't be allowed our infrastructure, our kitchen set-up, media streaming...their rules say no lying down or sleeping bags! We can't give up the space or turn a last stand into symbolic theater. b On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 12:12 AM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: Fort hose who didn't see, this is my proposal:
Tonight, and all day tomorrow, all campers/supporters should reach out to friends/family/anyone to donate or purchase brooms, mops, squeegees, dust pans, garbage bags, and any other cleaning supplies to be collected at sanitation. The sanitation committee should move full-speed ahead on purchase of bins allocated by consensus at GA. After General Assembly on Thursday, we'll have a full-camp cleanup session. Sanitation can coordinate, and anyone who is available will help with the massive community effort!
Then, Friday morning, we'll awake and position ourselves with our brooms and mops in a human chain around the park, linked at the arms. If NYPD attempts to enter, we'll peacefully/nonviolently stand our ground and those who are willing will get arrested. Afterwards, we'll march with brooms and mops to Wall Street to do a massive #wallstcleanup march, where the real mess is! On Oct 12, 2011, at 9:34 PM, beka economopoulos wrote: I find this to be of great concern: The cleaning will be done in stages and the protesters will be able to return to the areas that have been cleaned, provided they abide by the rules that Brookfield has established for the park. It was precisely this process that ended the M-15 encampments in Spain this past Spring. What does "the rules that Brookfield has established for the park" mean? Need to have strategy conversation about this, prepare media response (or choose not to), determine game plan for this as a possible scenario, most likely in the wee hours of the night. Beka ---------- Forwarded message ---------From: Colin Moynihan <colinrmoynihan@gmail.com> Date: October 12, 2011 8:07:15 PM EDT To: kira.annika@gmail.com Subject: from: Colin Moynihan; City hall statement STATEMENT OF DEPUTY MAYOR FOR OPERATIONS CAS HOLLOWAY Earlier this evening, Mayor Bloomberg went to Zuccotti Park to talk with the protesters himself and inform them that on Friday morning Brookfield Properties will clean the park.
Brookfield Properties owns Zuccotti Park, and built it as an amenity for the general public. As the protest has continued, Brookfield has expressed concern about its inability to clean the park and maintain it in a condition fit for public use. Brookfield conveyed these concerns in a letter they sent to the City. The Mayor is a strong believer in the First Amendment and believes that the protesters have a right to continue to protest. At the same time, the last three weeks have created unsanitary conditions and considerable wear and tear on the park. This situation is not in the best interests of the protesters, residents or the City. The cleaning will be done in stages and the protesters will be able to return to the areas that have been cleaned, provided they abide by the rules that Brookfield has established for the park.
-New: http://blog.art21.org/2011/05/19/5-questions-forcontemporary-practice-with-not-an-alternative/ Not An Alternative http://notanalternative.com Fission Strategy http://fissionstrategy.com Phone: 917-202-5479 Skype: bekamop Twitter: http://twitter.com/bekamop
-New: http://blog.art21.org/2011/05/19/5-questions-forEmails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com
contemporary-practice-with-not-an-alternative/ Not An Alternative http://notanalternative.com Fission Strategy http://fissionstrategy.com Phone: 917-202-5479 Skype: bekamop Twitter: http://twitter.com/bekamop
- Not An Alternative + NoSpace (formerly The Change You Want To See Gallery) http://notanalternative.com/
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Dan Anderson september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] IMP: Bloomberg Statement on Moving in to "Clean" the Park Thursday, October 13, 2011 1:17:53 AM
This is exactly how the Bloombergville encampment was ended. The company said they wanted to clean the walls and we could return afterwards.
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 9:34 PM, beka economopoulos <beka@notanalternative.net> wrote: > I find this to be of great concern: The cleaning will be done in stages and > the protesters will be able to return to the areas that have been cleaned, > provided they abide by the rules that Brookfield has established for the > park. > It was precisely this process that ended the M-15 encampments in Spain this > past Spring. What does "the rules that Brookfield has established for the > park" mean? > Need to have strategy conversation about this, prepare media response (or > choose not to), determine game plan for this as a possible scenario, most > likely in the wee hours of the night. > Beka > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------> > From: Colin Moynihan <colinrmoynihan@gmail.com> > Date: October 12, 2011 8:07:15 PM EDT > To: kira.annika@gmail.com > Subject: from: Colin Moynihan; City hall statement > > STATEMENT OF DEPUTY MAYOR FOR OPERATIONS CAS HOLLOWAY > > Earlier this evening, Mayor Bloomberg went to Zuccotti Park to talk > with the protesters himself and inform them that on Friday morning > Brookfield Properties will clean the park. > > Brookfield Properties owns Zuccotti Park, and built it as an amenity > for the general public. As the protest has continued, Brookfield has > expressed concern about its inability to clean the park and maintain > it in a condition fit for public use. Brookfield conveyed these > concerns in a letter they sent to the City. > > The Mayor is a strong believer in the First Amendment and believes > that the protesters have a right to continue to protest. At the same > time, the last three weeks have created unsanitary conditions and > considerable wear and tear on the park. This situation is not in the > best interests of the protesters, residents or the City. > > The cleaning will be done in stages and the protesters will be able > to return to the areas that have been cleaned, provided they abide by > the rules that Brookfield has established for the park. > > > > --
> New: http://blog.art21.org/2011/05/19/5-questions-for-contemporary-practice-with-not-analternative/ > Not An Alternative > http://notanalternative.com > Fission Strategy > http://fissionstrategy.com > > Phone: 917-202-5479 > Skype: bekamop > Twitter: http://twitter.com/bekamop >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] IMP: Bloomberg Statement on Moving in to "Clean" the Park Wednesday, October 12, 2011 9:52:25 PM
That's bizarre. Any idea when they plan to show up?
On 10/12/11, beka economopoulos<beka@notanalternative.net> wrote: I find this to be of great concern: The cleaning will be done in stages and the protesters will be able to return to the areas that have been cleaned, provided they abide by the rules that Brookfield has established for the park. It was precisely this process that ended the M-15 encampments in Spain this past Spring. What does "the rules that Brookfield has established for the park" mean? Need to have strategy conversation about this, prepare media response (or choose not to), determine game plan for this as a possible scenario, most likely in the wee hours of the night. Beka
---------- Forwarded message ---------From: Colin Moynihan <colinrmoynihan@gmail.com> Date: October 12, 2011 8:07:15 PM EDT To: kira.annika@gmail.com Subject: from: Colin Moynihan; City hall statement STATEMENT OF DEPUTY MAYOR FOR OPERATIONS CAS HOLLOWAY Earlier this evening, Mayor Bloomberg went to Zuccotti Park to talk with the protesters himself and inform them that on Friday morning Brookfield Properties will clean the park. Brookfield Properties owns Zuccotti Park, and built it as an amenity for the general public. As the protest has continued, Brookfield has expressed concern about its inability to clean the park and maintain it in a condition fit for public use. Brookfield conveyed these concerns in a letter they sent to the City. The Mayor is a strong believer in the First Amendment and believes that the protesters have a right to continue to protest. At the same time, the last three weeks have created unsanitary conditions and considerable wear and tear on the park. This situation is not in the best interests of the protesters, residents or the City. The cleaning will be done in stages and the protesters will be able to return to the areas that have been cleaned, provided they abide by the rules that Brookfield has established for the park.
-Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com
New: http://blog.art21.org/2011/05/19/5-questions-for-contemporary-practice-with-not-an-alternative/ Not An Alternative http://notanalternative.com Fission Strategy http://fissionstrategy.com Phone: 917-202-5479 Skype: bekamop Twitter: http://twitter.com/bekamop
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] List of OccupyUSA Sites? Wednesday, October 12, 2011 1:23:25 PM
http://www.meetup.com/occupytogether/?see_all=1 On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 1:20 PM, David DeGraw <David@ampedstatus.com> wrote: Does anyone have a list of all the different Ocuppy websites that have sprung up throughout the US? ie: http://occupyboston.com/ - http://occupysd.org/ etc, etc, etc i just tried contacting Ella from OccupyTogether, still waiting to hear back, don't think they have one
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Doug Singsen september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Local NYC Assemblies linked to Wall Street Wednesday, October 12, 2011 10:35:00 AM
This is great! When and where are these happening? We should start publicizing them widely. On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 10:30 AM, Marina Sitrin <marina.sitrin@gmail.com> wrote: Hi all, In the past few days I have been hearing from many friends that they are beginning to organize local assemblies and activities in their neighborhoods, from Queens to Brooklyn. There is also a CUNY assembly on Friday at 4pm This is fantastic! (My personal vision is that we continue on Wall Street, perhaps occupy another strategic location, and then all organize locally - in our workplaces, neighborhoods, schools, etc. and then link them all with assemblies of assemblies. Similar to the Argentina experience after 2001) Does anyone else know of local New York City based assemblies or public space activities? Can we coordinate this? I think a website with information that is then directly linked to the NYCGA site would be great. Maybe plan for an assembly of assemblies in a week or two? Anyone else want to brainstorm this more? In Solidarity, Marina -Seamos realistas, hagamos lo imposible ~ che
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Doug Singsen september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Local NYC Assemblies linked to Wall Street Wednesday, October 12, 2011 10:32:50 AM
+1 On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 10:30 AM, Marina Sitrin <marina.sitrin@gmail.com> wrote: Hi all, In the past few days I have been hearing from many friends that they are beginning to organize local assemblies and activities in their neighborhoods, from Queens to Brooklyn. There is also a CUNY assembly on Friday at 4pm This is fantastic! (My personal vision is that we continue on Wall Street, perhaps occupy another strategic location, and then all organize locally - in our workplaces, neighborhoods, schools, etc. and then link them all with assemblies of assemblies. Similar to the Argentina experience after 2001) Does anyone else know of local New York City based assemblies or public space activities? Can we coordinate this? I think a website with information that is then directly linked to the NYCGA site would be great. Maybe plan for an assembly of assemblies in a week or two? Anyone else want to brainstorm this more? In Solidarity, Marina -Seamos realistas, hagamos lo imposible ~ che
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Bahareh S september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Make a call for joining NYCGA Committees through webpages and newspaper Wednesday, October 12, 2011 8:18:56 AM
I totally agree! So far most of the working groups seem to have focused on operational and organizational aspects, which is much needed. But it's great to see that technical thematic working groups have also emerged that can provide a platform for dialogue on substantive issues in different sectors. On both websites, it would be good to have a tab/section on "Get involved" with a brief description of different ways that people can join/contribute including list of working groups/committees and contact info. On that note, is there a group working on issues related to Foreign Policy? Is there one for Environment? If yes, can anyone provide contact info? Many thanks, Bahareh
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 11:39 PM, LaurenD <laurendapfraiz@gmail.com> wrote: The occupation cant last forever and one of the most important thing to come out of it is solid committees. I am so happy to finally hear people wanting to start an economy committee, a healthcare committee, a political and electoral reform committee and other committees that deal with issues of the "outside" world. These are the structures that will outlive the occupation. For this we need many more people that want to work and get organized. Lets make a call for volunteers throught the webpages. On the front page, both nycga.net and occupy wall st! And a sugestion for Occupied Wall st Journal (which is a great idea, particularly loved the second issue! ): Could you add "Join a committee/ working group "in one of the 5 things you can do now? I would put it at least for number 2. (and take out bring instruments out of number 1! ) Thanks for the great work guys. Lots of people want to help and we need them right now while we still have all the attention.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Amin Husain september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Make a call for joining NYCGA Committees through webpages and newspaper Wednesday, October 12, 2011 8:36:22 AM
People are encouraged to create thematic groups. The structure is being discussed in terms of how to develop it further, and whether such groups should come to being via initiatives through the GA or not to avoid redundancy and to maintain information in a centralized manner for others to plug in. For the time being, I would begin doing by completing the registration form at the Info desk. GA can always ratify at a later date. Announcing formation at the GA is a good idea. On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 8:18 AM, Bahareh S <t.seyedi@gmail.com> wrote: I totally agree! So far most of the working groups seem to have focused on operational and organizational aspects, which is much needed. But it's great to see that technical thematic working groups have also emerged that can provide a platform for dialogue on substantive issues in different sectors. On both websites, it would be good to have a tab/section on "Get involved" with a brief description of different ways that people can join/contribute including list of working groups/committees and contact info. On that note, is there a group working on issues related to Foreign Policy? Is there one for Environment? If yes, can anyone provide contact info? Many thanks, Bahareh
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 11:39 PM, LaurenD <laurendapfraiz@gmail.com> wrote: The occupation cant last forever and one of the most important thing to come out of it is solid committees. I am so happy to finally hear people wanting to start an economy committee, a healthcare committee, a political and electoral reform committee and other committees that deal with issues of the "outside" world. These are the structures that will outlive the occupation. For this we need many more people that want to work and get organized. Lets make a call for volunteers throught the webpages. On the front page, both nycga.net and occupy wall st! And a sugestion for Occupied Wall st Journal (which is a great idea, particularly loved the second issue! ): Could you add "Join a committee/ working group "in one of the 5 things you can do now? I would put it at least for number 2. (and take out bring instruments out of number 1! ) Thanks for the great work guys. Lots of people want to help and we need them right now while we still have all the attention.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jason Jones september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] More coopting by MoveOn! Thursday, October 13, 2011 2:39:24 PM
Agreed. That is awesome On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 2:36 PM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: I signed it - AND I'm getting on the train to stay overnight in the park. Why shouldn't we welcome the Move0n support like any other group? On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 2:30 PM, Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com> wrote: I guess there are a lot of liberals who really wanted to be radicals, but were too afraid. Keep Occupying! Keep growing courage! Awesome. Jon On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 2:19 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: co opting but this would be helpful if they do deliver the petition. seriously-we should say thank you. On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Charles Lenchner <clenchner@gmail.com> wrote: This is what MOVE ON SENT.
From: Justin Ruben, MoveOn.org Civic Action Date: Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 11:40 AM Subject: Bloomberg to evict Occupy Wall Street? Dear MoveOn member, Urgent news: New York Mayor Mike Bloomberg just said he's going to use the police to effectively end the occupation of Wall Street tomorrow morning. In a transparent ploy, new rules were passed out this morning prohibiting tarps, sleeping bags and "lying down"even as temperatures plummet. We need to show a national groundswell of support for the brave occupiers who are peacefully exercising their first amendment rights and highlighting our broken economy that's left 99% of us behind. Can you sign our emergency petition to Mayor Bloomberg telling him not to
interfere with Occupy Wall Street? We'll deliver the petition TONIGHT, first to the occupation, and then to City Hall. Sign the petition now. The petition says, " Mayor Bloomberg: Respect the protesters' 1st Amendment rights. Don't try to evict Occupy Wall Street. " The only way we'll get Mayor Bloomberg to change his plan is massive public pressure. So we need to spread the word far and wide today. After you've signed the petition, you'll be asked to share it with your friends and to call the City of New York to let the mayor know that you oppose his plan. Both steps are critical if we're going to stop him. Please sign the petition to Mayor Bloomberg now so we can deliver tens of thousands of signatures this evening. http://civ.moveon.org/defend_ ows/?id=0-3697424-bI7Fk4x& tester=daniel@moveon.org&t=3 Thanks for all you do. Justin, Laura, Carrie, Joan, and the rest of the team
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of gail zawacki september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] More coopting by MoveOn! Thursday, October 13, 2011 2:37:00 PM
I signed it - AND I'm getting on the train to stay overnight in the park. Why shouldn't we welcome the Move0n support like any other group? On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 2:30 PM, Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com> wrote: I guess there are a lot of liberals who really wanted to be radicals, but were too afraid. Keep Occupying! Keep growing courage! Awesome. Jon On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 2:19 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: co opting but this would be helpful if they do deliver the petition. seriously-- we should say thank you. On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Charles Lenchner <clenchner@gmail.com> wrote: This is what MOVE ON SENT.
From: Justin Ruben, MoveOn.org Civic Action Date: Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 11:40 AM Subject: Bloomberg to evict Occupy Wall Street? Dear MoveOn member, Urgent news: New York Mayor Mike Bloomberg just said he's going to use the police to effectively end the occupation of Wall Street tomorrow morning. In a transparent ploy, new rules were passed out this morning prohibiting tarps, sleeping bags and "lying down"even as temperatures plummet. We need to show a national groundswell of support for the brave occupiers who are peacefully exercising their first amendment rights and highlighting our broken economy that's left 99% of us behind. Can you sign our emergency petition to Mayor Bloomberg telling him not to interfere with Occupy Wall Street? We'll deliver the petition TONIGHT, first to the occupation, and then to City Hall. Sign the petition now. The petition says, " Mayor Bloomberg: Respect the protesters' 1st Amendment
rights. Don't try to evict Occupy Wall Street. "

The only way we'll get Mayor Bloomberg to change his plan is massive public pressure. So we need to spread the word far and wide today. After you've signed the petition, you'll be asked to share it with your friends and to call the City of New York to let the mayor know that you oppose his plan. Both steps are critical if we're going to stop him. Please sign the petition to Mayor Bloomberg now so we can deliver tens of thousands of signatures this evening. http://civ.moveon.org/defend_ ows/?id=0-3697424-bI7Fk4x& tester=daniel@moveon.org&t=3 Thanks for all you do. Justin, Laura, Carrie, Joan, and the rest of the team
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jon Good september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] More coopting by MoveOn! Thursday, October 13, 2011 2:31:50 PM
I guess there are a lot of liberals who really wanted to be radicals, but were too afraid. Keep Occupying! Keep growing courage! Awesome. Jon On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 2:19 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: co opting but this would be helpful if they do deliver the petition. seriously-- we should say thank you. On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Charles Lenchner <clenchner@gmail.com> wrote: This is what MOVE ON SENT.
From: Justin Ruben, MoveOn.org Civic Action Date: Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 11:40 AM Subject: Bloomberg to evict Occupy Wall Street? Dear MoveOn member, Urgent news: New York Mayor Mike Bloomberg just said he's going to use the police to effectively end the occupation of Wall Street tomorrow morning. In a transparent ploy, new rules were passed out this morning prohibiting tarps, sleeping bags and "lying down"even as temperatures plummet. We need to show a national groundswell of support for the brave occupiers who are peacefully exercising their first amendment rights and highlighting our broken economy that's left 99% of us behind. Can you sign our emergency petition to Mayor Bloomberg telling him not to interfere with Occupy Wall Street? We'll deliver the petition TONIGHT, first to the occupation, and then to City Hall. Sign the petition now. The petition says, " Mayor Bloomberg: Respect the protesters' 1st Amendment rights. Don't try to evict Occupy Wall Street. " The only way we'll get Mayor Bloomberg to change his plan is massive public pressure. So we need to spread the word far and wide today.
After you've signed the petition, you'll be asked to share it with your friends and to call the City of New York to let the mayor know that you oppose his plan. Both steps are critical if we're going to stop him. Please sign the petition to Mayor Bloomberg now so we can deliver tens of thousands of signatures this evening. http://civ.moveon.org/defend_ ows/?id=0-3697424-bI7Fk4x& tester=daniel@moveon.org&t=3 Thanks for all you do. Justin, Laura, Carrie, Joan, and the rest of the team
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] More coopting by MoveOn! Thursday, October 13, 2011 2:19:47 PM
co opting but this would be helpful if they do deliver the petition. seriously-- we should say thank you. On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Charles Lenchner <clenchner@gmail.com> wrote: This is what MOVE ON SENT.
From: Justin Ruben, MoveOn.org Civic Action Date: Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 11:40 AM Subject: Bloomberg to evict Occupy Wall Street? Dear MoveOn member, Urgent news: New York Mayor Mike Bloomberg just said he's going to use the police to effectively end the occupation of Wall Street tomorrow morning. In a transparent ploy, new rules were passed out this morning prohibiting tarps, sleeping bags and "lying down"even as temperatures plummet. We need to show a national groundswell of support for the brave occupiers who are peacefully exercising their first amendment rights and highlighting our broken economy that's left 99% of us behind. Can you sign our emergency petition to Mayor Bloomberg telling him not to interfere with Occupy Wall Street? We'll deliver the petition TONIGHT, first to the occupation, and then to City Hall. Sign the petition now. The petition says, " Mayor Bloomberg: Respect the protesters' 1st Amendment rights. Don't try to evict Occupy Wall Street. " The only way we'll get Mayor Bloomberg to change his plan is massive public pressure. So we need to spread the word far and wide today. After you've signed the petition, you'll be asked to share it with your friends and to call the City of New York to let the mayor know that you oppose his plan. Both steps are critical if we're going to stop him. Please sign the petition to Mayor Bloomberg now so we can deliver tens of thousands of signatures this evening. http://civ.moveon.org/defend_ ows/?id=0-3697424-bI7Fk4x& tester=daniel@moveon.org&t=3
Thanks for all you do. Justin, Laura, Carrie, Joan, and the rest of the team
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of beka economopoulos september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] More coopting by MoveOn! Thursday, October 13, 2011 2:19:16 PM
awesome. they're being good allies. b On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Charles Lenchner <clenchner@gmail.com> wrote: This is what MOVE ON SENT.
From: Justin Ruben, MoveOn.org Civic Action Date: Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 11:40 AM Subject: Bloomberg to evict Occupy Wall Street? Dear MoveOn member, Urgent news: New York Mayor Mike Bloomberg just said he's going to use the police to effectively end the occupation of Wall Street tomorrow morning. In a transparent ploy, new rules were passed out this morning prohibiting tarps, sleeping bags and "lying down"even as temperatures plummet. We need to show a national groundswell of support for the brave occupiers who are peacefully exercising their first amendment rights and highlighting our broken economy that's left 99% of us behind. Can you sign our emergency petition to Mayor Bloomberg telling him not to interfere with Occupy Wall Street? We'll deliver the petition TONIGHT, first to the occupation, and then to City Hall. Sign the petition now. The petition says, " Mayor Bloomberg: Respect the protesters' 1st Amendment rights. Don't try to evict Occupy Wall Street. " The only way we'll get Mayor Bloomberg to change his plan is massive public pressure. So we need to spread the word far and wide today. After you've signed the petition, you'll be asked to share it with your friends and to call the City of New York to let the mayor know that you oppose his plan. Both steps are critical if we're going to stop him. Please sign the petition to Mayor Bloomberg now so we can deliver tens of thousands of signatures this evening. http://civ.moveon.org/defend_ ows/?id=0-3697424-bI7Fk4x&
tester=daniel@moveon.org&t=3 Thanks for all you do. Justin, Laura, Carrie, Joan, and the rest of the team
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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] More coopting by MoveOn! Thursday, October 13, 2011 5:04:14 PM
That is not co-opting. That is support. Support that we really need right now. I am not from moveon, but the people I know from moveon are trying to help the left fight the cororations anyway they can, just like I am. This fight does not only belong to OWS. We all need to work together. I agree the yard signs were tacky and self-serving, but a moveon petition in support of OWS is a good thing.
On 10/13/11, Charles Lenchner<clenchner@gmail.com> wrote: This is what MOVE ON SENT.
From: Justin Ruben,MoveOn.org Civic Action Date: Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 11:40 AM Subject: Bloomberg to evict Occupy Wall Street? Dear MoveOn member, Urgent news: New York Mayor Mike Bloomberg just saidhe's going to use the police to effectively end the occupation of Wall Streettomorrow morning. In a transparent ploy, new rules were passed out this morning prohibitingtarps, sleeping bags and "lying down" even as temperatures plummet. We need to show a national groundswell of support for the brave occupiers whoare peacefully exercising their first amendment rights and highlighting ourbroken economy that's left 99% of us behind. Can you sign our emergency petition to Mayor Bloomberg telling him not tointerfere with Occupy Wall Street? We'll deliver the petition TONIGHT,first to the occupation, and then to City Hall. Sign the petition now. The petition says, "Mayor Bloomberg: Respect the protesters' 1stAmendment rights. Don't try to evict Occupy Wall Street." The only way we'll get Mayor Bloomberg to change his plan is massive publicpressure. So we need to spread the word far and wide today. After you've signed the petition, you'll be asked to share it with your friendsand to call the City of New York to let the mayor know that you oppose hisplan. Both steps are critical if we're going to stop him. Please sign the petition to Mayor Bloomberg now so we can deliver tens ofthousands of signatures this evening. http://civ.moveon.org/defend_ ows/?id=0-3697424-bI7Fk4x&tester=daniel@moveon.org&t=3 Thanks for all you do. Justin, Laura, Carrie, Joan, and the rest of the team
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jason Jones september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] More coopting by MoveOn! Thursday, October 13, 2011 5:11:59 PM
I don't believe in electoral politics. But I'm also not a reactionary idiot. This is neither an attempt to brand nor a call to support an elected. MoveOn.org is telling it's membership that what is needed is "national groundswell immediately in defense of the protesters." We need as many people down there tomorrow as possible. If they're turning people out for that - Fckn awesome! The terrain is shifting from moment to moment. Stay sharp.
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 5:04 PM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote:
From: Justin Ruben,MoveOn.org Civic Action Date: Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 11:40 AM Subject: Bloomberg to evict Occupy Wall Street? Dear MoveOn member, Urgent news: New York Mayor Mike Bloomberg just saidhe's going to use the police to effectively end the occupation of Wall Streettomorrow morning. In a transparent ploy, new rules were passed out this morning prohibitingtarps, sleeping bags and "lying down"even as temperatures plummet. We need to show a national groundswell of support for the brave occupiers whoare peacefully exercising their first amendment rights and highlighting ourbroken economy that's left 99% of us behind. Can you sign our emergency petition to Mayor Bloomberg telling him not tointerfere with Occupy Wall Street? We'll deliver the petition TONIGHT,first to the occupation, and then to City Hall. Sign the petition now. The petition says, "Mayor Bloomberg: Respect the protesters' 1stAmendment rights. Don't try to evict Occupy Wall Street." The only way we'll get Mayor Bloomberg to change his plan is massive publicpressure. So we need to spread the word far and wide today.
After you've signed the petition, you'll be asked to share it with your friendsand to call the City of New York to let the mayor know that you oppose hisplan. Both steps are critical if we're going to stop him. Please sign the petition to Mayor Bloomberg now so we can deliver tens ofthousands of signatures this evening. http://civ.moveon.org/defend_ ows/?id=0-3697424-bI7Fk4x&tester=daniel@moveon.org&t=3 Thanks for all you do. Justin, Laura, Carrie, Joan, and the rest of the team
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Will Gauss september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] More coopting by MoveOn! Thursday, October 13, 2011 5:40:51 PM
+1. We must be wary of co-option but only a wave of public anger directed squarely at the Mayor's desk will remind him who he really works for. If MoveOn can give us that, let them. If they think this will somehow serve them, it won't. If they think this will buy our loyalty, it won't. We stand tall, but with some assistance we stand taller. We are the only real benefactor here so I can regard it as the generosity which it seems to really be. We do not need to bow to their will, but we also need not antagonize and jeopardize future generosity.
Sent from my iPhone On Oct 13, 2011, at 5:11 PM, Jason Jones <surplus@notanalternative.net> wrote: I don't believe in electoral politics. But I'm also not a reactionary idiot. This is neither an attempt to brand nor a call to support an elected. MoveOn.org is telling it's membership that what is needed is "national groundswell immediately in defense of the protesters." We need as many people down there tomorrow as possible. If they're turning people out for that - Fckn awesome! The terrain is shifting from moment to moment. Stay sharp.
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 5:04 PM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote:
From: Justin Ruben,MoveOn.org Civic Action Date: Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 11:40 AM Subject: Bloomberg to evict Occupy Wall Street? Dear MoveOn member, Urgent news: New York Mayor Mike Bloomberg just saidhe's going to use the
police to effectively end the occupation of Wall Streettomorrow morning. In a transparent ploy, new rules were passed out this morning prohibitingtarps, sleeping bags and "lying down"even as temperatures plummet. We need to show a national groundswell of support for the brave occupiers whoare peacefully exercising their first amendment rights and highlighting ourbroken economy that's left 99% of us behind. Can you sign our emergency petition to Mayor Bloomberg telling him not tointerfere with Occupy Wall Street? We'll deliver the petition TONIGHT,first to the occupation, and then to City Hall. Sign the petition now. The petition says, "Mayor Bloomberg: Respect the protesters' 1stAmendment rights. Don't try to evict Occupy Wall Street." The only way we'll get Mayor Bloomberg to change his plan is massive publicpressure. So we need to spread the word far and wide today. After you've signed the petition, you'll be asked to share it with your friendsand to call the City of New York to let the mayor know that you oppose hisplan. Both steps are critical if we're going to stop him. Please sign the petition to Mayor Bloomberg now so we can deliver tens ofthousands of signatures this evening. http://civ.moveon.org/defend_ ows/?id=0-3697424-bI7Fk4x&tester=daniel@moveon.org&t=3 Thanks for all you do. Justin, Laura, Carrie, Joan, and the rest of the team
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Justin Wedes september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] More coopting by MoveOn! Thursday, October 13, 2011 5:42:53 PM
I agree that this is support, but let's also stay vigilant to make sure that organizations are not demanding or earning any undue influence or benefit from our movement. We all come to the #GeneralAssembly as individuals, empowered and autonomous. -justin On Oct 13, 2011, at 5:04 PM, jemcgloin@verizon.net wrote:
From: Justin Ruben,MoveOn.org Civic Action Date: Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 11:40 AM Subject: Bloomberg to evict Occupy Wall Street? Dear MoveOn member, Urgent news: New York Mayor Mike Bloomberg just saidhe's going to use the police to effectively end the occupation of Wall Streettomorrow morning. In a transparent ploy, new rules were passed out this morning prohibitingtarps, sleeping bags and "lying down"even as temperatures plummet. We need to show a national groundswell of support for the brave occupiers whoare peacefully exercising their first amendment rights and highlighting ourbroken economy that's left 99% of us behind. Can you sign our emergency petition to Mayor Bloomberg telling him not tointerfere with Occupy Wall Street? We'll deliver the petition TONIGHT,first to the occupation, and then to City Hall. Sign the petition now. The petition says, "Mayor Bloomberg: Respect the protesters' 1stAmendment rights. Don't try to evict Occupy Wall Street."
The only way we'll get Mayor Bloomberg to change his plan is massive publicpressure. So we need to spread the word far and wide today. After you've signed the petition, you'll be asked to share it with your friendsand to call the City of New York to let the mayor know that you oppose hisplan. Both steps are critical if we're going to stop him. Please sign the petition to Mayor Bloomberg now so we can deliver tens ofthousands of signatures this evening. http://civ.moveon.org/defend_ ows/?id=0-3697424-bI7Fk4x&tester=daniel@moveon.org&t=3 Thanks for all you do. Justin, Laura, Carrie, Joan, and the rest of the team
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of David DeGraw september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] More coopting by MoveOn! Thursday, October 13, 2011 2:46:48 PM
this is a helpful message that Move On has sent, the problem though, Move On is a Democratic Party front group. we have tried for years to get them behind Wall Street protests and they NEVER, NOT ONCE, would support it. Now that it's taken off, they are bandwagon jumping. we fully understand that we need to be inclusive and need all the help we can get, but we need a clear statement proving that we are not puppets of MoveOn or any other front groups. MoveOn, whether they like it or not, has developed a reputation as a divide and conquer organization. They have never once before wanted to support anything to do w/ the 99%. their leadership has completely sold out to the Democratic Party long ago. that being said, many of their members are strong n much needed allies. this is a fine line we are forced to walk. here's the proposed statement we worked on. if you don't agree with it, please consider proposing one of your own:
Welcome to the #OWS 99% Movement We Will NOT Be Co-Opted Working Group
On 10/13/2011 2:30 PM, Jon Good wrote: I guess there are a lot of liberals who really wanted to be radicals, but were too afraid. Keep Occupying! Keep growing courage! Awesome. Jon On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 2:19 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: co opting but this would be helpful if they do deliver the petition. seriously-- we should say thank you. On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Charles Lenchner <clenchner@gmail.com> wrote: This is what MOVE ON SENT.
From: Justin Ruben, MoveOn.org Civic Action Date: Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 11:40 AM Subject: Bloomberg to evict Occupy Wall Street? Dear MoveOn member, Urgent news: New York Mayor Mike Bloomberg just said he's
going to use the police to effectively end the occupation of Wall Street tomorrow morning. In a transparent ploy, new rules were passed out this morning prohibiting tarps, sleeping bags and "lying down"even as temperatures plummet. We need to show a national groundswell of support for the brave occupiers who are peacefully exercising their first amendment rights and highlighting our broken economy that's left 99% of us behind. Can you sign our emergency petition to Mayor Bloomberg telling him not to interfere with Occupy Wall Street? We'll deliver the petition TONIGHT, first to the occupation, and then to City Hall. Sign the petition now. The petition says, " Mayor Bloomberg: Respect the protesters' 1st Amendment rights. Don't try to evict Occupy Wall Street. " The only way we'll get Mayor Bloomberg to change his plan is massive public pressure. So we need to spread the word far and wide today. After you've signed the petition, you'll be asked to share it with your friends and to call the City of New York to let the mayor know that you oppose his plan. Both steps are critical if we're going to stop him. Please sign the petition to Mayor Bloomberg now so we can deliver tens of thousands of signatures this evening. http://civ.moveon.org/defend_ ows/?id=0-3697424-bI7Fk4x& tester=daniel@moveon.org&t=3 Thanks for all you do. Justin, Laura, Carrie, Joan, and the rest of the team
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of gail zawacki september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] MoveOn.Org and Friends Attempt to Co-Opt Occupy Wall Street Movement Wednesday, October 12, 2011 2:28:19 PM
Lorna Salzman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorna_Salzman) is interested in coming to OWS to address some of the exact issues being discussed in the thread - but would prefer after Nov. 1. I would appreciate any thoughts on how to arrange this. I asked her to summarize what she would discuss and this is her reply: I would address The Ecological Necessity for the Redistribution of Wealth. Since economic growth is essentially over, then we have to redistribute what remains more fairly. A very simple argument. I would also make a few comments about how economic policy is crucial not only in the interests of equity but in addressing climate change and energy policy, and the same policies that are hurting the poor are hurting Nature, and that a sane energy policy necessarily will mean not only more jobs but more fairness and above all a fundamental change in the goals of society.
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 1:55 PM, beka economopoulos <beka@notanalternative.net> wrote: Actually, many mainstream orgs, including MoveOn, have been doing heavy lifting to support this thing, and they truly don't want to co-opt the movement. But the reality is the movement has gone mainstream now, and it will get sucked in to establishment politics. Astra Taylor, journalist and filmmaker said it concisely: "the Democrats would benefit from nothing more than the whole social and political playing field tilting left -- but that ain't gonna happen if they co-opt OWS! let them benefit inadvertently but that's it...we must push further". I don't think saying publicly "DFA and other groups are profiting from the movement without giving back" gets us where we need to go. Quite the opposite: that's an invitation for more mainstream participation at the same time that internally we're watering our message down (being descriptive and reactive and celebrating OWS as being about a diversity of voices, democratic process, empowering the 99%), without maintaining the radical orientation this started with. This occupation was initiated by, and remains largely organized by anticapitalists. We don't need to say the "c" word, or the "n" word (neoliberalism - the agenda of the past 40 years: privatization, deregulation, financialization, and globalization, which has led to the concentration of wealth, corruption of the political process, and accelerated the destruction of all we hold dear.). But file in the back of our heads that after the 2008 economic crash, even mainstream media headlines did go there. And outlets like the Wall Street Journal / Market Watch, Crains, IBT, and other finance industry rags are going there now. We can use softer, gentler terms: the free market, etc. But if we want accountability, regulation and restructuring of Wall Street and the finance industry we need to figure this out, and it has to play a much bigger role in OWS messaging. And an impending Eurozone crash if Greece defaults could result in a major economic crash here in the US, potentially soon. So there is an opening to push further.
This isn't a denunciation of establishment orgs, there are good people within them and they all want to see this succeed. But they can't lead us there. Now that we're in a new phase (of media coverage, of participation), we owe it to everyone to radicalize our message, go beyond what these groups can publicly say. The Tea Party and radical right have always played this role. They make the establishment right uncomfortable, they divide and provoke, and they've been winning. The center moved to the right, and the republican party tows a much harder line, wielding greater influence in D.C. than they did before. OWS needs to tow a harder line. Being more explicit about the finance industry, making clear that we're not calling for easy reforms, that both parties are the problem, our political process is poisoned by the influence of money, that this is an international movement, that Egypt, Tunisia, Greece, Italy, Spain and the UK are all popular uprisings, like ours, in response to the economic crisis, the cutting of social safety nets, budget cuts and privatization. That our economic system is broken. And we'll settle for nothing less than fundamental and structural change. I just ask that we be as radical as the mainstream finance publications that understand this movement better than the rest of the mainstream press. Start saying what they are saying. Enough focus on democracy. Talk about capitalism (/insert euphemism here). -b On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 9:44 AM, Will Gauss <willgauss@gmail.com> wrote: +1001 Sent from my iPhone On Oct 12, 2011, at 8:17 AM, Bailey McCann <bailey.mccann@gmail.com> wrote: It would seem that one of the most obvious ways to create the dividing line between OWS and groups like the DFA is to point out that they're seeking to profit off the movement. (AKA business as usual) I haven't seen anything saying that they'll be giving back any of that $14 to OWS or better yet, to any groups working with the disadvantaged. I think if we just pointed this out, and highlighted the other orgs like MoveOn who are riding the wave without actually doing any heavy lifting, people are going to key into that. If we go further and force them to answer why they thought it was ok to profiteer off a campaign going after greed, that would be an interesting moment. The moment you blanketly say we hate democrats, that becomes a divisive message and not really what everyone seems to be working at here. However, forcing the establishment democrats to answer why their go-to reaction was profiteering, that has some credibility.
Bailey On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 4:29 AM, beka economopoulos <beka@notanalternative.net> wrote: Here's the thing: our messaging, our strategy, and our tactics must change based on the external landscape. When we become embraced by the Democratic Party and its allies, we must go further than what makes them comfortable. That's if we want to win more than concessions and easy reforms ( that currently exist within the realm of possibility), and achieve game-changing substantive/structural reforms ( that currently live in the realm of impossibility, that we didn't imagine we ever could see in our lifetimes). We should aim for nothing less -- why aim for closing up shop soon when we have no idea what we're capable of? Phase 1 = vanguard moves in, initiates occupation, largely dismissed, but staying power piques curiosity, and police misconduct/violence draws attention and wins sympathy. Phase 2 = vanguards in other cities recognize potential, initiate occupations. At the same time, initial occupation gathers steam, grows, large membership orgs endorse and give legitimacy that wasn't present before, now the mainstream media start to change tune. Focus of coverage is human interest story of life in the park; and what do they want? Phase 3 = mainstream media interest explodes, NGOs, labor, community, and establishment orgs engage supporters, connect existing campaigns to #occupy frame, amplify visibility and suggestion of social movement. Democratic leadership embrace movement, as do party-related and electorally focused orgs. Media coverage attributes power to movement, queries whether it's a Tea Party for the left, whether it will gain electoral power and legislative victories. Phase 4 = ? We currently find ourselves in Phase 3. Senior members of the White House administration, and the President himself, have expressed support for OWS. Democracy for America, a Howard Dean initiated group just sent an email blast to more than a million members tonight selling yard signs that say "We Are the 99%" with co-branded urls: OccupyWallSt.org and DemocracyforAmerica.org/occupy. OWS is embraced by the establishment as a means to amplify existing agendae. Bloomberg gives tacit "permission" for our occupation, effectively rendering it non-threatening and normalizing it. Result is rise in media coverage of occupation as nuisance to neighbors.
This is a natural and necessary phase. So now what? We're in this for the long haul. There are no "solutions" that can be presented quickly to make us go away. And so there will be moments where our presence is no longer an uncomfortable and unknown variable, but rather is normalized and integrated. It's in those moments that we have to push the envelop, pry open the space of possibility even farther. We go as far as we can to destabilize, but maintain momentum. And when that's the new "normal" then we go farther. That's how change happens, how we shift the terrain and the terms of the game. From an actions perspective, that means getting tactical, and mobile, activating the rest of the city, executing higher-risk actions, civil disobedience and arrests. From a media perspective, we have to get ahead of the game. We no longer need to legitimize. Or articulate the problem. Both are clearly established. So, given this new moment how can we use media strategically? We must draw a line, disavow the Democrats explicitly, make our messaging a little uncomfortable. Yes, perhaps, split the support, lest we not be co-opted. This will be painful, internally, as it won't always achieve comfortable consensus. But to hold this space and expand the realm of possibility, we have to go farther than others are ready to go. It's how this started and we can't be too shy to be bold. -b On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 12:05 AM, Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com> wrote: This is a thing that keeps happening: we have a hard time recognizing the difference between a group and the members of that group. The Democratic Party is a corrupt money-machine organization whose leaders sell out their constituents as they suckle from the poisonous teats of banks and corporations, but its members are in the 99% and our potential allies. The NYPD is a brutal engine of repression and persecution paid off by the banks and whose culture of corruption gives clemency to those who rape, murder, and beat the people they're supposed to be protecting, but most individual cops are in the 99% and sympathetic to our cause. And so on and so on...
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 11:32 PM, Gabriel Johnson <gabjoh2@gmail.com> wrote: (Frowny face.) I thought you guys liked me --glj On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 11:20 PM, Jason Jones <surplus@notanalternative.net> wrote: Only option now is brutal separation. The democrats are the enemy. Smash capitalism! On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 11:19 PM, Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com> wrote: " anyone trying to co-opt our movement better be careful that they don't get
swallowed by us. " +1000
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 11:16 PM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote:
That is %#$%ed up! That is the problem with not controlling our message and not copyrighting our slogans, but we are getting free advertising. Maybe the GA should put out a message condemning their, or anybody's stealing our endorsement. One thing though, anyone trying to co-opt our movement better be careful that they don't get swallowed by us. On 10/11/11, Jason Jones<surplus@notanalternative.net> wrote: I take back what I said. http://www.democracyforamerica.com/activities/635? akid=1400.1574445.C7OweO&rd=1&t=1 It's already happened.
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 10:43 PM, Charles Lenchner <clenchner@gmail.com> wrote: Folks might be surprised at the level of liberal/radical fraternization that has been taking place since the Bloombergville stuff. The idea that liberals were ignorant, then snarky, then busy taking over is pure fantasy. I know some folks at Rebuild the Dream. They have no intention of taking over OWS. That said, y'all know Max Berger? He did the 'briefcase brigades' with 'the other 98%' group, left his old job to work on economic issues from a grassroots, youth perspective, and was then hired by RTD. You want to paint him as some outsider liberal poaching off this movement? Just crazy. And a LOT of the folks under attack as 'coopters' would fall into a similar category. Is labor backed, former ACORN chapter New York Communities for Change 'liberal'? Is the Transport Workers Union 'liberal'? That said, I'm not liberal. But some of my best friends are. And I've dated some. My sister married one. Heck, I'm pretty sure I've voted for a few in my day! So times really are a-changin'. Perhaps it is time to let bygones be bygones and let them integrate with folks like us. I lot of what I hear said about 'em is just plain ignorant.
What we really need to worry about is the People's Front of Judea. Charles On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 9:57 PM, Jason Jones <surplus@notanalternative.net> wrote: Hi I am not a liberal. In fact I am generally extremely antagonistic toward the position. In spite of that, I agree with jemcgloin. OWS has so far been very successful at building numbers without alienating. The expression of frustration that we currently collectively represent clearly targets financial centers, and doesn't preclude militant tactics (like occupation). Be grateful for how far we've come so far. For now its true we really are in this together. Until that changes (allegiances change etc.) avoid divisiveness and use the opportunity to push the whole toward the most radical ends. With numbers we could really make something of this.
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 9:23 PM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote: Hi I am a "liberal" involved in the GA since the first day. We are supposed to be and inclusive movement trying to gain support, not excluding liberals because they didn't all jump in on day one. move-on has always supported the democratic party. Their house parties have been going on all year. I went to one in July and brought people from there to the first NYCGA and moveon members have been active the whole time. I am not a fan of the democratic party, and I don't think we should be endorsing them or any other party or candidate, but we don't need to say bad things about their members, only policies or legislation we disagree with. The 99% is very big and chasing away some that are close to our positions because they work within the system is not a good idea. Diversity of tactics does not only mean civil disobedience. It can also mean that other groups can attempt to pass legislation that helps people without our condemning their existance. The moveon people that i know believe that corporations are destroying the world and are trying to fight it the way they know how. Go read the list of demands that they came up with through a national voting system. Give them advise, disagree with them but please don't come on here and claim that they are trying to steal our movement. We are all in this together. John On 10/11/11, David DeGraw<David@AmpedStatus.com> wrote:
MoveOn.Org and FriendsAttempt to Co-Opt Occupy Wall Street Movement

Tuesday 11 October 2011 by: Steve Horn, Truthout | News Analysis Gandhi once said [3] ofgrowing movements Demonstrators with the Occupy Wall of social protestation, Street protests in Zucotti Parkin New "First they ignore you, York, October 7, 2011. Protests in Wall Street section of NewYork enter their thenthey laugh at you, third week, with similar efforts then they fight you, springing up inBoston, Chicago, Los Angeles and Seattle. (Photo: Michael then you win." The Appleton /The New York Times) trajectoryof the everevolving and growing Occupy Wall Street movement followsthe same pattern almost to a "T," with slight variation. Now, apply that model to the most recent public relations andmarketing ploys of organizations like MoveOn.org, the ascendant"Reclaim the American Dream Movement" and the general segment ofsociety author and journalist Chris Hedges calls the "Liberal Class" inhis most recent book titled "The Death of the Liberal Class [4]" (of which the former two are both apart). In so doing, one can observe a perfect case study of the liberalclass in action, in four distinct acts, with one exception: "then theyfight you" can be replaced with "then they attempt to co-opt yourmovement." Act One - Getting Ignored: In the early planningstages of Occupy Wall Street, few eyes were on those working behind thescenes to make this vision a reality. With little funding backing theircause, the activists calling for this action, to those even paying anyattention to them at all (few and far between), seemed quixotic or atthe very least, overly optimistic. This was the case even to thosehighly sympathetic to the cause and its accompanying ideology. How in the world does a rag-tag bunch of activists take on thefinancial power center of the world that calls the shots politically instatehouses around the country, on a federal level and around theworld? Because the task was such a monumental undertaking, theseactivists were essentially ignored all throughout the planning stagesand into the opening days of the occupation itself. The liberal class, predictably, was nowhere to be seen in theplanning stages of Occupy Wall Street, wholeheartedly ignoring thefact, or simply not even knowing the fact, that this occupation was inthe works. Act Two - Getting Laughed at: Once it was seenthat, while not yet a movement, the people occupying Wall Street had,at the very least, legitimate grievances, the liberal class resorted toscornful tactics like mockery of the type of people in the movement -ad hominem attacks, if you will. The scorn was well-depicted by liberal environmental blogger,Grist's David Roberts, who tweeted [5],"I've been reading about #occupywallstreet for the last hour or two& it's just horrific. Practically designed to discredit leftistprotest." It was also on perfect display with liberal blogger DavidAtkins, who mockingly tweeted [6],"If you want to #occupywallstreet, 1) shave 2) wear some decent clothes3) coordinate signs about inequality 4) get a media spokesperson." Thediatribe proceeded for multiple tweets, Atkins having listed ten points.
In a post titled [7],"What's behind the scorn for the Wall Street protests?" Salon.comblogger Glenn Greenwald aptly explained their behavior and tactics,writing, "Any entity that declares itself an adversary of prevailinginstitutional power is going to be viewed with hostility byestablishment-serving institutions and their loyalists. That's just thenature of protests that take place outside approved channels, aninevitable by-product of disruptive dissent: those who are most vestedin safeguarding and legitimizing establishment prerogatives ... aregoing to be hostile to those challenges. As the virtually universaldisdain in these same circles for WikiLeaks (and, before that, for theIraq War protests) demonstrated: the more effectively adversarial itis, the more establishment hostility it's going to provoke." The liberal class, though, quickly realized that Occupy Wall Streetwas gaining traction, with leaders of the left like Francis Fox Piven [8],MichaelMoore [9], Naomi Klein [10],Cornel West [11]and Joseph Stiglitz [12]joining the cause in solidarity, and its leaders realized that it mustco-opt the movement while time is still on its side. Act Three - Co-Option: With Occupy Wall Streetoff the ground, but its longevity still in flux, MoveOn.org and itscousin, the Center For American Progress [13], and Van Jones' [14]Reclaim the American Dream Movement [15], were nowhere to be found. Instead,they were busy planning the Take BackThe American Dream Conference [16],which took place from October 3 through October 5. "Taking back the American Dream," Jones said in an interviewappearing on AlterNet [17],will be a three-step process. First, the planned November 17 "Rising Tide of Protest [18]," a protest, led by the Reclaim the American Dream Movement [15], will be held in a network ofcities throughout the United States. As FireDogLake's David Dayen explained [18],"[The] November 17 protests announced by the American Dream Movement... [are] a one-day protest across multiple cities across the countrythat organizers hope will be a massive activation of their supporters." Second, an amalgamation of coordinated house meetings and onlineteach-ins. "We're going to try to get a million leaders in Americaonline and talking with each other. And that's going to be a majorpiece," said Jones. Third and most importantly to an organization "powered by," (aka aproject of) MoveOn.org [19],which among other things, is an organization that raises campaign moneyfor Democratic Party candidates, Jones said the 2012 elections are avital piece of the puzzle. "And then there's a third piece and it's new- and it seems to have escaped people's notice - and that's that we'vesaid we're going to run 2012 people for office in 2012. Now, that's abig deal," Jones stated. "We're talking about U.S. senators who want to run as AmericanDream candidates - soon to be announced. We've reached out to the HouseDemocratic Caucus; there are House members who want to run as AmericanDream candidates," he continued. What this translates to, in layman's terms, is the very process ofcoopting a growing movement of democratic resistance and trying

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