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toreplace it with a sales pitch to go out in 2012 and vote Democrat.Jones and the Democratic Party operations in disguise, namely the likesof MoveOn.org and the Center for American Progress, are taking a pageout of the Dick Armey and Koch brothers' Tea Party co-option playbookwith this one. Indeed, many forget that before the Tea Party was an Astroturfmovement funded by Armey and the Koch brothers, it was an enragedgrassroots movement, led mostly by Ron Paul libertarians [20].Then it got co-opted and now it is a rotten pawn of corporate elites. If Occupy Wall Street organizers are not careful, this could alsobe their destiny. Act Four - Win or Be Co-Opted? That Is the Question: OccupyWall Street, now three weeks into the occupation, now finds itself in apivotal moment. Will the nonpartisan, anti-establishment movement allowitself to be co-opted by the Democratic Party serving powers that be,i.e. by the MoveOn.orgs and Center for American Progresses of theworld, or will it remain a strong, left, independent force that growswith each passing day and strikes fear into what the late sociologistC. Wright Mills calls the powerelite [21]? One thing is for certain - the liberal class is working overtime toco-opt a burgeoning social justice movement. Exhibit A: On October 5, Day 19 of Occupy Wall Street, MoveOn.orgsent out an email calling on clicktivists (as opposed to activists) to"Join the Virtual March on Wall Street." "The 99% are both aninspiration and a call that needs to be answered. So we're answering ittoday, in a nationwide Virtual March on Wall Street to support theirdemand for an economy that serves the many, not the few ... Join in thevirtual march by doing what hundreds have done spontaneously across theweb: Take your picture holding a sign that tells your story, along withthe words 'I am the 99%,'" wrote Daniel Mintz of MoveOn.org. John Stauber [22]is a longtime critic of organizations like MoveOn.org and Center forAmerican Progress, and founder of the Center for Media and Democracyand co-author of "Toxic Sludge Is Good for You," a book that exposeshow corporations and vested interests work to co-opt movements forchange. In an interview, he stated, "Don't be fooled. This willprimarily be an effort to co-opt the language and energy to salvageObama and the Dem Party. This is how you co-opt movements. The OccupyWall Streeters are not leader oriented. Van Jones will become the voiceof this in the mainstream," "The same thing happened to anti-war in 2007. MoveOn.org was, tothe mainstream, the voice of that movement," Stauber continued. "It iseasy to read between the lines. For one thing, there is no criticism ofObama in the 'Reclaim the Dream' messaging and marketing. No one with anational reputation is going to do anything to undermine hisre-election efforts. There is huge money in supporting Obama andnothing but pain and punishment in not - both desperation and selfinterest are driving this at this point in time." As Stauber alluded to, one only has to look a few years down thememory hole to see that, as William Faulkner wrote in "Requiemfor a Nun [23]," "The past isnever dead. It's not even past!"
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In an article about how the Democratic Party, teaming up withMoveOn.org and other like-minded apparatchiks, viewed the Iraq war as a"gift" to wield for electoral purposes in the 2006 elections, Stauberwrote, "And how have the Democrats treated their gift now that theycontrol Congress? The Democratic House and Senate have continued tofund the war while posturing against it ..." Later, in that same piece, Stauber juxtaposed the operatives withIraq Veterans Against the War (IVAW), an organization that is againstimperialistic foreign policy no matter who is in office, writing,"[IVAW] are not the concoction of a liberal think tank or PR firm; theyhave very little funding; they are not avoiding criticism of Democrats;and they are not playing political games trying to bank-shot Democraticcandidates into the White House and Congress in 2008. They are in opennon-violent revolt against US foreign policy, criticizing politiciansof all stripes who would exploit the war for political gain." Fast forward five years and a nearly parallel situation exists. Anindependent and democratic economic justice movement, ground zero ofwhich exists at the power center of economic injustice, namely WallStreet, has now spread to every corner of the country in some form orfashion within the framework of the Occupy Wall Street movement. The Democratic Party vultures are waiting to swoop in, steal thethunder and then make sure the focus is on electing Democrats, who arejust as much to blame as Republicans for the ascendancy of Wall Street.If anything, they are even more to blame for the pacification role theyplay in co-opting the overwhelming swath of the left time and timeagain, no matter what horrible policies they pass. Will Occupy Wall Street of 2011 be a repeat of the Iraq war of2006? Similar forces are at bay, that is for certain. It will all depend on activists deciding whether they choose to beused as a "gift," or if they choose to remain independent of the forcesof cooption. Act four, to say the least, should be interesting. http://www.truth-out.org/print/7323
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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of beka economopoulos september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] MoveOn.Org and Friends Attempt to Co-Opt Occupy Wall Street Movement Wednesday, October 12, 2011 1:55:23 PM
Actually, many mainstream orgs, including MoveOn, have been doing heavy lifting to support this thing, and they truly don't want to co-opt the movement. But the reality is the movement has gone mainstream now, and it will get sucked in to establishment politics. Astra Taylor, journalist and filmmaker said it concisely: "the Democrats would benefit from nothing more than the whole social and political playing field tilting left -- but that ain't gonna happen if they co-opt OWS! let them benefit inadvertently but that's it...we must push further". I don't think saying publicly "DFA and other groups are profiting from the movement without giving back" gets us where we need to go. Quite the opposite: that's an invitation for more mainstream participation at the same time that internally we're watering our message down (being descriptive and reactive and celebrating OWS as being about a diversity of voices, democratic process, empowering the 99%), without maintaining the radical orientation this started with. This occupation was initiated by, and remains largely organized by anticapitalists. We don't need to say the "c" word, or the "n" word (neoliberalism - the agenda of the past 40 years: privatization, deregulation, financialization, and globalization, which has led to the concentration of wealth, corruption of the political process, and accelerated the destruction of all we hold dear.). But file in the back of our heads that after the 2008 economic crash, even mainstream media headlines did go there. And outlets like the Wall Street Journal / Market Watch, Crains, IBT, and other finance industry rags are going there now. We can use softer, gentler terms: the free market, etc. But if we want accountability, regulation and restructuring of Wall Street and the finance industry we need to figure this out, and it has to play a much bigger role in OWS messaging. And an impending Eurozone crash if Greece defaults could result in a major economic crash here in the US, potentially soon. So there is an opening to push further. This isn't a denunciation of establishment orgs, there are good people within them and they all want to see this succeed. But they can't lead us there. Now that we're in a new phase (of media coverage, of participation), we owe it to everyone to radicalize our message, go beyond what these groups can publicly say. The Tea Party and radical right have always played this role. They make the establishment right uncomfortable, they divide and provoke, and they've been winning. The center moved to the right, and the republican party tows a much harder line, wielding greater influence in D.C. than they did before. OWS needs to tow a harder line. Being more explicit about the finance industry, making clear that we're not calling for easy reforms, that both parties are the problem, our political process is poisoned by the influence of money, that this is an international movement, that Egypt, Tunisia, Greece, Italy, Spain and the UK are all popular uprisings, like ours, in response to the economic crisis, the cutting of social
safety nets, budget cuts and privatization. That our economic system is broken. And we'll settle for nothing less than fundamental and structural change. I just ask that we be as radical as the mainstream finance publications that understand this movement better than the rest of the mainstream press. Start saying what they are saying. Enough focus on democracy. Talk about capitalism (/insert euphemism here). -b On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 9:44 AM, Will Gauss <willgauss@gmail.com> wrote: +1001 Sent from my iPhone On Oct 12, 2011, at 8:17 AM, Bailey McCann <bailey.mccann@gmail.com> wrote: It would seem that one of the most obvious ways to create the dividing line between OWS and groups like the DFA is to point out that they're seeking to profit off the movement. (AKA business as usual) I haven't seen anything saying that they'll be giving back any of that $14 to OWS or better yet, to any groups working with the disadvantaged. I think if we just pointed this out, and highlighted the other orgs like MoveOn who are riding the wave without actually doing any heavy lifting, people are going to key into that. If we go further and force them to answer why they thought it was ok to profiteer off a campaign going after greed, that would be an interesting moment. The moment you blanketly say we hate democrats, that becomes a divisive message and not really what everyone seems to be working at here. However, forcing the establishment democrats to answer why their go-to reaction was profiteering, that has some credibility. Bailey On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 4:29 AM, beka economopoulos <beka@notanalternative.net> wrote: Here's the thing: our messaging, our strategy, and our tactics must change based on the external landscape. When we become embraced by the Democratic Party and its allies, we must go further than what makes them comfortable. That's if we want to win more than concessions and easy reforms ( that currently exist within the realm of possibility), and achieve game-changing substantive/structural reforms ( that currently live in the realm of impossibility, that we didn't imagine we ever could see in our lifetimes). We should aim for nothing less -- why aim for closing up shop soon when we have no idea what we're capable of?
Phase 1 = vanguard moves in, initiates occupation, largely dismissed, but staying power piques curiosity, and police misconduct/violence draws attention and wins sympathy. Phase 2 = vanguards in other cities recognize potential, initiate occupations. At the same time, initial occupation gathers steam, grows, large membership orgs endorse and give legitimacy that wasn't present before, now the mainstream media start to change tune. Focus of coverage is human interest story of life in the park; and what do they want? Phase 3 = mainstream media interest explodes, NGOs, labor, community, and establishment orgs engage supporters, connect existing campaigns to #occupy frame, amplify visibility and suggestion of social movement. Democratic leadership embrace movement, as do party-related and electorally focused orgs. Media coverage attributes power to movement, queries whether it's a Tea Party for the left, whether it will gain electoral power and legislative victories. Phase 4 = ? We currently find ourselves in Phase 3. Senior members of the White House administration, and the President himself, have expressed support for OWS. Democracy for America, a Howard Dean initiated group just sent an email blast to more than a million members tonight selling yard signs that say "We Are the 99%" with co-branded urls: OccupyWallSt.org and DemocracyforAmerica.org/occupy. OWS is embraced by the establishment as a means to amplify existing agendae. Bloomberg gives tacit "permission" for our occupation, effectively rendering it non-threatening and normalizing it. Result is rise in media coverage of occupation as nuisance to neighbors. This is a natural and necessary phase. So now what? We're in this for the long haul. There are no "solutions" that can be presented quickly to make us go away. And so there will be moments where our presence is no longer an uncomfortable and unknown variable, but rather is normalized and integrated. It's in those moments that we have to push the envelop, pry open the space of possibility even farther. We go as far as we can to destabilize, but maintain momentum. And when that's the new "normal" then we go farther. That's how change happens, how we shift the terrain and the terms of the game. From an actions perspective, that means getting tactical, and mobile, activating the rest of the city, executing higher-risk actions, civil disobedience and arrests. From a media perspective, we have to get ahead of the game. We no
longer need to legitimize. Or articulate the problem. Both are clearly established. So, given this new moment how can we use media strategically? We must draw a line, disavow the Democrats explicitly, make our messaging a little uncomfortable. Yes, perhaps, split the support, lest we not be co-opted. This will be painful, internally, as it won't always achieve comfortable consensus. But to hold this space and expand the realm of possibility, we have to go farther than others are ready to go. It's how this started and we can't be too shy to be bold. -b On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 12:05 AM, Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com> wrote: This is a thing that keeps happening: we have a hard time recognizing the difference between a group and the members of that group. The Democratic Party is a corrupt money-machine organization whose leaders sell out their constituents as they suckle from the poisonous teats of banks and corporations, but its members are in the 99% and our potential allies. The NYPD is a brutal engine of repression and persecution paid off by the banks and whose culture of corruption gives clemency to those who rape, murder, and beat the people they're supposed to be protecting, but most individual cops are in the 99% and sympathetic to our cause. And so on and so on...
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 11:32 PM, Gabriel Johnson <gabjoh2@gmail.com> wrote: (Frowny face.) I thought you guys liked me --glj On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 11:20 PM, Jason Jones <surplus@notanalternative.net> wrote: Only option now is brutal separation. The democrats are the enemy. Smash capitalism! On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 11:19 PM, Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com> wrote: " anyone trying to co-opt our movement better be careful that they don't get
swallowed by us. " +1000
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 11:16 PM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote:

That is %#$%ed up! That is the problem with not controlling our message and not copyrighting our slogans, but we are getting free advertising. Maybe the GA should put out a message condemning their, or anybody's stealing our endorsement. One thing though, anyone trying to co-opt our movement better be careful that they don't get swallowed by us. On 10/11/11, Jason Jones<surplus@notanalternative.net> wrote: I take back what I said. http://www.democracyforamerica.com/activities/635? akid=1400.1574445.C7OweO&rd=1&t=1 It's already happened.
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 10:43 PM, Charles Lenchner <clenchner@gmail.com> wrote: Folks might be surprised at the level of liberal/radical fraternization that has been taking place since the Bloombergville stuff. The idea that liberals were ignorant, then snarky, then busy taking over is pure fantasy. I know some folks at Rebuild the Dream. They have no intention of taking over OWS. That said, y'all know Max Berger? He did the 'briefcase brigades' with 'the other 98%' group, left his old job to work on economic issues from a grassroots, youth perspective, and was then hired by RTD. You want to paint him as some outsider liberal poaching off this movement? Just crazy. And a LOT of the folks under attack as 'coopters' would fall into a similar category. Is labor backed, former ACORN chapter New York Communities for Change 'liberal'? Is the Transport Workers Union 'liberal'? That said, I'm not liberal. But some of my best friends are. And I've dated some. My sister married one. Heck, I'm pretty sure I've voted for a few in my day! So times really are a-changin'. Perhaps it is time to let bygones be bygones and let them integrate with folks like us. I lot of what I hear said about 'em is just plain ignorant. What we really need to worry about is the People's Front of Judea. Charles On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 9:57 PM, Jason Jones <surplus@notanalternative.net> wrote: Hi I am not a liberal. In fact I am generally extremely antagonistic toward the position. In spite of that, I agree with jemcgloin. OWS has so far been very successful at building numbers without alienating. The expression of frustration that we currently collectively represent clearly targets financial centers, and doesn't preclude militant tactics (like occupation). Be grateful for how far we've come so far. For now its true we really are in this together. Until that changes (allegiances change etc.) avoid divisiveness and use the opportunity to push the whole toward the most radical ends. With numbers we could really make something of this.
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 9:23 PM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote:

Hi I am a "liberal" involved in the GA since the first day. We are supposed to be and inclusive movement trying to gain support, not excluding liberals because they didn't all jump in on day one. move-on has always supported the democratic party. Their house parties have been going on all year. I went to one in July and brought people from there to the first NYCGA and moveon members have been active the whole time. I am not a fan of the democratic party, and I don't think we should be endorsing them or any other party or candidate, but we don't need to say bad things about their members, only policies or legislation we disagree with. The 99% is very big and chasing away some that are close to our positions because they work within the system is not a good idea. Diversity of tactics does not only mean civil disobedience. It can also mean that other groups can attempt to pass legislation that helps people without our condemning their existance. The moveon people that i know believe that corporations are destroying the world and are trying to fight it the way they know how. Go read the list of demands that they came up with through a national voting system. Give them advise, disagree with them but please don't come on here and claim that they are trying to steal our movement. We are all in this together. John On 10/11/11, David DeGraw<David@AmpedStatus.com> wrote:
MoveOn.Org and FriendsAttempt to Co-Opt Occupy Wall Street Movement

Tuesday 11 October 2011 by: Steve Horn, Truthout | News Analysis Gandhi once said [3] ofgrowing movements of Demonstrators with the Occupy Wall social protestation, "First Street protests in Zucotti Parkin New they ignore you, thenthey York, October 7, 2011. Protests in Wall Street section of NewYork enter their laugh at you, then they third week, with similar efforts fight you, then you win." springing up inBoston, Chicago, Los The trajectoryof the ever- Angeles and Seattle. (Photo: Michael Appleton /The New York Times) evolving and growing Occupy Wall Street movement followsthe same pattern almost to a "T," with slight variation. Now, apply that model to the most recent public relations andmarketing ploys of organizations like MoveOn.org, the ascendant"Reclaim the American Dream Movement" and the general segment ofsociety author and journalist Chris Hedges calls the "Liberal Class" inhis most recent book titled "The Death of the Liberal Class [4]" (of which the former two are both apart).
In so doing, one can observe a perfect case study of the liberalclass in action, in four distinct acts, with one exception: "then theyfight you" can be replaced with "then they attempt to co-opt yourmovement." Act One - Getting Ignored: In the early planningstages of Occupy Wall Street, few eyes were on those working behind thescenes to make this vision a reality. With little funding backing theircause, the activists calling for this action, to those even paying anyattention to them at all (few and far between), seemed quixotic or atthe very least, overly optimistic. This was the case even to thosehighly sympathetic to the cause and its accompanying ideology. How in the world does a rag-tag bunch of activists take on thefinancial power center of the world that calls the shots politically instatehouses around the country, on a federal level and around theworld? Because the task was such a monumental undertaking, theseactivists were essentially ignored all throughout the planning stagesand into the opening days of the occupation itself. The liberal class, predictably, was nowhere to be seen in theplanning stages of Occupy Wall Street, wholeheartedly ignoring thefact, or simply not even knowing the fact, that this occupation was inthe works. Act Two - Getting Laughed at: Once it was seenthat, while not yet a movement, the people occupying Wall Street had,at the very least, legitimate grievances, the liberal class resorted toscornful tactics like mockery of the type of people in the movement -ad hominem attacks, if you will. The scorn was well-depicted by liberal environmental blogger,Grist's David Roberts, who tweeted [5],"I've been reading about #occupywallstreet for the last hour or two& it's just horrific. Practically designed to discredit leftistprotest." It was also on perfect display with liberal blogger DavidAtkins, who mockingly tweeted [6],"If you want to #occupywallstreet, 1) shave 2) wear some decent clothes3) coordinate signs about inequality 4) get a media spokesperson." Thediatribe proceeded for multiple tweets, Atkins having listed ten points. In a post titled [7],"What's behind the scorn for the Wall Street protests?" Salon.comblogger Glenn Greenwald aptly explained their behavior and tactics,writing, "Any entity that declares itself an adversary of prevailinginstitutional power is going to be viewed with hostility byestablishment-serving institutions and their loyalists. That's just thenature of protests that take place outside approved channels, aninevitable by-product of disruptive dissent: those who are most vestedin safeguarding and legitimizing establishment prerogatives ... aregoing to be hostile to those challenges. As the virtually universaldisdain in these same circles for WikiLeaks (and, before that, for theIraq War protests) demonstrated: the more effectively adversarial itis, the more establishment hostility it's going to provoke." The liberal class, though, quickly realized that Occupy Wall Streetwas gaining traction, with leaders of the left like Francis Fox Piven [8],MichaelMoore [9], Naomi Klein [10],Cornel West [11]and Joseph Stiglitz [12]joining the cause in solidarity, and its leaders realized that it mustco-opt the movement while time is still on its side. Act Three - Co-Option: With Occupy Wall Streetoff the ground, but its longevity still in flux, MoveOn.org and itscousin, the Center For American
Progress [13], and Van Jones' [14]Reclaim the American Dream Movement [15], were nowhere to be found. Instead,they were busy planning the Take BackThe American Dream Conference [16],which took place from October 3 through October 5. "Taking back the American Dream," Jones said in an interviewappearing on AlterNet [17],will be a three-step process. First, the planned November 17 "Rising Tide of Protest [18]," a protest, led by the Reclaim the American Dream Movement [15], will be held in a network ofcities throughout the United States. As FireDogLake's David Dayen explained [18],"[The] November 17 protests announced by the American Dream Movement... [are] a one-day protest across multiple cities across the countrythat organizers hope will be a massive activation of their supporters." Second, an amalgamation of coordinated house meetings and onlineteach-ins. "We're going to try to get a million leaders in Americaonline and talking with each other. And that's going to be a majorpiece," said Jones. Third and most importantly to an organization "powered by," (aka aproject of) MoveOn.org [19],which among other things, is an organization that raises campaign moneyfor Democratic Party candidates, Jones said the 2012 elections are avital piece of the puzzle. "And then there's a third piece and it's new- and it seems to have escaped people's notice - and that's that we'vesaid we're going to run 2012 people for office in 2012. Now, that's abig deal," Jones stated. "We're talking about U.S. senators who want to run as AmericanDream candidates - soon to be announced. We've reached out to the HouseDemocratic Caucus; there are House members who want to run as AmericanDream candidates," he continued. What this translates to, in layman's terms, is the very process ofco-opting a growing movement of democratic resistance and trying toreplace it with a sales pitch to go out in 2012 and vote Democrat.Jones and the Democratic Party operations in disguise, namely the likesof MoveOn.org and the Center for American Progress, are taking a pageout of the Dick Armey and Koch brothers' Tea Party co-option playbookwith this one. Indeed, many forget that before the Tea Party was an Astroturfmovement funded by Armey and the Koch brothers, it was an enragedgrassroots movement, led mostly by Ron Paul libertarians [20].Then it got co-opted and now it is a rotten pawn of corporate elites. If Occupy Wall Street organizers are not careful, this could alsobe their destiny. Act Four - Win or Be Co-Opted? That Is the Question: OccupyWall Street, now three weeks into the occupation, now finds itself in apivotal moment. Will the nonpartisan, anti-establishment movement allowitself to be co-opted by the Democratic Party serving powers that be,i.e. by the MoveOn.orgs and Center for American Progresses of theworld, or will it remain a strong, left, independent force that growswith each passing day and strikes fear into what the late sociologistC. Wright Mills calls the powerelite [21]? One thing is for certain - the liberal class is working overtime toco-opt a
burgeoning social justice movement. Exhibit A: On October 5, Day 19 of Occupy Wall Street, MoveOn.orgsent out an email calling on clicktivists (as opposed to activists) to"Join the Virtual March on Wall Street." "The 99% are both aninspiration and a call that needs to be answered. So we're answering ittoday, in a nationwide Virtual March on Wall Street to support theirdemand for an economy that serves the many, not the few ... Join in thevirtual march by doing what hundreds have done spontaneously across theweb: Take your picture holding a sign that tells your story, along withthe words 'I am the 99%,'" wrote Daniel Mintz of MoveOn.org. John Stauber [22]is a longtime critic of organizations like MoveOn.org and Center forAmerican Progress, and founder of the Center for Media and Democracyand co-author of "Toxic Sludge Is Good for You," a book that exposeshow corporations and vested interests work to co-opt movements forchange. In an interview, he stated, "Don't be fooled. This willprimarily be an effort to co-opt the language and energy to salvageObama and the Dem Party. This is how you co-opt movements. The OccupyWall Streeters are not leader oriented. Van Jones will become the voiceof this in the mainstream," "The same thing happened to anti-war in 2007. MoveOn.org was, tothe mainstream, the voice of that movement," Stauber continued. "It iseasy to read between the lines. For one thing, there is no criticism ofObama in the 'Reclaim the Dream' messaging and marketing. No one with anational reputation is going to do anything to undermine hisre-election efforts. There is huge money in supporting Obama andnothing but pain and punishment in not - both desperation and selfinterest are driving this at this point in time." As Stauber alluded to, one only has to look a few years down thememory hole to see that, as William Faulkner wrote in "Requiemfor a Nun [23]," "The past isnever dead. It's not even past!" In an article about how the Democratic Party, teaming up withMoveOn.org and other like-minded apparatchiks, viewed the Iraq war as a"gift" to wield for electoral purposes in the 2006 elections, Stauberwrote, "And how have the Democrats treated their gift now that theycontrol Congress? The Democratic House and Senate have continued tofund the war while posturing against it ..." Later, in that same piece, Stauber juxtaposed the operatives withIraq Veterans Against the War (IVAW), an organization that is againstimperialistic foreign policy no matter who is in office, writing,"[IVAW] are not the concoction of a liberal think tank or PR firm; theyhave very little funding; they are not avoiding criticism of Democrats;and they are not playing political games trying to bank-shot Democraticcandidates into the White House and Congress in 2008. They are in opennon-violent revolt against US foreign policy, criticizing politiciansof all stripes who would exploit the war for political gain." Fast forward five years and a nearly parallel situation exists. Anindependent and democratic economic justice movement, ground zero ofwhich exists at the power center of economic injustice, namely WallStreet, has now spread to every corner of the country in some form orfashion within the framework of the Occupy Wall Street movement. The Democratic Party vultures are waiting to swoop in, steal thethunder
and then make sure the focus is on electing Democrats, who arejust as much to blame as Republicans for the ascendancy of Wall Street.If anything, they are even more to blame for the pacification role theyplay in co-opting the overwhelming swath of the left time and timeagain, no matter what horrible policies they pass. Will Occupy Wall Street of 2011 be a repeat of the Iraq war of2006? Similar forces are at bay, that is for certain. It will all depend on activists deciding whether they choose to beused as a "gift," or if they choose to remain independent of the forcesof co-option. Act four, to say the least, should be interesting. http://www.truth-out.org/print/7323
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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] National Lawyers Guild Letter to Brookfield Thursday, October 13, 2011 6:22:19 PM
I love lawyers!
On 10/13/11, Marina Sitrin<marina.sitrin@gmail.com> wrote: Attached is a letter that was faxed to Brookfield over an hour ago, putting them on legal notice that they have to show cause before trying to come into the park. Meaning, they must go to court. It is being sent to press etc, but please pass it on. (The idea of this letter was agreed upon at an afternoon emergency general assembly) See you all bright and early tomorrow! Solidarity, Marina
-Seamos realistas, hagamos lo imposible ~ che
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Vicente Rubio september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Onion article Thursday, October 13, 2011 1:01:54 AM
A brilliant analysis on what all that media pressure on "What is their demand?" is about. The Onion. Finally some serious mainstream media :) 2011/10/12 <bf0189@gmail.com> If we can't laugh at ourselves sometimes we'll never succeed :) On Oct 12, 2011 6:55pm, Gabriel Johnson <gabjoh2@gmail.com> wrote: > So we've entered the popular consciousness, and been referenced in popular culture (Saturday Night Live, the popularity of #occupysesamestreet, etc.) However, I have personally been waiting for an article in America's Finest News Source: the Onion. Well, here is that article, and I think you guys will like it. > > > > http://www.theonion.com/articles/nation-waiting-for-protesters-to-clearlyarticulat,26353/ > > > > > (It probably changed my mind on the issue of demands.) > > > --glj >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of gail zawacki september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Onion article Thursday, October 13, 2011 7:25:27 AM
kinda says it all in a nutshell! On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 7:03 PM, <bf0189@gmail.com> wrote: If we can't laugh at ourselves sometimes we'll never succeed :) On Oct 12, 2011 6:55pm, Gabriel Johnson <gabjoh2@gmail.com> wrote: > So we've entered the popular consciousness, and been referenced in popular culture (Saturday Night Live, the popularity of #occupysesamestreet, etc.) However, I have personally been waiting for an article in America's Finest News Source: the Onion. Well, here is that article, and I think you guys will like it. > > > > http://www.theonion.com/articles/nation-waiting-for-protesters-to-clearlyarticulat,26353/ > > > > > (It probably changed my mind on the issue of demands.) > > > --glj >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of bf0189@gmail.com september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Onion article Wednesday, October 12, 2011 7:04:01 PM
If we can't laugh at ourselves sometimes we'll never succeed :) On Oct 12, 2011 6:55pm, Gabriel Johnson <gabjoh2@gmail.com> wrote: > So we've entered the popular consciousness, and been referenced in popular culture (Saturday Night Live, the popularity of #occupysesamestreet, etc.) However, I have personally been waiting for an article in America's Finest News Source: the Onion. Well, here is that article, and I think you guys will like it. > > > > http://www.theonion.com/articles/nation-waiting-for-protesters-to-clearlyarticulat,26353/ > > > > > (It probably changed my mind on the issue of demands.) > > > --glj >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of guindave@aol.com september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Operation #wallstcleanup Wednesday, October 12, 2011 10:59:48 PM
This is a great idea, this may seem really boushey but what if also we used some of the money to along with this hire what we can at least say is a professional garbage stantion department of our own or who are trained as such and have them clean the park ? we could also hire are only security to watch packages comin off trucks to shut them up with that !
-----Original Message----From: Tarak Kauff <takauff@gmail.com> To: september17 <september17@googlegroups.com> Sent: Wed, Oct 12, 2011 10:56 pm Subject: Re: [september17discuss] Operation #wallstcleanup Have to admit, this is creative. TK On Oct 12, 2011, at 10:49 PM, Justin Wedes wrote: Here's my proposed idea to respond to Bloomberg/NYPD's proposed "cleanup" of the park: Operation #wallstcleanup Tonight, and all day tomorrow, all campers/supporters should reach out to friends/family/anyone to donate or purchase brooms, mops, squeegees, dust pans, garbage bags, and any other cleaning supplies to be collected at sanitation. The sanitation committee should move full-speed ahead on purchase of bins allocated by consensus at GA. After General Assembly on Thursday, we'll have a full-camp cleanup session. Sanitation can coordinate, and anyone who is available will help with the massive community effort! Then, Thursday morning, we'll awake and position ourselves with our brooms and mops in a human chain around the park, linked at the arms. If NYPD attempts to enter, we'll peacefully/non-violently stand our ground and those who are willing will get arrested. Afterwards, we'll march with brooms and mops to Wall Street to do a massive #wallstcleanup march, where the real mess is! What do we think??
-justin
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jason Jones september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Operation #wallstcleanup Thursday, October 13, 2011 9:32:26 AM
The wall st symbolic cleanup is a terrible idea and will end in disaster There will be way too many impassioned people down there who will refuse to let their right to assemble be turned into a art project. No matter how much training you impose on them. The most important thing that must happen is that people put down their mops and brooms. Otherwise when the police start arresting people for refusing to leave. Which will happen, i guarantee. The tools will be construed as weapons and justify violence on the part of the police. Much better to just have everyone link arms in solidarity. Without anything that looks like weapons. Bloomberg is calling bluff. There's no way he wants to look like the bad guy again. Especially the day before the 15th On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 8:53 AM, Amin Husain <amin.husain@gmail.com> wrote: nice we need bodies too labor and students people who plan to protect the park with their presence On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 10:49 PM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: Here's my proposed idea to respond to Bloomberg/NYPD's proposed "cleanup" of the park:
Operation #wallstcleanup
Tonight, and all day tomorrow, all campers/supporters should reach out to friends/family/anyone to donate or purchase brooms, mops, squeegees, dust pans, garbage bags, and any other cleaning supplies to be collected at sanitation. The sanitation committee should move full-speed ahead on purchase of bins allocated by consensus at GA. After General Assembly on Thursday, we'll have a full-camp cleanup session. Sanitation can coordinate, and anyone who is available will help with the massive community effort! Then, Thursday morning, we'll awake and position ourselves with our brooms and mops in a human chain around the park, linked at the arms. If NYPD attempts to enter, we'll peacefully/non-violently stand our ground and those who are willing will get arrested. Afterwards, we'll march with brooms and mops to Wall Street to do a massive #wallstcleanup march, where the real mess is!
What do we think?? -justin
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Amin Husain september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Operation #wallstcleanup Thursday, October 13, 2011 8:53:24 AM
nice we need bodies too labor and students people who plan to protect the park with their presence On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 10:49 PM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: Here's my proposed idea to respond to Bloomberg/NYPD's proposed "cleanup" of the park:
Tonight, and all day tomorrow, all campers/supporters should reach out to friends/family/anyone to donate or purchase brooms, mops, squeegees, dust pans, garbage bags, and any other cleaning supplies to be collected at sanitation. The sanitation committee should move fullspeed ahead on purchase of bins allocated by consensus at GA. After General Assembly on Thursday, we'll have a full-camp cleanup session. Sanitation can coordinate, and anyone who is available will help with the massive community effort! Then, Thursday morning, we'll awake and position ourselves with our brooms and mops in a human chain around the park, linked at the arms. If NYPD attempts to enter, we'll peacefully/non-violently stand our ground and those who are willing will get arrested. Afterwards, we'll march with brooms and mops to Wall Street to do a massive #wallstcleanup march, where the real mess is! What do we think?? -justin
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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Justin Wedes september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Operation #wallstcleanup Wednesday, October 12, 2011 11:06:17 PM London-Riot-CleanUp-Twitter.png
PS - This is what I'm envisioning on Wall Street (from London #riotcleanup 2011)
-justin On Oct 12, 2011, at 10:59 PM, J.A. Myerson wrote: That's fucking brilliant, Justin. Cosign 100%. JAM On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 10:56 PM, Tarak Kauff <takauff@gmail.com> wrote: Have to admit, this is creative. TK On Oct 12, 2011, at 10:49 PM, Justin Wedes wrote: Here's my proposed idea to respond to Bloomberg/NYPD's proposed "cleanup" of the park:
Tonight, and all day tomorrow, all campers/supporters should reach out to friends/family/anyone to donate or purchase brooms, mops, squeegees, dust pans, garbage bags, and any other cleaning supplies to be collected at sanitation. The sanitation committee should move full-speed ahead on purchase of bins allocated by consensus at GA.
After General Assembly on Thursday, we'll have a full-camp cleanup session. Sanitation can coordinate, and anyone who is available will help with the massive community effort! Then, Thursday morning, we'll awake and position ourselves with our brooms and mops in a human chain around the park, linked at the arms. If NYPD attempts to enter, we'll peacefully/non-violently stand our ground and those who are willing will get arrested. Afterwards, we'll march with brooms and mops to Wall Street to do a massive #wallstcleanup march, where the real mess is! What do we think?? -justin
-J.A. Myerson http://www.jamyerson.com 347.688.0241
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of acpollack2@juno.com september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Operation #wallstcleanup Wednesday, October 12, 2011 11:05:16 PM
Tarak, great to see you on the list! For those who don't know him, Tarak's a SERIOUS activist and IMO it's worth paying close attention to his suggestions. PS I too like the cleanup brigade/ring the park idea!
---------- Original Message ---------From: Tarak Kauff <takauff@gmail.com> To: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [september17discuss] Operation #wallstcleanup Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 22:56:01 -0400 Have to admit, this is creative. TK On Oct 12, 2011, at 10:49 PM, Justin Wedes wrote: Here's my proposed idea to respond to Bloomberg/NYPD's proposed "cleanup" of the park:
Tonight, and all day tomorrow, all campers/supporters should reach out to friends/family/anyone to donate or purchase brooms, mops, squeegees, dust pans, garbage bags, and any other cleaning supplies to be collected at sanitation. The sanitation committee should move full-speed ahead on purchase of bins allocated by consensus at GA. After General Assembly on Thursday, we'll have a full-camp cleanup session. Sanitation can coordinate, and anyone who is available will help with the massive community effort! Then, Thursday morning, we'll awake and position ourselves with our brooms and mops in a human chain around the park, linked at the arms. If NYPD attempts to enter, we'll peacefully/non-violently stand our ground and those who are willing will get arrested. Afterwards, we'll march with brooms and mops to Wall Street to do a massive #wallstcleanup march, where the real mess is! What do we think?? -justin
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Dale Luce september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Operation #wallstcleanup Wednesday, October 12, 2011 11:04:06 PM
Creative indeed. I mean, maybe if we clean it up (like...mop that shit)......thatll be the end of it? On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 10:56 PM, Tarak Kauff <takauff@gmail.com> wrote: Have to admit, this is creative. TK On Oct 12, 2011, at 10:49 PM, Justin Wedes wrote: Here's my proposed idea to respond to Bloomberg/NYPD's proposed "cleanup" of the park:
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Winter Siroco september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Operation #wallstcleanup Wednesday, October 12, 2011 11:17:43 PM
Great idea! If you are not exhausted, you may want to walk a few blocks North and sanitize City Hall too. Do not forget to pass the word to real janitors. Cesar On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 10:49 PM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: Here's my proposed idea to respond to Bloomberg/NYPD's proposed "cleanup" of the park:
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jon Good september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Operation #wallstcleanup Wednesday, October 12, 2011 11:19:56 PM
Fuck yes. I'm gonna go get some brooms right now. Jon On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 11:17 PM, Winter Siroco <wintersiroco@gmail.com> wrote: Great idea! If you are not exhausted, you may want to walk a few blocks North and sanitize City Hall too. Do not forget to pass the word to real janitors. Cesar On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 10:49 PM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: Here's my proposed idea to respond to Bloomberg/NYPD's proposed "cleanup" of the park:
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Operation #wallstcleanup Wednesday, October 12, 2011 11:23:16 PM
Make sure you read this letter closely. http://gothamist.com/2011/10/12/this_just_in_mayor_bloomberg_shows.php
On 10/12/11, Justin Wedes<jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: Here's my proposed idea to respond to Bloomberg/NYPD's proposed "cleanup" of the park:
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of beka economopoulos september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Operation #wallstcleanup Thursday, October 13, 2011 10:23:08 AM
Most important point: putting out a call to all allies for a 6 AM EVICTION DEFENSE. This is it guys. It's no accident they're moving in under this pretext a day before our day of actions. Allies from big mainstream orgs are blasting emails to millions of people right now calling on them to call Bloomberg and 311 to tell him to back off. We have our own sanitation crew. They're also calling for people to come at 6am to do eviction defense. This is it. Defend the occupation. On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 9:51 AM, Tarak Kauff <takauff@gmail.com> wrote: Jason, I hear what you are saying but if people hold the brooms peacefully with one end on the ground and the other (broom) end up the picture will be very clear that these are not weapons - a broom is not a weapon unless it is used as such. The problem is - provocateurs, and one can almost be certain that they will be there and will attempt to use the broom as a weapon and provoke a riot. Therefore, if this is to be done effectively, it must be put out to the media clearly ahead of time and the nonviolent intention made crystal clear, including to the mayor and the police. People will need great discipline to not react when and if the police do. If the police overreact (as they are likely to) and we take the blows, and it is recorded, it will go worldwide and further tremendously galvanize the movement. Remember Gandhi and the salt march. The brooms must not be raised either aggressively or to defend. Every person who is to participate must be hand picked and vetted to make sure they have the courage and willingness to abide by absolute nonviolent guidelines. If that can be done, this could be a major turning point. You will put the police and city in a lose/lose situation no matter which way they respond. If this happens tomorrow (Friday) I will come down and stand with you all. I can't make it today. Peace and solidarity, Tarak On Oct 13, 2011, at 9:32 AM, Jason Jones wrote: The wall st symbolic cleanup is a terrible idea and will end in disaster There will be way too many impassioned people down there who will refuse to let their right to assemble be turned into a art project. No matter how much training you impose on them. The most important thing that must happen is that people put down their mops
and brooms. Otherwise when the police start arresting people for refusing to leave. Which will happen, i guarantee. The tools will be construed as weapons and justify violence on the part of the police. Much better to just have everyone link arms in solidarity. Without anything that looks like weapons. Bloomberg is calling bluff. There's no way he wants to look like the bad guy again. Especially the day before the 15th On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 8:53 AM, Amin Husain <amin.husain@gmail.com> wrote: nice we need bodies too labor and students people who plan to protect the park with their presence On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 10:49 PM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: Here's my proposed idea to respond to Bloomberg/NYPD's proposed "cleanup" of the park:
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of gail zawacki september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Operation #wallstcleanup Thursday, October 13, 2011 9:39:57 AM
I wrote to occupy together to ask for recruits. Agree with Jason, many bodies linking arms is the best response. I like the idea of the brooms, but the reality is more likely to be people getting clobbered. On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 9:32 AM, Jason Jones <surplus@notanalternative.net> wrote: The wall st symbolic cleanup is a terrible idea and will end in disaster There will be way too many impassioned people down there who will refuse to let their right to assemble be turned into a art project. No matter how much training you impose on them. The most important thing that must happen is that people put down their mops and brooms. Otherwise when the police start arresting people for refusing to leave. Which will happen, i guarantee. The tools will be construed as weapons and justify violence on the part of the police. Much better to just have everyone link arms in solidarity. Without anything that looks like weapons. Bloomberg is calling bluff. There's no way he wants to look like the bad guy again. Especially the day before the 15th
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 8:53 AM, Amin Husain <amin.husain@gmail.com> wrote: nice we need bodies too labor and students people who plan to protect the park with their presence On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 10:49 PM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: Here's my proposed idea to respond to Bloomberg/NYPD's proposed "cleanup" of the park:
Tonight, and all day tomorrow, all campers/supporters should reach out to friends/family/anyone to donate or purchase brooms, mops, squeegees, dust pans, garbage bags, and any other cleaning supplies to be collected at sanitation. The sanitation committee should move full-speed ahead on purchase of bins allocated by consensus at GA. After General Assembly on Thursday, we'll have a full-camp cleanup session. Sanitation can coordinate, and anyone who is available will help with the massive community effort!
Then, Thursday morning, we'll awake and position ourselves with our brooms and mops in a human chain around the park, linked at the arms. If NYPD attempts to enter, we'll peacefully/non-violently stand our ground and those who are willing will get arrested. Afterwards, we'll march with brooms and mops to Wall Street to do a massive #wallstcleanup march, where the real mess is! What do we think?? -justin
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of J.A. Myerson september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Operation #wallstcleanup Wednesday, October 12, 2011 11:00:01 PM
That's fucking brilliant, Justin. Cosign 100%. JAM On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 10:56 PM, Tarak Kauff <takauff@gmail.com> wrote: Have to admit, this is creative. TK On Oct 12, 2011, at 10:49 PM, Justin Wedes wrote: Here's my proposed idea to respond to Bloomberg/NYPD's proposed "cleanup" of the park:
From: To: Subject: Date: september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Keegan september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] other ways to prepare for tomorrow Thursday, October 13, 2011 8:44:15 PM
I and other Time's Up! volunteers will be running bike ops starting now through tomorrow morning and until all threat of mass arrest is over, keeping track of police vans and busses. We suspect the police will wait until after dark to arrest, as our videos will be less clear, they will wear us down by keeping us on pins and needles all day, and a night arrest will not interfere with Wall Street. However, we may be able to determine this based on the movement of the busses. If you would like to stay abreast of our recon, you can text me or follow me on twitter 907 244 6426 Alaskakee on twitter Cheers Keegan Time's Up! On Oct 13, 2011 3:30 PM, "grimwomyn" <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: Also I would like to add that we need to be careful of agent provocateurs, people who work very hard at bringing divisive issues both on and off line. They will not always follow the typical picture of a middle aged white guy with a beer gut, they may be in various forms sent to create derision and infighting. Corporations would much rather see us kill the movement off ourselves with infighting than with bully clubs from police.
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 3:23 PM, acpollack2@juno.com <acpollack2@juno.com> wrote: > > I assume som...
From: To: Subject: Date: september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] other ways to prepare for tomorrow Thursday, October 13, 2011 3:30:29 PM
Also I would like to add that we need to be careful of agent provocateurs, people who work very hard at bringing divisive issues both on and off line. They will not always follow the typical picture of a middle aged white guy with a beer gut, they may be in various forms sent to create derision and infighting. Corporations would much rather see us kill the movement off ourselves with infighting than with bully clubs from police. On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 3:23 PM, acpollack2@juno.com <acpollack2@juno.com> wrote: I assume some or all of this will come up at the GA tonight and/or in working groups, but: * I'm sure our own activists, and the media, will be videoing everything tomorrow morning, but do we need special preparation to encourage and centralize immediate dissemination of video/photos of possible cop brutality? Do we need to tell the press now that we're doing such documentation, i.e. as a way of sending the public message that we expect the worst from Bloomberg and Kelly? * The same re Medics: In addition to our own Medics, maybe we should put out a special call to healthcare workers who've been volunteering from unions or elsewhere to show up -- and again, maybe put out a call to the press saying we're lining up such help as a way of sending the public message that we expect the worst from Bloomberg and Kelly. Maybe the Medics should do some emergency prep training tonight for nonmedics on how to help with emergencies, tear gas, etc., and OWSers in general should be educated on what to do if they're gassed, if they see someone getting beaten, etc. * I don't even mention the legal angle, I'm sure that's in high gear already. * All of which is a way of saying BEFOREHAND that "the whole world is watching."
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Outrageous Letter from Owner of Zuccoti Park to NYPD Thursday, October 13, 2011 12:50:45 PM
The power washing is a real thing that needs to get done-- and they are right about the cracked lighting- if it is cracked it needs to be fixed... the electrocution risk is a real thing. I would suggest that the GA somehow figure out a way to allow the power washing to come in-- the park IS beginning to smell and the powerwashing could be done in sections with crowds moving as they need to allow for it....
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 12:41 PM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: As I posted on that this morning, it reads like an eviction notice: As the letter from Brookfield Properties to Police Commissioner Kelly makes clear, there really is no path for the occupation to continue and be in compliance with their concerns for safety, public access, and sanitation. http://witsendnj.blogspot.com/2011/10/occupy-wall-street-evicted.html I am in NJ and I want to come in this afternoon for the night. The only way to stop this is as many people as possible - too many for them to arrest! Can someone who has been arrested pls. write me witsendnj at yahoo dot com - just in case, I want to be prepared and I have questions about the process. thanks On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 12:30 PM, Alex Tronolone <a.tronolone@gmail.com> wrote: The CEO of Brookfield Asset Management, owners of Zuccoti Park, sent a foul letter to Ray Kelly on Tuesday, that you can read here: http://www.docstoc.com/docs/99069159/Brookfields-Letter-toNYPD-asking-to-clear-Zuccotti-Park-of-Occupy-Wall-Street-protesters For what it's worth Brookfield's NY headquarters are not that far from the park itself:
Three World Financial Center 200 Vesey Street, 11th Floor New York, New York 10281 Tel: 212-417-7000 Fax: 212-417-7214
And Brookfield owns 11 of buildings in New York. So seems like some of the pressure should be targeted towards Brookfield, and not just Bloomberg and the city... http://www.brookfieldofficeproperties.com/content/portfolio-2904.html#/USMarkets/NewYork
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of gail zawacki september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Outrageous Letter from Owner of Zuccoti Park to NYPD Thursday, October 13, 2011 12:41:17 PM
As I posted on that this morning, it reads like an eviction notice: As the letter from Brookfield Properties to Police Commissioner Kelly makes clear, there really is no path for the occupation to continue and be in compliance with their concerns for safety, public access, and sanitation. http://witsendnj.blogspot.com/2011/10/occupy-wall-street-evicted.html I am in NJ and I want to come in this afternoon for the night. The only way to stop this is as many people as possible - too many for them to arrest! Can someone who has been arrested pls. write me witsendnj at yahoo dot com - just in case, I want to be prepared and I have questions about the process. thanks On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 12:30 PM, Alex Tronolone <a.tronolone@gmail.com> wrote: The CEO of Brookfield Asset Management, owners of Zuccoti Park, sent a foul letter to Ray Kelly on Tuesday, that you can read here: http://www.docstoc.com/docs/99069159/Brookfields-Letter-to-NYPD-askingto-clear-Zuccotti-Park-of-Occupy-Wall-Street-protesters For what it's worth Brookfield's NY headquarters are not that far from the park itself:
Three World Financial Center 200 Vesey Street, 11th Floor New York, New York 10281 Tel: 212-417-7000 Fax: 212-417-7214
And Brookfield owns 11 of buildings in New York. So seems like some of the pressure should be targeted towards Brookfield, and not just Bloomberg and the city... http://www.brookfieldofficeproperties.com/content/portfolio2904.html#/USMarkets/NewYork
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Thadeaus september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Outrageous Letter from Owner of Zuccoti Park to NYPD Thursday, October 13, 2011 12:56:53 PM
You can't get electrocuted by a cracked light fixture that isn't turned on. The lights have been turned off since the 17th of September. I think we need to be responsible and clean up after ourselves. If it needs to be power washed, we should be the ones doing that. On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 12:50 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: > The power washing is a real thing that needs to get done-- and they are > right about the cracked lighting- if it is cracked it needs to be fixed... > the electrocution risk is a real thing. I would suggest that the GA somehow > figure out a way to allow the power washing to come in-- the park IS > beginning to > smell and the powerwashing could be done in sections with crowds moving as they need to allow for it.... > > > On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 12:41 PM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> As I posted on that this morning, it reads like an eviction notice: As >> the letter from Brookfield Properties to Police Commissioner Kelly makes >> clear, there really is no path for the occupation to continue and be in >> compliance with their concerns for safety, public access, and sanitation. >> http://witsendnj.blogspot.com/2011/10/occupy-wall-street-evicted.html >> I am in NJ and I want to come in this afternoon for the night. The only >> way to stop this is as many people as possible - too many for them to >> arrest! Can someone who has been arrested pls. write me witsendnj at yahoo >> dot com - just in case, I want to be prepared and I have questions about the >> process. >> thanks >> >> On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 12:30 PM, Alex Tronolone <a.tronolone@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> The CEO of Brookfield Asset Management, owners of Zuccoti Park, sent a >>> foul letter to Ray Kelly on Tuesday, that you can read >>> here: http://www.docstoc.com/docs/99069159/Brookfields-Letter-to-NYPD-asking-to-clearZuccotti-Park-of-Occupy-Wall-Street-protesters >>> For what it's worth Brookfield's NY headquarters are not that far from >>> the park itself: >>> Three World Financial Center >>> 200 Vesey Street, 11th Floor >>> New York, New York 10281 >>> Tel: 212-417-7000 >>> Fax: 212-417-7214 >>> And Brookfield owns 11 of buildings in New York. So seems like some of >>> the pressure should be targeted towards Brookfield, and not just Bloomberg >>> and the city... >>> >>> http://www.brookfieldofficeproperties.com/content/portfolio-2904.html#/USMarkets/NewYork >> >
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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of gail zawacki september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] PLEASE READ: UPDATE FROM PR Re: "The Cleaning" Thursday, October 13, 2011 10:27:54 AM
Emphasize this: "If Bloomberg really cared about sanitation here he wouldn't have blocked porto potties and dumpsters."
Is it true though? In the very beginning I asked on this list if I could donate portapotties, because that seemed essential to me - and was told it wasn't necessary, everyone would use local restaurant facilities. On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 9:50 AM, beka economopoulos <beka@notanalternative.net> wrote: Hi all, an update: Several members of PR just hopped off the phone with external allies in Labor and other orgs and everyone's in agreement that this is a pretext to shut the occupation down. Bloombergville - a 2 wk occupation at City Hall earlier this summer - was shut down in the same way, as was the M-15 encampments in Barcelona and Madrid in late Spring. Talking points: 1) We see this as a pretext to shut the occupation down. Bloombergville - a 2 wk occupation at City Hall earlier this summer - was shut down in the same way, as was the M-15 encampments in Barcelona and Madrid in late Spring. The Brookfield "rules" -- no lying down, sleeping bags, tarps -- are untenable. 2) We have an OWS Sanitation Operation, we don't need the city's crew. We have been self-governing and self-organized and taking care of our space. We already had a big clean-up planned and we're moving that forward a day - TO TODAY. 2) If Bloomberg really cared about sanitation here he wouldn't have blocked porto potties and dumpsters. OWS allies have been working to secure these things on our behalf. 3) We won't allow them to come in. This is an occupation, not a permitted picnic. PLAN OF ACTION * Discussing holding a 3pm press conference with Julie the Chair of Community Board 1, a member of OWS, and possibly someone else. To get message out before first filing deadlines. * Allies looking into possibility of 6pm press conference with Black and Hispanic Caucus, Labor and other allies. * Allies sending email blast to membership nationally calling for phone calls to
Bloomberg and 311. Also putting call out for NYers to come at 5 or 6 am. Friday to defend the space, and if they can spend the night here great. * OWS TO DO: Want to put out all-call for cleaning support TODAY (and have some of that happen while cameras are rolling at 3pm and 6pm press conferences) * OWS TO DO: Want to put out an all-call for EVICTION DEFENSE SUPPORT AT 6AM TOMORROW MORNING. I might be forgetting something but want to send you an update now.... -New: http://blog.art21.org/2011/05/19/5-questions-for-contemporary-practicewith-not-an-alternative/ Not An Alternative http://notanalternative.com Fission Strategy http://fissionstrategy.com Phone: 917-202-5479 Skype: bekamop Twitter: http://twitter.com/bekamop
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: [uncut-braintrust] Operation #wallstcleanup Thursday, October 13, 2011 4:28:01 PM
If you hold sticks they will beat you to a bloody pulp and it will be very difficult to see on video that you weren't fighting back. But the sticks down. I feel safe in saying this on the internet where they can see it, because they already thought of it, and they are hoping that you are holding sticks tomorrow, so they can charge you with assaulting police officers after they put you in the hospital. Sincerely, John McG
On 10/13/11, Justin Wedes<jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: Great, Sam! When/where are your trainings? Specifically, it would be good to train in how to do this completely peacefully even with a large wooden broomstick in hand Justin Wedes Educator & Activist Brooklyn, NY ~ will you #occupy? ~ On Oct 13, 2011, at 1:51 AM, Samantha Corbin <srcorbin@gmail.com> wrote: In. Lets talk more about this logistically though. I have a few nvda trainings tomorrow and we can make them specific to this action. Got a blockades trainer that just landed at my apartment who can help me. There will be a contingent that wants to comply if they decide it's a reasonable request so we need to prepare for that too. I feel like this is bait. sam On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 10:49 PM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: Here's my proposed idea to respond to Bloomberg/NYPD's proposed "cleanup" of the park:
Tonight, and all day tomorrow, all campers/supporters should reach out to friends/family/anyone to donate or purchase brooms, mops, squeegees, dust pans, garbage bags, and any other cleaning supplies to be collected at sanitation. The sanitation committee should move fullspeed ahead on purchase of bins allocated by consensus at GA. After General Assembly on Thursday, we'll have a fullcamp cleanup session. Sanitation can coordinate, and anyone who is available will help with the massive
community effort! Then, Thursday morning, we'll awake and position ourselves with our brooms and mops in a human chain around the park, linked at the arms. If NYPD attempts to enter, we'll peacefully/non-violently stand our ground and those who are willing will get arrested. Afterwards, we'll march with brooms and mops to Wall Street to do a massive #wallstcleanup march, where the real mess is! What do we think?? -justin
-Samantha Corbin 203-470-8675 srcorbin@gmail.com http://other98.com/
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Justin Wedes september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: [uncut-braintrust] Operation #wallstcleanup Thursday, October 13, 2011 4:36:50 PM
Yes, I think this was discussed this morning and probably a good idea to put em down when we lock arms. I'm all for picking them back up for the arch, though. Justin Wedes Educator & Activist Brooklyn, NY ~ will you #occupy? ~ On Oct 13, 2011, at 4:27 PM, jemcgloin@verizon.net wrote:
If you hold sticks they will beat you to a bloody pulp and it will be very difficult to see on video that you weren't fighting back. But the sticks down. I feel safe in saying this on the internet where they can see it, because they already thought of it, and they are hoping that you are holding sticks tomorrow, so they can charge you with assaulting police officers after they put you in the hospital. Sincerely, John McG
On 10/13/11, Justin Wedes<jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: Great, Sam! When/where are your trainings? Specifically, it would be good to train in how to do this completely peacefully even with a large wooden broomstick in hand Justin Wedes Educator & Activist Brooklyn, NY ~ will you #occupy? ~ On Oct 13, 2011, at 1:51 AM, Samantha Corbin <srcorbin@gmail.com> wrote: In. Lets talk more about this logistically though. I have a few nvda trainings tomorrow and we can make them specific to this action. Got a blockades trainer that just landed at my apartment who can help me. There will be a contingent that wants to comply if they decide it's a reasonable request so we need to prepare for that too. I feel like this is bait. sam
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 10:49 PM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: Here's my proposed idea to respond to Bloomberg/NYPD's proposed "cleanup" of the park:
Tonight, and all day tomorrow, all campers/supporters should reach out to friends/family/anyone to donate or purchase brooms, mops, squeegees, dust pans, garbage bags, and any other cleaning supplies to be collected at sanitation. The sanitation committee should move full-speed ahead on purchase of bins allocated by consensus at GA. After General Assembly on Thursday, we'll have a full-camp cleanup session. Sanitation can coordinate, and anyone who is available will help with the massive community effort! Then, Thursday morning, we'll awake and position ourselves with our brooms and mops in a human chain around the park, linked at the arms. If NYPD attempts to enter, we'll peacefully/nonviolently stand our ground and those who are willing will get arrested. Afterwards, we'll march with brooms and mops to Wall Street to do a massive #wallstcleanup march, where the real mess is! What do we think?? -justin
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of gail zawacki september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: [uncut-braintrust] Operation #wallstcleanup Thursday, October 13, 2011 8:46:05 AM
If you read the entire letter from Brookfield you can see they intend to end OWS. http://gothamist.com/2011/10/12/this_just_in_mayor_bloomberg_shows.php What about sending a request for human recruits to occupytogether? I think the only way to stop them from clearing the encampment is to flood it with many, many people.
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 2:00 AM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: Great, Sam! When/where are your trainings? Specifically, it would be good to train in how to do this completely peacefully even with a large wooden broomstick in hand Justin Wedes Educator & Activist Brooklyn, NY ~ will you #occupy? ~ On Oct 13, 2011, at 1:51 AM, Samantha Corbin <srcorbin@gmail.com> wrote: In. Lets talk more about this logistically though. I have a few nvda trainings tomorrow and we can make them specific to this action. Got a blockades trainer that just landed at my apartment who can help me. There will be a contingent that wants to comply if they decide it's a reasonable request so we need to prepare for that too. I feel like this is bait. sam On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 10:49 PM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: Here's my proposed idea to respond to Bloomberg/NYPD's proposed "cleanup" of the park:
Tonight, and all day tomorrow, all campers/supporters should reach out to friends/family/anyone to donate or purchase brooms, mops, squeegees, dust pans, garbage bags, and any other cleaning supplies to be collected at sanitation. The sanitation committee should move full-speed
ahead on purchase of bins allocated by consensus at GA. After General Assembly on Thursday, we'll have a full-camp cleanup session. Sanitation can coordinate, and anyone who is available will help with the massive community effort! Then, Thursday morning, we'll awake and position ourselves with our brooms and mops in a human chain around the park, linked at the arms. If NYPD attempts to enter, we'll peacefully/non-violently stand our ground and those who are willing will get arrested. Afterwards, we'll march with brooms and mops to Wall Street to do a massive #wallstcleanup march, where the real mess is! What do we think?? -justin
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: [Wall St A&C] Post-Eviction Strategies? Thursday, October 13, 2011 6:05:00 PM
Yes we have a short term tactical situation here, but it needs to be looked at with a clear, long term strategic vision. Don't let the cops steal all our stuff. They will go from calling it garbage to evidence in about 10 seconds.
On 10/13/11, Matthew Bralow<mbralow@gmail.com> wrote: we may want to try this... as we did with bloombergville... i was thinking we needed to do this anyway since we have outgrown the space and need to spread *A 2000 court ruling in Met Council v. NYPD stated that "[T]he Court concludes that the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution does not allow the City to prevent an orderly political protest from using public sleeping as a means of symbolic expression The City concedes that the conduct involved in this protest poses no particular danger to vigil participants and no risk of obstructing the sidewalk." perhaps sleep outside nearby buildings (preferably ones with scaffolding for shielding against rain) or perhaps tax evading companies or elected officials offices or homes that are not supportive of occupy wall st and this movement for social, economic and environmental justice. there are so many to choose from... but for the time being... get the sleeping bags out and keep them safe and secure for other occupations ---------Metropolitan Council Inc. v. Safir, 99 F. Supp. 2d 438 (S.D.N.Y. 2000). Plaintiff, a tenants advocacy organization, filed suit to enjoin the city from preventing vigil participants who were protesting city rent increases from lying and sleeping on city sidewalks. The city took the position that it had authority to forbid all sleeping on city sidewalks because of the interest in safeguarding sleeping persons from the dangers of public places and keeping the sidewalks clear of obstructions. The court granted the preliminary injunction ruling that the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution does not allow the city to prevent an orderly political protest from using public sleeping as a symbolic expression. The Court held a statute that bans all public sleeping in any manner on public sidewalks is overbroad. However, the Court did not maintain that the city could never regulate disorderly public sleeping. On that issue, the Court expresse[d] no opinion on and erect[ed] no bar to the Citys prosecution for disorderly conduct of persons who are vulnerable and/or risk creating obstructions when they sleep prone on a City sidewalk. --------http://www.leagle.com/xmlResult.aspx?xmldoc=200053799FSupp2d438_1492.xml&docbase=CSLWAR2-19862006i was thinking it was the next logical step anyway since we are outgrowing the park and needing to spread...
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 5:46 PM, Kyle Christopher <kyle.christopher@occupywallst.org> wrote: > I know I have been researching no sit lie law in new York state. I suggest > everyone else does the same. This is a good place to start... > > http://public.leginfo.state.ny.us/menugetf.cgi?COMMONQUERY=LAWS > > It would also serve everyone well to read > > http://www.aeinstein.org/organizations/org/FDTD.pdf > > Considering that's what the entire process were following is based on. > > And as far as any working groups are concerned I would issue a moratorium on > all meetings unless they are related to anything after 12am to 11:59pm > Friday Oct 14th > > I wouldn't hold any g.a. meetings unless they relate to the "eviction" > notice > > I would however get some sleep > Get my shit either together completely if not already out of the park by > midnight > Close down every on site working group > And gather into a tight well linked ball of people near the center of the > park. > Try and have some kind of advantage... > > This is all of course what I would do if I wernt filming the event > tonight... > > and its just an opinion.... > > On Oct 13, 2011 4:32 PM, "tmaud" <tmtsunoda@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Hi everyone, >> >> As the movement rallies to stand up against the eviction action >> tomorrow, I'm noticing no one's talking about strategies for how to >> handle the fall out of the action. >> >> Although I carry great optimism and hope for tomorrow's outcome, my >> true belief is that, even if you could eat off the floor of Zuccotti >> Park by 6am tomorrow, the park is going to be cleared by force. >> >> Some of us will be standing up against the action. Some of us won't >> be able to be there (including me). >> >> Can we start a support team of those of us who won't be present >> tomorrow who can maybe help with continuity, in case many of our >> members are in jail during our 6pm meeting tomorrow? >> >> Also - maybe those of us who won't be there can offer to come bail out >> group members who get arrested, if those people don't have another >> person to call?
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
I will personally make that offer now - if you are standing up against the eviction tomorrow and don't have someone to call for a bail out if you get arrested, please email me before tomorrow morning, and I'll help as many people as I can afford to. I will be unable to arrive until after 4pm, but can be there for you after that. With love and worry, Tomi
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Will Gauss september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: Drumming getting more complaints Wednesday, October 12, 2011 12:21:51 AM
+1 Sent from my iPhone On Oct 11, 2011, at 11:52 PM, Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com> wrote: Yes! On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 11:19 PM, LaurenD <laurendapfraiz@gmail.com> wrote: This is actually a good idea. We should encourage drummers and musicians to go around the city or area and bring people to us as a form of outreach.
On Oct 11, 5:56 pm, jemcgl...@verizon.net wrote: > As a musician who has been receiving noise complaints my whole life I have to say this guy has a point. Maybe the drummers should travel around some more; going to different parts of the city and drumming up support (yuk yuk yuk) as outreach, and cut our neighbors a bit of a break. > > > > > > > > On 10/11/11,Justin Wedes<jwedes@gmail.com>wrote:From a resident nearby. Many of these have been coming in. > > > > How about a proposal tonight to ask drummers to cease playing or move to Battery Park for drumming during GA times (7-10pm)? > > > > -justin > > > > To Occupy Wall Street > > As a neighborhood resident, a lifelong Democrat, worker on the
Obama campaign, and in general in sync with the politics of OWS, I am telling you here and now that the incessant drumming has to stop and stop now, not just at 10PM each night, but stopped completely. I live 1/2 block from Zucotti Park, and there are many other residential buildings on Liberty Street and Cedar Street that are affected by this. Are you aware that residential buildings are next to the Park The noise is maddening, I hear it constantly and I am currently working from home as I recover from a recent surgery. > > You are alienating the people who should be supporting you. Note that I have cc'ed a number or people and organizations, but not the NYPD, not yet; all of them are Democrats who I am sure are sympathetic to your cause. > > But the drumming has to stop. This neighborhood is not just Wall St bankers, far from it. I am sure you aware of the enormous trauma that occurred in this neighborhood; many of us chose to stay through circumstances I know you cannot imagine. We have lived through enormous destruction and now through construction, which, although quite positive, challenges us on a daily basis, most especially noise. And now we have your constant drumming. Is that fair? Is that inclusive? Is that what you want? > > There are many, many people in this neighborhood who have not fully recovered psychologically from 9/11. More than you can imagine, who suffer in ways you have absolutely no idea, not just from mental causes, from physical as well. Although we know about the First Responders who have become ill, don't you realize that many residents in Lower Manhattan have also become ill? Do you think the constant drumming can help them or hurt them? Answer that question yourselves. > > When will you become aware that you are hurting the people who are your allies? > > Finally, the sanitation issue must get under control. Easy fix: Get Port-A-Sans. If your organization is not going to leave Zucotti Park, as many in the Park tell me, then get the sanitation under control and get us some peace in our just-beginning-to-heal neighborhood. > > Your cause has gained national and international recognition, and for that, you should be commended, and if this does lead to real change in this country, a great victory could be achieved. > > But for now, I am asking politely and respectfully, stop the drumming. > > Thank you > > Steven Abramson > 114 Liberty Street
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Charles Lenchner september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: Drumming getting more complaints Wednesday, October 12, 2011 8:37:40 AM
Justin, didn't this come up yesterday? And before that? What is holding back a GA decision regarding the drumming? Charles On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 12:21 AM, Will Gauss <willgauss@gmail.com> wrote: +1 Sent from my iPhone On Oct 11, 2011, at 11:52 PM, Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com> wrote: Yes! On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 11:19 PM, LaurenD <laurendapfraiz@gmail.com> wrote: This is actually a good idea. We should encourage drummers and musicians to go around the city or area and bring people to us as a form of outreach.
On Oct 11, 5:56 pm, jemcgl...@verizon.net wrote: > As a musician who has been receiving noise complaints my whole life I have to say this guy has a point. Maybe the drummers should travel around some more; going to different parts of the city and drumming up support (yuk yuk yuk) as outreach, and cut our neighbors a bit of a break. > > > > > > > > On 10/11/11,Justin Wedes<jwedes@gmail.com>wrote:From a resident nearby. Many of these have been coming in. > > > > How about a proposal tonight to ask drummers to cease playing or move to Battery Park for drumming during GA times (7-10pm)? > > > > -justin
> > > > To Occupy Wall Street > > As a neighborhood resident, a lifelong Democrat, worker on the Obama campaign, and in general in sync with the politics of OWS, I am telling you here and now that the incessant drumming has to stop and stop now, not just at 10PM each night, but stopped completely. I live 1/2 block from Zucotti Park, and there are many other residential buildings on Liberty Street and Cedar Street that are affected by this. Are you aware that residential buildings are next to the Park The noise is maddening, I hear it constantly and I am currently working from home as I recover from a recent surgery. > > You are alienating the people who should be supporting you. Note that I have cc'ed a number or people and organizations, but not the NYPD, not yet; all of them are Democrats who I am sure are sympathetic to your cause. > > But the drumming has to stop. This neighborhood is not just Wall St bankers, far from it. I am sure you aware of the enormous trauma that occurred in this neighborhood; many of us chose to stay through circumstances I know you cannot imagine. We have lived through enormous destruction and now through construction, which, although quite positive, challenges us on a daily basis, most especially noise. And now we have your constant drumming. Is that fair? Is that inclusive? Is that what you want? > > There are many, many people in this neighborhood who have not fully recovered psychologically from 9/11. More than you can imagine, who suffer in ways you have absolutely no idea, not just from mental causes, from physical as well. Although we know about the First Responders who have become ill, don't you realize that many residents in Lower Manhattan have also become ill? Do you think the constant drumming can help them or hurt them? Answer that question yourselves. > > When will you become aware that you are hurting the people who are your allies? > > Finally, the sanitation issue must get under control. Easy fix: Get Port-A-Sans. If your organization is not going to leave Zucotti Park, as many in the Park tell me, then get the sanitation under control and get us some peace in our just-beginning-to-heal neighborhood. > > Your cause has gained national and international recognition, and for that, you should be commended, and if this does lead to real change in this country, a great victory could be achieved. > > But for now, I am asking politely and respectfully, stop the drumming. >
> Thank you > > Steven Abramson > 114 Liberty Street
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: emergency demos in other cities to protect OWS (or protest repression afterward)? Thursday, October 13, 2011 11:00:44 PM
sample tweet: Stand with us in solidarity starting @ 6am. #wearethe99percent & we stand for our economic civil rights. #ows http://occupytogether.org On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 10:48 PM, radleft <bill.occupyws@gmail.com> wrote: I agree with grim, let's light them up. "An injury to one, is an injury to all" is an operational directive, imho. On Oct 13, 10:27 pm, grimwomyn <grimwo...@gmail.com> wrote: > I like the rally cry for every city starting at 6am..... > > On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 10:25 PM, acpolla...@juno.com > <acpolla...@juno.com>wrote: > > > > > > > > > Can we, should we, issue a call for: > > * emergency protests ASAP, at the very least by 6 am, in every city where > > there is an Occupy? > > * "day of" protests (as we do when a bombing overseas is expected), again > > in every such city, for 5 pm Friday to catch those who could only come after > > work? > > I ask because all the wonderful appeals I've seen have said 6 am in NY, or > > email or call otherwise -- why shouldn't that "otherwise" be RALLY IN YOUR > > OWN CITY, IN EVERY CITY, IN THE MORNING AND AFTER WORK! > > Andy
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Thadeaus september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: IMP: Bloomberg Statement on Moving in to "Clean" the Park Wednesday, October 12, 2011 10:05:26 PM
We shouldn't work with them. We should clean up after ourselves. I think on Friday we need to rally as many occupiers and supporters as possible to the park and make sure we continue to hold the space. On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 10:00 PM, J.A. Myerson <jesse.myerson@gmail.com> wrote: > We have a sanitation working group. Why can't they work with Brookfield to > clean the area with campers still in place? > On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 9:57 PM, JeremyToG <exitjmouse@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Possibly cruel question to ask: "Why can't you clean with us around >> anyway?" >> >> Alternatively, help with the cleaning to be part of it without having >> to leave the area. Or encircle any areas to be cleaned so that they >> don't get blocked off. >> >> On Oct 12, 9:52 pm, jemcgl...@verizon.net wrote: >> > That's bizarre. Any idea when they plan to show up? >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On 10/12/11,beka economopoulos<beka@notanalternative.net>wrote:I find >> > this to be of great concern: The cleaning will be done in stages and the >> > protesters will be able to return to the areas that have been cleaned, >> > provided they abide by the rules that Brookfield has established for the >> > park. >> > >> > It was precisely this process thatended the M-15 encampmentsin Spain >> > this past Spring. What does "the rules that Brookfield has established for >> > the park" mean? >> > >> > >> > >> > Need to have strategy conversation about this, prepare media response >> > (or choose not to), determine game plan for this as a possible scenario, >> > most likely in the wee hours of the night. >> > >> > >> > >> > Beka >> > >> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------From:Colin Moynihan >> > <colinrmoynihan@gmail.com>Date:October 12, 2011 8:07:15 PM >> > EDTTo:kira.annika@gmail.comSubject:from: Colin Moynihan; City hall statement >> > >> > STATEMENT OF DEPUTY MAYOR FOR OPERATIONS CAS HOLLOWAYEarlier this
>> > evening, Mayor Bloomberg went to Zuccotti Park to talkwith the protesters >> > himself and inform them that on Friday morningBrookfield Properties will >> > clean the park.Brookfield Properties owns Zuccotti Park, and built it as an >> > amenityfor the general public. As the protest has continued, Brookfield >> > hasexpressed concern about its inability to clean the park and maintainit in >> > a condition fit for public use. Brookfield conveyed theseconcerns in a >> > letter they sent to the City.The Mayor is a strong believer in the First >> > Amendment and believesthat the protesters have a right to continue to >> > protest. At the sametime, the last three weeks have created unsanitary >> > conditions andconsiderable wear and tear on the park. This situation is not >> > in thebest interests of the protesters, residents or the City.The cleaning >> > will be done in stages and the protesters will be ableto return to the areas >> > that have been cleaned, provided they abide bythe rules that Brookfield has >> > established for the park. >> > >> > >> > --New: http://blog.art21.org/2011/05/19/5-questions-for-contemporary-practice-with-not-analternative/ >> > >> > >> > >> > Not An Alternativehttp://notanalternative.com >> > >> > >> > Fission Strategy >> > >> > http://fissionstrategy.com >> > >> > >> > Phone: 917-202-5479 >> > Skype: bekamop >> > Twitter:http://twitter.com/bekamop > > > -> J.A. Myerson > http://www.jamyerson.com > 347.688.0241 >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of acpollack2@juno.com september17@googlegroups.com; labor-outreach-committee@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: IMP: Bloomberg Statement on Moving in to "Clean" the Park Thursday, October 13, 2011 7:55:55 AM
While we're contemplating the mop and broom brigade to counter Bloomberg's "clean to evict" threat, we should reach out to 32BJ regarding this issue (I've cc'd the LOC to that end). At least a thousand office cleaners marched from Wall Street to OWS yesterday: http://www.seiu32bj.org/au/PR_2011_1012NY.asp If we come up with a united public plan against Bloomberg's sham clean-up, we could as part of it issue a statement (if 32BJ agrees) saying that we have been handling park clean-up on our own, and now we are turning to the professional cleaners of 32BJ for cleaning advice, and that we will work with them on a democratic, volunteer basis: OUR cleaners cleaning OUR park. Which at the same time will give us an opportunity to express support for the contract demands of cleaners up and down the East Coast.
---------- Original Message ---------From: Amin Husain <amin.husain@gmail.com> To: "september17@googlegroups.com" <september17@googlegroups.com> Cc: september17 <september17@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: [september17discuss] Re: IMP: Bloomberg Statement on Moving in to "Clean" the Park Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 07:41:53 -0400 I think there should be no negotiation or coordination on this point. However, a discussion at the General Assembly is probably appropriate as an agenda item. On Oct 13, 2011, at 2:44 AM, nikolai <nfrech@gmail.com> wrote: > against these current social injustices, civil disobedience is an > honor. thorough cleaning thursday, lockdown with posters to shield > from tazers, and hold out on friday. > > On Oct 13, 1:17 am, Dan Anderson <medananderson...@gmail.com> wrote: >> This is exactly how the Bloombergville encampment was ended. The >> company said they wanted to clean the walls and we could return >> afterwards. >> >> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 9:34 PM, beka economopoulos >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> <b...@notanalternative.net> wrote: >>> I find this to be of great concern: The cleaning will be done in stages and
>>> the protesters will be able to return to the areas that have been cleaned, >>> provided they abide by the rules that Brookfield has established for the >>> park. >>> It was precisely this process that ended the M-15 encampments in Spain this >>> past Spring. What does "the rules that Brookfield has established for the >>> park" mean? >>> Need to have strategy conversation about this, prepare media response (or >>> choose not to), determine game plan for this as a possible scenario, most >>> likely in the wee hours of the night. >>> Beka >> >>> ---------- Forwarded message --------->> >>> From: Colin Moynihan <colinrmoyni...@gmail.com> >>> Date: October 12, 2011 8:07:15 PM EDT >>> To: kira.ann...@gmail.com >>> Subject: from: Colin Moynihan; City hall statement >> >>> STATEMENT OF DEPUTY MAYOR FOR OPERATIONS CAS HOLLOWAY >> >>> Earlier this evening, Mayor Bloomberg went to Zuccotti Park to talk >>> with the protesters himself and inform them that on Friday morning >>> Brookfield Properties will clean the park. >> >>> Brookfield Properties owns Zuccotti Park, and built it as an amenity >>> for the general public. As the protest has continued, Brookfield has >>> expressed concern about its inability to clean the park and maintain >>> it in a condition fit for public use. Brookfield conveyed these >>> concerns in a letter they sent to the City. >> >>> The Mayor is a strong believer in the First Amendment and believes >>> that the protesters have a right to continue to protest. At the same >>> time, the last three weeks have created unsanitary conditions and >>> considerable wear and tear on the park. This situation is not in the >>> best interests of the protesters, residents or the City. >> >>> The cleaning will be done in stages and the protesters will be able >>> to return to the areas that have been cleaned, provided they abide by >>> the rules that Brookfield has established for the park. >> >>> ->>> New: http://blog.art21.org/2011/05/19/5-questions-for-contemporary-practic... >>> Not An Alternative >>> http://notanalternative.com >>> Fission Strategy >>> http://fissionstrategy.com >> >>> Phone: 917-202-5479 >>> Skype: bekamop >>> Twitter:http://twitter.com/bekamop
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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Amin Husain september17@googlegroups.com september17 Re: [september17discuss] Re: IMP: Bloomberg Statement on Moving in to "Clean" the Park Thursday, October 13, 2011 7:44:33 AM
I think there should be no negotiation or coordination on this point. However, a discussion at the General Assembly is probably appropriate as an agenda item. On Oct 13, 2011, at 2:44 AM, nikolai <nfrech@gmail.com> wrote: > against these current social injustices, civil disobedience is an > honor. thorough cleaning thursday, lockdown with posters to shield > from tazers, and hold out on friday. > > On Oct 13, 1:17 am, Dan Anderson <medananderson...@gmail.com> wrote: >> This is exactly how the Bloombergville encampment was ended. The >> company said they wanted to clean the walls and we could return >> afterwards. >> >> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 9:34 PM, beka economopoulos >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> <b...@notanalternative.net> wrote: >>> I find this to be of great concern: The cleaning will be done in stages and >>> the protesters will be able to return to the areas that have been cleaned, >>> provided they abide by the rules that Brookfield has established for the >>> park. >>> It was precisely this process that ended the M-15 encampments in Spain this >>> past Spring. What does "the rules that Brookfield has established for the >>> park" mean? >>> Need to have strategy conversation about this, prepare media response (or >>> choose not to), determine game plan for this as a possible scenario, most >>> likely in the wee hours of the night. >>> Beka >> >>> ---------- Forwarded message --------->> >>> From: Colin Moynihan <colinrmoyni...@gmail.com> >>> Date: October 12, 2011 8:07:15 PM EDT >>> To: kira.ann...@gmail.com >>> Subject: from: Colin Moynihan; City hall statement >> >>> STATEMENT OF DEPUTY MAYOR FOR OPERATIONS CAS HOLLOWAY >> >>> Earlier this evening, Mayor Bloomberg went to Zuccotti Park to talk >>> with the protesters himself and inform them that on Friday morning >>> Brookfield Properties will clean the park. >> >>> Brookfield Properties owns Zuccotti Park, and built it as an amenity >>> for the general public. As the protest has continued, Brookfield has >>> expressed concern about its inability to clean the park and maintain >>> it in a condition fit for public use. Brookfield conveyed these
>>> >> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >>>
concerns in a letter they sent to the City. The Mayor is a strong believer in the First Amendment and believes that the protesters have a right to continue to protest. At the same time, the last three weeks have created unsanitary conditions and considerable wear and tear on the park. This situation is not in the best interests of the protesters, residents or the City. The cleaning will be done in stages and the protesters will be able to return to the areas that have been cleaned, provided they abide by the rules that Brookfield has established for the park. -New: http://blog.art21.org/2011/05/19/5-questions-for-contemporary-practic... Not An Alternative http://notanalternative.com Fission Strategy http://fissionstrategy.com Phone: 917-202-5479 Skype: bekamop Twitter:http://twitter.com/bekamop
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Dale Luce september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: IMP: Bloomberg Statement on Moving in to "Clean" the Park Wednesday, October 12, 2011 10:12:12 PM
Why dont we make thursday clean up day and encourage everyone to get involved? !?!?! On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 10:00 PM, J.A. Myerson <jesse.myerson@gmail.com> wrote: We have a sanitation working group. Why can't they work with Brookfield to clean the area with campers still in place? On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 9:57 PM, JeremyToG <exitjmouse@gmail.com> wrote: Possibly cruel question to ask: "Why can't you clean with us around anyway?" Alternatively, help with the cleaning to be part of it without having to leave the area. Or encircle any areas to be cleaned so that they don't get blocked off. On Oct 12, 9:52 pm, jemcgl...@verizon.net wrote: > That's bizarre. Any idea when they plan to show up? > > > > > > > > > > On 10/12/11,beka economopoulos<beka@notanalternative.net>wrote:I find this to be of great concern: The cleaning will be done in stages and the protesters will be able to return to the areas that have been cleaned, provided they abide by the rules that Brookfield has established for the park. > > It was precisely this process thatended the M-15 encampmentsin Spain this past Spring. What does "the rules that Brookfield has established for the park" mean? > > > > Need to have strategy conversation about this, prepare media response (or choose not to), determine game plan for this as a possible scenario, most likely in the wee hours of the night. > > > > Beka > > ---------- Forwarded message ----------From:Colin Moynihan <colinrmoynihan@gmail.com>Date:October 12, 2011 8:07:15 PM
EDTTo:kira.annika@gmail.comSubject:from: Colin Moynihan; City hall statement > > STATEMENT OF DEPUTY MAYOR FOR OPERATIONS CAS HOLLOWAYEarlier this evening, Mayor Bloomberg went to Zuccotti Park to talkwith the protesters himself and inform them that on Friday morningBrookfield Properties will clean the park.Brookfield Properties owns Zuccotti Park, and built it as an amenityfor the general public. As the protest has continued, Brookfield hasexpressed concern about its inability to clean the park and maintainit in a condition fit for public use. Brookfield conveyed theseconcerns in a letter they sent to the City.The Mayor is a strong believer in the First Amendment and believesthat the protesters have a right to continue to protest. At the sametime, the last three weeks have created unsanitary conditions andconsiderable wear and tear on the park. This situation is not in thebest interests of the protesters, residents or the City.The cleaning will be done in stages and the protesters will be ableto return to the areas that have been cleaned, provided they abide bythe rules that Brookfield has established for the park. > > --New: http://blog.art21.org/2011/05/19/5-questions-for-contemporarypractice-with-not-an-alternative/ > > > > Not An Alternativehttp://notanalternative.com > > > Fission Strategy > > http://fissionstrategy.com > > > Phone: 917-202-5479 > Skype: bekamop > Twitter:http://twitter.com/bekamop
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of beka economopoulos september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: IMP: Bloomberg Statement on Moving in to "Clean" the Park Wednesday, October 12, 2011 11:05:55 PM
That's great Justin, we're working on a statement to that effect, like the framing. Other point of information: the local community board and political allies have been trying to push the mayor for permits for Porto Potties and dumpsters nearby. If he truly cared about sanitation in the park, he would allow this. On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 11:03 PM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: Tarak, This is a very thoughtful analysis, but I believe that our stance on this should be one of insisting on doing our own cleanup, consistent with our philosophy of selfpolicing and self-government. The NYPD/Bloomberg are trying to sway public opinion against us and create a pretext to enforce Brookfield's rules at the park, which are tantamount to evicting us as we are in violation of all of them (written after our arrival). This is confirmed in statements by Deputy Mayor for Operations Cas Holloway:
Added Holloway: The cleaning will be done in stages and the protesters will be able to return to the areas that have been cleaned, provided they abide by the rules that Brookfield has established for the park.
(from http://blogs.wsj.com/metropolis/2011/10/12/occupy-wall-street-gets-a-visitfrom-mayor-bloomberg/?KEYWORDS=occupy+wall+street ) So I propose that we do not allow the city to coordinate any cleaning of the park, unless they want to work with us and within our existing sanitation protocols. -justin On Oct 12, 2011, at 10:54 PM, Tarak Kauff wrote: IMHO this is wrong - Bloomberg dictating terms to OWS. He and whoever else he wants should offer to meet in open and respectful negotiations with a designated committee from OWS as equals and talk about his concerns for clean up, if OWD is amenable to that. Then the committee can bring whatever offer Bloomberg and company make back to the assembly and get back to Bloomberg with a response. Let him know that Liberty Park belongs to the people. Let him know that neither he nor the police brutality can dictate terms to the people. Private property my ass. It was stolen originally from the Indians. As many of you know October2011 recently accepted an offer by the NPS in DC to extend their permit (which had expired) for an additional 4 months. We did not ask for an extension of the permit (the police offered it) and we were prepared to stay without one. (The purpose of the original permit was only to get our foot in the door effectively). We made it very clear to the police that we intended to stay with or
without a permit. The negotiators from Freedom Plaza gave no concessions, made no deals, also made it clear that non-violent resistance actions would continue in DC. But by virtue of the popularity of the OWS movements around the country and by virtue of what has been achieved already by those in Liberty PLaza the police in DC realized that any attempt to remove us would look very bad, consequently we were in a position of power. We had already set up tents, been sleeping at the park and serving food, all beyond the original restrictions of the permit. So when the police offered and extension with no strings attached, the assembly decided to take it. What happens from here on out depends on the numbers we have. If the numbers drop in Freedom Plaza the police can find an excuse to move us out, but for now we are relatively secure. There is a difference between police in DC and in NYC. In my experience the NYC police and the city administration are much more brutal and arrogant with regard to protests. That said, I think Bloomberg may also realize how bad he will look if he has the police try to forcibly remove people from Liberty Plaza. So my suggestion is to negotiate and give up nothing. Make everything public, insist on complete transparency. OWS may be able to get the city to actually help clean up the park without giving up anything. TK On Oct 12, 2011, at 9:57 PM, JeremyToG wrote: Possibly cruel question to ask: "Why can't you clean with us around anyway?" Alternatively, help with the cleaning to be part of it without having to leave the area. Or encircle any areas to be cleaned so that they don't get blocked off. On Oct 12, 9:52 pm, jemcgl...@verizon.net wrote: That's bizarre. Any idea when they plan to show up?
On 10/12/11,beka economopoulos<beka@notanalternative.net>wrote:I find this to be of great concern: The cleaning will be done in stages and the protesters will be able to return to the areas that have been cleaned, provided they abide by the rules that Brookfield has established for the park.
It was precisely this process thatended the M-15 encampmentsin Spain this past Spring. What does "the rules that Brookfield has established for the park" mean?
Need to have strategy conversation about this, prepare media response (or choose not to), determine game plan for this as a possible scenario, most likely in the wee hours of the night.
Beka
---------- Forwarded message ----------From:Colin Moynihan <colinrmoynihan@gmail.com>Date:October 12, 2011 8:07:15 PM EDTTo:kira.annika@gmail.comSubject:from: Colin Moynihan; City hall statement
STATEMENT OF DEPUTY MAYOR FOR OPERATIONS CAS HOLLOWAYEarlier this evening, Mayor Bloomberg went to Zuccotti Park to talkwith the protesters himself and inform them that on Friday morningBrookfield Properties will clean the park.Brookfield Properties owns Zuccotti Park, and built it as an amenityfor the general public. As the protest has continued, Brookfield hasexpressed concern about its inability to clean the park and maintainit in a condition fit for public use. Brookfield conveyed theseconcerns in a letter
they sent to the City.The Mayor is a strong believer in the First Amendment and believesthat the protesters have a right to continue to protest. At the sametime, the last three weeks have created unsanitary conditions andconsiderable wear and tear on the park. This situation is not in thebest interests of the protesters, residents or the City.The cleaning will be done in stages and the protesters will be ableto return to the areas that have been cleaned, provided they abide bythe rules that Brookfield has established for the park.
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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Justin Wedes september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: IMP: Bloomberg Statement on Moving in to "Clean" the Park Wednesday, October 12, 2011 11:03:12 PM
Tarak, This is a very thoughtful analysis, but I believe that our stance on this should be one of insisting on doing our own cleanup, consistent with our philosophy of selfpolicing and self-government. The NYPD/Bloomberg are trying to sway public opinion against us and create a pretext to enforce Brookfield's rules at the park, which are tantamount to evicting us as we are in violation of all of them (written after our arrival). This is confirmed in statements by Deputy Mayor for Operations Cas Holloway:
(from http://blogs.wsj.com/metropolis/2011/10/12/occupy-wall-street-gets-a-visitfrom-mayor-bloomberg/?KEYWORDS=occupy+wall+street ) So I propose that we do not allow the city to coordinate any cleaning of the park, unless they want to work with us and within our existing sanitation protocols. -justin On Oct 12, 2011, at 10:54 PM, Tarak Kauff wrote: IMHO this is wrong - Bloomberg dictating terms to OWS. He and whoever else he wants should offer to meet in open and respectful negotiations with a designated committee from OWS as equals and talk about his concerns for clean up, if OWD is amenable to that. Then the committee can bring whatever offer Bloomberg and company make back to the assembly and get back to Bloomberg with a response. Let him know that Liberty Park belongs to the people. Let him know that neither he nor the police brutality can dictate terms to the people. Private property my ass. It was stolen originally from the Indians. As many of you know October2011 recently accepted an offer by the NPS in DC to extend their permit (which had expired) for an additional 4 months. We did not ask for an extension of the permit (the police offered it) and we were prepared to stay without one. (The purpose of the original permit was only to get our foot in the door effectively). We made it very clear to the police that we intended to stay with or without a permit. The negotiators from Freedom Plaza gave no concessions, made no deals, also made it clear that non-violent resistance actions would continue in DC. But by virtue of the popularity of the OWS movements around the country and by virtue of what has been achieved already by those in Liberty PLaza the police in DC realized that any attempt to remove us would look very bad, consequently we were in a position of
power. We had already set up tents, been sleeping at the park and serving food, all beyond the original restrictions of the permit. So when the police offered and extension with no strings attached, the assembly decided to take it. What happens from here on out depends on the numbers we have. If the numbers drop in Freedom Plaza the police can find an excuse to move us out, but for now we are relatively secure. There is a difference between police in DC and in NYC. In my experience the NYC police and the city administration are much more brutal and arrogant with regard to protests. That said, I think Bloomberg may also realize how bad he will look if he has the police try to forcibly remove people from Liberty Plaza. So my suggestion is to negotiate and give up nothing. Make everything public, insist on complete transparency. OWS may be able to get the city to actually help clean up the park without giving up anything. TK On Oct 12, 2011, at 9:57 PM, JeremyToG wrote: Possibly cruel question to ask: "Why can't you clean with us around anyway?" Alternatively, help with the cleaning to be part of it without having to leave the area. Or encircle any areas to be cleaned so that they don't get blocked off. On Oct 12, 9:52 pm, jemcgl...@verizon.net wrote: That's bizarre. Any idea when they plan to show up?
On 10/12/11,beka economopoulos<beka@notanalternative.net>wrote:I find this

to be of great concern: The cleaning will be done in stages and the protesters will be able to return to the areas that have been cleaned, provided they abide by the rules that Brookfield has established for the park.
Beka
STATEMENT OF DEPUTY MAYOR FOR OPERATIONS CAS HOLLOWAYEarlier this evening, Mayor Bloomberg went to Zuccotti Park to talkwith the protesters himself and inform them that on Friday morningBrookfield Properties will clean the park.Brookfield Properties owns Zuccotti Park, and built it as an amenityfor the general public. As the protest has continued, Brookfield hasexpressed concern about its inability to clean the park and maintainit in a condition fit for public use. Brookfield conveyed theseconcerns in a letter they sent to the City.The Mayor is a strong believer in the First Amendment and believesthat the protesters have a right to continue to protest. At the sametime, the last three weeks have created unsanitary conditions andconsiderable wear and tear on the park. This situation is not in thebest interests of the protesters, residents or the City.The cleaning will be done in stages and the protesters will be ableto return to the areas
that have been cleaned, provided they abide bythe rules that Brookfield has established for the park.
Fission Strategy
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of beka economopoulos september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: IMP: Bloomberg Statement on Moving in to "Clean" the Park Wednesday, October 12, 2011 11:27:09 PM
NEED LINK TO BROOKFIELD "RULES / FLYER" ASAP. PLEASE SEND.
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 11:24 PM, Tarak Kauff <takauff@gmail.com> wrote: Justin, I agree with you and your idea is creative and beautiful as well as strategically sound. Go for it. Solidarity, Tarak On Oct 12, 2011, at 11:05 PM, beka economopoulos wrote: That's great Justin, we're working on a statement to that effect, like the framing. Other point of information: the local community board and political allies have been trying to push the mayor for permits for Porto Potties and dumpsters nearby. If he truly cared about sanitation in the park, he would allow this. On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 11:03 PM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: Tarak, This is a very thoughtful analysis, but I believe that our stance on this should be one of insisting on doing our own cleanup, consistent with our philosophy of self-policing and self-government. The NYPD/Bloomberg are trying to sway public opinion against us and create a pretext to enforce Brookfield's rules at the park, which are tantamount to evicting us as we are in violation of all of them (written after our arrival). This is confirmed in statements by Deputy Mayor for Operations Cas Holloway:
(from http://blogs.wsj.com/metropolis/2011/10/12/occupy-wall-street-gets-avisit-from-mayor-bloomberg/?KEYWORDS=occupy+wall+street ) So I propose that we do not allow the city to coordinate any cleaning of the park, unless they want to work with us and within our existing sanitation protocols. -justin On Oct 12, 2011, at 10:54 PM, Tarak Kauff wrote:
IMHO this is wrong - Bloomberg dictating terms to OWS. He and whoever else he wants should offer to meet in open and respectful negotiations with a designated committee from OWS as equals and talk about his concerns for clean up, if OWD is amenable to that. Then the committee can bring whatever offer Bloomberg and company make back to the assembly and get back to Bloomberg with a response. Let him know that Liberty Park belongs to the people. Let him know that neither he nor the police brutality can dictate terms to the people. Private property my ass. It was stolen originally from the Indians. As many of you know October2011 recently accepted an offer by the NPS in DC to extend their permit (which had expired) for an additional 4 months. We did not ask for an extension of the permit (the police offered it) and we were prepared to stay without one. (The purpose of the original permit was only to get our foot in the door effectively). We made it very clear to the police that we intended to stay with or without a permit. The negotiators from Freedom Plaza gave no concessions, made no deals, also made it clear that non-violent resistance actions would continue in DC. But by virtue of the popularity of the OWS movements around the country and by virtue of what has been achieved already by those in Liberty PLaza the police in DC realized that any attempt to remove us would look very bad, consequently we were in a position of power. We had already set up tents, been sleeping at the park and serving food, all beyond the original restrictions of the permit. So when the police offered and extension with no strings attached, the assembly decided to take it. What happens from here on out depends on the numbers we have. If the numbers drop in Freedom Plaza the police can find an excuse to move us out, but for now we are relatively secure. There is a difference between police in DC and in NYC. In my experience the NYC police and the city administration are much more brutal and arrogant with regard to protests. That said, I think Bloomberg may also realize how bad he will look if he has the police try to forcibly remove people from Liberty Plaza. So my suggestion is to negotiate and give up nothing. Make everything public, insist on complete transparency. OWS may be able to get the city to actually help clean up the park without giving up anything. TK On Oct 12, 2011, at 9:57 PM, JeremyToG wrote: Possibly cruel question to ask: "Why can't you clean with us around anyway?" Alternatively, help with the cleaning to be part of it without having to leave the area. Or encircle any areas to be cleaned so that they don't get blocked off.
On Oct 12, 9:52 pm, jemcgl...@verizon.net wrote: That's bizarre. Any idea when they plan to show up?
Beka
STATEMENT OF DEPUTY MAYOR FOR OPERATIONS CAS HOLLOWAYEarlier this evening, Mayor Bloomberg went to Zuccotti Park to talkwith the protesters himself and inform them that on Friday morningBrookfield Properties will clean the park.Brookfield Properties owns Zuccotti Park, and built it as an amenityfor the general public. As the protest has continued, Brookfield hasexpressed concern about its inability to clean the park and maintainit in a condition fit for public use. Brookfield conveyed theseconcerns in a letter they sent to the City.The Mayor is a strong believer in the First Amendment and believesthat the protesters have a right to continue to protest. At the sametime, the last three weeks have created unsanitary conditions andconsiderable wear and tear on the park. This situation is not in thebest interests of the protesters, residents or the City.The cleaning will be done in stages and the protesters will be ableto return to the areas that have been cleaned, provided they abide bythe rules that Brookfield has established for the park.
Fission Strategy
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Justin Wedes september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: IMP: Bloomberg Statement on Moving in to "Clean" the Park Wednesday, October 12, 2011 11:53:13 PM
Here it is: http://yfrog.com/klqduubj notice how tailored the rules are to our presence and activities. we made origami out of these ;) On Oct 12, 2011, at 11:27 PM, beka economopoulos wrote: NEED LINK TO BROOKFIELD "RULES / FLYER" ASAP. PLEASE SEND.
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 11:24 PM, Tarak Kauff <takauff@gmail.com> wrote: Justin, I agree with you and your idea is creative and beautiful as well as strategically sound. Go for it. Solidarity, Tarak On Oct 12, 2011, at 11:05 PM, beka economopoulos wrote: That's great Justin, we're working on a statement to that effect, like the framing. Other point of information: the local community board and political allies have been trying to push the mayor for permits for Porto Potties and dumpsters nearby. If he truly cared about sanitation in the park, he would allow this. On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 11:03 PM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: Tarak, This is a very thoughtful analysis, but I believe that our stance on this should be one of insisting on doing our own cleanup, consistent with our philosophy of self-policing and self-government. The NYPD/Bloomberg are trying to sway public opinion against us and create a pretext to enforce Brookfield's rules at the park, which are tantamount to evicting us as we are in violation of all of them (written after our arrival). This is confirmed in statements by Deputy
Mayor for Operations Cas Holloway:
(from http://blogs.wsj.com/metropolis/2011/10/12/occupy-wallstreet-gets-a-visit-from-mayor-bloomberg/? KEYWORDS=occupy+wall+street ) So I propose that we do not allow the city to coordinate any cleaning of the park, unless they want to work with us and within our existing sanitation protocols. -justin On Oct 12, 2011, at 10:54 PM, Tarak Kauff wrote: IMHO this is wrong - Bloomberg dictating terms to OWS. He and whoever else he wants should offer to meet in open and respectful negotiations with a designated committee from OWS as equals and talk about his concerns for clean up, if OWD is amenable to that. Then the committee can bring whatever offer Bloomberg and company make back to the assembly and get back to Bloomberg with a response. Let him know that Liberty Park belongs to the people. Let him know that neither he nor the police brutality can dictate terms to the people. Private property my ass. It was stolen originally from the Indians. As many of you know October2011 recently accepted an offer by the NPS in DC to extend their permit (which had expired) for an additional 4 months. We did not ask for an extension of the permit (the police offered it) and we were prepared to stay without one. (The purpose of the original permit was only to get our foot in the door effectively). We made it very clear to the police that we intended to stay with or without a permit. The negotiators from Freedom Plaza gave no concessions, made no deals, also made it clear that non-violent resistance actions would continue in DC. But by virtue of the popularity of the OWS movements around the country and by virtue of what has been achieved already by those in Liberty PLaza the police in DC realized that any attempt to remove us would look very bad, consequently we were in a position of power. We had already set up tents, been sleeping at the park and serving food, all beyond the original restrictions of the permit. So when the police offered and extension with no strings attached, the assembly decided to take it. What happens from here on out depends on the numbers we have. If the numbers drop in Freedom Plaza the police can find an excuse to move us out, but for now we are
relatively secure. There is a difference between police in DC and in NYC. In my experience the NYC police and the city administration are much more brutal and arrogant with regard to protests. That said, I think Bloomberg may also realize how bad he will look if he has the police try to forcibly remove people from Liberty Plaza. So my suggestion is to negotiate and give up nothing. Make everything public, insist on complete transparency. OWS may be able to get the city to actually help clean up the park without giving up anything. TK On Oct 12, 2011, at 9:57 PM, JeremyToG wrote: Possibly cruel question to ask: "Why can't you clean with us around anyway?" Alternatively, help with the cleaning to be part of it without having to leave the area. Or encircle any areas to be cleaned so that they don't get blocked off. On Oct 12, 9:52 pm, jemcgl...@verizon.net wrote: That's bizarre. Any idea when they plan to show up?
On 10/12/11,beka economopoulos<beka@notanalternative.net>w
rote:I find this to be of great concern: The cleaning will be done in stages and the protesters will be able to return to the areas that have been cleaned, provided they abide by the rules that Brookfield has established for the park.
It was precisely this process thatended the M15 encampmentsin Spain this past Spring. What does "the rules that Brookfield has established for the park" mean?
Beka
---------- Forwarded message ---------From:Colin Moynihan <colinrmoynihan@gmail.com>Date:October 12, 2011 8:07:15 PM EDTTo:kira.annika@gmail.comSubject:from: Colin Moynihan; City hall statement
STATEMENT OF DEPUTY MAYOR FOR OPERATIONS CAS HOLLOWAYEarlier this evening, Mayor Bloomberg went to Zuccotti Park to talkwith the protesters himself and inform them that on Friday morningBrookfield Properties will clean the park.Brookfield Properties owns Zuccotti Park, and built it as an amenityfor the general public. As the protest has continued, Brookfield hasexpressed
concern about its inability to clean the park and maintainit in a condition fit for public use. Brookfield conveyed theseconcerns in a letter they sent to the City.The Mayor is a strong believer in the First Amendment and believesthat the protesters have a right to continue to protest. At the sametime, the last three weeks have created unsanitary conditions andconsiderable wear and tear on the park. This situation is not in thebest interests of the protesters, residents or the City.The cleaning will be done in stages and the protesters will be ableto return to the areas that have been cleaned, provided they abide bythe rules that Brookfield has established for the park.
--New: http://blog.art21.org/2011/05/19/5questions-for-contemporary-practice-with-notan-alternative/
Fission Strategy
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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of beka economopoulos september17@googlegroups.com; pr-working-group@googlegroups.com; globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: IMP: Bloomberg Statement on Moving in to "Clean" the Park Wednesday, October 12, 2011 11:56:34 PM
Hey there, spoke with NY Times reporter, they already filed the story but he'll try to get a quote in before it goes to print (and get it up online). Here's what I said, short and sweet, it's all he could take: "As the Occupy Wall Street movement has grown in Liberty Square we have been vigorously working to ensure safe and sanitary conditions. We recognize the importance of being good neighbors. Just days ago, the mayor said we could be there indefinitely, but the caveat that we must abide by the rules that Brookfield established after the occupation began that forbid lying down, smoking, having sleeping bags and generators amount to a political maneuver to end the occupation." We can can continue to massage a proper statement, I think we'd want to add something like "we are committed to continue this occupation and inspiring others around the world". Please note, this is our opening statement. Not done here -- there's a political strategy, a media strategy, a sanitation team strategy, and actions strategy to be considered. Let's continue to discuss. Yes, sanitation is indeed an issue, and we must prioritize it. We have a massive clean-up already planned for Friday. Also, political allies have been working to get Porta Potties and dumpsters nearby that we can use, but Bloomberg has blocked these efforts. If our sanitation team and the city sanitation team can work side by side, great. But if police are involved in any way, forget it. And this giant loophole: "abide by Brookfield's rules" is a deal-breaker. -b On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 11:27 PM, beka economopoulos <beka@notanalternative.net> wrote: NEED LINK TO BROOKFIELD "RULES / FLYER" ASAP. PLEASE SEND.
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 11:24 PM, Tarak Kauff <takauff@gmail.com> wrote: Justin, I agree with you and your idea is creative and beautiful as well as strategically sound. Go for it. Solidarity, Tarak On Oct 12, 2011, at 11:05 PM, beka economopoulos wrote:
That's great Justin, we're working on a statement to that effect, like the framing. Other point of information: the local community board and political allies have been trying to push the mayor for permits for Porto Potties and dumpsters nearby. If he truly cared about sanitation in the park, he would allow this. On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 11:03 PM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: Tarak, This is a very thoughtful analysis, but I believe that our stance on this should be one of insisting on doing our own cleanup, consistent with our philosophy of self-policing and self-government. The NYPD/Bloomberg are trying to sway public opinion against us and create a pretext to enforce Brookfield's rules at the park, which are tantamount to evicting us as we are in violation of all of them (written after our arrival). This is confirmed in statements by Deputy Mayor for Operations Cas Holloway:
(from http://blogs.wsj.com/metropolis/2011/10/12/occupy-wall-street-gets-avisit-from-mayor-bloomberg/?KEYWORDS=occupy+wall+street ) So I propose that we do not allow the city to coordinate any cleaning of the park, unless they want to work with us and within our existing sanitation protocols. -justin On Oct 12, 2011, at 10:54 PM, Tarak Kauff wrote: IMHO this is wrong - Bloomberg dictating terms to OWS. He and whoever else he wants should offer to meet in open and respectful negotiations with a designated committee from OWS as equals and talk about his concerns for clean up, if OWD is amenable to that. Then the committee can bring whatever offer Bloomberg and company make back to the assembly and get back to Bloomberg with a response. Let him know that Liberty Park belongs to the people. Let him know that neither he nor the police brutality can dictate terms to the people. Private property my ass. It was stolen originally from the Indians. As many of you know October2011 recently accepted an offer by the NPS in DC to extend their permit (which had expired) for an additional 4 months. We did not ask for an extension of the permit (the police offered it) and we were prepared to stay without one. (The purpose of the original permit was only to get our foot in the door effectively). We made it very clear to the police that we intended to stay with or without a permit. The negotiators from Freedom Plaza gave no concessions, made no deals, also made it clear that non-violent resistance actions would continue in DC. But
by virtue of the popularity of the OWS movements around the country and by virtue of what has been achieved already by those in Liberty PLaza the police in DC realized that any attempt to remove us would look very bad, consequently we were in a position of power. We had already set up tents, been sleeping at the park and serving food, all beyond the original restrictions of the permit. So when the police offered and extension with no strings attached, the assembly decided to take it. What happens from here on out depends on the numbers we have. If the numbers drop in Freedom Plaza the police can find an excuse to move us out, but for now we are relatively secure. There is a difference between police in DC and in NYC. In my experience the NYC police and the city administration are much more brutal and arrogant with regard to protests. That said, I think Bloomberg may also realize how bad he will look if he has the police try to forcibly remove people from Liberty Plaza. So my suggestion is to negotiate and give up nothing. Make everything public, insist on complete transparency. OWS may be able to get the city to actually help clean up the park without giving up anything. TK On Oct 12, 2011, at 9:57 PM, JeremyToG wrote: Possibly cruel question to ask: "Why can't you clean with us around anyway?" Alternatively, help with the cleaning to be part of it without having to leave the area. Or encircle any areas to be cleaned so that they don't get blocked off. On Oct 12, 9:52 pm, jemcgl...@verizon.net wrote: That's bizarre. Any idea when they plan to show up?
Beka
STATEMENT OF DEPUTY MAYOR FOR OPERATIONS CAS HOLLOWAYEarlier this evening, Mayor Bloomberg went to Zuccotti Park to talkwith the protesters himself and inform them that on Friday morningBrookfield Properties will clean the park.Brookfield Properties owns Zuccotti Park, and built it as an amenityfor the general public. As the protest has continued, Brookfield hasexpressed
concern about its inability to clean the park and maintainit in a condition fit for public use. Brookfield conveyed theseconcerns in a letter they sent to the City.The Mayor is a strong believer in the First Amendment and believesthat the protesters have a right to continue to protest. At the sametime, the last three weeks have created unsanitary conditions andconsiderable wear and tear on the park. This situation is not in thebest interests of the protesters, residents or the City.The cleaning will be done in stages and the protesters will be ableto return to the areas that have been cleaned, provided they abide bythe rules that Brookfield has established for the park.
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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of shaista husain september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: IMP: Bloomberg Statement on Moving in to "Clean" the Park Thursday, October 13, 2011 9:32:05 AM
In addition, to support from 32BJ and our own clean up brigade, there is going to be a contingent of families with children spending Friday night, as was discussed in yesterday's meeting--this is a great opportunity to launch a media campaign that includes workers and families with children. On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 8:24 AM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: > I think it's important to carefully read the letter linked to earlier from > Brookfield Properties to the Police Commissioner, which goes into more > detail about the property owner's objections - it is much more specific than > Bloomberg's statement: > http://gothamist.com/2011/10/12/this_just_in_mayor_bloomberg_shows.php > It appears to be asking the police for the park to be emptied of protestors, > since there is no other way to fulfill their complaints, particularly the > "safety" issues of generators, and lighting becoming an electrical hazard. > On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 7:54 AM, acpollack2@juno.com <acpollack2@juno.com> > wrote: >> >> While we're contemplating the mop and broom brigade to counter Bloomberg's >> "clean to evict" threat, we should reach out to 32BJ regarding this >> issue (I've cc'd the LOC to that end). >> At least a thousand office cleaners marched from Wall Street to OWS >> yesterday: >> http://www.seiu32bj.org/au/PR_2011_1012NY.asp >> If we come up with a united public plan against Bloomberg's sham clean-up, >> we could as part of it issue a statement (if 32BJ agrees) saying that we >> have been handling park clean-up on our own, and now we are turning to the >> professional cleaners of 32BJ for cleaning advice, and that we will work >> with them on a democratic, volunteer basis: OUR cleaners cleaning OUR park. >> Which at the same time will give us an opportunity to express support for >> the contract demands of cleaners up and down the East Coast. >> >> >> >> ---------- Original Message --------->> From: Amin Husain <amin.husain@gmail.com> >> To: "september17@googlegroups.com" <september17@googlegroups.com> >> Cc: september17 <september17@googlegroups.com> >> Subject: Re: [september17discuss] Re: IMP: Bloomberg Statement on Moving >> in to "Clean" the Park >> Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 07:41:53 -0400 >> >> I think there should be no negotiation or coordination on this point. >> However, a discussion at the General Assembly is probably appropriate as an >> agenda item. >> >> On Oct 13, 2011, at 2:44 AM, nikolai <nfrech@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > against these current social injustices, civil disobedience is an >> > honor. thorough cleaning thursday, lockdown with posters to shield >> > from tazers, and hold out on friday. >> >
>> > On Oct 13, 1:17 am, Dan Anderson <medananderson...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> This is exactly how the Bloombergville encampment was ended. The >> >> company said they wanted to clean the walls and we could return >> >> afterwards. >> >> >> >> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 9:34 PM, beka economopoulos >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> <b...@notanalternative.net> wrote: >> >>> I find this to be of great concern: The cleaning will be done in >> >>> stages and >> >>> the protesters will be able to return to the areas that have been >> >>> cleaned, >> >>> provided they abide by the rules that Brookfield has established for >> >>> the >> >>> park. >> >>> It was precisely this process that ended the M-15 encampments in Spain >> >>> this >> >>> past Spring. What does "the rules that Brookfield has established for >> >>> the >> >>> park" mean? >> >>> Need to have strategy conversation about this, prepare media response >> >>> (or >> >>> choose not to), determine game plan for this as a possible scenario, >> >>> most >> >>> likely in the wee hours of the night. >> >>> Beka >> >> >> >>> ---------- Forwarded message --------->> >> >> >>> From: Colin Moynihan <colinrmoyni...@gmail.com> >> >>> Date: October 12, 2011 8:07:15 PM EDT >> >>> To: kira.ann...@gmail.com >> >>> Subject: from: Colin Moynihan; City hall statement >> >> >> >>> STATEMENT OF DEPUTY MAYOR FOR OPERATIONS CAS HOLLOWAY >> >> >> >>> Earlier this evening, Mayor Bloomberg went to Zuccotti Park to talk >> >>> with the protesters himself and inform them that on Friday morning >> >>> Brookfield Properties will clean the park. >> >> >> >>> Brookfield Properties owns Zuccotti Park, and built it as an amenity >> >>> for the general public. As the protest has continued, Brookfield has >> >>> expressed concern about its inability to clean the park and maintain >> >>> it in a condition fit for public use. Brookfield conveyed these >> >>> concerns in a letter they sent to the City. >> >> >> >>> The Mayor is a strong believer in the First Amendment and believes >> >>> that the protesters have a right to continue to protest. At the same >> >>> time, the last three weeks have created unsanitary conditions and >> >>> considerable wear and tear on the park. This situation is not in the >> >>> best interests of the protesters, residents or the City. >> >> >> >>> The cleaning will be done in stages and the protesters will be able >> >>> to return to the areas that have been cleaned, provided they abide by
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >>>
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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of gail zawacki september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: IMP: Bloomberg Statement on Moving in to "Clean" the Park Thursday, October 13, 2011 8:24:31 AM
I think it's important to carefully read the letter linked to earlier from Brookfield Properties to the Police Commissioner, which goes into more detail about the property owner's objections - it is much more specific than Bloomberg's statement: http://gothamist.com/2011/10/12/this_just_in_mayor_bloomberg_shows.php It appears to be asking the police for the park to be emptied of protestors, since there is no other way to fulfill their complaints, particularly the "safety" issues of generators, and lighting becoming an electrical hazard. On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 7:54 AM, acpollack2@juno.com <acpollack2@juno.com> wrote: While we're contemplating the mop and broom brigade to counter Bloomberg's "clean to evict" threat, we should reach out to 32BJ regarding this issue (I've cc'd the LOC to that end). At least a thousand office cleaners marched from Wall Street to OWS yesterday: http://www.seiu32bj.org/au/PR_2011_1012NY.asp If we come up with a united public plan against Bloomberg's sham clean-up, we could as part of it issue a statement (if 32BJ agrees) saying that we have been handling park clean-up on our own, and now we are turning to the professional cleaners of 32BJ for cleaning advice, and that we will work with them on a democratic, volunteer basis: OUR cleaners cleaning OUR park. Which at the same time will give us an opportunity to express support for the contract demands of cleaners up and down the East Coast.
---------- Original Message ---------From: Amin Husain <amin.husain@gmail.com> To: "september17@googlegroups.com" <september17@googlegroups.com> Cc: september17 <september17@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: [september17discuss] Re: IMP: Bloomberg Statement on Moving in to "Clean" the Park Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 07:41:53 -0400 I think there should be no negotiation or coordination on this point. However, a discussion at the General Assembly is probably appropriate as an agenda item. On Oct 13, 2011, at 2:44 AM, nikolai <nfrech@gmail.com> wrote: > against these current social injustices, civil disobedience is an > honor. thorough cleaning thursday, lockdown with posters to shield > from tazers, and hold out on friday. > > On Oct 13, 1:17 am, Dan Anderson <medananderson...@gmail.com> wrote: >> This is exactly how the Bloombergville encampment was ended. The >> company said they wanted to clean the walls and we could return
>> afterwards. >> >> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 9:34 PM, beka economopoulos >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> <b...@notanalternative.net> wrote: >>> I find this to be of great concern: The cleaning will be done in stages and >>> the protesters will be able to return to the areas that have been cleaned, >>> provided they abide by the rules that Brookfield has established for the >>> park. >>> It was precisely this process that ended the M-15 encampments in Spain this >>> past Spring. What does "the rules that Brookfield has established for the >>> park" mean? >>> Need to have strategy conversation about this, prepare media response (or >>> choose not to), determine game plan for this as a possible scenario, most >>> likely in the wee hours of the night. >>> Beka >> >>> ---------- Forwarded message --------->> >>> From: Colin Moynihan <colinrmoyni...@gmail.com> >>> Date: October 12, 2011 8:07:15 PM EDT >>> To: kira.ann...@gmail.com >>> Subject: from: Colin Moynihan; City hall statement >> >>> STATEMENT OF DEPUTY MAYOR FOR OPERATIONS CAS HOLLOWAY >> >>> Earlier this evening, Mayor Bloomberg went to Zuccotti Park to talk >>> with the protesters himself and inform them that on Friday morning >>> Brookfield Properties will clean the park. >> >>> Brookfield Properties owns Zuccotti Park, and built it as an amenity >>> for the general public. As the protest has continued, Brookfield has >>> expressed concern about its inability to clean the park and maintain >>> it in a condition fit for public use. Brookfield conveyed these >>> concerns in a letter they sent to the City. >> >>> The Mayor is a strong believer in the First Amendment and believes >>> that the protesters have a right to continue to protest. At the same >>> time, the last three weeks have created unsanitary conditions and >>> considerable wear and tear on the park. This situation is not in the >>> best interests of the protesters, residents or the City. >> >>> The cleaning will be done in stages and the protesters will be able >>> to return to the areas that have been cleaned, provided they abide by >>> the rules that Brookfield has established for the park. >> >>> -Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com
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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of J.A. Myerson september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: IMP: Bloomberg Statement on Moving in to "Clean" the Park Wednesday, October 12, 2011 10:00:40 PM
We have a sanitation working group. Why can't they work with Brookfield to clean the area with campers still in place? On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 9:57 PM, JeremyToG <exitjmouse@gmail.com> wrote: Possibly cruel question to ask: "Why can't you clean with us around anyway?" Alternatively, help with the cleaning to be part of it without having to leave the area. Or encircle any areas to be cleaned so that they don't get blocked off. On Oct 12, 9:52 pm, jemcgl...@verizon.net wrote: > That's bizarre. Any idea when they plan to show up? > > > > > > > > > > On 10/12/11,beka economopoulos<beka@notanalternative.net>wrote:I find this to be of great concern: The cleaning will be done in stages and the protesters will be able to return to the areas that have been cleaned, provided they abide by the rules that Brookfield has established for the park. > > It was precisely this process thatended the M-15 encampmentsin Spain this past Spring. What does "the rules that Brookfield has established for the park" mean? > > > > Need to have strategy conversation about this, prepare media response (or choose not to), determine game plan for this as a possible scenario, most likely in the wee hours of the night. > > > > Beka > > ---------- Forwarded message ----------From:Colin Moynihan <colinrmoynihan@gmail.com>Date:October 12, 2011 8:07:15 PM EDTTo:kira.annika@gmail.comSubject:from: Colin Moynihan; City hall statement > > STATEMENT OF DEPUTY MAYOR FOR OPERATIONS CAS HOLLOWAYEarlier this evening, Mayor Bloomberg went to Zuccotti Park to talkwith the protesters himself and inform them that on Friday morningBrookfield Properties will clean the park.Brookfield Properties owns Zuccotti Park, and built it as an amenityfor the
general public. As the protest has continued, Brookfield hasexpressed concern about its inability to clean the park and maintainit in a condition fit for public use. Brookfield conveyed theseconcerns in a letter they sent to the City.The Mayor is a strong believer in the First Amendment and believesthat the protesters have a right to continue to protest. At the sametime, the last three weeks have created unsanitary conditions andconsiderable wear and tear on the park. This situation is not in thebest interests of the protesters, residents or the City.The cleaning will be done in stages and the protesters will be ableto return to the areas that have been cleaned, provided they abide bythe rules that Brookfield has established for the park. > > --New: http://blog.art21.org/2011/05/19/5-questions-for-contemporary-practicewith-not-an-alternative/ > > > > Not An Alternativehttp://notanalternative.com > > > Fission Strategy > > http://fissionstrategy.com > > > Phone: 917-202-5479 > Skype: bekamop > Twitter:http://twitter.com/bekamop
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Alex Tronolone september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: Local NYC Assemblies linked to Wall Street Wednesday, October 12, 2011 1:53:53 PM
i've heard that people in staten island are thinking about where to occupy too On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 1:40 PM, Chris _ <cunderscoreg@gmail.com> wrote: Haven't been as active on this listserv as I was, but if you wanna set up a meeting or talk things out, you can generally find me by the food station. I'd love to talk about this some more. On Oct 12, 10:34 am, Doug Singsen <dougsing...@gmail.com> wrote: > This is great! When and where are these happening? We should start > publicizing them widely. > > On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 10:30 AM, Marina Sitrin <marina.sit...@gmail.com>wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > In the past few days I have been hearing from many friends that they > > are beginning to organize local assemblies and activities in their > > neighborhoods, from Queens to Brooklyn. There is also a CUNY assembly > > on Friday at 4pm > > > This is fantastic! > > > (My personal vision is that we continue on Wall Street, perhaps occupy > > another strategic location, and then all organize locally - in our > > workplaces, neighborhoods, schools, etc. and then link them all with > > assemblies of assemblies. Similar to the Argentina experience after > > 2001) > > > Does anyone else know of local New York City based assemblies or > > public space activities? Can we coordinate this? I think a website > > with information that is then directly linked to the NYCGA site would > > be great. > > > Maybe plan for an assembly of assemblies in a week or two? > > > Anyone else want to brainstorm this more? > > > In Solidarity, > > Marina > > > -Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com
> > Seamos realistas, hagamos lo imposible ~ che
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: Open letter from a former tea partier to #occupywallstreet Thursday, October 13, 2011 7:25:07 PM
+1million On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 7:23 PM, Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com> wrote: We have one BIG thing to learn from the tea party: People all across America are PISSED OFF. When the left and the right both agree that the government does not represent them, that's progress. People don't join the tea party because they actively like racism and fear, but because they believe the conservative establishment's (attractive, silver-tongued) goons who say "racism and fear will lead us out of this mess". The tea party is preying on people, and leading them away from any sort of real, meaningful solution.
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 6:48 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: yeah, no worries understood... On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 6:32 PM, Lauren <celliwig@gmail.com> wrote: Sorry, I was probably too dismissive, it's just that we keep getting these people all the time since pretty early - they make it sound like a provisional Tea Party vs real Tea Party style quarrel.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jon Good september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: Open letter from a former tea partier to #occupywallstreet Thursday, October 13, 2011 7:24:02 PM
We have one BIG thing to learn from the tea party: People all across America are PISSED OFF. When the left and the right both agree that the government does not represent them, that's progress. People don't join the tea party because they actively like racism and fear, but because they believe the conservative establishment's (attractive, silver-tongued) goons who say "racism and fear will lead us out of this mess". The tea party is preying on people, and leading them away from any sort of real, meaningful solution.
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 6:48 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: yeah, no worries understood... On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 6:32 PM, Lauren <celliwig@gmail.com> wrote: Sorry, I was probably too dismissive, it's just that we keep getting these people all the time since pretty early - they make it sound like a provisional Tea Party vs real Tea Party style quarrel.
yeah, no worries understood... On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 6:32 PM, Lauren <celliwig@gmail.com> wrote: Sorry, I was probably too dismissive, it's just that we keep getting these people all the time since pretty early - they make it sound like a provisional Tea Party vs real Tea Party style quarrel.
yes-- even if we get one valid point-- it was worth the post I feel-- yes-- please all consider the source and look for the actual advice about infiltrators and what not.... On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 6:25 PM, Lauren <celliwig@gmail.com> wrote: Cute, but it completely glosses over the fact that the Tea Party was a Paulista astroturfing campaign for the 2008 elections at its founding and that the second Tea Party (there was none between 2007 and 2009) already had people like Michelle Malkin involved. We have nothing to learn from the Tea Party except maybe the fact that, yes, talking like fascist loons will make people think you're fascist loons.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jeremy Bold september17@googlegroups.com; Justin Wedes R M; Kira Annika; justine@occupywallst.org; Patrick Bruner Re: [september17discuss] Re: Operation #wallstcleanup Thursday, October 13, 2011 11:35:47 AM
I think we need to consider marching somewhere other than Wall St actually. The police will all be in that same area, they will probably be expecting it and thus likely have beefed up presence there more than usual. And I don't really think people want a repeat of what happened after the Union march. So it seems like the idea should be to leave some cameras stationed at Liberty with the people who refuse to leave BUT ALSO to send a lot of people and cameras to another demonstration location, with scouts between both locales. For efficiency's sake, the location of this demonstration will have to be determined on Friday during an impromptu assembly among the people who do not wish to get arrested and we will head out from there. Despite the desire for solidarity among our group, we do not want to be posed merely as a passive backdrop for the police brutality that may ensue - instead, we really ought to think seriously about a tactical maneuver that takes advantage of a divided group and surprises the police AND the city. Hope that can be a friendly amendment at least to the idea that we have a march among non-arrestables, with location not necessarily Wall Street, but to be determined at the time of the police's evacuation. We've conducted GAs under pressure before - this one is a big one! On Oct 13, 2011, at 11:04 AM, Justin Wedes wrote: I think the idea is gaining traction. Going 2 present it again in a mic check at noon at camp. -j On Oct 13, 2011, at 7:11 AM, R M wrote: Fantastic Justin. Any sense of how press outreach is being handled around this? On Oct 12, 2011 10:49 PM, "Justin Wedes" <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: Here's my proposed idea to respond to Bloomberg/NYPD's proposed "cleanup" of the park:
Tonight, and all day tomorrow, all campers/supporters should reach out to friends/family/anyone to donate or purchase brooms, mops, squeegees, dust pans, garbage bags, and any other cleaning supplies to be collected at sanitation. The sanitation committee should move full-speed ahead on purchase of bins allocated by
consensus at GA. After General Assembly on Thursday, we'll have a full-camp cleanup session. Sanitation can coordinate, and anyone who is available will help with the massive community effort! Then, Thursday morning, we'll awake and position ourselves with our brooms and mops in a human chain around the park, linked at the arms. If NYPD attempts to enter, we'll peacefully/non-violently stand our ground and those who are willing will get arrested. Afterwards, we'll march with brooms and mops to Wall Street to do a massive #wallstcleanup march, where the real mess is! What do we think?? -justin
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of acpollack2@juno.com september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: Operation #wallstcleanup Thursday, October 13, 2011 11:09:06 AM
Great! If you get the mic, please also mention that defending the Park tomorrow also means defending the Muslim community's Jumma that same day! ---------- Original Message ---------From: Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> To: R M <rebeccaction@gmail.com> Cc: september17@googlegroups.com, Kira Annika <kira@occupywallst.org>, justine@occupywallst.org, Patrick Bruner <pmubruner@gmail.com> Subject: [september17discuss] Re: Operation #wallstcleanup Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 11:04:17 -0400 I think the idea is gaining traction. Going 2 present it again in a mic check at noon at camp. -j On Oct 13, 2011, at 7:11 AM, R M wrote: Fantastic Justin. Any sense of how press outreach is being handled around this? On Oct 12, 2011 10:49 PM, "Justin Wedes" <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: Here's my proposed idea to respond to Bloomberg/NYPD's proposed "cleanup" of the park:
Tonight, and all day tomorrow, all campers/supporters should reach out to friends/family/anyone to donate or purchase brooms, mops, squeegees, dust pans, garbage bags, and any other cleaning supplies to be collected at sanitation. The sanitation committee should move full-speed ahead on purchase of bins allocated by consensus at GA. After General Assembly on Thursday, we'll have a full-camp cleanup session. Sanitation can coordinate, and anyone who is available will help with the massive community effort! Then, Thursday morning, we'll awake and position ourselves with our brooms and mops in a human chain around the park, linked at the arms. If NYPD attempts to enter, we'll peacefully/non-violently stand our ground and those who are willing will get arrested. Afterwards, we'll march with brooms and mops to Wall Street to do a massive #wallstcleanup march, where the real mess is!
What do we think?? -justin
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Charles Lenchner september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: Operation #wallstcleanup Thursday, October 13, 2011 5:42:18 PM
I'm less afraid of provocateurs than I might have been. They work best with mixed crowds of newbies and hotheads. I feel good about the very high percentage of seasoned activists present who can show - not sure about the right word - emotional leadership. I do encourage folks not to mask themselves. Tomorrow looks like a 'set piece' with protesters against cops. Please do NOT compete with the cops in looking scary/militant. Push youngest/oldest to the frontlines, keep angry looking males 1840 away from a confrontation. This is a battle over images, not just over the park. As always, I'll be wearing my 'okay to get arrested in' suit. Charles On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 5:17 PM, Tarak Kauff <takauff@gmail.com> wrote: Has this been approved by the GA yet? I like it but it needs to be carefully thought through and people need to be 100% nonviolent. Of course there will be provocateurs. On Oct 13, 2011, at 5:10 PM, LaurenD wrote: Great idea and great message! Thanks Justin! Liberty Square is way cleaner than most of the streets in New York. It is really pathetic that he would use cleaning as an excuse when most of the streets of New York are filthy and disgustingly cluttered with garbage bags that seem to never be picked up. Make lots of creative signs that point out the irony in this! Lauren*
On Oct 12, 7:49 pm, Justin Wedes <jwe...@gmail.com> wrote: Here's my proposed idea to respond to Bloomberg/NYPD's proposed "cleanup" of the park: Operation #wallstcleanup Tonight, and all day tomorrow, all campers/supporters should reach out to friends/family/anyone to donate or purchase brooms, mops, squeegees, dust pans, garbage bags, and any other cleaning supplies to be collected at sanitation. The sanitation committee should move full-speed ahead on purchase of bins allocated by consensus at GA. After General Assembly on Thursday, we'll have a full-camp cleanup session. Sanitation can coordinate, and anyone who is available will help with the massive community effort!
Then, Thursday morning, we'll awake and position ourselves with our brooms and mops in a human chain around the park, linked at the arms. If NYPD attempts to enter, we'll peacefully/non-violently stand our ground and those who are willing will get arrested. Afterwards, we'll march with brooms and mops to Wall Street to do a massive #wallstcleanup march, where the real mess is! What do we think?? -justin
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jon Good september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: Operation #wallstcleanup Thursday, October 13, 2011 5:45:43 PM
Sparkles to Justin and to Charles.
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 5:44 PM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: I agree with that statement, with the slight modification
We welcome the cleaning crew and would happily work with them to do important park maintenance, if not accompanied by the police,"
My hope is for collaboration and mutual understanding that our sanitation team has already exerted a great effort to clean this place. -j On Oct 13, 2011, at 5:40 PM, jemcgloin@verizon.net wrote:
In addition to the plans already put forward, the more reasonable we sound to the world the better our case will be. A message approved by the GA that, "We welcome the cleaning crew and would cooperate with them to let them do their maintenance, if not accompanied by the police," and widely disseminated, would help the world see he difference between cleaning the park and clearing the park. I cannot be there tonight to put this forth at the GA, so if anyone lies the idea please put it to the assembly if you can. Also please have a backup plan in case the %$#@% hits the fan.
On 10/13/11, Tarak Kauff<takauff@gmail.com> wrote: Has this been approved by the GA yet? I like it but it needs to be carefully thought through and people need to be 100% nonviolent. Of course there will be provocateurs. On Oct 13, 2011, at 5:10 PM, LaurenD wrote: Great idea and great message! Thanks Justin! Liberty Square is way cleaner than most of the streets in New York. It is really pathetic that he would use cleaning as an excuse when most of the streets of New York are filthy and disgustingly cluttered with garbage bags that seem to never be picked up. Make lots of creative signs that point out the irony in this! Lauren*
On Oct 12, 7:49 pm, Justin Wedes <jwe...@gmail.com> wrote: > Here's my proposed idea to respond to Bloomberg/NYPD's proposed > "cleanup" of the park: > > Operation #wallstcleanup > Tonight, and all day tomorrow, all campers/supporters should reach > out to friends/family/anyone to donate or purchase brooms, mops, > squeegees, dust pans, garbage bags, and any other cleaning supplies > to be collected at sanitation. The sanitation committee should move > full-speed ahead on purchase of bins allocated by consensus at GA. > > After General Assembly on Thursday, we'll have a full-camp cleanup > session. Sanitation can coordinate, and anyone who is available will > help with the massive community effort! > > Then, Thursday morning, we'll awake and position ourselves with our > brooms and mops in a human chain around the park, linked at the > arms. If NYPD attempts to enter, we'll peacefully/non-violently > stand our ground and those who are willing will get arrested. > > Afterwards, we'll march with brooms and mops to Wall Street to do a > massive #wallstcleanup march, where the real mess is! > > What do we think?? > > -justin
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Justin Wedes september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: Operation #wallstcleanup Thursday, October 13, 2011 5:44:44 PM
I agree with that statement, with the slight modification

We welcome the cleaning crew and would happily work with them to do important park maintenance, if not accompanied by the police,"
My hope is for collaboration and mutual understanding that our sanitation team has already exerted a great effort to clean this place. -j On Oct 13, 2011, at 5:40 PM, jemcgloin@verizon.net wrote:
In addition to the plans already put forward, the more reasonable we sound to the world the better our case will be. A message approved by the GA that, "We welcome the cleaning crew and would cooperate with them to let them do their maintenance, if not accompanied by the police," and widely disseminated, would help the world see he difference between cleaning the park and clearing the park. I cannot be there tonight to put this forth at the GA, so if anyone lies the idea please put it to the assembly if you can. Also please have a backup plan in case the %$#@% hits the fan.
On 10/13/11, Tarak Kauff<takauff@gmail.com> wrote: Has this been approved by the GA yet? I like it but it needs to be carefully thought through and people need to be 100% nonviolent. Of course there will be provocateurs. On Oct 13, 2011, at 5:10 PM, LaurenD wrote: Great idea and great message! Thanks Justin! Liberty Square is way cleaner than most of the streets in New York. It is really pathetic that he would use cleaning as an excuse when most of the streets of New York are filthy and disgustingly cluttered with garbage bags that seem to never be picked up. Make lots of creative signs that point out the irony in this! Lauren*
On Oct 12, 7:49 pm, Justin Wedes <jwe...@gmail.com> wrote: > Here's my proposed idea to respond to Bloomberg/NYPD's proposed > "cleanup" of the park:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
Operation #wallstcleanup Tonight, and all day tomorrow, all campers/supporters should reach out to friends/family/anyone to donate or purchase brooms, mops, squeegees, dust pans, garbage bags, and any other cleaning supplies to be collected at sanitation. The sanitation committee should move full-speed ahead on purchase of bins allocated by consensus at GA. After General Assembly on Thursday, we'll have a full-camp cleanup session. Sanitation can coordinate, and anyone who is available will help with the massive community effort! Then, Thursday morning, we'll awake and position ourselves with our brooms and mops in a human chain around the park, linked at the arms. If NYPD attempts to enter, we'll peacefully/non-violently stand our ground and those who are willing will get arrested. Afterwards, we'll march with brooms and mops to Wall Street to do a massive #wallstcleanup march, where the real mess is! What do we think?? -justin
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Justin Wedes september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: Operation #wallstcleanup Thursday, October 13, 2011 5:46:06 PM
This has not been approved by the GA. It was announced by me this morning and I hope to again solicit support for it this evening. In general, I don't believe marches need consensus approval, but I'm happy to work towards it with all of the interested parties! -justin On Oct 13, 2011, at 5:42 PM, Charles Lenchner wrote: I'm less afraid of provocateurs than I might have been. They work best with mixed crowds of newbies and hotheads. I feel good about the very high percentage of seasoned activists present who can show - not sure about the right word - emotional leadership. I do encourage folks not to mask themselves. Tomorrow looks like a 'set piece' with protesters against cops. Please do NOT compete with the cops in looking scary/militant. Push youngest/oldest to the frontlines, keep angry looking males 18-40 away from a confrontation. This is a battle over images, not just over the park. As always, I'll be wearing my 'okay to get arrested in' suit. Charles On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 5:17 PM, Tarak Kauff <takauff@gmail.com> wrote: Has this been approved by the GA yet? I like it but it needs to be carefully thought through and people need to be 100% nonviolent. Of course there will be provocateurs. On Oct 13, 2011, at 5:10 PM, LaurenD wrote: Great idea and great message! Thanks Justin! Liberty Square is way cleaner than most of the streets in New York. It is really pathetic that he would use cleaning as an excuse when most of the streets of New York are filthy and disgustingly cluttered with garbage bags that seem to never be picked up. Make lots of creative signs that point out the irony in this! Lauren*
On Oct 12, 7:49 pm, Justin Wedes <jwe...@gmail.com> wrote:

Here's my proposed idea to respond to Bloomberg/NYPD's proposed "cleanup" of the park: Operation #wallstcleanup Tonight, and all day tomorrow, all campers/supporters should reach out to friends/family/anyone to donate or purchase brooms, mops, squeegees, dust pans, garbage bags, and any other cleaning supplies to be collected at sanitation. The sanitation committee should move full-speed ahead on purchase of bins allocated by consensus at GA. After General Assembly on Thursday, we'll have a full-camp cleanup session. Sanitation can coordinate, and anyone who is available will help with the massive community effort! Then, Thursday morning, we'll awake and position ourselves with our brooms and mops in a human chain around the park, linked at the arms. If NYPD attempts to enter, we'll peacefully/non-violently stand our ground and those who are willing will get arrested. Afterwards, we'll march with brooms and mops to Wall Street to do a massive #wallstcleanup march, where the real mess is! What do we think?? -justin
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of gail zawacki september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: Operation #wallstcleanup Thursday, October 13, 2011 12:23:56 PM
It has been suggested to contact the Mayor and demand they back off the "cleansing", contact info here:
Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg City Hall New York, NY 10007 PHONE 311 (or 212-NEW-YORK outside NYC) FAX (212) 312-0700 E-MAIL: http://www.nyc.gov/html/mail/html/mayor.html
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 11:37 AM, Jeremy Bold <jezbold@gmail.com> wrote: I think we need to consider marching somewhere other than Wall St actually. The police will all be in that same area, they will probably be expecting it and thus likely have beefed up presence there more than usual. And I don't really think people want a repeat of what happened after the Union march. So it seems like the idea should be to leave some cameras stationed at Liberty with the people who refuse to leave BUT ALSO to send a lot of people and cameras to another demonstration location, with scouts between both locales. For efficiency's sake, the location of this demonstration will have to be determined on Friday during an impromptu assembly among the people who do not wish to get arrested and we will head out from there. Despite the desire for solidarity among our group, we do not want to be posed merely as a passive backdrop for the police brutality that may ensue - instead, we really ought to think seriously about a tactical maneuver that takes advantage of a divided group and surprises the police AND the city. Hope that can be a friendly amendment at least to the idea that we have a march among non-arrestables, with location not necessarily Wall Street, but to be determined at the time of the police's evacuation. We've conducted GAs under pressure before - this one is a big one! On Oct 13, 2011, at 11:04 AM, Justin Wedes wrote: I think the idea is gaining traction. Going 2 present it again in a mic check at noon at camp. -j On Oct 13, 2011, at 7:11 AM, R M wrote: Fantastic Justin. Any sense of how press outreach is being handled around this? On Oct 12, 2011 10:49 PM, "Justin Wedes"
<jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: Here's my proposed idea to respond to Bloomberg/NYPD's proposed "cleanup" of the park:
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of shaista husain september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: the next phase Wednesday, October 12, 2011 2:05:35 AM
If we move occupiers to homes, then i hope they are foreclosed empty homes that we re-claim --as we defend against evictions. On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 2:03 AM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote: > We need safety, comfort, kitchen and hospital as well as clean > up/hygiene/recycle teams to link up with finance-- and organize and > allocated resources towards an effective long term self sustainable > strategy through the winter. By doing this we makes liars out of all > the naysayers== this is better than any propaganda because it is REAL. > > PEACE > > On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 1:52 AM, Amin Husain <amin.husain@gmail.com> wrote: >> There is a lot of thinking around oct 15 in this regard and that sounds >> amazing to me as another, additional location, to cap off the global day of >> rage. >> It will also show people that this is a movement that is not cooptable >> because it is not "safe". >> >> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 1:48 AM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> Other Occupations that have happened across the globe do not have >>> weather like NYC. We have to set an example and may have to break some >>> rules in order to maintain our ground. We might have to have tents or >>> using solar lamps build heaters. I know this is very ambitious but we >>> need to be just as ingenuous as, for example, how we feed so many >>> folks daily and how phenomenal is our water filtration plant in the >>> kitchen--truly amazing. Negates all the negative press images that >>> attempt to label us...We can also start to collect names of NYC >>> comrades who volunteer to get occupiers to take days off, bathe, >>> shower, etc....We are re-organizing our hospital next week and begin >>> preventative nutrition for campers--but we have enough herbs to last a >>> week perhaps, if the tonics are successful, i have contacted green >>> community groups for help and mobilization. If anyone has ANY >>> suggestions for sustainability--- please email as soon as possible, or >>> can help us, contact Dave Zalk, Bugz or myself towards this effort. I >>> hope the sustainability meeting will happen soon, please let me know >>> when it is. >>> Thanks, >>> Shaista >>> >>> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 1:35 AM, Lycophidion <lycophidion@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> > Good ideas. All of this presupposes a qualitative leap in coordination >>> > between WGs and organization and integration of Liberty Park OWSers. >>> > No, living outside in freezing weather is definitely not the same as a >>> > ski trip. One possibility is to establish a scheduled rotation of >>> > "campers," to avoid burn-out and folks becoming sick (not just if they >>> > get sick). Maybe 3 day to 1-week shifts, when it gets really cold. >>> > Perhaps this should be mandatory (although positively motivated), >>> > since some will want to prove their revolutionary mettle by hanging
>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >
> tough, even when they're coming down with the flu. In turn, they would > get other people sick. > > > On Oct 11, 5:18 pm, jemcgl...@verizon.net wrote: >> The cold weather has to all be very high-tech. Living outside is not >> the same as going skiing. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 10/11/11,beka economopoulos<beka@notanalternative.net>wrote:There >> are lots of folks working on weather contingencies. Heck yeah, we're >> staying through Spring. >> >> Some ideas: >> >> * there are allies who want to fundraise to get 500 sub-zero sleeping >> bags donated, as well as cold-weather gears (hats, gloves, coats, etc.) >> >> * working on lining up indoor spaces nearby where folks can rotate out >> if they're getting sick or need a night to warm up. >> >> * consider a coordinated effort in solidarity with one another to push >> for structures and on-site warming options. get supporters, unions, and >> community orgs to back us up when we go for it >> >> * use mobile blast list, get shovels donated, and get folks down there >> to help get rid of snow >> >> >> >
We need safety, comfort, kitchen and hospital as well as clean up/hygiene/recycle teams to link up with finance-- and organize and allocated resources towards an effective long term self sustainable strategy through the winter. By doing this we makes liars out of all the naysayers== this is better than any propaganda because it is REAL. PEACE On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 1:52 AM, Amin Husain <amin.husain@gmail.com> wrote: > There is a lot of thinking around oct 15 in this regard and that sounds > amazing to me as another, additional location, to cap off the global day of > rage. > It will also show people that this is a movement that is not cooptable > because it is not "safe". > > On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 1:48 AM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> Other Occupations that have happened across the globe do not have >> weather like NYC. We have to set an example and may have to break some >> rules in order to maintain our ground. We might have to have tents or >> using solar lamps build heaters. I know this is very ambitious but we >> need to be just as ingenuous as, for example, how we feed so many >> folks daily and how phenomenal is our water filtration plant in the >> kitchen--truly amazing. Negates all the negative press images that >> attempt to label us...We can also start to collect names of NYC >> comrades who volunteer to get occupiers to take days off, bathe, >> shower, etc....We are re-organizing our hospital next week and begin >> preventative nutrition for campers--but we have enough herbs to last a >> week perhaps, if the tonics are successful, i have contacted green >> community groups for help and mobilization. If anyone has ANY >> suggestions for sustainability--- please email as soon as possible, or >> can help us, contact Dave Zalk, Bugz or myself towards this effort. I >> hope the sustainability meeting will happen soon, please let me know >> when it is. >> Thanks, >> Shaista >> >> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 1:35 AM, Lycophidion <lycophidion@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > Good ideas. All of this presupposes a qualitative leap in coordination >> > between WGs and organization and integration of Liberty Park OWSers. >> > No, living outside in freezing weather is definitely not the same as a >> > ski trip. One possibility is to establish a scheduled rotation of >> > "campers," to avoid burn-out and folks becoming sick (not just if they >> > get sick). Maybe 3 day to 1-week shifts, when it gets really cold. >> > Perhaps this should be mandatory (although positively motivated), >> > since some will want to prove their revolutionary mettle by hanging >> > tough, even when they're coming down with the flu. In turn, they would >> > get other people sick. >> > >> > >> > On Oct 11, 5:18 pm, jemcgl...@verizon.net wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
The cold weather has to all be very high-tech. Living outside is not the same as going skiing.
On 10/11/11,beka economopoulos<beka@notanalternative.net>wrote:There are lots of folks working on weather contingencies. Heck yeah, we're staying through Spring. Some ideas: * there are allies who want to fundraise to get 500 sub-zero sleeping bags donated, as well as cold-weather gears (hats, gloves, coats, etc.) * working on lining up indoor spaces nearby where folks can rotate out if they're getting sick or need a night to warm up. * consider a coordinated effort in solidarity with one another to push for structures and on-site warming options. get supporters, unions, and community orgs to back us up when we go for it * use mobile blast list, get shovels donated, and get folks down there to help get rid of snow
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Amin Husain september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: the next phase Wednesday, October 12, 2011 1:52:28 AM
There is a lot of thinking around oct 15 in this regard and that sounds amazing to me as another, additional location, to cap off the global day of rage. It will also show people that this is a movement that is not cooptable because it is not "safe". On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 1:48 AM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote: Other Occupations that have happened across the globe do not have weather like NYC. We have to set an example and may have to break some rules in order to maintain our ground. We might have to have tents or using solar lamps build heaters. I know this is very ambitious but we need to be just as ingenuous as, for example, how we feed so many folks daily and how phenomenal is our water filtration plant in the kitchen--truly amazing. Negates all the negative press images that attempt to label us...We can also start to collect names of NYC comrades who volunteer to get occupiers to take days off, bathe, shower, etc....We are re-organizing our hospital next week and begin preventative nutrition for campers--but we have enough herbs to last a week perhaps, if the tonics are successful, i have contacted green community groups for help and mobilization. If anyone has ANY suggestions for sustainability--- please email as soon as possible, or can help us, contact Dave Zalk, Bugz or myself towards this effort. I hope the sustainability meeting will happen soon, please let me know when it is. Thanks, Shaista On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 1:35 AM, Lycophidion <lycophidion@gmail.com> wrote: > Good ideas. All of this presupposes a qualitative leap in coordination > between WGs and organization and integration of Liberty Park OWSers. > No, living outside in freezing weather is definitely not the same as a > ski trip. One possibility is to establish a scheduled rotation of > "campers," to avoid burn-out and folks becoming sick (not just if they > get sick). Maybe 3 day to 1-week shifts, when it gets really cold. > Perhaps this should be mandatory (although positively motivated), > since some will want to prove their revolutionary mettle by hanging > tough, even when they're coming down with the flu. In turn, they would > get other people sick. > > > On Oct 11, 5:18 pm, jemcgl...@verizon.net wrote: >> The cold weather has to all be very high-tech. Living outside is not the same as going skiing. >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> On 10/11/11,beka economopoulos<beka@notanalternative.net>wrote:There are lots of folks working on weather contingencies. Heck yeah, we're staying through Spring. >> >> Some ideas: >> >> * there are allies who want to fundraise to get 500 sub-zero sleeping bags donated, as well as cold-weather gears (hats, gloves, coats, etc.) >> >> * working on lining up indoor spaces nearby where folks can rotate out if they're getting sick or need a night to warm up. >> >> * consider a coordinated effort in solidarity with one another to push for structures and on-site warming options. get supporters, unions, and community orgs to back us up when we go for it >> >> * use mobile blast list, get shovels donated, and get folks down there to help get rid of snow >> >> >> >
Other Occupations that have happened across the globe do not have weather like NYC. We have to set an example and may have to break some rules in order to maintain our ground. We might have to have tents or using solar lamps build heaters. I know this is very ambitious but we need to be just as ingenuous as, for example, how we feed so many folks daily and how phenomenal is our water filtration plant in the kitchen--truly amazing. Negates all the negative press images that attempt to label us...We can also start to collect names of NYC comrades who volunteer to get occupiers to take days off, bathe, shower, etc....We are re-organizing our hospital next week and begin preventative nutrition for campers--but we have enough herbs to last a week perhaps, if the tonics are successful, i have contacted green community groups for help and mobilization. If anyone has ANY suggestions for sustainability--- please email as soon as possible, or can help us, contact Dave Zalk, Bugz or myself towards this effort. I hope the sustainability meeting will happen soon, please let me know when it is. Thanks, Shaista On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 1:35 AM, Lycophidion <lycophidion@gmail.com> wrote: > Good ideas. All of this presupposes a qualitative leap in coordination > between WGs and organization and integration of Liberty Park OWSers. > No, living outside in freezing weather is definitely not the same as a > ski trip. One possibility is to establish a scheduled rotation of > "campers," to avoid burn-out and folks becoming sick (not just if they > get sick). Maybe 3 day to 1-week shifts, when it gets really cold. > Perhaps this should be mandatory (although positively motivated), > since some will want to prove their revolutionary mettle by hanging > tough, even when they're coming down with the flu. In turn, they would > get other people sick. > > > On Oct 11, 5:18 pm, jemcgl...@verizon.net wrote: >> The cold weather has to all be very high-tech. Living outside is not the same as going skiing. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 10/11/11,beka economopoulos<beka@notanalternative.net>wrote:There are lots of folks working on weather contingencies. Heck yeah, we're staying through Spring. >> >> Some ideas: >> >> * there are allies who want to fundraise to get 500 sub-zero sleeping bags donated, as well as coldweather gears (hats, gloves, coats, etc.) >> >> * working on lining up indoor spaces nearby where folks can rotate out if they're getting sick or need a night to warm up. >>
>> * consider a coordinated effort in solidarity with one another to push for structures and on-site warming options. get supporters, unions, and community orgs to back us up when we go for it >> >> * use mobile blast list, get shovels donated, and get folks down there to help get rid of snow >> >> >> >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: the next phase Wednesday, October 12, 2011 11:34:45 AM
suggested tweet if peeps want to send it around: I #occupywallstreet coz Hoodrats Infest Marcy Projects http://yourblackworld.com/2011/08/26/hoodrats-infest-marcy-projects/ #occupytogether http://occupytogether.org On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 2:10 AM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote: Just to alert you guys on the epidemic in the NYC--the total lack of urban planning/environmental safety for poor people.... http://yourblackworld.com/2011/08/26/hoodrats-infest-marcy-projects/ On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 2:05 AM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote: > If we move occupiers to homes, then i hope they are foreclosed empty > homes that we re-claim --as we defend against evictions. > > > On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 2:03 AM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote: >> We need safety, comfort, kitchen and hospital as well as clean >> up/hygiene/recycle teams to link up with finance-- and organize and >> allocated resources towards an effective long term self sustainable >> strategy through the winter. By doing this we makes liars out of all >> the naysayers== this is better than any propaganda because it is REAL. >> >> PEACE >> >> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 1:52 AM, Amin Husain <amin.husain@gmail.com> wrote: >>> There is a lot of thinking around oct 15 in this regard and that sounds >>> amazing to me as another, additional location, to cap off the global day of >>> rage. >>> It will also show people that this is a movement that is not cooptable >>> because it is not "safe". >>> >>> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 1:48 AM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Other Occupations that have happened across the globe do not have >>>> weather like NYC. We have to set an example and may have to break some >>>> rules in order to maintain our ground. We might have to have tents or >>>> using solar lamps build heaters. I know this is very ambitious but we >>>> need to be just as ingenuous as, for example, how we feed so many >>>> folks daily and how phenomenal is our water filtration plant in the >>>> kitchen--truly amazing. Negates all the negative press images that >>>> attempt to label us...We can also start to collect names of NYC
>>>> comrades who volunteer to get occupiers to take days off, bathe, >>>> shower, etc....We are re-organizing our hospital next week and begin >>>> preventative nutrition for campers--but we have enough herbs to last a >>>> week perhaps, if the tonics are successful, i have contacted green >>>> community groups for help and mobilization. If anyone has ANY >>>> suggestions for sustainability--- please email as soon as possible, or >>>> can help us, contact Dave Zalk, Bugz or myself towards this effort. I >>>> hope the sustainability meeting will happen soon, please let me know >>>> when it is. >>>> Thanks, >>>> Shaista >>>> >>>> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 1:35 AM, Lycophidion <lycophidion@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> > Good ideas. All of this presupposes a qualitative leap in coordination >>>> > between WGs and organization and integration of Liberty Park OWSers. >>>> > No, living outside in freezing weather is definitely not the same as a >>>> > ski trip. One possibility is to establish a scheduled rotation of >>>> > "campers," to avoid burn-out and folks becoming sick (not just if they >>>> > get sick). Maybe 3 day to 1-week shifts, when it gets really cold. >>>> > Perhaps this should be mandatory (although positively motivated), >>>> > since some will want to prove their revolutionary mettle by hanging >>>> > tough, even when they're coming down with the flu. In turn, they would >>>> > get other people sick. >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > On Oct 11, 5:18 pm, jemcgl...@verizon.net wrote: >>>> >> The cold weather has to all be very high-tech. Living outside is not >>>> >> the same as going skiing. >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> On 10/11/11,beka economopoulos<beka@notanalternative.net>wrote:There >>>> >> are lots of folks working on weather contingencies. Heck yeah, we're >>>> >> staying through Spring. >>>> >> >>>> >> Some ideas: >>>> >> >>>> >> * there are allies who want to fundraise to get 500 sub-zero sleeping >>>> >> bags donated, as well as cold-weather gears (hats, gloves, coats, etc.) >>>> >> >>>> >> * working on lining up indoor spaces nearby where folks can rotate out >>>> >> if they're getting sick or need a night to warm up. >>>> >> >>>> >> * consider a coordinated effort in solidarity with one another to push >>>> >> for structures and on-site warming options. get supporters, unions, and >>>> >> community orgs to back us up when we go for it >>>> >>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >
>> * use mobile blast list, get shovels donated, and get folks down there >> to help get rid of snow >> >> >> >
Just to alert you guys on the epidemic in the NYC--the total lack of urban planning/environmental safety for poor people.... http://yourblackworld.com/2011/08/26/hoodrats-infest-marcy-projects/ On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 2:05 AM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote: > If we move occupiers to homes, then i hope they are foreclosed empty > homes that we re-claim --as we defend against evictions. > > > On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 2:03 AM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote: >> We need safety, comfort, kitchen and hospital as well as clean >> up/hygiene/recycle teams to link up with finance-- and organize and >> allocated resources towards an effective long term self sustainable >> strategy through the winter. By doing this we makes liars out of all >> the naysayers== this is better than any propaganda because it is REAL. >> >> PEACE >> >> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 1:52 AM, Amin Husain <amin.husain@gmail.com> wrote: >>> There is a lot of thinking around oct 15 in this regard and that sounds >>> amazing to me as another, additional location, to cap off the global day of >>> rage. >>> It will also show people that this is a movement that is not cooptable >>> because it is not "safe". >>> >>> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 1:48 AM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Other Occupations that have happened across the globe do not have >>>> weather like NYC. We have to set an example and may have to break some >>>> rules in order to maintain our ground. We might have to have tents or >>>> using solar lamps build heaters. I know this is very ambitious but we >>>> need to be just as ingenuous as, for example, how we feed so many >>>> folks daily and how phenomenal is our water filtration plant in the >>>> kitchen--truly amazing. Negates all the negative press images that >>>> attempt to label us...We can also start to collect names of NYC >>>> comrades who volunteer to get occupiers to take days off, bathe, >>>> shower, etc....We are re-organizing our hospital next week and begin >>>> preventative nutrition for campers--but we have enough herbs to last a >>>> week perhaps, if the tonics are successful, i have contacted green >>>> community groups for help and mobilization. If anyone has ANY >>>> suggestions for sustainability--- please email as soon as possible, or >>>> can help us, contact Dave Zalk, Bugz or myself towards this effort. I >>>> hope the sustainability meeting will happen soon, please let me know >>>> when it is. >>>> Thanks, >>>> Shaista >>>> >>>> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 1:35 AM, Lycophidion <lycophidion@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> > Good ideas. All of this presupposes a qualitative leap in coordination >>>> > between WGs and organization and integration of Liberty Park OWSers. >>>> > No, living outside in freezing weather is definitely not the same as a
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >
> ski trip. One possibility is to establish a scheduled rotation of > "campers," to avoid burn-out and folks becoming sick (not just if they > get sick). Maybe 3 day to 1-week shifts, when it gets really cold. > Perhaps this should be mandatory (although positively motivated), > since some will want to prove their revolutionary mettle by hanging > tough, even when they're coming down with the flu. In turn, they would > get other people sick. > > > On Oct 11, 5:18 pm, jemcgl...@verizon.net wrote: >> The cold weather has to all be very high-tech. Living outside is not >> the same as going skiing. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 10/11/11,beka economopoulos<beka@notanalternative.net>wrote:There >> are lots of folks working on weather contingencies. Heck yeah, we're >> staying through Spring. >> >> Some ideas: >> >> * there are allies who want to fundraise to get 500 sub-zero sleeping >> bags donated, as well as cold-weather gears (hats, gloves, coats, etc.) >> >> * working on lining up indoor spaces nearby where folks can rotate out >> if they're getting sick or need a night to warm up. >> >> * consider a coordinated effort in solidarity with one another to push >> for structures and on-site warming options. get supporters, unions, and >> community orgs to back us up when we go for it >> >> * use mobile blast list, get shovels donated, and get folks down there >> to help get rid of snow >> >> >> >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of NicolasMoselleAllen september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: URGENT PROPOSAL FROM MOVEMENT FOR JUSTICE IN EL BARRIO Thursday, October 13, 2011 8:25:26 PM
+1 Martin. On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 8:15 PM, Martin <comrademartin@gmail.com> wrote: > We should definitely support the EZLN. The NYC GA should send a > clear internationalist message: Solidarity with the EZLN! Choosing > not to support the EZLN because of a "de-facto policy not to endorse > any political group" is more likely the symptom of an informal > hierarchy than actual functioning participatory democracy. Choosing > not to endorse EZLN would alienate our indigenous comrades which > concerns me far more than what Bill O'Reilly thinks about us (hint: > he's not gonna like us anyway). > Solidarity, > Martin
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Robert Christ september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: URGENT PROPOSAL FROM MOVEMENT FOR JUSTICE IN EL BARRIO Thursday, October 13, 2011 9:00:18 PM
This is what GA is for : D On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 5:25 PM, NicolasMoselleAllen <allenicolas@gmail.com> wrote: +1 Martin. On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 8:15 PM, Martin <comrademartin@gmail.com> wrote: > We should definitely support the EZLN. The NYC GA should send a > clear internationalist message: Solidarity with the EZLN! Choosing > not to support the EZLN because of a "de-facto policy not to endorse > any political group" is more likely the symptom of an informal > hierarchy than actual functioning participatory democracy. Choosing > not to endorse EZLN would alienate our indigenous comrades which > concerns me far more than what Bill O'Reilly thinks about us (hint: > he's not gonna like us anyway). > Solidarity, > Martin
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of shaista husain september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: Zionist speaker at OWS outreach training Thursday, October 13, 2011 2:39:27 AM
This is the place to raise the issue of decolonization and race, the point of this demonstration against "business as usual" is all about breaking the narrow parameters of imposed liberal discourse. We are here to expand the confines of this narrow nationalistic and economistic discourse. We need to converse about this--here and on the square, and on the streets and wherever and whenever we decide. Extremely arrogant that folks can be dismissive, so pompous and condescending, ultimately so ignorant to attempt to censor others in a protest movement against corporate america. I have met white men at the info booth who don't even look at me--telling other white folks they are members of the republican party. Furthermore, there is evidence that neo-fascists are already in the square. We have ron pauls, the la rouche and the tea party all hanging around. When the issue of race is raised, it is the "crazy angry" people of color who are reprimanded by our wise know it alls that it should not be a part of the discussion. Why? What are you afraid of? That you will be confronted and proved how ignorant you are? Genocide and wholescale evictions of Palestinians from their land, the issue of private property, the US veto of Palestinian bid, the support of Palestinians in Tahrir, the global movement for democracy --the need for us to decolonize ourselves. These are the core issues here and on the streets and in this protest. only those who refuse to confront their own ignorance and complicity will attempt to censor, marginalize and dismiss it. Yes lets have several teach ins--looks like a lot of work ahead.
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 11:29 PM, Layan Fuleihan <lsfuleihan@gmail.com> wrote: > It is true that on a global scale the financial system connects > everything, but I don't think that serves as excuse enough to push > specific issues aside. I think that there is room for all sorts of > discussions on all sorts of issues at OWS and they definitely do not > compete, nor do they cancel each other out. > > But the discussion on this specific topic of the J14 protests and > their impact, both negative and positive, on different groups, > shouldn't take place here on this thread but rather at the square, so > if anyone is interested in helping me organize something at the park, > send me an email! > > Thanks, > Layan > > On Oct 12, 9:14 pm, Winter Siroco <wintersir...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Shaista, as I was saying, endorsing or not endorsing the declaration is less >> relevant than the living document of our daily lives. >> Cesar >> >> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 10:35 AM, shaista husain <shaistahus...@gmail.com>wrote: >> >> >>
>> > Thank you Cesar ---This is the way forward to the light.....endorse the >> > Declaration of First Nation People!!! There is no other way forward. I >> > believe this is the reason we are here. I believe there will be consensus. >> > Peace and love, >> > Shaista >> >> > On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 10:15 AM, Winter Siroco <wintersir...@gmail.com>wrote: >> >> >> While some at Liberty Plaza are trying to "Recover the American Dream" >> >> (delusion would be more appropriate) some of us are trying to "End the >> >> American Nightmare". >> >> >> Many voices have yet to be fully heard at Zuccotti Park before we can >> >> reclaim its original name. >> >> Let's have a dialogue with multiple voices, not a consensual monologue. >> >> >> I am so glad we had the Day In solidarity with Indigenous People instead >> >> of the infamous Columbus Day, and that we had great moments and that our >> >> internal problems are brought to the Sunlight. We should start working our >> >> minds for a new meaning of Thanksgiving Day, and for everyday. >> >> >> If you are interested in hearing truly oppressed voices, please, read the >> >> threads that follow. >> >> >> I do think that my posting very much belongs here, and that other problems >> >> of blacks and undocumented workers (many of them indigenous people displaced >> >> by other horror histories of oppression) belong here too. >> >> Cesar >> >> ---------- Forwarded message --------->> >> From: Kent Lebsock <oweakuinternatio...@me.com> >> >> Date: Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 9:13 AM >> >> >> I understand that racism is not necessarily unique in a situation like >> >> this. And I'm happy to discuss it with anyone. However, we would hope that >> >> you would also understand that as Native peoples we go through this every >> >> single time we talk to a group of any kind because the issues are buried, >> >> hidden, misunderstood, fantasized, mythical, and denied. Americans deny >> >> genocide. Americans think their history with Indians consists of >> >> Thanksgiving... and fear. Like that one facilitator said to me, 'you're not >> >> special.' But she is wrong and until she and others like it realize that, >> >> whatever you do is doomed to failure. Are there other groups in this >> >> country who, in order to be removed from their land and their resources >> >> stolen, were massacred or starved to death? Are there other groups whose >> >> children were literally stolen and taken hundreds of miles from home to be >> >> reconditioned to NOT live in the cultures of their birth? Are there other >> >> groups in this country who's teenage suicide rate is the highest in the >> >> Americas? Are there other groups with unemployment rates of between 65 and >> >> 95 percent. Are there other groups whose average life expectancy is 55? >> >> Are there other groups in this country who have been fighting colonists, >> >> capitalist, christians, kings, empires, democracies and oligarchies for 519 >> >> years to simply preserve their right to exist? No, none. So she, and those >> >> who think like her, are wrong. I firmly believe that until America and >> >> Americans recognize, accept and atone for their own history, this hemisphere >> >> will always have a dark cloud hanging over it for all the immigrants coming >> >> here. That system is bound to fail because you cannot ever connect to a >> >> land that you murder and cheat and lie in order to occupy. Whether that >> >> occupation is colonial Virginia or Zucotti Park, you will fail without >> >> listening to Indigneous peoples and turning to our connection to the Earth. >> >> Our prophecies say so. History shows it. Contemporary events support it. >>
>> >> Feel free to share anything I say. The first step in any encounter is >> >> transparency. >> >> >> Wopila. Hecetu >> >> >> Kentiamk...@me.com >> >> >> On Oct 12, 2011, at 08:55 AM, Cesar Arenas-Mena <arenasm...@gmail.com> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> Dear Kent, Glenn, Tiokasin, Roberto and Janene, >> >> >> I propose to bring your concerns to the general OWS email discussion >> >> group. If you agree, I could post your letter today. >> >> >> The easiest thing to do would be to forget about it and walk our way, but >> >> if we are serious about transforming the world we should start by >> >> transforming minds. I am not myself very prone to the task, ignorance and >> >> conscious or unconscious bigotry will only be defeated after confrontation. >> >> >> Your incident was not the first, and it will not be the last. Similar >> >> concerns have been raised about Palestinian rights and a Zionist who joined >> >> a working group. I do not think there will be any transformation of our >> >> society if we do not define and defend what we stand for. >> >> >> I not only ask you to share your concerns with the group, but to join the >> >> ongoing discussion (I could request your inclusion in the OWS email group). >> >> There will be no consensus but monologue if only privileged voices are >> >> heard. >> >> >> We have many beautiful documents already, about human rights, freedoms and >> >> treaties of mutual respect, just ink and paper if the words do not reach our >> >> souls. >> >> >> Give it some thought, a lot of people should hear what you have to say, >> >> and it is not so often that people gets ready to hear and speak truth. Join >> >> those of us who are serious about truly changing the way we treat each >> >> other. >> >> >> Cesar >> >> >> We are waking up from the American Nightmare. >> >> >> On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 12:37 PM, Tiokasin Ghosthorse <tioka...@gmail.com<tiokasin@gmailcom> >> >> > wrote: >> >> >>> September 17, 1787 >> >>> I got into a bit of a tiff with one washicu woman who was clearly >> >>> completely uneducated (she used the old refrain, "I didn't have anything to >> >>> do with colonization and it wasn't her responsibility."). >> >> >>> Kent, >> >>> This is an example or an excuse to not take individual responsibility in >> >>> all aspects of education themselves on the real issues rather than their >> >>> privileges. I often have a response to this American Exceptionalism. I >> >>> usually ask them if they follow the democracy and the U.S. Constitution >> >>> signed over 200 years ago and most often they say, "yes." >> >>> If I feel inclined, I remind them of what the document's signers did to >> >>> the Original Peoples of this land called Turtle Island. Then I use their own
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>>> words so to speak and say "well I wasn't there on September 17, 1777 and I >>> didn't sign the constitution nor did my people so why should I have to >>> follow your laws? >>> The 500 year old generational denial is even buried deeper, even with the >>> "Occupy" movement. >>> On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 11:55 AM, Kent L <oweakuinternatio...@me.com> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ... read more Well, I'm gearing up to write a report (I'm starting to feel my age after shouting and standing all evening) but basically the "facilitators" of the "general assembly" said that they weren't "set-up" to consider any kind of declaration so they couldn't "endorse" it. It would, they said, be treating Indians as "special." I got into a bit of a tiff with one washicu woman who was clearly completely uneducated (she used the old refrain, "I didn't have anything to do with colonization and it wasn't her responsibility."). Though they didn't want to treat Indigenous peoples as special, it was in a private meeting of the "facilitators" that this decision occurred (after having told us they would consider it in the General Assembly. Apparently they have learned well from their system of privilege and hierarchy and failed to see the irony. We did present it to the "general assembly" (maybe a thousand people) and asked them to endorse it as groups if they wanted and even offered to come back and do a teach-in in a more intimate setting for those interested, but I doubt it will go anywhere. Nonetheless, the people who had worked with us from "Occupy Wall Street", a young woman named Bahareh and a gentlemen named Cesar, were very supportive and did their best to make sure we were able to make our presentations. I spoke generally about colonialism, capitalism, and a culture designed to create physical and economic reservations based on the devastation of the Earth, trying to follow Rosalie's suggestion about connecting the dots for a non-Indian audience. Roberto Borrero from the United Taino Confederacy spoke more directly to the issue of Columbus and genocide and Tiokasin Ghost Horse talked some about the Indigneous history of Manhattan with input from Steve Newcomb (Leni Lenape). We rounded it off with Janene Yazzie, a young Navajo Deneh activist who is now going to school here in New York. She spoke about the responsibilities within Indigenous cultures to the community, the Earth and the future generations. The overall message was, hopefully, until the rights of Indigenous peoples are addressed there will be no healing for the planet or anybody else. I alluded to that when I told the "facilitator" that I though it would be shameful for them, if New York, the source of the now world-wide "occupy" movement could not find away to endorse the Declaration of Indigenous peoples. Its demonstrative of elitism for sure and the concerns of our peoples and other communities of color. Moving forward, I'm not sure what to do. That will require some reflection, input and prayer. In many ways, it was the same story. As I said in an earlier email to our folks, it's like 1977 at the United Nations. No one gets it and it will be a very long road to educate them on it. In this setting, I'm not sure its worth our very limited resources, both human and financial. On the other hand, this should be a progressive crowd with whom a valuable alliance could be
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Lucas Vazquez september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Seeking volunteer to do an OWS teach-in at Princeton tomorrow (Thursday) at 7:30pm (transport paid, you will be fed) Wednesday, October 12, 2011 3:55:32 PM
If you need another person I can most likely do it as well. Let me know the logistics if so. Thanks, Lucas On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 1:46 PM, Kelley Wolcott <misskellz@gmail.com> wrote: I can most likely do it. Who is the teach-in for? Is it being hosted by a student group? Is there a particular focus for the teach-in? Thanks, Kelley On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 1:03 PM, Will Russell <william.russell.v@gmail.com> wrote: Hey people, We're looking for someone from OWS who can travel to Princeton tomorrow to do a teach-in at 7:30pm. Your transport costs will be paid and you will be fed. Please contact me if you are able to do this and I'll provide further info. Thank you. Will Russell Sent from my iPhone
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Kelley Wolcott september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Seeking volunteer to do an OWS teach-in at Princeton tomorrow (Thursday) at 7:30pm (transport paid, you will be fed) Wednesday, October 12, 2011 1:46:22 PM
I can most likely do it. Who is the teach-in for? Is it being hosted by a student group? Is there a particular focus for the teach-in? Thanks, Kelley On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 1:03 PM, Will Russell <william.russell.v@gmail.com> wrote: Hey people, We're looking for someone from OWS who can travel to Princeton tomorrow to do a teach-in at 7:30pm. Your transport costs will be paid and you will be fed. Please contact me if you are able to do this and I'll provide further info. Thank you. Will Russell Sent from my iPhone
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of shaista husain september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Supporting the local farmers market Wednesday, October 12, 2011 12:00:51 PM
Park Slope Food Co-op or Hunger Network NYC- should help us and get on board....We should also pass a consensus against genetically modified or pesticidal foods--against Monsanto Bill recently signed by Obama. Furthermore, we need to establish self-sustainable networks of permanence--so that other occupations, in bronx, or brooklyn, or queens, poor people can obtain affordable healthy food. We need to build a strong network of local organic farming practice--alternative affordable economies. If park slope co-op will give us a hand, great!!! but i suspect and may be wrong, that they are a for-profit business despite all the hype. There are local CSAs and networks of grassroot activists who could help us become independent-- so we can co-operate with local farmers directly for long term self sufficiency. If we succeed, we become less a movement or an occupation, but a real solution to problems of poverty and illness plaguing our cities.
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 11:25 AM, M.S. Kushneir <mskushneir@gmail.com> wrote: > why not get park slope food coop onboard??? > > 2011/10/12 Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFSJW1SwaJs&sns=em >> >> >> Justin Wedes >> Educator & Activist >> Brooklyn, NY >> >> ~ >> will you #occupy? >> ~ > >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Supporting the local farmers market Wednesday, October 12, 2011 5:08:21 PM
This is very cool. Maybe on Tuesday's we could make a big effort to give them as much space around them as possible, and also put up some nice signs at corners of the park directing people to the farmer's market.
On 10/12/11, Justin Wedes<jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFSJW1SwaJs&sns=em
Justin Wedes Educator & Activist Brooklyn, NY ~ will you #occupy? ~
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of M.S. Kushneir september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Supporting the local farmers market Wednesday, October 12, 2011 11:25:34 AM
why not get park slope food coop onboard??? 2011/10/12 Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFSJW1SwaJs&sns=em Justin Wedes Educator & Activist Brooklyn, NY ~ will you #occupy? ~
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] the next phase OccupyBronx Wednesday, October 12, 2011 11:15:37 AM
um- I think Justine is just offering to set up a site, not monopolize anything-- right justine? On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 9:18 AM, Winter Siroco <wintersiroco@gmail.com> wrote: Justine, think it twice before monopolizing occupyBronx.com. David, think it twice before occupying a marginalized area with gentrification conflicts. Excuse me if I cannot be more politically incorrect, but I am trying. Cesar On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 1:34 PM, Justine <justine@occupywallst.org> wrote: Anyone want to buy the domain so I can set you guys up with a website? On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 11:55 AM, David DeGraw <David@ampedstatus.com> wrote: think we need to go into a deeply impoverished area in the Bronx. The bronx has the highest poverty rate in NYC, about 30%. we go there, the media comes with us. forces coverage, major spark OccupyBronx On 10/11/2011 8:02 AM, Carwil Bjork-James wrote: A couple thoughts on next steps: 1. A twin space, soon. Zuccotti Park is just plain crowded, and doesn't have a ton of room for new campers. A second, stable-ish, perhaps POPS, location in Lower Manhattan could provide additional room for people to be near Wall Street. This would facilitate mass actions in the financial district while growing the movement. 2. Mass actions in the financial district. Use your own imagination. 3. Holding a space that is more a place of gathering than a launchpad for confrontation. Weekly (for now) use of Washington Square could build to that. So could some kind of plaza occupation across Brooklyn, Harlem, Washington Heights, and the rest of the outer boroughs. It's yet to be seen how intense the police response will be in such places. In all cases, an easy flow between regular events, continuous presence, and full-on occupation and transformation can be played with. 3a. At some point, one location will be the first public park (as opposed to POPS) to be held. We should focus as much OWS energy as possible on maintaining it and setting the kind of "new normal" Beka is talking about. My guess is the first possibility will take the form of #3, not the form of #1, but I'd love to be surprised at Battery Park or Foley Square.
4. The constant circulation of people through Zuccotti is accumulating projects (greywater, printing, a spiritual gathering place). I'd love to see this also happening in a permanently held place: a warehouse, public space of a park, a student center, a union hall, etc. As winter comes, the need for physically warm spaces shouldn't mean a retreat to less space transformation, but to the hive-for-occupation conversion of friendly or occupied buildings. 4a. For those of us with access to buildings, but not control over them (I'm thinking universities for the moment), we can start by turning these places into hives of activity for occupiers and only later initiate formal occupations. I'm thinking about numerous ongoing "conferences" that actually have "workshops" that do work for the movement: printing, designing, building, training, and by-the-by keeping people warm. As always, a critical mass at such a place could hope to hold the building. But the priority (from my perspective) is not to make demands with a closed occupation, but to do collective work with an open one. 5. Assuming a critical mass and a regional convergence on NYC, occupying symbolically powerful public spaces. Do people know that 1,000+ artists occupied the Met during the 1970 "student" strike against the invasion of Cambodia? Federal Hall, the site of the first US Congress is on Wall Street. Wall Street itself. Downtown. Midtown. Just some thoughts, Carwil On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 7:38 PM, beka economopoulos <beka@notanalternative.net> wrote: Today Bloomberg announced that we could stay in Zuccotti Park indefinitely: http://blogs.wsj.com/metropolis/2011/10/10/bloombergoccupy-wall-street-can-stay-indefinitely/ And so we went from being an occupation to becoming a picnic. Just yesterday Zizek warned The only thing Im afraid of is that we will someday just go home and then we will meet once a year drinking beer and nostalgically remembering what a nice time we had here. Promise ourselves that this will not be the case. Of course, it's nice to have some breathing room, but we're in this for the long haul. There are no "solutions" that can be presented quickly to make us go away. And so there will be moments where our presence is no longer an uncomfortable and unknown variable, but rather is normalized and integrated. It's in those moments that we have to push the envelop, pry open the space of possibility even farther. We go as far as we can to destabalize but maintain support and momentum. And when that's the new "normal" then we do it again, we push further.
That's how change happens, how we shift the terrain and the terms of the game. I hope that we can get information out as soon as possible about ways to plug into the international day of action, this Saturday October 15. And that we continue to expand and take new space and spread and lead the way. xob -New: http://blog.art21.org/2011/05/19/5-questions-for-contemporarypractice-with-not-an-alternative/ Not An Alternative http://notanalternative.com
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Winter Siroco september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] the next phase OccupyBronx Wednesday, October 12, 2011 9:19:04 AM
Justine, think it twice before monopolizing occupyBronx.com. David, think it twice before occupying a marginalized area with gentrification conflicts. Excuse me if I cannot be more politically incorrect, but I am trying. Cesar On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 1:34 PM, Justine <justine@occupywallst.org> wrote: Anyone want to buy the domain so I can set you guys up with a website? On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 11:55 AM, David DeGraw <David@ampedstatus.com> wrote: think we need to go into a deeply impoverished area in the Bronx. The bronx has the highest poverty rate in NYC, about 30%. we go there, the media comes with us. forces coverage, major spark OccupyBronx On 10/11/2011 8:02 AM, Carwil Bjork-James wrote: A couple thoughts on next steps: 1. A twin space, soon. Zuccotti Park is just plain crowded, and doesn't have a ton of room for new campers. A second, stable-ish, perhaps POPS, location in Lower Manhattan could provide additional room for people to be near Wall Street. This would facilitate mass actions in the financial district while growing the movement. 2. Mass actions in the financial district. Use your own imagination. 3. Holding a space that is more a place of gathering than a launchpad for confrontation. Weekly (for now) use of Washington Square could build to that. So could some kind of plaza occupation across Brooklyn, Harlem, Washington Heights, and the rest of the outer boroughs. It's yet to be seen how intense the police response will be in such places. In all cases, an easy flow between regular events, continuous presence, and full-on occupation and transformation can be played with. 3a. At some point, one location will be the first public park (as opposed to POPS) to be held. We should focus as much OWS energy as possible on maintaining it and setting the kind of "new normal" Beka is talking about. My guess is the first possibility will take the form of #3, not the form of #1, but I'd love to be surprised at Battery Park or Foley Square. 4. The constant circulation of people through Zuccotti is accumulating projects (greywater, printing, a spiritual gathering place). I'd love to see this also happening in a permanently held place: a warehouse, public space of a park, a student center, a union hall, etc. As winter comes, the need for physically warm spaces shouldn't mean a retreat to
less space transformation, but to the hive-for-occupation conversion of friendly or occupied buildings. 4a. For those of us with access to buildings, but not control over them (I'm thinking universities for the moment), we can start by turning these places into hives of activity for occupiers and only later initiate formal occupations. I'm thinking about numerous ongoing "conferences" that actually have "workshops" that do work for the movement: printing, designing, building, training, and by-the-by keeping people warm. As always, a critical mass at such a place could hope to hold the building. But the priority (from my perspective) is not to make demands with a closed occupation, but to do collective work with an open one. 5. Assuming a critical mass and a regional convergence on NYC, occupying symbolically powerful public spaces. Do people know that 1,000+ artists occupied the Met during the 1970 "student" strike against the invasion of Cambodia? Federal Hall, the site of the first US Congress is on Wall Street. Wall Street itself. Downtown. Midtown. Just some thoughts, Carwil On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 7:38 PM, beka economopoulos <beka@notanalternative.net> wrote: Today Bloomberg announced that we could stay in Zuccotti Park indefinitely: http://blogs.wsj.com/metropolis/2011/10/10/bloomberg-occupywall-street-can-stay-indefinitely/ And so we went from being an occupation to becoming a picnic. Just yesterday Zizek warned The only thing Im afraid of is that we will someday just go home and then we will meet once a year drinking beer and nostalgically remembering what a nice time we had here. Promise ourselves that this will not be the case. Of course, it's nice to have some breathing room, but we're in this for the long haul. There are no "solutions" that can be presented quickly to make us go away. And so there will be moments where our presence is no longer an uncomfortable and unknown variable, but rather is normalized and integrated. It's in those moments that we have to push the envelop, pry open the space of possibility even farther. We go as far as we can to destabalize but maintain support and momentum. And when that's the new "normal" then we do it again, we push further. That's how change happens, how we shift the terrain and the terms of the game. I hope that we can get information out as soon as possible about ways to plug into the international day of action, this Saturday October 15. And that we continue to expand and take new space and spread and lead the way. xob
-New: http://blog.art21.org/2011/05/19/5-questions-for-contemporarypractice-with-not-an-alternative/ Not An Alternative http://notanalternative.com
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Harrison Schultz september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] The social contract is broken - and this movement is beyond anyone"s control now Wednesday, October 12, 2011 2:36:14 PM
+1 Ale! Anyone who tries to control the forces we've unleased will most certainly be burned by their own desires! H.
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 2:31 PM, Alexandre Machado De Sant'Anna Carvalho <ac3018@nyu.edu> wrote: Hey all; I first write to everyone to say that we have crossed the threshold, the point-ofno-return for this social movement to spread everywhere. Like a wildfire, a pandemic of democratic participation, we have done it. It is now a chain reaction, self-sustaining and with a life of its own. Congratulations! This is what we all have been dreaming of. It is a honor to be standing by your side. As the Spanish revolutionaries once wrote, "Better to die standing than to live on your knees". This is why we march. And since now it is greater than any single individual or group, for the sake of keeping your head sane and your heart still engaged, be aware: we are not in control. You are not in control. We at the NYC occupation are not in control. The website hosts are not in control. No one is in control of this hurricane. This realization is liberating. Think about this thoroughly. We were able to capture successfully the zeitgest: this general feeling that representative democracy failed miserably , and that people do not feel represented by power. In other words, the social contract is broken: time for a revolution. As Jeff Madrick said, "Time to go where Injustice is". Our job is to come up with an alternative to the current politik, as we are doing already - and of course, to make sure this movement keeps pushing, offering hope to the plurality of voices that daily converge to the square, seeking empathy for their quotidian pain. Humanization, emancipation, solidarity -Alexandre M.S. Carvalho, M.D., MPH 2009 Reynolds Fellow mobile +1 914 563 4209 home +1 914 633 0415 www.nyu.edu/reynolds
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Liliana Gomez september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] URGENT PROPOSAL FROM MOVEMENT FOR JUSTICE IN EL BARRIO Thursday, October 13, 2011 4:37:33 PM
Well it needs to be discused even if our support is verbal and not financial we need to keep in mind that they are armed revolutionaries and we are not, supporting them publicly if they are on a government list as "terrosists" can distort our claims of being a non-violent movement, and we may also be labeled as terrorists under the Patriot act. I'm not a lawyer but we all know there is no such thing as Real freedom of thought or speech in this country and we could quickly suffer the repercussions of such a statement. Lil On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 9:41 AM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: We should write the statement of support. This is really important. On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 12:32 AM, <movementforjusticeinelbarrio@riseup.net> wrote: Urgent Message from Movement for Justice in El Barrio, The Other Campaign New York To Members of the OWS General Assembly: Receive greetings and embraces of solidarity from the humble and simple migrant community of El Barrio, NYC: We are Movement for Justice in El Barrio an organization of immigrants that fights for dignity and against neoliberal displacement. We fight for the liberation of every marginalized group, such as immigrants, people of color, women, lesbians, gays, transgender people, and all the poor of the world. We are part of the Zapatista-initated The Other Campaign. Last Sunday, beneath the red sculpture that marks the entrance to "Liberty Plaza", we shared our Declaration in Support of Occupied Wall St. As dusk came upon us, our words found resonance in the hearts of people who, like us, seek a world of dignity. In addition to our Declaration, we shared with you a communiqu written 15 years ago by the Zapatista National Liberation Army (EZLN) of Mexico which is for many of us our homeland. In this communiqu, the Zapatistas pay homage to all the women who fight for justice in the world. For nearly three decades, the Zapatistas have waged a tireless and profound struggle to build, as they say, un mundo dnde quepan todos los mundos: A world in which all worlds fit. Day after day, they continue building this world from below and to the left outside of and against political parties and the capitalist system. Their struggle is a kind of poetry that has touched the hearts of dignified people from around the world. Their vision and analysis of the world is perhaps best articulated in the document, to which we adhere as an organization, called: La Sexta
Declaracin de La Selva Lacandona (English version available here: https://webspace.utexas.edu/hcleaver/www/SixthDeclaration.html). We believe strongly that the Zapatista struggle, with its form, principles, and aims, has shaped profoundly the resistance that is taking place on Wall Street today. As you know, in the world in which we live, such a struggle is neither welcomed nor celebrated, but instead: condemned, attacked, beaten, imprisoned, repressed, silenced, raped, tortured, executed, distorted, ignored. At present, the EZLN support communities of San Marcos Avils and San Patricio in Chiapas, Mexico, are currently facing severe forms of violence, harassment, and displacement from their ancestral lands. The indigenous peoples who reside in these two communities have become the targets of such violence because they, brazenly, have exercised their autonomy and right to self-determination as indigenous peoples, and have, to that end, developed just systems of self-governance and alternative community institutions, such as schools, cooperative farms and health clinics, that reflect and support indigenous worldviews and culture. They are under attack, in sum, for living a life of dignity and for demanding that everyone be able to do so. For this reason, and given the gravity of the situation, we write to you to solicit your support for our humble proposal: We propose that at this upcoming Wednesday's General Assembly meeting, the OWS General Assembly consider, and ultimately endorse, a statement or resolution of support for the Zapatista communities of San Miguel Avils and San Patricio. Representatives from our organization will be present to discuss the details of the situation and proposal. In light of the demanding workloads of our members, we ask that you please respond to us as soon as possible, no later than this Friday, if you accept our proposal at movementforjusticeinelbarrio@riseup.net. With love and solidarity, From El Barrio, NYC, Movement for Justice in El Barrio, The Other Campaign New York
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Robert Christ september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] URGENT PROPOSAL FROM MOVEMENT FOR JUSTICE IN EL BARRIO Thursday, October 13, 2011 4:51:29 PM
I love the EZLN, but it has been the defacto statement of the group for a while now to not endorse any other political movement. ITs WAY to politically risky at the moment. Occupy DC and others have already released documents of no affiliation and no-endorsement. Within our own group, there are multiple groups working on similar proposals. While I fully, personally, support the Zappatistas and know friends that have helped them in Chiapas, choosing to make them our first formal endorsement, or any endorsement, at this time, before we've made any demands, would be a mass media disaster. Can't you just see what Bill O'Reilly would start saying on TV? Kiss our movement goodbye. Sorry guys. No Endorsements. No Candidates. Not Yet.
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 4:37 PM, Liliana Gomez <liligomez13@gmail.com> wrote: Well it needs to be discused even if our support is verbal and not financial we need to keep in mind that they are armed revolutionaries and we are not, supporting them publicly if they are on a government list as "terrosists" can distort our claims of being a non-violent movement, and we may also be labeled as terrorists under the Patriot act. I'm not a lawyer but we all know there is no such thing as Real freedom of thought or speech in this country and we could quickly suffer the repercussions of such a statement. Lil On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 9:41 AM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: We should write the statement of support. This is really important. On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 12:32 AM, <movementforjusticeinelbarrio@riseup.net> wrote: Urgent Message from Movement for Justice in El Barrio, The Other Campaign New York To Members of the OWS General Assembly: Receive greetings and embraces of solidarity from the humble and simple migrant community of El Barrio, NYC: We are Movement for Justice in El Barrio an organization of immigrants
that fights for dignity and against neoliberal displacement. We fight for the liberation of every marginalized group, such as immigrants, people of color, women, lesbians, gays, transgender people, and all the poor of the world. We are part of the Zapatista-initated The Other Campaign. Last Sunday, beneath the red sculpture that marks the entrance to "Liberty Plaza", we shared our Declaration in Support of Occupied Wall St. As dusk came upon us, our words found resonance in the hearts of people who, like us, seek a world of dignity. In addition to our Declaration, we shared with you a communiqu written 15 years ago by the Zapatista National Liberation Army (EZLN) of Mexico which is for many of us our homeland. In this communiqu, the Zapatistas pay homage to all the women who fight for justice in the world. For nearly three decades, the Zapatistas have waged a tireless and profound struggle to build, as they say, un mundo dnde quepan todos los mundos: A world in which all worlds fit. Day after day, they continue building this world from below and to the left outside of and against political parties and the capitalist system. Their struggle is a kind of poetry that has touched the hearts of dignified people from around the world. Their vision and analysis of the world is perhaps best articulated in the document, to which we adhere as an organization, called: La Sexta Declaracin de La Selva Lacandona (English version available here: https://webspace.utexas.edu/hcleaver/www/SixthDeclaration.html). We believe strongly that the Zapatista struggle, with its form, principles, and aims, has shaped profoundly the resistance that is taking place on Wall Street today. As you know, in the world in which we live, such a struggle is neither welcomed nor celebrated, but instead: condemned, attacked, beaten, imprisoned, repressed, silenced, raped, tortured, executed, distorted, ignored. At present, the EZLN support communities of San Marcos Avils and San Patricio in Chiapas, Mexico, are currently facing severe forms of violence, harassment, and displacement from their ancestral lands. The indigenous peoples who reside in these two communities have become the targets of such violence because they, brazenly, have exercised their autonomy and right to self-determination as indigenous peoples, and have, to that end, developed just systems of self-governance and alternative community institutions, such as schools, cooperative farms and health clinics, that reflect and support indigenous worldviews and culture. They are under attack, in sum, for living a life of dignity and for demanding that everyone be able to do so. For this reason, and given the gravity of the situation, we write to you to solicit your support for our humble proposal: We propose that at this upcoming Wednesday's General Assembly meeting, the OWS General Assembly consider, and ultimately endorse, a statement or resolution of support for the Zapatista communities of San Miguel Avils and San Patricio. Representatives from our organization will be present to discuss the details of the situation and proposal.
In light of the demanding workloads of our members, we ask that you please respond to us as soon as possible, no later than this Friday, if you accept our proposal at movementforjusticeinelbarrio@riseup.net. With love and solidarity, From El Barrio, NYC, Movement for Justice in El Barrio, The Other Campaign New York
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Winter Siroco september17@googlegroups.com Drew Hornbein; Justine; erin remick Re: [september17discuss] URGENT PROPOSAL FROM MOVEMENT FOR JUSTICE IN EL BARRIO Thursday, October 13, 2011 9:35:11 PM
Dough, go ahead and present it to the GA. There could be also a document of support of local Indigenous organizations that visited us this Monday.Perhaps there is a way to provide general support with their cause, without discussing their long documents at the GA. Also, let's not forget to publicize the endorsement of Voces de La Frontera, AND the open letter from the Indigenous Law Institute Both included. Which should be publicized at http://nycga.cc/ and suggested for publication at independent organizations such as http://occupywallst.org/ or any other online presence with affinity to OWS. We will prevail past tomorrow. Cesar 0/12/2011 CONTACT: JOE SHANSKY (414) 218-3331
Voces de la Frontera In Solidarity with "Occupy Wall Street"

On behalf of thousands of members across Wisconsin, Voces de la Frontera stands in solidarity with the "Occupy Wall Street" demonstrations on both the national and local levels. Today we are experiencing devastating economic inequality, at a level which is no longer sustainable for the vast majority of the country. For far too long, we've been the victims of an economic system which marginalizes the poor and working classes, including immigrant workers who have to come to the US as a result of free trade agreements which only favor multi-national corporations. The legacy of racism in the US means that racial and ethnic groups in the US that have been historically marginalized have been especially hard hit in the wake of the Great Recession. The recent financial crisis caused by Wall Street generated
an additional 8 million to the official unemployment rolls, and has had even greater impact on African American and Latino unemployment rates. The housing market bubble of 2006 and the recession that followed from 2007-2009 has reduced wealth of Latino households by 66% and 53% among African-American households respectively, compared to white households whose wealth also declined by 16%. Banks such as Wells-Fargo have made record profits off of immigrant detentions and imprisonment by investing heavily in the private prison industry. The private prison industry drafted the Arizona SB1070 racial profiling law and has lobbied for similar laws in other states. This devious collaboration of politicians, banks, and private prison companies has separated families, trampled on the civil rights of individuals, weakened local economies that benefited from immigrant communities, and created a climate of fear and demonization of Latinos and immigrants in communities where AZ copycat bills were passed. Voces de la Frontera joins the demand for an end to this unconscionable concentration of wealth by the top 1% and the scapegoating of immigrants as a way to misdirect the legitimate anger of working people from those who are truly responsible for the current crisis we face. It is only democratic grassroots movements from below that have led to transformational change in our nation's history. On October 15th in Zeidler Park and beyond, Voces will stand with Occupy Milwaukee and others who are also suffering in this economy, to spread the message that Wall Street, banks, and multi-national corporations must be held responsible for record poverty and unemployment. We demand no cuts or layoffs to the public sector, a massive job creation program on the scale of the New Deal, humane immigration reform, and saving families from foreclosures.
On Oct 13, 2011, at 9:41 AM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: We should write the statement of support. This is really important. On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 12:32 AM, <movementforjusticeinelbarrio@riseup.net> wrote: Urgent Message from Movement for Justice in El Barrio, The Other Campaign New York To Members of the OWS General Assembly: Receive greetings and embraces of solidarity from the humble and simple migrant community of El Barrio, NYC: We are Movement for Justice in El Barrio an organization of immigrants that fights for dignity and against neoliberal displacement. We fight for the liberation of every marginalized group, such as immigrants, people of color, women, lesbians, gays, transgender people, and all the poor of the world. We are part of the Zapatista-initated The Other Campaign. Last Sunday, beneath the red sculpture that marks the entrance to "Liberty Plaza", we shared our Declaration in Support of Occupied Wall St. As dusk came upon us, our words found resonance in the hearts of people who, like us, seek a world of dignity. In addition to our Declaration, we shared with you a communiqu written 15 years ago by the Zapatista National Liberation Army (EZLN) of Mexico which is for many of us our homeland. In this communiqu, the Zapatistas pay homage to all the women who fight for justice in the world. For nearly three decades, the Zapatistas have waged a tireless and profound struggle to build, as they say, un mundo dnde quepan todos los mundos: A world in which all worlds fit. Day after day, they continue building this world from below and to the left outside of and against political parties and the capitalist system. Their struggle is a kind of poetry that has touched the hearts of dignified people from around the world. Their vision and analysis of the world is perhaps best articulated in the document, to which we adhere as an organization, called: La
Sexta Declaracin de La Selva Lacandona (English version available here: https://webspace.utexas.edu/hcleaver/www/SixthDeclaration.html). We believe strongly that the Zapatista struggle, with its form, principles, and aims, has shaped profoundly the resistance that is taking place on Wall Street today. As you know, in the world in which we live, such a struggle is neither welcomed nor celebrated, but instead: condemned, attacked, beaten, imprisoned, repressed, silenced, raped, tortured, executed, distorted, ignored. At present, the EZLN support communities of San Marcos Avils and San Patricio in Chiapas, Mexico, are currently facing severe forms of violence, harassment, and displacement from their ancestral lands. The indigenous peoples who reside in these two communities have become the targets of such violence because they, brazenly, have exercised their autonomy and right to self-determination as indigenous peoples, and have, to that end, developed just systems of self-governance and alternative community institutions, such as schools, cooperative farms and health clinics, that reflect and support indigenous worldviews and culture. They are under attack, in sum, for living a life of dignity and for demanding that everyone be able to do so. For this reason, and given the gravity of the situation, we write to you to solicit your support for our humble proposal: We propose that at this upcoming Wednesday's General Assembly meeting, the OWS General Assembly consider, and ultimately endorse, a statement or resolution of support for the Zapatista communities of San Miguel Avils and San Patricio. Representatives from our organization will be present to discuss the details of the situation and proposal. In light of the demanding workloads of our members, we ask that you please respond to us as soon as possible, no later than this Friday, if you accept our proposal at movementforjusticeinelbarrio@riseup.net. With love and solidarity, From El Barrio, NYC, Movement for Justice in El Barrio, The Other Campaign New York
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Winter Siroco september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] URGENT PROPOSAL FROM MOVEMENT FOR JUSTICE IN EL BARRIO Thursday, October 13, 2011 9:38:45 PM
Actually one was missing:
Greetings on Colonization Day, I begin by prayerfully remembering our free and independent ancestors, the Lenape and all the Original Nations and Peoples of this vast Turtle Island (Mother Earth), and of the entire Western Hemisphere from the Arctic Circle to Tierra del Fuego at the tip of South America. As you occupy Wall Street, I ask you to reflect: You are on the island upon which our Indigenous ancestors lived and thrived for thousands and thousands of years. Please take a moment to recognize that we, the Original Nations, still exist here on Turtle Island. We have the right to exist as free and distinct nations with full self-determination. What is the true source of our many grievances? It is the mentality and behavior of greed. The word America is the combination of two Latin words ame (a command form of love!) and rica (riches and wealth). The effects of an insatiable desire for and the pursuit of riches and wealth first afflicted our Indigenous nations and peoples, and now afflict all peoples. Clearly, we need to address and rectify the political economy of greed, and the destruction it has caused and continues to cause. Greed is an unsustainable value, but it is also an illness that is rooted in addiction. It is maintained in keeping with the slogan, The more you eat (consume), the more you want. The addict will stop at nothing to get a fix; he will sacrifice anyone and anything to feed his addiction. For this reason, an economy of greed has and will continue to sacrifice the health and well-being of women, children, men, and all living things on Mother Earth. As a great Anishinaabe leader has profoundly stated, Their way of living is our way of dying. It is rapidly becoming the way of dying for everyone.
Today, after centuries of invasion and predatory consumption (devouring) of our traditional lands, territories, and resources on Turtle Island and elsewhere, the waters of the rivers and streams that were once pure enough for our ancestors to drink from are now filthy and poisoned. Water is Life. The chemical contamination of Water, and, therefore, of Life itself, is emblematic of a way of life predicated upon patterns of greed that are destined to collapse. The suffering of human beings and the destructiveness to life on Mother Earth has been a direct consequence of colonization, domination, dehumanization, militarization and war. Unfortunately, these conceptions and behaviors have become the metaphorical bricks and mortar of the current unsustainable world order. They are expressed in a number of documents issued in the fifteenth century by the Holy See at Vatican Hill in Rome; these documents called for the domination of all non-Christian peoples throughout the world, and for the theft of all our lands and territories. To this day, the ideas found in those papal documents are woven into US Indian law and policy. Those Church documents unleashed claims to a right of conquest and domination in the name of a right of Christian discovery. The monarchies of Christendom used those documents to claim the territories of our nations in the Western hemisphere, simply because our territories were not yet in the possession of any Christian prince or dominator (dominorum christianorum). This paradigm of domination has been used to give governments and corporations virtually unlimited access to our traditional lands and territories. If approved, the Keystone XL pipeline will be but the latest example. Despite the destructive effects of more than five centuries of subjugation, as the Originally Free Nations and Peoples of Turtle Island, we still remember what it is to be truly free as exemplified by our ancestors. Our ancestors evolved life-ways and values that challenged European feudalism, medievalism, and lordship. Today, forces seem to be working toward neo-feudalism and neomedievalism, with a long range plan for irreversible global
domination in the name of national security, under the unblinking eye of the surveillance state. We have entered the Brave New World written about by a prescient mind a generation ago. Not only have we survived, but we now have the capability of expressing ourselves in the language of the Colonizers, and we are maintaining the message that our great leaders tried to convey to your ancestors: Stop the patterns of destruction and greed before it is too late. The Chernobyl-scale release of radiation at Fukushima, Japan is a clarion call. We must invert the key symbol of domination. Once inverted, the patriarchal symbol of the dome of domination becomes a bowl; when filled with water, the bowl is the symbol of the Sacred Feminine, as exemplified by the White Buffalo Calf Woman. She was the one who brought the Sacred Pipe to the Oglala Lakota Nation. The Living Laws and Values of Turtle Island that the White Buffalo Calf Woman brought include: Honor and Respect; Compassion and Pity; Sharing and Caring (to carry the well-being of the People in ones heart); Patience and Fortitude; Bravery and Courage; Humility; Seeking Wisdom and Seeking Understanding. In keeping with the White Buffalo Calf Womans teachings, Love and the Beautification of Life are healing values that need to replace the love of riches and wealth. Next May, 2012, a year of great transformation, we will be in New York at the United Nations as part of our work toward decolonization at the UN Permanent Forum on Indigenous Issues. The theme of the Permanent Forum will be the destructive legacy and deadly impact of the Doctrines of Discovery and Domination on Indigenous Nations and Peoples and on Mother Earth. We ask for your support by renouncing the Doctrine of Christian Discovery. Steven Newcomb, Shawnee/Lenape, is co-founder and codirector of the Indigenous Law Institute, author of Pagans in the Promised Land: Decoding the Doctrine of Christian Discovery,
and a columnist for the Indian Country Today Media Network. ************ NAHUACALLI Embassy of Indigenous Peoples www.nahuacalli.org
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 9:35 PM, Winter Siroco <wintersiroco@gmail.com> wrote: Dough, go ahead and present it to the GA. There could be also a document of support of local Indigenous organizations that visited us this Monday.Perhaps there is a way to provide general support with their cause, without discussing their long documents at the GA. Also, let's not forget to publicize the endorsement of Voces de La Frontera, AND the open letter from the Indigenous Law Institute Both included. Which should be publicized at http://nycga.cc/ and suggested for publication at independent organizations such as http://occupywallst.org/ or any other online presence with affinity to OWS. We will prevail past tomorrow. Cesar 0/12/2011 CONTACT: JOE SHANSKY (414) 218-3331
Voces de la Frontera In Solidarity with "Occupy Wall Street"

On behalf of thousands of members across Wisconsin, Voces de la Frontera stands in solidarity with the "Occupy Wall Street" demonstrations on both the national and local levels. Today we are experiencing devastating economic inequality, at a level which is no longer sustainable for the vast majority of the country. For far too long, we've been the victims of an economic system which marginalizes the poor and working classes, including immigrant workers who have to come to the US as a result of free trade agreements which only favor multi-national corporations. The legacy of racism in the US means that racial and ethnic groups in the US that have been historically marginalized have been especially hard hit in the wake of
the Great Recession. The recent financial crisis caused by Wall Street generated an additional 8 million to the official unemployment rolls, and has had even greater impact on African American and Latino unemployment rates. The housing market bubble of 2006 and the recession that followed from 2007-2009 has reduced wealth of Latino households by 66% and 53% among African-American households respectively, compared to white households whose wealth also declined by 16%. Banks such as Wells-Fargo have made record profits off of immigrant detentions and imprisonment by investing heavily in the private prison industry. The private prison industry drafted the Arizona SB1070 racial profiling law and has lobbied for similar laws in other states. This devious collaboration of politicians, banks, and private prison companies has separated families, trampled on the civil rights of individuals, weakened local economies that benefited from immigrant communities, and created a climate of fear and demonization of Latinos and immigrants in communities where AZ copycat bills were passed. Voces de la Frontera joins the demand for an end to this unconscionable concentration of wealth by the top 1% and the scapegoating of immigrants as a way to misdirect the legitimate anger of working people from those who are truly responsible for the current crisis we face. It is only democratic grassroots movements from below that have led to transformational change in our nation's history. On October 15th in Zeidler Park and beyond, Voces will stand with Occupy Milwaukee and others who are also suffering in this economy, to spread the message that Wall Street, banks, and multi-national corporations must be held responsible for record poverty and unemployment. We demand no cuts or layoffs to the public sector, a
massive job creation program on the scale of the New Deal, humane immigration reform, and saving families from foreclosures.
On Oct 13, 2011, at 9:41 AM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: We should write the statement of support. This is really important. On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 12:32 AM, <movementforjusticeinelbarrio@riseup.net> wrote: Urgent Message from Movement for Justice in El Barrio, The Other Campaign New York To Members of the OWS General Assembly: Receive greetings and embraces of solidarity from the humble and simple migrant community of El Barrio, NYC: We are Movement for Justice in El Barrio an organization of immigrants that fights for dignity and against neoliberal displacement. We fight for the liberation of every marginalized group, such as immigrants, people of color, women, lesbians, gays, transgender people, and all the poor of the world. We are part of the Zapatista-initated The Other Campaign. Last Sunday, beneath the red sculpture that marks the entrance to "Liberty Plaza", we shared our Declaration in Support of Occupied Wall St. As dusk came upon us, our words found resonance in the hearts of people who, like us, seek a world of dignity. In addition to our Declaration, we shared with you a communiqu written 15 years ago by the Zapatista National Liberation Army (EZLN) of Mexico which is for many of us our homeland. In this communiqu, the Zapatistas pay homage to all the women who fight for justice in the world. For nearly three decades, the Zapatistas have waged a tireless and
profound struggle to build, as they say, un mundo dnde quepan todos los mundos: A world in which all worlds fit. Day after day, they continue building this world from below and to the left outside of and against political parties and the capitalist system. Their struggle is a kind of poetry that has touched the hearts of dignified people from around the world. Their vision and analysis of the world is perhaps best articulated in the document, to which we adhere as an organization, called: La Sexta Declaracin de La Selva Lacandona (English version available here: https://webspace.utexas.edu/hcleaver/www/SixthDeclaration.html). We believe strongly that the Zapatista struggle, with its form, principles, and aims, has shaped profoundly the resistance that is taking place on Wall Street today. As you know, in the world in which we live, such a struggle is neither welcomed nor celebrated, but instead: condemned, attacked, beaten, imprisoned, repressed, silenced, raped, tortured, executed, distorted, ignored. At present, the EZLN support communities of San Marcos Avils and San Patricio in Chiapas, Mexico, are currently facing severe forms of violence, harassment, and displacement from their ancestral lands. The indigenous peoples who reside in these two communities have become the targets of such violence because they, brazenly, have exercised their autonomy and right to self-determination as indigenous peoples, and have, to that end, developed just systems of self-governance and alternative community institutions, such as schools, cooperative farms and health clinics, that reflect and support indigenous worldviews and culture. They are under attack, in sum, for living a life of dignity and for demanding that everyone be able to do so. For this reason, and given the gravity of the situation, we write to you to solicit your support for our humble proposal: We propose that at this upcoming Wednesday's General Assembly meeting, the OWS General Assembly consider, and ultimately endorse, a statement or resolution of support for the Zapatista communities of San Miguel Avils and San Patricio. Representatives from our organization will be present to discuss the details of the situation and proposal.
In light of the demanding workloads of our members, we ask that you please respond to us as soon as possible, no later than this Friday, if you accept our proposal at movementforjusticeinelbarrio@riseup.net. With love and solidarity, From El Barrio, NYC, Movement for Justice in El Barrio, The Other Campaign New York
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Doug Singsen september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] URGENT PROPOSAL FROM MOVEMENT FOR JUSTICE IN EL BARRIO Thursday, October 13, 2011 9:42:02 AM
We should write the statement of support. This is really important. On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 12:32 AM, <movementforjusticeinelbarrio@riseup.net> wrote: Urgent Message from Movement for Justice in El Barrio, The Other Campaign New York To Members of the OWS General Assembly: Receive greetings and embraces of solidarity from the humble and simple migrant community of El Barrio, NYC: We are Movement for Justice in El Barrio an organization of immigrants that fights for dignity and against neoliberal displacement. We fight for the liberation of every marginalized group, such as immigrants, people of color, women, lesbians, gays, transgender people, and all the poor of the world. We are part of the Zapatista-initated The Other Campaign. Last Sunday, beneath the red sculpture that marks the entrance to "Liberty Plaza", we shared our Declaration in Support of Occupied Wall St. As dusk came upon us, our words found resonance in the hearts of people who, like us, seek a world of dignity. In addition to our Declaration, we shared with you a communiqu written 15 years ago by the Zapatista National Liberation Army (EZLN) of Mexico which is for many of us our homeland. In this communiqu, the Zapatistas pay homage to all the women who fight for justice in the world. For nearly three decades, the Zapatistas have waged a tireless and profound struggle to build, as they say, un mundo dnde quepan todos los mundos: A world in which all worlds fit. Day after day, they continue building this world from below and to the left outside of and against political parties and the capitalist system. Their struggle is a kind of poetry that has touched the hearts of dignified people from around the world. Their vision and analysis of the world is perhaps best articulated in the document, to which we adhere as an organization, called: La Sexta Declaracin de La Selva Lacandona (English version available here: https://webspace.utexas.edu/hcleaver/www/SixthDeclaration.html). We believe strongly that the Zapatista struggle, with its form, principles, and aims, has shaped profoundly the resistance that is taking place on Wall Street today. As you know, in the world in which we live, such a struggle is neither welcomed nor celebrated, but instead: condemned, attacked, beaten, imprisoned, repressed, silenced, raped, tortured, executed, distorted, ignored. At present, the EZLN support communities of San Marcos Avils and San
Patricio in Chiapas, Mexico, are currently facing severe forms of violence, harassment, and displacement from their ancestral lands. The indigenous peoples who reside in these two communities have become the targets of such violence because they, brazenly, have exercised their autonomy and right to self-determination as indigenous peoples, and have, to that end, developed just systems of self-governance and alternative community institutions, such as schools, cooperative farms and health clinics, that reflect and support indigenous worldviews and culture. They are under attack, in sum, for living a life of dignity and for demanding that everyone be able to do so. For this reason, and given the gravity of the situation, we write to you to solicit your support for our humble proposal: We propose that at this upcoming Wednesday's General Assembly meeting, the OWS General Assembly consider, and ultimately endorse, a statement or resolution of support for the Zapatista communities of San Miguel Avils and San Patricio. Representatives from our organization will be present to discuss the details of the situation and proposal. In light of the demanding workloads of our members, we ask that you please respond to us as soon as possible, no later than this Friday, if you accept our proposal at movementforjusticeinelbarrio@riseup.net. With love and solidarity, From El Barrio, NYC, Movement for Justice in El Barrio, The Other Campaign New York
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Amin Husain september17@googlegroups.com september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Zionist speaker at OWS outreach training Wednesday, October 12, 2011 7:38:06 AM
Andy and Layan - What do you think is needed to make things better? On Oct 12, 2011, at 7:32 AM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote: > Can we have a teach in in front of UN? The NYU speak out was > successful. Perhaps a UN speak out will also be just as successful to > bring attention to the failed policies. > > On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 7:06 AM, Amin Husain <amin.husain@gmail.com> wrote: >> I am happy to help with a teach-in. >> >> On Oct 12, 2011, at 3:49 AM, Layan Fuleihan <lsfuleihan@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I agree wholeheartedly. As an arab-american with Palestinian roots, I've >> been encouraged by the amount of support and inclusion so far in the square. >> This is definitely not something I'm used to seeing, and it is really >> heartwarming and encouraging. There are of course differences of opinion, >> and while I personally do not see any reason at all to support a zionist >> political agenda, I will respect the right of anyone involved with OWS to >> have their own opinions regarding this issue. >> However, there is a difference between having personal opinions and being >> afraid to hear all sides. What it sounds like happened (and I wasn't there, >> so I apologize if this is inaccurate) is, with the downward finger signs and >> general disapproval, and unwillingness to face an uncomfortable truth. If >> this isn't then time, then when? >> OWS is not about being comfortable. Isn't this supposed to be a place where >> voices that are usually oppressed to finally be heard? If anyone has any >> critique about anything that goes on in the square, it must be fairly >> considered. The specific context of the J-14 protests is specifically >> concerning: yes, the J-14 protests might have been similar to ours in form >> and style and subject, but the real housing crisis in Israel happened half a >> century ago with the mass expulsion of Palestinians from their homes and >> continues today with settlement expansion and an institutionalized policy of >> racism and apartheid. These are facts that are, at this point, impossible >> to ignore and undeniable, there is more than enough human and material >> evidence so that this becomes larger than politics, it is an issue of basic >> human rights. To speak of the J14 protests without at least acknowledging >> this reality goes against what I understand is one of the main central >> productive abilities of OWS that gives it such credibility: a drive to >> unmask the forms of oppression the national and global system currently >> creates. Further, it is our responsibility to face these facts: the >> disproportionately large U.S. financial and political support of Israel >> makes this issue urgently relevant to our protests. >> I second Andy's suggestion for a teach in and discussion between different >> groups to start coming to an understanding on this topic. I truly believe >> that OWS is the space for this sort of productive discussion to happen, I've >> seen it happen, and I'm very optimistic that it can occur again. >> Thanks, >> Layan >> >> On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 9:41 PM, acpollack2@juno.com <acpollack2@juno.com> >> wrote:
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Tonight (Tuesday) was the first Occupy Wall Street outreach training. I was shocked to hear that the first speaker after the introduction would be an activist from the Israeli "tent protests," the racist movement which was fighting for cheaper rents and mortgages for stolen homes on stolen land. OWS has responded to criticisms of inadequate leadership and participation and addressing of issues by and regarding people of color by fostering discussion and restructuring. The racist "tent protest" movement responded to equivalent challenges from Palestinians by telling them, "shut up, leave us alone, don't divide the movement." I waited to hear what the speaker (Ezra something) had to say, and it was as bad as I feared. It was all about the technical issues of outreach and democracy, and not one word about outreach to Palestinians or inclusion of their issues. When he finished I got the floor (even though there hadn't been discussion time planned for that agenda point) and made some of the above points. Almost as soon as I began speaking murmurs of disagreement and calls of "this isn't the time" and downward "twinkling" hand motions began. One of the facilitators asked the speaker to respond, and he said "it's a question of outreach. I did outreach to Palestinians in Israel who were leery of joining the movement. You'll have to do the same in the Bronx. The issue of Palestinians in the movement won't be settled here." Well, yes, Mr. Zionist, it will be settled here. There is a huge Palestinian exile community in the US, with that in NY being one of the biggest components. They want their land back, they want their homes back, and they want the right to return. They have no interest in a movement which haggles over the rent paid by Jews to Jews for stolen property. They can't even return to visit because of exclusionary laws passed by your racist state. I have been having a hell of a great time building OWS, especially its labor component, and encouraging Palestinians and other Arabs to join in. That will cease until there is some clarification of exactly where OWS stands on these issues. I can't continue to encourage Palestinians to come to OWS events for fear that they might be surprised, as I was tonight, by the promotion of a racist Zionist speaker. When 30,000 Bedouins are being driven out of their homes, when settlers are escalating murderous attacks and destroying thousands of olive trees, how can I recruit people to a movement which promotes a speaker who thinks this is all irrelevant? I don't presume to know what the opinions of the rest of the leadership of OWS is on this question, and I would be happy to help organize a discussion -- preferably with Palestinian activists, the OWS People of Color committee, and a representative group from the OWS leadership -- to resolve this. How can OWS promote the great revolutionary speech by Mohammed Ezzeldin on Saturday and then promote this racist tonight? The REAL movement OWS can learn from in the region is that of the refugees in May and June who tried to reoccupy their homes in historic Palestine by crossing the borders, some of whom were mercilessly gunned down. Photos have begun to surface in stories about the current Palestinian hunger strike in which at solidarity demonstrations for the prisoners, Palestinians are holding up signs reading "Occupy Wall Street, Not Palestine!" How can we let them down? Until such time I will be devoting my organizing efforts to where they were overwhelmingly before OWS erupted: the Palestine solidarity movement. In solidarity (I hope), Andy Pollack
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Al-Awda NY: the Palestine Right to Return Coalition For background and context: http://electronicintifada.net/blog/jalal-abukhater/what-tent-protest-really-about http://electronicintifada.net/content/tel-aviv-arab-spring-ignores-arabs/10374 http://mrzine.monthlyreview.org/2011/ajl160811.html http://maxblumenthal.com/2011/08/the-exclusive-revolution-israeli-social-justice-and-the-s eparation-principle/#more-2195
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jon Good september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Zionist speaker at OWS outreach training Wednesday, October 12, 2011 10:36:06 AM
Are the J14 protests in Israel still going on? If yes, should we send word that OWS will not support them or recognize their movement until they have include substantive and meaningful ways to include Palestinians? On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 10:15 AM, Winter Siroco <wintersiroco@gmail.com> wrote:
While some at Liberty Plaza are trying to "Recover the American Dream" (hallucination would be more appropriate) some of us are trying to "End the American Nightmare". Many voices have yet to be fully heard at Zuccotti Park before we can reclaim its original name.
Let's have a dialogue with multiple voices, not a consensual monologue.
I am so glad we had the Day In solidarity with Indigenous People instead of the infamous Columbus Day, and that we had great moments and that our internal problems are brought to the Sunlight. We should start working our minds for a new meaning of Thanksgiving Day, and for everyday.
If you are interested in hearing truly oppressed voices, please, read the threads that follow.
---------- Forwardedmessage---------From: Kent Lebsock <oweakuinternational@me.com> Date: Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 9:13 AM
I do think that my posting very much belongs here, and that other problems of blacks and undocumented workers (many of them indigenous people displaced by other horror histories of oppression) belong here too. Cesar
I understand that racism is not necessarily unique in a situation like this. And I'm happy to discuss it with anyone. However, we would hope that you would also understand that as Native peoples we go through this every single time we talk to a group of any kind because the issues are buried, hidden, misunderstood, fantasized, mythical, and denied. Americans deny genocide. Americans think their history with Indians consists of Thanksgiving... and fear. Like that one facilitator said to me, 'you're not special.' But she is wrong and until she and others like it realize that, whatever you do is doomed to failure. Are there other groups in this country who, in order to be removed from their land and their resources stolen, were massacred or starved to death? Are there other groups whose children were literally stolen and taken hundreds of miles from home to be reconditioned to NOT live in the cultures of their birth? Are there other groups in this country who's teenage suicide rate is the highest in the Americas? Are there other groups with unemployment rates of between 65 and 95 percent. Are there other groups whose average life expectancy is 55? Are there other groups in this country who have been fighting colonists, capitalist, christians, kings, empires, democracies and oligarchies for 519 years to simply preserve their right to exist? No, none. So she, and those who think like her, are wrong. I firmly believe that until America and Americans recognize, accept and atone for their own history, this hemisphere will always have a dark cloud hanging over it for all the immigrants coming here. That system is bound to fail because you cannot ever connect to a land that you murder and cheat and lie in order to occupy. Whether that occupation is colonial Virginia or Zucotti Park, you will fail without listening to Indigneous peoples and turning to our connection to the Earth. Our prophecies say so. History shows it. Contemporary events support it. Feel free to share anything I say. The first step in any encounter is transparency. Wopila. Hecetu Kent iamkent@me.com On Oct 12, 2011, at 08:55 AM, Cesar Arenas-Mena <arenasmena@gmail.com> wrote: Dear Kent, Glenn, Tiokasin, Roberto and Janene, I propose to bring your concerns to the general OWS email discussion group. If you agree, I could post your letter today.
The easiest thing to do would be to forget about it and walk our way, but if we are serious about transforming the world we should start by transforming minds. I am not myself very prone to the task, but stupidity, ignorance and conscious or unconscious bigotry will only be defeated after confrontation.
Your incident was not the first, and it will not be the last. Similar concerns have been raised about Palestinian rights and a Zionist who joined a working group. I do not think there will be any transformation of our society if we do not define and defend what we stand for.
I not only ask you to share your concerns with the group, but to join the ongoing discussion (I could request your inclusion in the OWS email group). There will be no consensus but monologue if only privileged voices are heard.
We have many beautiful documents already, about human rights, freedoms and treaties of mutual respect, just ink and paper if the words do not reach our souls.
Give it some thought, a lot of people should hear what you have to say, and it is not so often that people gets ready to hear and speak truth. Join those of us who are serious about truly changing the way we treat each other.
Cesar We are waking up from the American Nightmare.
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 12:37 PM, Tiokasin Ghosthorse <tiokasin@gmail.com> wrote: September 17, 1787 I got into a bit of a tiff with one washicu woman who was clearly completely uneducated (she used the old refrain, "I didn't have anything to do with colonization and it wasn't her responsibility."). Kent, This is an example or an excuse to not take individual responsibility in all aspects of education themselves on the real issues rather than their privileges. I often have a response to this American Exceptionalism. I usually ask them if they follow the democracy and the U.S. Constitution signed over 200 years ago and most often they say, "yes." If I feel inclined, I remind them of what the document's signers did to the Original Peoples of this land called Turtle Island. Then I use their own words so to speak and say "well I wasn't there on September 17, 1777 and I didn't sign the constitution nor did my people so why should I have to follow your laws? The 500 year old generational denial is even buried deeper, even with the "Occupy" movement.
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 11:55 AM, Kent L <oweakuinternational@me.com> wrote: Well, I'm gearing up to write a report (I'm starting to feel my age after shouting and standing all evening) but basically the "facilitators" of the "general assembly" said that they weren't "set-up" to consider any kind of declaration so they couldn't "endorse" it. It would, they said, be treating Indians as "special." I got into a bit of a tiff with one washicu woman who was clearly completely uneducated (she used the old refrain, "I didn't have anything to do with colonization and it wasn't her responsibility."). Though they didn't want to treat Indigenous peoples as special, it was in a private meeting of the "facilitators" that this decision occurred (after having told us they would consider it in the General Assembly. Apparently they have learned well from their system of privilege and hierarchy and failed to see the irony. We did present it to the "general assembly" (maybe a thousand people) and asked them to endorse it as groups if they wanted and even offered to come back and do a teach-in in a more intimate setting for those interested, but I doubt it will go anywhere. Nonetheless, the people who had worked with us from "Occupy Wall Street", a young woman named Bahareh and a gentlemen named Cesar, were very supportive and did their best to make sure we were able to make our presentations. I spoke generally about colonialism, capitalism, and a culture designed to create physical and economic reservations based on the devastation of the Earth, trying to follow Rosalie's suggestion about connecting the dots for a non-Indian audience. Roberto Borrero from the United Taino Confederacy spoke more directly to the issue of Columbus and genocide and Tiokasin Ghost Horse talked some about the Indigneous history of Manhattan with input from Steve Newcomb (Leni Lenape). We rounded it off with Janene Yazzie, a young Navajo Deneh activist who is now going to school here in New York. She spoke about the responsibilities within Indigenous cultures to the community, the Earth and the future generations. The overall message was, hopefully, until the rights of Indigenous peoples are addressed there will be no healing for the planet or anybody else. I alluded to that when I told the "facilitator" that I though it would be shameful for them, if New York, the source of the now world-wide "occupy" movement could not find away to endorse the Declaration of Indigenous peoples. Its demonstrative of elitism for sure and the concerns of our peoples and other communities of color. Moving forward, I'm not sure what to do. That will require some reflection, input and prayer. In many ways, it was the same story. As I said in an earlier email to our folks, it's like 1977 at the United Nations. No one gets it and it will be a very long road to educate them on it. In this setting, I'm not sure its worth our very limited resources, both human and financial. On the other hand, this should be a progressive crowd with whom a valuable alliance could be built. Frankly, though, when people are asked, no matter how progressive, to give up their comfort and privilege in exchange for a principle, we've all learned what they choose. In concluding this brief update though, I want to state that the people in the square, the ones who took the time to listen and talk to us and read our Declaration, were very receptive and welcoming and whatever happens they have my blessing. But if it comes to defending the preservation of the Lakota way of life, if I have to, I'll take on any of them. On Oct 10, 2011, at 11:57 PM, Glenn Morris wrote: > Hi, Kent, > Just checking to see what the results of the Wall Street general assembly were? Thanks. > Glenn
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On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 8:12 AM, Matthew Presto <matthew.presto@gmail.com> wrote: A couple hundred representatives from Students for Justice in Palestine are coming to New York this weekend. There's talk of them coming to the occupation on Sunday afternoon. On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 7:35 AM, Amin Husain <amin.husain@gmail.com> wrote: Andy and Layan - What do you think is needed to make things better? On Oct 12, 2011, at 7:32 AM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote: > Can we have a teach in in front of UN? The NYU speak out was > successful. Perhaps a UN speak out will also be just as successful to > bring attention to the failed policies. > > On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 7:06 AM, Amin Husain <amin.husain@gmail.com> wrote: >> I am happy to help with a teach-in. >> >> On Oct 12, 2011, at 3:49 AM, Layan Fuleihan <lsfuleihan@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I agree wholeheartedly. As an arab-american with Palestinian roots, I've >> been encouraged by the amount of support and inclusion so far in the square. >> This is definitely not something I'm used to seeing, and it is really >> heartwarming and encouraging. There are of course differences of opinion, >> and while I personally do not see any reason at all to support a zionist >> political agenda, I will respect the right of anyone involved with OWS to >> have their own opinions regarding this issue. >> However, there is a difference between having personal opinions and being >> afraid to hear all sides. What it sounds like happened (and I wasn't there, >> so I apologize if this is inaccurate) is, with the downward finger signs and >> general disapproval, and unwillingness to face an uncomfortable truth. If >> this isn't then time, then when? >> OWS is not about being comfortable. Isn't this supposed to be a place where >> voices that are usually oppressed to finally be heard? If anyone has any >> critique about anything that goes on in the square, it must be fairly >> considered. The specific context of the J-14 protests is specifically >> concerning: yes, the J-14 protests might have been similar to ours in form >> and style and subject, but the real housing crisis in Israel happened half a >> century ago with the mass expulsion of Palestinians from their homes and >> continues today with settlement expansion and an institutionalized policy of >> racism and apartheid. These are facts that are, at this point, impossible >> to ignore and undeniable, there is more than enough human and material >> evidence so that this becomes larger than politics, it is an issue of basic >> human rights. To speak of the J14 protests without at least acknowledging >> this reality goes against what I understand is one of the main central
>> productive abilities of OWS that gives it such credibility: a drive to >> unmask the forms of oppression the national and global system currently >> creates. Further, it is our responsibility to face these facts: the >> disproportionately large U.S. financial and political support of Israel >> makes this issue urgently relevant to our protests. >> I second Andy's suggestion for a teach in and discussion between different >> groups to start coming to an understanding on this topic. I truly believe >> that OWS is the space for this sort of productive discussion to happen, I've >> seen it happen, and I'm very optimistic that it can occur again. >> Thanks, >> Layan >> >> On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 9:41 PM, acpollack2@juno.com <acpollack2@juno.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Tonight (Tuesday) was the first Occupy Wall Street outreach training. I >>> was shocked to hear that the first speaker after the introduction would be >>> an activist from the Israeli "tent protests," the racist movement which was >>> fighting for cheaper rents and mortgages for stolen homes on stolen land. >>> OWS has responded to criticisms of >>> inadequate leadership and participation and addressing of issues by and >>> regarding people of color by fostering discussion and restructuring. The >>> racist "tent protest" movement responded to equivalent challenges from >>> Palestinians by telling them, "shut >>> up, leave us alone, don't divide the movement." >>> I waited to hear what the speaker (Ezra something) had to say, and it was >>> as bad as I feared. It was all about the technical issues of outreach and >>> democracy, and not one word about outreach to Palestinians or inclusion of >>> their issues. >>> When he finished I got the floor (even though there hadn't been discussion >>> time planned for that agenda point) and made some of the above points. >>> Almost as soon as I began speaking murmurs of disagreement and calls of >>> "this isn't the time" and downward "twinkling" hand motions began. One of >>> the facilitators asked the >>> speaker to respond, and he said "it's a question of outreach. I did >>> outreach to Palestinians in Israel who were leery of joining the movement. >>> You'll have to do the same in the Bronx. The issue of Palestinians in the >>> movement won't be settled here." >>> Well, yes, Mr. Zionist, it will be settled here. There is a huge >>> Palestinian exile community in the US, with that in NY being one of the >>> biggest components. They want their land back, they want their homes back, >>> and they want the right to return. They have no >>> interest in a movement which haggles over the rent paid by Jews to Jews >>> for stolen property. They can't even return to visit because of exclusionary >>> laws passed by your racist state. >>> I have been having a hell of a great time building OWS, especially its >>> labor component, and encouraging Palestinians and other Arabs to join in. >>> That will cease until there is some clarification of exactly where OWS >>> stands on these issues. >>> I can't continue to encourage Palestinians to come to OWS events for fear >>> that they might be surprised, as I was tonight, by the promotion of a racist >>> Zionist speaker. When 30,000 Bedouins are being driven out of their homes, >>> when settlers are escalating murderous attacks and destroying thousands of >>> olive trees, how can I recruit people to a movement which promotes a speaker >>> who thinks this is all irrelevant? >>> I don't presume to know what the opinions of the rest of the leadership of >>> OWS is on this question, and I would be happy to help organize a discussion >>> -- preferably with Palestinian activists, the OWS People of Color committee, >>> and a representative group from >>> the OWS leadership -- to resolve this. >>> How can OWS promote the great revolutionary speech by Mohammed Ezzeldin on >>> Saturday and then promote this racist tonight? >>> The REAL movement OWS can learn from in the region is that of the refugees >>> in May and June who tried to reoccupy their homes in historic Palestine by >>> crossing the borders, some of whom were mercilessly gunned down. >>> Photos have begun to surface in stories about the current Palestinian >>> hunger strike in which at solidarity demonstrations for the prisoners, >>> Palestinians are holding up signs reading "Occupy Wall Street, Not >>> Palestine!" How can we let them down? >>> Until such time I will be devoting my organizing efforts to where they >>> were overwhelmingly before OWS erupted: the Palestine solidarity movement. >>> In solidarity (I hope), >>> Andy Pollack >>> Al-Awda NY: the Palestine Right to Return Coalition >>> For background and context: >>> >>> http://electronicintifada.net/blog/jalal-abukhater/what-tent-protest-really-about >>> >>> http://electronicintifada.net/content/tel-aviv-arab-spring-ignores-arabs/10374 >>> http://mrzine.monthlyreview.org/2011/ajl160811.html >>> >>> http://maxblumenthal.com/2011/08/the-exclusive-revolution-israeli-social-justice-and-the-s >>> eparation-principle/#more-2195 >>>
>> >>
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of shaista husain september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Zionist speaker at OWS outreach training Wednesday, October 12, 2011 10:35:43 AM
Thank you Cesar ---This is the way forward to the light.....endorse the Declaration of First Nation People!!! There is no other way forward. I believe this is the reason we are here. I believe there will be consensus. Peace and love, Shaista On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 10:15 AM, Winter Siroco <wintersiroco@gmail.com> wrote:
Cesar
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On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 8:12 AM, Matthew Presto <matthew.presto@gmail.com> wrote: A couple hundred representatives from Students for Justice in Palestine are coming to New York this weekend. There's talk of them coming to the occupation on Sunday afternoon. On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 7:35 AM, Amin Husain <amin.husain@gmail.com> wrote: Andy and Layan - What do you think is needed to make things better? On Oct 12, 2011, at 7:32 AM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote: > Can we have a teach in in front of UN? The NYU speak out was > successful. Perhaps a UN speak out will also be just as successful to > bring attention to the failed policies. > > On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 7:06 AM, Amin Husain <amin.husain@gmail.com> wrote: >> I am happy to help with a teach-in. >> >> On Oct 12, 2011, at 3:49 AM, Layan Fuleihan <lsfuleihan@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I agree wholeheartedly. As an arab-american with Palestinian roots, I've >> been encouraged by the amount of support and inclusion so far in the square. >> This is definitely not something I'm used to seeing, and it is really >> heartwarming and encouraging. There are of course differences of opinion, >> and while I personally do not see any reason at all to support a zionist >> political agenda, I will respect the right of anyone involved with OWS to >> have their own opinions regarding this issue. >> However, there is a difference between having personal opinions and being >> afraid to hear all sides. What it sounds like happened (and I wasn't there, >> so I apologize if this is inaccurate) is, with the downward finger signs and >> general disapproval, and unwillingness to face an uncomfortable truth. If >> this isn't then time, then when? >> OWS is not about being comfortable. Isn't this supposed to be a place where >> voices that are usually oppressed to finally be heard? If anyone has any >> critique about anything that goes on in the square, it must be fairly >> considered. The specific context of the J-14 protests is specifically >> concerning: yes, the J-14 protests might have been similar to ours in form >> and style and subject, but the real housing crisis in Israel happened half a >> century ago with the mass expulsion of Palestinians from their homes and >> continues today with settlement expansion and an institutionalized policy of >> racism and apartheid. These are facts that are, at this point, impossible >> to ignore and undeniable, there is more than enough human and material
>> evidence so that this becomes larger than politics, it is an issue of basic >> human rights. To speak of the J14 protests without at least acknowledging >> this reality goes against what I understand is one of the main central >> productive abilities of OWS that gives it such credibility: a drive to >> unmask the forms of oppression the national and global system currently >> creates. Further, it is our responsibility to face these facts: the >> disproportionately large U.S. financial and political support of Israel >> makes this issue urgently relevant to our protests. >> I second Andy's suggestion for a teach in and discussion between different >> groups to start coming to an understanding on this topic. I truly believe >> that OWS is the space for this sort of productive discussion to happen, I've >> seen it happen, and I'm very optimistic that it can occur again. >> Thanks, >> Layan >> >> On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 9:41 PM, acpollack2@juno.com <acpollack2@juno.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Tonight (Tuesday) was the first Occupy Wall Street outreach training. I >>> was shocked to hear that the first speaker after the introduction would be >>> an activist from the Israeli "tent protests," the racist movement which was >>> fighting for cheaper rents and mortgages for stolen homes on stolen land. >>> OWS has responded to criticisms of >>> inadequate leadership and participation and addressing of issues by and >>> regarding people of color by fostering discussion and restructuring. The >>> racist "tent protest" movement responded to equivalent challenges from >>> Palestinians by telling them, "shut >>> up, leave us alone, don't divide the movement." >>> I waited to hear what the speaker (Ezra something) had to say, and it was >>> as bad as I feared. It was all about the technical issues of outreach and >>> democracy, and not one word about outreach to Palestinians or inclusion of >>> their issues. >>> When he finished I got the floor (even though there hadn't been discussion >>> time planned for that agenda point) and made some of the above points. >>> Almost as soon as I began speaking murmurs of disagreement and calls of >>> "this isn't the time" and downward "twinkling" hand motions began. One of >>> the facilitators asked the >>> speaker to respond, and he said "it's a question of outreach. I did >>> outreach to Palestinians in Israel who were leery of joining the movement. >>> You'll have to do the same in the Bronx. The issue of Palestinians in the >>> movement won't be settled here." >>> Well, yes, Mr. Zionist, it will be settled here. There is a huge >>> Palestinian exile community in the US, with that in NY being one of the >>> biggest components. They want their land back, they want their homes back, >>> and they want the right to return. They have no >>> interest in a movement which haggles over the rent paid by Jews to Jews >>> for stolen property. They can't even return to visit because of exclusionary >>> laws passed by your racist state. >>> I have been having a hell of a great time building OWS, especially its >>> labor component, and encouraging Palestinians and other Arabs to join in. >>> That will cease until there is some clarification of exactly where OWS >>> stands on these issues. >>> I can't continue to encourage Palestinians to come to OWS events for fear >>> that they might be surprised, as I was tonight, by the promotion of a racist >>> Zionist speaker. When 30,000 Bedouins are being driven out of their homes, >>> when settlers are escalating murderous attacks and destroying thousands of >>> olive trees, how can I recruit people to a movement which promotes a speaker >>> who thinks this is all irrelevant? >>> I don't presume to know what the opinions of the rest of the leadership of >>> OWS is on this question, and I would be happy to help organize a discussion >>> -- preferably with Palestinian activists, the OWS People of Color committee, >>> and a representative group from >>> the OWS leadership -- to resolve this. >>> How can OWS promote the great revolutionary speech by Mohammed Ezzeldin on >>> Saturday and then promote this racist tonight? >>> The REAL movement OWS can learn from in the region is that of the refugees >>> in May and June who tried to reoccupy their homes in historic Palestine by >>> crossing the borders, some of whom were mercilessly gunned down. >>> Photos have begun to surface in stories about the current Palestinian >>> hunger strike in which at solidarity demonstrations for the prisoners, >>> Palestinians are holding up signs reading "Occupy Wall Street, Not >>> Palestine!" How can we let them down? >>> Until such time I will be devoting my organizing efforts to where they >>> were overwhelmingly before OWS erupted: the Palestine solidarity movement. >>> In solidarity (I hope), >>> Andy Pollack >>> Al-Awda NY: the Palestine Right to Return Coalition >>> For background and context: >>> >>> http://electronicintifada.net/blog/jalal-abukhater/what-tent-protest-really-about >>> >>> http://electronicintifada.net/content/tel-aviv-arab-spring-ignores-arabs/10374 >>> http://mrzine.monthlyreview.org/2011/ajl160811.html >>>
>>> http://maxblumenthal.com/2011/08/the-exclusive-revolution-israeli-social-justice-and-the-s >>> eparation-principle/#more-2195 >>> >> >>
Christopher Columbus was the first ZIONIST ===don't you guys get it? The same colonial narrative--genocide. We must endorse the Declaration of First Nation Peoples, in solidarity, for the plight of all people of color. Cesar and Bahareh, i agree-- this is most urgent. On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 10:36 AM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: > I don't see the cross-purposes. US needs a secure base in the middle of oil > country. My larger point, however, is that it is wholly insufficient to > attack the economic system without understanding that, whatever the economic > system, unsustainable growth based on burning fuel is doomed to catastrophe. > > On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 10:02 AM, Martin Kaminer <martin.kaminer@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> I'm not clear on the connection between unquenchable thirst for oil and >> unshakable support for Israel -- those would seem to work at cross-purposes, >> no? >> >> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 8:43 AM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Any acknowledgment of US military oppression and the "war on terror" as >>> well as the stranglehold that corporations have on politics and the economy >>> should include the primary motivation, the largest - by far most profitable >>> - industry in the world, which is the extraction of fossil fuels. >>> Dependence on oil (enforced by multi-national corporate interests) is the >>> most perniciously destructive aspect of modern society. We've already taken >>> all the easily available oil and now have turned to more exotic, desperate >>> and dangerous methods of obtaining non-renewable, dirty energy, including >>> deep water drilling (Gulf oil spill?), nuclear (Fukushima anyone?), and >>> destroying entire regional ecosystems through mountaintop removal for coal, >>> "natural" gas fracking, and tar sands. >>> The 99% are going to have no economy to recover if we continue to poison >>> the planet. The entire Mideast is going to become literally uninhabitable >>> as the climate heats up, and all this squabbling over the scraps will have >>> been a waste of time. >>> Focus on the real enemy. Exxon, BP, the Koch brothers, Massey >>> Energy...the list is long. >>> >>> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 8:12 AM, Matthew Presto >>> <matthew.presto@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> A couple hundred representatives from Students for Justice in Palestine >>>> are coming to New York this weekend. There's talk of them coming to the >>>> occupation on Sunday afternoon. >>>> >>>> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 7:35 AM, Amin Husain <amin.husain@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Andy and Layan - What do you think is needed to make things better? >>>>> >>>>> On Oct 12, 2011, at 7:32 AM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com>
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wrote: > Can we have a teach in in front of UN? The NYU speak out was > successful. Perhaps a UN speak out will also be just as successful to > bring attention to the failed policies. > > On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 7:06 AM, Amin Husain <amin.husain@gmail.com> > wrote: >> I am happy to help with a teach-in. >> >> On Oct 12, 2011, at 3:49 AM, Layan Fuleihan <lsfuleihan@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> I agree wholeheartedly. As an arab-american with Palestinian roots, >> I've >> been encouraged by the amount of support and inclusion so far in the >> square. >> This is definitely not something I'm used to seeing, and it is >> really >> heartwarming and encouraging. There are of course differences of >> opinion, >> and while I personally do not see any reason at all to support a >> zionist >> political agenda, I will respect the right of anyone involved with >> OWS to >> have their own opinions regarding this issue. >> However, there is a difference between having personal opinions and >> being >> afraid to hear all sides. What it sounds like happened (and I >> wasn't there, >> so I apologize if this is inaccurate) is, with the downward finger >> signs and >> general disapproval, and unwillingness to face an uncomfortable >> truth. If >> this isn't then time, then when? >> OWS is not about being comfortable. Isn't this supposed to be a >> place where >> voices that are usually oppressed to finally be heard? If anyone >> has any >> critique about anything that goes on in the square, it must be >> fairly >> considered. The specific context of the J-14 protests is >> specifically >> concerning: yes, the J-14 protests might have been similar to ours >> in form >> and style and subject, but the real housing crisis in Israel >> happened half a >> century ago with the mass expulsion of Palestinians from their homes >> and >> continues today with settlement expansion and an institutionalized >> policy of >> racism and apartheid. These are facts that are, at this point, >> impossible >> to ignore and undeniable, there is more than enough human and >> material >> evidence so that this becomes larger than politics, it is an issue >> of basic >> human rights. To speak of the J14 protests without at least >> acknowledging >> this reality goes against what I understand is one of the main
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>> central >> productive abilities of OWS that gives it such credibility: a drive >> to >> unmask the forms of oppression the national and global system >> currently >> creates. Further, it is our responsibility to face these facts: the >> disproportionately large U.S. financial and political support of >> Israel >> makes this issue urgently relevant to our protests. >> I second Andy's suggestion for a teach in and discussion between >> different >> groups to start coming to an understanding on this topic. I truly >> believe >> that OWS is the space for this sort of productive discussion to >> happen, I've >> seen it happen, and I'm very optimistic that it can occur again. >> Thanks, >> Layan >> >> On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 9:41 PM, acpollack2@juno.com >> <acpollack2@juno.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Tonight (Tuesday) was the first Occupy Wall Street outreach >>> training. I >>> was shocked to hear that the first speaker after the introduction >>> would be >>> an activist from the Israeli "tent protests," the racist movement >>> which was >>> fighting for cheaper rents and mortgages for stolen homes on stolen >>> land. >>> OWS has responded to criticisms of >>> inadequate leadership and participation and addressing of issues by >>> and >>> regarding people of color by fostering discussion and >>> restructuring. The >>> racist "tent protest" movement responded to equivalent challenges >>> from >>> Palestinians by telling them, "shut >>> up, leave us alone, don't divide the movement." >>> I waited to hear what the speaker (Ezra something) had to say, and >>> it was >>> as bad as I feared. It was all about the technical issues of >>> outreach and >>> democracy, and not one word about outreach to Palestinians or >>> inclusion of >>> their issues. >>> When he finished I got the floor (even though there hadn't been >>> discussion >>> time planned for that agenda point) and made some of the above >>> points. >>> Almost as soon as I began speaking murmurs of disagreement and >>> calls of >>> "this isn't the time" and downward "twinkling" hand motions began. >>> One of >>> the facilitators asked the >>> speaker to respond, and he said "it's a question of outreach. I did >>> outreach to Palestinians in Israel who were leery of joining the >>> movement.
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You'll have to do the same in the Bronx. The issue of Palestinians in the movement won't be settled here." Well, yes, Mr. Zionist, it will be settled here. There is a huge Palestinian exile community in the US, with that in NY being one of the biggest components. They want their land back, they want their homes back, and they want the right to return. They have no interest in a movement which haggles over the rent paid by Jews to Jews for stolen property. They can't even return to visit because of exclusionary laws passed by your racist state. I have been having a hell of a great time building OWS, especially its labor component, and encouraging Palestinians and other Arabs to join in. That will cease until there is some clarification of exactly where OWS stands on these issues. I can't continue to encourage Palestinians to come to OWS events for fear that they might be surprised, as I was tonight, by the promotion of a racist Zionist speaker. When 30,000 Bedouins are being driven out of their homes, when settlers are escalating murderous attacks and destroying thousands of olive trees, how can I recruit people to a movement which promotes a speaker who thinks this is all irrelevant? I don't presume to know what the opinions of the rest of the leadership of OWS is on this question, and I would be happy to help organize a discussion -- preferably with Palestinian activists, the OWS People of Color committee, and a representative group from the OWS leadership -- to resolve this. How can OWS promote the great revolutionary speech by Mohammed Ezzeldin on Saturday and then promote this racist tonight? The REAL movement OWS can learn from in the region is that of the refugees in May and June who tried to reoccupy their homes in historic Palestine by crossing the borders, some of whom were mercilessly gunned down. Photos have begun to surface in stories about the current Palestinian hunger strike in which at solidarity demonstrations for the prisoners, Palestinians are holding up signs reading "Occupy Wall Street, Not Palestine!" How can we let them down? Until such time I will be devoting my organizing efforts to where they were overwhelmingly before OWS erupted: the Palestine solidarity movement. In solidarity (I hope), Andy Pollack
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Al-Awda NY: the Palestine Right to Return Coalition For background and context: http://electronicintifada.net/blog/jalal-abukhater/what-tent-protest-really-about http://electronicintifada.net/content/tel-aviv-arab-spring-ignores-arabs/10374 http://mrzine.monthlyreview.org/2011/ajl160811.html http://maxblumenthal.com/2011/08/the-exclusive-revolution-israeli-social-justice-and-the-
>>> eparation-principle/#more-2195 >>> >> >>
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Zionist speaker at OWS outreach training Wednesday, October 12, 2011 11:11:20 AM
Zionism has no place in #occupywallstreet and I will not support zionism in anyway. Leave it at home. Please. There are other spaces for you to work on yr racism this is not the place. On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 10:38 AM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote: > Christopher Columbus was the first ZIONIST ===don't you guys get it? > The same colonial narrative--genocide. > We must endorse the Declaration of First Nation Peoples, in > solidarity, for the plight of all people of color. > Cesar and Bahareh, i agree-- this is most urgent. > > > On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 10:36 AM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: >> I don't see the cross-purposes. US needs a secure base in the middle of oil >> country. My larger point, however, is that it is wholly insufficient to >> attack the economic system without understanding that, whatever the economic >> system, unsustainable growth based on burning fuel is doomed to catastrophe. >> >> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 10:02 AM, Martin Kaminer <martin.kaminer@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> I'm not clear on the connection between unquenchable thirst for oil and >>> unshakable support for Israel -- those would seem to work at cross-purposes, >>> no? >>> >>> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 8:43 AM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Any acknowledgment of US military oppression and the "war on terror" as >>>> well as the stranglehold that corporations have on politics and the economy >>>> should include the primary motivation, the largest - by far most profitable >>>> - industry in the world, which is the extraction of fossil fuels. >>>> Dependence on oil (enforced by multi-national corporate interests) is the >>>> most perniciously destructive aspect of modern society. We've already taken >>>> all the easily available oil and now have turned to more exotic, desperate >>>> and dangerous methods of obtaining non-renewable, dirty energy, including >>>> deep water drilling (Gulf oil spill?), nuclear (Fukushima anyone?), and >>>> destroying entire regional ecosystems through mountaintop removal for coal, >>>> "natural" gas fracking, and tar sands. >>>> The 99% are going to have no economy to recover if we continue to poison >>>> the planet. The entire Mideast is going to become literally uninhabitable >>>> as the climate heats up, and all this squabbling over the scraps will have >>>> been a waste of time. >>>> Focus on the real enemy. Exxon, BP, the Koch brothers, Massey >>>> Energy...the list is long.
>>>> >>>> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 8:12 AM, Matthew Presto >>>> <matthew.presto@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> A couple hundred representatives from Students for Justice in Palestine >>>>> are coming to New York this weekend. There's talk of them coming to the >>>>> occupation on Sunday afternoon. >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 7:35 AM, Amin Husain <amin.husain@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Andy and Layan - What do you think is needed to make things better? >>>>>> >>>>>> On Oct 12, 2011, at 7:32 AM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> > Can we have a teach in in front of UN? The NYU speak out was >>>>>> > successful. Perhaps a UN speak out will also be just as successful to >>>>>> > bring attention to the failed policies. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 7:06 AM, Amin Husain <amin.husain@gmail.com> >>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>> >> I am happy to help with a teach-in. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> On Oct 12, 2011, at 3:49 AM, Layan Fuleihan <lsfuleihan@gmail.com> >>>>>> >> wrote: >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> I agree wholeheartedly. As an arab-american with Palestinian roots, >>>>>> >> I've >>>>>> >> been encouraged by the amount of support and inclusion so far in the >>>>>> >> square. >>>>>> >> This is definitely not something I'm used to seeing, and it is >>>>>> >> really >>>>>> >> heartwarming and encouraging. There are of course differences of >>>>>> >> opinion, >>>>>> >> and while I personally do not see any reason at all to support a >>>>>> >> zionist >>>>>> >> political agenda, I will respect the right of anyone involved with >>>>>> >> OWS to >>>>>> >> have their own opinions regarding this issue. >>>>>> >> However, there is a difference between having personal opinions and >>>>>> >> being >>>>>> >> afraid to hear all sides. What it sounds like happened (and I >>>>>> >> wasn't there, >>>>>> >> so I apologize if this is inaccurate) is, with the downward finger >>>>>> >> signs and >>>>>> >> general disapproval, and unwillingness to face an uncomfortable >>>>>> >> truth. If >>>>>> >> this isn't then time, then when? >>>>>> >> OWS is not about being comfortable. Isn't this supposed to be a
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>> place where >> voices that are usually oppressed to finally be heard? If anyone >> has any >> critique about anything that goes on in the square, it must be >> fairly >> considered. The specific context of the J-14 protests is >> specifically >> concerning: yes, the J-14 protests might have been similar to ours >> in form >> and style and subject, but the real housing crisis in Israel >> happened half a >> century ago with the mass expulsion of Palestinians from their homes >> and >> continues today with settlement expansion and an institutionalized >> policy of >> racism and apartheid. These are facts that are, at this point, >> impossible >> to ignore and undeniable, there is more than enough human and >> material >> evidence so that this becomes larger than politics, it is an issue >> of basic >> human rights. To speak of the J14 protests without at least >> acknowledging >> this reality goes against what I understand is one of the main >> central >> productive abilities of OWS that gives it such credibility: a drive >> to >> unmask the forms of oppression the national and global system >> currently >> creates. Further, it is our responsibility to face these facts: the >> disproportionately large U.S. financial and political support of >> Israel >> makes this issue urgently relevant to our protests. >> I second Andy's suggestion for a teach in and discussion between >> different >> groups to start coming to an understanding on this topic. I truly >> believe >> that OWS is the space for this sort of productive discussion to >> happen, I've >> seen it happen, and I'm very optimistic that it can occur again. >> Thanks, >> Layan >> >> On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 9:41 PM, acpollack2@juno.com >> <acpollack2@juno.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Tonight (Tuesday) was the first Occupy Wall Street outreach >>> training. I >>> was shocked to hear that the first speaker after the introduction >>> would be >>> an activist from the Israeli "tent protests," the racist movement
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which was fighting for cheaper rents and mortgages for stolen homes on stolen land. OWS has responded to criticisms of inadequate leadership and participation and addressing of issues by and regarding people of color by fostering discussion and restructuring. The racist "tent protest" movement responded to equivalent challenges from Palestinians by telling them, "shut up, leave us alone, don't divide the movement." I waited to hear what the speaker (Ezra something) had to say, and it was as bad as I feared. It was all about the technical issues of outreach and democracy, and not one word about outreach to Palestinians or inclusion of their issues. When he finished I got the floor (even though there hadn't been discussion time planned for that agenda point) and made some of the above points. Almost as soon as I began speaking murmurs of disagreement and calls of "this isn't the time" and downward "twinkling" hand motions began. One of the facilitators asked the speaker to respond, and he said "it's a question of outreach. I did outreach to Palestinians in Israel who were leery of joining the movement. You'll have to do the same in the Bronx. The issue of Palestinians in the movement won't be settled here." Well, yes, Mr. Zionist, it will be settled here. There is a huge Palestinian exile community in the US, with that in NY being one of the biggest components. They want their land back, they want their homes back, and they want the right to return. They have no interest in a movement which haggles over the rent paid by Jews to Jews for stolen property. They can't even return to visit because of exclusionary laws passed by your racist state. I have been having a hell of a great time building OWS, especially its labor component, and encouraging Palestinians and other Arabs to join in. That will cease until there is some clarification of exactly where OWS stands on these issues. I can't continue to encourage Palestinians to come to OWS events
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for fear that they might be surprised, as I was tonight, by the promotion of a racist Zionist speaker. When 30,000 Bedouins are being driven out of their homes, when settlers are escalating murderous attacks and destroying thousands of olive trees, how can I recruit people to a movement which promotes a speaker who thinks this is all irrelevant? I don't presume to know what the opinions of the rest of the leadership of OWS is on this question, and I would be happy to help organize a discussion -- preferably with Palestinian activists, the OWS People of Color committee, and a representative group from the OWS leadership -- to resolve this. How can OWS promote the great revolutionary speech by Ezzeldin on Saturday and then promote this racist tonight? The REAL movement OWS can learn from in the region is that of the refugees in May and June who tried to reoccupy their homes in historic Palestine by crossing the borders, some of whom were mercilessly gunned down. Photos have begun to surface in stories about the current Palestinian hunger strike in which at solidarity demonstrations for the prisoners, Palestinians are holding up signs reading "Occupy Wall Street, Not Palestine!" How can we let them down? Until such time I will be devoting my organizing efforts to where they were overwhelmingly before OWS erupted: the Palestine solidarity movement. In solidarity (I hope), Andy Pollack Al-Awda NY: the Palestine Right to Return Coalition For background and context: http://electronicintifada.net/blog/jalal-abukhater/what-tent-protest-
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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jon Good september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Zionist speaker at OWS outreach training Wednesday, October 12, 2011 12:26:13 PM
I'd like to give my two cents about the dangers of lumping all the crimes of the Israeli government into "Zionism". Zionism is racist because it's based on the idea that nation-states should be defined by ethnicity, that is, that Israel should exist as a specifically Jewish state. It's an obsolete belief based on a nineteenth-century European worldview. The occupation of Palestine and the aparthied and violence and destruction wrought by the government of Israel (and the corporations who make money from it) against Palestinians are atrocities that go way beyond that. Zionism may be used by politicians to justify and contextualize these atrocities, but that's not really where they arise. To boil all these things down to Zionism is to blame an idea rather than hold accountable the people who actually make the decisions to continue killing and destroying. The crimes of the Israeli government are not unique to Zionism; they are the same as ones committed across the world in the names ofat various times communism, capitalism, national socialism, democracy, manifest destiny, national security, and religion. The story of the nation of Israel is the cautionary tale of an oppressed and marginalized people who came together, and used their combined strength oppress and marginalize others. This did not happen in a vacuum. To boil it all down to Zionism is to erase (and absolve) the oppression of both Jews and Palestinians by greedy and power-hungry manipulators. Solidarity, Jon On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 11:11 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: Zionism has no place in #occupywallstreet and I will not support zionism in anyway. Leave it at home. Please. There are other spaces for you to work on yr racism this is not the place. On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 10:38 AM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote: > Christopher Columbus was the first ZIONIST ===don't you guys get it? > The same colonial narrative--genocide. > We must endorse the Declaration of First Nation Peoples, in > solidarity, for the plight of all people of color. > Cesar and Bahareh, i agree-- this is most urgent. > > > On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 10:36 AM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I don't see the cross-purposes. US needs a secure base in the middle of oil >> country. My larger point, however, is that it is wholly insufficient to >> attack the economic system without understanding that, whatever the economic >> system, unsustainable growth based on burning fuel is doomed to catastrophe. >> >> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 10:02 AM, Martin Kaminer <martin.kaminer@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> I'm not clear on the connection between unquenchable thirst for oil and >>> unshakable support for Israel -- those would seem to work at crosspurposes, >>> no? >>> >>> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 8:43 AM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Any acknowledgment of US military oppression and the "war on terror" as >>>> well as the stranglehold that corporations have on politics and the economy >>>> should include the primary motivation, the largest - by far most profitable >>>> - industry in the world, which is the extraction of fossil fuels. >>>> Dependence on oil (enforced by multi-national corporate interests) is the >>>> most perniciously destructive aspect of modern society. We've already taken >>>> all the easily available oil and now have turned to more exotic, desperate >>>> and dangerous methods of obtaining non-renewable, dirty energy, including >>>> deep water drilling (Gulf oil spill?), nuclear (Fukushima anyone?), and >>>> destroying entire regional ecosystems through mountaintop removal for coal, >>>> "natural" gas fracking, and tar sands. >>>> The 99% are going to have no economy to recover if we continue to poison >>>> the planet. The entire Mideast is going to become literally uninhabitable >>>> as the climate heats up, and all this squabbling over the scraps will have >>>> been a waste of time. >>>> Focus on the real enemy. Exxon, BP, the Koch brothers, Massey >>>> Energy...the list is long. >>>> >>>> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 8:12 AM, Matthew Presto >>>> <matthew.presto@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> A couple hundred representatives from Students for Justice in Palestine >>>>> are coming to New York this weekend. There's talk of them coming to the >>>>> occupation on Sunday afternoon. >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 7:35 AM, Amin Husain <amin.husain@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Andy and Layan - What do you think is needed to make things better? >>>>>> >>>>>> On Oct 12, 2011, at 7:32 AM, shaista husain
<shaistahusain@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> > Can we have a teach in in front of UN? The NYU speak out was >>>>>> > successful. Perhaps a UN speak out will also be just as successful to >>>>>> > bring attention to the failed policies. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 7:06 AM, Amin Husain <amin.husain@gmail.com> >>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>> >> I am happy to help with a teach-in. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> On Oct 12, 2011, at 3:49 AM, Layan Fuleihan <lsfuleihan@gmail.com> >>>>>> >> wrote: >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> I agree wholeheartedly. As an arab-american with Palestinian roots, >>>>>> >> I've >>>>>> >> been encouraged by the amount of support and inclusion so far in the >>>>>> >> square. >>>>>> >> This is definitely not something I'm used to seeing, and it is >>>>>> >> really >>>>>> >> heartwarming and encouraging. There are of course differences of >>>>>> >> opinion, >>>>>> >> and while I personally do not see any reason at all to support a >>>>>> >> zionist >>>>>> >> political agenda, I will respect the right of anyone involved with >>>>>> >> OWS to >>>>>> >> have their own opinions regarding this issue. >>>>>> >> However, there is a difference between having personal opinions and >>>>>> >> being >>>>>> >> afraid to hear all sides. What it sounds like happened (and I >>>>>> >> wasn't there, >>>>>> >> so I apologize if this is inaccurate) is, with the downward finger >>>>>> >> signs and >>>>>> >> general disapproval, and unwillingness to face an uncomfortable >>>>>> >> truth. If >>>>>> >> this isn't then time, then when? >>>>>> >> OWS is not about being comfortable. Isn't this supposed to be a >>>>>> >> place where >>>>>> >> voices that are usually oppressed to finally be heard? If anyone >>>>>> >> has any >>>>>> >> critique about anything that goes on in the square, it must be >>>>>> >> fairly >>>>>> >> considered. The specific context of the J-14 protests is >>>>>> >> specifically >>>>>> >> concerning: yes, the J-14 protests might have been similar to ours >>>>>> >> in form >>>>>> >> and style and subject, but the real housing crisis in Israel >>>>>> >> happened half a >>>>>> >> century ago with the mass expulsion of Palestinians from their
homes >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> stolen >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> by >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>
>> and >> continues today with settlement expansion and an institutionalized >> policy of >> racism and apartheid. These are facts that are, at this point, >> impossible >> to ignore and undeniable, there is more than enough human and >> material >> evidence so that this becomes larger than politics, it is an issue >> of basic >> human rights. To speak of the J14 protests without at least >> acknowledging >> this reality goes against what I understand is one of the main >> central >> productive abilities of OWS that gives it such credibility: a drive >> to >> unmask the forms of oppression the national and global system >> currently >> creates. Further, it is our responsibility to face these facts: the >> disproportionately large U.S. financial and political support of >> Israel >> makes this issue urgently relevant to our protests. >> I second Andy's suggestion for a teach in and discussion between >> different >> groups to start coming to an understanding on this topic. I truly >> believe >> that OWS is the space for this sort of productive discussion to >> happen, I've >> seen it happen, and I'm very optimistic that it can occur again. >> Thanks, >> Layan >> >> On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 9:41 PM, acpollack2@juno.com >> <acpollack2@juno.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Tonight (Tuesday) was the first Occupy Wall Street outreach >>> training. I >>> was shocked to hear that the first speaker after the introduction >>> would be >>> an activist from the Israeli "tent protests," the racist movement >>> which was >>> fighting for cheaper rents and mortgages for stolen homes on >>> land. >>> OWS has responded to criticisms of >>> inadequate leadership and participation and addressing of issues >>> >>> >>> >>> and regarding people of color by fostering discussion and restructuring. The racist "tent protest" movement responded to equivalent challenges
>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> and >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> began. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> of >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> to >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> of >>>>>> >>>>>>
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from Palestinians by telling them, "shut up, leave us alone, don't divide the movement." I waited to hear what the speaker (Ezra something) had to say, it was as bad as I feared. It was all about the technical issues of outreach and democracy, and not one word about outreach to Palestinians or inclusion of their issues. When he finished I got the floor (even though there hadn't been discussion time planned for that agenda point) and made some of the above points. Almost as soon as I began speaking murmurs of disagreement and calls of "this isn't the time" and downward "twinkling" hand motions One of the facilitators asked the speaker to respond, and he said "it's a question of outreach. I did outreach to Palestinians in Israel who were leery of joining the movement. You'll have to do the same in the Bronx. The issue of Palestinians in the movement won't be settled here." Well, yes, Mr. Zionist, it will be settled here. There is a huge Palestinian exile community in the US, with that in NY being one the biggest components. They want their land back, they want their homes back, and they want the right to return. They have no interest in a movement which haggles over the rent paid by Jews Jews for stolen property. They can't even return to visit because of exclusionary laws passed by your racist state. I have been having a hell of a great time building OWS, especially its labor component, and encouraging Palestinians and other Arabs to join in. That will cease until there is some clarification of exactly where OWS stands on these issues. I can't continue to encourage Palestinians to come to OWS events for fear that they might be surprised, as I was tonight, by the promotion
>>> a racist >>> Zionist speaker. When 30,000 Bedouins are being driven out of
their >>>>>> >>> homes, >>>>>> >>> when settlers are escalating murderous attacks and destroying >>>>>> >>> thousands of >>>>>> >>> olive trees, how can I recruit people to a movement which promotes >>>>>> >>> a speaker >>>>>> >>> who thinks this is all irrelevant? >>>>>> >>> I don't presume to know what the opinions of the rest of the >>>>>> >>> leadership of >>>>>> >>> OWS is on this question, and I would be happy to help organize a >>>>>> >>> discussion >>>>>> >>> -- preferably with Palestinian activists, the OWS People of Color >>>>>> >>> committee, >>>>>> >>> and a representative group from >>>>>> >>> the OWS leadership -- to resolve this. >>>>>> >>> How can OWS promote the great revolutionary speech by Mohammed >>>>>> >>> Ezzeldin on >>>>>> >>> Saturday and then promote this racist tonight? >>>>>> >>> The REAL movement OWS can learn from in the region is that of the >>>>>> >>> refugees >>>>>> >>> in May and June who tried to reoccupy their homes in historic >>>>>> >>> Palestine by >>>>>> >>> crossing the borders, some of whom were mercilessly gunned down. >>>>>> >>> Photos have begun to surface in stories about the current >>>>>> >>> Palestinian >>>>>> >>> hunger strike in which at solidarity demonstrations for the >>>>>> >>> prisoners, >>>>>> >>> Palestinians are holding up signs reading "Occupy Wall Street, Not >>>>>> >>> Palestine!" How can we let them down? >>>>>> >>> Until such time I will be devoting my organizing efforts to where >>>>>> >>> they >>>>>> >>> were overwhelmingly before OWS erupted: the Palestine solidarity >>>>>> >>> movement. >>>>>> >>> In solidarity (I hope), >>>>>> >>> Andy Pollack >>>>>> >>> Al-Awda NY: the Palestine Right to Return Coalition >>>>>> >>> For background and context: >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> http://electronicintifada.net/blog/jalal-abukhater/what-tentprotest-really-about >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> http://electronicintifada.net/content/tel-aviv-arab-spring-ignoresarabs/10374 >>>>>> >>> http://mrzine.monthlyreview.org/2011/ajl160811.html >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> http://maxblumenthal.com/2011/08/the-exclusive-revolutionEmails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com
israeli-social-justice-and-the-s >>>>>> >>> eparation-principle/#more-2195 >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Martin Kaminer september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Zionist speaker at OWS outreach training Wednesday, October 12, 2011 4:19:14 PM
Ok, so then circling all the way back to the original post, not sure how "hold[ing] accountable the people who actually make the decisions to continue killing and destroying" squares with cutting off contact with the organizers of the J14 'tent protest' movement . . . doesn't appear they made any decisions to kill and destroy Palestinians any more than you and I did to kill and destroy Native Americans. On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 12:25 PM, Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com> wrote: I'd like to give my two cents about the dangers of lumping all the crimes of the Israeli government into "Zionism". Zionism is racist because it's based on the idea that nation-states should be defined by ethnicity, that is, that Israel should exist as a specifically Jewish state. It's an obsolete belief based on a nineteenth-century European worldview. The occupation of Palestine and the aparthied and violence and destruction wrought by the government of Israel (and the corporations who make money from it) against Palestinians are atrocities that go way beyond that. Zionism may be used by politicians to justify and contextualize these atrocities, but that's not really where they arise. To boil all these things down to Zionism is to blame an idea rather than hold accountable the people who actually make the decisions to continue killing and destroying. The crimes of the Israeli government are not unique to Zionism; they are the same as ones committed across the world in the names ofat various timescommunism, capitalism, national socialism, democracy, manifest destiny, national security, and religion. The story of the nation of Israel is the cautionary tale of an oppressed and marginalized people who came together, and used their combined strength oppress and marginalize others. This did not happen in a vacuum. To boil it all down to Zionism is to erase (and absolve) the oppression of both Jews and Palestinians by greedy and power-hungry manipulators. Solidarity, Jon On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 11:11 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: Zionism has no place in #occupywallstreet and I will not support zionism in anyway. Leave it at home. Please. There are other spaces for you to work on yr racism this is not the place. On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 10:38 AM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote: > Christopher Columbus was the first ZIONIST ===don't you guys get it?
> The same colonial narrative--genocide. > We must endorse the Declaration of First Nation Peoples, in > solidarity, for the plight of all people of color. > Cesar and Bahareh, i agree-- this is most urgent. > > > On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 10:36 AM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: >> I don't see the cross-purposes. US needs a secure base in the middle of oil >> country. My larger point, however, is that it is wholly insufficient to >> attack the economic system without understanding that, whatever the economic >> system, unsustainable growth based on burning fuel is doomed to catastrophe. >> >> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 10:02 AM, Martin Kaminer <martin.kaminer@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> I'm not clear on the connection between unquenchable thirst for oil and >>> unshakable support for Israel -- those would seem to work at crosspurposes, >>> no? >>> >>> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 8:43 AM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Any acknowledgment of US military oppression and the "war on terror" as >>>> well as the stranglehold that corporations have on politics and the economy >>>> should include the primary motivation, the largest - by far most profitable >>>> - industry in the world, which is the extraction of fossil fuels. >>>> Dependence on oil (enforced by multi-national corporate interests) is the >>>> most perniciously destructive aspect of modern society. We've already taken >>>> all the easily available oil and now have turned to more exotic, desperate >>>> and dangerous methods of obtaining non-renewable, dirty energy, including >>>> deep water drilling (Gulf oil spill?), nuclear (Fukushima anyone?), and >>>> destroying entire regional ecosystems through mountaintop removal for coal, >>>> "natural" gas fracking, and tar sands. >>>> The 99% are going to have no economy to recover if we continue to poison >>>> the planet. The entire Mideast is going to become literally uninhabitable >>>> as the climate heats up, and all this squabbling over the scraps will have >>>> been a waste of time. >>>> Focus on the real enemy. Exxon, BP, the Koch brothers, Massey >>>> Energy...the list is long. >>>> >>>> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 8:12 AM, Matthew Presto >>>> <matthew.presto@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> >>>>> A couple hundred representatives from Students for Justice in Palestine >>>>> are coming to New York this weekend. There's talk of them coming to the >>>>> occupation on Sunday afternoon. >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 7:35 AM, Amin Husain <amin.husain@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Andy and Layan - What do you think is needed to make things better? >>>>>> >>>>>> On Oct 12, 2011, at 7:32 AM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> > Can we have a teach in in front of UN? The NYU speak out was >>>>>> > successful. Perhaps a UN speak out will also be just as successful to >>>>>> > bring attention to the failed policies. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 7:06 AM, Amin Husain <amin.husain@gmail.com> >>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>> >> I am happy to help with a teach-in. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> On Oct 12, 2011, at 3:49 AM, Layan Fuleihan <lsfuleihan@gmail.com> >>>>>> >> wrote: >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> I agree wholeheartedly. As an arab-american with Palestinian roots, >>>>>> >> I've >>>>>> >> been encouraged by the amount of support and inclusion so far in the >>>>>> >> square. >>>>>> >> This is definitely not something I'm used to seeing, and it is >>>>>> >> really >>>>>> >> heartwarming and encouraging. There are of course differences of >>>>>> >> opinion, >>>>>> >> and while I personally do not see any reason at all to support a >>>>>> >> zionist >>>>>> >> political agenda, I will respect the right of anyone involved with >>>>>> >> OWS to >>>>>> >> have their own opinions regarding this issue. >>>>>> >> However, there is a difference between having personal opinions and >>>>>> >> being >>>>>> >> afraid to hear all sides. What it sounds like happened (and I >>>>>> >> wasn't there, >>>>>> >> so I apologize if this is inaccurate) is, with the downward finger >>>>>> >> signs and >>>>>> >> general disapproval, and unwillingness to face an uncomfortable
>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ours >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> homes >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
truth. If this isn't then time, then when? OWS is not about being comfortable. Isn't this supposed to be a place where voices that are usually oppressed to finally be heard? If anyone has any critique about anything that goes on in the square, it must be fairly considered. The specific context of the J-14 protests is specifically concerning: yes, the J-14 protests might have been similar to in form and style and subject, but the real housing crisis in Israel happened half a century ago with the mass expulsion of Palestinians from their
>> and >> continues today with settlement expansion and an institutionalized >> policy of >> racism and apartheid. These are facts that are, at this point, >> impossible >> to ignore and undeniable, there is more than enough human and >> material >> evidence so that this becomes larger than politics, it is an issue >> of basic >> human rights. To speak of the J14 protests without at least >> acknowledging >> this reality goes against what I understand is one of the main >> central >> productive abilities of OWS that gives it such credibility: a drive >> to >> unmask the forms of oppression the national and global system >> currently >> creates. Further, it is our responsibility to face these facts: the >> disproportionately large U.S. financial and political support of >> Israel >> makes this issue urgently relevant to our protests. >> I second Andy's suggestion for a teach in and discussion between >> different >> groups to start coming to an understanding on this topic. I truly >> believe >> that OWS is the space for this sort of productive discussion to >> happen, I've >> seen it happen, and I'm very optimistic that it can occur again. >> Thanks, >> Layan >> >> On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 9:41 PM, acpollack2@juno.com >> <acpollack2@juno.com> >> wrote: >>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> stolen >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> by >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> challenges >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> and >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> above >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> and >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> began. >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> did >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> Palestinians >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> of >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>>
Tonight (Tuesday) was the first Occupy Wall Street outreach training. I was shocked to hear that the first speaker after the introduction would be an activist from the Israeli "tent protests," the racist movement which was fighting for cheaper rents and mortgages for stolen homes on land. OWS has responded to criticisms of inadequate leadership and participation and addressing of issues and regarding people of color by fostering discussion and restructuring. The racist "tent protest" movement responded to equivalent from Palestinians by telling them, "shut up, leave us alone, don't divide the movement." I waited to hear what the speaker (Ezra something) had to say, it was as bad as I feared. It was all about the technical issues of outreach and democracy, and not one word about outreach to Palestinians or inclusion of their issues. When he finished I got the floor (even though there hadn't been discussion time planned for that agenda point) and made some of the points. Almost as soon as I began speaking murmurs of disagreement calls of "this isn't the time" and downward "twinkling" hand motions One of the facilitators asked the speaker to respond, and he said "it's a question of outreach. I outreach to Palestinians in Israel who were leery of joining the movement. You'll have to do the same in the Bronx. The issue of in the movement won't be settled here." Well, yes, Mr. Zionist, it will be settled here. There is a huge Palestinian exile community in the US, with that in NY being one the biggest components. They want their land back, they want their
>>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> Jews to >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> especially >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> to >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> events >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> of >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> their >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> promotes >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> a >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> Mohammed >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> the >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> down. >>>>>> >>>
homes back, and they want the right to return. They have no interest in a movement which haggles over the rent paid by Jews for stolen property. They can't even return to visit because of exclusionary laws passed by your racist state. I have been having a hell of a great time building OWS, its labor component, and encouraging Palestinians and other Arabs join in. That will cease until there is some clarification of exactly where OWS stands on these issues. I can't continue to encourage Palestinians to come to OWS for fear that they might be surprised, as I was tonight, by the promotion a racist Zionist speaker. When 30,000 Bedouins are being driven out of homes, when settlers are escalating murderous attacks and destroying thousands of olive trees, how can I recruit people to a movement which a speaker who thinks this is all irrelevant? I don't presume to know what the opinions of the rest of the leadership of OWS is on this question, and I would be happy to help organize discussion -- preferably with Palestinian activists, the OWS People of Color committee, and a representative group from the OWS leadership -- to resolve this. How can OWS promote the great revolutionary speech by Ezzeldin on Saturday and then promote this racist tonight? The REAL movement OWS can learn from in the region is that of refugees in May and June who tried to reoccupy their homes in historic Palestine by crossing the borders, some of whom were mercilessly gunned Photos have begun to surface in stories about the current
>>>>>> >>> Palestinian >>>>>> >>> hunger strike in which at solidarity demonstrations for the >>>>>> >>> prisoners, >>>>>> >>> Palestinians are holding up signs reading "Occupy Wall Street, Not >>>>>> >>> Palestine!" How can we let them down? >>>>>> >>> Until such time I will be devoting my organizing efforts to where >>>>>> >>> they >>>>>> >>> were overwhelmingly before OWS erupted: the Palestine solidarity >>>>>> >>> movement. >>>>>> >>> In solidarity (I hope), >>>>>> >>> Andy Pollack >>>>>> >>> Al-Awda NY: the Palestine Right to Return Coalition >>>>>> >>> For background and context: >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> http://electronicintifada.net/blog/jalal-abukhater/what-tentprotest-really-about >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> http://electronicintifada.net/content/tel-aviv-arab-spring-ignoresarabs/10374 >>>>>> >>> http://mrzine.monthlyreview.org/2011/ajl160811.html >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> http://maxblumenthal.com/2011/08/the-exclusive-revolutionisraeli-social-justice-and-the-s >>>>>> >>> eparation-principle/#more-2195 >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Layan Fuleihan september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Zionist speaker at OWS outreach training Wednesday, October 12, 2011 4:41:30 PM
But does that mean that it shouldn't be discussed? Both are serious issues that should not be ignored. Also, remember the time frames here, Israel is barely 100 years old, and the 'killing and destroying' is still happening with intensity right now. Would anyone like to help organize some sort of discussion or teach in about this? I don't know what form it should take. It seems tempting to talk about settler colonialism in both the US and in Israel at the same time but I'm afraid of further obscuring the issues by doing that, any other ideas? On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 4:19 PM, Martin Kaminer <martin.kaminer@gmail.com> wrote: Ok, so then circling all the way back to the original post, not sure how "hold[ing] accountable the people who actually make the decisions to continue killing and destroying" squares with cutting off contact with the organizers of the J14 'tent protest' movement . . . doesn't appear they made any decisions to kill and destroy Palestinians any more than you and I did to kill and destroy Native Americans. On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 12:25 PM, Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com> wrote: I'd like to give my two cents about the dangers of lumping all the crimes of the Israeli government into "Zionism". Zionism is racist because it's based on the idea that nation-states should be defined by ethnicity, that is, that Israel should exist as a specifically Jewish state. It's an obsolete belief based on a nineteenth-century European worldview. The occupation of Palestine and the aparthied and violence and destruction wrought by the government of Israel (and the corporations who make money from it) against Palestinians are atrocities that go way beyond that. Zionism may be used by politicians to justify and contextualize these atrocities, but that's not really where they arise. To boil all these things down to Zionism is to blame an idea rather than hold accountable the people who actually make the decisions to continue killing and destroying. The crimes of the Israeli government are not unique to Zionism; they are the same as ones committed across the world in the names ofat various timescommunism, capitalism, national socialism, democracy, manifest destiny, national security, and religion. The story of the nation of Israel is the cautionary tale of an oppressed and marginalized people who came together, and used their combined strength oppress and marginalize others. This did not happen in a vacuum. To boil it all down to Zionism is to erase (and absolve) the oppression of both Jews and Palestinians by greedy and power-hungry manipulators. Solidarity, Jon
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 11:11 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: Zionism has no place in #occupywallstreet and I will not support zionism in anyway. Leave it at home. Please. There are other spaces for you to work on yr racism this is not the place. On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 10:38 AM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote: > Christopher Columbus was the first ZIONIST ===don't you guys get it? > The same colonial narrative--genocide. > We must endorse the Declaration of First Nation Peoples, in > solidarity, for the plight of all people of color. > Cesar and Bahareh, i agree-- this is most urgent. > > > On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 10:36 AM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: >> I don't see the cross-purposes. US needs a secure base in the middle of oil >> country. My larger point, however, is that it is wholly insufficient to >> attack the economic system without understanding that, whatever the economic >> system, unsustainable growth based on burning fuel is doomed to catastrophe. >> >> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 10:02 AM, Martin Kaminer <martin.kaminer@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> I'm not clear on the connection between unquenchable thirst for oil and >>> unshakable support for Israel -- those would seem to work at crosspurposes, >>> no? >>> >>> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 8:43 AM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Any acknowledgment of US military oppression and the "war on terror" as >>>> well as the stranglehold that corporations have on politics and the economy >>>> should include the primary motivation, the largest - by far most profitable >>>> - industry in the world, which is the extraction of fossil fuels. >>>> Dependence on oil (enforced by multi-national corporate interests) is the >>>> most perniciously destructive aspect of modern society. We've already taken
>>>> all the easily available oil and now have turned to more exotic, desperate >>>> and dangerous methods of obtaining non-renewable, dirty energy, including >>>> deep water drilling (Gulf oil spill?), nuclear (Fukushima anyone?), and >>>> destroying entire regional ecosystems through mountaintop removal for coal, >>>> "natural" gas fracking, and tar sands. >>>> The 99% are going to have no economy to recover if we continue to poison >>>> the planet. The entire Mideast is going to become literally uninhabitable >>>> as the climate heats up, and all this squabbling over the scraps will have >>>> been a waste of time. >>>> Focus on the real enemy. Exxon, BP, the Koch brothers, Massey >>>> Energy...the list is long. >>>> >>>> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 8:12 AM, Matthew Presto >>>> <matthew.presto@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> A couple hundred representatives from Students for Justice in Palestine >>>>> are coming to New York this weekend. There's talk of them coming to the >>>>> occupation on Sunday afternoon. >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 7:35 AM, Amin Husain <amin.husain@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Andy and Layan - What do you think is needed to make things better? >>>>>> >>>>>> On Oct 12, 2011, at 7:32 AM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> > Can we have a teach in in front of UN? The NYU speak out was >>>>>> > successful. Perhaps a UN speak out will also be just as successful to >>>>>> > bring attention to the failed policies. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 7:06 AM, Amin Husain <amin.husain@gmail.com> >>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>> >> I am happy to help with a teach-in. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> On Oct 12, 2011, at 3:49 AM, Layan Fuleihan <lsfuleihan@gmail.com> >>>>>> >> wrote: >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> I agree wholeheartedly. As an arab-american with Palestinian
roots, >>>>>> >> I've >>>>>> >> been encouraged by the amount of support and inclusion so far in the >>>>>> >> square. >>>>>> >> This is definitely not something I'm used to seeing, and it is >>>>>> >> really >>>>>> >> heartwarming and encouraging. There are of course differences of >>>>>> >> opinion, >>>>>> >> and while I personally do not see any reason at all to support a >>>>>> >> zionist >>>>>> >> political agenda, I will respect the right of anyone involved with >>>>>> >> OWS to >>>>>> >> have their own opinions regarding this issue. >>>>>> >> However, there is a difference between having personal opinions and >>>>>> >> being >>>>>> >> afraid to hear all sides. What it sounds like happened (and I >>>>>> >> wasn't there, >>>>>> >> so I apologize if this is inaccurate) is, with the downward finger >>>>>> >> signs and >>>>>> >> general disapproval, and unwillingness to face an uncomfortable >>>>>> >> truth. If >>>>>> >> this isn't then time, then when? >>>>>> >> OWS is not about being comfortable. Isn't this supposed to be a >>>>>> >> place where >>>>>> >> voices that are usually oppressed to finally be heard? If anyone >>>>>> >> has any >>>>>> >> critique about anything that goes on in the square, it must be >>>>>> >> fairly >>>>>> >> considered. The specific context of the J-14 protests is >>>>>> >> specifically >>>>>> >> concerning: yes, the J-14 protests might have been similar to ours >>>>>> >> in form >>>>>> >> and style and subject, but the real housing crisis in Israel >>>>>> >> happened half a >>>>>> >> century ago with the mass expulsion of Palestinians from their homes >>>>>> >> and >>>>>> >> continues today with settlement expansion and an institutionalized >>>>>> >> policy of >>>>>> >> racism and apartheid. These are facts that are, at this point, >>>>>> >> impossible >>>>>> >> to ignore and undeniable, there is more than enough human and >>>>>> >> material >>>>>> >> evidence so that this becomes larger than politics, it is an issue >>>>>> >> of basic >>>>>> >> human rights. To speak of the J14 protests without at least
>>>>>> >> acknowledging >>>>>> >> this reality goes against what I understand is one of the main >>>>>> >> central >>>>>> >> productive abilities of OWS that gives it such credibility: a drive >>>>>> >> to >>>>>> >> unmask the forms of oppression the national and global system >>>>>> >> currently >>>>>> >> creates. Further, it is our responsibility to face these facts: the >>>>>> >> disproportionately large U.S. financial and political support of >>>>>> >> Israel >>>>>> >> makes this issue urgently relevant to our protests. >>>>>> >> I second Andy's suggestion for a teach in and discussion between >>>>>> >> different >>>>>> >> groups to start coming to an understanding on this topic. I truly >>>>>> >> believe >>>>>> >> that OWS is the space for this sort of productive discussion to >>>>>> >> happen, I've >>>>>> >> seen it happen, and I'm very optimistic that it can occur again. >>>>>> >> Thanks, >>>>>> >> Layan >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 9:41 PM, acpollack2@juno.com >>>>>> >> <acpollack2@juno.com> >>>>>> >> wrote: >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> Tonight (Tuesday) was the first Occupy Wall Street outreach >>>>>> >>> training. I >>>>>> >>> was shocked to hear that the first speaker after the introduction >>>>>> >>> would be >>>>>> >>> an activist from the Israeli "tent protests," the racist movement >>>>>> >>> which was >>>>>> >>> fighting for cheaper rents and mortgages for stolen homes on stolen >>>>>> >>> land. >>>>>> >>> OWS has responded to criticisms of >>>>>> >>> inadequate leadership and participation and addressing of issues by >>>>>> >>> and >>>>>> >>> regarding people of color by fostering discussion and >>>>>> >>> restructuring. The >>>>>> >>> racist "tent protest" movement responded to equivalent challenges >>>>>> >>> from >>>>>> >>> Palestinians by telling them, "shut >>>>>> >>> up, leave us alone, don't divide the movement." >>>>>> >>> I waited to hear what the speaker (Ezra something) had to say, and >>>>>> >>> it was >>>>>> >>> as bad as I feared. It was all about the technical issues of
>>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> or >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> been >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> above >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> and >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> began. >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> did >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> Palestinians >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> one of >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> their >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> Jews to >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> especially >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> Arabs to >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> where >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> events >>>>>> >>>
outreach and democracy, and not one word about outreach to Palestinians inclusion of their issues. When he finished I got the floor (even though there hadn't discussion time planned for that agenda point) and made some of the points. Almost as soon as I began speaking murmurs of disagreement calls of "this isn't the time" and downward "twinkling" hand motions One of the facilitators asked the speaker to respond, and he said "it's a question of outreach. I outreach to Palestinians in Israel who were leery of joining the movement. You'll have to do the same in the Bronx. The issue of in the movement won't be settled here." Well, yes, Mr. Zionist, it will be settled here. There is a huge Palestinian exile community in the US, with that in NY being the biggest components. They want their land back, they want homes back, and they want the right to return. They have no interest in a movement which haggles over the rent paid by Jews for stolen property. They can't even return to visit because of exclusionary laws passed by your racist state. I have been having a hell of a great time building OWS, its labor component, and encouraging Palestinians and other join in. That will cease until there is some clarification of exactly OWS stands on these issues. I can't continue to encourage Palestinians to come to OWS for fear
>>>>>> >>> promotion of >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> their >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> promotes >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> organize a >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> Color >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> Mohammed >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> of the >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> down. >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> Not >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> where >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> solidarity >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>>
that they might be surprised, as I was tonight, by the a racist Zionist speaker. When 30,000 Bedouins are being driven out of homes, when settlers are escalating murderous attacks and destroying thousands of olive trees, how can I recruit people to a movement which a speaker who thinks this is all irrelevant? I don't presume to know what the opinions of the rest of the leadership of OWS is on this question, and I would be happy to help discussion -- preferably with Palestinian activists, the OWS People of committee, and a representative group from the OWS leadership -- to resolve this. How can OWS promote the great revolutionary speech by Ezzeldin on Saturday and then promote this racist tonight? The REAL movement OWS can learn from in the region is that refugees in May and June who tried to reoccupy their homes in historic Palestine by crossing the borders, some of whom were mercilessly gunned Photos have begun to surface in stories about the current Palestinian hunger strike in which at solidarity demonstrations for the prisoners, Palestinians are holding up signs reading "Occupy Wall Street, Palestine!" How can we let them down? Until such time I will be devoting my organizing efforts to they were overwhelmingly before OWS erupted: the Palestine movement. In solidarity (I hope), Andy Pollack Al-Awda NY: the Palestine Right to Return Coalition For background and context: http://electronicintifada.net/blog/jalal-abukhater/what-tent-
protest-really-about >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> http://electronicintifada.net/content/tel-aviv-arab-springignores-arabs/10374 >>>>>> >>> http://mrzine.monthlyreview.org/2011/ajl160811.html >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> http://maxblumenthal.com/2011/08/the-exclusive-revolutionisraeli-social-justice-and-the-s >>>>>> >>> eparation-principle/#more-2195 >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Zionist speaker at OWS outreach training Wednesday, October 12, 2011 4:43:44 PM
There are other spaces in the city for this discussion. Ows should not be one of them. On Oct 12, 2011 4:39 PM, "Layan Fuleihan" <lsfuleihan@gmail.com> wrote: But does that mean that it shouldn't be discussed? Both are serious issues that should not be ignored. Also, remember the time frames here, Israel is barely 100 years old, and the 'killing and destroying' is still happening with intensity right now. Would anyone like to help organize some sort of discussion or teach in about this? I don't know what form it should take. It seems tempting to talk about settler colonialism in both the US and in Israel at the same time but I'm afraid of further obscuring the issues by doing that, any other ideas? On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 4:19 PM, Martin Kaminer <martin.kaminer@gmail.com> wrote: Ok, so then circling all the way back to the original post, not sure how "hold[ing] accountable the people who actually make the decisions to continue killing and destroying" squares with cutting off contact with the organizers of the J14 'tent protest' movement . . . doesn't appear they made any decisions to kill and destroy Palestinians any more than you and I did to kill and destroy Native Americans. On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 12:25 PM, Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com> wrote: I'd like to give my two cents about the dangers of lumping all the crimes of the Israeli government into "Zionism". Zionism is racist because it's based on the idea that nation-states should be defined by ethnicity, that is, that Israel should exist as a specifically Jewish state. It's an obsolete belief based on a nineteenth-century European worldview. The occupation of Palestine and the aparthied and violence and destruction wrought by the government of Israel (and the corporations who make money from it) against Palestinians are atrocities that go way beyond that. Zionism may be used by politicians to justify and contextualize these atrocities, but that's not really where they arise. To boil all these things down to Zionism is to blame an idea rather than hold accountable the people who actually make the decisions to continue killing and destroying. The crimes of the Israeli government are not unique to Zionism; they are the same as ones committed across the world in the names ofat various timescommunism, capitalism, national socialism, democracy, manifest destiny, national security, and religion. The story of the nation of Israel is the cautionary tale of an oppressed and marginalized people who came together, and used their combined strength
oppress and marginalize others. This did not happen in a vacuum. To boil it all down to Zionism is to erase (and absolve) the oppression of both Jews and Palestinians by greedy and power-hungry manipulators. Solidarity, Jon On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 11:11 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: Zionism has no place in #occupywallstreet and I will not support zionism in anyway. Leave it at home. Please. There are other spaces for you to work on yr racism this is not the place. On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 10:38 AM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote: > Christopher Columbus was the first ZIONIST ===don't you guys get it? > The same colonial narrative--genocide. > We must endorse the Declaration of First Nation Peoples, in > solidarity, for the plight of all people of color. > Cesar and Bahareh, i agree-- this is most urgent. > > > On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 10:36 AM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: >> I don't see the cross-purposes. US needs a secure base in the middle of oil >> country. My larger point, however, is that it is wholly insufficient to >> attack the economic system without understanding that, whatever the economic >> system, unsustainable growth based on burning fuel is doomed to catastrophe. >> >> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 10:02 AM, Martin Kaminer <martin.kaminer@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> I'm not clear on the connection between unquenchable thirst for oil and >>> unshakable support for Israel -- those would seem to work at crosspurposes, >>> no? >>> >>> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 8:43 AM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Any acknowledgment of US military oppression and the "war on terror" as >>>> well as the stranglehold that corporations have on politics and the
economy >>>> should include the primary motivation, the largest - by far most profitable >>>> - industry in the world, which is the extraction of fossil fuels. >>>> Dependence on oil (enforced by multi-national corporate interests) is the >>>> most perniciously destructive aspect of modern society. We've already taken >>>> all the easily available oil and now have turned to more exotic, desperate >>>> and dangerous methods of obtaining non-renewable, dirty energy, including >>>> deep water drilling (Gulf oil spill?), nuclear (Fukushima anyone?), and >>>> destroying entire regional ecosystems through mountaintop removal for coal, >>>> "natural" gas fracking, and tar sands. >>>> The 99% are going to have no economy to recover if we continue to poison >>>> the planet. The entire Mideast is going to become literally uninhabitable >>>> as the climate heats up, and all this squabbling over the scraps will have >>>> been a waste of time. >>>> Focus on the real enemy. Exxon, BP, the Koch brothers, Massey >>>> Energy...the list is long. >>>> >>>> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 8:12 AM, Matthew Presto >>>> <matthew.presto@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> A couple hundred representatives from Students for Justice in Palestine >>>>> are coming to New York this weekend. There's talk of them coming to the >>>>> occupation on Sunday afternoon. >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 7:35 AM, Amin Husain <amin.husain@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Andy and Layan - What do you think is needed to make things better? >>>>>> >>>>>> On Oct 12, 2011, at 7:32 AM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> > Can we have a teach in in front of UN? The NYU speak out was >>>>>> > successful. Perhaps a UN speak out will also be just as successful to >>>>>> > bring attention to the failed policies. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 7:06 AM, Amin Husain
<amin.husain@gmail.com> >>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>> >> I am happy to help with a teach-in. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> On Oct 12, 2011, at 3:49 AM, Layan Fuleihan <lsfuleihan@gmail.com> >>>>>> >> wrote: >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> I agree wholeheartedly. As an arab-american with Palestinian roots, >>>>>> >> I've >>>>>> >> been encouraged by the amount of support and inclusion so far in the >>>>>> >> square. >>>>>> >> This is definitely not something I'm used to seeing, and it is >>>>>> >> really >>>>>> >> heartwarming and encouraging. There are of course differences of >>>>>> >> opinion, >>>>>> >> and while I personally do not see any reason at all to support a >>>>>> >> zionist >>>>>> >> political agenda, I will respect the right of anyone involved with >>>>>> >> OWS to >>>>>> >> have their own opinions regarding this issue. >>>>>> >> However, there is a difference between having personal opinions and >>>>>> >> being >>>>>> >> afraid to hear all sides. What it sounds like happened (and I >>>>>> >> wasn't there, >>>>>> >> so I apologize if this is inaccurate) is, with the downward finger >>>>>> >> signs and >>>>>> >> general disapproval, and unwillingness to face an uncomfortable >>>>>> >> truth. If >>>>>> >> this isn't then time, then when? >>>>>> >> OWS is not about being comfortable. Isn't this supposed to be a >>>>>> >> place where >>>>>> >> voices that are usually oppressed to finally be heard? If anyone >>>>>> >> has any >>>>>> >> critique about anything that goes on in the square, it must be >>>>>> >> fairly >>>>>> >> considered. The specific context of the J-14 protests is >>>>>> >> specifically >>>>>> >> concerning: yes, the J-14 protests might have been similar to ours >>>>>> >> in form >>>>>> >> and style and subject, but the real housing crisis in Israel >>>>>> >> happened half a
>>>>>> >> century ago with the mass expulsion of Palestinians from their homes >>>>>> >> and >>>>>> >> continues today with settlement expansion and an institutionalized >>>>>> >> policy of >>>>>> >> racism and apartheid. These are facts that are, at this point, >>>>>> >> impossible >>>>>> >> to ignore and undeniable, there is more than enough human and >>>>>> >> material >>>>>> >> evidence so that this becomes larger than politics, it is an issue >>>>>> >> of basic >>>>>> >> human rights. To speak of the J14 protests without at least >>>>>> >> acknowledging >>>>>> >> this reality goes against what I understand is one of the main >>>>>> >> central >>>>>> >> productive abilities of OWS that gives it such credibility: a drive >>>>>> >> to >>>>>> >> unmask the forms of oppression the national and global system >>>>>> >> currently >>>>>> >> creates. Further, it is our responsibility to face these facts: the >>>>>> >> disproportionately large U.S. financial and political support of >>>>>> >> Israel >>>>>> >> makes this issue urgently relevant to our protests. >>>>>> >> I second Andy's suggestion for a teach in and discussion between >>>>>> >> different >>>>>> >> groups to start coming to an understanding on this topic. I truly >>>>>> >> believe >>>>>> >> that OWS is the space for this sort of productive discussion to >>>>>> >> happen, I've >>>>>> >> seen it happen, and I'm very optimistic that it can occur again. >>>>>> >> Thanks, >>>>>> >> Layan >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 9:41 PM, acpollack2@juno.com >>>>>> >> <acpollack2@juno.com> >>>>>> >> wrote: >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> Tonight (Tuesday) was the first Occupy Wall Street outreach >>>>>> >>> training. I >>>>>> >>> was shocked to hear that the first speaker after the introduction >>>>>> >>> would be >>>>>> >>> an activist from the Israeli "tent protests," the racist
movement >>>>>> >>> which was >>>>>> >>> fighting for cheaper rents and mortgages for stolen homes on stolen >>>>>> >>> land. >>>>>> >>> OWS has responded to criticisms of >>>>>> >>> inadequate leadership and participation and addressing of issues by >>>>>> >>> and >>>>>> >>> regarding people of color by fostering discussion and >>>>>> >>> restructuring. The >>>>>> >>> racist "tent protest" movement responded to equivalent challenges >>>>>> >>> from >>>>>> >>> Palestinians by telling them, "shut >>>>>> >>> up, leave us alone, don't divide the movement." >>>>>> >>> I waited to hear what the speaker (Ezra something) had to say, and >>>>>> >>> it was >>>>>> >>> as bad as I feared. It was all about the technical issues of >>>>>> >>> outreach and >>>>>> >>> democracy, and not one word about outreach to Palestinians or >>>>>> >>> inclusion of >>>>>> >>> their issues. >>>>>> >>> When he finished I got the floor (even though there hadn't been >>>>>> >>> discussion >>>>>> >>> time planned for that agenda point) and made some of the above >>>>>> >>> points. >>>>>> >>> Almost as soon as I began speaking murmurs of disagreement and >>>>>> >>> calls of >>>>>> >>> "this isn't the time" and downward "twinkling" hand motions began. >>>>>> >>> One of >>>>>> >>> the facilitators asked the >>>>>> >>> speaker to respond, and he said "it's a question of outreach. I did >>>>>> >>> outreach to Palestinians in Israel who were leery of joining the >>>>>> >>> movement. >>>>>> >>> You'll have to do the same in the Bronx. The issue of Palestinians >>>>>> >>> in the >>>>>> >>> movement won't be settled here." >>>>>> >>> Well, yes, Mr. Zionist, it will be settled here. There is a huge >>>>>> >>> Palestinian exile community in the US, with that in NY being one of >>>>>> >>> the >>>>>> >>> biggest components. They want their land back, they want their
>>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> Jews to >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> of >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> especially >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> Arabs to >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> where >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> events >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> promotion of >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> of their >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> destroying >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> promotes >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> organize a >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> Color >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> Mohammed >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> that of the >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>>
homes back, and they want the right to return. They have no interest in a movement which haggles over the rent paid by Jews for stolen property. They can't even return to visit because exclusionary laws passed by your racist state. I have been having a hell of a great time building OWS, its labor component, and encouraging Palestinians and other join in. That will cease until there is some clarification of exactly OWS stands on these issues. I can't continue to encourage Palestinians to come to OWS for fear that they might be surprised, as I was tonight, by the a racist Zionist speaker. When 30,000 Bedouins are being driven out homes, when settlers are escalating murderous attacks and thousands of olive trees, how can I recruit people to a movement which a speaker who thinks this is all irrelevant? I don't presume to know what the opinions of the rest of the leadership of OWS is on this question, and I would be happy to help discussion -- preferably with Palestinian activists, the OWS People of committee, and a representative group from the OWS leadership -- to resolve this. How can OWS promote the great revolutionary speech by Ezzeldin on Saturday and then promote this racist tonight? The REAL movement OWS can learn from in the region is refugees in May and June who tried to reoccupy their homes in
historic >>>>>> >>> Palestine by >>>>>> >>> crossing the borders, some of whom were mercilessly gunned down. >>>>>> >>> Photos have begun to surface in stories about the current >>>>>> >>> Palestinian >>>>>> >>> hunger strike in which at solidarity demonstrations for the >>>>>> >>> prisoners, >>>>>> >>> Palestinians are holding up signs reading "Occupy Wall Street, Not >>>>>> >>> Palestine!" How can we let them down? >>>>>> >>> Until such time I will be devoting my organizing efforts to where >>>>>> >>> they >>>>>> >>> were overwhelmingly before OWS erupted: the Palestine solidarity >>>>>> >>> movement. >>>>>> >>> In solidarity (I hope), >>>>>> >>> Andy Pollack >>>>>> >>> Al-Awda NY: the Palestine Right to Return Coalition >>>>>> >>> For background and context: >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> http://electronicintifada.net/blog/jalal-abukhater/what-tentprotest-really-about >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> http://electronicintifada.net/content/tel-aviv-arab-springignores-arabs/10374 >>>>>> >>> http://mrzine.monthlyreview.org/2011/ajl160811.html >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> http://maxblumenthal.com/2011/08/the-exclusive-revolutionisraeli-social-justice-and-the-s >>>>>> >>> eparation-principle/#more-2195 >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Martin Kaminer september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Zionist speaker at OWS outreach training Wednesday, October 12, 2011 5:30:47 PM
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 4:35 PM, Layan Fuleihan <lsfuleihan@gmail.com> wrote: But does that mean that it shouldn't be discussed? Should for sure be discussed!!! Which is why the impulse to censor an Israeli organizer/activist strikes me as hypocritical. And just to demonstrate the strong linkage to OWS precepts, the much-ballyhooed multi-billion dollar annual support the US provides for Israel is principally in the form of gift cards redeemable at US defense contractors. It's corporate welfare of the highest order.
Over the last 20 years, the U.S. has been slowly phasing out economic aid to Israel and gradually replacing it with increased military aid. Beginning in 2007, the U.S. has increased military aid by $150 million each year. By FY2012, we will be sending Israel $3.09 billion a year (or an average of $8.5 million a day) and will continue to provide military aid at that level through 2018. U.S. tax dollars are subsidizing one of the most powerful foreign militaries. According to the CRS report, [current U.S. military aid] grants to Israel represent 18.2% of the overall Israeli defense budget.
This arms overdose distorts not only the economies but also the societies of both the US and Israel and is driven in large part by a familiar foe: corporate greed. What appears as American support for a colonialist aggressor is just as much a sop to the US military-industrial complex. A key point of the J14 protests was that in Israel the inflated level of investment in defense and military comes at the expense of social welfare and social institutions. Israel is addicted to weapons and we're the drug dealer. If you ask Lockheed Martin, peace is bad for business, in the Middle East or anywhere else. But I don't see how this justifies assailing the integrity of Israeli activists anymore than someone opposing the policies of the US government would hold an OWS occupier accountable for them . . .
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Winter Siroco september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Zionist speaker at OWS outreach training Wednesday, October 12, 2011 9:14:59 PM
Shaista, as I was saying, endorsing or not endorsing the declaration is less relevant than the living document of our daily lives. Cesar On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 10:35 AM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote: Thank you Cesar ---This is the way forward to the light.....endorse the Declaration of First Nation People!!! There is no other way forward. I believe this is the reason we are here. I believe there will be consensus. Peace and love, Shaista On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 10:15 AM, Winter Siroco <wintersiroco@gmail.com> wrote:
While some at Liberty Plaza are trying to "Recover the American Dream" (delusion would be more appropriate) some of us are trying to "End the American Nightmare". Many voices have yet to be fully heard at Zuccotti Park before we can reclaim its original name.
The easiest thing to do would be to forget about it and walk our way, but if we are serious about transforming the world we should start by transforming minds. I am not myself very prone to the task, ignorance and conscious or unconscious bigotry will only be defeated after confrontation.
Cesar We are waking up from the American Nightmare. On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 12:37 PM, Tiokasin Ghosthorse <tiokasin@gmail.com> wrote: September 17, 1787 I got into a bit of a tiff with one washicu woman who was clearly completely uneducated (she used the old refrain, "I didn't have anything to do with colonization and it wasn't her responsibility."). Kent, This is an example or an excuse to not take individual responsibility in all aspects of education themselves on the real issues rather than their privileges. I often have a response to this American Exceptionalism. I usually ask them if they follow the democracy and the U.S. Constitution signed over 200 years ago and most often they say, "yes." If I feel inclined, I remind them of what the document's signers did to the Original Peoples of this land called Turtle Island. Then I use their own words so to speak and say "well I wasn't there on September 17, 1777 and I didn't sign the constitution nor did my people so why should I have to follow your laws? The 500 year old generational denial is even buried deeper, even with the "Occupy" movement.

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On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 8:12 AM, Matthew Presto <matthew.presto@gmail.com> wrote: A couple hundred representatives from Students for Justice in Palestine are coming to New York this weekend. There's talk of them coming to the occupation on Sunday afternoon. On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 7:35 AM, Amin Husain <amin.husain@gmail.com> wrote: Andy and Layan - What do you think is needed to make things better? On Oct 12, 2011, at 7:32 AM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote: > Can we have a teach in in front of UN? The NYU speak out was > successful. Perhaps a UN speak out will also be just as successful to > bring attention to the failed policies. > > On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 7:06 AM, Amin Husain <amin.husain@gmail.com> wrote: >> I am happy to help with a teach-in. >> >> On Oct 12, 2011, at 3:49 AM, Layan Fuleihan <lsfuleihan@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I agree wholeheartedly. As an arab-american with Palestinian roots, I've >> been encouraged by the amount of support and inclusion so far in the square. >> This is definitely not something I'm used to seeing, and it is really >> heartwarming and encouraging. There are of course differences of opinion, >> and while I personally do not see any reason at all to support a zionist >> political agenda, I will respect the right of anyone involved with OWS to >> have their own opinions regarding this issue. >> However, there is a difference between having personal opinions and being >> afraid to hear all sides. What it sounds like happened (and I wasn't there, >> so I apologize if this is inaccurate) is, with the downward finger signs and >> general disapproval, and unwillingness to face an uncomfortable truth. If >> this isn't then time, then when? >> OWS is not about being comfortable. Isn't this supposed to be a place where >> voices that are usually oppressed to finally be heard? If anyone has any >> critique about anything that goes on in the square, it must be fairly >> considered. The specific context of the J-14 protests is specifically >> concerning: yes, the J-14 protests might have been similar to ours in form >> and style and subject, but the real housing crisis in Israel happened half a >> century ago with the mass expulsion of Palestinians from their homes and >> continues today with settlement expansion and an institutionalized policy of >> racism and apartheid. These are facts that are, at this point, impossible >> to ignore and undeniable, there is more than enough human and material >> evidence so that this becomes larger than politics, it is an issue of basic
>> human rights. To speak of the J14 protests without at least acknowledging >> this reality goes against what I understand is one of the main central >> productive abilities of OWS that gives it such credibility: a drive to >> unmask the forms of oppression the national and global system currently >> creates. Further, it is our responsibility to face these facts: the >> disproportionately large U.S. financial and political support of Israel >> makes this issue urgently relevant to our protests. >> I second Andy's suggestion for a teach in and discussion between different >> groups to start coming to an understanding on this topic. I truly believe >> that OWS is the space for this sort of productive discussion to happen, I've >> seen it happen, and I'm very optimistic that it can occur again. >> Thanks, >> Layan >> >> On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 9:41 PM, acpollack2@juno.com <acpollack2@juno.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Tonight (Tuesday) was the first Occupy Wall Street outreach training. I >>> was shocked to hear that the first speaker after the introduction would be >>> an activist from the Israeli "tent protests," the racist movement which was >>> fighting for cheaper rents and mortgages for stolen homes on stolen land. >>> OWS has responded to criticisms of >>> inadequate leadership and participation and addressing of issues by and >>> regarding people of color by fostering discussion and restructuring. The >>> racist "tent protest" movement responded to equivalent challenges from >>> Palestinians by telling them, "shut >>> up, leave us alone, don't divide the movement." >>> I waited to hear what the speaker (Ezra something) had to say, and it was >>> as bad as I feared. It was all about the technical issues of outreach and >>> democracy, and not one word about outreach to Palestinians or inclusion of >>> their issues. >>> When he finished I got the floor (even though there hadn't been discussion >>> time planned for that agenda point) and made some of the above points. >>> Almost as soon as I began speaking murmurs of disagreement and calls of >>> "this isn't the time" and downward "twinkling" hand motions began. One of >>> the facilitators asked the >>> speaker to respond, and he said "it's a question of outreach. I did >>> outreach to Palestinians in Israel who were leery of joining the movement. >>> You'll have to do the same in the Bronx. The issue of Palestinians in the >>> movement won't be settled here." >>> Well, yes, Mr. Zionist, it will be settled here. There is a huge >>> Palestinian exile community in the US, with that in NY being one of the >>> biggest components. They want their land back, they want their homes back, >>> and they want the right to return. They have no >>> interest in a movement which haggles over the rent paid by Jews to Jews >>> for stolen property. They can't even return to visit because of exclusionary >>> laws passed by your racist state. >>> I have been having a hell of a great time building OWS, especially its >>> labor component, and encouraging Palestinians and other Arabs to join in. >>> That will cease until there is some clarification of exactly where OWS >>> stands on these issues. >>> I can't continue to encourage Palestinians to come to OWS events for fear >>> that they might be surprised, as I was tonight, by the promotion of a racist >>> Zionist speaker. When 30,000 Bedouins are being driven out of their homes, >>> when settlers are escalating murderous attacks and destroying thousands of >>> olive trees, how can I recruit people to a movement which promotes a speaker >>> who thinks this is all irrelevant? >>> I don't presume to know what the opinions of the rest of the leadership of >>> OWS is on this question, and I would be happy to help organize a discussion >>> -- preferably with Palestinian activists, the OWS People of Color committee, >>> and a representative group from >>> the OWS leadership -- to resolve this. >>> How can OWS promote the great revolutionary speech by Mohammed Ezzeldin on >>> Saturday and then promote this racist tonight? >>> The REAL movement OWS can learn from in the region is that of the refugees >>> in May and June who tried to reoccupy their homes in historic Palestine by >>> crossing the borders, some of whom were mercilessly gunned down. >>> Photos have begun to surface in stories about the current Palestinian >>> hunger strike in which at solidarity demonstrations for the prisoners, >>> Palestinians are holding up signs reading "Occupy Wall Street, Not >>> Palestine!" How can we let them down? >>> Until such time I will be devoting my organizing efforts to where they >>> were overwhelmingly before OWS erupted: the Palestine solidarity movement. >>> In solidarity (I hope), >>> Andy Pollack >>> Al-Awda NY: the Palestine Right to Return Coalition >>> For background and context: >>> >>> http://electronicintifada.net/blog/jalal-abukhater/what-tent-protest-really-about >>> >>> http://electronicintifada.net/content/tel-aviv-arab-spring-ignores-arabs/10374 >>> http://mrzine.monthlyreview.org/2011/ajl160811.html >>> >>> http://maxblumenthal.com/2011/08/the-exclusive-revolution-israeli-social-justice-and-the-s >>> eparation-principle/#more-2195
>>> >> >>
Can we have a teach in in front of UN? The NYU speak out was successful. Perhaps a UN speak out will also be just as successful to bring attention to the failed policies. On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 7:06 AM, Amin Husain <amin.husain@gmail.com> wrote: > I am happy to help with a teach-in. > > On Oct 12, 2011, at 3:49 AM, Layan Fuleihan <lsfuleihan@gmail.com> wrote: > > I agree wholeheartedly. As an arab-american with Palestinian roots, I've > been encouraged by the amount of support and inclusion so far in the square. > This is definitely not something I'm used to seeing, and it is really > heartwarming and encouraging. There are of course differences of opinion, > and while I personally do not see any reason at all to support a zionist > political agenda, I will respect the right of anyone involved with OWS to > have their own opinions regarding this issue. > However, there is a difference between having personal opinions and being > afraid to hear all sides. What it sounds like happened (and I wasn't there, > so I apologize if this is inaccurate) is, with the downward finger signs and > general disapproval, and unwillingness to face an uncomfortable truth. If > this isn't then time, then when? > OWS is not about being comfortable. Isn't this supposed to be a place where > voices that are usually oppressed to finally be heard? If anyone has any > critique about anything that goes on in the square, it must be fairly > considered. The specific context of the J-14 protests is specifically > concerning: yes, the J-14 protests might have been similar to ours in form > and style and subject, but the real housing crisis in Israel happened half a > century ago with the mass expulsion of Palestinians from their homes and > continues today with settlement expansion and an institutionalized policy of > racism and apartheid. These are facts that are, at this point, impossible > to ignore and undeniable, there is more than enough human and material > evidence so that this becomes larger than politics, it is an issue of basic > human rights. To speak of the J14 protests without at least acknowledging > this reality goes against what I understand is one of the main central > productive abilities of OWS that gives it such credibility: a drive to > unmask the forms of oppression the national and global system currently > creates. Further, it is our responsibility to face these facts: the > disproportionately large U.S. financial and political support of Israel > makes this issue urgently relevant to our protests. > I second Andy's suggestion for a teach in and discussion between different > groups to start coming to an understanding on this topic. I truly believe > that OWS is the space for this sort of productive discussion to happen, I've > seen it happen, and I'm very optimistic that it can occur again. > Thanks, > Layan > > On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 9:41 PM, acpollack2@juno.com <acpollack2@juno.com> > wrote: >> >> >> Tonight (Tuesday) was the first Occupy Wall Street outreach training. I >> was shocked to hear that the first speaker after the introduction would be >> an activist from the Israeli "tent protests," the racist movement which was
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
fighting for cheaper rents and mortgages for stolen homes on stolen land. OWS has responded to criticisms of inadequate leadership and participation and addressing of issues by and regarding people of color by fostering discussion and restructuring. The racist "tent protest" movement responded to equivalent challenges from Palestinians by telling them, "shut up, leave us alone, don't divide the movement." I waited to hear what the speaker (Ezra something) had to say, and it was as bad as I feared. It was all about the technical issues of outreach and democracy, and not one word about outreach to Palestinians or inclusion of their issues. When he finished I got the floor (even though there hadn't been discussion time planned for that agenda point) and made some of the above points. Almost as soon as I began speaking murmurs of disagreement and calls of "this isn't the time" and downward "twinkling" hand motions began. One of the facilitators asked the speaker to respond, and he said "it's a question of outreach. I did outreach to Palestinians in Israel who were leery of joining the movement. You'll have to do the same in the Bronx. The issue of Palestinians in the movement won't be settled here." Well, yes, Mr. Zionist, it will be settled here. There is a huge Palestinian exile community in the US, with that in NY being one of the biggest components. They want their land back, they want their homes back, and they want the right to return. They have no interest in a movement which haggles over the rent paid by Jews to Jews for stolen property. They can't even return to visit because of exclusionary laws passed by your racist state. I have been having a hell of a great time building OWS, especially its labor component, and encouraging Palestinians and other Arabs to join in. That will cease until there is some clarification of exactly where OWS stands on these issues. I can't continue to encourage Palestinians to come to OWS events for fear that they might be surprised, as I was tonight, by the promotion of a racist Zionist speaker. When 30,000 Bedouins are being driven out of their homes, when settlers are escalating murderous attacks and destroying thousands of olive trees, how can I recruit people to a movement which promotes a speaker who thinks this is all irrelevant? I don't presume to know what the opinions of the rest of the leadership of OWS is on this question, and I would be happy to help organize a discussion -- preferably with Palestinian activists, the OWS People of Color committee, and a representative group from the OWS leadership -- to resolve this. How can OWS promote the great revolutionary speech by Mohammed Ezzeldin on Saturday and then promote this racist tonight? The REAL movement OWS can learn from in the region is that of the refugees in May and June who tried to reoccupy their homes in historic Palestine by crossing the borders, some of whom were mercilessly gunned down. Photos have begun to surface in stories about the current Palestinian hunger strike in which at solidarity demonstrations for the prisoners, Palestinians are holding up signs reading "Occupy Wall Street, Not Palestine!" How can we let them down? Until such time I will be devoting my organizing efforts to where they were overwhelmingly before OWS erupted: the Palestine solidarity movement. In solidarity (I hope), Andy Pollack Al-Awda NY: the Palestine Right to Return Coalition For background and context: http://electronicintifada.net/blog/jalal-abukhater/what-tent-protest-really-about
>> >> >> >> >> >> > >
http://electronicintifada.net/content/tel-aviv-arab-spring-ignores-arabs/10374 http://mrzine.monthlyreview.org/2011/ajl160811.html http://maxblumenthal.com/2011/08/the-exclusive-revolution-israeli-social-justice-and-the-s eparation-principle/#more-2195
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Amin Husain september17@googlegroups.com september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Zionist speaker at OWS outreach training Wednesday, October 12, 2011 7:09:30 AM
I am happy to help with a teach-in. On Oct 12, 2011, at 3:49 AM, Layan Fuleihan <lsfuleihan@gmail.com> wrote: I agree wholeheartedly. As an arab-american with Palestinian roots, I've been encouraged by the amount of support and inclusion so far in the square. This is definitely not something I'm used to seeing, and it is really heartwarming and encouraging. There are of course differences of opinion, and while I personally do not see any reason at all to support a zionist political agenda, I will respect the right of anyone involved with OWS to have their own opinions regarding this issue. However, there is a difference between having personal opinions and being afraid to hear all sides. What it sounds like happened (and I wasn't there, so I apologize if this is inaccurate) is, with the downward finger signs and general disapproval, and unwillingness to face an uncomfortable truth. If this isn't then time, then when? OWS is not about being comfortable. Isn't this supposed to be a place where voices that are usually oppressed to finally be heard? If anyone has any critique about anything that goes on in the square, it must be fairly considered. The specific context of the J-14 protests is specifically concerning: yes, the J-14 protests might have been similar to ours in form and style and subject, but the real housing crisis in Israel happened half a century ago with the mass expulsion of Palestinians from their homes and continues today with settlement expansion and an institutionalized policy of racism and apartheid. These are facts that are, at this point, impossible to ignore and undeniable, there is more than enough human and material evidence so that this becomes larger than politics, it is an issue of basic human rights. To speak of the J14 protests without at least acknowledging this reality goes against what I understand is one of the main central productive abilities of OWS that gives it such credibility: a drive to unmask the forms of oppression the national and global system currently creates. Further, it is our responsibility to face these facts: the disproportionately large U.S. financial and political support of Israel makes this issue urgently relevant to our protests. I second Andy's suggestion for a teach in and discussion between different groups to start coming to an understanding on this topic. I truly believe that OWS is the space for this sort of productive discussion to happen, I've seen it happen, and I'm very optimistic that it can occur again. Thanks, Layan
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 9:41 PM, acpollack2@juno.com <acpollack2@juno.com> wrote: Tonight (Tuesday) was the first Occupy Wall Street outreach training. I was shocked to hear that the first speaker after the introduction would be an activist from the Israeli "tent protests," the racist movement which was fighting for cheaper rents and mortgages for stolen homes on stolen land. OWS has responded to criticisms of inadequate leadership and participation and addressing of issues by and regarding people of color by fostering discussion and restructuring. The racist "tent protest" movement responded to equivalent challenges from Palestinians by telling them, "shut up, leave us alone, don't divide the movement." I waited to hear what the speaker (Ezra something) had to say, and it was as bad as I feared. It was all about the technical issues of outreach and democracy, and not one word about outreach to Palestinians or inclusion of their issues. When he finished I got the floor (even though there hadn't been discussion time planned for that agenda point) and made some of the above points. Almost as soon as I began speaking murmurs of disagreement and calls of "this isn't the time" and downward "twinkling" hand motions began. One of the facilitators asked the speaker to respond, and he said "it's a question of outreach. I did outreach to Palestinians in Israel who were leery of joining the movement. You'll have to do the same in the Bronx. The issue of Palestinians in the movement won't be settled here." Well, yes, Mr. Zionist, it will be settled here. There is a huge Palestinian exile community in the US, with that in NY being one of the biggest components. They want their land back, they want their homes back, and they want the right to return. They have no interest in a movement which haggles over the rent paid by Jews to Jews for stolen property. They can't even return to visit because of exclusionary laws passed by your racist state. I have been having a hell of a great time building OWS, especially its labor component, and encouraging Palestinians and other Arabs to join in. That will cease until there is some clarification of exactly where OWS stands on these issues. I can't continue to encourage Palestinians to come to OWS events for fear that they might be surprised, as I was tonight, by the promotion of a racist Zionist speaker. When 30,000 Bedouins are being driven out of their homes, when settlers are escalating murderous attacks and destroying thousands of olive trees, how can I recruit people to a movement which promotes a speaker who thinks this is all irrelevant? I don't presume to know what the opinions of the rest of the leadership of OWS is on this question, and I would be happy to help organize a discussion -- preferably with Palestinian activists, the OWS People of Color committee, and a representative group from the OWS leadership -- to resolve this. How can OWS promote the great revolutionary speech by Mohammed Ezzeldin on Saturday and then promote this racist tonight?
The REAL movement OWS can learn from in the region is that of the refugees in May and June who tried to reoccupy their homes in historic Palestine by crossing the borders, some of whom were mercilessly gunned down. Photos have begun to surface in stories about the current Palestinian hunger strike in which at solidarity demonstrations for the prisoners, Palestinians are holding up signs reading "Occupy Wall Street, Not Palestine!" How can we let them down? Until such time I will be devoting my organizing efforts to where they were overwhelmingly before OWS erupted: the Palestine solidarity movement. In solidarity (I hope), Andy Pollack Al-Awda NY: the Palestine Right to Return Coalition For background and context: http://electronicintifada.net/blog/jalal-abukhater/what-tent-protestreally-about http://electronicintifada.net/content/tel-aviv-arab-spring-ignoresarabs/10374 http://mrzine.monthlyreview.org/2011/ajl160811.html http://maxblumenthal.com/2011/08/the-exclusive-revolution-israelisocial-justice-and-the-s eparation-principle/#more-2195
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Layan Fuleihan september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Zionist speaker at OWS outreach training Wednesday, October 12, 2011 3:49:52 AM
I agree wholeheartedly. As an arab-american with Palestinian roots, I've been encouraged by the amount of support and inclusion so far in the square. This is definitely not something I'm used to seeing, and it is really heartwarming and encouraging. There are of course differences of opinion, and while I personally do not see any reason at all to support a zionist political agenda, I will respect the right of anyone involved with OWS to have their own opinions regarding this issue. However, there is a difference between having personal opinions and being afraid to hear all sides. What it sounds like happened (and I wasn't there, so I apologize if this is inaccurate) is, with the downward finger signs and general disapproval, and unwillingness to face an uncomfortable truth. If this isn't then time, then when? OWS is not about being comfortable. Isn't this supposed to be a place where voices that are usually oppressed to finally be heard? If anyone has any critique about anything that goes on in the square, it must be fairly considered. The specific context of the J-14 protests is specifically concerning: yes, the J-14 protests might have been similar to ours in form and style and subject, but the real housing crisis in Israel happened half a century ago with the mass expulsion of Palestinians from their homes and continues today with settlement expansion and an institutionalized policy of racism and apartheid. These are facts that are, at this point, impossible to ignore and undeniable, there is more than enough human and material evidence so that this becomes larger than politics, it is an issue of basic human rights. To speak of the J14 protests without at least acknowledging this reality goes against what I understand is one of the main central productive abilities of OWS that gives it such credibility: a drive to unmask the forms of oppression the national and global system currently creates. Further, it is our responsibility to face these facts: the disproportionately large U.S. financial and political support of Israel makes this issue urgently relevant to our protests. I second Andy's suggestion for a teach in and discussion between different groups to start coming to an understanding on this topic. I truly believe that OWS is the space for this sort of productive discussion to happen, I've seen it happen, and I'm very optimistic that it can occur again. Thanks, Layan On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 9:41 PM, acpollack2@juno.com <acpollack2@juno.com> wrote: Tonight (Tuesday) was the first Occupy Wall Street outreach training. I was shocked to hear that the first speaker after the introduction would be an activist from the Israeli "tent protests," the racist movement which was fighting for cheaper rents and mortgages for stolen homes on stolen land. OWS has responded to criticisms of inadequate leadership and participation and addressing of issues by and regarding
people of color by fostering discussion and restructuring. The racist "tent protest" movement responded to equivalent challenges from Palestinians by telling them, "shut up, leave us alone, don't divide the movement." I waited to hear what the speaker (Ezra something) had to say, and it was as bad as I feared. It was all about the technical issues of outreach and democracy, and not one word about outreach to Palestinians or inclusion of their issues. When he finished I got the floor (even though there hadn't been discussion time planned for that agenda point) and made some of the above points. Almost as soon as I began speaking murmurs of disagreement and calls of "this isn't the time" and downward "twinkling" hand motions began. One of the facilitators asked the speaker to respond, and he said "it's a question of outreach. I did outreach to Palestinians in Israel who were leery of joining the movement. You'll have to do the same in the Bronx. The issue of Palestinians in the movement won't be settled here." Well, yes, Mr. Zionist, it will be settled here. There is a huge Palestinian exile community in the US, with that in NY being one of the biggest components. They want their land back, they want their homes back, and they want the right to return. They have no interest in a movement which haggles over the rent paid by Jews to Jews for stolen property. They can't even return to visit because of exclusionary laws passed by your racist state. I have been having a hell of a great time building OWS, especially its labor component, and encouraging Palestinians and other Arabs to join in. That will cease until there is some clarification of exactly where OWS stands on these issues. I can't continue to encourage Palestinians to come to OWS events for fear that they might be surprised, as I was tonight, by the promotion of a racist Zionist speaker. When 30,000 Bedouins are being driven out of their homes, when settlers are escalating murderous attacks and destroying thousands of olive trees, how can I recruit people to a movement which promotes a speaker who thinks this is all irrelevant? I don't presume to know what the opinions of the rest of the leadership of OWS is on this question, and I would be happy to help organize a discussion -- preferably with Palestinian activists, the OWS People of Color committee, and a representative group from the OWS leadership -- to resolve this. How can OWS promote the great revolutionary speech by Mohammed Ezzeldin on Saturday and then promote this racist tonight? The REAL movement OWS can learn from in the region is that of the refugees in May and June who tried to reoccupy their homes in historic Palestine by crossing the borders, some of whom were mercilessly gunned down. Photos have begun to surface in stories about the current Palestinian hunger strike in which at solidarity demonstrations for the prisoners, Palestinians are holding up signs reading "Occupy Wall Street, Not Palestine!" How can we let them down? Until such time I will be devoting my organizing efforts to where they were overwhelmingly before OWS erupted: the Palestine solidarity movement. In solidarity (I hope), Andy Pollack Al-Awda NY: the Palestine Right to Return Coalition For background and context: http://electronicintifada.net/blog/jalal-abukhater/what-tent-protest-really-about
http://electronicintifada.net/content/tel-aviv-arab-spring-ignores-arabs/10374 http://mrzine.monthlyreview.org/2011/ajl160811.html http://maxblumenthal.com/2011/08/the-exclusive-revolution-israeli-social-justiceand-the-s eparation-principle/#more-2195
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of gail zawacki september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Zionist speaker at OWS outreach training Wednesday, October 12, 2011 8:43:31 AM
Any acknowledgment of US military oppression and the "war on terror" as well as the stranglehold that corporations have on politics and the economy should include the primary motivation, the largest - by far most profitable - industry in the world, which is the extraction of fossil fuels. Dependence on oil (enforced by multi-national corporate interests) is the most perniciously destructive aspect of modern society. We've already taken all the easily available oil and now have turned to more exotic, desperate and dangerous methods of obtaining non-renewable, dirty energy, including deep water drilling (Gulf oil spill? ), nuclear (Fukushima anyone?), and destroying entire regional ecosystems through mountaintop removal for coal, "natural" gas fracking, and tar sands. The 99% are going to have no economy to recover if we continue to poison the planet. The entire Mideast is going to become literally uninhabitable as the climate heats up, and all this squabbling over the scraps will have been a waste of time. Focus on the real enemy. Exxon, BP, the Koch brothers, Massey Energy...the list is long. On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 8:12 AM, Matthew Presto <matthew.presto@gmail.com> wrote: A couple hundred representatives from Students for Justice in Palestine are coming to New York this weekend. There's talk of them coming to the occupation on Sunday afternoon. On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 7:35 AM, Amin Husain <amin.husain@gmail.com> wrote: Andy and Layan - What do you think is needed to make things better? On Oct 12, 2011, at 7:32 AM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote: > Can we have a teach in in front of UN? The NYU speak out was > successful. Perhaps a UN speak out will also be just as successful to > bring attention to the failed policies. > > On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 7:06 AM, Amin Husain <amin.husain@gmail.com> wrote: >> I am happy to help with a teach-in. >> >> On Oct 12, 2011, at 3:49 AM, Layan Fuleihan <lsfuleihan@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I agree wholeheartedly. As an arab-american with Palestinian roots, I've >> been encouraged by the amount of support and inclusion so far in the square. >> This is definitely not something I'm used to seeing, and it is really >> heartwarming and encouraging. There are of course differences of opinion,
>> and while I personally do not see any reason at all to support a zionist >> political agenda, I will respect the right of anyone involved with OWS to >> have their own opinions regarding this issue. >> However, there is a difference between having personal opinions and being >> afraid to hear all sides. What it sounds like happened (and I wasn't there, >> so I apologize if this is inaccurate) is, with the downward finger signs and >> general disapproval, and unwillingness to face an uncomfortable truth. If >> this isn't then time, then when? >> OWS is not about being comfortable. Isn't this supposed to be a place where >> voices that are usually oppressed to finally be heard? If anyone has any >> critique about anything that goes on in the square, it must be fairly >> considered. The specific context of the J-14 protests is specifically >> concerning: yes, the J-14 protests might have been similar to ours in form >> and style and subject, but the real housing crisis in Israel happened half a >> century ago with the mass expulsion of Palestinians from their homes and >> continues today with settlement expansion and an institutionalized policy of >> racism and apartheid. These are facts that are, at this point, impossible >> to ignore and undeniable, there is more than enough human and material >> evidence so that this becomes larger than politics, it is an issue of basic >> human rights. To speak of the J14 protests without at least acknowledging >> this reality goes against what I understand is one of the main central >> productive abilities of OWS that gives it such credibility: a drive to >> unmask the forms of oppression the national and global system currently >> creates. Further, it is our responsibility to face these facts: the >> disproportionately large U.S. financial and political support of Israel >> makes this issue urgently relevant to our protests. >> I second Andy's suggestion for a teach in and discussion between different >> groups to start coming to an understanding on this topic. I truly believe >> that OWS is the space for this sort of productive discussion to happen, I've >> seen it happen, and I'm very optimistic that it can occur again. >> Thanks, >> Layan >> >> On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 9:41 PM, acpollack2@juno.com <acpollack2@juno.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Tonight (Tuesday) was the first Occupy Wall Street outreach training. I >>> was shocked to hear that the first speaker after the introduction would be >>> an activist from the Israeli "tent protests," the racist movement which was >>> fighting for cheaper rents and mortgages for stolen homes on stolen land. >>> OWS has responded to criticisms of >>> inadequate leadership and participation and addressing of issues by and >>> regarding people of color by fostering discussion and restructuring. The >>> racist "tent protest" movement responded to equivalent challenges from >>> Palestinians by telling them, "shut >>> up, leave us alone, don't divide the movement." >>> I waited to hear what the speaker (Ezra something) had to say, and it was >>> as bad as I feared. It was all about the technical issues of outreach and >>> democracy, and not one word about outreach to Palestinians or inclusion of
>>> their issues. >>> When he finished I got the floor (even though there hadn't been discussion >>> time planned for that agenda point) and made some of the above points. >>> Almost as soon as I began speaking murmurs of disagreement and calls of >>> "this isn't the time" and downward "twinkling" hand motions began. One of >>> the facilitators asked the >>> speaker to respond, and he said "it's a question of outreach. I did >>> outreach to Palestinians in Israel who were leery of joining the movement. >>> You'll have to do the same in the Bronx. The issue of Palestinians in the >>> movement won't be settled here." >>> Well, yes, Mr. Zionist, it will be settled here. There is a huge >>> Palestinian exile community in the US, with that in NY being one of the >>> biggest components. They want their land back, they want their homes back, >>> and they want the right to return. They have no >>> interest in a movement which haggles over the rent paid by Jews to Jews >>> for stolen property. They can't even return to visit because of exclusionary >>> laws passed by your racist state. >>> I have been having a hell of a great time building OWS, especially its >>> labor component, and encouraging Palestinians and other Arabs to join in. >>> That will cease until there is some clarification of exactly where OWS >>> stands on these issues. >>> I can't continue to encourage Palestinians to come to OWS events for fear >>> that they might be surprised, as I was tonight, by the promotion of a racist >>> Zionist speaker. When 30,000 Bedouins are being driven out of their homes, >>> when settlers are escalating murderous attacks and destroying thousands of >>> olive trees, how can I recruit people to a movement which promotes a speaker >>> who thinks this is all irrelevant? >>> I don't presume to know what the opinions of the rest of the leadership of >>> OWS is on this question, and I would be happy to help organize a discussion >>> -- preferably with Palestinian activists, the OWS People of Color committee, >>> and a representative group from >>> the OWS leadership -- to resolve this. >>> How can OWS promote the great revolutionary speech by Mohammed Ezzeldin on >>> Saturday and then promote this racist tonight? >>> The REAL movement OWS can learn from in the region is that of the refugees >>> in May and June who tried to reoccupy their homes in historic Palestine by >>> crossing the borders, some of whom were mercilessly gunned down. >>> Photos have begun to surface in stories about the current Palestinian >>> hunger strike in which at solidarity demonstrations for the prisoners, >>> Palestinians are holding up signs reading "Occupy Wall Street, Not >>> Palestine!" How can we let them down? >>> Until such time I will be devoting my organizing efforts to where they >>> were overwhelmingly before OWS erupted: the Palestine solidarity movement. >>> In solidarity (I hope), >>> Andy Pollack
>>> Al-Awda NY: the Palestine Right to Return Coalition >>> For background and context: >>> >>> http://electronicintifada.net/blog/jalal-abukhater/what-tent-protest-reallyabout >>> >>> http://electronicintifada.net/content/tel-aviv-arab-spring-ignoresarabs/10374 >>> http://mrzine.monthlyreview.org/2011/ajl160811.html >>> >>> http://maxblumenthal.com/2011/08/the-exclusive-revolution-israeli-socialjustice-and-the-s >>> eparation-principle/#more-2195 >>> >> >>
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Martin Kaminer september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Zionist speaker at OWS outreach training Wednesday, October 12, 2011 10:02:46 AM
I'm not clear on the connection between unquenchable thirst for oil and unshakable support for Israel -- those would seem to work at cross-purposes, no? On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 8:43 AM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: Any acknowledgment of US military oppression and the "war on terror" as well as the stranglehold that corporations have on politics and the economy should include the primary motivation, the largest - by far most profitable - industry in the world, which is the extraction of fossil fuels. Dependence on oil (enforced by multi-national corporate interests) is the most perniciously destructive aspect of modern society. We've already taken all the easily available oil and now have turned to more exotic, desperate and dangerous methods of obtaining non-renewable, dirty energy, including deep water drilling (Gulf oil spill?), nuclear (Fukushima anyone?), and destroying entire regional ecosystems through mountaintop removal for coal, "natural" gas fracking, and tar sands. The 99% are going to have no economy to recover if we continue to poison the planet. The entire Mideast is going to become literally uninhabitable as the climate heats up, and all this squabbling over the scraps will have been a waste of time. Focus on the real enemy. Exxon, BP, the Koch brothers, Massey Energy...the list is long. On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 8:12 AM, Matthew Presto <matthew.presto@gmail.com> wrote: A couple hundred representatives from Students for Justice in Palestine are coming to New York this weekend. There's talk of them coming to the occupation on Sunday afternoon. On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 7:35 AM, Amin Husain <amin.husain@gmail.com> wrote: Andy and Layan - What do you think is needed to make things better? On Oct 12, 2011, at 7:32 AM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote: > Can we have a teach in in front of UN? The NYU speak out was > successful. Perhaps a UN speak out will also be just as successful to > bring attention to the failed policies. > > On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 7:06 AM, Amin Husain <amin.husain@gmail.com> wrote: >> I am happy to help with a teach-in. >> >> On Oct 12, 2011, at 3:49 AM, Layan Fuleihan <lsfuleihan@gmail.com>
wrote: >> >> I agree wholeheartedly. As an arab-american with Palestinian roots, I've >> been encouraged by the amount of support and inclusion so far in the square. >> This is definitely not something I'm used to seeing, and it is really >> heartwarming and encouraging. There are of course differences of opinion, >> and while I personally do not see any reason at all to support a zionist >> political agenda, I will respect the right of anyone involved with OWS to >> have their own opinions regarding this issue. >> However, there is a difference between having personal opinions and being >> afraid to hear all sides. What it sounds like happened (and I wasn't there, >> so I apologize if this is inaccurate) is, with the downward finger signs and >> general disapproval, and unwillingness to face an uncomfortable truth. If >> this isn't then time, then when? >> OWS is not about being comfortable. Isn't this supposed to be a place where >> voices that are usually oppressed to finally be heard? If anyone has any >> critique about anything that goes on in the square, it must be fairly >> considered. The specific context of the J-14 protests is specifically >> concerning: yes, the J-14 protests might have been similar to ours in form >> and style and subject, but the real housing crisis in Israel happened half a >> century ago with the mass expulsion of Palestinians from their homes and >> continues today with settlement expansion and an institutionalized policy of >> racism and apartheid. These are facts that are, at this point, impossible >> to ignore and undeniable, there is more than enough human and material >> evidence so that this becomes larger than politics, it is an issue of basic >> human rights. To speak of the J14 protests without at least acknowledging >> this reality goes against what I understand is one of the main central >> productive abilities of OWS that gives it such credibility: a drive to >> unmask the forms of oppression the national and global system currently >> creates. Further, it is our responsibility to face these facts: the >> disproportionately large U.S. financial and political support of Israel >> makes this issue urgently relevant to our protests. >> I second Andy's suggestion for a teach in and discussion between different >> groups to start coming to an understanding on this topic. I truly believe >> that OWS is the space for this sort of productive discussion to happen, I've >> seen it happen, and I'm very optimistic that it can occur again. >> Thanks, >> Layan >> >> On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 9:41 PM, acpollack2@juno.com <acpollack2@juno.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Tonight (Tuesday) was the first Occupy Wall Street outreach training. I >>> was shocked to hear that the first speaker after the introduction would be
>>> an activist from the Israeli "tent protests," the racist movement which was >>> fighting for cheaper rents and mortgages for stolen homes on stolen land. >>> OWS has responded to criticisms of >>> inadequate leadership and participation and addressing of issues by and >>> regarding people of color by fostering discussion and restructuring. The >>> racist "tent protest" movement responded to equivalent challenges from >>> Palestinians by telling them, "shut >>> up, leave us alone, don't divide the movement." >>> I waited to hear what the speaker (Ezra something) had to say, and it was >>> as bad as I feared. It was all about the technical issues of outreach and >>> democracy, and not one word about outreach to Palestinians or inclusion of >>> their issues. >>> When he finished I got the floor (even though there hadn't been discussion >>> time planned for that agenda point) and made some of the above points. >>> Almost as soon as I began speaking murmurs of disagreement and calls of >>> "this isn't the time" and downward "twinkling" hand motions began. One of >>> the facilitators asked the >>> speaker to respond, and he said "it's a question of outreach. I did >>> outreach to Palestinians in Israel who were leery of joining the movement. >>> You'll have to do the same in the Bronx. The issue of Palestinians in the >>> movement won't be settled here." >>> Well, yes, Mr. Zionist, it will be settled here. There is a huge >>> Palestinian exile community in the US, with that in NY being one of the >>> biggest components. They want their land back, they want their homes back, >>> and they want the right to return. They have no >>> interest in a movement which haggles over the rent paid by Jews to Jews >>> for stolen property. They can't even return to visit because of exclusionary >>> laws passed by your racist state. >>> I have been having a hell of a great time building OWS, especially its >>> labor component, and encouraging Palestinians and other Arabs to join in. >>> That will cease until there is some clarification of exactly where OWS >>> stands on these issues. >>> I can't continue to encourage Palestinians to come to OWS events for fear >>> that they might be surprised, as I was tonight, by the promotion of a racist >>> Zionist speaker. When 30,000 Bedouins are being driven out of their homes, >>> when settlers are escalating murderous attacks and destroying thousands of >>> olive trees, how can I recruit people to a movement which promotes a
speaker >>> who thinks this is all irrelevant? >>> I don't presume to know what the opinions of the rest of the leadership of >>> OWS is on this question, and I would be happy to help organize a discussion >>> -- preferably with Palestinian activists, the OWS People of Color committee, >>> and a representative group from >>> the OWS leadership -- to resolve this. >>> How can OWS promote the great revolutionary speech by Mohammed Ezzeldin on >>> Saturday and then promote this racist tonight? >>> The REAL movement OWS can learn from in the region is that of the refugees >>> in May and June who tried to reoccupy their homes in historic Palestine by >>> crossing the borders, some of whom were mercilessly gunned down. >>> Photos have begun to surface in stories about the current Palestinian >>> hunger strike in which at solidarity demonstrations for the prisoners, >>> Palestinians are holding up signs reading "Occupy Wall Street, Not >>> Palestine!" How can we let them down? >>> Until such time I will be devoting my organizing efforts to where they >>> were overwhelmingly before OWS erupted: the Palestine solidarity movement. >>> In solidarity (I hope), >>> Andy Pollack >>> Al-Awda NY: the Palestine Right to Return Coalition >>> For background and context: >>> >>> http://electronicintifada.net/blog/jalal-abukhater/what-tent-protest-reallyabout >>> >>> http://electronicintifada.net/content/tel-aviv-arab-spring-ignoresarabs/10374 >>> http://mrzine.monthlyreview.org/2011/ajl160811.html >>> >>> http://maxblumenthal.com/2011/08/the-exclusive-revolution-israelisocial-justice-and-the-s >>> eparation-principle/#more-2195 >>> >> >>
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of acpollack2@juno.com september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Zionist speaker at OWS outreach training Wednesday, October 12, 2011 10:12:19 AM
Thanks so much to all who replied with such understanding, both of the issue and of its impact on our joint work! For me as an individual (and I'm sorry it wasn't made 100% clear I was speaking only on my own behalf), the matter is closed. As for the education needed on the issue, I think a teach-in would be great. I'll check with my group. And let's hope the SJP visit really happens! Thanks again to all, and see you at Liberty Plaza. Andy
Please note: message attached From: Matthew Presto <matthew.presto@gmail.com> To: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [september17discuss] Zionist speaker at OWS outreach training Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 08:12:13 -0400
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Winter Siroco september17@googlegroups.com Alexander White Plume; Medora Woods; Tiokasin Ghosthorse; Glenn Morris; Bahareh Seyedi; Roberto Borrero; Janene Yazzie; Rosalie Alfonso Re: [september17discuss] Zionist speaker at OWS outreach training Wednesday, October 12, 2011 10:15:24 AM
Cesar We are waking up from the American Nightmare. On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 12:37 PM, Tiokasin Ghosthorse <tiokasin@gmail.com> wrote:

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