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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Cesar Matthew Taibbi Yves Smith; Dylan Ratigan; Michael Hudson; WilliamBlack; David DeGraw; september17@googlegroups.com; yotam.marom@gmail.com; vlad@glassbeadcollective.com; dissector@mediachannel.org; Nomi; Michael; Mike Papantonio; MichaelKrieger; George Washington; Tyler Durden; ellenhbrown@gmail.com; Karl; Barry; Kevin Zeese; max; Matt; Simon; Zach; David CayJohnston; Bill Laggner; Paul; Noam Chomsky; BillMoyers; ggreenwald@salon.com; glen.ford@blackagendareport.com; oftwomindz@comcast.net [september17discuss] Re: OccupyWallStreet Economic Statement Draft 1 Tuesday, October 04, 2011 3:06:10 PM
I am for elaborating collective discourse, but perhaps better in terms of general GOALS rather than demands. Demads are naive at this point, to put it shoftly. This is not incompatible with strategic actions that may achieve short term victories. Due to our location I think we should provide our view of the economic facts, and prioritize our actions toward short term and long term solutions. Regarding the elaboration of collective discourse, perhaps we should try some form of open source or similar wiki-process that would facilitate multiple contributions from diverse viewpoints. Cesar Sent from phone
On Oct 4, 2011, at 10:40 AM, Matthew Taibbi <m_taibbi@yahoo.com> wrote: I disagree with the notion that there shouldn't be demands. I think there should be a few simple ones. It's not a MSM conspiracy when the press wonders what the movement wants or who is leading it. I think there are a lot of people in the press and even on Wall Street who are ready to support the movement wholeheartedly, if it could articulate some specifics. If OWS could identify a few basic problems -- over-concentration of capital, regulatory capture, overweening influence of money on politics, excess financialization of the economy, tax unfairness, etc -- and propose some first-step solutions to all of those things (break up the banks, force bailout recipients to give up lobbying, end the carried interest and capital gains exemptions as Michael points out, etc), you'd have more allies, you'd be educating the public about a subject that it has a tough time getting real information about through normal media, and it would prevent the other side of the debate from being able to define the movement in their own (inevitably unflattering) terms. The only thing preventing millions of people from going out onto the streets on their own is that they don't understand how Wall Street works or what it does. That to me is why the movement needs to be specific. It has a responsibility to explain these problems to the general public and to show that solutions do exist and that they're attainable. People I think need more than just the knowledge that they can protest -- they need to believe that they can fix things and that someone out there has the answers. And a lot of the people on this email list do have the answers
and could provide that leadership that is so desperately needed.
--- On Tue, 10/4/11, Dylan Ratigan <dylanratigan@gmail.com> wrote: From: Dylan Ratigan <dylanratigan@gmail.com> Subject: Re: OccupyWallStreet Economic Statement Draft 1 To: "Yves Smith" <yves@nakedcapitalism.com> Cc: "Michael Hudson" <michael.hudson@earthlink.net>, "Black, William" <blackw@umkc.edu>, "David DeGraw" <AmpedStatus@ampedstatus.com>, "september17@googlegroups.com" <september17@googlegroups.com>, "yotam.marom@gmail.com" <yotam.marom@gmail.com>, "Winter Siroco" <wintersiroco@gmail.com>, "vlad@glassbeadcollective.com" <vlad@glassbeadcollective.com>, "dissector@mediachannel.org" <dissector@mediachannel.org>, "Nomi" <nomi@nomiprins.com>, "Michael" <mh@michael-hudson.com>, "Mike Papantonio" <MPapantonio@levinlaw.com>, "Michael Krieger" <michael@kamlp.com>, "George Washington" <georgewashington.911blogger@gmail.com>, "Tyler Durden" <tyler@zerohedge.org>, "ellenhbrown@gmail.com" <ellenhbrown@gmail.com>, "Karl" <karl@denninger.net>, "Barry" <thebigpicture@optonline.net>, "Kevin Zeese" <kbzeese@gmail.com>, "max" <maxkeiser@gmail.com>, "Matt" <M_TAIBBI@yahoo.com>, "Simon" <baselinescenario@gmail.com>, "Zach" <carter.zach@gmail.com>, "David Cay Johnston" <dcjohn01@law.syr.edu>, "Bill Laggner" <laggner@bearingasset.com>, "Paul" <paulcraigroberts@yahoo.com>, "Noam Chomsky" <chomsky@mit.edu>, "Moyers, Bill" <moyersb@moyersmedia.com>, "ggreenwald@salon.com" <ggreenwald@salon.com>, "glen.ford@blackagendareport.com" <glen.ford@blackagendareport.com>, "oftwomindz@comcast.net" <oftwomindz@comcast.net> Date: Tuesday, October 4, 2011, 9:17 AM I agree with Yves entirely. The focus on simple shared principle and intent to align with all who agree with that principle is a unique strength. Learning, teaching and growing. On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 4:11 AM, Yves Smith <yves@nakedcapitalism.com> wrote: I disagree strongly with the idea of any demands now. The number participating are far too small for the effort to have any bargaining leverage or to be perceived to represent anyone.
What is hugely disconcerting to the MSM and the officialdom is the lack of demands and the lack of easy to identify leadership These need to be understood as strengths, not weaknesses. The labor union movement was over time completely discredited because the leadership was quickly corrupted and sold out the membership. The "We are the 99%" is a VERY powerful message. It basically says "We don't need to negotiate. This is our country and we want it back from the top 1% which has been selling us out." The 1% know damned well what the 99% want. If you forced any 10 in the top 1% of them to make a list of 10 things they thought the other 99% wanted, I guarantee you'd have no more than 16 real issues (at most) among the 100 answers you'd get in total. And I strongly suspect the 99% would agree or at most restate them. They are MUCH better off making a general statement along the "We Are 99%" that holds their ground, and makes clear that their first priority is establishing their presence, building a critical mass and representation around the US. There should be a clever way of throwing the demand for demands back on the media: "It has taken years to create this mess, the public has been sold on the idea that it is powerless. Our first aim is to convey that the bottom 99% doesn't merely have the right to a seat at the table, it should not have to negotiate with the top 1% because the elites depend on our acquiescence and support for their very survival." There has to be a nice way to say that, but I would brush off the demand and make it clear that organization/membership building and (I hate to use that tired 60s term, but it fits) consciousness raising are the first priorities. The more the numbers swell, the more power this effort has. Issuing demands is not on the critical path right now and has the potential to deter people from joining. The broader public understands damned well what the aims are even if the elites and their media lapdogs are playing stupid. On Oct 3, 2011, at 3:54 PM, Michael Hudson wrote: > I suggest putting a specific POLICY DEMAND. > How about "Bankruptcy legislation to free people without jobs from > student loan debt." > Or more accurately: "Tax capital gains as high as wages." > "Remove the tax deductibility of debt." > "A Public Option for Credit Cards -- lower the rates and penalties." > Michael Hudson > >
> On 10/3/11 3:37 PM, "Black, William" <blackw@umkc.edu> wrote: > >> I would recommend adding/substituting something along these lines. If we're >> going to raise the subject of "fraud" we need to give some of the supporting >> facts. >> >> The systemically dangerous institutions (SDIs) are inaccurately called "too >> big to fail" banks. The administration calls them "systemically important," >> and acts as if they deserve a gold star. The ugly truth, however, is what >> Wall Street and each administration screams when the SDIs get in trouble. >> They warn us that if a single SDI fails it will cause a global financial >> crisis. There are roughly 20 U.S. SDIs and about the same number abroad. >> That means that we roll the dice 40 times a day to see which SDI will blow up >> next and drag the world economy into crisis. Economists agree that the SDIs >> are so large that they are grotesquely inefficient. In "good times," >> therefore, they harm our economy. It is insane not to shrink the SDIs to the >> point that they no longer hold the global economy hostage. The ability -- and >> willingness -- of the CEOs that control SDIs to hold our economy hostage makes >> the SDIs too big to regulate and prosecute. It also allows them to extort, >> dominate, and degrade our democracies. The SDIs pose a clear and present >> danger to the U.S. and the world. >> >> It takes a global effort against the SDIs because they constantly put nations >> in competition with each other in order to generate a "race to the bottom." >> We are always being warned that if the U.S. adopts even minimal regulation of >> its SDIs they will flee to the City of London or be unable to compete with >> Germany's "universal" banks. The result of the race to the bottom, however, >> as Ireland, Iceland, the UK, and U.S. all experienced is that we create >> intensely criminogenic environment that creates epidemics of "control fraud."
>> Control fraud -- frauds led by CEOs who use seemingly legitimate entities as >> "weapons" to defraud -- cause greater financial losses than all other forms of >> property crime -- combined. Because of the political power of the SDIs and >> the destruction of effective regulation these fraudulent SDIs now commit >> endemic fraud with impunity. >> >> Effective financial regulation is essential if markets are to work. >> Regulators have to serve as the "cops on the beat" to keep the fraudsters from >> gaining a competitive advantage over honest firms. George Akerlof, the >> economist who identified and labeled this perverse ("Gresham's") dynamic was >> awarded the Nobel Prize in 2001 for his insight about how control fraud makes >> market forces perverse. >> >> [D]ishonest dealings tend to drive honest dealings out of the market. The >> cost of dishonesty, therefore, lies not only in the amount by which the >> purchaser is cheated; the cost also must include the loss incurred from >> driving legitimate business out of existence. George Akerlof (1970). >> >> One of the most perceptive observers of humanity recognized this same dynamic >> two centuries before Akerlof. >> >> "The Lilliputians look upon fraud as a greater crime than theft. For, they >> allege, care and vigilance, with a very common understanding, can protect a >> mans goods from thieves, but honesty hath no fence against superior cunning. >> . . where fraud is permitted or connived at, or hath no law to punish it, the >> honest dealer is always undone, and the knave gets the advantage." Swift, J. >> Gullivers Travels >> >> We are the allies of honest banks and bankers. We are their essential allies, >> for only effective regulation permits them to exist and prosper. Think of >> what would happen to banks if we took the regular cops off the beat and
>> stopped prosecuting bank robbers. That's what happens when we take the >> regulatory cops off the beat. The only difference is that it is the >> controlling officers who loot the bank in the absence of the regulatory cops >> on the beat. It is the anti-regulators who are the enemy of honest banks and >> bankers. >> >> Top criminologists, effective financial regulators, and Nobel Laureates in >> economics have confirmed that epidemics of control fraud, such as the FBI >> warned of in September 2004, can cause financial bubbles to hyper-inflate and >> drive catastrophic financial crises. Indeed, the FBI predicted in September >> 2004 that the developing "epidemic" of mortgage fraud would cause a financial >> "crisis" if it were not stopped. It grew massively after 2004. The >> fraudulent SDIs (who were far broader than Fannie and Freddie, indeed, they >> only began to dominate the secondary market in sales of fraudulent loans after >> 2005) ignored the FBI and industry fraud warnings for the most obvious of >> reasons -- they were leaders the frauds. The ongoing U.S. crisis was driven >> overwhelmingly by fraudulent "liar's" loans. Studies have shown that the >> incidence of fraud in liar's loans is 90% (MBA/MARI 2006) and that by 2006 >> roughly one-third of all mortgage loans were liar's loans (Credit Suisse >> 2007). Rajdeep Sengupta, an economist at the Federal Reserve Bank of St. >> Louis, reported in 2010 in an article entitled Alt-A: The Forgotten Segment >> of the Mortgage Market that: >> >> "[B]etween 2003 and 2006 subprime and Alt-A [loans grew] 94 and 340 percent, >> respectively. The higher levels of originations after 2003 were largely >> sustained by the growth of the nonprime (both the subprime and Alt-A) segment >> of the mortgage market." >> >> Sengupta's data greatly understate the role of Alt-A loans (the euphemism >> for liars loans) for they ignore the fact that by 2006 half
of the loans >> called subprime were also liars loans (Credit Suisse: 2007). It was the >> massive growth in fraudulent liars loans that hyper-inflated and greatly >> extended the life of the bubble, producing the Great Recession. The growth of >> fraudulent loans rapidly increased, rather than decreased, after government >> and industry anti-fraud specialists warned that liar's loans were endemically >> fraudulent. No one in the government ever told a bank that it had to make or >> purchase a "liar's" loan. No honest mortgage lender would make liar's loans >> because doing so must cause severe losses. Criminologists, economists aware >> of the relevant criminological and economics literature on control fraud, and >> a host of investigations have confirmed the endemic nature of control fraud in >> the ongoing U.S. crisis. >> >> But the banking elites that led these frauds have been able to do so with >> impunity from prosecution. Take on federal agency, the Office of Thrift >> Supervision (OTS). During the S&L debacle, the OTS made well over 10,000 >> criminal referrals and made the removal of control frauds from the industry >> and their prosecution its top two priorities. The agency's support and the >> provision of 1000 FBI agents to investigate the cases led to the felony >> conviction of over 1,000 S&L frauds. The bulk of those convictions came from >> the "Top 100" list that OTS and the FBI created to prioritize the >> investigation of the worst failed S&Ls. In the ongoing crisis -- which caused >> losses 40 times larger than the S&L debacle, the OTS made zero criminal >> referrals, the FBI (as recently as FY 2007) assigned only 120 agents >> nationally to respond to the well over one million cases of mortgage fraud >> that occurred annually, and the OTS' non-effort produced no convictions of any >> S&L control frauds. OTS' sister agencies, the Fed and the OCC, have the same >> record of not even attempting to identify and prosecute the frauds. The FDIC
>> was better, but still only a shadow of what it was in fighting fraud in the >> early 1990s. If control frauds can operate with impunity from criminal >> prosecutions, then the perverse Gresham's dynamic is maximized and market >> forces will increasingly drive honest banks and firms from the marketplace. >> >> The Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission reported on the results of the Great >> Recession that was driven by this fraud epidemic: >> >> "As this report goes to print, there are more than 26 million Americans who >> are out of work, cannot find full-time work, or have given up looking for >> work. About >> four million families have lost their homes to foreclosure and another four >> and a half million have slipped into the foreclosure process or are seriously >> behind on their >> mortgage payments. Nearly $11 trillion in household wealth has vanished, with >> retirement accounts and life savings swept away. Businesses, large and small, >> have felt the sting of a deep recession." >> >> It is the fraudulent SDIs that are the massive job killers and wealth >> destroyers. It is the Great Recession that the fraudulent SDIs produced that >> caused most of the growth in the federal deficits and made the fiscal crises >> in our states and localities acute. The senior officers that led the control >> frauds are the opposite of the "productive class." No one, without the aid of >> an army, has ever destroyed more wealth and dreams than the control frauds. >> It is past to hold them accountable, to help their victims recover, and to end >> their ongoing frauds and corruption that have crippled our economy, our >> democracy, and our nation. jj >> >> Best, >> Bill Black >> ________________________________________ >> From: David DeGraw [AmpedStatus@AmpedStatus.com] >> Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 12:33 PM >> To: september17@googlegroups.com;
yotam.marom@gmail.com; Winter Siroco; >> vlad@glassbeadcollective.com; dissector@mediachannel.org; >> dylanratigan@gmail.com; Nomi; Black, William; yves@nakedcapitalism.com; >> Michael; Mike Papantonio; Michael Krieger; George Washington; Tyler Durden; >> ellenhbrown@gmail.com; Karl; Barry; Kevin Zeese; max; Matt; Simon; Zach; David >> Cay Johnston; Bill Laggner; Paul; Noam Chomsky; Moyers, Bill; >> ggreenwald@salon.com; glen.ford@blackagendareport.com; oftwomindz@comcast.net >> Subject: Re: OccupyWallStreet Economic Statement Draft 1 >> >> here it is w/ Dylan's suggested revisions, the ending needs smoothing out, >> let's see if we can finalize something tonight in GA - flooded w/ calls rght >> now, will be on NBC w/ Brian William tonight >> >> STATEMENT: >> >> we are publishing this statement in response to misinformation being spread >> throughout some media outlets, we would like to issue the statement below to >> give some clarification as to why we are currently occupying Wall Street: >> >> Now let us make something clear to our fellow American citizens. We - old, >> young, rich, poor, middle class, black, white, blue, red, hippies, >> conservatives, liberals, soldiers, teachers, lawyers, doctors, firefighters, >> and yes, police officers - the people occupying Wall Street, are not against >> rich people for being rich, as various corporate media outlets are attempting >> to make you think we are. We believe wealth should be a byproduct of working >> together to solve our problems with aligned interests. To clarify, what we are >> fighting against are the people, politicians and corporations who are >> responsible for trillions of dollars in fraud. We are fighting a political >> system that has been hijacked and rigged against hardworking Americans by the >> global financial elite. We are rebelling against economic tyranny. We are >> defending the United States against an occupying global financial oligarchy.
>> >> Our families have endured financial oppression for long enough. >> >> We are here to defend the people of the United Sates. America has been >> invaded and is currently occupied by global banks that have systematically >> looted our economy and destroyed our economic future. Through a system of >> political bribery - campaign finance, lobbying and the revolving door between >> Washington and Wall Street the global financial elite have bought off our >> politicians and now dominate our political process. >> >> So-called too big to fail financial companies, such as Goldman Sachs, JP >> Morgan Chase, Bank of America and Citigroup are responsible for trillions of >> dollars in fraudulent activity. As their global derivative Ponzi scheme began >> to crash, these global corporations got paid off politicians and the Federal >> Reserve to give them over $20 trillion dollars in taxpayer money and >> subsidies. After these global banks crashed our economy and took trillions of >> dollars of our national wealth, which saved their insolvent companies from >> going out of business, they turned around and had the audacity to give >> themselves all-time record-breaking bonuses. >> >> They used our tax dollars to give themselves all-time recording-breaking >> bonuses. >> >> At a time of national crisis, with calls for shared sacrifice, they used our >> tax dollars to give themselves all-time record-breaking bonuses. >> >> As a result of their actions, our country has been economically attacked. The >> statistics speak for themselves. >> >> According to the National Academy of Sciences, we have over 50 million >> Americans living in poverty. This shocking number of American families >> currently living in poverty is at an all-time high. Over 50 million Americans
>> are also without health care. 46 million Americans are relying on food stamps >> to feed their families. Over 64 million Americans have zero or negative net >> worth. Over 200 million Americans are living paycheck to paycheck desperately >> struggling to make ends meet as they are buried in debt. As this dire >> situation grows even more severe, the global financial elite are richer than >> ever. Over the course of the past generation, they have consolidated wealth >> in unprecedented fashion. We currently have the highest inequality of wealth >> in American history. Not even the Robber Barons were as bad as the modern day >> economic elite. >> >> In the US, millionaire households currently have over $46 trillion in wealth. >> On an annual basis, only one-tenth of one percent of the US population makes >> over $1 million per year. Breaking it down even further, 400 American >> billionaires currently have as much wealth as 154 million Americans. These >> 400 people have as much wealth as half of the entire US population. >> >> As we said before, we are not against rich people for being rich. We believe >> wealth should be a byproduct of working together to solve our problems with >> aligned interests. >> >> Our families and our country have endured financial oppression for long >> enough. >> >> Please join us or organize an action of your own. Anything you are willing to >> do to rebel against economic tyranny in a non-violent manner is welcome. >> >> >> > >
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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Lauren september17 [september17discuss] Re: PS. Mind the conservative backlash Wednesday, October 05, 2011 3:03:08 PM
You look great, sorry for the threats. For now it merely betrays them as the lying authoritarian bastards they really are.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Charles Lenchner september17@googlegroups.com [september17discuss] Salsa is offering their CRM tool Wednesday, October 05, 2011 3:40:46 PM
Hey all... I just joined the list and plan to introduce myself. But I learned something and wanted to get it in the right hands - it's unclear what that means! Salsa is a Constituent Relationship Manager. It is used by political groups and nonprofits on the progressive side of the fence. They would like to offer use if this product to Occupy Wall Street for free. It's a great tool that I'm familiar with - it does email blasting, list building, integrates with fundraising pages, signups, advocacy actions, letters to the editor, events management, etc. Folks might have various opinions about using this. My question is: which group or committee is qualified to make a decision on such a thing on behalf of 'Occupy Wall Street'? I beg forgiveness if this was discussed previously - the NYCGA site didn't include any mention of it that I could find, so it seemed a bit like an orphan issue. Thanks in advance, Charles Lenchner www.organizing20.org
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Lorenzo Serna september17@googlegroups.com [september17discuss] Showerings and getting folks into indoor beds. Tuesday, October 04, 2011 5:45:14 AM
Dear all, I was wondering where we were on getting folks showers and indoor beds. I've been spending a few days at the encampment and this need keeps coming up for folks. I know that there was a committee working towards this, but I wasn't sure how they were progressing, or if there was some way for folks in the encampment to start taking advantage of the spaces offered. I only bring this up, because there are a few folks who have come up to me asking about it, and I wanted to see if I could gather any more information so I could pass it on. Thank you, Lorenzo Serna
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com [september17discuss] The Union for Radical Political Economists (URPE) Sunday, October 02, 2011 10:04:00 AM
Others there can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think we had an excellent panel on Occupy Wall St at URPE yesterday. Chris Rude, Grimwomyn, Jackie DiSalvo, Vlad, and I (John McG), explained where we came from what we are doing, and where we hope to be going. We descibed our history and how the general assembly funtions. As is common in our horizontal democracy we didn't always agree on details, but we were warmly greeted and most people in the room seemed very excited about what we were doing. Grimwomyn had multimedia going, and showed them, among other things, shots from the wearethe99% page which has really taken off, and the live feed--so that while Vlad was describing how he and the media team had set up a worldwide broadcasting network from the park, they were watching the protesters on the Brooklyn Bridge. (I think the arrests came after.) We got some suggestions fom the audience. The first was that the movement was too white and too male. We assured them that the general assembly was aware of the demographics and that we wanted to include EVERYONE, incuding more New Yorkers, and that we were working to bring more groups in as fast as possible. Another suggestion was that we organize a national or worldwide halt to the economy. We said that this is too big for us right now, but that it is on the agenda. My favorite suggestion was that we start suggesting to The People that they move their money from big banks to credit unions. This is something that could start small and grow real big real fast, and empower individuals to really hurt the big banks. Please add any thing important that I left out. Thank you for your patience, and impatience, John On 10/02/11, jemcgloin@verizon.net wrote: I am wondering if you guys ever met on the demands thing, and if you did what you talked about. John
On 10/01/11, Doug Singsen<dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: Where is the meeting? Sent from my phone On Oct 1, 2011 9:25 AM, "Amin Husain" <amin.husain@gmail.com> wrote: Sounds good. 1:30 On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 9:23 AM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: that would be great. can we make the meeting at 1:30?
On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 9:21 AM, Amin Husain <amin.husain@gmail.com> wrote: I am not sure. We can meet today in the afternoon before the march after 12, if you and others are free. I could also explain how this fits into the demands discussion that is on-going and how it's evolving.
On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 9:18 AM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: when is the group's next meeting?
On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 9:15 AM, Amin Husain <amin.husain@gmail.com> wrote: The working group on principles of solidarity has the document printed to be put before the GA to discuss and reach consensus. If time permits, that may be today. On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 9:04 AM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: I'd love to. When and where is the group that is working on demands and points of solidarity meeting?
On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 8:59 AM, Winter Siroco <wintersiroco@gmail.com> wrote: Doug, We should be able to modify our documents, and it would be wise to do so at this early stage. Indeed the points that you are raising are very important. I urge you to team with those interested and elaborate a modification that addresses the issues raised. Cesar
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 11:41 AM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: I'm very glad that we have this, and overall it's very good, but it's missing one big thing: there is no mention of how Wall Street created the economic crisis that destroyed millions of jobs, and how Wall Street was bailed out of its crisis by cutting vital public services! Any chance we can get that added? I realize that this list is not meant to include every grievance, but this is incredibly important and central to the damage done by Wall Street specifically, as opposed to capitalism as a whole. Frankly, we would not be occupying Liberty Park now if it weren't for the economic crisis - that's what set all this in motion. To not include it here seems like a major omission, and may make it harder to do outreach to the public sector unions that have started supporting us. Doug
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 10:15 AM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: Love it!
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 9:08 AM, Cesar <wintersiroco@gmail.com> wrote: Hi Drew, perhaps a link to the live stream take of the GA discussion could be posted in the Web page together with the declaration. I am very glad about finally starting to have some definition. It was a great work, and we should continue to improve the process of elaborating our documents. Cesar Sent from phone
On Sep 30, 2011, at 5:30 AM, Drew <dhornbein@gmail.com> wrote: http://nycga.cc/2011/09/30/declaration-of-the-occupation-of-new-york-city/ spread this far and wide! Short code: http://nycga.cc/?p=780 print for saturday
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com [september17discuss] Today"s march is the top story on CNN and MSNBC 5pm broadcasts. Wednesday, October 05, 2011 6:28:15 PM
Today's march is the top story on CNN and MSNBC 5pm broadcasts.
On 10/05/11, Will Gauss<willgauss@gmail.com> wrote: That changes a lot, thank you for the clarification that today's march is not OWS. In that case, GA has no authority over it. I still stand firm however that we put a resolution which declares that we do not recognize a need for permits as legal or just and refuse to capitulate to such mechanisms of control as them. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 5, 2011, at 10:11 AM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: That's correct. Today's rally and march were called by other groups, not OWS, and those groups include a lot of public workers who can be fired if they get arrested, which we need to take into account. Doug On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 8:22 PM, Aaron Gemmill <gemmill@gmail.com> wrote: It's my understanding that this march isn't directly organized by OWS, but by several groups sympathetic to OWS. By what authority would the GA restrict other groups from organizing their own assemblies as they see fit? Permitting creates a safe space for a much larger group of people to express their solidarity with OWS than would be able to in circumstances which would put them at risk for arrest, ticketing, etc.
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 7:55 PM, Will Gauss <willgauss@gmail.com> wrote: Then the Supreme Court decided unjustly and in contravention of liberty. Looks like another decision which must be overturned, or made irrelevant by mass civil disobedience. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 4, 2011, at 7:39 PM, Gabriel Johnson <gabjoh2@gmail.com> wrote: Okay but the Supreme Court disagrees. --glj On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 7:25 PM, hextic <willgauss@gmail.com> wrote: It is too late to put this to GA attention, so I will tweet now on the one condition that we make an effort to pass a resolution that in the future we completely reject the entire idea of requiring a "permit" to
exercise Constitutionally guaranteed rights. Of what possible, conceivable use is a freedom of speech and assembly which we must ask for? Asking for permissions implies legitimacy of a "no" answer. The entire purpose of this freedom is to give us the ability to unilaterally assert ourselves when our representatives fail to represent us. The requirement of a permit is a direct nullification of what is an unbridgeable right. On Oct 4, 6:35 pm, Conor Toms Reed <conortomasr...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hello, OWS twitter-squad. Please update your info tweets to note that the > mass 4:30pm rally tomorrow at City Hall Park has been moved to Foley Square > so it can be given a marching permit (i.e. essentially no risk of arrest). > > https://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=282473051782707 > > thanks! > -Conor
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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17 [september17discuss] Tweeters/promoters! #occupiedwallstreetjournal call for images! Tuesday, October 04, 2011 2:05:19 PM
Please have people promote the <occupiedwallstreetjournal> tag for images on flickr.... Sample tweet: Are u a photographer at #occupywallstreet ? Submit yr photos by using the tag occupiedwallstreet @ http://www.flickr.com/ Deadline: Thurs 5pm Thanks!
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of J Wedes september17 [september17discuss] Welcome Flyer Tuesday, October 04, 2011 12:16:28 AM
Hi everyone, I know we have a NYC GA pamphlet, but I wanted to create something that we could give to new campers upon arrival at the Welcome Centers. Here's my start on it: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ql4xnJO1y5kChYhoSCDDImMZZkPSvycCovhGGCb0BNM/edit? hl=en_US It lays out basic rules, info about the park/neighborhood/etc. It is by no means exhaustive, but it's a start. What do people think? -justin
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Lucas Vazquez september17 [september17discuss] Sunday, October 02, 2011 11:08:59 PM
hey I am being interviewed on the following talk show, http://www.blogtalkradio.com/v-
radio/2011/10/03/lucas-vazquez-of-occupy-wall-street-interview, and the host asked me that we try to blast this and publicize this as much as possible before tomorrow at 3 pm which is the time of the interview. lucas
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globalrevolutiontv@googlegroups.com on behalf of Drew H Andrew Occupy TVNY; globalrevolutiontv@googlegroups.com; owseducation@gmail.com Fwd: Fw: Education & Empowerment Wednesday, October 05, 2011 4:23:16 PM
---------- Forwarded message ---------From: Dave Kempa <dave.kempa@gmail.com> Date: Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 2:29 PM Subject: Fwd: Fw: Education & Empowerment To: dhornbein@gmail.com Hey Drew, Marissa told me to FWD you the below schedule of upcoming speakers at the red beams for the nycga site. I'm Dave, by the way. Nice to meet ya. ---------- Forwarded message ---------From: Michael Levitin <malevitin@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 12:37 PM Subject: Fw: Education & Empowerment To: "dave.kempa@gmail.com" <dave.kempa@gmail.com>
----- Forwarded Message ----From: Natasha S <nats.nats85@gmail.com> To: malevitin@yahoo.com Cc: Babak K <bkarimi17@gmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 5, 2011 12:14 PM Subject: Education & Empowerment
Hey Michael, spoke to yesterday about adding something from our group in the journal. Due to the lack of time we have come up with something very basic, for the next time we will add more but it will be great if the below text could be published. Regards Natsaha The Education and Empowerment group at OWS has been organizing Open Forum TeachIns at the square everyday at 6. Open Forum is a discussion series on the issues of the occupation. This is a space for open discussion, collaboration, support, and solidarity. We are inviting communities, organizations and individuals struggling against current injustices in society to make their voices heard and join the Occupy Wall Street movement. Community organizers, unions, minorities,
immigrants, workers, students and academics are invited to speak and lead discussions. Individual and organizations of all background have a chance to share their vision and shape our movement. Feel free to share their vision and shape our movement. The Open Forum is also open to presentations on movements throughout the world. Last Sunday, the focus turned to Spain and the May 15 Movement. Participants discussed its main characteristics, focusing especially in its broad character and the novelty of its organizational forms. The need for a redefinition of politics and the importance of empowerment learning and building together an open process besides previous political identities. It was a rainy but warm evening, in which people's mic amplified ideas and words such as "Create a city / within the city / to show the city / how the city should be". Come join us for our upcoming speakers by the red beams at the square. 10/6 10/7 10/8 10/9 Naomi Klein Ruso: " Lawrence of Arabia in Wall street" : Lines on a preceding present Brian Holmes : The financial mind and transformation of global class structure. 4:30pm David Jaramillo : Photo essay on the Oaxaca uprising. 6pm Updates from Movement for justice in El Barrio 10/10 Betty Yu & Seven Renderos: Media Justice Organizing 10/13 Ali: Organizing Effectively without Hierarchy 10/14 Behzad Yaghmaian : The war on the public sector, A new global strategy for labor market restructuring.
globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com on behalf of Alvaro Corzo global revolution RE: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] 15 oct campeing videos Monday, October 03, 2011 12:06:17 PM
Nikki ya pongo a rodar esto en latinoamerica, me eriza la piel ver lo hermoso de esta convocatoria. Alvaro Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 16:34:16 +0200 Subject: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] 15 oct campeing videos From: nikkyschiller@gmail.com To: globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Ey everyone i would appreciate you inform me if you have or you will make any promotion video for the 15oct for me to upload it to the globalrevolution channel here you go an examples: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4y3X2VFruLM&feature=player_embedded http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WU7-ryQAUDg&feature=player_embedded&noredirect=1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyuUlCyv_-A http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyziG5bUuBE&feature=related all the best Nikky
globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com on behalf of Prudence Katze globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] almost raw, slightly cut footage of yesterday march on brooklyn bridge Sunday, October 02, 2011 11:30:09 AM
Yeah thanks Maria, I've tweeted and shared it with several people! On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 10:58 AM, Ms. Nikita <msnikitanyc@gmail.com> wrote: This is great. I am going to give this to the press. The NYPD is clearing leading people that way. On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 10:22 AM, Maria C <forgottenimage@hotmail.com> wrote: just to show the cops leading protesters to the road on the bridge before trapping them. don't have time to make something better for now feel free to cue in livestream or whatever. man, i had to climb up to the upper level of the bridge, that was freaking stressful. cheers to those who can afford getting arrested!once was enough for myself. i hope you all are out already and feel fine! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdIv5teKJB4 peace maria
globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com on behalf of Nicholas Isabella globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com <globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com> Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] almost raw, slightly cut footage of yesterday march on brooklyn bridge Sunday, October 02, 2011 12:20:05 PM
This is great footage! Sent from my iPhone On Oct 2, 2011, at 10:22, Maria C <forgottenimage@hotmail.com> wrote: just to show the cops leading protesters to the road on the bridge before trapping them. don't have time to make something better for now feel free to cue in livestream or whatever. man, i had to climb up to the upper level of the bridge, that was freaking stressful. cheers to those who can afford getting arrested!once was enough for myself. i hope you all are out already and feel fine! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdIv5teKJB4 peace maria
globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com on behalf of Ms. Nikita globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] almost raw, slightly cut footage of yesterday march on brooklyn bridge Sunday, October 02, 2011 11:06:44 AM
This is great. I am going to give this to the press. The NYPD is clearing leading people that way. On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 10:22 AM, Maria C <forgottenimage@hotmail.com> wrote: just to show the cops leading protesters to the road on the bridge before trapping them. don't have time to make something better for now feel free to cue in livestream or whatever. man, i had to climb up to the upper level of the bridge, that was freaking stressful. cheers to those who can afford getting arrested!once was enough for myself. i hope you all are out already and feel fine! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdIv5teKJB4 peace maria
globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com on behalf of Marisa Holmes globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] NY Media Team Meeting Wednesday, October 05, 2011 2:22:01 PM
2pm sounds good to me. Marisa On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 9:00 PM, katiedavison@rogueproduction.com <katiedavison@rogueproduction.com> wrote: > Hey Everyone, > Media meeting tomorrow at 2p. Is that ok with everyone? > Thanks, > Katie > > Connected by a corporate tax dodger - aka Verizon Wireless. We pay-shouldn't > they? > > -----Original message----> > From: nikky schiller <nikkyschiller@gmail.com> > To: globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com > Sent: Mon, Oct 3, 2011 14:34:43 GMT+00:00 > Subject: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] 15 oct campeing videos > > Ey everyone > i would appreciate you inform me if you have or you will make any promotion > video for the 15oct for me to > upload it to the globalrevolution channel > here you go an examples: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4y3X2VFruLM&feature=player_embedded > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WU7-ryQAUDg&feature=player_embedded&noredirect=1 > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyuUlCyv_-A > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyziG5bUuBE&feature=related > all the best > Nikky >
globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com on behalf of Hank Testor globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] NY Media Team Meeting Monday, October 03, 2011 2:23:34 PM
yup ;) On 10/3/11 1:00 PM, katiedavison@rogueproduction.com wrote: Hey Everyone, Media meeting tomorrow at 2p. Is that ok with everyone? Thanks, Katie
Connected by a corporate tax dodger - aka Verizon Wireless. We pay-shouldn't they?
-----Original message----From: nikky schiller <nikkyschiller@gmail.com> To: globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Sent: Mon, Oct 3, 2011 14:34:43 GMT+00:00 Subject: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] 15 oct campeing videos
Ey everyone i would appreciate you inform me if you have or you will make any promotion video for the 15oct for me to upload it to the globalrevolution channel here you go an examples: http://www.youtube.com/watch? v=4y3X2VFruLM&feature=player_embedded http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WU7ryQAUDg&feature=player_embedded&noredirect=1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyuUlCyv_-A http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyziG5bUuBE&feature=related all the best Nikky
globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com on behalf of Ms. Nikita globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] Occupy Media Project meeting @6pm Monday, October 03, 2011 3:43:46 PM
Ha ha ha. I love that response and sparkle alvaro's suggestion. The 6 pm meeting sounds awesome and valuable to me. Gotta work. Own that mess. Whoever said a revolution was clean. Nikita On Oct 3, 2011 2:49 PM, "Vlad T" <vlad@glassbeadcollective.org> wrote: yes we will have minutes that will go to the entire group. sometimes these meetings are announced and just dont happen or turn into a mess thats not worth writing about :) On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 1:44 PM, Alvaro Corzo <acorzo@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Vlad is there a way w...
globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com on behalf of Vlad T globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] Occupy Media Project meeting @6pm Monday, October 03, 2011 2:49:25 PM
yes we will have minutes that will go to the entire group. sometimes these meetings are announced and just dont happen or turn into a mess thats not worth writing about :) On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 1:44 PM, Alvaro Corzo <acorzo@hotmail.com> wrote: Vlad is there a way we can have like brief updates of those really important mettings via this mail group for people like me that cannot be there all the time. Alvaro From: vlad@glassbeadcollective.org Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 13:34:49 -0400 Subject: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] Occupy Media Project meeting @6pm To: globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com hey people we are meeting up with melissa who started a new nationwide project to confront mainstream media at 6pm she will talk about what they are doing and how we can collaborate as well as some strategies we might want to adapt. @camp. Vlad
globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com on behalf of Alvaro Corzo global revolution RE: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] Occupy Media Project meeting @6pm Monday, October 03, 2011 1:44:54 PM
Vlad is there a way we can have like brief updates of those really important mettings via this mail group for people like me that cannot be there all the time. Alvaro From: vlad@glassbeadcollective.org Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 13:34:49 -0400 Subject: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] Occupy Media Project meeting @6pm To: globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com hey people we are meeting up with melissa who started a new nationwide project to confront mainstream media at 6pm she will talk about what they are doing and how we can collaborate as well as some strategies we might want to adapt. @camp. Vlad
globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com on behalf of Ms. Nikita globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] today"s media minutes Wednesday, October 05, 2011 6:55:15 AM
Thanks Katie, Work til 12 p.m. but this is really helpful. I'll be on the Plaza from 1 p.m. til tomorrow and also on the march. Nikita On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 1:03 AM, Katie Davison <katiedavison@rogueproduction.com> wrote:
Hey everyone Working to add everyone to a comprehensive media team list. Attached are the minutes for today's media meeting. Sorry for the delay. Meeting for NY media team tomorrow at noon at Charlotte's Place. x Katie
globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com on behalf of Maria C globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com RE: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] today"s media minutes Wednesday, October 05, 2011 9:22:43 AM
Yeah Katie, thanks a lot. I hope this is going to become a 'tradition' or what's the word.. I have a proposal for the next meeting, after today's, to make it in the evening for a change, so the people who couldn't attend previous ones because they work or take care of kids or something in a day time would have a chance to take part in discussions and get involved again. This is proposal for todays' meeting which I can't attend again. Please consider. I propose 5.30 or 6pm Peace Maria
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 06:55:09 -0400 Subject: Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] today's media minutes From: msnikitanyc@gmail.com To: globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Thanks Katie, Work til 12 p.m. but this is really helpful. I'll be on the Plaza from 1 p.m. til tomorrow and also on the march. Nikita On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 1:03 AM, Katie Davison <katiedavison@rogueproduction.com> wrote: Hey everyone Working to add everyone to a comprehensive media team list. Attached are the minutes for today's media meeting. Sorry for the delay. Meeting for NY media team tomorrow at noon at Charlotte's Place. x Katie
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of gail zawacki september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] #occupiedwallstreetjournal: yr paper Sunday, October 02, 2011 12:08:14 PM
nyt article about OWS Journal: http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/10/01/occupying-and-now-publishing-too/? src=tp On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 12:01 PM, Matthew Bralow <mbralow@gmail.com> wrote: which working group put or is putting the content for this paper together? is there a point of contact? thanks! matt On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 11:57 AM, Winter Siroco <wintersiroco@gmail.com> wrote: > Perhaps this is on the plan..., but just in case, the distribution could be > use the distribution machine of The Indypendent, which is located in > friendly locations all over the city. > Cesar > > On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 11:50 AM, J Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Let's make sure to get these to local businesses that support us. If >> somebody will deliver about 300 to me I'll send them off with my committee >> to local folks. >> >> -justin >> >> On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 10:05 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> the paper is FREE >>> >>> On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 8:17 AM, Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> > Just a note: nothing says "moribund leftist movement" like folks >>> > walking >>> > around trying to sell newspapers. I'm off occupying Boston this >>> > weekend, but >>> > I hope we can come up with a distribution model that doesn't look like >>> > that. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > On Sep 30, 2011, at 9:51 PM, MAd Hatter <progressivechange@gmail.com> >>> > wrote: >>> > >>> > The work you all did to get this done in time for tomorrow is beyond >>> > amazing! Thanks so much. >>> > >>> > We need to set up outreach teams to distribute this tomorrow. >>> > >>> > 1. 11am meet at the new outreach table and look for Jillian. Join a
>>> > team and >>> > attend slutwalk and nuke rallies, and distribute. At least 6 people at >>> > each >>> > event. We will have eventbdetails at 11am >>> > >>> > 2. At 2pm we need volunteers to gather to be around the 3pm march to >>> > hand >>> > out the paper. About 12-15 people for this would be great . >>> > >>> > 3. Sunday teams and turf should be handed out at some point Saturday >>> > as >>> > well. >>> > >>> > Please make an effort to "sign out" bulk papers so we can see what we >>> > are >>> > covering. >>> > >>> > On Monday we will have a couple organizing meetings where we will >>> > distribute bulk papers to go out to schools, cafes, streets, >>> > workplaces, >>> > etc. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > On Friday, September 30, 2011, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >> Okay, we will be picking up the paper tomorrow, we are getting 50-70K >>> >> issues >>> >> >>> >> This is a pilot project and the property of the General Assembly. This >>> >> is a movement newspaper, it is funded through Kickstarter. We don't >>> >> own this, just because the team that put it together took initiative, >>> >> we are not the owners of this project at all. It is yours. There is >>> >> plenty of $$ that has been raised by people from all over the world >>> >> wanting to support the NYGA and the occupywallstreet community. >>> >> >>> >> 100% of the proceeds from the kickstarter campaign are to be used for >>> >> printed materials for outreach. We need mechanisms of accountability >>> >> to be set up to make sure that the $$ is used towards these means. >>> >> This means that you can get stickers, posters, flyers, or more papers >>> >> with the money that has been raised. >>> >> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/610964639/occupy-wall-streetmedia >>> >> >>> >> We are now looking for people to help us both pick up and distribute >>> >> the papers between now and October 5th throughout the city. It would >>> >> be great if someone could round up a distribution team to hit critical >>> >> points for outreach in NYC. >>> >> >>> >> We recommend that a print production working group should be formed >>> >> with people who have experience or strong interest in working in
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printed media and outreach. Michael Levitin will be communicating this at the GA meeting tonight on behalf of the #occupywallstreet team, the rest of the team would like to come to the GA meeting on this but we have not slept in two days, we will see you at the march tomorrow as we help distribute the paper. Thanks again for your trust in us, we hope that you will be pleased with the results! Cheers-grim
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] #occupiedwallstreetjournal: yr paper Sunday, October 02, 2011 12:09:13 PM
yeah I read that yesterday!!!!! On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 12:08 PM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: > nyt article about OWS Journal: > http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/10/01/occupying-and-now-publishing-too/?src=tp > > On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 12:01 PM, Matthew Bralow <mbralow@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> which working group put or is putting the content for this paper >> together? is there a point of contact? thanks! matt >> >> On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 11:57 AM, Winter Siroco <wintersiroco@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > Perhaps this is on the plan..., but just in case, the distribution could >> > be >> > use the distribution machine of The Indypendent, which is located in >> > friendly locations all over the city. >> > Cesar >> > >> > On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 11:50 AM, J Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> Let's make sure to get these to local businesses that support us. If >> >> somebody will deliver about 300 to me I'll send them off with my >> >> committee >> >> to local folks. >> >> >> >> -justin >> >> >> >> On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 10:05 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> the paper is FREE >> >>> >> >>> On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 8:17 AM, Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com> >> >>> wrote: >> >>> > Just a note: nothing says "moribund leftist movement" like folks >> >>> > walking >> >>> > around trying to sell newspapers. I'm off occupying Boston this >> >>> > weekend, but >> >>> > I hope we can come up with a distribution model that doesn't look >> >>> > like >> >>> > that. >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > On Sep 30, 2011, at 9:51 PM, MAd Hatter >> >>> > <progressivechange@gmail.com> >> >>> > wrote: >> >>> > >> >>> > The work you all did to get this done in time for tomorrow is beyond >> >>> > amazing! Thanks so much. >> >>> > >> >>> > We need to set up outreach teams to distribute this tomorrow. >> >>> >
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> 1. 11am meet at the new outreach table and look for Jillian. Join a > team and > attend slutwalk and nuke rallies, and distribute. At least 6 people > at > each > event. We will have eventbdetails at 11am > > 2. At 2pm we need volunteers to gather to be around the 3pm march > to > hand > out the paper. About 12-15 people for this would be great . > > 3. Sunday teams and turf should be handed out at some point > Saturday > as > well. > > Please make an effort to "sign out" bulk papers so we can see what > we > are > covering. > > On Monday we will have a couple organizing meetings where we will > distribute bulk papers to go out to schools, cafes, streets, > workplaces, > etc. > > > > > > On Friday, September 30, 2011, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> > wrote: >> Okay, we will be picking up the paper tomorrow, we are getting >> 50-70K >> issues >> >> This is a pilot project and the property of the General Assembly. >> This >> is a movement newspaper, it is funded through Kickstarter. We don't >> own this, just because the team that put it together took >> initiative, >> we are not the owners of this project at all. It is yours. There is >> plenty of $$ that has been raised by people from all over the world >> wanting to support the NYGA and the occupywallstreet community. >> >> 100% of the proceeds from the kickstarter campaign are to be used >> for >> printed materials for outreach. We need mechanisms of >> accountability >> to be set up to make sure that the $$ is used towards these means. >> This means that you can get stickers, posters, flyers, or more >> papers >> with the money that has been raised. >> >> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/610964639/occupy-wall-street-media >> >> We are now looking for people to help us both pick up and >> distribute >> the papers between now and October 5th throughout the city. It
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would be great if someone could round up a distribution team to hit critical points for outreach in NYC. We recommend that a print production working group should be formed with people who have experience or strong interest in working in printed media and outreach. Michael Levitin will be communicating this at the GA meeting tonight on behalf of the #occupywallstreet team, the rest of the team would like to come to the GA meeting on this but we have not slept in two days, we will see you at the march tomorrow as we help distribute the paper. Thanks again for your trust in us, we hope that you will be pleased with the results! Cheers-grim
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] #OccupyDallas Stands in Solidarity with NYC Monday, October 03, 2011 7:21:47 PM
NY Times plugs occupy Together: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/04/us/anti-wall-street-protests-spread-to-other-cities.html?hp
On 10/03/11, Stephen Benavides<stephenbenavides@gmail.com> wrote: We are holding out first organizing meet tonight. Information is on our website: http://www.occupydallas.org/ We will have Civil Disobedience Training on Wednesday, and then start #OccupyDallas Thursday. Also, the United Steel Workers have endorsed #OccupyWallStreet http://usw.org/media_center/news_articles?id=0887 -Stephen Benavides United Steel Workers Local #9479 North Texas Association of Public Employees Employee Representative Office: 214-760-7422 Cell: 214-779-8991 Fax: 214-760-7423
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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of gail zawacki september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] 350.org would like to become involved - and anyone help organize a talk/discussion? Tuesday, October 04, 2011 3:07:59 PM
Layan, I'm so glad you are interested in pursuing this! Here are some links indicating their (350 and Tar Sands) support of OWS... specifically, Phil Aroneanu who made the last video is in NY, an organizer for 350 and would like to arrange teach-ins with scientists perhaps at OWS. Can I send him your email address so you can talk directly? I'm in CA with a daughter post-surgery this week. thanks so much, Gail http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=289124374431699 http://www.350.org/en/about/blogs/why-we-should-all-occupy-wall-st http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRlHZN_qibk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaSc4vwZ7MY On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 2:52 PM, Layan Fuleihan <lsfuleihan@gmail.com> wrote: Yes! This is really important! I would be very interested in helping you organize this. How does 350.org want to be involved? Also, has anyone talked about showing solidarity with the tar sands protests in DC? There will be a Keystone xl pipeline demonstration in nyc on november 6 as well: http://events.tarsandsaction.org/officevisits/events/show/174 2011/10/4 gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> Activists have offered to participate in information session and/or have climate scientists speak at OWS. I'm not sure who is scheduling such activities. Please contact me! witsendnj@yahoo.com or witsendnj@gmail.com. There is a critically important link between corporate control of the media and government regulatory agencies and the important facts most people AREN'T getting about the dangers of climate change. Plus, climate/environmental groups have large groups and dedicated supporters. It's a great connection. thanks, Gail
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of gail zawacki september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] 350.org would like to become involved - and anyone help organize a talk/discussion? Tuesday, October 04, 2011 3:24:05 PM
Just read that anti-fracking group is coming to OWS! Radio show about links between corporate pillaging of economy and climate: http://climate-connections.org/2011/10/04/this-weeks-earth-minute-occupy-wallstreet-and-the-links-between-politics-economics-ecology-race-and-class/ On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 3:07 PM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: Layan, I'm so glad you are interested in pursuing this! Here are some links indicating their (350 and Tar Sands) support of OWS... specifically, Phil Aroneanu who made the last video is in NY, an organizer for 350 and would like to arrange teach-ins with scientists perhaps at OWS. Can I send him your email address so you can talk directly? I'm in CA with a daughter post-surgery this week. thanks so much, Gail http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=289124374431699 http://www.350.org/en/about/blogs/why-we-should-all-occupy-wall-st http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRlHZN_qibk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaSc4vwZ7MY On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 2:52 PM, Layan Fuleihan <lsfuleihan@gmail.com> wrote: Yes! This is really important! I would be very interested in helping you organize this. How does 350.org want to be involved? Also, has anyone talked about showing solidarity with the tar sands protests in DC? There will be a Keystone xl pipeline demonstration in nyc on november 6 as well: http://events.tarsandsaction.org/officevisits/events/show/174 2011/10/4 gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> Activists have offered to participate in information session and/or have climate scientists speak at OWS. I'm not sure who is scheduling such activities. Please contact me! witsendnj@yahoo.com or witsendnj@gmail.com. There is a critically important link between corporate control of the media and government regulatory agencies and the important facts most people AREN'T getting about the dangers of climate change. Plus, climate/environmental groups have large groups and dedicated supporters. It's a great connection. thanks, Gail
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Layan Fuleihan september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] 350.org would like to become involved - and anyone help organize a talk/discussion? Tuesday, October 04, 2011 3:25:52 PM
Sure, send him my email! Thanks for all the links, this is very exciting 2011/10/4 gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> Just read that anti-fracking group is coming to OWS! Radio show about links between corporate pillaging of economy and climate: http://climate-connections.org/2011/10/04/this-weeks-earth-minute-occupy-wallstreet-and-the-links-between-politics-economics-ecology-race-and-class/ On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 3:07 PM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: Layan, I'm so glad you are interested in pursuing this! Here are some links indicating their (350 and Tar Sands) support of OWS... specifically, Phil Aroneanu who made the last video is in NY, an organizer for 350 and would like to arrange teach-ins with scientists perhaps at OWS. Can I send him your email address so you can talk directly? I'm in CA with a daughter post-surgery this week. thanks so much, Gail http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=289124374431699 http://www.350.org/en/about/blogs/why-we-should-all-occupy-wall-st http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRlHZN_qibk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaSc4vwZ7MY On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 2:52 PM, Layan Fuleihan <lsfuleihan@gmail.com> wrote: Yes! This is really important! I would be very interested in helping you organize this. How does 350.org want to be involved? Also, has anyone talked about showing solidarity with the tar sands protests in DC? There will be a Keystone xl pipeline demonstration in nyc on november 6 as well: http://events.tarsandsaction.org/officevisits/events/show/174 2011/10/4 gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> Activists have offered to participate in information session and/or have climate scientists speak at OWS. I'm not sure who is scheduling such activities. Please contact me! witsendnj@yahoo.com or witsendnj@gmail.com. There is a critically important link between corporate control of the media and government regulatory agencies and the important facts most people AREN'T getting about the dangers of climate change. Plus, climate/environmental groups have large groups and dedicated
supporters. It's a great connection. thanks, Gail
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Winter Siroco september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] 350.org would like to become involved - and anyone help organize a talk/discussion? Wednesday, October 05, 2011 8:20:19 AM
Perhaps those interested in this subject should organize a talk at the open forum at 6:00. Cesar On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 10:52 AM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: Activists have offered to participate in information session and/or have climate scientists speak at OWS. I'm not sure who is scheduling such activities. Please contact me! witsendnj@yahoo.com or witsendnj@gmail.com. There is a critically important link between corporate control of the media and government regulatory agencies and the important facts most people AREN'T getting about the dangers of climate change. Plus, climate/environmental groups have large groups and dedicated supporters. It's a great connection. thanks, Gail
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of gail zawacki september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] 350.org would like to become involved - and anyone help organize a talk/discussion? Wednesday, October 05, 2011 11:06:42 AM
Thanks Cesar! Is there a procedure to get on the agenda? On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 8:20 AM, Winter Siroco <wintersiroco@gmail.com> wrote: Perhaps those interested in this subject should organize a talk at the open forum at 6:00. Cesar On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 10:52 AM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: Activists have offered to participate in information session and/or have climate scientists speak at OWS. I'm not sure who is scheduling such activities. Please contact me! witsendnj@yahoo.com or witsendnj@gmail.com. There is a critically important link between corporate control of the media and government regulatory agencies and the important facts most people AREN'T getting about the dangers of climate change. Plus, climate/environmental groups have large groups and dedicated supporters. It's a great connection. thanks, Gail
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Layan Fuleihan september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] 350.org would like to become involved - and anyone help organize a talk/discussion? Wednesday, October 05, 2011 11:15:34 AM
Hi, I'm in touch with phil from 350.org and we are figuring out a time for Bill Mckibben to come do a teach in as a first step to start bringing awareness to this topic, I'll keep you posted, but it looks like saturday is the day... 2011/10/5 gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> Thanks Cesar! Is there a procedure to get on the agenda? On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 8:20 AM, Winter Siroco <wintersiroco@gmail.com> wrote: Perhaps those interested in this subject should organize a talk at the open forum at 6:00. Cesar On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 10:52 AM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: Activists have offered to participate in information session and/or have climate scientists speak at OWS. I'm not sure who is scheduling such activities. Please contact me! witsendnj@yahoo.com or witsendnj@gmail.com. There is a critically important link between corporate control of the media and government regulatory agencies and the important facts most people AREN'T getting about the dangers of climate change. Plus, climate/environmental groups have large groups and dedicated supporters. It's a great connection. thanks, Gail
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of gail zawacki september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] 350.org would like to become involved - and anyone help organize a talk/discussion? Wednesday, October 05, 2011 12:36:08 PM
Thanks so much Layan! On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 11:15 AM, Layan Fuleihan <lsfuleihan@gmail.com> wrote: Hi, I'm in touch with phil from 350.org and we are figuring out a time for Bill Mckibben to come do a teach in as a first step to start bringing awareness to this topic, I'll keep you posted, but it looks like saturday is the day... 2011/10/5 gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> Thanks Cesar! Is there a procedure to get on the agenda? On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 8:20 AM, Winter Siroco <wintersiroco@gmail.com> wrote: Perhaps those interested in this subject should organize a talk at the open forum at 6:00. Cesar On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 10:52 AM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: Activists have offered to participate in information session and/or have climate scientists speak at OWS. I'm not sure who is scheduling such activities. Please contact me! witsendnj@yahoo.com or witsendnj@gmail.com. There is a critically important link between corporate control of the media and government regulatory agencies and the important facts most people AREN'T getting about the dangers of climate change. Plus, climate/environmental groups have large groups and dedicated supporters. It's a great connection. thanks, Gail
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Layan Fuleihan september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] 350.org would like to become involved - and anyone help organize a talk/discussion? Tuesday, October 04, 2011 2:52:05 PM
Yes! This is really important! I would be very interested in helping you organize this. How does 350.org want to be involved? Also, has anyone talked about showing solidarity with the tar sands protests in DC? There will be a Keystone xl pipeline demonstration in nyc on november 6 as well: http://events.tarsandsaction.org/officevisits/events/show/174 2011/10/4 gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> Activists have offered to participate in information session and/or have climate scientists speak at OWS. I'm not sure who is scheduling such activities. Please contact me! witsendnj@yahoo.com or witsendnj@gmail.com. There is a critically important link between corporate control of the media and government regulatory agencies and the important facts most people AREN'T getting about the dangers of climate change. Plus, climate/environmental groups have large groups and dedicated supporters. It's a great connection. thanks, Gail
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of gail zawacki september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] 74% of Daily News readers say OccupyWallSt is "a great cause" Sunday, October 02, 2011 12:04:53 PM
Don't know if you've seen this: http://current.com/shows/countdown/videos/october2011-orgs-kevin-zeese-on-hisgroups-affinity-with-occupy-wall-street On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 11:58 AM, Vicente Rubio <vrubiopu@gmail.com> wrote: +1000000 2011/10/2 Luis Moreno-Caballud <morenocaballud@yahoo.es> Yes! For me the key moment is going to be when that "non-activist" people feel at home in the movement and start working. If we achieve that, things could really change. On Oct 2, 2011, at 8:56 AM, jemcgloin@verizon.net wrote:
Wow we must be doing something right. We need to demand that they all get on the street. Liking us is important but not enough. Yesterday, I was in Brooklyn and ended up at the Brooklyn side of the bridge, watching all the cops. A middle aged guy standing next to me said, its Occupy Wall St. I asked him what he thought. He said he supports it 100%, and that his daughter is so into that she shaved her head and wants to go sleep there. I told him its a great crowd and that she would be safe. He said I know we already checked it out. Then his daughter showed up and she was ready to bum rush the bridge, but mom took her home to watch the live feed. Then I take the train to Liberty and while 400 are being arrested the park is still packed! Everybody tries to play us down, but how many movements can spin off march after march after march, and still have more people at the end? On 10/02/11, Doug Singsen<dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2011/10/01/2011-1001_dozens_arrested_at_occupy_wall_street_protest_brooklyn_bridge_shut_down_.html? r=topnews http://www.nydailynews.com/nydn/poll.do? pollCmsUniqueId=20111001_occupying_wall_street&pollTitle=Occupying+Wall+Street&pollQ uestion=Do+you+agree+with+the+protesters%3F&voteExpirationDate=&option_labels=Yes% 2C+it%27s+a+great+cause.%3BNo%2C+they+don%27t+know+what+they%27re+fighting+for .%3BI%27m+not+sure.&20111001_occupying_wall_street=1&vote=vote
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Luis Moreno-Caballud september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] 74% of Daily News readers say OccupyWallSt is "a great cause" Sunday, October 02, 2011 12:20:20 PM
Yes, I think it is crucial that the GA officially expresses it solidarity with the October2011 movement that is going to start in Washington. We are the same. Let's take it to the GA, let's all chant Occupy DC!, let's make a video and spread it, so that everyone knows that no one owns this movement, that is really the movement of the 99%! On Oct 2, 2011, at 12:04 PM, gail zawacki wrote: Don't know if you've seen this: http://current.com/shows/countdown/videos/october2011-orgs-kevinzeese-on-his-groups-affinity-with-occupy-wall-street On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 11:58 AM, Vicente Rubio <vrubiopu@gmail.com> wrote: +1000000 2011/10/2 Luis Moreno-Caballud <morenocaballud@yahoo.es> Yes! For me the key moment is going to be when that "non-activist" people feel at home in the movement and start working. If we achieve that, things could really change. On Oct 2, 2011, at 8:56 AM, jemcgloin@verizon.net wrote:
Wow we must be doing something right. We need to demand that they all get on the street. Liking us is important but not enough. Yesterday, I was in Brooklyn and ended up at the Brooklyn side of the bridge, watching all the cops. A middle aged guy standing next to me said, its Occupy Wall St. I asked him what he thought. He said he supports it 100%, and that his daughter is so into that she shaved her head and wants to go sleep there. I told him its a great crowd and that she would be safe. He said I know we already checked it out. Then his daughter showed up and she was ready to bum rush the bridge, but mom took her home to watch the live feed. Then I take the train to Liberty and while 400 are being arrested the park is still packed! Everybody tries to play us down, but how many movements can spin off march after march after march, and still have more people at the end? On 10/02/11, Doug Singsen<dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2011/10/01/2011-1001_dozens_arrested_at_occupy_wall_street_protest_brooklyn_bridge_shut_do wn_.html?r=topnews
http://www.nydailynews.com/nydn/poll.do? pollCmsUniqueId=20111001_occupying_wall_street&pollTitle=Occupying+Wall +Street&pollQuestion=Do+you+agree+with+the+protesters%3F&voteExpiratio nDate=&option_labels=Yes%2C+it%27s+a+great+cause.%3BNo%2C+they+d on%27t+know+what+they%27re+fighting+for.%3BI%27m+not+sure.&2011100 1_occupying_wall_street=1&vote=vote
From: To: Subject: Date: september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] 74% of Daily News readers say OccupyWallSt is "a great cause" Sunday, October 02, 2011 12:26:12 PM
Absolutely On Oct 2, 2011 12:20 PM, "Luis Moreno-Caballud" <morenocaballud@yahoo.es> wrote: > Yes, I think it is crucial that the GA officially expresses it solidarity with the October2011 movement that is going to start in Washington. We are the same. Let's take it to the GA, let's all chant Occupy DC!, let's make a video and spread it, so that everyone knows that no one owns this movement, that is really the movement of the 99%! > > > On Oct 2, 2011, at 12:04 PM, gail zawacki wrote: > >> Don't know if you've seen this: >> >> http://current.com/shows/countdown/videos/october2011-orgs-kevin-zeese-on-his-groups-affinity-with-occupy-wall-street >> >> On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 11:58 AM, Vicente Rubio <vrubiopu@gmail.com> wrote: >> +1000000 >> >> >> 2011/10/2 Luis Moreno-Caballud <morenocaballud@yahoo.es> >> Yes! For me the key moment is going to be when that "non-activist" people feel at home in the movement and start working. If we achieve that, things could really change. >> >> >> On Oct 2, 2011, at 8:56 AM, jemcgloin@verizon.net wrote: >> >>> Wow we must be doing something right. We need to demand that they all get on the street. Liking us is important but not enough. >>> Yesterday, I was in Brooklyn and ended up at the Brooklyn side of the bridge, watching all the cops. A middle aged guy standing next to me said, its Occupy Wall St. I asked him what he thought. He said he supports it 100%, and that his daughter is so into that she shaved her head and wants to go sleep there. I told him its a great crowd and that she would be safe. He said I know we already checked it out. Then his daughter showed up and she was ready to bum rush the bridge, but mom took her home to watch the live feed. >>> >>> Then I take the train to Liberty and while 400 are being arrested the park is still packed! >>> >>> Everybody tries to play us down, but how many movements can spin off march after march after march, and still have more people at the end? >>> On 10/02/11, Doug Singsen<dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: >>> http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2011/10/01/2011-10-01_dozens_arrested_at_occupy_wall_street_protest_brooklyn_bridge_shut_down_.html?r=topnews >>> >>> http://www.nydailynews.com/nydn/poll.do? pollCmsUniqueId=20111001_occupying_wall_street&pollTitle=Occupying+Wall+Street&pollQuestion=Do+you+agree+with+the+protesters%3F&voteExpirationDate=&option_labels=Yes%2C+it%27s+a+great+cause.%3BNo%2C+they+don%27t+know+what+they%27re+fighting+for.%3BI%27m+not+sure.&20111001_occupying_wall_street=1&vote=vote >> >> >> >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of gail zawacki september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] 74% of Daily News readers say OccupyWallSt is "a great cause" Sunday, October 02, 2011 12:29:01 PM
There is even an Occupy Kansas City! Now you know it's going mainstream... http://www.youtube.com/user/MetaphorMediaKC?email=share_youtube_user On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 12:20 PM, Luis Moreno-Caballud <morenocaballud@yahoo.es> wrote: Yes, I think it is crucial that the GA officially expresses it solidarity with the October2011 movement that is going to start in Washington. We are the same. Let's take it to the GA, let's all chant Occupy DC!, let's make a video and spread it, so that everyone knows that no one owns this movement, that is really the movement of the 99%! On Oct 2, 2011, at 12:04 PM, gail zawacki wrote: Don't know if you've seen this: http://current.com/shows/countdown/videos/october2011-orgs-kevinzeese-on-his-groups-affinity-with-occupy-wall-street On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 11:58 AM, Vicente Rubio <vrubiopu@gmail.com> wrote: +1000000 2011/10/2 Luis Moreno-Caballud <morenocaballud@yahoo.es> Yes! For me the key moment is going to be when that "nonactivist" people feel at home in the movement and start working. If we achieve that, things could really change. On Oct 2, 2011, at 8:56 AM, jemcgloin@verizon.net wrote:
Wow we must be doing something right. We need to demand that they all get on the street. Liking us is important but not enough. Yesterday, I was in Brooklyn and ended up at the Brooklyn side of the bridge, watching all the cops. A middle aged guy standing next to me said, its Occupy Wall St. I asked him what he thought. He said he supports it 100%, and that his daughter is so into that she shaved her head and wants to go sleep there. I told him its a great crowd and that she would be safe. He said I know we already checked it out. Then his daughter showed up and she was ready to bum rush the bridge, but mom took her home to watch the live feed. Then I take the train to Liberty and while 400 are being arrested the park is still packed! Everybody tries to play us down, but how many movements can spin off
march after march after march, and still have more people at the end? On 10/02/11, Doug Singsen<dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2011/10/01/2011-1001_dozens_arrested_at_occupy_wall_street_protest_brooklyn_bridge_shut _down_.html?r=topnews http://www.nydailynews.com/nydn/poll.do? pollCmsUniqueId=20111001_occupying_wall_street&pollTitle=Occupying+ Wall+Street&pollQuestion=Do+you+agree+with+the+protesters%3F&voteEx pirationDate=&option_labels=Yes%2C+it%27s+a+great+cause.%3BNo%2C +they+don%27t+know+what+they%27re+fighting+for.%3BI%27m+not+sure. &20111001_occupying_wall_street=1&vote=vote
From: To: Subject: Date: september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] 74% of Daily News readers say OccupyWallSt is "a great cause" Sunday, October 02, 2011 12:30:31 PM
In case any of u have any doubt we r totally gonna win this thing... happy sunday On Oct 2, 2011 12:28 PM, "gail zawacki" <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: > There is even an Occupy Kansas City! Now you know it's going mainstream... > http://www.youtube.com/user/MetaphorMediaKC?email=share_youtube_user > > On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 12:20 PM, Luis Moreno-Caballud < > morenocaballud@yahoo.es> wrote: > >> Yes, I think it is crucial that the GA officially expresses it solidarity >> with the October2011 movement that is going to start in Washington. We are >> the same. Let's take it to the GA, let's all chant Occupy DC!, let's make a >> video and spread it, so that everyone knows that no one owns this movement, >> that is really the movement of the 99%! >> >> >> On Oct 2, 2011, at 12:04 PM, gail zawacki wrote: >> >> Don't know if you've seen this: >> >> >> http://current.com/shows/countdown/videos/october2011-orgs-kevin-zeese-on-his-groups-affinity-with-occupy-wall-street >> >> On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 11:58 AM, Vicente Rubio <vrubiopu@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> +1000000 >>> >>> >>> 2011/10/2 Luis Moreno-Caballud <morenocaballud@yahoo.es> >>> >>>> Yes! For me the key moment is going to be when that "non-activist" people >>>> feel at home in the movement and start working. If we achieve that, things >>>> could really change. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Oct 2, 2011, at 8:56 AM, jemcgloin@verizon.net wrote: >>>> >>>> Wow we must be doing something right. We need to demand that they >>>> all get on the street. Liking us is important but not enough. >>>> Yesterday, I was in Brooklyn and ended up at the Brooklyn side of the >>>> bridge, watching all the cops. A middle aged guy standing next to me said, >>>> its Occupy Wall St. I asked him what he thought. He said he supports it >>>> 100%, and that his daughter is so into that she shaved her head and wants to >>>> go sleep there. I told him its a great crowd and that she would be safe. >>>> He said I know we already checked it out. Then his daughter showed up and >>>> she was ready to bum rush the bridge, but mom took her home to watch the >>>> live feed. >>>> >>>> Then I take the train to Liberty and while 400 are being arrested the >>>> park is still packed! >>>> >>>> Everybody tries to play us down, but how many movements can spin off >>>> march after march after march, and still have more people at the end? >>>> On 10/02/11, Doug Singsen<dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2011/10/01/2011-10-01_dozens_arrested_at_occupy_wall_street_protest_brooklyn_bridge_shut_down_.html?r=topnews >>>> >>>> >>>> http://www.nydailynews.com/nydn/poll.do? pollCmsUniqueId=20111001_occupying_wall_street&pollTitle=Occupying+Wall+Street&pollQuestion=Do+you+agree+with+the+protesters%3F&voteExpirationDate=&option_labels=Yes%2C+it%27s+a+great+cause.%3BNo%2C+they+don%27t+know+what+they%27re+fighting+for.%3BI%27m+not+sure.&20111001_occupying_wall_street=1&vote=vote >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >>
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Luis Moreno-Caballud september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] 74% of Daily News readers say OccupyWallSt is "a great cause" Sunday, October 02, 2011 9:16:46 AM
Yes! For me the key moment is going to be when that "non-activist" people feel at home in the movement and start working. If we achieve that, things could really change. On Oct 2, 2011, at 8:56 AM, jemcgloin@verizon.net wrote:
Wow we must be doing something right. We need to demand that they all get on the street. Liking us is important but not enough. Yesterday, I was in Brooklyn and ended up at the Brooklyn side of the bridge, watching all the cops. A middle aged guy standing next to me said, its Occupy Wall St. I asked him what he thought. He said he supports it 100%, and that his daughter is so into that she shaved her head and wants to go sleep there. I told him its a great crowd and that she would be safe. He said I know we already checked it out. Then his daughter showed up and she was ready to bum rush the bridge, but mom took her home to watch the live feed. Then I take the train to Liberty and while 400 are being arrested the park is still packed! Everybody tries to play us down, but how many movements can spin off march after march after march, and still have more people at the end? On 10/02/11, Doug Singsen<dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2011/10/01/2011-1001_dozens_arrested_at_occupy_wall_street_protest_brooklyn_bridge_shut_down_.html? r=topnews http://www.nydailynews.com/nydn/poll.do? pollCmsUniqueId=20111001_occupying_wall_street&pollTitle=Occupying+Wall+Street&pollQuestio n=Do+you+agree+with+the+protesters%3F&voteExpirationDate=&option_labels=Yes%2C+it%27s +a+great+cause.%3BNo%2C+they+don%27t+know+what+they%27re+fighting+for.%3BI%27m+no t+sure.&20111001_occupying_wall_street=1&vote=vote
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Amin Husain september17@googlegroups.com september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] All working groups setting up tables during the day Sunday, October 02, 2011 2:11:36 PM
Nice ideas! On Oct 2, 2011, at 2:08 PM, Babak K <bkarimi17@gmail.com> wrote: Hey everyone, During the last 4-5 days, the crowd in the space has really swelled. Julien from outreach was able to get a table for that working group and get more people to sign up. Just as a suggestion...if as many working groups as possible had tables up with informational pamphlets, sign up sheets, schedules of meetings/events, we can mobilize a lot of passersby. A lot of my friends are walking through not sure of what exactly they can participate with since its hard to run into working groups. Also for ongoing ows activists, its a good place to touch base and get updated. The other benefit is that if the tables are lined around each other, we can also better coordinate events with one another during the day. If possible, replicate the media group by having a generator and computers to continue work at the space as well. This can really amplify our presence city-wide instead of just at the square. And when we get a group of new committed people in a working group, to start mobilizing and moving people from the square into communities (outreach, showing up in solidarity to various events, speaking events, publicizing...). For years nothing has happened, and in weeks we're making almost everything happen! Lets keep building on the momentum!!!!! thanks, babak On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 1:37 PM, Winter Siroco <wintersiroco@gmail.com> wrote: There is also this Daily News video " NYPD video: Occupy Wall Street protesters at Brooklyn
Bridge warned they could be arrested"
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2011/10/02/2011-1002_nypd_video_shows_cops_warning_occupy_wall_street_protesters_they_could_be_arrest.html#ixzz1ZeAnzo26 Cesar
On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 12:44 PM, hextic <willgauss@gmail.com> wrote: I have taken the Youtube video and downloaded it, and stored it in several secure locations. Let me know if you need it. On Oct 2, 10:11 am, "J.A. Myerson" <jesse.myer...@gmail.com> wrote: > ...footage of police complicity as protesters entered the roadway? This > looks like it will prove critical. > > JAM
> > -> J.A. Myersonhttp://www.jamyerson.com > 347.688.0241
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Will Gauss september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] ATTN TWEETERS: Tomorrow"s march moved to Foley Square--correct yr info! Tuesday, October 04, 2011 6:39:43 PM
Capitulating to these unconstitutional demands for permits grants these ridiculous laws unjust legitimacy and is an immense disservice to our movement. I present a veto to this move absent a real reason. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 4, 2011, at 6:35 PM, Conor Toms Reed <conortomasreed@gmail.com> wrote: Hello, OWS twitter-squad. Please update your info tweets to note that the mass 4:30pm rally tomorrow at City Hall Park has been moved to Foley Square so it can be given a marching permit (i.e. essentially no risk of arrest). https://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=282473051782707 thanks! -Conor
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jackie DiSalvo september17@googlegroups.com RE: [september17discuss] Brooklyn Church coming to #OccupyWallStreet Wednesday, October 05, 2011 12:17:55 PM
Is that Jitu Weusis congreagation, should notify People of Color Outreach Working Group
From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of J Wedes Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 11:59 AM To: september17 Subject: [september17discuss] Brooklyn Church coming to #OccupyWallStreet
The Reverend Elizabeth Butler, of the Church of New Beginnings in Brownsville, will be leading a multi-denominational service at 1pm, Sunday Oct. 10 in #LibertyPlaza -justin
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] daily morning head count Wednesday, October 05, 2011 8:52:08 PM
6am Sept 18th I counted 215 sleepers and beds
On 10/05/11, Harrison Schultz<schuh072@gmail.com> wrote: Comrades, I've been "sneaking" in to camp each morning and taking a daily headcount using three hand clickers. I've been recording all three scores and averaging them out to get a more "accurate" number. Once I've collected enough of this data I'm going to overlay it with what we have on occupywallst.org in an attempt to start creating the "virtual flux reports" Ale and I were talking about. I was wondering if there's a good place I can post the spreadsheet like google docs, for anyone else who might find this data useful. See you all on the march! Harrison
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com schuh072@newschool.edu Re: [september17discuss] daily morning head count Wednesday, October 05, 2011 1:59:19 PM
I would love that-- please upload it as a public google doc with you as the only editor.... we can use it to distribute information outside of the MSM. gracias Harrison-- and great work on the MSNBC interview! On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 1:37 PM, Harrison Schultz <schuh072@gmail.com> wrote: > Comrades, > > I've been "sneaking" in to camp each morning and taking a daily > headcount using three hand clickers. I've been recording all three > scores and averaging them out to get a more "accurate" number. Once > I've collected enough of this data I'm going to overlay it with what > we have on occupywallst.org in an attempt to start creating the > "virtual flux reports" Ale and I were talking about. > > I was wondering if there's a good place I can post the spreadsheet > like google docs, for anyone else who might find this data useful. > > See you all on the march! > > Harrison
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of J Wedes september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Declaration of the Occupation of New York City [official] Sunday, October 02, 2011 2:26:16 PM
is this tweetable from @occupywallstnyc? -j On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 2:18 PM, Amin Husain <amin.husain@gmail.com> wrote: There was no demands meeting. There was a principles of solidarity meeting. On Oct 2, 2011, at 9:19 AM, jemcgloin@verizon.net wrote:
I am wondering if you guys ever met on the demands thing, and if you did what you talked about. John
On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 9:21 AM, Amin Husain <amin.husain@gmail.com> wrote: I am not sure. We can meet today in the afternoon before the march after 12, if you and others are free. I could also explain how this fits into the demands discussion that is ongoing and how it's evolving.
On Sep 30, 2011, at 5:30 AM, Drew <dhornbein@gmail.com> wrote: http://nycga.cc/2011/09/30/declaration-of-the-occupation-ofnew-york-city/ spread this far and wide! Short code: http://nycga.cc/?p=780 print for saturday
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Amin Husain september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Declaration of the Occupation of New York City [official] Sunday, October 02, 2011 2:55:21 PM
From my end sure On Oct 2, 2011, at 2:25 PM, J Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: is this tweetable from @occupywallstnyc? -j On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 2:18 PM, Amin Husain <amin.husain@gmail.com> wrote: There was no demands meeting. There was a principles of solidarity meeting. On Oct 2, 2011, at 9:19 AM, jemcgloin@verizon.net wrote:
On Sep 30, 2011, at 5:30 AM, Drew <dhornbein@gmail.com> wrote: http://nycga.cc/2011/09/30/declaration-of-theoccupation-of-new-york-city/ spread this far and wide! Short code: http://nycga.cc/?p=780 print for saturday
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Amin Husain september17@googlegroups.com september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Declaration of the Occupation of New York City [official] Sunday, October 02, 2011 4:33:51 PM
Finalized the third iteration. On agenda tomorrow night. On Oct 2, 2011, at 4:30 PM, jemcgloin@verizon.net wrote:
Ok thats good. What happened?
On 10/02/11, Amin Husain<amin.husain@gmail.com> wrote: There was no demands meeting. There was a principles of solidarity meeting. On Oct 2, 2011, at 9:19 AM, jemcgloin@verizon.net wrote: I am wondering if you guys ever met on the demands thing, and if you did what you talked about. John
On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 9:15 AM, Amin Husain <amin.husain@gmail.com> wrote:
The working group on principles of solidarity has the document printed to be put before the GA to discuss and reach consensus. If time permits, that may be today. On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 9:04 AM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: I'd love to. When and where is the group that is working on demands and points of solidarity meeting?
On Sep 30, 2011, at 5:30 AM, Drew <dhornbein@gmail.com> wrote: http://nycga.cc/2011/09/30/declaration-of-theoccupation-of-new-york-city/ spread this far and wide! Short code: http://nycga.cc/?p=780 print for saturday
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Amin Husain september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Declaration of the Occupation of New York City [official] Sunday, October 02, 2011 7:04:49 PM
No On Oct 2, 2011, at 6:35 PM, jemcgloin@verizon.net wrote:

Is it on the website?
On 10/02/11, Amin Husain<amin.husain@gmail.com> wrote: Finalized the third iteration. On agenda tomorrow night. On Oct 2, 2011, at 4:30 PM, jemcgloin@verizon.net wrote: Ok thats good. What happened?
On 10/02/11, Amin Husain<amin.husain@gmail.com> wrote: There was no demands meeting. There was a principles of solidarity meeting. On Oct 2, 2011, at 9:19 AM, jemcgloin@verizon.net wrote: I am wondering if you guys ever met on the demands thing, and if you did what you talked about. John
On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 9:21 AM, Amin Husain <amin.husain@gmail.com> wrote: I am not sure. We can meet today in the afternoon before the march after 12, if you and others are free. I could also explain how this fits into the demands discussion that is on-going and
how it's evolving.
On Sep 30, 2011, at 5:30 AM, Drew <dhornbein@gmail.com> wrote: http://nycga.cc/2011/09/30/declarationof-the-occupation-of-new-yorkcity/ spread this far and wide! Short code: http://nycga.cc/?p=780 print for saturday
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of shaista husain september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Declaration of the Occupation of New York City [official] Sunday, October 02, 2011 9:40:54 PM
With all due respect, Reading the Principles of Solidarity, it is disturbing to me that the concern for the rights of animals is mentioned, but immigrants rights are forgotten, and what about those stuck in guantanamo without due process tortured worse than animals, these are human beings. What happened to Civil Liberties--if we are to address democracy at all, how about some basic liberal rights we have lost in the War on Terror. I am in need of more solidarity on the international front. Please if you can add this I would feel less disenfranchised from these principles of solidarity. I gleefully worked the food booth, I am so happy to be part of this movement, in that we can negate the logic of greed in our everyday practice, on the ground, we can show this city that we can provide free food through donation, this is a revolutionary principle and am so grateful that i can be part of this. This is a principle of solidarity that is learned through the occupation, that we are not "jobless frustrated youth with nothing to do" that we are willing to work, and work hard for "revolution." Please consider adding this to the the Principles of Solidarity with the poor, disenfranchised, with the destitute and the the victims of WALL STREET. but we must never forget that there are worse victims than us, the victims of the US gov't and its endless greed for power and war. Goldman Sachs and the bankers run wall street-; wall street runs our goverment, our goverment runs UN/NATO. There is no escaping this logic of power of a failed world system. The WORLD is WATCHING US--millions of victims of Wall Street everywhere in the world are expecting some good news from us, please let us STAND in solidarity with the overwhelming democratic and anti-austerity mobilizations from Tahrir to Wisconsin. It is imperative that we, NEW YORKERS, immigrants, make a clear call to stand in PRINCIPLED SOLIDARITY with global class war against war and against the capitalist class based here in WALL ST. for victims far worse than us in the global economy. Thank you and forgive the screaming, Shaista Husain
Shaista On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 7:20 PM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote: > Congratulations on this document, has it been approved by GA, ratified > by consensus? > Please may i add some feedback: I was reading down the list and very > excited by this point here, however, can we please make a case about > the torture of political prisoners as well as animals... There is > pelican bay hunger strike currently ongoing, as well as Guantano Bay
> torture waterboarding, etc as well secret detentions abroad (Bagram > etc in Afghanistan) can we please add human beings, the end of Patriot > Act and return of civil liberties in the same line as our concern for > animals. The War on Terror is a racist war that has dehumanized the > "enemy" most of whom do not even own a donkey. Please, considering the > recent Troy Davis case, it is imperative to defend the rights of > prisoners and denounce this unjust penal (domestic) and international > military police state--even in the same line as with animal rights, if > need be. > Thank you, > Shaista Husain > > "They have profited off of the torture, confinement, and cruel > treatment of countless animals, and actively hide these practices." > > > > On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 5:30 AM, Drew <dhornbein@gmail.com> wrote: >> http://nycga.cc/2011/09/30/declaration-of-the-occupation-of-new-york-city/ >> >> spread this far and wide! Short code: http://nycga.cc/?p=780 >> print for saturday >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Winter Siroco september17@googlegroups.com David DeGraw Re: [september17discuss] Declaration of the Occupation of New York City [official] Monday, October 03, 2011 7:34:46 AM
As we start to elaborate our discourse, we should also improve its process. The Principles of Solidarity was about to omit specific mention to immigration, racism, etc. while stressing some other issues. It was added at the last minute, and it would have been quite a flawed document without it. We should improve our organization and process on the ground and online to be sure that all voices are heard. Some of us mentioned yesterday that it would be a great idea to kick start the working group on Economics, and the call for the formation of this working group is planned to be raised today during the assemblies. This is about to be the most important theme for the Wall Street occupation, I guess and hope. We should learn from our mistakes of yesterday and bring together a diversity of motivated and knowledgeable people to deal with the economic problems and solutions. Cesar
On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 10:47 PM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote: Yes, sorry, i was quick to react, i apologize, yes, Declaration of Occupation--can be strengthened, while discrimination in the workplace is real, we can also show how race is central to the whole nature of capitalist hegemony in the world and not a by product or footnote but a global systemic problem.. I propose a working group on Economics. We can also bring basic human rights questions to the fore, not just domestic rights that have been usurped by Patriot Act and the liquidation of our Civil Liberties--but we can take the opportunity to fully implicate NATO/United Nations in our protest against wall street, implicate Washington DC directly in our demonstrations, so that the distance between Wall Street, Pentagon/ White House and the United Nations/NATO is unveiled and exposed and made clear to all, that we are addressing the heart of the matter, geopolitically, WE ARE FULLY aware of our situation on the map. As victims of wall street we must stand in solidarity with millions of victims abroad, our numbers increase exponentially when we speak from this position. We can elucidate on the points you made in the Declaration through a working group, gather more information, put forward these issues for further discussion and show the world that we can provide democratic solutions in respect of our position in this global system... That we are serious about taking back our economy from ruthless and stupid greedy warmongers and we can arise at intelligent solutions. Obama was hired to do this work but he does not work for us. We say food not bomb, education not more prisons. end of global system of racism. we have nothing to lose and a whole sustainable earth to gain. In international solidarity, Shaista
On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 9:51 PM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: > I agree that those elements could be strengthened in that statement, but > what you're talking about is the Declaration of the Occupation, not the > Principles of Solidarity. The latter is set to be discussed at tomorrow > night's GA and I believe does contain points related to immigration and > imperialism. The text hasn't been circulated on the internet in draft form > in order to avoid it being spread all over before the GA approves it. And > the Declaration does have some mention of racism and imperialism, although I > agree they could be augmented and strengthened: > > They have perpetuated inequality and discrimination in the workplace based > on age, the color of ones skin, sex, gender identity and sexual > orientation. > > They have perpetuated colonialism at home and abroad. They have participated > in the torture and murder of innocent civilians overseas. > > Doug S > > > On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 9:40 PM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> With all due respect, >> Reading the Principles of Solidarity, it is disturbing to me that the >> concern for the rights of animals is mentioned, but immigrants rights >> are forgotten, and what about those stuck in guantanamo without due >> process tortured worse than animals, these are human beings. What >> happened to Civil Liberties--if we are to address democracy at all, >> how about some basic liberal rights we have lost in the War on Terror. >> >> I am in need of more solidarity on the international front. >> >> Please if you can add this I would feel less disenfranchised from >> these principles of solidarity. I gleefully worked the food booth, I >> am so happy to be part of this movement, in that we can negate the >> logic of greed in our everyday practice, on the ground, we can show >> this city that we can provide free food through donation, this is a >> revolutionary principle and am so grateful that i can be part of this. >> This is a principle of solidarity that is learned through the >> occupation, that we are not "jobless frustrated youth with nothing to >> do" that we are willing to work, and work hard for "revolution." >> >> Please consider adding this to the the Principles of Solidarity with >> the poor, disenfranchised, with the destitute and the the victims of >> WALL STREET. but we must never forget that there are worse victims >> than us, the victims of the US gov't and its endless greed for power >> and war. >> >> Goldman Sachs and the bankers run wall street-; wall street runs our >> goverment, our goverment runs UN/NATO. There is no escaping this logic >> of power of a failed world system. >>
>> The WORLD is WATCHING US--millions of victims of Wall Street >> everywhere in the world are expecting some good news from us, please >> let us STAND in solidarity with the overwhelming democratic and >> anti-austerity mobilizations from Tahrir to Wisconsin. It is >> imperative that we, NEW YORKERS, immigrants, make a clear call to >> stand in PRINCIPLED SOLIDARITY with global class war against war and >> against the capitalist class based here in WALL ST. for victims far >> worse than us in the global economy. >> >> Thank you and forgive the screaming, >> Shaista Husain >> >> >> >> Shaista >> >> On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 7:20 PM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > Congratulations on this document, has it been approved by GA, ratified >> > by consensus? >> > Please may i add some feedback: I was reading down the list and very >> > excited by this point here, however, can we please make a case about >> > the torture of political prisoners as well as animals... There is >> > pelican bay hunger strike currently ongoing, as well as Guantano Bay >> > torture waterboarding, etc as well secret detentions abroad (Bagram >> > etc in Afghanistan) can we please add human beings, the end of Patriot >> > Act and return of civil liberties in the same line as our concern for >> > animals. The War on Terror is a racist war that has dehumanized the >> > "enemy" most of whom do not even own a donkey. Please, considering the >> > recent Troy Davis case, it is imperative to defend the rights of >> > prisoners and denounce this unjust penal (domestic) and international >> > military police state--even in the same line as with animal rights, if >> > need be. >> > Thank you, >> > Shaista Husain >> > >> > "They have profited off of the torture, confinement, and cruel >> > treatment of countless animals, and actively hide these practices." >> > >> > >> > >> > On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 5:30 AM, Drew <dhornbein@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> http://nycga.cc/2011/09/30/declaration-of-the-occupation-of-new-yorkcity/ >> >> >> >> spread this far and wide! Short code: http://nycga.cc/?p=780 >> >> print for saturday >> > > >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of shaista husain september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Declaration of the Occupation of New York City [official] Monday, October 03, 2011 4:20:46 PM
Cesar I concur and have been waiting for immigrant rights and race to become a part of the main dish for dinner and not some dessert. The issue of economic democracy, global democracy, these are central to our actions. The word Patriot Act can not be dismissed or ignored either. The erosion of our civil liberties is a direct result of the War on Terror. There are a huge number of people voicing this same concern, Cesar, and we would like to be part of your working group. IN solidarity, Shaista Husain On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 7:34 AM, Winter Siroco <wintersiroco@gmail.com> wrote: > As we start to elaborate our discourse, we should also improve its process. > The Principles of Solidarity was about to omit specific mention to > immigration, racism, etc. while stressing some other issues. It was added at > the last minute, and it would have been quite a flawed document without it. > We should improve our organization and process on the ground and online to > be sure that all voices are heard. > Some of us mentioned yesterday that it would be a great idea to kick start > the working group on Economics, and the call for the formation of this > working group is planned to be raised today during the assemblies. This is > about to be the most important theme for the Wall Street occupation, I guess > and hope. We should learn from our mistakes of yesterday and bring together > a diversity of motivated and knowledgeable people to deal with the economic > problems and solutions. > Cesar > > > On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 10:47 PM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> Yes, sorry, i was quick to react, i apologize, yes, Declaration of >> Occupation--can be strengthened, while discrimination in the workplace >> is real, we can also show how race is central to the whole nature of >> capitalist hegemony in the world and not a by product or footnote but >> a global systemic problem.. I propose a working group on Economics. >> We can also bring basic human rights questions to the fore, not just >> domestic rights that have been usurped by Patriot Act and the >> liquidation of our Civil Liberties--but we can take the opportunity to >> fully implicate NATO/United Nations in our protest against wall >> street, implicate Washington DC directly in our demonstrations, so >> that the distance between Wall Street, Pentagon/ White House and the >> United Nations/NATO is unveiled and exposed and made clear to all, >> that we are addressing the heart of the matter, geopolitically, WE ARE >> FULLY aware of our situation on the map. As victims of wall street we >> must stand in solidarity with millions of victims abroad, our numbers >> increase exponentially when we speak from this position. We can >> elucidate on the points you made in the Declaration through a working >> group, gather more information, put forward these issues for further >> discussion and show the world that we can provide democratic solutions >> in respect of our position in this global system... That we are >> serious about taking back our economy from ruthless and stupid greedy >> warmongers and we can arise at intelligent solutions. Obama was hired
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
to do this work but he does not work for us. We say food not bomb, education not more prisons. end of global system of racism. we have nothing to lose and a whole sustainable earth to gain. In international solidarity, Shaista On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 9:51 PM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: > I agree that those elements could be strengthened in that statement, but > what you're talking about is the Declaration of the Occupation, not the > Principles of Solidarity. The latter is set to be discussed at tomorrow > night's GA and I believe does contain points related to immigration and > imperialism. The text hasn't been circulated on the internet in draft > form > in order to avoid it being spread all over before the GA approves it. > And > the Declaration does have some mention of racism and imperialism, > although I > agree they could be augmented and strengthened: > > They have perpetuated inequality and discrimination in the workplace > based > on age, the color of ones skin, sex, gender identity and sexual > orientation. > > They have perpetuated colonialism at home and abroad. They have > participated > in the torture and murder of innocent civilians overseas. > > Doug S > > > On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 9:40 PM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> With all due respect, >> Reading the Principles of Solidarity, it is disturbing to me that the >> concern for the rights of animals is mentioned, but immigrants rights >> are forgotten, and what about those stuck in guantanamo without due >> process tortured worse than animals, these are human beings. What >> happened to Civil Liberties--if we are to address democracy at all, >> how about some basic liberal rights we have lost in the War on Terror. >> >> I am in need of more solidarity on the international front. >> >> Please if you can add this I would feel less disenfranchised from >> these principles of solidarity. I gleefully worked the food booth, I >> am so happy to be part of this movement, in that we can negate the >> logic of greed in our everyday practice, on the ground, we can show >> this city that we can provide free food through donation, this is a >> revolutionary principle and am so grateful that i can be part of this. >> This is a principle of solidarity that is learned through the >> occupation, that we are not "jobless frustrated youth with nothing to >> do" that we are willing to work, and work hard for "revolution." >> >> Please consider adding this to the the Principles of Solidarity with >> the poor, disenfranchised, with the destitute and the the victims of >> WALL STREET. but we must never forget that there are worse victims >> than us, the victims of the US gov't and its endless greed for power
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
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and war. Goldman Sachs and the bankers run wall street-; wall street runs our goverment, our goverment runs UN/NATO. There is no escaping this logic of power of a failed world system. The WORLD is WATCHING US--millions of victims of Wall Street everywhere in the world are expecting some good news from us, please let us STAND in solidarity with the overwhelming democratic and anti-austerity mobilizations from Tahrir to Wisconsin. It is imperative that we, NEW YORKERS, immigrants, make a clear call to stand in PRINCIPLED SOLIDARITY with global class war against war and against the capitalist class based here in WALL ST. for victims far worse than us in the global economy. Thank you and forgive the screaming, Shaista Husain
Shaista On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 7:20 PM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote: > Congratulations on this document, has it been approved by GA, > ratified > by consensus? > Please may i add some feedback: I was reading down the list and very > excited by this point here, however, can we please make a case about > the torture of political prisoners as well as animals... There is > pelican bay hunger strike currently ongoing, as well as Guantano Bay > torture waterboarding, etc as well secret detentions abroad (Bagram > etc in Afghanistan) can we please add human beings, the end of > Patriot > Act and return of civil liberties in the same line as our concern for > animals. The War on Terror is a racist war that has dehumanized the > "enemy" most of whom do not even own a donkey. Please, considering > the > recent Troy Davis case, it is imperative to defend the rights of > prisoners and denounce this unjust penal (domestic) and international > military police state--even in the same line as with animal rights, > if > need be. > Thank you, > Shaista Husain > > "They have profited off of the torture, confinement, and cruel > treatment of countless animals, and actively hide these practices." > > > > On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 5:30 AM, Drew <dhornbein@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> http://nycga.cc/2011/09/30/declaration-of-the-occupation-of-new-york-city/ >> >> spread this far and wide! Short code: http://nycga.cc/?p=780 >> print for saturday >
>> > >> > > >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of gail zawacki september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Declaration of the Occupation of New York City [official] Monday, October 03, 2011 5:11:31 PM
You might be interested in this material (if you haven't already come across it), from Move To Amend .org, a petition to remove corporate personhood, and free brochure download: http://movetoamend.org/outreach-materials On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 5:01 PM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote: May we call for this new group Economics or Global Democracy (named after your statement on Global Democracy, in last night;s GA) can we call the meeting on Tuesday at 3pm? or any time you feel... many many folks in the GA have expressed their need to join a group like this. Please lead the way. in solidarity, shaista On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 7:34 AM, Winter Siroco <wintersiroco@gmail.com> wrote: > As we start to elaborate our discourse, we should also improve its process. > The Principles of Solidarity was about to omit specific mention to > immigration, racism, etc. while stressing some other issues. It was added at > the last minute, and it would have been quite a flawed document without it. > We should improve our organization and process on the ground and online to > be sure that all voices are heard. > Some of us mentioned yesterday that it would be a great idea to kick start > the working group on Economics, and the call for the formation of this > working group is planned to be raised today during the assemblies. This is > about to be the most important theme for the Wall Street occupation, I guess > and hope. We should learn from our mistakes of yesterday and bring together > a diversity of motivated and knowledgeable people to deal with the economic > problems and solutions. > Cesar > > > On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 10:47 PM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> Yes, sorry, i was quick to react, i apologize, yes, Declaration of >> Occupation--can be strengthened, while discrimination in the workplace >> is real, we can also show how race is central to the whole nature of >> capitalist hegemony in the world and not a by product or footnote but >> a global systemic problem.. I propose a working group on Economics. >> We can also bring basic human rights questions to the fore, not just >> domestic rights that have been usurped by Patriot Act and the >> liquidation of our Civil Liberties--but we can take the opportunity to >> fully implicate NATO/United Nations in our protest against wall >> street, implicate Washington DC directly in our demonstrations, so >> that the distance between Wall Street, Pentagon/ White House and the >> United Nations/NATO is unveiled and exposed and made clear to all, >> that we are addressing the heart of the matter, geopolitically, WE ARE
>> FULLY aware of our situation on the map. As victims of wall street we >> must stand in solidarity with millions of victims abroad, our numbers >> increase exponentially when we speak from this position. We can >> elucidate on the points you made in the Declaration through a working >> group, gather more information, put forward these issues for further >> discussion and show the world that we can provide democratic solutions >> in respect of our position in this global system... That we are >> serious about taking back our economy from ruthless and stupid greedy >> warmongers and we can arise at intelligent solutions. Obama was hired >> to do this work but he does not work for us. We say food not bomb, >> education not more prisons. end of global system of racism. we have >> nothing to lose and a whole sustainable earth to gain. >> In international solidarity, >> Shaista >> >> >> On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 9:51 PM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > I agree that those elements could be strengthened in that statement, but >> > what you're talking about is the Declaration of the Occupation, not the >> > Principles of Solidarity. The latter is set to be discussed at tomorrow >> > night's GA and I believe does contain points related to immigration and >> > imperialism. The text hasn't been circulated on the internet in draft >> > form >> > in order to avoid it being spread all over before the GA approves it. >> > And >> > the Declaration does have some mention of racism and imperialism, >> > although I >> > agree they could be augmented and strengthened: >> > >> > They have perpetuated inequality and discrimination in the workplace >> > based >> > on age, the color of ones skin, sex, gender identity and sexual >> > orientation. >> > >> > They have perpetuated colonialism at home and abroad. They have >> > participated >> > in the torture and murder of innocent civilians overseas. >> > >> > Doug S >> > >> > >> > On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 9:40 PM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> With all due respect, >> >> Reading the Principles of Solidarity, it is disturbing to me that the >> >> concern for the rights of animals is mentioned, but immigrants rights >> >> are forgotten, and what about those stuck in guantanamo without due >> >> process tortured worse than animals, these are human beings. What >> >> happened to Civil Liberties--if we are to address democracy at all, >> >> how about some basic liberal rights we have lost in the War on Terror.
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I am in need of more solidarity on the international front. Please if you can add this I would feel less disenfranchised from these principles of solidarity. I gleefully worked the food booth, I am so happy to be part of this movement, in that we can negate the logic of greed in our everyday practice, on the ground, we can show this city that we can provide free food through donation, this is a revolutionary principle and am so grateful that i can be part of this. This is a principle of solidarity that is learned through the occupation, that we are not "jobless frustrated youth with nothing to do" that we are willing to work, and work hard for "revolution." Please consider adding this to the the Principles of Solidarity with the poor, disenfranchised, with the destitute and the the victims of WALL STREET. but we must never forget that there are worse victims than us, the victims of the US gov't and its endless greed for power and war. Goldman Sachs and the bankers run wall street-; wall street runs our goverment, our goverment runs UN/NATO. There is no escaping this logic of power of a failed world system. The WORLD is WATCHING US--millions of victims of Wall Street everywhere in the world are expecting some good news from us, please let us STAND in solidarity with the overwhelming democratic and anti-austerity mobilizations from Tahrir to Wisconsin. It is imperative that we, NEW YORKERS, immigrants, make a clear call to stand in PRINCIPLED SOLIDARITY with global class war against war and against the capitalist class based here in WALL ST. for victims far worse than us in the global economy. Thank you and forgive the screaming, Shaista Husain
Shaista On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 7:20 PM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote: > Congratulations on this document, has it been approved by GA, > ratified > by consensus? > Please may i add some feedback: I was reading down the list and very > excited by this point here, however, can we please make a case about > the torture of political prisoners as well as animals... There is > pelican bay hunger strike currently ongoing, as well as Guantano Bay > torture waterboarding, etc as well secret detentions abroad (Bagram > etc in Afghanistan) can we please add human beings, the end of > Patriot > Act and return of civil liberties in the same line as our concern for
>> >> > animals. The War on Terror is a racist war that has dehumanized the >> >> > "enemy" most of whom do not even own a donkey. Please, considering >> >> > the >> >> > recent Troy Davis case, it is imperative to defend the rights of >> >> > prisoners and denounce this unjust penal (domestic) and international >> >> > military police state--even in the same line as with animal rights, >> >> > if >> >> > need be. >> >> > Thank you, >> >> > Shaista Husain >> >> > >> >> > "They have profited off of the torture, confinement, and cruel >> >> > treatment of countless animals, and actively hide these practices." >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 5:30 AM, Drew <dhornbein@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://nycga.cc/2011/09/30/declaration-of-the-occupation-of-newyork-city/ >> >> >> >> >> >> spread this far and wide! Short code: http://nycga.cc/?p=780 >> >> >> print for saturday >> >> > >> > >> > > >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of shaista husain september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Declaration of the Occupation of New York City [official] Monday, October 03, 2011 5:01:28 PM
May we call for this new group Economics or Global Democracy (named after your statement on Global Democracy, in last night;s GA) can we call the meeting on Tuesday at 3pm? or any time you feel... many many folks in the GA have expressed their need to join a group like this. Please lead the way. in solidarity, shaista On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 7:34 AM, Winter Siroco <wintersiroco@gmail.com> wrote: > As we start to elaborate our discourse, we should also improve its process. > The Principles of Solidarity was about to omit specific mention to > immigration, racism, etc. while stressing some other issues. It was added at > the last minute, and it would have been quite a flawed document without it. > We should improve our organization and process on the ground and online to > be sure that all voices are heard. > Some of us mentioned yesterday that it would be a great idea to kick start > the working group on Economics, and the call for the formation of this > working group is planned to be raised today during the assemblies. This is > about to be the most important theme for the Wall Street occupation, I guess > and hope. We should learn from our mistakes of yesterday and bring together > a diversity of motivated and knowledgeable people to deal with the economic > problems and solutions. > Cesar > > > On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 10:47 PM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> Yes, sorry, i was quick to react, i apologize, yes, Declaration of >> Occupation--can be strengthened, while discrimination in the workplace >> is real, we can also show how race is central to the whole nature of >> capitalist hegemony in the world and not a by product or footnote but >> a global systemic problem.. I propose a working group on Economics. >> We can also bring basic human rights questions to the fore, not just >> domestic rights that have been usurped by Patriot Act and the >> liquidation of our Civil Liberties--but we can take the opportunity to >> fully implicate NATO/United Nations in our protest against wall >> street, implicate Washington DC directly in our demonstrations, so >> that the distance between Wall Street, Pentagon/ White House and the >> United Nations/NATO is unveiled and exposed and made clear to all, >> that we are addressing the heart of the matter, geopolitically, WE ARE >> FULLY aware of our situation on the map. As victims of wall street we >> must stand in solidarity with millions of victims abroad, our numbers >> increase exponentially when we speak from this position. We can >> elucidate on the points you made in the Declaration through a working >> group, gather more information, put forward these issues for further >> discussion and show the world that we can provide democratic solutions >> in respect of our position in this global system... That we are >> serious about taking back our economy from ruthless and stupid greedy >> warmongers and we can arise at intelligent solutions. Obama was hired >> to do this work but he does not work for us. We say food not bomb, >> education not more prisons. end of global system of racism. we have >> nothing to lose and a whole sustainable earth to gain.
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In international solidarity, Shaista On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 9:51 PM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: > I agree that those elements could be strengthened in that statement, but > what you're talking about is the Declaration of the Occupation, not the > Principles of Solidarity. The latter is set to be discussed at tomorrow > night's GA and I believe does contain points related to immigration and > imperialism. The text hasn't been circulated on the internet in draft > form > in order to avoid it being spread all over before the GA approves it. > And > the Declaration does have some mention of racism and imperialism, > although I > agree they could be augmented and strengthened: > > They have perpetuated inequality and discrimination in the workplace > based > on age, the color of ones skin, sex, gender identity and sexual > orientation. > > They have perpetuated colonialism at home and abroad. They have > participated > in the torture and murder of innocent civilians overseas. > > Doug S > > > On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 9:40 PM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> With all due respect, >> Reading the Principles of Solidarity, it is disturbing to me that the >> concern for the rights of animals is mentioned, but immigrants rights >> are forgotten, and what about those stuck in guantanamo without due >> process tortured worse than animals, these are human beings. What >> happened to Civil Liberties--if we are to address democracy at all, >> how about some basic liberal rights we have lost in the War on Terror. >> >> I am in need of more solidarity on the international front. >> >> Please if you can add this I would feel less disenfranchised from >> these principles of solidarity. I gleefully worked the food booth, I >> am so happy to be part of this movement, in that we can negate the >> logic of greed in our everyday practice, on the ground, we can show >> this city that we can provide free food through donation, this is a >> revolutionary principle and am so grateful that i can be part of this. >> This is a principle of solidarity that is learned through the >> occupation, that we are not "jobless frustrated youth with nothing to >> do" that we are willing to work, and work hard for "revolution." >> >> Please consider adding this to the the Principles of Solidarity with >> the poor, disenfranchised, with the destitute and the the victims of >> WALL STREET. but we must never forget that there are worse victims >> than us, the victims of the US gov't and its endless greed for power >> and war. >> >> Goldman Sachs and the bankers run wall street-; wall street runs our
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >
goverment, our goverment runs UN/NATO. There is no escaping this logic of power of a failed world system. The WORLD is WATCHING US--millions of victims of Wall Street everywhere in the world are expecting some good news from us, please let us STAND in solidarity with the overwhelming democratic and anti-austerity mobilizations from Tahrir to Wisconsin. It is imperative that we, NEW YORKERS, immigrants, make a clear call to stand in PRINCIPLED SOLIDARITY with global class war against war and against the capitalist class based here in WALL ST. for victims far worse than us in the global economy. Thank you and forgive the screaming, Shaista Husain
Shaista On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 7:20 PM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote: > Congratulations on this document, has it been approved by GA, > ratified > by consensus? > Please may i add some feedback: I was reading down the list and very > excited by this point here, however, can we please make a case about > the torture of political prisoners as well as animals... There is > pelican bay hunger strike currently ongoing, as well as Guantano Bay > torture waterboarding, etc as well secret detentions abroad (Bagram > etc in Afghanistan) can we please add human beings, the end of > Patriot > Act and return of civil liberties in the same line as our concern for > animals. The War on Terror is a racist war that has dehumanized the > "enemy" most of whom do not even own a donkey. Please, considering > the > recent Troy Davis case, it is imperative to defend the rights of > prisoners and denounce this unjust penal (domestic) and international > military police state--even in the same line as with animal rights, > if > need be. > Thank you, > Shaista Husain > > "They have profited off of the torture, confinement, and cruel > treatment of countless animals, and actively hide these practices." > > > > On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 5:30 AM, Drew <dhornbein@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> http://nycga.cc/2011/09/30/declaration-of-the-occupation-of-new-york-city/ >> >> spread this far and wide! Short code: http://nycga.cc/?p=780 >> print for saturday >
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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Amin Husain september17@googlegroups.com september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Declaration of the Occupation of New York City [official] Sunday, October 02, 2011 2:21:15 PM
There was no demands meeting. There was a principles of solidarity meeting. On Oct 2, 2011, at 9:19 AM, jemcgloin@verizon.net wrote:
On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 9:21 AM, Amin Husain <amin.husain@gmail.com> wrote: I am not sure. We can meet today in the afternoon before the march after 12, if you and others are free. I could also explain how this fits into the demands discussion that is ongoing and how it's evolving.
On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 8:59 AM, Winter Siroco <wintersiroco@gmail.com> wrote: Doug, We should be able to modify our documents, and it would be wise to do so at this early stage. Indeed the points that you are raising are very important. I urge you to team with those interested and elaborate a modification that addresses the issues raised.
Cesar
On Sep 30, 2011, at 5:30 AM, Drew <dhornbein@gmail.com> wrote: http://nycga.cc/2011/09/30/declaration-of-the-occupation-ofnew-york-city/ spread this far and wide! Short code: http://nycga.cc/?p=780 print for saturday
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of shaista husain september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Direct Action committee is MIA?!? Monday, October 03, 2011 5:55:44 PM
You just announced it. THanks Doug! thats direct action! Tomorrow night! On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 5:50 PM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: > But they can still announce when and where the meeting will be. > > On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 5:39 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> yes-- I think that is why it has not been on the list, because they >> are wanting to have that conversation in person, off the internet for >> obvious reasons... >> >> On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 1:13 PM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > There hasn't been any response to repeated questions on the listserv >> > about >> > the next Direct Action committee meeting, and I can't find any info on >> > it on >> > the nycga or occupywallst websites either. We have two pressing >> > decisions >> > that need to be made: will we expand to another location, and what our >> > plans >> > are on Wednesday when the march reaches OWS. If there's no word from >> > Direct >> > Action soon, I think we should call a meeting of the committee tomorrow >> > night, because this stuff needs to be discussed in person asap. >> > >> > Doug >> > > >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of shaista husain september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Direct Action committee is MIA?!? Monday, October 03, 2011 6:12:59 PM
Can you also put on the calendar at the website, i am having trouble posting too. but i just read the minutes for the meeting today... On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 5:55 PM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote: > You just announced it. THanks Doug! thats direct action! Tomorrow night! > > On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 5:50 PM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: >> But they can still announce when and where the meeting will be. >> >> On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 5:39 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> yes-- I think that is why it has not been on the list, because they >>> are wanting to have that conversation in person, off the internet for >>> obvious reasons... >>> >>> On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 1:13 PM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> > There hasn't been any response to repeated questions on the listserv >>> > about >>> > the next Direct Action committee meeting, and I can't find any info on >>> > it on >>> > the nycga or occupywallst websites either. We have two pressing >>> > decisions >>> > that need to be made: will we expand to another location, and what our >>> > plans >>> > are on Wednesday when the march reaches OWS. If there's no word from >>> > Direct >>> > Action soon, I think we should call a meeting of the committee tomorrow >>> > night, because this stuff needs to be discussed in person asap. >>> > >>> > Doug >>> > >> >> >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Doug Singsen september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Direct Action committee is MIA?!? Monday, October 03, 2011 5:50:56 PM
But they can still announce when and where the meeting will be. On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 5:39 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: yes-- I think that is why it has not been on the list, because they are wanting to have that conversation in person, off the internet for obvious reasons... On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 1:13 PM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: > There hasn't been any response to repeated questions on the listserv about > the next Direct Action committee meeting, and I can't find any info on it on > the nycga or occupywallst websites either. We have two pressing decisions > that need to be made: will we expand to another location, and what our plans > are on Wednesday when the march reaches OWS. If there's no word from Direct > Action soon, I think we should call a meeting of the committee tomorrow > night, because this stuff needs to be discussed in person asap. > > Doug >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of shaistahusain@gmail.com september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Direct Participatory Democratic Network - WhereRevolution Streches in the Horizon Tuesday, October 04, 2011 6:59:47 PM
Yes Alexandre excellent points! Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From: "Alexandre Machado De Sant'Anna Carvalho" <ac3018@nyu.edu> Sender: september17@googlegroups.com Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 15:36:59 -0400 To: <september17@googlegroups.com> ReplyTo: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: [september17discuss] Direct Participatory Democratic Network - Where Revolution Streches in the Horizon Dear all; Talking toother people at Liberty Square,there is strong reason to believethat a good picture of what this occupation is all about has been conceptualized.This is something that maybeeveryone alreadyrecognized, intuitively or not. We are marching not necessarily for demands, but for value systems. We are marching for values. Values such as solidarity, emancipation, social justice, humanization, human rights, etc. In these values,that's where goals and demandsfit,butaboveall-THIS IS WHY WE MARCH! I'd like to share thisvision of the movement withthe broader collective. In the process, will attempt to (1) ditch the "one line demand meme", hopefully for good; (2) talk aboutwhat we are organically building-a Direct Participatory Democratic Networkand (3) subvert-appropriatethe "one line demand"meme to a "one line purpose" meme. Bear strong with me. It is a fun ride. For all those who have been following the developments inLiberty Square,we can observe thatthe General Assembly became aconvergence pointfordissentsocial movements. Here we have feminists, queer groups, environmental groups, anti-war groups,permaculture/foodies, anti-racism, antipolice brutality, pro-immigrants, human right activists, disabled body people, labor unions,animal rights and evenanimals themselves(dogs and cats so far, :-). Not to mention a broad setofpolitical orientations, such asmarxists, anarchists, liberals,etc etc. Allthese individuals,organizations, andsocial movements recognized the legitimacy ofthe square to voice out their suppressed viewsto the public inhope of building empathy for change; they are all sayingenough to representative democracy and areembracingdirect participatory democracy as a better way to share grievances, build solidarity,and solve
problems. Doing politics and life with people and not for people or despite people, which is the status quo of our politik so far. This is why we cannot, under any circumstances, narrow our increasinglybroad-based movement(and thus POWER) to a one linedemand. It is time to open possibilities, not close them. How can we leverage the power rallying attheGeneral Assemblies? How can we make sure that they sew together the strenghtofscattered social movementsinto an unstoppable force? Through the people'sDirect Participatory Democratic Network we are building. Let'sImagine, as Lennon would put it.General Assemblies at the communitylevel, at the city level, at state and national level, and finally atthe global level,working with each other,in conversation with each other, building solidarity together andcoordinating actions. All through physical means (offline) and virtual (online) means, maybe both.The imageof this processis a cluster of non-hierarchical, layer-based, General Assemblies, federated and collaborating in the shape of concentric circles. GA'swould havethe legitimacy to solve issuespertaining to their jurisdiction.So for instance, local level problems such as public school budget cuts would be resolved atOccupyNYC cluster of General Assemblies.National issues such asrenewable energy-based economy discussed and solvedbyouter rim ofGeneral Assemblies: OccupyOregon, OccupyNorthDakota, OccupyMassachusetts, etc. Global issues such as Climate Change orNeoliberal Capitalism discussed andfoughtat the lastouter layer (OccupyPlanet), in coordination with OccupySpain, OccupyGreece, OccupyBrazil, etc. Maybe we will soon realize that these old nation-state borders aren't even necessary anymore. And that iswhen wereally makehistory.It is abouta re-definition of borders, my dear friends,drawn by the peoplewith the people.Again, we are creating a non-hierarchical, layered Direct Participatory Democratic Network. A framework that even though layered, is still horizontal, much like ArcGIS (cartography software) maps. These conversations would need to happen in a transparent, collaborative,secure environmentthrough a open-sourceplatform where voices on the squares are amplified.Virtual participants must have equalvoice -someconstituents are inhospital beds for example. However, only the Direct Participatory Democratic Networkwon't make power bend.We need to invite power to change with the will of the people or clog the machine to make it bend, with people power,at precise tactical leverage points. For instance, and this is just an analogy to help clarify the point,(disclaimer forthe cops out there hearing this), if we have solid internal intel from employeesthat blood diamonds are being invested and traded throughChasebank institutionsat the Financial District, we build solidarity withsocial movements that oppose this absurdity and#OccupyChase to shut it down. If queer marriage is being blocked,
we seek solidarity withsocial movements that are in favour andfind tactical leverage points to turn the wheel towards legislation, policies, or whatever other demands those social movements have. The drafting of goals, demands or whetever should be primarily made by the social movements that are affected by the issue at hand.Who better to draft goals than the peopledirectly affected?Who are we to draft demands for thesesocial movements? We can though be in solidarityWITH them and not FOR them...until power yields. So again, we leverage in solidarity powerconverging atGeneral Assemblies and march. Whoever is in empathy with a particular cause, goal or demand(s) participates in the smarttactical actions developed topush for them. To build this direct participatory democratic network, absolute free speech is crucial,where all voices, including right wing voices, are welcome. Will this mean co-option? Not necessarily. How? This movement is notapolitical. It is not a neutral movement, as Brecht would agree,there is nothing apolitical in human affairs. This movement wasclearly born with aleftist revolutionary call.Rather than a single demand, we havea "one line purpose",under which all these dissent groupsincluding proenvironment and animal rights groups) rally around: we are ahumanstruggle against oppressionin all its forms. Alas, a "one line purpose". Domestic violence or neoliberal capitalism'sbiases and exclusions; human destruction of the biosphere; all forms of personal or impersonal oppression perpetrated by individuals, groups, corporations, banks, corrupted structures. we are a human struggle against oppression in all its forms. This is it seems whatwe've beendoing. The big picture. Where isradicalism,revolution? It isondirect, autonomous, inclusivedemocracy where voices are amplified and heard across miles,influencingmemes and coordinatingactions toemancipate the human race and the planet. A way to know we are successful? When power recognizes the legitimacy of the General Assembly constituency to speak for themselves and self-represent. THIS IS WHY WE MARCH. We march for values. Enough of Libert, Egalit, Fraternit. Rather, let'schant a new song: Humanization, Emancipation, Solidarity! Thoughts?
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of shaista husain september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Fwd: [Labor OWS] New York Metro Area Postal Union Endorses "Occupy Wall Street" Wednesday, October 05, 2011 9:10:49 AM
HURRAH excellent news, spread the word ! On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 8:59 AM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: ---------- Forwarded message ---------From: Chuck Zlatkin <chuckzlatkin@gmail.com> Date: Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 7:38 AM Subject: [Labor OWS] New York Metro Area Postal Union Endorses "Occupy Wall Street" To: Jackie DiSalvo <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com>, "gbasta@nycommunities.org" <gbasta@nycommunities.org>, labor-outreach-committee@googlegroups.com Cc: Jesse Alexander Myerson <jesse.myerson@gmail.com>, Marisa Holmes <marisaholmes@gmail.com>, Matt Renner <matthew43@gmail.com>, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com>, Duncan Meisel <duncan.meisel@gmail.com>
New York Metro Area Postal Union, APWU Endorses "Occupy Wall Street" and Will Participate in Today's Labor and Community March Official statement to follow. Yours in solidarity, Chuck -Chuck Zlatkin Legislative and Political Director New York Metro Area Postal Union, APWU, AFL-CIO 350 West 31st Street, 3rd floor New York, NY 10001 917-693-9427
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Gabriel Johnson september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Fwd: [NYCGA Internet] Important Info!!! *PLEASE LOOK@LINK* Tuesday, October 04, 2011 10:44:40 AM
I mean, as long as they don't catch on to how we're all controlled by the reptillians, we're still good. (Decent lolz from the crazy people; the guy's smoking gun at the end is the best. Distressingly reminiscent of other conspiracy theories I've seen actual people believing, though) --glj On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 10:27 AM, Amin Husain <amin.husain@gmail.com> wrote: the person that made this is such an idiot On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 10:16 AM, Drew Hornbein <dhornbein@gmail.com> wrote: An examination of the police radio from the BK bridge march. ---------- Forwarded message ---------Date: Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 4:18 AM Subject: [NYCGA Internet] Important Info!!! *PLEASE LOOK@LINK* To: internet_working_group@googlegroups.com http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1662412/pg1 I found this on glp about 10/1/2011! Thank's
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of J.A. Myerson september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Fwd: [NYCGA Internet] Important Info!!! *PLEASE LOOK@LINK* Tuesday, October 04, 2011 10:45:13 AM
It's amazing. PROOF we don't exist! JAM On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 10:27 AM, Amin Husain <amin.husain@gmail.com> wrote: the person that made this is such an idiot On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 10:16 AM, Drew Hornbein <dhornbein@gmail.com> wrote: An examination of the police radio from the BK bridge march. ---------- Forwarded message ---------Date: Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 4:18 AM Subject: [NYCGA Internet] Important Info!!! *PLEASE LOOK@LINK* To: internet_working_group@googlegroups.com http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1662412/pg1 I found this on glp about 10/1/2011! Thank's
-J.A. Myerson http://www.jamyerson.com 347.688.0241
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of J.A. Myerson september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Fwd: [NYCGA Internet] Important Info!!! *PLEASE LOOK@LINK* Tuesday, October 04, 2011 11:28:46 AM
But... but... but... there was obviously some sort of writing on the ground. That proves it, right? ... Right? JAM On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 11:00 AM, Will Gauss <willgauss@gmail.com> wrote: Wait, I'm an actor in a drill? Dammit they owe me my wages from those 6 hours in the van I want hazard pay! I'm almost tempted to go on there and introduce myself calmly and peacefully. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 4, 2011, at 10:33 AM, "J.A. Myerson" <jesse.myerson@gmail.com> wrote: It's amazing. PROOF we don't exist! JAM On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 10:27 AM, Amin Husain <amin.husain@gmail.com> wrote: the person that made this is such an idiot On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 10:16 AM, Drew Hornbein <dhornbein@gmail.com> wrote: An examination of the police radio from the BK bridge march. ---------- Forwarded message ---------Date: Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 4:18 AM Subject: [NYCGA Internet] Important Info!!! *PLEASE LOOK@LINK* To: internet_working_group@googlegroups.com http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1662412/pg1 I found this on glp about 10/1/2011! Thank's
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Matthew Presto september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Fwd: [NYCGA Internet] Important Info!!! *PLEASE LOOK@LINK* Tuesday, October 04, 2011 12:35:55 PM
It's well-documented that Occupy Wall Street is an inside job coordinated by freemasons in conjunction with the Vatican. Which reminds me, does anyone want to join the Fluoridation Working Group to put fluoride in the tap water so we can control everyone's minds and make them join the General Assembly?
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 11:26 AM, J.A. Myerson <jesse.myerson@gmail.com> wrote: But... but... but... there was obviously some sort of writing on the ground. That proves it, right? ... Right? JAM On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 11:00 AM, Will Gauss <willgauss@gmail.com> wrote: Wait, I'm an actor in a drill? Dammit they owe me my wages from those 6 hours in the van I want hazard pay! I'm almost tempted to go on there and introduce myself calmly and peacefully. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 4, 2011, at 10:33 AM, "J.A. Myerson" <jesse.myerson@gmail.com> wrote: It's amazing. PROOF we don't exist! JAM On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 10:27 AM, Amin Husain <amin.husain@gmail.com> wrote: the person that made this is such an idiot On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 10:16 AM, Drew Hornbein <dhornbein@gmail.com> wrote: An examination of the police radio from the BK bridge march. ---------- Forwarded message ---------Date: Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 4:18 AM Subject: [NYCGA Internet] Important Info!!! *PLEASE LOOK@LINK* To: internet_working_group@googlegroups.com http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1662412/pg1 I found this on glp about 10/1/2011!
Thank's
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Amin Husain september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Fwd: [NYCGA Internet] Important Info!!! *PLEASE LOOK@LINK* Tuesday, October 04, 2011 10:27:19 AM
the person that made this is such an idiot On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 10:16 AM, Drew Hornbein <dhornbein@gmail.com> wrote: An examination of the police radio from the BK bridge march. ---------- Forwarded message ---------Date: Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 4:18 AM Subject: [NYCGA Internet] Important Info!!! *PLEASE LOOK@LINK* To: internet_working_group@googlegroups.com http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1662412/pg1 I found this on glp about 10/1/2011! Thank's
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Fwd: Bridge Lawsuit Press release Tuesday, October 04, 2011 11:07:22 PM
tweeted and LOOOOOOVED On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 11:02 PM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote: > sweet +1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 > > > On 10/04/11, Marina Sitrin<marina.sitrin@gmail.com> wrote: > Class Action Lawsuit Filed in Brooklyn Bridge Mass Arrest > Partnership for Civil Justice Fund Files Federal Constitutional Rights > Class Action > > Attorneys from the Partnership for Civil Justice Fund (PCJF) filed > this afternoon a class action lawsuit against Mayor Bloomberg, Police > Commissioner Kelly and the City of New York, charging mass violations > of constitutional rights in the trap and detain mass arrest of > demonstrators on the Brooklyn Bridge this past Saturday October 1, > 2011. > > The lawsuit charges that "the NYPD engaged in a premeditated, planned, > scripted, and calculated effort to sweep the streets of protestors and > disrupt a growing protest movement in New York." The class action > lawsuit, Garcia v. Bloomberg, was filed in the United States District > Court for the Southern District of New York, Case No: 11 CIV 6957. > > The PCJF's attorneys were the lead counsel in the groundbreaking mass > arrest lawsuits against the Washington, D.C. police when they engaged > in similar trap and detain actions, mass arresting over 1,000 persons > during demonstrations in 2000 and 2002. Those cases resulted in > sweeping changes in police practices in the nation's capital including > a ban on the trap and detain tactics that are now challenged in the > Brooklyn Bridge lawsuit, and also resulted in what is believed to be > the largest financial settlement of protest litigation in U.S. > history. The PCJF brought the successful litigation challenging the > City of New York's efforts to ban mass assembly on the Great Lawn of > Central Park during the 2004 Republican National Convention. > > "Police commanders led and escorted demonstrators onto the roadway of > the Brooklyn Bridge in an intentional entrapment," stated Mara > Verheyden-Hilliard, Executive Director of the PCJF and counsel on the > litigation. "The police conducted a charade - and duly videotaped it > of speaking inaudibly into a bullhorn that could not be heard mere > feet away from the officer. The NYPD knew no audible communication was > given. The NYPD also knew that the Constitution requires that any > ostensible command must be heard by those who are expected to be bound > by it. Instead, the NYPD engaged in a performance, videotaped it, and > sprang their trap. They then set their PR machine into motion, widely > distributing their edited videos of events to spin a false narrative > to the public and the media," she continued. > > "This lawsuit is brought on behalf of all New Yorkers," stated Carl > Messineo, Legal Director of the PCJF and counsel on the suit. "People > from all walks of life came down to the Wall Street area on Saturday > to participate in a peaceful demonstration and many others joined the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
spirited march along the way. They had no intention of being arrested nor could they have had knowledge that the NYPD was preparing to entrap hundreds of them on the Brooklyn Bridge in an effort to stifle dissent." "This lawsuit is being filed now to send a clear message to the NYPD that this movement had the right to march on October 1 and has the right to march on any day without fear," continued Carl Messineo. "People have the right to speak out against Wall Street greed and growing poverty without fear that the NYPD would seek to illegally arrest them and suppress their mass assembly protest." To read the complaint, click here. ________________________________ The Partnership for Civil Justice Fund (PCJF) is a not-for-profit legal and educational organization which, among other things, seeks to ensure constitutional accountability within police practices and government transparency in operations. It is counsel on the Barham and Becker class action cases in which more than 1,000 persons were falsely arrested during protests in Washington, D.C., resulting in settlements totaling $22 million and major changes in police practices. The PCJF previously brought the successful litigation in New York challenging the 2004 ban on protests in the Great Lawn of Central Park. It won a unanimous ruling at the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals finding the MPDs unprecedented military-style police checkpoint program unconstitutional. The PCJF previously uncovered and disclosed that the D.C. police employed an unlawful domestic spying and agent provocateur program in which officers were sent on long-term assignments posing as political activists and infiltrated lawful and peaceful groups. For more information go to: www.JusticeOnline.org. On 10/4/2011 6:12 PM, Heidi Boghosian wrote: I've copied Marina on this email, but she's at the park now and was hoping I could print something and bring it to her. Heidi Boghosian Executive Director National Lawyers Guild 132 Nassau Street #922 New York, NY 10038 212-679-5100, ext. 11 www.nlg.org
-Seamos realistas, hagamos lo imposible ~ che
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Doug Singsen september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Fwd: Bridge Lawsuit Press release Wednesday, October 05, 2011 9:20:18 AM
awesome On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 10:54 PM, Marina Sitrin <marina.sitrin@gmail.com> wrote: Class Action Lawsuit Filed in Brooklyn Bridge Mass Arrest Partnership for Civil Justice Fund Files Federal Constitutional Rights Class Action Attorneys from the Partnership for Civil Justice Fund (PCJF) filed this afternoon a class action lawsuit against Mayor Bloomberg, Police Commissioner Kelly and the City of New York, charging mass violations of constitutional rights in the trap and detain mass arrest of demonstrators on the Brooklyn Bridge this past Saturday October 1, 2011. The lawsuit charges that "the NYPD engaged in a premeditated, planned, scripted, and calculated effort to sweep the streets of protestors and disrupt a growing protest movement in New York." The class action lawsuit, Garcia v. Bloomberg, was filed in the United States District Court for the Southern District of New York, Case No: 11 CIV 6957. The PCJF's attorneys were the lead counsel in the groundbreaking mass arrest lawsuits against the Washington, D.C. police when they engaged in similar trap and detain actions, mass arresting over 1,000 persons during demonstrations in 2000 and 2002. Those cases resulted in sweeping changes in police practices in the nation's capital including a ban on the trap and detain tactics that are now challenged in the Brooklyn Bridge lawsuit, and also resulted in what is believed to be the largest financial settlement of protest litigation in U.S. history. The PCJF brought the successful litigation challenging the City of New York's efforts to ban mass assembly on the Great Lawn of Central Park during the 2004 Republican National Convention. "Police commanders led and escorted demonstrators onto the roadway of the Brooklyn Bridge in an intentional entrapment," stated Mara Verheyden-Hilliard, Executive Director of the PCJF and counsel on the litigation. "The police conducted a charade - and duly videotaped it of speaking inaudibly into a bullhorn that could not be heard mere feet away from the officer. The NYPD knew no audible communication was given. The NYPD also knew that the Constitution requires that any ostensible command must be heard by those who are expected to be bound by it. Instead, the NYPD engaged in a performance, videotaped it, and sprang their trap. They then set their PR machine into motion, widely distributing their edited videos of events to spin a false narrative to the public and the media," she continued. "This lawsuit is brought on behalf of all New Yorkers," stated Carl Messineo, Legal Director of the PCJF and counsel on the suit. "People from all walks of life came down to the Wall Street area on Saturday
to participate in a peaceful demonstration and many others joined the spirited march along the way. They had no intention of being arrested nor could they have had knowledge that the NYPD was preparing to entrap hundreds of them on the Brooklyn Bridge in an effort to stifle dissent." "This lawsuit is being filed now to send a clear message to the NYPD that this movement had the right to march on October 1 and has the right to march on any day without fear," continued Carl Messineo. "People have the right to speak out against Wall Street greed and growing poverty without fear that the NYPD would seek to illegally arrest them and suppress their mass assembly protest." To read the complaint, click here. ________________________________ The Partnership for Civil Justice Fund (PCJF) is a not-for-profit legal and educational organization which, among other things, seeks to ensure constitutional accountability within police practices and government transparency in operations. It is counsel on the Barham and Becker class action cases in which more than 1,000 persons were falsely arrested during protests in Washington, D.C., resulting in settlements totaling $22 million and major changes in police practices. The PCJF previously brought the successful litigation in New York challenging the 2004 ban on protests in the Great Lawn of Central Park. It won a unanimous ruling at the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals finding the MPDs unprecedented military-style police checkpoint program unconstitutional. The PCJF previously uncovered and disclosed that the D.C. police employed an unlawful domestic spying and agent provocateur program in which officers were sent on long-term assignments posing as political activists and infiltrated lawful and peaceful groups. For more information go to: www.JusticeOnline.org. On 10/4/2011 6:12 PM, Heidi Boghosian wrote: I've copied Marina on this email, but she's at the park now and was hoping I could print something and bring it to her. Heidi Boghosian Executive Director National Lawyers Guild 132 Nassau Street #922 New York, NY 10038 212-679-5100, ext. 11 www.nlg.org
-Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com
Seamos realistas, hagamos lo imposible ~ che
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Fwd: Bridge Lawsuit Press release Tuesday, October 04, 2011 11:02:56 PM
sweet +1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
On 10/04/11, Marina Sitrin<marina.sitrin@gmail.com> wrote: Class Action Lawsuit Filed in Brooklyn Bridge Mass Arrest Partnership for Civil Justice Fund Files Federal Constitutional Rights Class Action Attorneys from the Partnership for Civil Justice Fund (PCJF) filed this afternoon a class action lawsuit against Mayor Bloomberg, Police Commissioner Kelly and the City of New York, charging mass violations of constitutional rights in the trap and detain mass arrest of demonstrators on the Brooklyn Bridge this past Saturday October 1, 2011. The lawsuit charges that "the NYPD engaged in a premeditated, planned, scripted, and calculated effort to sweep the streets of protestors and disrupt a growing protest movement in New York." The class action lawsuit, Garcia v. Bloomberg, was filed in the United States District Court for the Southern District of New York, Case No: 11 CIV 6957. The PCJF's attorneys were the lead counsel in the groundbreaking mass arrest lawsuits against the Washington, D.C. police when they engaged in similar trap and detain actions, mass arresting over 1,000 persons during demonstrations in 2000 and 2002. Those cases resulted in sweeping changes in police practices in the nation's capital including a ban on the trap and detain tactics that are now challenged in the Brooklyn Bridge lawsuit, and also resulted in what is believed to be the largest financial settlement of protest litigation in U.S. history. The PCJF brought the successful litigation challenging the City of New York's efforts to ban mass assembly on the Great Lawn of Central Park during the 2004 Republican National Convention. "Police commanders led and escorted demonstrators onto the roadway of the Brooklyn Bridge in an intentional entrapment," stated Mara Verheyden-Hilliard, Executive Director of the PCJF and counsel on the litigation. "The police conducted a charade - and duly videotaped it of speaking inaudibly into a bullhorn that could not be heard mere feet away from the officer. The NYPD knew no audible communication was given. The NYPD also knew that the Constitution requires that any ostensible command must be heard by those who are expected to be bound by it. Instead, the NYPD engaged in a performance, videotaped it, and sprang their trap. They then set their PR machine into motion, widely distributing their edited videos of events to spin a false narrative to the public and the media," she continued. "This lawsuit is brought on behalf of all New Yorkers," stated Carl Messineo, Legal Director of the PCJF and counsel on the suit. "People from all walks of life came down to the Wall Street area on Saturday to participate in a peaceful demonstration and many others joined the
spirited march along the way. They had no intention of being arrested nor could they have had knowledge that the NYPD was preparing to entrap hundreds of them on the Brooklyn Bridge in an effort to stifle dissent." "This lawsuit is being filed now to send a clear message to the NYPD that this movement had the right to march on October 1 and has the right to march on any day without fear," continued Carl Messineo. "People have the right to speak out against Wall Street greed and growing poverty without fear that the NYPD would seek to illegally arrest them and suppress their mass assembly protest." To read the complaint, click here. ________________________________ The Partnership for Civil Justice Fund (PCJF) is a not-for-profit legal and educational organization which, among other things, seeks to ensure constitutional accountability within police practices and government transparency in operations. It is counsel on the Barham and Becker class action cases in which more than 1,000 persons were falsely arrested during protests in Washington, D.C., resulting in settlements totaling $22 million and major changes in police practices. The PCJF previously brought the successful litigation in New York challenging the 2004 ban on protests in the Great Lawn of Central Park. It won a unanimous ruling at the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals finding the MPDs unprecedented military-style police checkpoint program unconstitutional. The PCJF previously uncovered and disclosed that the D.C. police employed an unlawful domestic spying and agent provocateur program in which officers were sent on long-term assignments posing as political activists and infiltrated lawful and peaceful groups. For more information go to: www.JusticeOnline.org. On 10/4/2011 6:12 PM, Heidi Boghosian wrote: I've copied Marina on this email, but she's at the park now and was hoping I could print something and bring it to her.
Heidi Boghosian Executive Director National Lawyers Guild 132 Nassau Street #922 New York, NY 10038 212-679-5100, ext. 11 www.nlg.org
-Seamos realistas, hagamos lo imposible ~ che
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jackie DiSalvo september17@googlegroups.com RE: [september17discuss] Fwd: Friday, Oct. 7, 5 pm - Haitians Cross Brooklyn Bridge to Join Occupy Wall Street Wednesday, October 05, 2011 2:03:01 PM
I need contact info (we really should make this available to working groups) for: Sara Finance Media If anyone has it, please send, Jackie DiSalvo Labor
From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Babak K Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 1:48 PM To: september17@googlegroups.com; ows_outreach@googlegroups.com Subject: [september17discuss] Fwd: Friday, Oct. 7, 5 pm - Haitians Cross Brooklyn Bridge to Join Occupy Wall Street
---------- Forwardedmessage ---------From: Ray Laforest <laforestray@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 1:17 PM Subject: Friday, Oct. 7, 5 pm - Haitians Cross Brooklyn Bridge to Join Occupy Wall Street To: Babak Karimi <bkarimi17@gmail.com>
PLEASE CIRCULATE DONT OCCUPY HAITI ! OCCUPY WALL STREET ! Cross the Brooklyn Bridge Show Solidarity with Occupy Wall Street Movement Friday, OCTOBER 7, 2011 4 p.m. - Rally @ Cadman Plaza Park, Brooklyn 5 p.m. - March across the Brooklyn Bridge 6 p.m. - Rally with demonstrators at Liberty Plaza, Manhattan To SHOW SOLIDARITY with the protestors of the OCCUPY WALL STREET movement, the HAITIAN COMMUNITY will march across the Brooklyn Bridge to Liberty Plaza. The same BANKERS and CAPITALISTS who are driving North American working people into poverty, debt and homelessness have IMPOVERISHED HAITI for decades.
In APRIL 1990, OCTOBER 1991, AUGUST 1997 and MARCH 2000, Haitians have made a TRADITION of marching across the Brooklyn Bridge to protest racism, coup dtats, and police brutality. In 2011, the tradition will continue as the Haitian community shows its solidarity with the thousands rising up against capitalist greed and crisis. END the UN military occupation of Haiti! NO to reestablishing the coup-making Haitian Army! NO to Bill Clintons Interim Haiti Recovery Commission ! Let the people OCCUPY WALL STREET ! For more information: 718-362-0763, 917-251-6057, or 718-421-0162 Initiated by: Fanmi Lavalas (NY), International Support Haiti Network (ISHN) & Konbit Ayisyen pou Kore Lakay (KAKOLA)
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of gabjoh2@gmail.com september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Fwd: Fw: Occupied Wall Street Sunday, October 02, 2011 8:04:07 PM
If you build it, they will come. We are building it! --glj Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry From: Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> Sender: september17@googlegroups.com Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 19:34:48 -0400 To: <september17@googlegroups.com> ReplyTo: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [september17discuss] Fwd: Fw: Occupied Wall Street To summarize: MoveOn is mobilizing for the Wednesday march together with Beyond May 12th and allied unions and community groups! Whatever you think of MoveOn's politics (and I have problems with them on many levels), this will pump up the Wednesday demo and help spread OWS even further. DS On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 7:21 PM, J Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: ---------- Forwarded message ---------From: naomi less <naomiless@gmail.com> Date: Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 6:03 PM Subject: Fw: Occupied Wall Street To: jwedes@gmail.com
www.naomiless.com pls excuse typos (from blackberry) From: "Justin Ruben, MoveOn.org Civic Action" <moveon-help@list.moveon.org> Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2011 14:55:28 -0700 To: naomi less<naomiless@gmail.com> Subject: Occupied Wall Street
Dear MoveOn member, Over the last two weeks, an amazing wave of protest against Wall Street and the big banks has erupted across the country. In Seattle, San Francisco, Ohio, and Boston (where 3,000 people rallied),1 grassroots groups have shut down banks and held sit-ins to demand that giant banks pay their fair We're going to stage a massive "Virtual March on Wall Street" online to show our support for the Occupy Wall Street protests this Wednesday. Sign up to join hundreds of thousands of voices of solidarity and help show just
share of taxes, end the foreclosure crisis, and create jobs. In financial centers like Chicago and Atlanta, hundreds of people have set up encampments in front of major financial institutions for round-the-clock demonstrations.
how widespread the outrage Wall Street really is.
Sign up
Outside Los Angeles, community members have been running a 24-hour vigil around the home of Rose Gudiel, who faces eviction after getting foreclosed on for being two weeks late on a mortgage payment after her younger brother was murdered. 2 But the biggest protests are on Wall Street itself. "Occupy Wall Street," which began with a brave group of young people, has swelled to thousands of students, unemployed folks, union members, and others who have persevered through intense police harassment and mass arrests to sustain a rolling 24-hour-a-day protest against the bankers who've wrecked our economy and undermined our democracy. 3 On Wednesday, MoveOn members will join labor and community groups in New York City for a huge march down to the protest sitethe biggest yet. And because we can't all be in New York, we're going to stage a massive "Virtual March on Wall Street" online with our friends at Rebuild the Dream. Together, we'll add hundreds of thousands of voices of solidarity from the American Dream Movement for the protests across the country and show just how widespread outrage at the Wall Street banks really is. Click here to sign up to join the Virtual March on Wall Street this Wednesday The protests on Wall Street have been running for two weeks straight and are only getting bigger every day. The signs, placards, and chants focus on standing up for what the protesters are calling "the 99%" of us who are suffering while Wall Street bankers grow richer by the day. In a telling moment last week, a group of bankers even went so far as to mock the protests while sipping champagne from balconies overlooking thousands of people marching down Wall Street. 4 But adding mockery to the callous disregard for our country that we've seen from the big banks isn't slowing down the Occupy Wall Street movement one bit. The protests on Wall Street are set to grow even more this week and solidarity actions are already planned in dozens more cities. You can see what's planned in your area by visiting the solidarity site Occupy Together: http://www.moveon.org/r?r=264645&id=31654-8720705-eWQvaWx&t=3 And you can sign up to add your voice to the national "Virtual March on Wall Street" online here: http://www.civic.moveon.org/joinvirtualwallstreet/?id=31654-8720705-eWQvaWx&t=4 Thanks for all you do. Justin, Robin, Peter, Elena, and the rest of the team Sources: 1. "BofA's Boston Building Draws Protesters; 21 Arrests Are Made," bloomberg.com, September 30, 2011 http://www.moveon.org/r?r=264642&id=31654-8720705-eWQvaWx&t=5 2. "La Puente Family Fights Eviction from Foreclosed Home," KTLA.com, September 29, 2011 http://www.moveon.org/r?r=264643&id=31654-8720705-eWQvaWx&t=6 3. "Anti-Wall Street Protestors Vow to Keep Up Fight," Reuters, October 2, 2011 http://www.moveon.org/r?r=264644&id=31654-8720705-eWQvaWx&t=7
4. "Occupy Wall Street Protestors Meet Champagne Sippers," abcnews.com, September 30, 2011 http://www.moveon.org/r?r=264649&id=31654-8720705-eWQvaWx&t=8
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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Doug Singsen september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Fwd: Fw: Occupied Wall Street Sunday, October 02, 2011 7:35:12 PM
To summarize: MoveOn is mobilizing for the Wednesday march together with Beyond May 12th and allied unions and community groups! Whatever you think of MoveOn's politics (and I have problems with them on many levels), this will pump up the Wednesday demo and help spread OWS even further. DS On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 7:21 PM, J Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: ---------- Forwarded message ---------From: naomi less <naomiless@gmail.com> Date: Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 6:03 PM Subject: Fw: Occupied Wall Street To: jwedes@gmail.com
www.naomiless.com pls excuse typos (from blackberry) From: "Justin Ruben, MoveOn.org Civic Action" <moveon-help@list.moveon.org> Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2011 14:55:28 -0700 To: naomi less<naomiless@gmail.com> Subject: Occupied Wall Street
Dear MoveOn member, Over the last two weeks, an amazing wave of protest against Wall Street and the big banks has erupted across the country. people rallied),1 grassroots groups have shut down banks and held sit-ins to demand that giant banks pay their fair share of taxes, end the foreclosure crisis, and create jobs. In financial centers like Chicago and Atlanta, hundreds of people have set up encampments in front of major financial institutions for round-the-clock demonstrations. In Seattle, San Francisco, Ohio, and Boston (where 3,000 We're going to stage a massive "Virtual March on Wall Street" online to show our support for the Occupy Wall Street protests this Wednesday. Sign up to join hundreds of thousands of voices of solidarity and help show just how widespread the outrage Wall Street really is.
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Outside Los Angeles, community members have been running a 24-hour vigil around the home of Rose Gudiel, who faces eviction after getting foreclosed on for being two weeks late on a mortgage payment after her younger brother was murdered. 2 But the biggest protests are on Wall Street itself. "Occupy Wall Street," which began with a brave group of young people, has swelled to thousands of students, unemployed folks, union members, and others who have persevered through intense police harassment and mass arrests to sustain a rolling 24-hour-a-day protest against the bankers who've wrecked our
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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jon Good september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Fwd: The PR company I told you was "representing" OWS Fwd: Workhouse PR Tuesday, October 04, 2011 8:19:23 AM
WTF? I appreciate that folks are eager to help, but I am very, very wary of this. It could be really nice to have their noise machine at our disposal, but in general, using the structures and systems of huge corporations presents a danger of this movement acting like corporation. Also, I'm fairly sure no entity can be the "official" anything of Occupy Wall Street without passing consensus in the GA. Public relations, generally, is about controlling peoples' perceptions and ideas about certain things. We shouldn't do this, because it's antithetical to participatory democracy. Moreover, we haven't defined ourselves or consensed upon demands, so any of their usual schtick would be hijacking the process of defining us. I would welcome their suggestions for strategies for reaching large numbers of people, and would welcome their considerable skills to talk us up in the media, but OWS is not their client and a corporate firm should probably not "represent" us in any sense of the word. Solidarity, Jon On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 2:20 AM, J Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: Has anyone else from this list been in discussion with Workhouse PR? Just trying to understand if we are outsourcing "PR" work. -justin ---------- Forwarded message ---------From: R M <rebeccaction@gmail.com> Date: Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 2:14 AM Subject: Re: The PR company I told you was "representing" OWS Fwd: Workhouse PR To: J Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> Certainly and of course! Please be sure to keep me in the loop going forward, thanks. -Rebecca On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 1:50 AM, J Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: Hi Rebecca, Can I forward this info about Workhouse PR onto the september 17 listserv? I just want to make sure that everyone is aware of the conversations going on about PR. -justin On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 1:45 AM, R M <rebeccaction@gmail.com> wrote: Hi Justin, Nice to meet you briefly today. Here's a FW from my roommate, who runs the occupyinfo twitter account. He was contacted by Workhouse PR, which does work for big clients like Saks Fifth Avenue.
He said they seemed well-intentioned and were volunteering their time. Here's a link to an article or two about this release to the media they did about Saturday's protests: http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2011/10/03/2011-1003_occupy_wall_street_protesters_picked_up_by_public_relations_firm_workhouse_probo.html http://gawker.com/5846154/occupy-wall-street-gets-much+needed-help-from-pr-firm We should both be in touch with these folks, right? Would you do me a favor and cc: me on your correspondence? And I will do the same. Be well, -Rebecca ---------- Forwarded message ---------From: Rebecca Manski <rebaleh@gmail.com> Date: Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 10:55 PM Subject: Fwd: Workhouse PR To: rebeccaction@gmail.com ---------- Forwarded message ---------From: William Schwartz <will.js1@gmail.com> Date: Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 6:49 PM Subject: Re: Workhouse PR To: Rebecca Manski <rebaleh@gmail.com> Well they are volunteering their help. I just chatted them up on twitter. There was an article in the New York Post about it too. William Schwartz 917.385.5047 Connect! http://twitter.com/2William On 3 October 2011 18:47, Rebecca Manski <rebaleh@gmail.com> wrote: Are you joking! On Oct 3, 2011 4:20 PM, "William Schwartz" <will.js1@gmail.com> wrote: > They are now occupy wall street's PR firm. They just wrote me on twitter > incase you want to get in touch with them? > > http://www.workhousepr.com/home.php > > > William Schwartz > 917.385.5047
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Doug Singsen september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Fwd: The PR company I told you was "representing" OWS Fwd: Workhouse PR Tuesday, October 04, 2011 9:25:16 AM
+1 Sent from my phone On Oct 4, 2011 8:19 AM, "Jon Good" <therealjongood@gmail.com> wrote: WTF? I appreciate that folks are eager to help, but I am very, very wary of this. It could be really nice to have their noise machine at our disposal, but in general, using the structures and systems of huge corporations presents a danger of this movement acting like corporation. Also, I'm fairly sure no entity can be the "official" anything of Occupy Wall Street without passing consensus in the GA. Public relations, generally, is about controlling peoples' perceptions and ideas about certain things. We shouldn't do this, because it's antithetical to participatory democracy. Moreover, we haven't defined ourselves or consensed upon demands, so any of their usual schtick would be hijacking the process of defining us. I would welcome their suggestions for strategies for reaching large numbers of people, and would welcome their considerable skills to talk us up in the media, but OWS is not their client and a corporate firm should probably not "represent" us in any sense of the word. Solidarity, Jon On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 2:20 AM, J Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: Has anyone else from this list been in discussion with Workhouse PR? Just trying to understand if we are outsourcing "PR" work. -justin ---------- Forwarded message ---------From: R M <rebeccaction@gmail.com> Date: Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 2:14 AM Subject: Re: The PR company I told you was "representing" OWS Fwd: Workhouse PR To: J Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> Certainly and of course! Please be sure to keep me in the loop going forward, thanks. -Rebecca On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 1:50 AM, J Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: Hi Rebecca, Can I forward this info about Workhouse PR onto the september 17 listserv? I just want to make sure that everyone is aware of the conversations going on about PR. -justin On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 1:45 AM, R M <rebeccaction@gmail.com> wrote: Hi Justin, Nice to meet you briefly today.
Here's a FW from my roommate, who runs the occupyinfo twitter account. He was contacted by Workhouse PR, which does work for big clients like Saks Fifth Avenue. He said they seemed well-intentioned and were volunteering their time. Here's a link to an article or two about this release to the media they did about Saturday's protests: http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2011/10/03/2011-1003_occupy_wall_street_protesters_picked_up_by_public_relations_firm_workhouse_probo.html http://gawker.com/5846154/occupy-wall-street-gets-much+needed-help-from-pr-firm We should both be in touch with these folks, right? Would you do me a favor and cc: me on your correspondence? And I will do the same. Be well, -Rebecca ---------- Forwarded message ---------From: Rebecca Manski <rebaleh@gmail.com> Date: Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 10:55 PM Subject: Fwd: Workhouse PR To: rebeccaction@gmail.com ---------- Forwarded message ---------From: William Schwartz <will.js1@gmail.com> Date: Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 6:49 PM Subject: Re: Workhouse PR To: Rebecca Manski <rebaleh@gmail.com> Well they are volunteering their help. I just chatted them up on twitter. There was an article in the New York Post about it too. William Schwartz 917.385.5047 Connect! http://twitter.com/2William On 3 October 2011 18:47, Rebecca Manski <rebaleh@gmail.com> wrote: Are you joking! On Oct 3, 2011 4:20 PM, "William Schwartz" <will.js1@gmail.com> wrote: > They are now occupy wall street's PR firm. They just wrote me on twitter > incase you want to get in touch with them? > > http://www.workhousepr.com/home.php > > > William Schwartz > 917.385.5047
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Snafu september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Fwd: The PR company I told you was "representing" OWS Fwd: Workhouse PR Tuesday, October 04, 2011 10:52:09 AM
Just heard a guy at the Brian Lehrer Show on WNYC, who called in as an OWS "spokesperson" and claimed to be "in charge of security at the park." The radio show was about how Wall Street traders and workers feel about the occupation. He said that he wanted the radio conversation to happen in the square (on which I can agree) and then added that OWS is not about class warfare but about getting things done and bringing about change. The overall tone was that of a reassuring middle-class guy speaking to middle America. While this communicative style may help expand our ranks, it will also help change the social composition of the movement in such a way that if any reforms are ever passed, they will be probably so watereddown that they will change in fact nothing. I am not sure how spokespersons are selected and whether this guy (who claimed to have appeared on several TV programs as well) has anything to do with the PR firm mentioned in this thread. But I want to raise the point that this way of communicating can have serious political consequences, some of which may not be that desirable. I think we should try and select spokespersons who are able to express a more radical point of view in a reasonable way. On 10/4/11 9:25 AM, Doug Singsen wrote: +1 Sent from my phone On Oct 4, 2011 8:19 AM, "Jon Good" <therealjongood@gmail.com> wrote: WTF? I appreciate that folks are eager to help, but I am very, very wary of this. It could be really nice to have their noise machine at our disposal, but in general, using the structures and systems of huge corporations presents a danger of this movement acting like corporation. Also, I'm fairly sure no entity can be the "official" anything of Occupy Wall Street without passing consensus in the GA. Public relations, generally, is about controlling peoples' perceptions and ideas about certain things. We shouldn't do this, because it's antithetical to participatory democracy. Moreover, we haven't defined ourselves or consensed upon demands, so any of their usual schtick would be hijacking the process of defining us. I would welcome their suggestions for strategies for reaching large numbers of people, and would welcome their considerable skills to talk us up in the media, but OWS is not their client and a corporate firm should probably not "represent" us in any sense of the word. Solidarity, Jon On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 2:20 AM, J Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: Has anyone else from this list been in discussion with Workhouse PR? Just trying to understand if we are outsourcing "PR" work. -justin ---------- Forwarded message ---------From: R M <rebeccaction@gmail.com> Date: Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 2:14 AM Subject: Re: The PR company I told you was "representing" OWS Fwd: Workhouse PR To: J Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com>
Certainly and of course! Please be sure to keep me in the loop going forward, thanks. -Rebecca On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 1:50 AM, J Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: Hi Rebecca, Can I forward this info about Workhouse PR onto the september 17 listserv? I just want to make sure that everyone is aware of the conversations going on about PR. -justin On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 1:45 AM, R M <rebeccaction@gmail.com> wrote: Hi Justin, Nice to meet you briefly today. Here's a FW from my roommate, who runs the occupyinfo twitter account. He was contacted by Workhouse PR, which does work for big clients like Saks Fifth Avenue. He said they seemed well-intentioned and were volunteering their time. Here's a link to an article or two about this release to the media they did about Saturday's protests: http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2011/10/03/2011-1003_occupy_wall_street_protesters_picked_up_by_public_relations_firm_workhouse_probo.html http://gawker.com/5846154/occupy-wall-street-gets-much+needed-help-from-pr-firm We should both be in touch with these folks, right? Would you do me a favor and cc: me on your correspondence? And I will do the same. Be well, -Rebecca ---------- Forwarded message ---------From: Rebecca Manski <rebaleh@gmail.com> Date: Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 10:55 PM Subject: Fwd: Workhouse PR To: rebeccaction@gmail.com ---------- Forwarded message ---------From: William Schwartz <will.js1@gmail.com> Date: Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 6:49 PM Subject: Re: Workhouse PR To: Rebecca Manski <rebaleh@gmail.com> Well they are volunteering their help. I just chatted them up on twitter. There was an article in the New York Post about it too. William Schwartz 917.385.5047 Connect! http://twitter.com/2William On 3 October 2011 18:47, Rebecca Manski <rebaleh@gmail.com> wrote:
Are you joking! On Oct 3, 2011 4:20 PM, "William Schwartz" <will.js1@gmail.com> wrote: > They are now occupy wall street's PR firm. They just wrote me on twitter > incase you want to get in touch with them? > > http://www.workhousepr.com/home.php > > > William Schwartz > 917.385.5047
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Micah White september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Fwd: The PR company I told you was "representing" OWS Fwd: Workhouse PR Tuesday, October 04, 2011 10:56:22 AM
Beware of corporate co-optation in all its guises. They want to "help" #OWS for a reason. To maintain our authenticity we must reject all corporate influence. We must not become a corporate sponsored movement.
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 7:51 AM, Snafu <snafu@thething.it> wrote: Just heard a guy at the Brian Lehrer Show on WNYC, who called in as an OWS "spokesperson" and claimed to be "in charge of security at the park." The radio show was about how Wall Street traders and workers feel about the occupation. He said that he wanted the radio conversation to happen in the square (on which I can agree) and then added that OWS is not about class warfare but about getting things done and bringing about change. The overall tone was that of a reassuring middle-class guy speaking to middle America. While this communicative style may help expand our ranks, it will also help change the social composition of the movement in such a way that if any reforms are ever passed, they will be probably so watereddown that they will change in fact nothing. I am not sure how spokespersons are selected and whether this guy (who claimed to have appeared on several TV programs as well) has anything to do with the PR firm mentioned in this thread. But I want to raise the point that this way of communicating can have serious political consequences, some of which may not be that desirable. I think we should try and select spokespersons who are able to express a more radical point of view in a reasonable way. On 10/4/11 9:25 AM, Doug Singsen wrote: +1 Sent from my phone On Oct 4, 2011 8:19 AM, "Jon Good" <therealjongood@gmail.com> wrote: WTF? I appreciate that folks are eager to help, but I am very, very wary of this. It could be really nice to have their noise machine at our disposal, but in general, using the structures and systems of huge corporations presents a danger of this movement acting like corporation. Also, I'm fairly sure no entity can be the "official" anything of Occupy Wall Street without passing consensus in the GA. Public relations, generally, is about controlling peoples' perceptions and ideas about certain things. We shouldn't do this, because it's antithetical to participatory democracy. Moreover, we haven't defined ourselves or consensed upon demands, so any of their usual schtick would be hijacking the process of defining us. I would welcome their suggestions for strategies for reaching large numbers of people, and would welcome their considerable skills to talk us up in the media, but OWS is not their client and a corporate firm should probably not "represent" us in any sense of the word. Solidarity, Jon On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 2:20 AM, J Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: Has anyone else from this list been in discussion with Workhouse PR? Just trying to understand if we are outsourcing "PR" work. -justin
---------- Forwarded message ---------From: R M <rebeccaction@gmail.com> Date: Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 2:14 AM Subject: Re: The PR company I told you was "representing" OWS Fwd: Workhouse PR To: J Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> Certainly and of course! Please be sure to keep me in the loop going forward, thanks. -Rebecca On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 1:50 AM, J Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: Hi Rebecca, Can I forward this info about Workhouse PR onto the september 17 listserv? I just want to make sure that everyone is aware of the conversations going on about PR. -justin On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 1:45 AM, R M <rebeccaction@gmail.com> wrote: Hi Justin, Nice to meet you briefly today. Here's a FW from my roommate, who runs the occupyinfo twitter account. He was contacted by Workhouse PR, which does work for big clients like Saks Fifth Avenue. He said they seemed well-intentioned and were volunteering their time. Here's a link to an article or two about this release to the media they did about Saturday's protests: http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2011/10/03/2011-1003_occupy_wall_street_protesters_picked_up_by_public_relations_firm_workhouse_probo.html http://gawker.com/5846154/occupy-wall-street-gets-much+needed-help-from-pr-firm We should both be in touch with these folks, right? Would you do me a favor and cc: me on your correspondence? And I will do the same. Be well, -Rebecca ---------- Forwarded message ---------From: Rebecca Manski <rebaleh@gmail.com> Date: Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 10:55 PM Subject: Fwd: Workhouse PR To: rebeccaction@gmail.com ---------- Forwarded message ---------From: William Schwartz <will.js1@gmail.com> Date: Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 6:49 PM Subject: Re: Workhouse PR To: Rebecca Manski <rebaleh@gmail.com> Well they are volunteering their help. I just chatted them up on twitter. There was an article in the New York Post about it too. William Schwartz 917.385.5047
Connect! http://twitter.com/2William On 3 October 2011 18:47, Rebecca Manski <rebaleh@gmail.com> wrote: Are you joking! On Oct 3, 2011 4:20 PM, "William Schwartz" <will.js1@gmail.com> wrote: > They are now occupy wall street's PR firm. They just wrote me on twitter > incase you want to get in touch with them? > > http://www.workhousepr.com/home.php > > > William Schwartz > 917.385.5047
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Will Gauss september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Fwd: The PR company I told you was "representing" OWS Fwd: Workhouse PR Tuesday, October 04, 2011 11:06:57 AM
To protect us from people lying about representing us, put to a vote at the GA today that we make a blanket statement informing the media that no company speaks for us and to reject any speaker who claims otherwise as a liar. Then, form a working group to select -individuals- who are authorized to speak for us. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 4, 2011, at 10:55 AM, Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com> wrote: Beware of corporate co-optation in all its guises. They want to "help" #OWS for a reason. To maintain our authenticity we must reject all corporate influence. We must not become a corporate sponsored movement.
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 7:51 AM, Snafu <snafu@thething.it> wrote: Just heard a guy at the Brian Lehrer Show on WNYC, who called in as an OWS "spokesperson" and claimed to be "in charge of security at the park." The radio show was about how Wall Street traders and workers feel about the occupation. He said that he wanted the radio conversation to happen in the square (on which I can agree) and then added that OWS is not about class warfare but about getting things done and bringing about change. The overall tone was that of a reassuring middleclass guy speaking to middle America. While this communicative style may help expand our ranks, it will also help change the social composition of the movement in such a way that if any reforms are ever passed, they will be probably so watered-down that they will change in fact nothing. I am not sure how spokespersons are selected and whether this guy (who claimed to have appeared on several TV programs as well) has anything to do with the PR firm mentioned in this thread. But I want to raise the point that this way of communicating can have serious political consequences, some of which may not be that desirable. I think we should try and select spokespersons who are able to express a more radical point of view in a reasonable way. On 10/4/11 9:25 AM, Doug Singsen wrote: +1 Sent from my phone On Oct 4, 2011 8:19 AM, "Jon Good" <therealjongood@gmail.com> wrote: WTF? I appreciate that folks are eager to help, but I am very, very wary of this. It could be really nice to have their noise machine at our disposal, but in general, using the structures and systems of huge corporations presents a danger of this movement acting like corporation. Also, I'm fairly sure no entity can be the "official" anything of Occupy Wall Street without passing consensus in the GA. Public relations, generally, is about controlling peoples' perceptions and ideas about certain things. We shouldn't do this, because it's antithetical to participatory democracy. Moreover, we haven't defined ourselves or consensed upon demands, so any of their usual schtick would be hijacking the process of defining us. I would welcome their suggestions for strategies for reaching large numbers of people, and would welcome their considerable skills to talk us up in the media, but OWS is not their client and a corporate firm should probably not "represent" us in any sense of the word. Solidarity, Jon
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 2:20 AM, J Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: Has anyone else from this list been in discussion with Workhouse PR? Just trying to understand if we are outsourcing "PR" work. -justin ---------- Forwarded message ---------From: R M <rebeccaction@gmail.com> Date: Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 2:14 AM Subject: Re: The PR company I told you was "representing" OWS Fwd: Workhouse PR To: J Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> Certainly and of course! Please be sure to keep me in the loop going forward, thanks. -Rebecca On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 1:50 AM, J Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: Hi Rebecca, Can I forward this info about Workhouse PR onto the september 17 listserv? I just want to make sure that everyone is aware of the conversations going on about PR. -justin On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 1:45 AM, R M <rebeccaction@gmail.com> wrote: Hi Justin, Nice to meet you briefly today. Here's a FW from my roommate, who runs the occupyinfo twitter account. He was contacted by Workhouse PR, which does work for big clients like Saks Fifth Avenue. He said they seemed well-intentioned and were volunteering their time. Here's a link to an article or two about this release to the media they did about Saturday's protests: http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2011/10/03/2011-1003_occupy_wall_street_protesters_picked_up_by_public_relations_firm_workhouse_probo.html http://gawker.com/5846154/occupy-wall-street-gets-much+needed-help-from-prfirm We should both be in touch with these folks, right? Would you do me a favor and cc: me on your correspondence? And I will do the same. Be well, -Rebecca ---------- Forwarded message ---------From: Rebecca Manski <rebaleh@gmail.com> Date: Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 10:55 PM Subject: Fwd: Workhouse PR To: rebeccaction@gmail.com ---------- Forwarded message ---------From: William Schwartz <will.js1@gmail.com> Date: Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 6:49 PM Subject: Re: Workhouse PR
To: Rebecca Manski <rebaleh@gmail.com> Well they are volunteering their help. I just chatted them up on twitter. There was an article in the New York Post about it too. William Schwartz 917.385.5047 Connect! http://twitter.com/2William On 3 October 2011 18:47, Rebecca Manski <rebaleh@gmail.com> wrote: Are you joking! On Oct 3, 2011 4:20 PM, "William Schwartz" <will.js1@gmail.com> wrote: > They are now occupy wall street's PR firm. They just wrote me on twitter > incase you want to get in touch with them? > > http://www.workhousepr.com/home.php > > > William Schwartz > 917.385.5047
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of shaista husain september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Fwd: The PR company I told you was "representing" OWS Fwd: Workhouse PR Tuesday, October 04, 2011 1:47:42 PM
Dear Sept 17, We must be extremely critical about any PR, the mainstream media is insidious in their ways of misrepresentation. It is very cynical and carefully constructed attacks that attempt to weaken us. Even appearing like an advertisement connotates that this occupation is just a fad, or another article may be support a completely differing political agenda, there are always underlying messages. We do NOT put our identity in the hands of outside media groups. Obviously, we can't control what different news agencies write. (for example, this article is claiming we are against obama because he doesn't have a birth certificate, its so stupid and wrong, they claim to be anonymous..lol. http://www.panamalaw.org/special_report_occupy_wall_street.html) -Most of the media works for the 1% even if it sounds "supportive" you have to read between the lines. Even the Nation, a pretentious left organization wrote an extremely cynical article about us. We need a healthy suspicion of media conglomerates, esp those that work for Saks Fifth, it is extremely naive to think they will represent us properly. We have our own media. We are in the process of representing ourselves through democratic process and we are figuring out how best to do it, grassroots discussions. Big props to the internet group and media group--they are our wings with which we will fly and give voice--hard working people and extremely skilled--let's support our own folks our own PR. Its very exciting! On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 8:19 AM, Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com> wrote: > WTF? I appreciate that folks are eager to help, but I am very, very wary of > this. It could be really nice to have their noise machine at our disposal, > but in general, using the structures and systems of huge corporations > presents a danger of this movement acting like corporation. > Also, I'm fairly sure no entity can be the "official" anything of Occupy > Wall Street without passing consensus in the GA. > Public relations, generally, is about controlling peoples' perceptions and > ideas about certain things. We shouldn't do this, because it's antithetical > to participatory democracy. Moreover, we haven't defined ourselves or > consensed upon demands, so any of their usual schtick would be hijacking the > process of defining us. > I would welcome their suggestions for strategies for reaching large numbers > of people, and would welcome their considerable skills to talk us up in the > media, but OWS is not their client and a corporate firm should probably not > "represent" us in any sense of the word. > Solidarity, > Jon > > On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 2:20 AM, J Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Has anyone else from this list been in discussion with Workhouse PR? Just >> trying to understand if we are outsourcing "PR" work. >> >> -justin >> >> ---------- Forwarded message --------->> From: R M <rebeccaction@gmail.com> >> Date: Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 2:14 AM
>> Subject: Re: The PR company I told you was "representing" OWS Fwd: >> Workhouse PR >> To: J Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> >> >> >> Certainly and of course! Please be sure to keep me in the loop going >> forward, thanks. >> -Rebecca >> >> On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 1:50 AM, J Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Rebecca, >>> >>> Can I forward this info about Workhouse PR onto the september 17 >>> listserv? >>> >>> I just want to make sure that everyone is aware of the conversations >>> going on about PR. >>> >>> -justin >>> >>> On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 1:45 AM, R M <rebeccaction@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Justin, >>>> >>>> Nice to meet you briefly today. >>>> >>>> Here's a FW from my roommate, who runs the occupyinfo twitter account. >>>> He was contacted by Workhouse PR, which does work for big clients like Saks >>>> Fifth Avenue. >>>> >>>> He said they seemed well-intentioned and were volunteering their time. >>>> Here's a link to an article or two about this release to the media they did >>>> about Saturday's protests: >>>> >>>> >>>> http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2011/10/03/2011-1003_occupy_wall_street_protesters_picked_up_by_public_relations_firm_workhouse_probo.html >>>> >>>> >>>> http://gawker.com/5846154/occupy-wall-street-gets-much+needed-help-from-pr-firm >>>> >>>> We should both be in touch with these folks, right? >>>> >>>> Would you do me a favor and cc: me on your correspondence? And I will do >>>> the same. >>>> >>>> Be well, >>>> -Rebecca >>>> >>>> >>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------->>>> From: Rebecca Manski <rebaleh@gmail.com> >>>> Date: Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 10:55 PM >>>> Subject: Fwd: Workhouse PR >>>> To: rebeccaction@gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------->>>> From: William Schwartz <will.js1@gmail.com>
>>>> Date: Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 6:49 PM >>>> Subject: Re: Workhouse PR >>>> To: Rebecca Manski <rebaleh@gmail.com> >>>> >>>> >>>> Well they are volunteering their help. I just chatted them up on >>>> twitter. There was an article in the New York Post about it too. >>>> >>>> William Schwartz >>>> 917.385.5047 >>>> >>>> Connect! >>>> http://twitter.com/2William >>>> >>>> On 3 October 2011 18:47, Rebecca Manski <rebaleh@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Are you joking! >>>>> >>>>> On Oct 3, 2011 4:20 PM, "William Schwartz" <will.js1@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> > They are now occupy wall street's PR firm. They just wrote me on >>>>> > twitter >>>>> > incase you want to get in touch with them? >>>>> > >>>>> > http://www.workhousepr.com/home.php >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > William Schwartz >>>>> > 917.385.5047 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> > >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Fwd: The PR company I told you was "representing" OWS Fwd: Workhouse PR Tuesday, October 04, 2011 8:23:54 AM
They are a great firm I support their involvement (if that means anything)... And I can't believe the conversations that are happening nationally as a result of the occupation.... all of us, both and and out of the park and jail are changing america and hopefully the world.... Go go occupation! On Oct 4, 2011 2:21 AM, "J Wedes" <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: > Has anyone else from this list been in discussion with Workhouse PR? Just > trying to understand if we are outsourcing "PR" work. > > -justin > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------> From: R M <rebeccaction@gmail.com> > Date: Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 2:14 AM > Subject: Re: The PR company I told you was "representing" OWS Fwd: Workhouse > PR > To: J Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> > > > Certainly and of course! Please be sure to keep me in the loop going > forward, thanks. > -Rebecca > > > On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 1:50 AM, J Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi Rebecca, >> >> Can I forward this info about Workhouse PR onto the september 17 listserv? >> >> I just want to make sure that everyone is aware of the conversations going >> on about PR. >> >> -justin >> >> >> On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 1:45 AM, R M <rebeccaction@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi Justin, >>> >>> Nice to meet you briefly today. >>> >>> Here's a FW from my roommate, who runs the *occupyinfo *twitter account. >>> He was contacted by Workhouse PR, which does work for big clients like Saks >>> Fifth Avenue. >>> >>> He said they seemed well-intentioned and were volunteering their time. >>> Here's a link to an article or two about this release to the media they did >>> about Saturday's protests:
>>> >>> >>> http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2011/10/03/2011-1003_occupy_wall_street_protesters_picked_up_by_public_relations_firm_workhouse_probo.html >>> >>> >>> http://gawker.com/5846154/occupy-wall-street-gets-much+needed-help-from-pr-firm >>> >>> We should both be in touch with these folks, right? >>> >>> Would you do me a favor and cc: me on your correspondence? And I will do >>> the same. >>> >>> Be well, >>> -Rebecca >>> >>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message --------->>> From: Rebecca Manski <rebaleh@gmail.com> >>> Date: Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 10:55 PM >>> Subject: Fwd: Workhouse PR >>> To: rebeccaction@gmail.com >>> >>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message --------->>> From: William Schwartz <will.js1@gmail.com> >>> Date: Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 6:49 PM >>> Subject: Re: Workhouse PR >>> To: Rebecca Manski <rebaleh@gmail.com> >>> >>> >>> Well they are volunteering their help. I just chatted them up on twitter. >>> There was an article in the New York Post about it too. >>> >>> >>> William Schwartz >>> 917.385.5047 >>> >>> Connect! >>> http://twitter.com/2William >>> >>> >>> On 3 October 2011 18:47, Rebecca Manski <rebaleh@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Are you joking! >>>> On Oct 3, 2011 4:20 PM, "William Schwartz" <will.js1@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> > They are now occupy wall street's PR firm. They just wrote me on >>>> twitter >>>> > incase you want to get in touch with them? >>>> > >>>> > http://www.workhousepr.com/home.php >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > William Schwartz >>>> > 917.385.5047 >>>> >>>
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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of J Wedes september17@googlegroups.com; KirilRavensong@gmail.com Re: [september17discuss] Fwd: Volunteer coordination Monday, October 03, 2011 11:09:42 AM
the community relations committee is in need of volunteers to help engage local business owners/residents, and particularly to help build the 'No Comment' art show of #occupywallstreet art at wall st and broad. coordinating that is Kiril, CC'd above. justin On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 11:46 PM, Matthew Bralow <mbralow@gmail.com> wrote: amy, several other people actually had this idea too and i was going to propose it! perhaps each committee (if relevant) can come up with a list of things that volunteers from the general public can help out with. keep the list updated and have a copy at their respective information table as well as ONLINE on our website(s)!... will propose at next GA that all committees put a list like this together. i know many people have been doing a lot of work to make this movement happen, but it seems a lot of people are simply hanging out at OWS... which is ok, but it would be nice if they could be ENGAGED in something that will help the movement grow! this can be a way to immediately get people signed up and put to work. other people's thoughts? matt On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 6:02 PM, J.A. Myerson <jesse.myerson@gmail.com> wrote: > Great ideas. Anyone want to liaise with her about implementation or whether > some of these are already being done? I'm too out of the loop. > JAM > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------> From: Amy Offner <amy.c.offner@gmail.com> > Date: Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 9:17 AM > Subject: Volunteer coordination > To: jesse.myerson@gmail.com > Cc: Austin Guest <guest.austin@gmail.com>, Matthew Skomarovsky > <matthew@verypolite.com>, Yesenia Barragan <yb2221@columbia.edu> > > > Hi Jesse, > > I'm following up on our conversation a few nights ago about creating a > system for integrating short-term volunteers -- people who drop by for an > hour or two and want to help out. You asked for a proposal that you could > take to the general assembly. My friends Senia, Matthew, Austin, and I (all > on this email) came up with the idea below and are happy to help implement > it. All of us work and can't be at the occupation all the time, but can > contribute some time to getting this up and running. > > The basic idea has two parts:
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I. On the website, prominently list things that people can bring as donations, including: - Materials to make noisemakers (empty laundry detergent bottles with pennies inside, etc.) - Food, utensils, napkins - Money - A ream of paper to make leaflets - Art supplies - Hand sanitizer - Umbrellas, ponchos - If they have any credit card offers they received in the mail, bring the postage-paid return envelope. People at the occupation can write a letter to the bank and drop it in the mail. II. Expand the welcome booth on Broadway, and create a second one on the other side of the park. Add a big sign overhead reading "Want to help out, but only have an hour? Be a short-term volunteer." Have a 1-page handout ready with a list of things people can do. The handout can also include a list of nearby public bathrooms and the name and contact information for one person from each working group. At the table, there should also be supplementary materials needed for different tasks (materials listed below). Tasks could include: 1. Phonebanking to enlist support from organizations and public figures. Give volunteers a list to call, and a list of actions they can ask supporters to take -- for instance, add their name to a public list of supporters, speak or perform at an event, turn out members to an event, write a blog post or letter to the editor, make a donation, etc. Groups to call: labor, immigrant, civil rights, civil liberties, LGBT, feminist, environmental, housing, and politically active religious and arts groups. 2. Phonebanking to solicit food donations from restaurants, supermarkets. 3. Leafleting at Zuccotti Park and bank offices in Lower Manhattan. 4. Photocopying leaflets 5. Cleaning 6. Calling public officials (local, state, and national) to express support for the protest and complain about police brutality. Give people a list of numbers and suggested talking points. 7. Calling media to ask why they aren't covering the occupation. Give people a list of numbers and suggested talking points. 8. Outreach to businesses around Zuccotti Park that might not understand what's going on but could become allies. 9. Making public art to spread the occupation's presence throughout the city. For instance, if the table had a simple stencil design for posters reading "#OccupyWallStreet," short-term volunteers could make copies to take
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home, hang in their windows, and give to their neighbors to do the same. Or provide templates to write acrostics about banks. 10. Holding umbrellas over people and equipment to allow work to continue in the rain 11. Calling high-level bank officials to express support for the occupation. Give people numbers and suggested talking points. 12. Make T-shirts reading "I want this bank to pay its taxes. #OccupyWallStreet." Volunteers can put on a T-shirt, walk into a bank in the neighborhood, and do a variety of things (ask to speak to the CEO, ask to see the bank's financial statements, ask to open a checking account, whatever) until they get thrown out. 13. Buying food, umbrellas, ponchos ---Thanks for everything you're doing. Let us know what you think and how we can help. Amy, Austin, Matthew, and Senia
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Matthew Bralow amy.c.offner@gmail.com Jesse Alexander Myerson; guest.austin@gmail.com; matthew@verypolite.com; yb2221@columbia.edu; september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Fwd: Volunteer coordination Sunday, October 02, 2011 11:46:27 PM
amy, several other people actually had this idea too and i was going to propose it! perhaps each committee (if relevant) can come up with a list of things that volunteers from the general public can help out with. keep the list updated and have a copy at their respective information table as well as ONLINE on our website(s)!... will propose at next GA that all committees put a list like this together. i know many people have been doing a lot of work to make this movement happen, but it seems a lot of people are simply hanging out at OWS... which is ok, but it would be nice if they could be ENGAGED in something that will help the movement grow! this can be a way to immediately get people signed up and put to work. other people's thoughts? matt On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 6:02 PM, J.A. Myerson <jesse.myerson@gmail.com> wrote: > Great ideas. Anyone want to liaise with her about implementation or whether > some of these are already being done? I'm too out of the loop. > JAM > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------> From: Amy Offner <amy.c.offner@gmail.com> > Date: Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 9:17 AM > Subject: Volunteer coordination > To: jesse.myerson@gmail.com > Cc: Austin Guest <guest.austin@gmail.com>, Matthew Skomarovsky > <matthew@verypolite.com>, Yesenia Barragan <yb2221@columbia.edu> > > > Hi Jesse, > > I'm following up on our conversation a few nights ago about creating a > system for integrating short-term volunteers -- people who drop by for an > hour or two and want to help out. You asked for a proposal that you could > take to the general assembly. My friends Senia, Matthew, Austin, and I (all > on this email) came up with the idea below and are happy to help implement > it. All of us work and can't be at the occupation all the time, but can > contribute some time to getting this up and running. > > The basic idea has two parts: > > I. On the website, prominently list things that people can bring as > donations, including: > - Materials to make noisemakers (empty laundry detergent bottles with > pennies inside, etc.) > - Food, utensils, napkins > - Money > - A ream of paper to make leaflets > - Art supplies > - Hand sanitizer > - Umbrellas, ponchos > - If they have any credit card offers they received in the mail, bring the > postage-paid return envelope. People at the occupation can write a letter
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to the bank and drop it in the mail. II. Expand the welcome booth on Broadway, and create a second one on the other side of the park. Add a big sign overhead reading "Want to help out, but only have an hour? Be a short-term volunteer." Have a 1-page handout ready with a list of things people can do. The handout can also include a list of nearby public bathrooms and the name and contact information for one person from each working group. At the table, there should also be supplementary materials needed for different tasks (materials listed below). Tasks could include: 1. Phonebanking to enlist support from organizations and public figures. Give volunteers a list to call, and a list of actions they can ask supporters to take -- for instance, add their name to a public list of supporters, speak or perform at an event, turn out members to an event, write a blog post or letter to the editor, make a donation, etc. Groups to call: labor, immigrant, civil rights, civil liberties, LGBT, feminist, environmental, housing, and politically active religious and arts groups. 2. Phonebanking to solicit food donations from restaurants, supermarkets. 3. Leafleting at Zuccotti Park and bank offices in Lower Manhattan. 4. Photocopying leaflets 5. Cleaning 6. Calling public officials (local, state, and national) to express support for the protest and complain about police brutality. Give people a list of numbers and suggested talking points. 7. Calling media to ask why they aren't covering the occupation. Give people a list of numbers and suggested talking points. 8. Outreach to businesses around Zuccotti Park that might not understand what's going on but could become allies. 9. Making public art to spread the occupation's presence throughout the city. For instance, if the table had a simple stencil design for posters reading "#OccupyWallStreet," short-term volunteers could make copies to take home, hang in their windows, and give to their neighbors to do the same. Or provide templates to write acrostics about banks. 10. Holding umbrellas over people and equipment to allow work to continue in the rain 11. Calling high-level bank officials to express support for the occupation. Give people numbers and suggested talking points. 12. Make T-shirts reading "I want this bank to pay its taxes. #OccupyWallStreet." Volunteers can put on a T-shirt, walk into a bank in the neighborhood, and do a variety of things (ask to speak to the CEO, ask to see the bank's financial statements, ask to open a checking account, whatever) until they get thrown out. 13. Buying food, umbrellas, ponchos ---Thanks for everything you're doing. Let us know what you think and how we
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can help. Amy, Austin, Matthew, and Senia
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of shaista husain september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Group Claims to represent Occupy Wall Street Demands Wednesday, October 05, 2011 3:38:07 PM
This is not the worse group that has pretended to be the official occupywallstreet GA. ok--ive read some real whacky lies being circulated... I seriously doubt that other GAs are using this poll of demands for a vote, we need to be more serious (for example the little props in the first demands given to matt damon is a bit corny and can't take this document seriously it is childish) We can do a hundred times better once we get GA involved... yes, The World is Watching us. We are finance capital of the world. So please comrades, lets really take this issue in the most serious historical light. On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 3:31 PM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote: > This is some kind of questionaire for discussion and vote (does > anonymous seriously expect the US congress to address these proposed > demands?) Well, its obvious these are proposed demands, no need to > fear this---we have already concurred we are in CONVERSATION > mode--people are being radicalized and in conversation, so let the > conversations begin! Some of these demands have been already mentioned > and in discussion...i think we can do much better... > In solidarity, > Shaista > > On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 12:51 PM, <bf0189@gmail.com> wrote: >> We need to say that no demands are official unless posted on the GAs website >> and or occupywallst.org LOUDLY! >> >> ---------- Forwarded message --------->> From: Jackie DiSalvo <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> >> Date: >> Subject: [september17discuss] Group Claims to represent Occupy Wall Street >> Demands >> To: september17@googlegroups.com >> CC: labor-outreach-committee@googlegroups.com >> >> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>
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This group purports to speak for us; Im afraid thats the danger when we dont officially approve our own demands
Occupy Wall Street - Official Demands
Written by Anonymous
The Sovereign People's Movement, represented nationally through the people occupying the various Liberty Square locations across this great country, have laid out and democratically submitted and are currently voting on the list of following Demands to then be distilled into one Unified Common demand of the people. Participate in Democracy and Vote Here to Have Your Voice Heard
LIST OF PROPOSED "DEMANDS FOR CONGRESS" 1. CONGRESS PASS HR 1489 ("RETURN TO PRUDENT BANKING ACT" http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h112-1489 ). THIS REINSTATES MANY PROVISIONS OF THE GLASS-STEAGALL ACT. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GlassSteagall_Act --- Wiki entry summary: The repeal of provisions of the GlassSteagall Act of 1933 by the GrammLeachBliley Act in 1999 effectively removed the separation that previously existed between investment banking which issued securities and commercial banks which accepted deposits. The
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deregulation also removed conflict of interest prohibitions between investment bankers serving as officers of commercial banks. Most economists believe this repeal directly contributed to the severity of the Financial crisis of 20072011 by allowing Wall Street investment banking firms to gamble with their depositors' money that was held in commercial banks owned or created by the investment firms. Here's detail on repeal in 1999 and how it happened: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GlassSteagall_Act#Repeal . Vote Here #1 2. USE CONGRESSIONAL AUTHORITY AND OVERSIGHT TO ENSURE APPROPRIATE FEDERAL AGENCIES FULLY INVESTIGATE AND PROSECUTE THE WALL STREET CRIMINALS who clearly broke the law and helped cause the 2008 financial crisis in the following notable cases: (insert list of the most clear cut criminal actions). There is a pretty broad consensus that there is a clear group of people who got away with millions / billions illegally and haven't been brought to justice. Boy would this be long overdue and cathartic for millions of Americans. It would also be a shot across the bow for the financial industry. If you watch the solidly researched and awared winning documentary film "Inside Job" that was narrated by Matt Damon (pretty brave Matt!) and do other research, it wouldn't take long to develop the list. Vote Here #2 3. CONGRESS ENACT LEGISLATION TO PROTECT OUR DEMOCRACY BY REVERSING THE EFFECTS OF THE CITIZENS UNITED SUPREME COURT DECISION which essentially said corporations can spend as much as they want on elections. The result is that corporations can pretty much buy elections. Corporations should be highly limited in ability to contribute to political campaigns no matter what the election and no matter what the form of media. This legislation should also RE-ESTABLISH THE PUBLIC AIRWAVES IN THE U.S. SO THAT POLITICAL CANDIDATES ARE GIVEN EQUAL TIME FOR FREE AT REASONABLE INTERVALS IN DAILY PROGRAMMING DURING CAMPAIGN SEASON. The same should extend to other media. Vote Here #3 4. CONGRESS PASS THE BUFFETT RULE ON FAIR TAXATION SO THE RICH AND CORPORATIONS PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE & CLOSE CORPORATE TAX LOOP HOLES AND ENACT A PROHIBITION ON HIDING FUNDS OFF SHORE. No more GE paying zero or
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negative taxes. Pass the Buffet Rule on fair taxation so the rich pay their fair share. (If we have a really had a good negotiating position and have the place surrounded, we could actually dial up taxes on millionaires, billionaires and corporations even higher...back to what they once were in the 50's and 60's. Vote Here #4 5. CONGRESS COMPLETELY REVAMP THE SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION and staff it at all levels with proven professionals who get the job done protecting the integrity of the marketplace so citizens and investors are both protected. This agency needs a large staff and needs to be well-funded. It's currently has a joke of a budget and is run by Wall St. insiders who often leave for high ticket cushy jobs with the corporations they were just regulating. Hmmm. Vote Here #5 6. CONGRESS PASS SPECIFIC AND EFFECTIVE LAWS LIMITING THE INFLUENCE OF LOBBYISTS AND ELIMINATING THE PRACTICE OF LOBBYISTS WRITING LEGISLATION THAT ENDS UP ON THE FLOOR OF CONGRESS. Vote Here #6 7. CONGRESS PASSING "Revolving Door Legislation" LEGISLATION ELIMINATING THE ABILITY OF FORMER GOVERNMENT REGULATORS GOING TO WORK FOR CORPORATIONS THAT THEY ONCE REGULATED. So, you don't get to work at the FDA for five years playing softball with Pfizer and then go to work for Pfizer making $195,000 a year. While they're at it, Congress should pass specific and effective laws to enforce strict judicial standards of conduct in matters concerning conflicts of interest. So long as judges are culled from the ranks of corporate attorneys the 1% will retain control. Vote Here #7 8. ELIMINATE "PERSONHOOD" LEGAL STATUS FOR CORPORATIONS. The film "The Corporation" has a great section on how corporations won "personhood status". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SuUzmqBewg . Fast-forward to 2:20. It'll blow your mind. The 14th amendment was supposed to give equal rights to African Americans. It said you "can't deprive a person of life, liberty or property without due process of law". Corporation lawyers wanted corporations to have more power so they basically said "corporations are people." Amazingly, between 1890 and 1910 there were 307 cases brought before the court under the 14th amendment. 288 of these brought by corporations and only 19 by African Americans. 600,000
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people were killed to get rights for people and then judges applied those rights to capital and property while stripping them from people. It's time to set this straight. Vote Here #8 To Vote on All #Revolution Demands - Click Here
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of guindave@aol.com september17@googlegroups.com labor-outreach-committee@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Group Claims to represent Occupy Wall Street Demands Wednesday, October 05, 2011 6:04:36 PM
Jackie is right as always -----Original Message----From: Jackie DiSalvo <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> To: september17 <september17@googlegroups.com> Cc: labor-outreach-committee <labor-outreach-committee@googlegroups.com> Sent: Wed, Oct 5, 2011 12:49 pm Subject: [september17discuss] Group Claims to represent Occupy Wall Street Demands This group purports to speak for us; Imafraid thats the danger when we dont officially approve our own demands Occupy Wall Street Official Demands Written by Anonymous The Sovereign People's Movement, represented nationally through the people occupying the various Liberty Square locations across this great country, have laid out and democratically submitted and are currently voting on the list of following Demands to then be distilled into one Unified Common demand of the people. Participate in Democracy and Vote Here to Have Your Voice Heard LIST OF PROPOSED "DEMANDS FOR CONGRESS" 1. CONGRESS PASS HR 1489 ("RETURN TO PRUDENT BANKING ACT" http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h112-1489 ). THIS REINSTATES MANY PROVISIONS OF THE GLASS-STEAGALL ACT. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GlassSteagall_Act --- Wiki entry summary: The repeal of provisions of the GlassSteagall Act of 1933 by the GrammLeachBliley Act in 1999 effectively removed the separation that previously existed between investment banking which issued securities and commercial banks which accepted deposits. The deregulation also removed conflict of interest prohibitions between investment bankers serving as officers of commercial banks. Most economists believe this repeal directly contributed to the severity of the Financial crisis of 20072011 by allowing Wall Street investment banking firms to gamble with their depositors' money that was held in commercial banks owned or created by the investment firms. Here's detail on repeal in 1999 and how it happened: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GlassSteagall_Act#Repeal . Vote Here #1 2. USE CONGRESSIONAL AUTHORITY AND OVERSIGHT TO ENSURE APPROPRIATE FEDERAL AGENCIES FULLY INVESTIGATE AND PROSECUTE THE WALL STREET CRIMINALS who clearly broke the law and helped cause the 2008 financial crisis in the following notable cases: (insert list of the most clear cut criminal actions). There is a pretty broad consensus that there is a clear group of people who got away with millions / billions illegally and haven't been brought to justice. Boy would this be long overdue and cathartic for millions of Americans. It would also be a shot across the bow for the financial industry. If you watch the solidly researched and awared winning documentary film "Inside Job" that was narrated by Matt Damon (pretty brave Matt!) and do other research, it wouldn't take long to develop the list. Vote Here #2 3. CONGRESS ENACT LEGISLATION TO PROTECT OUR DEMOCRACY
BY REVERSING THE EFFECTS OF THE CITIZENS UNITED SUPREME COURT DECISION which essentially said corporations can spend as much as they want on elections. The result is that corporations can pretty much buy elections. Corporations should be highly limited in ability to contribute to political campaigns no matter what the election and no matter what the form of media. This legislation should also RE-ESTABLISH THE PUBLIC AIRWAVES IN THE U.S. SO THAT POLITICAL CANDIDATES ARE GIVEN EQUAL TIME FOR FREE AT REASONABLE INTERVALS IN DAILY PROGRAMMING DURING CAMPAIGN SEASON. The same should extend to other media. Vote Here #3 4. CONGRESS PASS THE BUFFETT RULE ON FAIR TAXATION SO THE RICH AND CORPORATIONS PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE & CLOSE CORPORATE TAX LOOP HOLES AND ENACT A PROHIBITION ON HIDING FUNDS OFF SHORE. No more GE paying zero or negative taxes. Pass the Buffet Rule on fair taxation so the rich pay their fair share. (If we have a really had a good negotiating position and have the place surrounded, we could actually dial up taxes on millionaires, billionaires and corporations even higher...back to what they once were in the 50's and 60's. Vote Here #4 5. CONGRESS COMPLETELY REVAMP THE SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION and staff it at all levels with proven professionals who get the job done protecting the integrity of the marketplace so citizens and investors are both protected. This agency needs a large staff and needs to be well-funded. It's currently has a joke of a budget and is run by Wall St. insiders who often leave for high ticket cushy jobs with the corporations they were just regulating. Hmmm. Vote Here #5 6. CONGRESS PASS SPECIFIC AND EFFECTIVE LAWS LIMITING THE INFLUENCE OF LOBBYISTS AND ELIMINATING THE PRACTICE OF LOBBYISTS WRITING LEGISLATION THAT ENDS UP ON THE FLOOR OF CONGRESS. Vote Here #6 7. CONGRESS PASSING "Revolving Door Legislation" LEGISLATION ELIMINATING THE ABILITY OF FORMER GOVERNMENT REGULATORS GOING TO WORK FOR CORPORATIONS THAT THEY ONCE REGULATED. So, you don't get to work at the FDA for five years playing softball with Pfizer and then go to work for Pfizer making $195,000 a year. While they're at it, Congress should pass specific and effective laws to enforce strict judicial standards of conduct in matters concerning conflicts of interest. So long as judges are culled from the ranks of corporate attorneys the 1% will retain control. Vote Here #7 8. ELIMINATE "PERSONHOOD" LEGAL STATUS FOR CORPORATIONS. The film "The Corporation" has a great section on how corporations won "personhood status". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SuUzmqBewg . Fast-forward to 2:20. It'll blow your mind. The 14th amendment was supposed to give equal rights to African Americans. It said you "can't deprive a person of life, liberty or property without due process of law". Corporation lawyers wanted corporations to have more power so they basically said "corporations are people." Amazingly, between 1890 and 1910 there were 307 cases brought before the court under the 14th amendment. 288 of these brought by corporations and only 19 by African Americans. 600,000 people were killed to get rights for people and then judges applied those rights to capital and property while stripping them from people. It's time to set this straight. Vote Here #8 To Vote on All #Revolution Demands Click Here
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of acpollack2@juno.com september17@googlegroups.com; labor-outreach-committee@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Group Claims to represent Occupy Wall Street Demands Wednesday, October 05, 2011 11:40:51 PM
where was this published or which list was it on? we definitely need our own LOC analysis -- and to make clear to followers of OWS that these assholes don't speak for us sorry for the harsh language but the contradiction between the tens of thousands of young workers marching today who want jobs, cancellation of their debt, etc., and these right-wing maniacs with their economic conspiracy theories is just too infuriating
---------- Original Message ---------From: guindave@aol.com To: september17@googlegroups.com Cc: labor-outreach-committee@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [september17discuss] Group Claims to represent Occupy Wall Street Demands Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 18:04:25 -0400 (EDT) Jackie is right as always -----Original Message----From: Jackie DiSalvo <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> To: september17 <september17@googlegroups.com> Cc: labor-outreach-committee <labor-outreach-committee@googlegroups.com> Sent: Wed, Oct 5, 2011 12:49 pm Subject: [september17discuss] Group Claims to represent Occupy Wall Street Demands This group purports to speak for us; Imafraid thats the danger when we dont officially approve our own demands Occupy Wall Street Official Demands Written by Anonymous The Sovereign People's Movement, represented nationally through the people occupying the various Liberty Square locations across this great country, have laid out and democratically submitted and are currently voting on the list of following Demands to then be distilled into one Unified Common demand of the people. Participate in Democracy and Vote Here to Have Your Voice Heard LIST OF PROPOSED "DEMANDS FOR CONGRESS" 1. CONGRESS PASS HR 1489 ("RETURN TO PRUDENT BANKING ACT" http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h112-1489 ). THIS REINSTATES MANY PROVISIONS OF THE GLASS-STEAGALL ACT. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GlassSteagall_Act --- Wiki entry summary: The repeal of provisions of the GlassSteagall Act of 1933 by the GrammLeachBliley Act in 1999 effectively removed the separation that previously existed between investment banking which issued
securities and commercial banks which accepted deposits. The deregulation also removed conflict of interest prohibitions between investment bankers serving as officers of commercial banks. Most economists believe this repeal directly contributed to the severity of the Financial crisis of 20072011 by allowing Wall Street investment banking firms to gamble with their depositors' money that was held in commercial banks owned or created by the investment firms. Here's detail on repeal in 1999 and how it happened: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GlassSteagall_Act#Repeal . Vote Here #1 2. USE CONGRESSIONAL AUTHORITY AND OVERSIGHT TO ENSURE APPROPRIATE FEDERAL AGENCIES FULLY INVESTIGATE AND PROSECUTE THE WALL STREET CRIMINALS who clearly broke the law and helped cause the 2008 financial crisis in the following notable cases: (insert list of the most clear cut criminal actions). There is a pretty broad consensus that there is a clear group of people who got away with millions / billions illegally and haven't been brought to justice. Boy would this be long overdue and cathartic for millions of Americans. It would also be a shot across the bow for the financial industry. If you watch the solidly researched and awared winning documentary film "Inside Job" that was narrated by Matt Damon (pretty brave Matt!) and do other research, it wouldn't take long to develop the list. Vote Here #2 3. CONGRESS ENACT LEGISLATION TO PROTECT OUR DEMOCRACY BY REVERSING THE EFFECTS OF THE CITIZENS UNITED SUPREME COURT DECISION which essentially said corporations can spend as much as they want on elections. The result is that corporations can pretty much buy elections. Corporations should be highly limited in ability to contribute to political campaigns no matter what the election and no matter what the form of media. This legislation should also RE-ESTABLISH THE PUBLIC AIRWAVES IN THE U.S. SO THAT POLITICAL CANDIDATES ARE GIVEN EQUAL TIME FOR FREE AT REASONABLE INTERVALS IN DAILY PROGRAMMING DURING CAMPAIGN SEASON. The same should extend to other media. Vote Here #3 4. CONGRESS PASS THE BUFFETT RULE ON FAIR TAXATION SO THE RICH AND CORPORATIONS PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE & CLOSE CORPORATE TAX LOOP HOLES AND ENACT A PROHIBITION ON HIDING FUNDS OFF SHORE. No more GE paying zero or negative taxes. Pass the Buffet Rule on fair taxation so the rich pay their fair share. (If we have a really had a good negotiating position and have the place surrounded, we could actually dial up taxes on millionaires, billionaires and corporations even higher...back to what they once were in the 50's and 60's. Vote Here #4 5. CONGRESS COMPLETELY REVAMP THE SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION and staff it at all levels with proven professionals who get the job done protecting the integrity of the marketplace so citizens and investors are both protected. This agency needs a large staff and needs to be well-funded. It's currently has a joke of a budget and is run by Wall St. insiders who often leave for high ticket cushy jobs with the corporations they were just regulating. Hmmm. Vote Here #5 6. CONGRESS PASS SPECIFIC AND EFFECTIVE LAWS LIMITING THE INFLUENCE OF LOBBYISTS AND ELIMINATING THE PRACTICE OF LOBBYISTS WRITING LEGISLATION THAT ENDS UP ON THE FLOOR OF CONGRESS.
Vote Here #6 7. CONGRESS PASSING "Revolving Door Legislation" LEGISLATION ELIMINATING THE ABILITY OF FORMER GOVERNMENT REGULATORS GOING TO WORK FOR CORPORATIONS THAT THEY ONCE REGULATED. So, you don't get to work at the FDA for five years playing softball with Pfizer and then go to work for Pfizer making $195,000 a year. While they're at it, Congress should pass specific and effective laws to enforce strict judicial standards of conduct in matters concerning conflicts of interest. So long as judges are culled from the ranks of corporate attorneys the 1% will retain control. Vote Here #7 8. ELIMINATE "PERSONHOOD" LEGAL STATUS FOR CORPORATIONS. The film "The Corporation" has a great section on how corporations won "personhood status". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SuUzmqBewg . Fast-forward to 2:20. It'll blow your mind. The 14th amendment was supposed to give equal rights to African Americans. It said you "can't deprive a person of life, liberty or property without due process of law". Corporation lawyers wanted corporations to have more power so they basically said "corporations are people." Amazingly, between 1890 and 1910 there were 307 cases brought before the court under the 14th amendment. 288 of these brought by corporations and only 19 by African Americans. 600,000 people were killed to get rights for people and then judges applied those rights to capital and property while stripping them from people. It's time to set this straight. Vote Here #8 To Vote on All #Revolution Demands Click Here
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of shaista husain september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Group Claims to represent Occupy Wall Street Demands Wednesday, October 05, 2011 3:31:51 PM
This is some kind of questionaire for discussion and vote (does anonymous seriously expect the US congress to address these proposed demands?) Well, its obvious these are proposed demands, no need to fear this---we have already concurred we are in CONVERSATION mode--people are being radicalized and in conversation, so let the conversations begin! Some of these demands have been already mentioned and in discussion...i think we can do much better... In solidarity, Shaista On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 12:51 PM, <bf0189@gmail.com> wrote: > We need to say that no demands are official unless posted on the GAs website > and or occupywallst.org LOUDLY! > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------> From: Jackie DiSalvo <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> > Date: > Subject: [september17discuss] Group Claims to represent Occupy Wall Street > Demands > To: september17@googlegroups.com > CC: labor-outreach-committee@googlegroups.com > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> This group purports to speak for us; Im >> afraid thats the danger when we dont officially approve our own demands >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Occupy >> Wall Street - Official Demands >>
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Written by Anonymous
The Sovereign People's Movement, represented nationally through the people occupying the various Liberty Square locations across this great country, have laid out and democratically submitted and are currently voting on the list of following Demands to then be distilled into one Unified Common demand of the people. Participate in Democracy and Vote Here to Have Your Voice Heard
LIST OF PROPOSED "DEMANDS FOR CONGRESS" 1. CONGRESS PASS HR 1489 ("RETURN TO PRUDENT BANKING ACT" http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h112-1489 ). THIS REINSTATES MANY PROVISIONS OF THE GLASS-STEAGALL ACT. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GlassSteagall_Act --- Wiki entry summary: The repeal of provisions of the GlassSteagall Act of 1933 by the GrammLeachBliley Act in 1999 effectively removed the separation that previously existed between investment banking which issued securities and commercial banks which accepted deposits. The deregulation also removed conflict of interest prohibitions between investment bankers serving as officers of commercial banks. Most economists believe this repeal directly contributed to the severity of the Financial crisis of 20072011 by allowing Wall Street investment banking firms to gamble with their depositors' money that was held in commercial banks owned or created by the investment firms. Here's detail on repeal in 1999 and how it happened: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GlassSteagall_Act#Repeal . Vote Here #1
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2. USE CONGRESSIONAL AUTHORITY AND OVERSIGHT TO ENSURE APPROPRIATE FEDERAL AGENCIES FULLY INVESTIGATE AND PROSECUTE THE WALL STREET CRIMINALS who clearly broke the law and helped cause the 2008 financial crisis in the following notable cases: (insert list of the most clear cut criminal actions). There is a pretty broad consensus that there is a clear group of people who got away with millions / billions illegally and haven't been brought to justice. Boy would this be long overdue and cathartic for millions of Americans. It would also be a shot across the bow for the financial industry. If you watch the solidly researched and awared winning documentary film "Inside Job" that was narrated by Matt Damon (pretty brave Matt!) and do other research, it wouldn't take long to develop the list. Vote Here #2 3. CONGRESS ENACT LEGISLATION TO PROTECT OUR DEMOCRACY BY REVERSING THE EFFECTS OF THE CITIZENS UNITED SUPREME COURT DECISION which essentially said corporations can spend as much as they want on elections. The result is that corporations can pretty much buy elections. Corporations should be highly limited in ability to contribute to political campaigns no matter what the election and no matter what the form of media. This legislation should also RE-ESTABLISH THE PUBLIC AIRWAVES IN THE U.S. SO THAT POLITICAL CANDIDATES ARE GIVEN EQUAL TIME FOR FREE AT REASONABLE INTERVALS IN DAILY PROGRAMMING DURING CAMPAIGN SEASON. The same should extend to other media. Vote Here #3 4. CONGRESS PASS THE BUFFETT RULE ON FAIR TAXATION SO THE RICH AND CORPORATIONS PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE & CLOSE CORPORATE TAX LOOP HOLES AND ENACT A PROHIBITION ON HIDING FUNDS OFF SHORE. No more GE paying zero or negative taxes. Pass the Buffet Rule on fair taxation so the rich pay their fair share. (If we have a really had a good negotiating position and have the place surrounded, we could actually dial up taxes on millionaires, billionaires and corporations even higher...back to what they once were in the 50's and 60's. Vote Here #4 5. CONGRESS COMPLETELY REVAMP THE SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION and staff it at all levels with proven professionals who get the job done protecting the
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
integrity of the marketplace so citizens and investors are both protected. This agency needs a large staff and needs to be well-funded. It's currently has a joke of a budget and is run by Wall St. insiders who often leave for high ticket cushy jobs with the corporations they were just regulating. Hmmm. Vote Here #5 6. CONGRESS PASS SPECIFIC AND EFFECTIVE LAWS LIMITING THE INFLUENCE OF LOBBYISTS AND ELIMINATING THE PRACTICE OF LOBBYISTS WRITING LEGISLATION THAT ENDS UP ON THE FLOOR OF CONGRESS. Vote Here #6 7. CONGRESS PASSING "Revolving Door Legislation" LEGISLATION ELIMINATING THE ABILITY OF FORMER GOVERNMENT REGULATORS GOING TO WORK FOR CORPORATIONS THAT THEY ONCE REGULATED. So, you don't get to work at the FDA for five years playing softball with Pfizer and then go to work for Pfizer making $195,000 a year. While they're at it, Congress should pass specific and effective laws to enforce strict judicial standards of conduct in matters concerning conflicts of interest. So long as judges are culled from the ranks of corporate attorneys the 1% will retain control. Vote Here #7 8. ELIMINATE "PERSONHOOD" LEGAL STATUS FOR CORPORATIONS. The film "The Corporation" has a great section on how corporations won "personhood status". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SuUzmqBewg . Fast-forward to 2:20. It'll blow your mind. The 14th amendment was supposed to give equal rights to African Americans. It said you "can't deprive a person of life, liberty or property without due process of law". Corporation lawyers wanted corporations to have more power so they basically said "corporations are people." Amazingly, between 1890 and 1910 there were 307 cases brought before the court under the 14th amendment. 288 of these brought by corporations and only 19 by African Americans. 600,000 people were killed to get rights for people and then judges applied those rights to capital and property while stripping them from people. It's time to set this straight. Vote Here #8 To Vote on All #Revolution Demands - Click Here
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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Will Gauss september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Liberty Park is filling to capacity. We need to plan for overflow. Monday, October 03, 2011 8:57:17 AM
In my opinion, the First Amendment trumps city law. This is exactly the kind of chilling law which the First Amendment's assembly and speech protections is designed to prevent. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 3, 2011, at 8:28 AM, "Jackie DiSalvo" <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> wrote: It is illegal for over 20 people to meet in a city park.
From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Gabriel Johnson Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2011 10:59 PM To: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [september17discuss] Liberty Park is filling to capacity. We need to plan for overflow.
I was in the process of typing up a reply, saw your email, you are probably right. Key points: Public parks do technically close, and I don't think Washington Square Park is an ideal location for other reasons. Is "direct action" the new name for tactical? And when + where are the meetings? --glj On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 10:55 PM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: Since this is a sensitive security issue, we may not want to discuss this on the public listserv because it's undoubtedly under police surveillance. We should probably call a meeting of the direct action working group to discuss this in person. Doug On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 10:47 PM, hextic <willgauss@gmail.com> wrote: Currently, the NYPD has allowed Liberty Park to be occupied, and from what I see the occupation there is stable. Though, I am sure that they are looking for any excuse to clear the park. One such excuse could easily become sanitation or health concerns due to crowding. These excuses are very PR-friendly for the NYPD. In order to expand the occupation we need to occupy another park, preferably a larger one. We should absolutely continue to use Liberty Park as our primary demonstration site and rallying point, but it will not house the entire 99%. I propose that we explore how we might
assume control of Washington Square Park. As public land, there is no excuse for eviction that we are trespassing. A physically large presence in the park will make NYPD interference difficult because they will have to wade through a sea of people to find the one person who happens to be wearing a mask or more recently, has chained a bicycle to something. There are arches which we can triumphantly march through and return through. The open aerial coverage presents multiple excellent media photography opportunities, capturing us as a sea of people like the pictures we saw from Tahrir Square in Egypt. This move would also serve to greatly expand the demonstration. I suspect that the Liberty Park demonstration is self-limiting. People will not willingly walk into a too-dense crowd of people. So, the physical dimensions of Liberty Plaza limits the number of occupants naturally, potentially making the choice between whether a person stays the night, ensuring participation the next day or not. I do not propose that we occupy Washington Square Park immediately, only that we begin planning for it. On Wednesday, we will have significant numbers of people which we will want to encourage to stay by any and all mans. I suggest that once the march returns to Liberty Park, we use the People's Mic to announce that anyone who would like to stay but cannot find space there, to form a march to Washington Square Park to found a brand new encampment there.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jackie DiSalvo september17@googlegroups.com RE: [september17discuss] Liberty Park is filling to capacity. We need to plan for overflow. Monday, October 03, 2011 8:28:52 AM
It is illegal for over 20 people to meet in a city park.

I was in the process of typing up a reply, saw your email, you are probably right. Key points: Public parks do technically close, and I don't think Washington Square Park is an ideal location for other reasons. Is "direct action" the new name for tactical? And when + where are the meetings? --glj On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 10:55 PM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: Since this is a sensitive security issue, we may not want to discuss this on the public listserv because it's undoubtedly under police surveillance. We should probably call a meeting of the direct action working group to discuss this in person. Doug On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 10:47 PM, hextic <willgauss@gmail.com> wrote: Currently, the NYPD has allowed Liberty Park to be occupied, and from what I see the occupation there is stable. Though, I am sure that they are looking for any excuse to clear the park. One such excuse could easily become sanitation or health concerns due to crowding. These excuses are very PR-friendly for the NYPD. In order to expand the occupation we need to occupy another park, preferably a larger one. We should absolutely continue to use Liberty Park as our primary demonstration site and rallying point, but it will not house the entire 99%. I propose that we explore how we might assume control of Washington Square Park. As public land, there is no excuse for eviction that we are trespassing. A physically large presence in the park will make NYPD interference difficult because they will have to wade through a sea of people to find the one person who happens to be wearing a mask or more recently, has chained a bicycle to something. There are arches which we can triumphantly march through and return through. The open aerial coverage presents multiple excellent media photography opportunities, capturing us as a sea of people like the pictures we saw from Tahrir Square in Egypt. This move would also serve to greatly expand the demonstration. I
suspect that the Liberty Park demonstration is self-limiting. People will not willingly walk into a too-dense crowd of people. So, the physical dimensions of Liberty Plaza limits the number of occupants naturally, potentially making the choice between whether a person stays the night, ensuring participation the next day or not. I do not propose that we occupy Washington Square Park immediately, only that we begin planning for it. On Wednesday, we will have significant numbers of people which we will want to encourage to stay by any and all mans. I suggest that once the march returns to Liberty Park, we use the People's Mic to announce that anyone who would like to stay but cannot find space there, to form a march to Washington Square Park to found a brand new encampment there.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Doug Singsen september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Liberty Park is filling to capacity. We need to plan for overflow. Monday, October 03, 2011 10:26:58 AM
We need to set a time to meet and discuss this. I assume this should be done through the direct action committee. (The tactical committee seems to have become direct action, I believe.) On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 8:56 AM, Will Gauss <willgauss@gmail.com> wrote: In my opinion, the First Amendment trumps city law. This is exactly the kind of chilling law which the First Amendment's assembly and speech protections is designed to prevent. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 3, 2011, at 8:28 AM, "Jackie DiSalvo" <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> wrote: It is illegal for over 20 people to meet in a city park.
I was in the process of typing up a reply, saw your email, you are probably right. Key points: Public parks do technically close, and I don't think Washington Square Park is an ideal location for other reasons. Is "direct action" the new name for tactical? And when + where are the meetings?
--glj
On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 10:55 PM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: Since this is a sensitive security issue, we may not want to discuss this on the public listserv because it's undoubtedly under police surveillance. We should probably call a meeting of the direct action working group to discuss this in person.
Doug
On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 10:47 PM, hextic <willgauss@gmail.com> wrote: Currently, the NYPD has allowed Liberty Park to be occupied, and from what I see the occupation there is stable. Though, I am sure that they are looking for any excuse to clear the park. One such excuse could easily become sanitation or health concerns due to crowding. These excuses are very PR-friendly for the NYPD. In order to expand the occupation we need to occupy another park, preferably a larger one. We should absolutely continue to use Liberty Park as our primary demonstration site and rallying point, but it will not house the entire 99%. I propose that we explore how we might assume control of Washington Square Park. As public land, there is no excuse for eviction that we are trespassing. A physically large presence in the park will make NYPD interference difficult because they will have to wade through a sea of people to find the one person who happens to be wearing a mask or more recently, has chained a bicycle to something. There are arches which we can triumphantly march through and return through. The open aerial coverage presents multiple excellent media photography opportunities, capturing us as a sea of people like the pictures we saw from Tahrir Square in Egypt. This move would also serve to greatly expand the demonstration. I suspect that the Liberty Park demonstration is self-limiting. People will not willingly walk into a too-dense crowd of people. So, the physical dimensions of Liberty Plaza limits the number of occupants naturally, potentially making the choice between whether a person stays the night, ensuring participation the next day or not. I do not propose that we occupy Washington Square Park immediately, only that we begin planning for it. On Wednesday, we will have significant numbers of people which we will want to encourage to stay by any and all mans. I suggest that once the march returns to Liberty Park, we use the People's Mic to announce that anyone who would like to stay but cannot find space there, to form a march to Washington Square Park to found a brand new encampment there.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Gabriel Johnson september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Liberty Park is filling to capacity. We need to plan for overflow. Sunday, October 02, 2011 10:59:40 PM
I was in the process of typing up a reply, saw your email, you are probably right. Key points: Public parks do technically close, and I don't think Washington Square Park is an ideal location for other reasons. Is "direct action" the new name for tactical? And when + where are the meetings? --glj On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 10:55 PM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: Since this is a sensitive security issue, we may not want to discuss this on the public listserv because it's undoubtedly under police surveillance. We should probably call a meeting of the direct action working group to discuss this in person. Doug On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 10:47 PM, hextic <willgauss@gmail.com> wrote: Currently, the NYPD has allowed Liberty Park to be occupied, and from what I see the occupation there is stable. Though, I am sure that they are looking for any excuse to clear the park. One such excuse could easily become sanitation or health concerns due to crowding. These excuses are very PR-friendly for the NYPD. In order to expand the occupation we need to occupy another park, preferably a larger one. We should absolutely continue to use Liberty Park as our primary demonstration site and rallying point, but it will not house the entire 99%. I propose that we explore how we might assume control of Washington Square Park. As public land, there is no excuse for eviction that we are trespassing. A physically large presence in the park will make NYPD interference difficult because they will have to wade through a sea of people to find the one person who happens to be wearing a mask or more recently, has chained a bicycle to something. There are arches which we can triumphantly march through and return through. The open aerial coverage presents multiple excellent media photography opportunities, capturing us as a sea of people like the pictures we saw from Tahrir Square in Egypt. This move would also serve to greatly expand the demonstration. I suspect that the Liberty Park demonstration is self-limiting. People will not willingly walk into a too-dense crowd of people. So, the physical dimensions of Liberty Plaza limits the number of occupants naturally, potentially making the choice between whether a person stays the night, ensuring participation the next day or not. I do not propose that we occupy Washington Square Park immediately, only that we begin planning for it. On Wednesday, we will have significant numbers of people which we will want to encourage to stay by any and all mans. I suggest that once the march returns to Liberty
Park, we use the People's Mic to announce that anyone who would like to stay but cannot find space there, to form a march to Washington Square Park to found a brand new encampment there.
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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Lisa Fithian september17@googlegroups.com RE: [september17discuss] Liberty Park is filling to capacity. We need to plan for overflow. Sunday, October 02, 2011 11:49:46 PM Wall St Midtown.xls M12-MidTown Map.docx Wall Street TRE.xls M12-WS Maps.docx Wall Street Parks.docx
Ok if these maps attached come through they may help. There is a fantastic inside public lobby at Deutche Bank of Wall Street Also along Water St. but closer to water and far from subways In Midtown there is a zone on 6th Ave and Park Ave with a series of good locations On 6th Ave in particular there are buildings with great big plazas that can be seen from each other. The Partnership for NY City is across from Battery Park and again tons of corporations are on their board From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Gabriel Johnson Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2011 10:04 PM To: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [september17discuss] Liberty Park is filling to capacity. We need to plan for overflow.
Midtown is where a bunch of financial firms are, too; probably even more than Wall Street itself at this point. --glj On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 11:01 PM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote: We are Occupy Wall Street, moving to Washington Square Park will make de-politicise this occupation its symbolic and direct action! We are gaining momentum because it is in Wall Street. If we do take this anywhere else in NYC, it should be politically strategic change, like in front of the United Nations. I am sorry i will stand with the 99% wherever we decide to go, but we should think strategically, even if we are larger in numbers, by moving further from the heart of the problem and wall street, We will lose political clout. We need a place that send a resounding message to the rest of the world. United Nations is a good place to occupy to get that message across. How? not sure, but there is a lot of space in front of the UN, not as lovely as washington square but politically more potent. On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 10:47 PM, hextic <willgauss@gmail.com> wrote: > Currently, the NYPD has allowed Liberty Park to be occupied, and from
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
what I see the occupation there is stable. Though, I am sure that they are looking for any excuse to clear the park. One such excuse could easily become sanitation or health concerns due to crowding. These excuses are very PR-friendly for the NYPD. In order to expand the occupation we need to occupy another park, preferably a larger one. We should absolutely continue to use Liberty Park as our primary demonstration site and rallying point, but it will not house the entire 99%. I propose that we explore how we might assume control of Washington Square Park. As public land, there is no excuse for eviction that we are trespassing. A physically large presence in the park will make NYPD interference difficult because they will have to wade through a sea of people to find the one person who happens to be wearing a mask or more recently, has chained a bicycle to something. There are arches which we can triumphantly march through and return through. The open aerial coverage presents multiple excellent media photography opportunities, capturing us as a sea of people like the pictures we saw from Tahrir Square in Egypt. This move would also serve to greatly expand the demonstration. I suspect that the Liberty Park demonstration is self-limiting. People will not willingly walk into a too-dense crowd of people. So, the physical dimensions of Liberty Plaza limits the number of occupants naturally, potentially making the choice between whether a person stays the night, ensuring participation the next day or not. I do not propose that we occupy Washington Square Park immediately, only that we begin planning for it. On Wednesday, we will have significant numbers of people which we will want to encourage to stay by any and all mans. I suggest that once the march returns to Liberty Park, we use the People's Mic to announce that anyone who would like to stay but cannot find space there, to form a march to Washington Square Park to found a brand new encampment there.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Will Gauss september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Marines Head to Wall Streetto Protect Protesters - Veteran issues call to pals to shield demonstrators Wednesday, October 05, 2011 11:50:24 AM
From what I saw on livestream they're there but not in uniform. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 5, 2011, at 11:24 AM, Gabriel Johnson <gabjoh2@gmail.com> wrote: I've been hearing about it for almost a week, and I figured I'd get a definitive answer on this list: has anyone here actually seen said uniformed Marines? Or they came but decided not to wear their uniforms? Or something else? It would be kind of awesome if true, but, as they say on the internet, "pics or it didn't happen." --glj On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 10:09 AM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: "I'm heading up there tonight in my dress blues," announced a Marine veteran in a message reposted by another anti-war vet on his Facebook page. "So far, 15 of my fellow Marine buddies are meeting me there, also in uniform. I didn't fight for Wall Street. I fought for America." The vet adds that his "true hope is that we, as veterans, can act as a first line of defense between the police and protesters. If they want to mace them, they will have to get through the effing Marine Corps first. Let's see a cop mace a bunch of decorated war vets." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tp-eapYpL8c Occupy Wallstreet Update! The Marines are <default.jpg> Coming to PROTECT the Protesters Wearechange, RT News and other independent Youtubers are doing a great job, but if there is support for G4T to join and cover the protesters, I will be there! https://occupywallst.org/ http://www.livestream.com/globalrevolution http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygoOjQzcPk&feature=player_embedded #OccupyWallStreet - 'The Marines are Coming <default.jpg> to PROTECT the Protestors' Link: http://www.in5d.com/occupy-wall-street-themarines-are-coming-to-protect-the-protestors.html The Occupy Wall Street movement may have just received an unexpected surprise -- United States Army and Marine troops are reportedly on their way to various protest locations to support the movement.
Semper Fi: Marines Coming To Protect Protesters On Wall Street | Addicting Info http://www.addictinginfo.org/2011/10/01/semper-fimarines-coming-to-protect-protesters-on-wall-street/ http://www.newser.com/story/130018/marines-head-towall-street-to-aid-protesters.html Marines Head to Wall Streetto Protect Protesters VETERAN ISSUES CALL TO PALS TO SHIELD DEMONSTRATORS Marines Head to Wall Streetto Protect Protesters Veteran issues call to pals to shield demonstrators By Mary Papenfuss, Newser Staff Posted Oct 3, 2011 1:50 AM CDT | Updated Oct 3, 2011 4:58 AM CDT STORY COMMENTS (59) (Newser) NYPD cops better watch it when they get tough with Occupy Wall Street protesters from now on, because the Marines are comingto help protect the demonstrators. "I'm heading up there tonight in my dress blues," announced a Marine veteran in a message reposted by another anti-war vet on his Facebook page. "So far, 15 of my fellow Marine buddies are meeting me there, also in uniform. I didn't fight for Wall Street. I fought for America." The vet adds that his "true hope is that we, as veterans, can act as a first line of defense between the police and protesters. If they want to mace them, they will have to get through the effing Marine Corps first. Let's see a cop mace a bunch of decorated war vets." Marines and other vets have already been spotted in the growing movement. A photo posted on a protest tweet shows two Marines recently in an Occupy Wall Street demonstration. One holds a sign reading: "Second time I've fought for my country. First time I've known my enemy." The 1971 Army Infantry vet who reposted the Marine's message said he plans to be at the anti-corporate demonstration planned in Washington with "hundreds of my fellow veterans." Protests are planned throughout the week in New York and several other cities. Semper Fi: Marines Coming To Protect Protesters On Wall Street | Addicting Info http://www.addictinginfo.org/2011/10/01/semper-fimarines-coming-to-protect-protesters-on-wall-street/
The Occupy Wall Street movement may have thought it broke new ground when the NYC Transit Union joined their movement, but that ground just tipped the Richter Scale with news that United States Army and Marine troops are reportedly on their way to various protest locations to support the movement and to protect the protesters. Heres the message Ward Reilly relayed from another Marine, on his facebook page:
Im heading up there tonight in my dress blues. So far, 15 of my fellow marine buddies are meeting me there, also in Uniform. I want to send the following message to Wall St and Congress:I didnt fight for Wall St. I fought for America. Now its Congress turn. My true hope, though, is that we Veterans can act as first line of defense between the police and the protester. If they want to get to some protesters so they can mace them, they will have to get through the Fucking Marine Corps first. Lets see a cop mace a bunch of decorated war vets.I apologize now for typos and errors. Typing this on iPhone whilst heading to NYC. We can organize once were there. Thats what we do best.If you see someone in uniform, gather together. A formation will be held tonight at 10PM. We all took an oath to uphold, protect and defend the constitution of this country. Thats what we will be doing.
Hope to see you there!!

Kudos, Mr Reilly!Thank You for having the courage and foresight to see past the transparently false and empty patriotism perpetually touted by the defense skanks and petro whores in Congress in order to keep their campaign coffers filled to the brim. Meanwhile, your brothers and sisters suffer massive cuts and are forced to live with PTSD, with little if any help from the very government and country for which you have sacrificed so much. Thank you for recognizing this movement not as a bunch of screaming white liberal kids with Henna tattoos, but as a universal and profound rejection of the unchecked and undue influence the plutocrats on Wall Street have had on the decision-making in Washington. Thank You for your service, and thank you for seeing through all the mountains of bullsh#t being shoveled around the clock by the Koch Bros. puppets in Washington via their lapdogs in the media.
Its safe to say to if Mr. Reilly and his fellow marines lend their voices, it could be a defining moment that gives the Occupation of Wall Street movement the just right amount of fuel it needs to catch fire. After all, it would be interesting to see the media ignore NYPD cops pepper spraying decorated war veterans, assuming the donut marchers dared to even consider the notion of trying.
Forwarded by Ken Dalton, President NJ VFP Chapter 021... Dear VFP 21 & VVAW-N.J. Members and Friends On Sunday afternoon I went over to Wall Street with my wife and we talked with both of these guys. The guy on the right wearing the helmet is a USMC vet from the Bronx. His sign says it all!!!! Peace, Justice and Solidarity Ken Dalton VFP 21, N.J. VVAW
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Gabriel Johnson september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Marines Head to Wall Streetto Protect Protesters - Veteran issues call to pals to shield demonstrators Wednesday, October 05, 2011 11:24:51 AM
I've been hearing about it for almost a week, and I figured I'd get a definitive answer on this list: has anyone here actually seen said uniformed Marines? Or they came but decided not to wear their uniforms? Or something else? It would be kind of awesome if true, but, as they say on the internet, "pics or it didn't happen." --glj On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 10:09 AM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: "I'm heading up there tonight in my dress blues," announced a Marine veteran in a message reposted by another anti-war vet on his Facebook page. "So far, 15 of my fellow Marine buddies are meeting me there, also in uniform. I didn't fight for Wall Street. I fought for America." The vet adds that his "true hope is that we, as veterans, can act as a first line of defense between the police and protesters. If they want to mace them, they will have to get through the effing Marine Corps first. Let's see a cop mace a bunch of decorated war vets." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tp-eapYpL8c Occupy Wallstreet Update! The Marines are Coming to PROTECT the Protesters Wearechange, RT News and other independent Youtubers are doing a great job, but if there is support for G4T to join and cover the protesters, I will be there! https://occupywallst.org/ http://www.livestream.com/globalrevolution http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygoOjQzcPk&feature=player_embedded #OccupyWallStreet - 'The Marines are Coming to PROTECT the Protestors' Link: http://www.in5d.com/occupy-wall-street-the-marines-arecoming-to-protect-the-protestors.html The Occupy Wall Street movement may have just received an unexpected surprise -- United States Army and Marine troops are reportedly on their way to various protest locations to support the movement. Semper Fi: Marines Coming To Protect Protesters On Wall Street | Addicting Info http://www.addictinginfo.org/2011/10/01/semper-fi-marines-comingto-protect-protesters-on-wall-street/ http://www.newser.com/story/130018/marines-head-to-wall-streetto-aid-protesters.html Marines Head to Wall Streetto Protect Protesters VETERAN ISSUES CALL TO PALS TO SHIELD DEMONSTRATORS
Marines Head to Wall Streetto Protect Protesters Veteran issues call to pals to shield demonstrators By Mary Papenfuss, Newser Staff Posted Oct 3, 2011 1:50 AM CDT | Updated Oct 3, 2011 4:58 AM CDT STORY COMMENTS (59) (Newser) NYPD cops better watch it when they get tough with Occupy Wall Street protesters from now on, because the Marines are comingto help protect the demonstrators. "I'm heading up there tonight in my dress blues," announced a Marine veteran in a message reposted by another anti-war vet on his Facebook page. "So far, 15 of my fellow Marine buddies are meeting me there, also in uniform. I didn't fight for Wall Street. I fought for America." The vet adds that his "true hope is that we, as veterans, can act as a first line of defense between the police and protesters. If they want to mace them, they will have to get through the effing Marine Corps first. Let's see a cop mace a bunch of decorated war vets." Marines and other vets have already been spotted in the growing movement. A photo posted on a protest tweet shows two Marines recently in an Occupy Wall Street demonstration. One holds a sign reading: "Second time I've fought for my country. First time I've known my enemy." The 1971 Army Infantry vet who reposted the Marine's message said he plans to be at the anti-corporate demonstration planned in Washington with "hundreds of my fellow veterans." Protests are planned throughout the week in New York and several other cities. Semper Fi: Marines Coming To Protect Protesters On Wall Street | Addicting Info http://www.addictinginfo.org/2011/10/01/semper-fi-marines-comingto-protect-protesters-on-wall-street/ The Occupy Wall Street movement may have thought it broke new ground when the NYC Transit Union joined their movement, but that ground just tipped the Richter Scale with news that United States Army and Marine troops are reportedly on their way to various protest locations to support the movement and to protect the protesters. Heres the message Ward Reilly relayed from another Marine, on his facebook page:
Im heading up there tonight in my dress blues. So far, 15 of my fellow marine buddies are meeting me there, also in Uniform. I want to send the following message to Wall St and Congress:I didnt fight for Wall St. I fought for America. Now its Congress turn. My true hope, though, is that we Veterans can act as first line of
defense between the police and the protester. If they want to get to some protesters so they can mace them, they will have to get through the Fucking Marine Corps first. Lets see a cop mace a bunch of decorated war vets.I apologize now for typos and errors. Typing this on iPhone whilst heading to NYC. We can organize once were there. Thats what we do best.If you see someone in uniform, gather together. A formation will be held tonight at 10PM. We all took an oath to uphold, protect and defend the constitution of this country. Thats what we will be doing.
Hope to see you there!!

Kudos, Mr Reilly!Thank You for having the courage and foresight to see past the transparently false and empty patriotism perpetually touted by the defense skanks and petro whores in Congress in order to keep their campaign coffers filled to the brim. Meanwhile, your brothers and sisters suffer massive cuts and are forced to live with PTSD, with little if any help from the very government and country for which you have sacrificed so much. Thank you for recognizing this movement not as a bunch of screaming white liberal kids with Henna tattoos, but as a universal and profound rejection of the unchecked and undue influence the plutocrats on Wall Street have had on the decision-making in Washington. Thank You for your service, and thank you for seeing through all the mountains of bullsh#t being shoveled around the clock by the Koch Bros. puppets in Washington via their lapdogs in the media. Its safe to say to if Mr. Reilly and his fellow marines lend their voices, it could be a defining moment that gives the Occupation of Wall Street movement the just right amount of fuel it needs to catch fire. After all, it would be interesting to see the media ignore NYPD cops pepper spraying decorated war veterans, assuming the donut marchers dared to even consider the notion of trying.
Forwarded by Ken Dalton, President NJ VFP Chapter 021... Dear VFP 21 & VVAW-N.J. Members and Friends On Sunday afternoon I went over to Wall Street with my wife and we talked with both of these guys. The guy on the right wearing the helmet is a USMC vet from the Bronx. His sign says it all!!!! Peace, Justice and Solidarity Ken Dalton VFP 21, N.J. VVAW
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Aaron Gemmill september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Military outreach? Wednesday, October 05, 2011 10:34:53 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpOMlDVaXzc&amp this guy doesn't look terribly conflicted. my daughter and i left a little before 8 after walking into a skirmish at broadway and wall. i didn't want to be stuck in a police riot w/ a 16-month-old baby. .a.
On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 10:04 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: But they are the 99% as well, and as the daughter of a Vietnam War vet who was very conflicted to his dying day about his involvement, it would be a big mistake to write off people in the military. My father raised me to believe that joining the military is the worst thing you could do, as the govt would own your body and soul. He was a career officer who left the service after Kent State. Embrace those who understand and want to help move our cause forward. On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 10:00 PM, JeremyToG <exitjmouse@gmail.com> wrote: > I can't really do anything about this potentially dangerous idea, but > I'll point it out here in case someone else knows better: > > A delightfully pointed sign from a video of the current occupations > caught my attention, openly stating that "The 99% includes the cops." > Which made me wonder about what other groups would be included, and > the US military came to mind. Especially from what I've heard about > recruitment frequently targeting the poor. > > A little support from the barracks would be rather unsettling for the > people in charge, wouldn't it?
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jon Good september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Military outreach? Wednesday, October 05, 2011 10:43:19 PM
holy shit. Was that today? Also, why is it the commanders (white shirts) and not the regular grunts (blue shirts) that seem to do all the beating? You're right. He doesn't look conflicted. Other cops do, though.
On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 10:34 PM, Aaron Gemmill <gemmill@gmail.com> wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpOMlDVaXzc&amp this guy doesn't look terribly conflicted. my daughter and i left a little before 8 after walking into a skirmish at broadway and wall. i didn't want to be stuck in a police riot w/ a 16-month-old baby. .a.
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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Sarah september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Military outreach? Wednesday, October 05, 2011 10:42:52 PM
i'd like to add that there's a big difference between rank and file officers, and the administrators of the military industrial complex. Many of militarism's fiercest and best-informed critics come from within. --sarah On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 10:34 PM, Aaron Gemmill <gemmill@gmail.com> wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpOMlDVaXzc&amp this guy doesn't look terribly conflicted. my daughter and i left a little before 8 after walking into a skirmish at broadway and wall. i didn't want to be stuck in a police riot w/ a 16-month-old baby. .a.
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that was tonight around 8:45, according to the video.. On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 10:43 PM, Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com> wrote: holy shit. Was that today? Also, why is it the commanders (white shirts) and not the regular grunts (blue shirts) that seem to do all the beating? You're right. He doesn't look conflicted. Other cops do, though.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpOMlDVaXzc&amp On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 11:04 PM, Aaron Gemmill <gemmill@gmail.com> wrote: that was tonight around 8:45, according to the video.. On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 10:43 PM, Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com> wrote: holy shit. Was that today? Also, why is it the commanders (white shirts) and not the regular grunts (blue shirts) that seem to do all the beating? You're right. He doesn't look conflicted. Other cops do, though.
On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 10:04 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: But they are the 99% as well, and as the daughter of a Vietnam War vet who was very conflicted to his dying day about his involvement, it would be a big mistake to write off people in the military. My father raised me to believe that joining the military is the worst thing you could do, as the govt would own your body and soul. He was a career officer who left the service after Kent State. Embrace those who understand and want to help move our cause forward. On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 10:00 PM, JeremyToG <exitjmouse@gmail.com> wrote: > I can't really do anything about this potentially dangerous idea, but > I'll point it out here in case someone else knows better: > > A delightfully pointed sign from a video of the current occupations > caught my attention, openly stating that "The 99% includes the cops." > Which made me wonder about what other groups would be included, and > the US military came to mind. Especially from what I've heard about
> recruitment frequently targeting the poor. > > A little support from the barracks would be rather unsettling for the > people in charge, wouldn't it?
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Military outreach? Wednesday, October 05, 2011 10:04:13 PM
But they are the 99% as well, and as the daughter of a Vietnam War vet who was very conflicted to his dying day about his involvement, it would be a big mistake to write off people in the military. My father raised me to believe that joining the military is the worst thing you could do, as the govt would own your body and soul. He was a career officer who left the service after Kent State. Embrace those who understand and want to help move our cause forward. On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 10:00 PM, JeremyToG <exitjmouse@gmail.com> wrote: > I can't really do anything about this potentially dangerous idea, but > I'll point it out here in case someone else knows better: > > A delightfully pointed sign from a video of the current occupations > caught my attention, openly stating that "The 99% includes the cops." > Which made me wonder about what other groups would be included, and > the US military came to mind. Especially from what I've heard about > recruitment frequently targeting the poor. > > A little support from the barracks would be rather unsettling for the > people in charge, wouldn't it?
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Dale Luce september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] name and SS# needed for donation from Cooper Union Monday, October 03, 2011 3:31:34 AM
Finance! Heeey Finance! On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 9:02 PM, casper <colleenasper@gmail.com> wrote: I co-organize the Interdisciplinary Seminar at Cooper Union. This Thursday we will be bringing our students to the park for class and would like to donate the stipend alloted for that week's speaker to the occupation. However, because of the way this payment is set up through the school, we will need one name and SS# number for the check. Any thoughts on who to talk to about this?
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of NicolasMoselleAllen september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Naomi Klein to speak Thursday 6pm OPEN FORUM southeast corner of Liberty Plaza! Monday, October 03, 2011 8:16:12 AM
wohooo! On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 8:02 AM, Gabriel Johnson <gabjoh2@gmail.com> wrote: > squeeeeeeee! Now I have to find a way to weasel out of class early to go see > her > --glj > > On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 7:47 AM, Babak K <bkarimi17@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> The empowerment and education committee organizes the 6pm Open Forum >> inviting academics and community activists to speak on issues relevant to >> OWS. Naomi Klein will be speaking at 6pm on Thursday!!! This is confirmed. >> Thanks! >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Gabriel Johnson september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Naomi Klein to speak Thursday 6pm OPEN FORUM southeast corner of Liberty Plaza! Monday, October 03, 2011 8:02:28 AM
squeeeeeeee! Now I have to find a way to weasel out of class early to go see her --glj On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 7:47 AM, Babak K <bkarimi17@gmail.com> wrote: The empowerment and education committee organizes the 6pm Open Forum inviting academics and community activists to speak on issues relevant to OWS. Naomi Klein will be speaking at 6pm on Thursday!!! This is confirmed. Thanks!
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of J Wedes september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Naomi Klein to speak Thursday 6pm OPEN FORUM southeast corner of Liberty Plaza! Monday, October 03, 2011 10:54:14 AM
is there a link to an announcement, or do i just tweet the info? justin On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 8:16 AM, Kelley Wolcott <misskellz@gmail.com> wrote: Great news! On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 5:02 AM, Gabriel Johnson <gabjoh2@gmail.com> wrote: squeeeeeeee! Now I have to find a way to weasel out of class early to go see her --glj On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 7:47 AM, Babak K <bkarimi17@gmail.com> wrote: The empowerment and education committee organizes the 6pm Open Forum inviting academics and community activists to speak on issues relevant to OWS. Naomi Klein will be speaking at 6pm on Thursday!!! This is confirmed. Thanks!
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Babak K september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Naomi Klein to speak Thursday 6pm OPEN FORUM southeast corner of Liberty Plaza! Monday, October 03, 2011 2:24:48 PM
the announcement and facebook invite will be sent out shortly. On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 10:47 AM, J Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: is there a link to an announcement, or do i just tweet the info? justin On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 8:16 AM, Kelley Wolcott <misskellz@gmail.com> wrote: Great news! On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 5:02 AM, Gabriel Johnson <gabjoh2@gmail.com> wrote: squeeeeeeee! Now I have to find a way to weasel out of class early to go see her --glj On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 7:47 AM, Babak K <bkarimi17@gmail.com> wrote: The empowerment and education committee organizes the 6pm Open Forum inviting academics and community activists to speak on issues relevant to OWS. Naomi Klein will be speaking at 6pm on Thursday!!! This is confirmed. Thanks!
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Kelley Wolcott september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Naomi Klein to speak Thursday 6pm OPEN FORUM southeast corner of Liberty Plaza! Monday, October 03, 2011 2:27:13 PM
We are really gonna need sound for this lecture! I imagine it will be one of the more popular ones! Great work Babak! On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 2:24 PM, Babak K <bkarimi17@gmail.com> wrote: the announcement and facebook invite will be sent out shortly. On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 10:47 AM, J Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: is there a link to an announcement, or do i just tweet the info? justin On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 8:16 AM, Kelley Wolcott <misskellz@gmail.com> wrote: Great news! On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 5:02 AM, Gabriel Johnson <gabjoh2@gmail.com> wrote: squeeeeeeee! Now I have to find a way to weasel out of class early to go see her --glj On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 7:47 AM, Babak K <bkarimi17@gmail.com> wrote: The empowerment and education committee organizes the 6pm Open Forum inviting academics and community activists to speak on issues relevant to OWS. Naomi Klein will be speaking at 6pm on Thursday!!! This is confirmed. Thanks!
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Dale Luce september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Naomi Klein to speak Thursday 6pm OPEN FORUM southeast corner of Liberty Plaza! Monday, October 03, 2011 8:42:57 PM
Thats amazing! On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 2:27 PM, Kelley Wolcott <misskellz@gmail.com> wrote: We are really gonna need sound for this lecture! I imagine it will be one of the more popular ones! Great work Babak! On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 2:24 PM, Babak K <bkarimi17@gmail.com> wrote: the announcement and facebook invite will be sent out shortly. On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 10:47 AM, J Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: is there a link to an announcement, or do i just tweet the info? justin On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 8:16 AM, Kelley Wolcott <misskellz@gmail.com> wrote: Great news! On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 5:02 AM, Gabriel Johnson <gabjoh2@gmail.com> wrote: squeeeeeeee! Now I have to find a way to weasel out of class early to go see her --glj On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 7:47 AM, Babak K <bkarimi17@gmail.com> wrote: The empowerment and education committee organizes the 6pm Open Forum inviting academics and community activists to speak on issues relevant to OWS. Naomi Klein will be speaking at 6pm on Thursday!!! This is confirmed. Thanks!
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of J Wedes september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Naomi Klein to speak Thursday 6pm OPEN FORUM southeast corner of Liberty Plaza! Monday, October 03, 2011 9:12:15 PM
Hopefully after the passage of my proposal tonight to change quiet hours from 10 to 11 in exchange 4 support from Community Board for sound permit, we'll have it! -justin On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 8:42 PM, Dale Luce <daleluce87@gmail.com> wrote: Thats amazing! On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 2:27 PM, Kelley Wolcott <misskellz@gmail.com> wrote: We are really gonna need sound for this lecture! I imagine it will be one of the more popular ones! Great work Babak! On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 2:24 PM, Babak K <bkarimi17@gmail.com> wrote: the announcement and facebook invite will be sent out shortly. On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 10:47 AM, J Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: is there a link to an announcement, or do i just tweet the info? justin On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 8:16 AM, Kelley Wolcott <misskellz@gmail.com> wrote: Great news! On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 5:02 AM, Gabriel Johnson <gabjoh2@gmail.com> wrote: squeeeeeeee! Now I have to find a way to weasel out of class early to go see her --glj On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 7:47 AM, Babak K <bkarimi17@gmail.com> wrote: The empowerment and education committee organizes the 6pm Open Forum inviting academics and community activists to speak on issues relevant to OWS. Naomi Klein will be speaking at 6pm on Thursday!!! This is confirmed. Thanks!
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Kelley Wolcott september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Naomi Klein to speak Thursday 6pm OPEN FORUM southeast corner of Liberty Plaza! Monday, October 03, 2011 8:16:19 AM
Great news! On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 5:02 AM, Gabriel Johnson <gabjoh2@gmail.com> wrote: squeeeeeeee! Now I have to find a way to weasel out of class early to go see her --glj On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 7:47 AM, Babak K <bkarimi17@gmail.com> wrote: The empowerment and education committee organizes the 6pm Open Forum inviting academics and community activists to speak on issues relevant to OWS. Naomi Klein will be speaking at 6pm on Thursday!!! This is confirmed. Thanks!
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of J.A. Myerson september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Neutral Milk tonight Tuesday, October 04, 2011 1:47:23 PM
That's the excitingest thing of all time. JAM On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 1:09 PM, <bf0189@gmail.com> wrote: I'll hint about it :) On , Nathan Schneider <nathan@wagingnonviolence.org> wrote: > Just FYI, Jeff Magum of Neutral Milk Hotel is planning to come by tonight and will play a lullaby around 10 p.m. > > > > Spread the word discreetly;) > > > > Nathan > > > >> > Nathan Schneider > > Editor, Waging Nonviolence > > http://wagingnonviolence.org > > > >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of bf0189@gmail.com september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Neutral Milk tonight Tuesday, October 04, 2011 1:10:23 PM
I'll hint about it :) On , Nathan Schneider <nathan@wagingnonviolence.org> wrote: > Just FYI, Jeff Magum of Neutral Milk Hotel is planning to come by tonight and will play a lullaby around 10 p.m. > > > > Spread the word discreetly;) > > > > Nathan > > > >> > Nathan Schneider > > Editor, Waging Nonviolence > > http://wagingnonviolence.org > > > >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of NicolasMoselleAllen september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] occupy seattle contact needed Wednesday, October 05, 2011 9:12:27 PM
yes, i do: his name is christopher eaton and he is on the internet committee there: christopheaton@gmail.com On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 7:56 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: > hey all-- we are working on a piece for the paper abt occupy together > and want to cover occupy seattle-- does anyone have a contact there > that we could talk to? >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jackie DiSalvo september17@googlegroups.com RE: [september17discuss] Please add labor outreach working group mtg to tmrw"s OWS site calendar Monday, October 03, 2011 12:16:20 AM
Didnt we say wed meet again at the SW corner of Liberty Square at Cedar & Trinity? Two locaions are circulating.
From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Conor Toms Reed Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2011 9:36 PM To: justine@occupywallst.org; september17@googlegroups.com Subject: [september17discuss] Please add labor outreach working group mtg to tmrw's OWS site calendar
Hello, The OWS labor outreach working group is meeting tomorrow at 6pm under the big red sculpture. Will someone with admin capacities please add this to the OWS and NYCGA sites? Also, when can we get an updated OWS home page that briefly shows yesterday's arrest figures and key articles, but also importantly highlights this mega-march on Wednesday? No disrespect, but we need to tighten our online updates so more folks can get activated! -Conor
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of NicolasMoselleAllen september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] PS. Mind the conservative backlash Wednesday, October 05, 2011 2:59:06 PM
nice interview, harrison. looking sharp, too. On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 2:39 PM, M C <tebefoto@yahoo.com> wrote: > > Great appearance Harrison! woooooo hoo!! > > ________________________________ > From: Harrison Schultz <schuh072@gmail.com> > To: september17 <september17@googlegroups.com> > Cc: schuh072@newschool.edu > Sent: Wednesday, October 5, 2011 1:43 PM > Subject: [september17discuss] PS. Mind the conservative backlash > > http://www.theblaze.com/stories/this-is-revolution-not-reform-occupy-wall-street-organizer-toexcited-al-sharpton-we-are-anarchists-and-revolutionaries-this-is-the-beginning-of-a-revolution-in-thiscountry/ > > I recently gave two interviews on MSNBC, one with Al Sharpton that > have been receiving lots of threats of gun violence from right wing > conservative nutz. Hopefully the threats won't spread to anyone else, > but something tells me that the NYPD is going to be the least of our > worries as this movement continues to grow. > > Best of luck comrades, > > Harrison > > > >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of M C september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] PS. Mind the conservative backlash Wednesday, October 05, 2011 2:39:49 PM
Great appearance Harrison! woooooo hoo!! From: Harrison Schultz <schuh072@gmail.com> To: september17 <september17@googlegroups.com> Cc: schuh072@newschool.edu Sent: Wednesday, October 5, 2011 1:43 PM Subject: [september17discuss] PS. Mind the conservative backlash
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/this-is-revolution-not-reform-occupy-wall-street-organizerto-excited-al-sharpton-we-are-anarchists-and-revolutionaries-this-is-the-beginning-of-arevolution-in-this-country/ I recently gave two interviews on MSNBC, one with Al Sharpton that have been receiving lots of threats of gun violence from right wing conservative nutz. Hopefully the threats won't spread to anyone else, but something tells me that the NYPD is going to be the least of our worries as this movement continues to grow. Best of luck comrades, Harrison
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Doug Singsen september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: ATTN TWEETERS: Tomorrow"s march moved to Foley Square--correct yr info! Wednesday, October 05, 2011 10:11:37 AM
That's correct. Today's rally and march were called by other groups, not OWS, and those groups include a lot of public workers who can be fired if they get arrested, which we need to take into account. Doug On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 8:22 PM, Aaron Gemmill <gemmill@gmail.com> wrote: It's my understanding that this march isn't directly organized by OWS, but by several groups sympathetic to OWS. By what authority would the GA restrict other groups from organizing their own assemblies as they see fit? Permitting creates a safe space for a much larger group of people to express their solidarity with OWS than would be able to in circumstances which would put them at risk for arrest, ticketing, etc.
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 7:55 PM, Will Gauss <willgauss@gmail.com> wrote: Then the Supreme Court decided unjustly and in contravention of liberty. Looks like another decision which must be overturned, or made irrelevant by mass civil disobedience. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 4, 2011, at 7:39 PM, Gabriel Johnson <gabjoh2@gmail.com> wrote: Okay but the Supreme Court disagrees. --glj On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 7:25 PM, hextic <willgauss@gmail.com> wrote: It is too late to put this to GA attention, so I will tweet now on the one condition that we make an effort to pass a resolution that in the future we completely reject the entire idea of requiring a "permit" to exercise Constitutionally guaranteed rights. Of what possible, conceivable use is a freedom of speech and assembly which we must ask for? Asking for permissions implies legitimacy of a "no" answer. The entire purpose of this freedom is to give us the ability to unilaterally assert ourselves when our representatives fail to represent us. The requirement of a permit is a direct nullification
of what is an unbridgeable right. On Oct 4, 6:35 pm, Conor Toms Reed <conortomasr...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hello, OWS twitter-squad. Please update your info tweets to note that the > mass 4:30pm rally tomorrow at City Hall Park has been moved to Foley Square > so it can be given a marching permit (i.e. essentially no risk of arrest). > > https://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=282473051782707 > > thanks! > -Conor
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Will Gauss september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: ATTN TWEETERS: Tomorrow"s march moved to Foley Square--correct yr info! Wednesday, October 05, 2011 12:01:50 PM
That changes a lot, thank you for the clarification that today's march is not OWS. In that case, GA has no authority over it. I still stand firm however that we put a resolution which declares that we do not recognize a need for permits as legal or just and refuse to capitulate to such mechanisms of control as them. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 5, 2011, at 10:11 AM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: That's correct. Today's rally and march were called by other groups, not OWS, and those groups include a lot of public workers who can be fired if they get arrested, which we need to take into account. Doug On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 8:22 PM, Aaron Gemmill <gemmill@gmail.com> wrote: It's my understanding that this march isn't directly organized by OWS, but by several groups sympathetic to OWS. By what authority would the GA restrict other groups from organizing their own assemblies as they see fit? Permitting creates a safe space for a much larger group of people to express their solidarity with OWS than would be able to in circumstances which would put them at risk for arrest, ticketing, etc.
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 7:55 PM, Will Gauss <willgauss@gmail.com> wrote: Then the Supreme Court decided unjustly and in contravention of liberty. Looks like another decision which must be overturned, or made irrelevant by mass civil disobedience. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 4, 2011, at 7:39 PM, Gabriel Johnson <gabjoh2@gmail.com> wrote: Okay but the Supreme Court disagrees. --glj
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 7:25 PM, hextic <willgauss@gmail.com> wrote: It is too late to put this to GA attention, so I will tweet now on the one condition that we make an effort to pass a resolution that in the future we completely reject the entire idea of requiring a "permit" to exercise Constitutionally guaranteed rights. Of what possible, conceivable use is a freedom of speech and assembly which we must ask for? Asking for permissions implies legitimacy of a "no" answer. The entire purpose of this freedom is to give us the ability to unilaterally assert ourselves when our representatives fail to represent us. The requirement of a permit is a direct nullification of what is an unbridgeable right. On Oct 4, 6:35 pm, Conor Toms Reed <conortomasr...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hello, OWS twitter-squad. Please update your info tweets to note that the > mass 4:30pm rally tomorrow at City Hall Park has been moved to Foley Square > so it can be given a marching permit (i.e. essentially no risk of arrest). > > https://www.facebook.com/event.php? eid=282473051782707 > > thanks! > -Conor
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of gail zawacki september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: ATTN TWEETERS: Tomorrow"s march moved to Foley Square--correct yr info! Tuesday, October 04, 2011 7:00:02 PM
I have to say, I agree with Will. In fact, barricading WS and allowing us to occupy Zuccotti instead of exercise our rights to peacefully demonstrate in a public, not private park, was bad enough. On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 6:43 PM, hextic <willgauss@gmail.com> wrote: For the benefit of others, I present the text of the 1st amendment. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." Where does it say in there that a permit is required? Where does it say that I must ask the government's permission politely to disagree with it? Nowhere, and through civil disobedience we can put these "laws" where they belong, a sad note in the history books. We have a just right to assembly and speech. If the city wants to stand in the way of this, let them. The Constitution trumps city law, not the other way around. On Oct 4, 6:35 pm, Conor Toms Reed <conortomasr...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hello, OWS twitter-squad. Please update your info tweets to note that the > mass 4:30pm rally tomorrow at City Hall Park has been moved to Foley Square > so it can be given a marching permit (i.e. essentially no risk of arrest). > > https://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=282473051782707 > > thanks! > -Conor
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Will Gauss september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: Fwd: [Labor OWS] TWU Blasts City for NYPD commandeering MTA buses, drivers, for Bridge arrests Monday, October 03, 2011 10:47:16 AM
IANAL, but provisions of a contract which require violation of the law are unenforceable. Terminating their employment for refusing to kidnap innocents may well put the city in breach of contract. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 3, 2011, at 10:28 AM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: I was told no - that they would be fired if they refused - by a TWU staffer. But the union can put political pressure on the NYPD and mayor. On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 10:25 AM, hextic <willgauss@gmail.com> wrote: Would these bus operators have any standing refusing to perform an illegal action and refusing to become an accomplice in what is essentially 700 counts of kidnapping and assault? On Oct 3, 9:53 am, Doug Singsen <dougsing...@gmail.com> wrote: > ---------- Forwarded message ---------> From: acpolla...@juno.com <acpolla...@juno.com> > Date: Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 9:45 AM > Subject: [Labor OWS] TWU Blasts City for NYPD commandeering MTA buses, > drivers, for Bridge arrests > To: labor-outreach-committee@googlegroups.com > > This is huge. TWU's response to this outrage is great. > Notice the cops got MTA bosses to order drivers to drive the commandeered > buses. > > ---------- Original Message ---------> From: Dan DiMaggio > To: acpolla...@gmail.com > Subject:TWU Blasts City for Putting Occupy Wall St. Arrestees on Buses > Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 09:36:47 -0400 > > "The Transport Workers > Union will go to court Monday to try to stop the city from forcing bus > drivers to > transport Wall Street protesters arrested by the NYPD, the Daily News has > learned... > "TWU Local 100 supports the protesters on Wall Street and takes great > offense that the mayor and NYPD have ordered operators to
transport citizens > who were exercising their constitutional right to protest - and shouldn't > have been arrested in the first place," Samuelsen said Sunday night. > Full:http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2011/10/03/2011-1003_twu_blasts_... > ________________________________________________
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Doug Singsen september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: Fwd: [Labor OWS] TWU Blasts City for NYPD commandeering MTA buses, drivers, for Bridge arrests Monday, October 03, 2011 10:50:04 AM
That seems like a huge stretch legally. Even if the violations are overturned, I seriously doubt that the arrests could be legally found to be kidnapping, in which case the MTA employees would end up losing their jobs for refusing. On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 10:46 AM, Will Gauss <willgauss@gmail.com> wrote: IANAL, but provisions of a contract which require violation of the law are unenforceable. Terminating their employment for refusing to kidnap innocents may well put the city in breach of contract. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 3, 2011, at 10:28 AM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: I was told no - that they would be fired if they refused - by a TWU staffer. But the union can put political pressure on the NYPD and mayor. On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 10:25 AM, hextic <willgauss@gmail.com> wrote: Would these bus operators have any standing refusing to perform an illegal action and refusing to become an accomplice in what is essentially 700 counts of kidnapping and assault? On Oct 3, 9:53 am, Doug Singsen <dougsing...@gmail.com> wrote: > ---------- Forwarded message ---------> From: acpolla...@juno.com <acpolla...@juno.com> > Date: Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 9:45 AM > Subject: [Labor OWS] TWU Blasts City for NYPD commandeering MTA buses, > drivers, for Bridge arrests > To: labor-outreach-committee@googlegroups.com > > This is huge. TWU's response to this outrage is great. > Notice the cops got MTA bosses to order drivers to drive the commandeered > buses. > > ---------- Original Message ---------> From: Dan DiMaggio > To: acpolla...@gmail.com > Subject:TWU Blasts City for Putting Occupy Wall St. Arrestees on Buses > Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 09:36:47 -0400 > > "The Transport Workers > Union will go to court Monday to try to stop the city from forcing
bus > drivers to > transport Wall Street protesters arrested by the NYPD, the Daily News has > learned... > "TWU Local 100 supports the protesters on Wall Street and takes great > offense that the mayor and NYPD have ordered operators to transport citizens > who were exercising their constitutional right to protest - and shouldn't > have been arrested in the first place," Samuelsen said Sunday night. > Full:http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2011/10/03/2011-1003_twu_blasts_... > ________________________________________________
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Will Gauss september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: Fwd: [Labor OWS] TWU Blasts City for NYPD commandeering MTA buses, drivers, for Bridge arrests Monday, October 03, 2011 11:06:10 AM
The NYPD will have a very hard time justifying a total approaching 1,000 arrests at a peaceful political demonstration. In many cases, the people being led away were not actually charged of a crime or even told "you are under arrest". In cases like mine, we were simply thrown to the ground, restrained, and left locked in a van somewhere before being turned loose. Even if there is no prior precedent for this, to guarantee our basic, fundamental civil liberties and prevent such atrocities from being attempted in the future we must establish this precedent. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 3, 2011, at 10:49 AM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: That seems like a huge stretch legally. Even if the violations are overturned, I seriously doubt that the arrests could be legally found to be kidnapping, in which case the MTA employees would end up losing their jobs for refusing. On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 10:46 AM, Will Gauss <willgauss@gmail.com> wrote: IANAL, but provisions of a contract which require violation of the law are unenforceable. Terminating their employment for refusing to kidnap innocents may well put the city in breach of contract. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 3, 2011, at 10:28 AM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: I was told no - that they would be fired if they refused - by a TWU staffer. But the union can put political pressure on the NYPD and mayor. On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 10:25 AM, hextic <willgauss@gmail.com> wrote: Would these bus operators have any standing refusing to perform an illegal action and refusing to become an accomplice in what is essentially 700 counts of kidnapping and assault? On Oct 3, 9:53 am, Doug Singsen <dougsing...@gmail.com> wrote: > ---------- Forwarded message ---------Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com
> From: acpolla...@juno.com <acpolla...@juno.com> > Date: Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 9:45 AM > Subject: [Labor OWS] TWU Blasts City for NYPD commandeering MTA buses, > drivers, for Bridge arrests > To: labor-outreach-committee@googlegroups.com > > This is huge. TWU's response to this outrage is great. > Notice the cops got MTA bosses to order drivers to drive the commandeered > buses. > > ---------- Original Message ---------> From: Dan DiMaggio > To: acpolla...@gmail.com > Subject:TWU Blasts City for Putting Occupy Wall St. Arrestees on Buses > Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 09:36:47 -0400 > > "The Transport Workers > Union will go to court Monday to try to stop the city from forcing bus > drivers to > transport Wall Street protesters arrested by the NYPD, the Daily News has > learned... > "TWU Local 100 supports the protesters on Wall Street and takes great > offense that the mayor and NYPD have ordered operators to transport citizens > who were exercising their constitutional right to protest - and shouldn't > have been arrested in the first place," Samuelsen said Sunday night. > Full: http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2011/10/03/201110-03_twu_blasts_... > ________________________________________________
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of shaista husain september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: Fwd: [Labor OWS] TWU Blasts City for NYPD commandeering MTA buses, drivers, for Bridge arrests Monday, October 03, 2011 3:14:05 PM
Will Gauss, the tickets/fines and summons must be revoked, this will establish a precedent for all other occupations now mobilizing across the US. On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 11:05 AM, Will Gauss <willgauss@gmail.com> wrote: > The NYPD will have a very hard time justifying a total approaching 1,000 > arrests at a peaceful political demonstration. In many cases, the people > being led away were not actually charged of a crime or even told "you are > under arrest". In cases like mine, we were simply thrown to the ground, > restrained, and left locked in a van somewhere before being turned loose. > Even if there is no prior precedent for this, to guarantee our basic, > fundamental civil liberties and prevent such atrocities from being attempted > in the future we must establish this precedent. > > Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 3, 2011, at 10:49 AM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: > > That seems like a huge stretch legally. Even if the violations are > overturned, I seriously doubt that the arrests could be legally found to be > kidnapping, in which case the MTA employees would end up losing their jobs > for refusing. > > On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 10:46 AM, Will Gauss <willgauss@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> IANAL, but provisions of a contract which require violation of the law are >> unenforceable. Terminating their employment for refusing to kidnap >> innocents may well put the city in breach of contract. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> On Oct 3, 2011, at 10:28 AM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I was told no - that they would be fired if they refused - by a TWU >> staffer. But the union can put political pressure on the NYPD and mayor. >> >> On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 10:25 AM, hextic <willgauss@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Would these bus operators have any standing refusing to perform an >>> illegal action and refusing to become an accomplice in what is >>> essentially 700 counts of kidnapping and assault? >>> >>> On Oct 3, 9:53 am, Doug Singsen <dougsing...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> > ---------- Forwarded message --------->>> > From: acpolla...@juno.com <acpolla...@juno.com> >>> > Date: Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 9:45 AM >>> > Subject: [Labor OWS] TWU Blasts City for NYPD commandeering MTA buses, >>> > drivers, for Bridge arrests >>> > To: labor-outreach-committee@googlegroups.com >>> > >>> > This is huge. TWU's response to this outrage is great. >>> > Notice the cops got MTA bosses to order drivers to drive the >>> > commandeered >>> > buses.
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---------- Original Message ---------From: Dan DiMaggio To: acpolla...@gmail.com Subject:TWU Blasts City for Putting Occupy Wall St. Arrestees on Buses Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 09:36:47 -0400 "The Transport Workers Union will go to court Monday to try to stop the city from forcing bus drivers to transport Wall Street protesters arrested by the NYPD, the Daily News has learned... "TWU Local 100 supports the protesters on Wall Street and takes great offense that the mayor and NYPD have ordered operators to transport citizens who were exercising their constitutional right to protest - and shouldn't have been arrested in the first place," Samuelsen said Sunday night. Full:http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2011/10/03/2011-10-03_twu_blasts_... ________________________________________________
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Will Gauss september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: Fwd: [Labor OWS] TWU Blasts City for NYPD commandeering MTA buses, drivers, for Bridge arrests Monday, October 03, 2011 3:17:21 PM
I have no doubt that they will be found not guilty, but there is the significant concern that the NYPD can use bogus arrests to unjustly take people off the streets in legitimate expression of speech. Therefore, we MUST establisha precedent of police and governments being required to be injured in some way, likely financial to deter bogus mass arrests in the future. It is clear from past IA investigation history that the police cannot be trusted to police themselves. We must also ensure that ordinary officers are not harmed. The commanders and officials who ordered these bogus kidnappings must be the ones held to account for their actions. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 3, 2011, at 3:09 PM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote: > Will Gauss, the tickets/fines and summons must be revoked, this will > establish a precedent for all other occupations now mobilizing across > the US. > > On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 11:05 AM, Will Gauss <willgauss@gmail.com> wrote: >> The NYPD will have a very hard time justifying a total approaching 1,000 >> arrests at a peaceful political demonstration. In many cases, the people >> being led away were not actually charged of a crime or even told "you are >> under arrest". In cases like mine, we were simply thrown to the ground, >> restrained, and left locked in a van somewhere before being turned loose. >> Even if there is no prior precedent for this, to guarantee our basic, >> fundamental civil liberties and prevent such atrocities from being attempted >> in the future we must establish this precedent. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> On Oct 3, 2011, at 10:49 AM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> That seems like a huge stretch legally. Even if the violations are >> overturned, I seriously doubt that the arrests could be legally found to be >> kidnapping, in which case the MTA employees would end up losing their jobs >> for refusing. >> >> On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 10:46 AM, Will Gauss <willgauss@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> IANAL, but provisions of a contract which require violation of the law are >>> unenforceable. Terminating their employment for refusing to kidnap >>> innocents may well put the city in breach of contract. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> On Oct 3, 2011, at 10:28 AM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> I was told no - that they would be fired if they refused - by a TWU >>> staffer. But the union can put political pressure on the NYPD and mayor. >>> >>> On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 10:25 AM, hextic <willgauss@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Would these bus operators have any standing refusing to perform an >>>> illegal action and refusing to become an accomplice in what is >>>> essentially 700 counts of kidnapping and assault?
>>>> >>>> On Oct 3, 9:53 am, Doug Singsen <dougsing...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------->>>>> From: acpolla...@juno.com <acpolla...@juno.com> >>>>> Date: Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 9:45 AM >>>>> Subject: [Labor OWS] TWU Blasts City for NYPD commandeering MTA buses, >>>>> drivers, for Bridge arrests >>>>> To: labor-outreach-committee@googlegroups.com >>>>> >>>>> This is huge. TWU's response to this outrage is great. >>>>> Notice the cops got MTA bosses to order drivers to drive the >>>>> commandeered >>>>> buses. >>>>> >>>>> ---------- Original Message --------->>>>> From: Dan DiMaggio >>>>> To: acpolla...@gmail.com >>>>> Subject:TWU Blasts City for Putting Occupy Wall St. Arrestees on Buses >>>>> Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 09:36:47 -0400 >>>>> >>>>> "The Transport Workers >>>>> Union will go to court Monday to try to stop the city from forcing bus >>>>> drivers to >>>>> transport Wall Street protesters arrested by the NYPD, the Daily News >>>>> has >>>>> learned... >>>>> "TWU Local 100 supports the protesters on Wall Street and takes great >>>>> offense that the mayor and NYPD have ordered operators to transport >>>>> citizens >>>>> who were exercising their constitutional right to protest - and >>>>> shouldn't >>>>> have been arrested in the first place," Samuelsen said Sunday night. >>>>> >>>>> Full:http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2011/10/03/2011-10-03_twu_blasts_... >>>>> ________________________________________________ >> >>
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Doug Singsen september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: Fwd: [Labor OWS] TWU Blasts City for NYPD commandeering MTA buses, drivers, for Bridge arrests Monday, October 03, 2011 10:28:39 AM
I was told no - that they would be fired if they refused - by a TWU staffer. But the union can put political pressure on the NYPD and mayor. On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 10:25 AM, hextic <willgauss@gmail.com> wrote: Would these bus operators have any standing refusing to perform an illegal action and refusing to become an accomplice in what is essentially 700 counts of kidnapping and assault? On Oct 3, 9:53 am, Doug Singsen <dougsing...@gmail.com> wrote: > ---------- Forwarded message ---------> From: acpolla...@juno.com <acpolla...@juno.com> > Date: Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 9:45 AM > Subject: [Labor OWS] TWU Blasts City for NYPD commandeering MTA buses, > drivers, for Bridge arrests > To: labor-outreach-committee@googlegroups.com > > This is huge. TWU's response to this outrage is great. > Notice the cops got MTA bosses to order drivers to drive the commandeered > buses. > > ---------- Original Message ---------> From: Dan DiMaggio > To: acpolla...@gmail.com > Subject:TWU Blasts City for Putting Occupy Wall St. Arrestees on Buses > Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 09:36:47 -0400 > > "The Transport Workers > Union will go to court Monday to try to stop the city from forcing bus > drivers to > transport Wall Street protesters arrested by the NYPD, the Daily News has > learned... > "TWU Local 100 supports the protesters on Wall Street and takes great > offense that the mayor and NYPD have ordered operators to transport citizens > who were exercising their constitutional right to protest - and shouldn't > have been arrested in the first place," Samuelsen said Sunday night. > Full:http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2011/10/03/2011-1003_twu_blasts_... > ________________________________________________
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of J Wedes september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: Fwd: Confirming our agreement to meet today, 2:30 pm Monday, October 03, 2011 12:46:21 PM
This mtg came about after our committee visited the community board 1 meeting last week, and a resolution was proposed by the man below to condemn our camp. it was tabled by a 24-13 vote, so i approached the man afterwards to address his concerns (and that of the minority of community board members). he suggested we sit to talk about those concerns so we could bring them back to the GA. for more detail, send me a message offline and i'll report back tonight or tomorrow morning with details to GA. -justin
On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 12:03 PM, hextic <willgauss@gmail.com> wrote: I will not be able to come myself, but could you perhaps provide a short background of what has occurred so far? On Oct 3, 11:27 am, J Wedes <jwe...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hey all, > > Who is able to join me for this meeting? > > The important discussions will be about local resident concerns of sound > level, public use of space, etc. > > Ro is from Community Board 1, and is considering even supporting our cause > after presenting a resolution AGAINST it that was voted down at a meeting > last week. > > /justin > > > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------> From: Ro Sheffe <ro.m...@att.net> > Date: Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 7:31 AM > Subject: Confirming our agreement to meet today, 2:30 pm > To: Justin Wedes <occupywallstreet.f...@gmail.com> > > Justin, > > To confirm our phone conversation, we'll meet with you later today, at 2:30 > pm, as we agreed: >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
Monday, 3 Oct., 2:30 pm *Meade's Restaurant* 22 Peck Slip, at Water Street Map: *http://g.co/maps/ywh5s * <http://g.co/maps/ywh5s>I look forward to seeing you there. I can be contacted by cell phone if necessary at the number below. Thanks, -ro 917-592-5284
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Micah White september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: growing occupy wall st - POPS Tuesday, October 04, 2011 1:47:22 PM
brilliant. multiple encampments in nyc would be amazing. On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 10:28 AM, Drew H <drew@nycga.net> wrote: The private public space situation is amazing for us. There is a need to expand. I've cc'ed this information to the september17 google group. On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 1:31 AM, Linnea M. Palmer Paton <lpalmerpaton@gmail.com> wrote: Hi Drew, I would send this to tactical but they don't seem to have an online presence. Please forward as you see fit. I'm an urban planning student, so naturally I was interested in the legal framework that made it possible for us to be in Zuccotti park. After some research I found the NYC Dept. of City Planning's zoning regulation and inventory of all privately owned public spaces (POPS). Since I hope that OWS gets so many people that we have to take over other sites, I thought we should start planning for what those sites are. I took the NYC DCP's inventory list, looked them up on google earth, and made a map of all the spaces that I think are large enough to accommodate another occupation site. Yellow is what I think is best, red is okay, blue is iffy, and pink is I'm not sure it's a POPS (the inventory is somewhat ambiguous by only listing street numbers and not providing maps of each site. I've attached the map I made, the NYC DCP inventory, the zoning reg (legalese), and a summary of POPS in NYC. Again, feel free to share.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Dale Luce september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: growing occupy wall st - POPS Tuesday, October 04, 2011 7:30:09 PM
Hey thats excellent! I dont see the file attached, I am i missing something? Could you please forward it if not? Thanks! On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 1:46 PM, Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com> wrote: brilliant. multiple encampments in nyc would be amazing. On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 10:28 AM, Drew H <drew@nycga.net> wrote: The private public space situation is amazing for us. There is a need to expand. I've cc'ed this information to the september17 google group. On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 1:31 AM, Linnea M. Palmer Paton <lpalmerpaton@gmail.com> wrote: Hi Drew, I would send this to tactical but they don't seem to have an online presence. Please forward as you see fit. I'm an urban planning student, so naturally I was interested in the legal framework that made it possible for us to be in Zuccotti park. After some research I found the NYC Dept. of City Planning's zoning regulation and inventory of all privately owned public spaces (POPS). Since I hope that OWS gets so many people that we have to take over other sites, I thought we should start planning for what those sites are. I took the NYC DCP's inventory list, looked them up on google earth, and made a map of all the spaces that I think are large enough to accommodate another occupation site. Yellow is what I think is best, red is okay, blue is iffy, and pink is I'm not sure it's a POPS (the inventory is somewhat ambiguous by only listing street numbers and not providing maps of each site. I've attached the map I made, the NYC DCP inventory, the zoning reg (legalese), and a summary of POPS in NYC. Again, feel free to share.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Doug Singsen september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: growing occupy wall st - POPS Tuesday, October 04, 2011 1:31:33 PM
Can you forward the map Linnea made? On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 1:28 PM, Drew H <drew@nycga.net> wrote: The private public space situation is amazing for us. There is a need to expand. I've cc'ed this information to the september17 google group. On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 1:31 AM, Linnea M. Palmer Paton <lpalmerpaton@gmail.com> wrote: Hi Drew, I would send this to tactical but they don't seem to have an online presence. Please forward as you see fit. I'm an urban planning student, so naturally I was interested in the legal framework that made it possible for us to be in Zuccotti park. After some research I found the NYC Dept. of City Planning's zoning regulation and inventory of all privately owned public spaces (POPS). Since I hope that OWS gets so many people that we have to take over other sites, I thought we should start planning for what those sites are. I took the NYC DCP's inventory list, looked them up on google earth, and made a map of all the spaces that I think are large enough to accommodate another occupation site. Yellow is what I think is best, red is okay, blue is iffy, and pink is I'm not sure it's a POPS (the inventory is somewhat ambiguous by only listing street numbers and not providing maps of each site. I've attached the map I made, the NYC DCP inventory, the zoning reg (legalese), and a summary of POPS in NYC. Again, feel free to share.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of gail zawacki september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: OccupyWallStreet Economic Statement Draft 1 Tuesday, October 04, 2011 5:58:11 PM
But we aren't protesting one thing, like the Iraq war. If you look at photos of the signs people carry, their are multiple issues. I have argued that we could make the one demand - get corporate money out of politics - and many of the other issues would, and should, be resolved in a real democracy according to what the majority of the people want v. what will profit the plutocracy greatest. However there is quite a bit of resistance to boiling it all down to one demand on the part of some of the most active and passionate occupiers, and to allow it to be an evolving and organic process - and so I tend to think it's up to the press, like Matt T., to explain THAT position, rather than pressure OWS to capitulate. On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 4:07 PM, Cesar <wintersiroco@gmail.com> wrote: I do not expect nothing but populist concesions. If they start to work for the people tomorrow, great, it will advance our goals, but our strategy is to grow our power. Cesar Sent from phone
On Oct 4, 2011, at 3:34 PM, Matthew Taibbi <m_taibbi@yahoo.com> wrote: Let me ask you a question. If this were the Iraq war you were protesting instead of Wall Street corruption, would it be "naive" to demand a withdrawal from Iraq? Are you saying it's "naive" because it's unreasonable to expect results? I don't understand the use of that word in this context. --- On Tue, 10/4/11, Cesar <wintersiroco@gmail.com> wrote: From: Cesar <wintersiroco@gmail.com> Subject: Re: OccupyWallStreet Economic Statement Draft 1 To: "Matthew Taibbi" <m_taibbi@yahoo.com> Cc: "Yves Smith" <yves@nakedcapitalism.com>, "Dylan Ratigan" <dylanratigan@gmail.com>, "Michael Hudson" <michael.hudson@earthlink.net>, "WilliamBlack" <blackw@umkc.edu>, "David DeGraw" <AmpedStatus@ampedstatus.com>, "september17@googlegroups.com" <september17@googlegroups.com>, "yotam.marom@gmail.com" <yotam.marom@gmail.com>, "vlad@glassbeadcollective.com"
<vlad@glassbeadcollective.com>, "dissector@mediachannel.org" <dissector@mediachannel.org>, "Nomi" <nomi@nomiprins.com>, "Michael" <mh@michael-hudson.com>, "Mike Papantonio" <MPapantonio@levinlaw.com>, "MichaelKrieger" <michael@kamlp.com>, "George Washington" <georgewashington.911blogger@gmail.com>, "Tyler Durden" <tyler@zerohedge.org>, "ellenhbrown@gmail.com" <ellenhbrown@gmail.com>, "Karl" <karl@denninger.net>, "Barry" <thebigpicture@optonline.net>, "Kevin Zeese" <kbzeese@gmail.com>, "max" <maxkeiser@gmail.com>, "Matt" <M_TAIBBI@yahoo.com>, "Simon" <baselinescenario@gmail.com>, "Zach" <carter.zach@gmail.com>, "David CayJohnston" <dcjohn01@law.syr.edu>, "Bill Laggner" <laggner@bearingasset.com>, "Paul" <paulcraigroberts@yahoo.com>, "Noam Chomsky" <chomsky@mit.edu>, "BillMoyers" <moyersb@moyersmedia.com>, "ggreenwald@salon.com" <ggreenwald@salon.com>, "glen.ford@blackagendareport.com" <glen.ford@blackagendareport.com>, "oftwomindz@comcast.net" <oftwomindz@comcast.net> Date: Tuesday, October 4, 2011, 3:05 PM I am for elaborating collective discourse, but perhaps better in terms of general GOALS rather than demands. Demads are naive at this point, to put it shoftly. This is not incompatible with strategic actions that may achieve short term victories. Due to our location I think we should provide our view of the economic facts, and prioritize our actions toward short term and long term solutions. Regarding the elaboration of collective discourse, perhaps we should try some form of open source or similar wiki-process that would facilitate multiple contributions from diverse viewpoints. Cesar Sent from phone
On Oct 4, 2011, at 10:40 AM, Matthew Taibbi <m_taibbi@yahoo.com> wrote: I disagree with the notion that there shouldn't be demands. I think there should be a few simple ones. It's not a MSM conspiracy when the press wonders what the movement wants or who is leading it. I think there are a lot of people in the press and even on Wall Street who are ready to support the movement wholeheartedly, if it could articulate some specifics. If OWS could identify a few basic problems -- overEmails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com
concentration of capital, regulatory capture, overweening influence of money on politics, excess financialization of the economy, tax unfairness, etc -- and propose some first-step solutions to all of those things (break up the banks, force bailout recipients to give up lobbying, end the carried interest and capital gains exemptions as Michael points out, etc), you'd have more allies, you'd be educating the public about a subject that it has a tough time getting real information about through normal media, and it would prevent the other side of the debate from being able to define the movement in their own (inevitably unflattering) terms. The only thing preventing millions of people from going out onto the streets on their own is that they don't understand how Wall Street works or what it does. That to me is why the movement needs to be specific. It has a responsibility to explain these problems to the general public and to show that solutions do exist and that they're attainable. People I think need more than just the knowledge that they can protest -- they need to believe that they can fix things and that someone out there has the answers. And a lot of the people on this email list do have the answers and could provide that leadership that is so desperately needed.
--- On Tue, 10/4/11, Dylan Ratigan <dylanratigan@gmail.com> wrote: From: Dylan Ratigan <dylanratigan@gmail.com> Subject: Re: OccupyWallStreet Economic Statement Draft 1 To: "Yves Smith" <yves@nakedcapitalism.com> Cc: "Michael Hudson" <michael.hudson@earthlink.net>, "Black, William" <blackw@umkc.edu>, "David DeGraw" <AmpedStatus@ampedstatus.com>, "september17@googlegroups.com" <september17@googlegroups.com>, "yotam.marom@gmail.com" <yotam.marom@gmail.com>, "Winter Siroco" <wintersiroco@gmail.com>, "vlad@glassbeadcollective.com" <vlad@glassbeadcollective.com>, "dissector@mediachannel.org" <dissector@mediachannel.org>, "Nomi" <nomi@nomiprins.com>, "Michael" <mh@michael-hudson.com>, "Mike Papantonio"
<MPapantonio@levinlaw.com>, "Michael Krieger" <michael@kamlp.com>, "George Washington" <georgewashington.911blogger@gmail.com>, "Tyler Durden" <tyler@zerohedge.org>, "ellenhbrown@gmail.com" <ellenhbrown@gmail.com>, "Karl" <karl@denninger.net>, "Barry" <thebigpicture@optonline.net>, "Kevin Zeese" <kbzeese@gmail.com>, "max" <maxkeiser@gmail.com>, "Matt" <M_TAIBBI@yahoo.com>, "Simon" <baselinescenario@gmail.com>, "Zach" <carter.zach@gmail.com>, "David Cay Johnston" <dcjohn01@law.syr.edu>, "Bill Laggner" <laggner@bearingasset.com>, "Paul" <paulcraigroberts@yahoo.com>, "Noam Chomsky" <chomsky@mit.edu>, "Moyers, Bill" <moyersb@moyersmedia.com>, "ggreenwald@salon.com" <ggreenwald@salon.com>, "glen.ford@blackagendareport.com" <glen.ford@blackagendareport.com>, "oftwomindz@comcast.net" <oftwomindz@comcast.net> Date: Tuesday, October 4, 2011, 9:17 AM I agree with Yves entirely. The focus on simple shared principle and intent to align with all who agree with that principle is a unique strength. Learning, teaching and growing. On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 4:11 AM, Yves Smith <yves@nakedcapitalism.com> wrote: I disagree strongly with the idea of any demands now. The number participating are far too small for the effort to have any bargaining leverage or to be perceived to represent anyone. What is hugely disconcerting to the MSM and the officialdom is the lack of demands and the lack of easy to identify leadership These need to be understood as strengths, not weaknesses. The labor union movement was over time completely discredited because the leadership was quickly corrupted and sold out the membership. The "We are the 99%" is a VERY powerful message. It basically says "We don't need to negotiate. This is our country and we want it back from the top 1% which has been selling us out." The 1% know damned well what the
99% want. If you forced any 10 in the top 1% of them to make a list of 10 things they thought the other 99% wanted, I guarantee you'd have no more than 16 real issues (at most) among the 100 answers you'd get in total. And I strongly suspect the 99% would agree or at most restate them. They are MUCH better off making a general statement along the "We Are 99%" that holds their ground, and makes clear that their first priority is establishing their presence, building a critical mass and representation around the US. There should be a clever way of throwing the demand for demands back on the media: "It has taken years to create this mess, the public has been sold on the idea that it is powerless. Our first aim is to convey that the bottom 99% doesn't merely have the right to a seat at the table, it should not have to negotiate with the top 1% because the elites depend on our acquiescence and support for their very survival." There has to be a nice way to say that, but I would brush off the demand and make it clear that organization/membership building and (I hate to use that tired 60s term, but it fits) consciousness raising are the first priorities. The more the numbers swell, the more power this effort has. Issuing demands is not on the critical path right now and has the potential to deter people from joining. The broader public understands damned well what the aims are even if the elites and their media lapdogs are playing stupid. On Oct 3, 2011, at 3:54 PM, Michael Hudson wrote: > I suggest putting a specific POLICY DEMAND. > How about "Bankruptcy legislation to free people without jobs from > student loan debt." > Or more accurately: "Tax capital gains as high as wages." > "Remove the tax deductibility of debt." > "A Public Option for Credit Cards -- lower the rates and penalties." > Michael Hudson > >
> On 10/3/11 3:37 PM, "Black, William" <blackw@umkc.edu> wrote: > >> I would recommend adding/substituting something along these lines. If we're >> going to raise the subject of "fraud" we need to give some of the supporting >> facts. >> >> The systemically dangerous institutions (SDIs) are inaccurately called "too >> big to fail" banks. The administration calls them "systemically important," >> and acts as if they deserve a gold star. The ugly truth, however, is what >> Wall Street and each administration screams when the SDIs get in trouble. >> They warn us that if a single SDI fails it will cause a global financial >> crisis. There are roughly 20 U.S. SDIs and about the same number abroad. >> That means that we roll the dice 40 times a day to see which SDI will blow up >> next and drag the world economy into crisis. Economists agree that the SDIs >> are so large that they are grotesquely inefficient. In "good times," >> therefore, they harm our economy. It is insane not to shrink the SDIs to the >> point that they no longer hold the global economy hostage. The ability -- and >> willingness -- of the CEOs that control SDIs to hold our economy hostage makes >> the SDIs too big to regulate and prosecute. It also allows them to extort, >> dominate, and degrade our democracies. The SDIs pose a clear and present >> danger to the U.S. and the world. >> >> It takes a global effort against the SDIs because they constantly put nations >> in competition with each other in order to generate a "race to the bottom." >> We are always being warned that if the U.S. adopts even minimal regulation of >> its SDIs they will flee to the City of London or be unable to compete with >> Germany's "universal" banks. The result of the race to the bottom, however, >> as Ireland, Iceland, the UK, and U.S. all experienced is that we create >> intensely criminogenic environment that creates epidemics of "control fraud."
>> Control fraud -- frauds led by CEOs who use seemingly legitimate entities as >> "weapons" to defraud -- cause greater financial losses than all other forms of >> property crime -- combined. Because of the political power of the SDIs and >> the destruction of effective regulation these fraudulent SDIs now commit >> endemic fraud with impunity. >> >> Effective financial regulation is essential if markets are to work. >> Regulators have to serve as the "cops on the beat" to keep the fraudsters from >> gaining a competitive advantage over honest firms. George Akerlof, the >> economist who identified and labeled this perverse ("Gresham's") dynamic was >> awarded the Nobel Prize in 2001 for his insight about how control fraud makes >> market forces perverse. >> >> [D]ishonest dealings tend to drive honest dealings out of the market. The >> cost of dishonesty, therefore, lies not only in the amount by which the >> purchaser is cheated; the cost also must include the loss incurred from >> driving legitimate business out of existence. George Akerlof (1970). >> >> One of the most perceptive observers of humanity recognized this same dynamic >> two centuries before Akerlof. >> >> "The Lilliputians look upon fraud as a greater crime than theft. For, they >> allege, care and vigilance, with a very common understanding, can protect a >> mans goods from thieves, but honesty hath no fence against superior cunning. >> . . where fraud is permitted or connived at, or hath no law to punish it, the >> honest dealer is always undone, and the knave gets the advantage." Swift, J. >> Gullivers Travels >> >> We are the allies of honest banks and bankers. We are their essential allies, >> for only effective regulation permits them to exist and prosper. Think of >> what would happen to banks if we took the regular cops off the beat and
>> stopped prosecuting bank robbers. That's what happens when we take the >> regulatory cops off the beat. The only difference is that it is the >> controlling officers who loot the bank in the absence of the regulatory cops >> on the beat. It is the anti-regulators who are the enemy of honest banks and >> bankers. >> >> Top criminologists, effective financial regulators, and Nobel Laureates in >> economics have confirmed that epidemics of control fraud, such as the FBI >> warned of in September 2004, can cause financial bubbles to hyper-inflate and >> drive catastrophic financial crises. Indeed, the FBI predicted in September >> 2004 that the developing "epidemic" of mortgage fraud would cause a financial >> "crisis" if it were not stopped. It grew massively after 2004. The >> fraudulent SDIs (who were far broader than Fannie and Freddie, indeed, they >> only began to dominate the secondary market in sales of fraudulent loans after >> 2005) ignored the FBI and industry fraud warnings for the most obvious of >> reasons -- they were leaders the frauds. The ongoing U.S. crisis was driven >> overwhelmingly by fraudulent "liar's" loans. Studies have shown that the >> incidence of fraud in liar's loans is 90% (MBA/MARI 2006) and that by 2006 >> roughly one-third of all mortgage loans were liar's loans (Credit Suisse >> 2007). Rajdeep Sengupta, an economist at the Federal Reserve Bank of St. >> Louis, reported in 2010 in an article entitled Alt-A: The Forgotten Segment >> of the Mortgage Market that: >> >> "[B]etween 2003 and 2006 subprime and Alt-A [loans grew] 94 and 340 percent, >> respectively. The higher levels of originations after 2003 were largely >> sustained by the growth of the nonprime (both the subprime and Alt-A) segment >> of the mortgage market." >> >> Sengupta's data greatly understate the role of Alt-A loans (the euphemism >> for liars loans) for they ignore the fact
that by 2006 half of the loans >> called subprime were also liars loans (Credit Suisse: 2007). It was the >> massive growth in fraudulent liars loans that hyper-inflated and greatly >> extended the life of the bubble, producing the Great Recession. The growth of >> fraudulent loans rapidly increased, rather than decreased, after government >> and industry anti-fraud specialists warned that liar's loans were endemically >> fraudulent. No one in the government ever told a bank that it had to make or >> purchase a "liar's" loan. No honest mortgage lender would make liar's loans >> because doing so must cause severe losses. Criminologists, economists aware >> of the relevant criminological and economics literature on control fraud, and >> a host of investigations have confirmed the endemic nature of control fraud in >> the ongoing U.S. crisis. >> >> But the banking elites that led these frauds have been able to do so with >> impunity from prosecution. Take on federal agency, the Office of Thrift >> Supervision (OTS). During the S&L debacle, the OTS made well over 10,000 >> criminal referrals and made the removal of control frauds from the industry >> and their prosecution its top two priorities. The agency's support and the >> provision of 1000 FBI agents to investigate the cases led to the felony >> conviction of over 1,000 S&L frauds. The bulk of those convictions came from >> the "Top 100" list that OTS and the FBI created to prioritize the >> investigation of the worst failed S&Ls. In the ongoing crisis -- which caused >> losses 40 times larger than the S&L debacle, the OTS made zero criminal >> referrals, the FBI (as recently as FY 2007) assigned only 120 agents >> nationally to respond to the well over one million cases of mortgage fraud >> that occurred annually, and the OTS' noneffort produced no convictions of any >> S&L control frauds. OTS' sister agencies, the Fed and the OCC, have the same >> record of not even attempting to identify and prosecute the frauds. The FDIC
>> was better, but still only a shadow of what it was in fighting fraud in the >> early 1990s. If control frauds can operate with impunity from criminal >> prosecutions, then the perverse Gresham's dynamic is maximized and market >> forces will increasingly drive honest banks and firms from the marketplace. >> >> The Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission reported on the results of the Great >> Recession that was driven by this fraud epidemic: >> >> "As this report goes to print, there are more than 26 million Americans who >> are out of work, cannot find full-time work, or have given up looking for >> work. About >> four million families have lost their homes to foreclosure and another four >> and a half million have slipped into the foreclosure process or are seriously >> behind on their >> mortgage payments. Nearly $11 trillion in household wealth has vanished, with >> retirement accounts and life savings swept away. Businesses, large and small, >> have felt the sting of a deep recession." >> >> It is the fraudulent SDIs that are the massive job killers and wealth >> destroyers. It is the Great Recession that the fraudulent SDIs produced that >> caused most of the growth in the federal deficits and made the fiscal crises >> in our states and localities acute. The senior officers that led the control >> frauds are the opposite of the "productive class." No one, without the aid of >> an army, has ever destroyed more wealth and dreams than the control frauds. >> It is past to hold them accountable, to help their victims recover, and to end >> their ongoing frauds and corruption that have crippled our economy, our >> democracy, and our nation. jj >> >> Best, >> Bill Black >> ________________________________________ >> From: David DeGraw
[AmpedStatus@AmpedStatus.com] >> Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 12:33 PM >> To: september17@googlegroups.com; yotam.marom@gmail.com; Winter Siroco; >> vlad@glassbeadcollective.com; dissector@mediachannel.org; >> dylanratigan@gmail.com; Nomi; Black, William; yves@nakedcapitalism.com; >> Michael; Mike Papantonio; Michael Krieger; George Washington; Tyler Durden; >> ellenhbrown@gmail.com; Karl; Barry; Kevin Zeese; max; Matt; Simon; Zach; David >> Cay Johnston; Bill Laggner; Paul; Noam Chomsky; Moyers, Bill; >> ggreenwald@salon.com; glen.ford@blackagendareport.com; oftwomindz@comcast.net >> Subject: Re: OccupyWallStreet Economic Statement Draft 1 >> >> here it is w/ Dylan's suggested revisions, the ending needs smoothing out, >> let's see if we can finalize something tonight in GA - flooded w/ calls rght >> now, will be on NBC w/ Brian William tonight >> >> STATEMENT: >> >> we are publishing this statement in response to misinformation being spread >> throughout some media outlets, we would like to issue the statement below to >> give some clarification as to why we are currently occupying Wall Street: >> >> Now let us make something clear to our fellow American citizens. We - old, >> young, rich, poor, middle class, black, white, blue, red, hippies, >> conservatives, liberals, soldiers, teachers, lawyers, doctors, firefighters, >> and yes, police officers - the people occupying Wall Street, are not against >> rich people for being rich, as various corporate media outlets are attempting >> to make you think we are. We believe wealth should be a byproduct of working >> together to solve our problems with aligned interests. To clarify, what we are >> fighting against are the people, politicians and corporations who are >> responsible for trillions of dollars in fraud. We are fighting a political
>> system that has been hijacked and rigged against hardworking Americans by the >> global financial elite. We are rebelling against economic tyranny. We are >> defending the United States against an occupying global financial oligarchy. >> >> Our families have endured financial oppression for long enough. >> >> We are here to defend the people of the United Sates. America has been >> invaded and is currently occupied by global banks that have systematically >> looted our economy and destroyed our economic future. Through a system of >> political bribery - campaign finance, lobbying and the revolving door between >> Washington and Wall Street the global financial elite have bought off our >> politicians and now dominate our political process. >> >> So-called too big to fail financial companies, such as Goldman Sachs, JP >> Morgan Chase, Bank of America and Citigroup are responsible for trillions of >> dollars in fraudulent activity. As their global derivative Ponzi scheme began >> to crash, these global corporations got paid off politicians and the Federal >> Reserve to give them over $20 trillion dollars in taxpayer money and >> subsidies. After these global banks crashed our economy and took trillions of >> dollars of our national wealth, which saved their insolvent companies from >> going out of business, they turned around and had the audacity to give >> themselves all-time record-breaking bonuses. >> >> They used our tax dollars to give themselves all-time recording-breaking >> bonuses. >> >> At a time of national crisis, with calls for shared sacrifice, they used our >> tax dollars to give themselves all-time record-breaking bonuses. >> >> As a result of their actions, our country has been economically attacked. The
>> statistics speak for themselves. >> >> According to the National Academy of Sciences, we have over 50 million >> Americans living in poverty. This shocking number of American families >> currently living in poverty is at an all-time high. Over 50 million Americans >> are also without health care. 46 million Americans are relying on food stamps >> to feed their families. Over 64 million Americans have zero or negative net >> worth. Over 200 million Americans are living paycheck to paycheck desperately >> struggling to make ends meet as they are buried in debt. As this dire >> situation grows even more severe, the global financial elite are richer than >> ever. Over the course of the past generation, they have consolidated wealth >> in unprecedented fashion. We currently have the highest inequality of wealth >> in American history. Not even the Robber Barons were as bad as the modern day >> economic elite. >> >> In the US, millionaire households currently have over $46 trillion in wealth. >> On an annual basis, only one-tenth of one percent of the US population makes >> over $1 million per year. Breaking it down even further, 400 American >> billionaires currently have as much wealth as 154 million Americans. These >> 400 people have as much wealth as half of the entire US population. >> >> As we said before, we are not against rich people for being rich. We believe >> wealth should be a byproduct of working together to solve our problems with >> aligned interests. >> >> Our families and our country have endured financial oppression for long >> enough. >> >> Please join us or organize an action of your own. Anything you are willing to >> do to rebel against economic tyranny in a non-violent manner is welcome. >> >>
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Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.

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and could provide that leadership that is so desperately needed.

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hey I am being interviewed on the following talk show, http://www.blogtalkradio.com/v-

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NY Times plugs occupy Together: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/04/us/anti-wall-street-protests-spread-to-other-cities.html?hp

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supporters. It's a great connection. thanks, Gail

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Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2011/10/02/2011-1002_nypd_video_shows_cops_warning_occupy_wall_street_protesters_they_could_be_arrest.html#ixzz1ZeAnzo26 Cesar

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6am Sept 18th I counted 215 sleepers and beds

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On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 9:15 AM, Amin Husain <amin.husain@gmail.com> wrote:

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how it's evolving.

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