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unpaid medical bills. - Pair the taxes on long-term capital gains to the income tax. Repeal the Tax Reconciliation Act now. - Ban all corporate funding to political candidates. Enable each taxpayer and citizen to donate the same amount of money to a candidate or party of his or her choice. - Radical reform of the electoral system. Enable new political formations to compete on an equal foot with the two major parties.
On 9/28/11 6:39 PM, grimwomyn wrote: The demand needs to be four words or less. Example: mubarak out On Sep 28, 2011 6:35 PM, "L. W. Wind" <play.reality@gmail.com> wrote: > I think making it exact (like getting an accountant in on it) would be good. > Like, have that ideal as the banner and beneath a blow by blow > manifesto > "All people shall be taxed 10% from all sources except..." > well heck i'm not an accountant i have no clue but then we can send it out > and make it a demand. all the newspapers would run it if it sounded sane and > logical. > > On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 6:31 PM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Sorry to sound like a broken record, but if we're back to wanting one >> demand I still like >> >> Get corporate money out of politics >> >> or something like it. Many, many other problems would be fixed if we had a >> real democracy. >> >> >> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 6:18 PM, Joshua van Praag <jvanpraag@me.com>wrote: >> >>> +1 >>> >>> Joshua van Praag
Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com
>>> jvanpraag@me.com >>> >>> +1.347.445.8315 >>> +44.(0)7787.896952 >>> >>> On Sep 28, 2011, at 6:23 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> I like the idea to demand that people occupy their cites until justice is >>> served >>> On Sep 28, 2011 6:14 PM, "L. W. Wind" < <play.reality@gmail.com> >>> play.reality@gmail.com> wrote: >>> > um my spell check does not work >>> > >>> > tax APPROPRIATELY sorry! >>> > >>> > On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 5:58 PM, J.A. Myerson <<jesse.myerson@gmail.com> >>> jesse.myerson@gmail.com>wrote: >>> > >>> >> What on earth does that mean? >>> >> >>> >> JAM >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 5:57 PM, L. W. Wind < <play.reality@gmail.com> >>> play.reality@gmail.com>wrote: >>> >> >>> >>> for starters, "tax inappropriaty" >>> >>> then move to the next? >>> >>> ->>> >>> -Ms. Wind >>> >>> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> ->>> >> J.A. Myerson >>> >> <http://www.jamyerson.com>http://www.jamyerson.com >>> >> 347.688.0241 >>> >> >>> >> >>> > >>> > >>> > ->>> > -Ms. Wind >>> >>> >> >
> > -> -Ms. Wind
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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Snafu september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] can we try to come up with one demand? Wednesday, September 28, 2011 7:16:52 PM
I disagree, the dictatorship of financial capital and corporate power over people's daily lives is a much more complex affair than ousting a dictator. There is no one demand that will solve this issue, because financial capital is entangled with people daily lives much more than we think. Workers' pension funds, state and federal budgets are now attached to the stock market. Further, in this country millions of people have their savings invested in equities. Even more, thanks to the end of the separation between commercial banking and investment banking, all our savings are invested on the stock market even when we don't choose to. If you think the money you see (or don't see) on your bank account are real, you are dreaming. They are all pumped in the stock market to keep the vampire alive, and they could vanish overnight, as this trader, Alessio Rastani, candidly put it a couple of days ago on BBC News: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aC19fEqR5bA This is the reason why reintroducing Glass-Steagall would be a very important measure. I have posted several sensible demands to this list several times, but every day or so this conversation begins anew... Saying "We want a democracy, not a corporatocry" will not solve any of these issues. This is a delusional stance and even if the movement keeps growing, eventually it will have to face the question of what political demands to articulate, what are its priorities, what kind of alliances to make, etc. At the moment, there is no real political discussion going on and t this lack of ideas and debate will have a negative impact in the long run. Again, these are seven points I think we should begin with: - Stop gambling people's savings on Wall Street. Reinstate the 1933 Glass-Steagall Act that separates investment banking from commercial banking. - Corporations are not and will never be people. End corporate personhood under the 14th Amendment. - Tax all financial transactions as we tax all salable goods through. Introduce a global tax on all financial transactions now. - Housing is a human right. Halt all foreclosures due to predatory lending and unpaid medical bills. - Pair the taxes on long-term capital gains to the income tax. Repeal the Tax Reconciliation Act now. - Ban all corporate funding to political candidates. Enable each taxpayer and citizen to donate the same amount of money to a candidate or party of his or her choice.
- Radical reform of the electoral system. Enable new political formations to compete on an equal foot with the two major parties.
On 9/28/11 6:39 PM, grimwomyn wrote: The demand needs to be four words or less. Example: mubarak out On Sep 28, 2011 6:35 PM, "L. W. Wind" <play.reality@gmail.com> wrote: > I think making it exact (like getting an accountant in on it) would be good. > Like, have that ideal as the banner and beneath a blow by blow > manifesto > "All people shall be taxed 10% from all sources except..." > well heck i'm not an accountant i have no clue but then we can send it out > and make it a demand. all the newspapers would run it if it sounded sane and > logical. > > On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 6:31 PM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Sorry to sound like a broken record, but if we're back to wanting one >> demand I still like >> >> Get corporate money out of politics >> >> or something like it. Many, many other problems would be fixed if we had a >> real democracy. >> >> >> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 6:18 PM, Joshua van Praag <jvanpraag@me.com>wrote: >> >>> +1 >>> >>> Joshua van Praag >>> jvanpraag@me.com >>> >>> +1.347.445.8315 >>> +44.(0)7787.896952 >>> >>> On Sep 28, 2011, at 6:23 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> I like the idea to demand that people occupy their cites until justice is
>>> served >>> On Sep 28, 2011 6:14 PM, "L. W. Wind" < <play.reality@gmail.com> >>> play.reality@gmail.com> wrote: >>> > um my spell check does not work >>> > >>> > tax APPROPRIATELY sorry! >>> > >>> > On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 5:58 PM, J.A. Myerson <<jesse.myerson@gmail.com> >>> jesse.myerson@gmail.com>wrote: >>> > >>> >> What on earth does that mean? >>> >> >>> >> JAM >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 5:57 PM, L. W. Wind < <play.reality@gmail.com> >>> play.reality@gmail.com>wrote: >>> >> >>> >>> for starters, "tax inappropriaty" >>> >>> then move to the next? >>> >>> ->>> >>> -Ms. Wind >>> >>> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> ->>> >> J.A. Myerson >>> >> <http://www.jamyerson.com>http://www.jamyerson.com >>> >> 347.688.0241 >>> >> >>> >> >>> > >>> > >>> > ->>> > -Ms. Wind >>> >>> >> > > > -> -Ms. Wind
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] can we try to come up with one demand? Wednesday, September 28, 2011 6:39:50 PM
The demand needs to be four words or less. Example: mubarak out On Sep 28, 2011 6:35 PM, "L. W. Wind" <play.reality@gmail.com> wrote: > I think making it exact (like getting an accountant in on it) would be good. > Like, have that ideal as the banner and beneath a blow by blow > manifesto > "All people shall be taxed 10% from all sources except..." > well heck i'm not an accountant i have no clue but then we can send it out > and make it a demand. all the newspapers would run it if it sounded sane and > logical. > > On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 6:31 PM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Sorry to sound like a broken record, but if we're back to wanting one >> demand I still like >> >> Get corporate money out of politics >> >> or something like it. Many, many other problems would be fixed if we had a >> real democracy. >> >> >> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 6:18 PM, Joshua van Praag <jvanpraag@me.com>wrote: >> >>> +1 >>> >>> Joshua van Praag >>> jvanpraag@me.com >>> >>> +1.347.445.8315 >>> +44.(0)7787.896952 >>> >>> On Sep 28, 2011, at 6:23 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> I like the idea to demand that people occupy their cites until justice is >>> served >>> On Sep 28, 2011 6:14 PM, "L. W. Wind" < <play.reality@gmail.com> >>> play.reality@gmail.com> wrote: >>> > um my spell check does not work >>> > >>> > tax APPROPRIATELY sorry! >>> > >>> > On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 5:58 PM, J.A. Myerson <<jesse.myerson@gmail.com>
>>> jesse.myerson@gmail.com>wrote: >>> > >>> >> What on earth does that mean? >>> >> >>> >> JAM >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 5:57 PM, L. W. Wind < <play.reality@gmail.com> >>> play.reality@gmail.com>wrote: >>> >> >>> >>> for starters, "tax inappropriaty" >>> >>> then move to the next? >>> >>> ->>> >>> -Ms. Wind >>> >>> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> ->>> >> J.A. Myerson >>> >> <http://www.jamyerson.com>http://www.jamyerson.com >>> >> 347.688.0241 >>> >> >>> >> >>> > >>> > >>> > ->>> > -Ms. Wind >>> >>> >> > > > -> -Ms. Wind
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of L. W. Wind september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] can we try to come up with one demand? Wednesday, September 28, 2011 6:35:30 PM
I think making it exact (like getting an accountant in on it) would be good. Like, have that ideal as the banner and beneath a blow by blow manifesto "All people shall be taxed 10% from all sources except..." well heck i'm not an accountant i have no clue but then we can send it out and make it a demand. all the newspapers would run it if it sounded sane and logical. On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 6:31 PM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: Sorry to sound like a broken record, but if we're back to wanting one demand I still like Get corporate money out of politics or something like it. Many, many other problems would be fixed if we had a real democracy. On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 6:18 PM, Joshua van Praag <jvanpraag@me.com> wrote: +1 Joshua van Praag jvanpraag@me.com +1.347.445.8315 +44.(0)7787.896952 On Sep 28, 2011, at 6:23 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: I like the idea to demand that people occupy their cites until justice is served On Sep 28, 2011 6:14 PM, "L. W. Wind" <play.reality@gmail.com> wrote: > um my spell check does not work > > tax APPROPRIATELY sorry! > > On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 5:58 PM, J.A. Myerson <jesse.myerson@gmail.com>wrote: > >> What on earth does that mean? >> >> JAM >> >> >> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 5:57 PM, L. W. Wind
<play.reality@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> for starters, "tax inappropriaty" >>> then move to the next? >>> ->>> -Ms. Wind >>> >> >> >> >> ->> J.A. Myerson >> http://www.jamyerson.com >> 347.688.0241 >> >> > > > -> -Ms. Wind
--Ms. Wind
Totally there with you... anticorporatism is what has grabbed the attention of people acrossthe country, whom we need if the movement is to really change things, and I'm here to make sure things get changed On Sep 28, 2011 6:31 PM, "gail zawacki" <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: > Sorry to sound like a broken record, but if we're back to wanting one demand > I still like > > Get corporate money out of politics > > or something like it. Many, many other problems would be fixed if we had a > real democracy. > > On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 6:18 PM, Joshua van Praag <jvanpraag@me.com> wrote: > >> +1 >> >> Joshua van Praag >> jvanpraag@me.com >> >> +1.347.445.8315 >> +44.(0)7787.896952 >> >> On Sep 28, 2011, at 6:23 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I like the idea to demand that people occupy their cites until justice is >> served >> On Sep 28, 2011 6:14 PM, "L. W. Wind" < <play.reality@gmail.com> >> play.reality@gmail.com> wrote: >> > um my spell check does not work >> > >> > tax APPROPRIATELY sorry! >> > >> > On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 5:58 PM, J.A. Myerson <<jesse.myerson@gmail.com> >> jesse.myerson@gmail.com>wrote: >> > >> >> What on earth does that mean? >> >> >> >> JAM >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 5:57 PM, L. W. Wind < <play.reality@gmail.com> >> play.reality@gmail.com>wrote: >> >> >> >>> for starters, "tax inappropriaty"
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>>> then move to the next? >>> ->>> -Ms. Wind >>> >> >> >> >> ->> J.A. Myerson >> <http://www.jamyerson.com>http://www.jamyerson.com >> 347.688.0241 >> >> > > > -> -Ms. Wind
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of gail zawacki september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] can we try to come up with one demand? Wednesday, September 28, 2011 6:31:55 PM
Sorry to sound like a broken record, but if we're back to wanting one demand I still like Get corporate money out of politics or something like it. Many, many other problems would be fixed if we had a real democracy. On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 6:18 PM, Joshua van Praag <jvanpraag@me.com> wrote: +1 Joshua van Praag jvanpraag@me.com +1.347.445.8315 +44.(0)7787.896952 On Sep 28, 2011, at 6:23 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: I like the idea to demand that people occupy their cites until justice is served On Sep 28, 2011 6:14 PM, "L. W. Wind" <play.reality@gmail.com> wrote: > um my spell check does not work > > tax APPROPRIATELY sorry! > > On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 5:58 PM, J.A. Myerson <jesse.myerson@gmail.com>wrote: > >> What on earth does that mean? >> >> JAM >> >> >> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 5:57 PM, L. W. Wind <play.reality@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> for starters, "tax inappropriaty" >>> then move to the next? >>> ->>> -Ms. Wind >>> >> >> >>
>> ->> J.A. Myerson >> http://www.jamyerson.com >> 347.688.0241 >> >> > > > -> -Ms. Wind
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Joshua van Praag september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] can we try to come up with one demand? Wednesday, September 28, 2011 6:29:00 PM
+1 Joshua van Praag jvanpraag@me.com +1.347.445.8315 +44.(0)7787.896952 On Sep 28, 2011, at 6:23 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: I like the idea to demand that people occupy their cites until justice is served On Sep 28, 2011 6:14 PM, "L. W. Wind" <play.reality@gmail.com> wrote: > um my spell check does not work > > tax APPROPRIATELY sorry! > > On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 5:58 PM, J.A. Myerson <jesse.myerson@gmail.com>wrote: > >> What on earth does that mean? >> >> JAM >> >> >> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 5:57 PM, L. W. Wind <play.reality@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> for starters, "tax inappropriaty" >>> then move to the next? >>> ->>> -Ms. Wind >>> >> >> >> >> ->> J.A. Myerson >> http://www.jamyerson.com >> 347.688.0241 >> >> > > > -Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com
> -Ms. Wind
Well thats a fine Idea but only works if there are enough people. 100 is NOT enough. More need to feel inspired and get behind it. I keep getting asked what its about. we need a firm answer. OTHER then "we are the 99" (which is a good message, but if you repeat it to often you end up sounding like Borg. On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 6:23 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: I like the idea to demand that people occupy their cites until justice is served On Sep 28, 2011 6:14 PM, "L. W. Wind" <play.reality@gmail.com> wrote: > um my spell check does not work > > tax APPROPRIATELY sorry! > > On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 5:58 PM, J.A. Myerson <jesse.myerson@gmail.com>wrote: > >> What on earth does that mean? >> >> JAM >> >> >> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 5:57 PM, L. W. Wind <play.reality@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> for starters, "tax inappropriaty" >>> then move to the next? >>> ->>> -Ms. Wind >>> >> >> >> >> ->> J.A. Myerson >> http://www.jamyerson.com >> 347.688.0241 >> >> > > > -> -Ms. Wind
--Ms. Wind
I like the idea to demand that people occupy their cites until justice is served On Sep 28, 2011 6:14 PM, "L. W. Wind" <play.reality@gmail.com> wrote: > um my spell check does not work > > tax APPROPRIATELY sorry! > > On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 5:58 PM, J.A. Myerson <jesse.myerson@gmail.com>wrote: > >> What on earth does that mean? >> >> JAM >> >> >> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 5:57 PM, L. W. Wind <play.reality@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> for starters, "tax inappropriaty" >>> then move to the next? >>> ->>> -Ms. Wind >>> >> >> >> >> ->> J.A. Myerson >> http://www.jamyerson.com >> 347.688.0241 >> >> > > > -> -Ms. Wind
um my spell check does not work tax APPROPRIATELY sorry! On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 5:58 PM, J.A. Myerson <jesse.myerson@gmail.com> wrote: What on earth does that mean? JAM On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 5:57 PM, L. W. Wind <play.reality@gmail.com> wrote: for starters, "tax inappropriaty" then move to the next? --Ms. Wind
-J.A. Myerson http://www.jamyerson.com 347.688.0241
--Ms. Wind
I propose that we (or I) suggest "Human Needs Not Corporate Greed" as the one demand at the GA tomorrow. On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:30 PM, L. W. Wind <play.reality@gmail.com> wrote: We know that. we need to explain it in small words so the world understands in a catchy way so news can cover it and average people around the world understand how reasonable and just it is. because right now, they really dont. And lets not forget to end corporate welfare, but write it in more legal terms like "dont give free money to a big business because they have money" oh dear that though made me so upset... On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:25 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: We don't want to get rid of corporations-- just the privilege and control that they exert on gov't, yes? On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:24 PM, L. W. Wind <play.reality@gmail.com> wrote: But it does not work that way. How is that to be interpreted?? It might feel good to stand and shout "Out with corporations now!"..but it doesn't solve anything. Make it the top bold face type. but simple clear things need to follow. On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:19 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: One demand can work as it did in Egypt, Mubarak Out Make is broad so many many things can come underneath as the million of national conversations erupt, something like: end corporate control is broad and simple-- so for braod and simple and you can have the field open for a million possibilities of change. On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:16 PM, Snafu <snafu@thething.it> wrote: I disagree, the dictatorship of financial capital and corporate power over people's daily lives is a much more complex affair than ousting a dictator. There is no one demand that will solve this issue, because financial capital is entangled with people daily lives much more than we think. Workers' pension funds, state and federal budgets are now attached to the stock market. Further, in this country millions of people have their savings invested in equities. Even more, thanks to the end of the separation between commercial banking and investment banking, all our savings are invested on the stock market even when we don't choose to. If you think the money you see (or don't see) on your bank account are real, you are dreaming. They are all pumped in the stock market to keep the vampire
alive, and they could vanish overnight, as this trader, Alessio Rastani, candidly put it a couple of days ago on BBC News: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aC19fEqR5bA This is the reason why reintroducing Glass-Steagall would be a very important measure. I have posted several sensible demands to this list several times, but every day or so this conversation begins anew... Saying "We want a democracy, not a corporatocry" will not solve any of these issues. This is a delusional stance and even if the movement keeps growing, eventually it will have to face the question of what political demands to articulate, what are its priorities, what kind of alliances to make, etc. At the moment, there is no real political discussion going on and t this lack of ideas and debate will have a negative impact in the long run. Again, these are seven points I think we should begin with: - Stop gambling people's savings on Wall Street. Reinstate the 1933 GlassSteagall Act that separates investment banking from commercial banking. - Corporations are not and will never be people. End corporate personhood under the 14th Amendment. - Tax all financial transactions as we tax all salable goods through. Introduce a global tax on all financial transactions now. - Housing is a human right. Halt all foreclosures due to predatory lending and unpaid medical bills. - Pair the taxes on long-term capital gains to the income tax. Repeal the Tax Reconciliation Act now. - Ban all corporate funding to political candidates. Enable each taxpayer and citizen to donate the same amount of money to a candidate or party of his or her choice. - Radical reform of the electoral system. Enable new political formations to compete on an equal foot with the two major parties.
On 9/28/11 6:39 PM, grimwomyn wrote: The demand needs to be four words or less. Example: mubarak out On Sep 28, 2011 6:35 PM, "L. W. Wind" <play.reality@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think making it exact (like getting an accountant in on it) would be good. > Like, have that ideal as the banner and beneath a blow by blow > manifesto > "All people shall be taxed 10% from all sources except..." > well heck i'm not an accountant i have no clue but then we can send it out > and make it a demand. all the newspapers would run it if it sounded sane and > logical. > > On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 6:31 PM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Sorry to sound like a broken record, but if we're back to wanting one >> demand I still like >> >> Get corporate money out of politics >> >> or something like it. Many, many other problems would be fixed if we had a >> real democracy. >> >> >> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 6:18 PM, Joshua van Praag <jvanpraag@me.com>wrote: >> >>> +1 >>> >>> Joshua van Praag >>> jvanpraag@me.com >>> >>> +1.347.445.8315 >>> +44.(0)7787.896952 >>> >>> On Sep 28, 2011, at 6:23 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> I like the idea to demand that people occupy their cites until justice is >>> served >>> On Sep 28, 2011 6:14 PM, "L. W. Wind" < <play.reality@gmail.com> >>> play.reality@gmail.com> wrote: >>> > um my spell check does not work >>> > >>> > tax APPROPRIATELY sorry! >>> > >>> > On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 5:58 PM, J.A. Myerson <<jesse.myerson@gmail.com> >>> jesse.myerson@gmail.com>wrote:
>>> > >>> >> What on earth does that mean? >>> >> >>> >> JAM >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 5:57 PM, L. W. Wind < <play.reality@gmail.com> >>> play.reality@gmail.com>wrote: >>> >> >>> >>> for starters, "tax inappropriaty" >>> >>> then move to the next? >>> >>> ->>> >>> -Ms. Wind >>> >>> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> ->>> >> J.A. Myerson >>> >> <http://www.jamyerson.com>http://www.jamyerson.com >>> >> 347.688.0241 >>> >> >>> >> >>> > >>> > >>> > ->>> > -Ms. Wind >>> >>> >> > > > -> -Ms. Wind
--Ms. Wind
--Ms. Wind
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of J.A. Myerson september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] can we try to come up with one demand? Wednesday, September 28, 2011 5:59:00 PM
What on earth does that mean? JAM On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 5:57 PM, L. W. Wind <play.reality@gmail.com> wrote: for starters, "tax inappropriaty" then move to the next? --Ms. Wind
We know that. we need to explain it in small words so the world understands in a catchy way so news can cover it and average people around the world understand how reasonable and just it is. because right now, they really dont. And lets not forget to end corporate welfare, but write it in more legal terms like "dont give free money to a big business because they have money" oh dear that though made me so upset... On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:25 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: We don't want to get rid of corporations-- just the privilege and control that they exert on gov't, yes? On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:24 PM, L. W. Wind <play.reality@gmail.com> wrote: But it does not work that way. How is that to be interpreted?? It might feel good to stand and shout "Out with corporations now!"..but it doesn't solve anything. Make it the top bold face type. but simple clear things need to follow. On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:19 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: One demand can work as it did in Egypt, Mubarak Out Make is broad so many many things can come underneath as the million of national conversations erupt, something like: end corporate control is broad and simple-- so for braod and simple and you can have the field open for a million possibilities of change. On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:16 PM, Snafu <snafu@thething.it> wrote: I disagree, the dictatorship of financial capital and corporate power over people's daily lives is a much more complex affair than ousting a dictator. There is no one demand that will solve this issue, because financial capital is entangled with people daily lives much more than we think. Workers' pension funds, state and federal budgets are now attached to the stock market. Further, in this country millions of people have their savings invested in equities. Even more, thanks to the end of the separation between commercial banking and investment banking, all our savings are invested on the stock market even when we don't choose to. If you think the money you see (or don't see) on your bank account are real, you are dreaming. They are all pumped in the stock market to keep the vampire alive, and they could vanish overnight, as this trader, Alessio Rastani, candidly put it a couple of days ago on BBC News: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aC19fEqR5bA This is the reason why reintroducing Glass-Steagall would be a very
important measure. I have posted several sensible demands to this list several times, but every day or so this conversation begins anew... Saying "We want a democracy, not a corporatocry" will not solve any of these issues. This is a delusional stance and even if the movement keeps growing, eventually it will have to face the question of what political demands to articulate, what are its priorities, what kind of alliances to make, etc. At the moment, there is no real political discussion going on and t this lack of ideas and debate will have a negative impact in the long run. Again, these are seven points I think we should begin with: - Stop gambling people's savings on Wall Street. Reinstate the 1933 GlassSteagall Act that separates investment banking from commercial banking. - Corporations are not and will never be people. End corporate personhood under the 14th Amendment. - Tax all financial transactions as we tax all salable goods through. Introduce a global tax on all financial transactions now. - Housing is a human right. Halt all foreclosures due to predatory lending and unpaid medical bills. - Pair the taxes on long-term capital gains to the income tax. Repeal the Tax Reconciliation Act now. - Ban all corporate funding to political candidates. Enable each taxpayer and citizen to donate the same amount of money to a candidate or party of his or her choice. - Radical reform of the electoral system. Enable new political formations to compete on an equal foot with the two major parties.
On 9/28/11 6:39 PM, grimwomyn wrote: The demand needs to be four words or less. Example: mubarak out On Sep 28, 2011 6:35 PM, "L. W. Wind" <play.reality@gmail.com> wrote: > I think making it exact (like getting an accountant in on it) would be good. > Like, have that ideal as the banner and beneath a blow by blow > manifesto > "All people shall be taxed 10% from all sources except..." > well heck i'm not an accountant i have no clue but then we can
send it out > and make it a demand. all the newspapers would run it if it sounded sane and > logical. > > On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 6:31 PM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Sorry to sound like a broken record, but if we're back to wanting one >> demand I still like >> >> Get corporate money out of politics >> >> or something like it. Many, many other problems would be fixed if we had a >> real democracy. >> >> >> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 6:18 PM, Joshua van Praag <jvanpraag@me.com>wrote: >> >>> +1 >>> >>> Joshua van Praag >>> jvanpraag@me.com >>> >>> +1.347.445.8315 >>> +44.(0)7787.896952 >>> >>> On Sep 28, 2011, at 6:23 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> I like the idea to demand that people occupy their cites until justice is >>> served >>> On Sep 28, 2011 6:14 PM, "L. W. Wind" < <play.reality@gmail.com> >>> play.reality@gmail.com> wrote: >>> > um my spell check does not work >>> > >>> > tax APPROPRIATELY sorry! >>> > >>> > On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 5:58 PM, J.A. Myerson <<jesse.myerson@gmail.com> >>> jesse.myerson@gmail.com>wrote: >>> > >>> >> What on earth does that mean? >>> >> >>> >> JAM >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 5:57 PM, L. W. Wind <
<play.reality@gmail.com> >>> play.reality@gmail.com>wrote: >>> >> >>> >>> for starters, "tax inappropriaty" >>> >>> then move to the next? >>> >>> ->>> >>> -Ms. Wind >>> >>> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> ->>> >> J.A. Myerson >>> >> <http://www.jamyerson.com>http://www.jamyerson.com >>> >> 347.688.0241 >>> >> >>> >> >>> > >>> > >>> > ->>> > -Ms. Wind >>> >>> >> > > > -> -Ms. Wind
--Ms. Wind
--Ms. Wind
LOVE !!!!!! And it ties together into a larger movement! LOVE!!!!! YES!!!!!! together we are stronger!!!!!!! yes!!!!!!!!! On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:29 PM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: Is there some reason we don't just adopt the October2011 platform? Is there any substantive difference? Human Needs Not Corporate Greed - one extra word. On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:25 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: We don't want to get rid of corporations-- just the privilege and control that they exert on gov't, yes? On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:24 PM, L. W. Wind <play.reality@gmail.com> wrote: But it does not work that way. How is that to be interpreted?? It might feel good to stand and shout "Out with corporations now!"..but it doesn't solve anything. Make it the top bold face type. but simple clear things need to follow. On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:19 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: One demand can work as it did in Egypt, Mubarak Out Make is broad so many many things can come underneath as the million of national conversations erupt, something like: end corporate control is broad and simple-- so for braod and simple and you can have the field open for a million possibilities of change. On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:16 PM, Snafu <snafu@thething.it> wrote: I disagree, the dictatorship of financial capital and corporate power over people's daily lives is a much more complex affair than ousting a dictator. There is no one demand that will solve this issue, because financial capital is entangled with people daily lives much more than we think. Workers' pension funds, state and federal budgets are now attached to the stock market. Further, in this country millions of people have their savings invested in equities. Even more, thanks to the end of the separation between commercial banking and investment banking, all our savings are invested on the stock market even when we don't choose to. If you think the money you see (or don't see) on your bank account are real, you are dreaming. They are all pumped in the stock market to keep the vampire alive, and they could vanish overnight, as this trader, Alessio Rastani, candidly put it a couple of days ago on BBC News:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aC19fEqR5bA This is the reason why reintroducing Glass-Steagall would be a very important measure. I have posted several sensible demands to this list several times, but every day or so this conversation begins anew... Saying "We want a democracy, not a corporatocry" will not solve any of these issues. This is a delusional stance and even if the movement keeps growing, eventually it will have to face the question of what political demands to articulate, what are its priorities, what kind of alliances to make, etc. At the moment, there is no real political discussion going on and t this lack of ideas and debate will have a negative impact in the long run. Again, these are seven points I think we should begin with: - Stop gambling people's savings on Wall Street. Reinstate the 1933 GlassSteagall Act that separates investment banking from commercial banking. - Corporations are not and will never be people. End corporate personhood under the 14th Amendment. - Tax all financial transactions as we tax all salable goods through. Introduce a global tax on all financial transactions now. - Housing is a human right. Halt all foreclosures due to predatory lending and unpaid medical bills. - Pair the taxes on long-term capital gains to the income tax. Repeal the Tax Reconciliation Act now. - Ban all corporate funding to political candidates. Enable each taxpayer and citizen to donate the same amount of money to a candidate or party of his or her choice. - Radical reform of the electoral system. Enable new political formations to compete on an equal foot with the two major parties.
On 9/28/11 6:39 PM, grimwomyn wrote: The demand needs to be four words or less. Example: mubarak out On Sep 28, 2011 6:35 PM, "L. W. Wind" <play.reality@gmail.com> wrote: > I think making it exact (like getting an accountant in on it) would be good. > Like, have that ideal as the banner and beneath a blow by
blow > manifesto > "All people shall be taxed 10% from all sources except..." > well heck i'm not an accountant i have no clue but then we can send it out > and make it a demand. all the newspapers would run it if it sounded sane and > logical. > > On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 6:31 PM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Sorry to sound like a broken record, but if we're back to wanting one >> demand I still like >> >> Get corporate money out of politics >> >> or something like it. Many, many other problems would be fixed if we had a >> real democracy. >> >> >> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 6:18 PM, Joshua van Praag <jvanpraag@me.com>wrote: >> >>> +1 >>> >>> Joshua van Praag >>> jvanpraag@me.com >>> >>> +1.347.445.8315 >>> +44.(0)7787.896952 >>> >>> On Sep 28, 2011, at 6:23 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> I like the idea to demand that people occupy their cites until justice is >>> served >>> On Sep 28, 2011 6:14 PM, "L. W. Wind" < <play.reality@gmail.com> >>> play.reality@gmail.com> wrote: >>> > um my spell check does not work >>> > >>> > tax APPROPRIATELY sorry! >>> > >>> > On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 5:58 PM, J.A. Myerson <<jesse.myerson@gmail.com> >>> jesse.myerson@gmail.com>wrote: >>> > >>> >> What on earth does that mean? >>> >>
>>> >> JAM >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 5:57 PM, L. W. Wind < <play.reality@gmail.com> >>> play.reality@gmail.com>wrote: >>> >> >>> >>> for starters, "tax inappropriaty" >>> >>> then move to the next? >>> >>> ->>> >>> -Ms. Wind >>> >>> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> ->>> >> J.A. Myerson >>> >> <http://www.jamyerson.com>http://www.jamyerson.com >>> >> 347.688.0241 >>> >> >>> >> >>> > >>> > >>> > ->>> > -Ms. Wind >>> >>> >> > > > -> -Ms. Wind
--Ms. Wind
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of gail zawacki september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] can we try to come up with one demand? Wednesday, September 28, 2011 7:29:16 PM
Is there some reason we don't just adopt the October2011 platform? Is there any substantive difference? Human Needs Not Corporate Greed - one extra word. On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:25 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: We don't want to get rid of corporations-- just the privilege and control that they exert on gov't, yes? On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:24 PM, L. W. Wind <play.reality@gmail.com> wrote: But it does not work that way. How is that to be interpreted?? It might feel good to stand and shout "Out with corporations now!"..but it doesn't solve anything. Make it the top bold face type. but simple clear things need to follow. On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:19 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: One demand can work as it did in Egypt, Mubarak Out Make is broad so many many things can come underneath as the million of national conversations erupt, something like: end corporate control is broad and simple-- so for braod and simple and you can have the field open for a million possibilities of change. On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:16 PM, Snafu <snafu@thething.it> wrote: I disagree, the dictatorship of financial capital and corporate power over people's daily lives is a much more complex affair than ousting a dictator. There is no one demand that will solve this issue, because financial capital is entangled with people daily lives much more than we think. Workers' pension funds, state and federal budgets are now attached to the stock market. Further, in this country millions of people have their savings invested in equities. Even more, thanks to the end of the separation between commercial banking and investment banking, all our savings are invested on the stock market even when we don't choose to. If you think the money you see (or don't see) on your bank account are real, you are dreaming. They are all pumped in the stock market to keep the vampire alive, and they could vanish overnight, as this trader, Alessio Rastani, candidly put it a couple of days ago on BBC News: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aC19fEqR5bA This is the reason why reintroducing Glass-Steagall would be a very important measure. I have posted several sensible demands to this list several times, but every day or so this conversation begins anew... Saying "We want a democracy, not a corporatocry" will not solve any of these
issues. This is a delusional stance and even if the movement keeps growing, eventually it will have to face the question of what political demands to articulate, what are its priorities, what kind of alliances to make, etc. At the moment, there is no real political discussion going on and t this lack of ideas and debate will have a negative impact in the long run. Again, these are seven points I think we should begin with: - Stop gambling people's savings on Wall Street. Reinstate the 1933 GlassSteagall Act that separates investment banking from commercial banking. - Corporations are not and will never be people. End corporate personhood under the 14th Amendment. - Tax all financial transactions as we tax all salable goods through. Introduce a global tax on all financial transactions now. - Housing is a human right. Halt all foreclosures due to predatory lending and unpaid medical bills. - Pair the taxes on long-term capital gains to the income tax. Repeal the Tax Reconciliation Act now. - Ban all corporate funding to political candidates. Enable each taxpayer and citizen to donate the same amount of money to a candidate or party of his or her choice. - Radical reform of the electoral system. Enable new political formations to compete on an equal foot with the two major parties.
On 9/28/11 6:39 PM, grimwomyn wrote: The demand needs to be four words or less. Example: mubarak out On Sep 28, 2011 6:35 PM, "L. W. Wind" <play.reality@gmail.com> wrote: > I think making it exact (like getting an accountant in on it) would be good. > Like, have that ideal as the banner and beneath a blow by blow > manifesto > "All people shall be taxed 10% from all sources except..." > well heck i'm not an accountant i have no clue but then we can send it out > and make it a demand. all the newspapers would run it if it sounded sane and
> logical. > > On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 6:31 PM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Sorry to sound like a broken record, but if we're back to wanting one >> demand I still like >> >> Get corporate money out of politics >> >> or something like it. Many, many other problems would be fixed if we had a >> real democracy. >> >> >> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 6:18 PM, Joshua van Praag <jvanpraag@me.com>wrote: >> >>> +1 >>> >>> Joshua van Praag >>> jvanpraag@me.com >>> >>> +1.347.445.8315 >>> +44.(0)7787.896952 >>> >>> On Sep 28, 2011, at 6:23 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> I like the idea to demand that people occupy their cites until justice is >>> served >>> On Sep 28, 2011 6:14 PM, "L. W. Wind" < <play.reality@gmail.com> >>> play.reality@gmail.com> wrote: >>> > um my spell check does not work >>> > >>> > tax APPROPRIATELY sorry! >>> > >>> > On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 5:58 PM, J.A. Myerson <<jesse.myerson@gmail.com> >>> jesse.myerson@gmail.com>wrote: >>> > >>> >> What on earth does that mean? >>> >> >>> >> JAM >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 5:57 PM, L. W. Wind < <play.reality@gmail.com> >>> play.reality@gmail.com>wrote: >>> >>
>>> >>> for starters, "tax inappropriaty" >>> >>> then move to the next? >>> >>> ->>> >>> -Ms. Wind >>> >>> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> ->>> >> J.A. Myerson >>> >> <http://www.jamyerson.com>http://www.jamyerson.com >>> >> 347.688.0241 >>> >> >>> >> >>> > >>> > >>> > ->>> > -Ms. Wind >>> >>> >> > > > -> -Ms. Wind
--Ms. Wind
We don't want to get rid of corporations-- just the privilege and control that they exert on gov't, yes? On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:24 PM, L. W. Wind <play.reality@gmail.com> wrote: But it does not work that way. How is that to be interpreted?? It might feel good to stand and shout "Out with corporations now!"..but it doesn't solve anything. Make it the top bold face type. but simple clear things need to follow. On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:19 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: One demand can work as it did in Egypt, Mubarak Out Make is broad so many many things can come underneath as the million of national conversations erupt, something like: end corporate control is broad and simple-- so for braod and simple and you can have the field open for a million possibilities of change. On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:16 PM, Snafu <snafu@thething.it> wrote: I disagree, the dictatorship of financial capital and corporate power over people's daily lives is a much more complex affair than ousting a dictator. There is no one demand that will solve this issue, because financial capital is entangled with people daily lives much more than we think. Workers' pension funds, state and federal budgets are now attached to the stock market. Further, in this country millions of people have their savings invested in equities. Even more, thanks to the end of the separation between commercial banking and investment banking, all our savings are invested on the stock market even when we don't choose to. If you think the money you see (or don't see) on your bank account are real, you are dreaming. They are all pumped in the stock market to keep the vampire alive, and they could vanish overnight, as this trader, Alessio Rastani, candidly put it a couple of days ago on BBC News: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aC19fEqR5bA This is the reason why reintroducing Glass-Steagall would be a very important measure. I have posted several sensible demands to this list several times, but every day or so this conversation begins anew... Saying "We want a democracy, not a corporatocry" will not solve any of these issues. This is a delusional stance and even if the movement keeps growing, eventually it will have to face the question of what political demands to articulate, what are its priorities, what kind of alliances to make, etc. At the moment, there is no real political discussion going on and t this lack of ideas and debate will have a negative impact in the long run. Again, these are seven points I think we should begin with:
- Stop gambling people's savings on Wall Street. Reinstate the 1933 GlassSteagall Act that separates investment banking from commercial banking. - Corporations are not and will never be people. End corporate personhood under the 14th Amendment. - Tax all financial transactions as we tax all salable goods through. Introduce a global tax on all financial transactions now. - Housing is a human right. Halt all foreclosures due to predatory lending and unpaid medical bills. - Pair the taxes on long-term capital gains to the income tax. Repeal the Tax Reconciliation Act now. - Ban all corporate funding to political candidates. Enable each taxpayer and citizen to donate the same amount of money to a candidate or party of his or her choice. - Radical reform of the electoral system. Enable new political formations to compete on an equal foot with the two major parties.
On 9/28/11 6:39 PM, grimwomyn wrote: The demand needs to be four words or less. Example: mubarak out On Sep 28, 2011 6:35 PM, "L. W. Wind" <play.reality@gmail.com> wrote: > I think making it exact (like getting an accountant in on it) would be good. > Like, have that ideal as the banner and beneath a blow by blow > manifesto > "All people shall be taxed 10% from all sources except..." > well heck i'm not an accountant i have no clue but then we can send it out > and make it a demand. all the newspapers would run it if it sounded sane and > logical. > > On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 6:31 PM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Sorry to sound like a broken record, but if we're back to wanting one >> demand I still like
>> >> Get corporate money out of politics >> >> or something like it. Many, many other problems would be fixed if we had a >> real democracy. >> >> >> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 6:18 PM, Joshua van Praag <jvanpraag@me.com>wrote: >> >>> +1 >>> >>> Joshua van Praag >>> jvanpraag@me.com >>> >>> +1.347.445.8315 >>> +44.(0)7787.896952 >>> >>> On Sep 28, 2011, at 6:23 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> I like the idea to demand that people occupy their cites until justice is >>> served >>> On Sep 28, 2011 6:14 PM, "L. W. Wind" < <play.reality@gmail.com> >>> play.reality@gmail.com> wrote: >>> > um my spell check does not work >>> > >>> > tax APPROPRIATELY sorry! >>> > >>> > On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 5:58 PM, J.A. Myerson <<jesse.myerson@gmail.com> >>> jesse.myerson@gmail.com>wrote: >>> > >>> >> What on earth does that mean? >>> >> >>> >> JAM >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 5:57 PM, L. W. Wind < <play.reality@gmail.com> >>> play.reality@gmail.com>wrote: >>> >> >>> >>> for starters, "tax inappropriaty" >>> >>> then move to the next? >>> >>> ->>> >>> -Ms. Wind >>> >>> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >>
>>> >> ->>> >> J.A. Myerson >>> >> <http://www.jamyerson.com>http://www.jamyerson.com >>> >> 347.688.0241 >>> >> >>> >> >>> > >>> > >>> > ->>> > -Ms. Wind >>> >>> >> > > > -> -Ms. Wind
--Ms. Wind
But it does not work that way. How is that to be interpreted?? It might feel good to stand and shout "Out with corporations now!"..but it doesn't solve anything. Make it the top bold face type. but simple clear things need to follow. On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:19 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: One demand can work as it did in Egypt, Mubarak Out Make is broad so many many things can come underneath as the million of national conversations erupt, something like: end corporate control is broad and simple-- so for braod and simple and you can have the field open for a million possibilities of change. On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:16 PM, Snafu <snafu@thething.it> wrote: I disagree, the dictatorship of financial capital and corporate power over people's daily lives is a much more complex affair than ousting a dictator. There is no one demand that will solve this issue, because financial capital is entangled with people daily lives much more than we think. Workers' pension funds, state and federal budgets are now attached to the stock market. Further, in this country millions of people have their savings invested in equities. Even more, thanks to the end of the separation between commercial banking and investment banking, all our savings are invested on the stock market even when we don't choose to. If you think the money you see (or don't see) on your bank account are real, you are dreaming. They are all pumped in the stock market to keep the vampire alive, and they could vanish overnight, as this trader, Alessio Rastani, candidly put it a couple of days ago on BBC News: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aC19fEqR5bA This is the reason why reintroducing Glass-Steagall would be a very important measure. I have posted several sensible demands to this list several times, but every day or so this conversation begins anew... Saying "We want a democracy, not a corporatocry" will not solve any of these issues. This is a delusional stance and even if the movement keeps growing, eventually it will have to face the question of what political demands to articulate, what are its priorities, what kind of alliances to make, etc. At the moment, there is no real political discussion going on and t this lack of ideas and debate will have a negative impact in the long run. Again, these are seven points I think we should begin with: - Stop gambling people's savings on Wall Street. Reinstate the 1933 GlassSteagall Act that separates investment banking from commercial banking.
- Corporations are not and will never be people. End corporate personhood under the 14th Amendment. - Tax all financial transactions as we tax all salable goods through. Introduce a global tax on all financial transactions now. - Housing is a human right. Halt all foreclosures due to predatory lending and unpaid medical bills. - Pair the taxes on long-term capital gains to the income tax. Repeal the Tax Reconciliation Act now. - Ban all corporate funding to political candidates. Enable each taxpayer and citizen to donate the same amount of money to a candidate or party of his or her choice. - Radical reform of the electoral system. Enable new political formations to compete on an equal foot with the two major parties.
On 9/28/11 6:39 PM, grimwomyn wrote: The demand needs to be four words or less. Example: mubarak out On Sep 28, 2011 6:35 PM, "L. W. Wind" <play.reality@gmail.com> wrote: > I think making it exact (like getting an accountant in on it) would be good. > Like, have that ideal as the banner and beneath a blow by blow > manifesto > "All people shall be taxed 10% from all sources except..." > well heck i'm not an accountant i have no clue but then we can send it out > and make it a demand. all the newspapers would run it if it sounded sane and > logical. > > On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 6:31 PM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Sorry to sound like a broken record, but if we're back to wanting one >> demand I still like >> >> Get corporate money out of politics >> >> or something like it. Many, many other problems would be fixed if we had a
>> real democracy. >> >> >> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 6:18 PM, Joshua van Praag <jvanpraag@me.com>wrote: >> >>> +1 >>> >>> Joshua van Praag >>> jvanpraag@me.com >>> >>> +1.347.445.8315 >>> +44.(0)7787.896952 >>> >>> On Sep 28, 2011, at 6:23 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> I like the idea to demand that people occupy their cites until justice is >>> served >>> On Sep 28, 2011 6:14 PM, "L. W. Wind" < <play.reality@gmail.com> >>> play.reality@gmail.com> wrote: >>> > um my spell check does not work >>> > >>> > tax APPROPRIATELY sorry! >>> > >>> > On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 5:58 PM, J.A. Myerson <<jesse.myerson@gmail.com> >>> jesse.myerson@gmail.com>wrote: >>> > >>> >> What on earth does that mean? >>> >> >>> >> JAM >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 5:57 PM, L. W. Wind < <play.reality@gmail.com> >>> play.reality@gmail.com>wrote: >>> >> >>> >>> for starters, "tax inappropriaty" >>> >>> then move to the next? >>> >>> ->>> >>> -Ms. Wind >>> >>> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> ->>> >> J.A. Myerson >>> >> <http://www.jamyerson.com>http://www.jamyerson.com >>> >> 347.688.0241 >>> >>
>>> >> >>> > >>> > >>> > ->>> > -Ms. Wind >>> >>> >> > > > -> -Ms. Wind
--Ms. Wind
"- Stop gambling people's savings on Wall Street. Reinstate the 1933 Glass-Steagall Act that separates investment banking from commercial banking. - Corporations are not and will never be people. End corporate personhood under the 14th Amendment. - Tax all financial transactions as we tax all salable goods through. Introduce a global tax on all financial transactions now. - Housing is a human right. Halt all foreclosures due to predatory lending and unpaid medical bills. - Pair the taxes on long-term capital gains to the income tax. Repeal the Tax Reconciliation Act now. - Ban all corporate funding to political candidates. Enable each taxpayer and citizen to donate the same amount of money to a candidate or party of his or her choice. - Radical reform of the electoral system. Enable new political formations to compete on an equal foot with the two major parties. "
I could agree to all of these and agree we need demands, and we need them quick On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:16 PM, Snafu <snafu@thething.it> wrote: I disagree, the dictatorship of financial capital and corporate power over people's daily lives is a much more complex affair than ousting a dictator. There is no one demand that will solve this issue, because financial capital is entangled with people daily lives much more than we think. Workers' pension funds, state and federal budgets are now attached to the stock market. Further, in this country millions of people have their savings invested in equities. Even more, thanks to the end of the separation between commercial banking and investment banking, all our savings are invested on the stock market even when we don't choose to. If you think the money you see (or don't see) on your bank account are real, you are dreaming. They are all pumped in the stock market to keep the vampire alive, and they could vanish overnight, as this trader, Alessio Rastani, candidly put it a couple of days ago on BBC News: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aC19fEqR5bA This is the reason why reintroducing Glass-Steagall would be a very important measure. I have posted several sensible demands to this list several times, but every day or so this conversation begins anew... Saying "We want a democracy, not a corporatocry" will not solve any of these issues. This is a delusional stance and even if the movement keeps growing, eventually it will have to face the question of what political demands to articulate, what are its priorities, what kind of alliances to make, etc. At the moment, there is no real political discussion going on and t this lack of ideas and debate will have a negative impact in the long run. Again, these are seven points I think we should begin with:
- Stop gambling people's savings on Wall Street. Reinstate the 1933 Glass-Steagall Act that separates investment banking from commercial banking. - Corporations are not and will never be people. End corporate personhood under the 14th Amendment. - Tax all financial transactions as we tax all salable goods through. Introduce a global tax on all financial transactions now. - Housing is a human right. Halt all foreclosures due to predatory lending and unpaid medical bills. - Pair the taxes on long-term capital gains to the income tax. Repeal the Tax Reconciliation Act now. - Ban all corporate funding to political candidates. Enable each taxpayer and citizen to donate the same amount of money to a candidate or party of his or her choice. - Radical reform of the electoral system. Enable new political formations to compete on an equal foot with the two major parties.
On 9/28/11 6:39 PM, grimwomyn wrote: The demand needs to be four words or less. Example: mubarak out On Sep 28, 2011 6:35 PM, "L. W. Wind" <play.reality@gmail.com> wrote: > I think making it exact (like getting an accountant in on it) would be good. > Like, have that ideal as the banner and beneath a blow by blow > manifesto > "All people shall be taxed 10% from all sources except..." > well heck i'm not an accountant i have no clue but then we can send it out > and make it a demand. all the newspapers would run it if it sounded sane and > logical. > > On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 6:31 PM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Sorry to sound like a broken record, but if we're back to wanting one >> demand I still like >> >> Get corporate money out of politics
>> >> or something like it. Many, many other problems would be fixed if we had a >> real democracy. >> >> >> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 6:18 PM, Joshua van Praag <jvanpraag@me.com>wrote: >> >>> +1 >>> >>> Joshua van Praag >>> jvanpraag@me.com >>> >>> +1.347.445.8315 >>> +44.(0)7787.896952 >>> >>> On Sep 28, 2011, at 6:23 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> I like the idea to demand that people occupy their cites until justice is >>> served >>> On Sep 28, 2011 6:14 PM, "L. W. Wind" < <play.reality@gmail.com> >>> play.reality@gmail.com> wrote: >>> > um my spell check does not work >>> > >>> > tax APPROPRIATELY sorry! >>> > >>> > On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 5:58 PM, J.A. Myerson <<jesse.myerson@gmail.com> >>> jesse.myerson@gmail.com>wrote: >>> > >>> >> What on earth does that mean? >>> >> >>> >> JAM >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 5:57 PM, L. W. Wind < <play.reality@gmail.com> >>> play.reality@gmail.com>wrote: >>> >> >>> >>> for starters, "tax inappropriaty" >>> >>> then move to the next? >>> >>> ->>> >>> -Ms. Wind >>> >>> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> ->>> >> J.A. Myerson
>>> >> <http://www.jamyerson.com>http://www.jamyerson.com >>> >> 347.688.0241 >>> >> >>> >> >>> > >>> > >>> > ->>> > -Ms. Wind >>> >>> >> > > > -> -Ms. Wind
--Ms. Wind
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Sahar Vahidi september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] can we try to come up with one demand? Wednesday, September 28, 2011 7:22:19 PM
end corporate control +1
yes, and the list of the other demands will still make it into the conversation-- along with a lot more if we/the nation wants to include more items.... remember, this is bigger than all of us, and we have a responsibility to our fellow citizens to get this right-- and supporting the language of the October2011 movement would bring us all together..... and make us stronger. On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:33 PM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: Their pledge:
"I pledge that if any U.S. troops, contractors, or mercenaries remain in Afghanistan on Thursday, October 6, 2011, as that occupation goes into its 11th year, I will commit to being in Freedom Plaza in Washington, D.C., with others on that day or the days immediately following, for as long as I can, with the intention of making it our Tahrir Square, Cairo, our Madison, Wisconsin, where we will NONVIOLENTLY resist the corporate machine by occupying Freedom Plaza to demand that America's resources be invested in human needs and environmental protection instead of war and exploitation. We can do this together. We will be the beginning."
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:30 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: LOVE !!!!!! And it ties together into a larger movement! LOVE!!!!! YES!!!!!! together we are stronger!!!!!!! yes!!!!!!!!! On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:29 PM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: Is there some reason we don't just adopt the October2011 platform? Is there any substantive difference? Human Needs Not Corporate Greed - one extra word. On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:25 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: We don't want to get rid of corporations-- just the privilege and control that they exert on gov't, yes? On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:24 PM, L. W. Wind <play.reality@gmail.com> wrote: But it does not work that way. How is that to be interpreted?? It might feel good to stand and shout "Out with corporations now!"..but it doesn't solve anything. Make it the top bold face type. but simple clear things need to follow. On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:19 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com>
wrote: One demand can work as it did in Egypt, Mubarak Out Make is broad so many many things can come underneath as the million of national conversations erupt, something like: end corporate control is broad and simple-- so for braod and simple and you can have the field open for a million possibilities of change. On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:16 PM, Snafu <snafu@thething.it> wrote: I disagree, the dictatorship of financial capital and corporate power over people's daily lives is a much more complex affair than ousting a dictator. There is no one demand that will solve this issue, because financial capital is entangled with people daily lives much more than we think. Workers' pension funds, state and federal budgets are now attached to the stock market. Further, in this country millions of people have their savings invested in equities. Even more, thanks to the end of the separation between commercial banking and investment banking, all our savings are invested on the stock market even when we don't choose to. If you think the money you see (or don't see) on your bank account are real, you are dreaming. They are all pumped in the stock market to keep the vampire alive, and they could vanish overnight, as this trader, Alessio Rastani, candidly put it a couple of days ago on BBC News: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aC19fEqR5bA This is the reason why reintroducing Glass-Steagall would be a very important measure. I have posted several sensible demands to this list several times, but every day or so this conversation begins anew... Saying "We want a democracy, not a corporatocry" will not solve any of these issues. This is a delusional stance and even if the movement keeps growing, eventually it will have to face the question of what political demands to articulate, what are its priorities, what kind of alliances to make, etc. At the moment, there is no real political discussion going on and t this lack of ideas and debate will have a negative impact in the long run. Again, these are seven points I think we should begin with: - Stop gambling people's savings on Wall Street. Reinstate the 1933 Glass-Steagall Act that separates investment banking from commercial banking. - Corporations are not and will never be people. End corporate personhood under the 14th Amendment. - Tax all financial transactions as we tax all salable goods through. Introduce a global tax on all financial transactions now.
- Housing is a human right. Halt all foreclosures due to predatory lending and unpaid medical bills. - Pair the taxes on long-term capital gains to the income tax. Repeal the Tax Reconciliation Act now. - Ban all corporate funding to political candidates. Enable each taxpayer and citizen to donate the same amount of money to a candidate or party of his or her choice. - Radical reform of the electoral system. Enable new political formations to compete on an equal foot with the two major parties.
On 9/28/11 6:39 PM, grimwomyn wrote: The demand needs to be four words or less. Example: mubarak out On Sep 28, 2011 6:35 PM, "L. W. Wind" <play.reality@gmail.com> wrote: > I think making it exact (like getting an accountant in on it) would be good. > Like, have that ideal as the banner and beneath a blow by blow > manifesto > "All people shall be taxed 10% from all sources except..." > well heck i'm not an accountant i have no clue but then we can send it out > and make it a demand. all the newspapers would run it if it sounded sane and > logical. > > On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 6:31 PM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Sorry to sound like a broken record, but if we're back to wanting one >> demand I still like >> >> Get corporate money out of politics >> >> or something like it. Many, many other problems would be fixed if we had a >> real democracy. >> >> >> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 6:18 PM, Joshua van Praag <jvanpraag@me.com>wrote: >>
>>> +1 >>> >>> Joshua van Praag >>> jvanpraag@me.com >>> >>> +1.347.445.8315 >>> +44.(0)7787.896952 >>> >>> On Sep 28, 2011, at 6:23 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> I like the idea to demand that people occupy their cites until justice is >>> served >>> On Sep 28, 2011 6:14 PM, "L. W. Wind" < <play.reality@gmail.com> >>> play.reality@gmail.com> wrote: >>> > um my spell check does not work >>> > >>> > tax APPROPRIATELY sorry! >>> > >>> > On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 5:58 PM, J.A. Myerson <<jesse.myerson@gmail.com> >>> jesse.myerson@gmail.com>wrote: >>> > >>> >> What on earth does that mean? >>> >> >>> >> JAM >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 5:57 PM, L. W. Wind < <play.reality@gmail.com> >>> play.reality@gmail.com>wrote: >>> >> >>> >>> for starters, "tax inappropriaty" >>> >>> then move to the next? >>> >>> ->>> >>> -Ms. Wind >>> >>> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> ->>> >> J.A. Myerson >>> >> <http://www.jamyerson.com>http://www.jamyerson.com >>> >> 347.688.0241 >>> >> >>> >> >>> > >>> > >>> > ->>> > -Ms. Wind
>>> >>> >> > > > -> -Ms. Wind
--Ms. Wind
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] CB1 meeting tonight Tuesday, September 27, 2011 1:35:00 PM
Ok I'm in, ill go to this. On Sep 27, 2011 1:21 PM, "J Wedes" <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: > Hey all, > > The community relations committee, which i head, is sending a contingent to > tonight's community board meeting. > > *September 27* > > *CB 1 Monthly Meeting 6:00 PM > *Location: Southbridge Towers > 90 Beekman Street, Community Room > > > if you're interested in joining this friendly group to address local > residents' concerns and explain our encampment, meet at the media center at > 5:30pm. > > -justin
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jackie DiSalvo september17@googlegroups.com RE: [september17discuss] confirmed, Richard Wolff at Occupy Wall Street, date and time TBD Monday, September 26, 2011 4:25:39 AM
See also proposal of New Yorkers Against Budget Cuts for daily speak-outs at 6 PM, which is also one kind of thing the Labor. I understand that's not the same as a Free University. We can do both. -----Original Message----From: Jackie DiSalvo [mailto:jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com] The Labor Working Group has been thinking about bringing speakers, we can work with you (especially since you're in the group). -----Original Message----From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of NicolasMoselleAllen Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 2:31 PM To: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: [september17discuss] confirmed, Richard Wolff at Occupy Wall Street, date and time TBD hey gang! The good people of the Brecht Forum have informed me that Marxist economist Richard Wolff has confirmed that he will come to speak at Liberty Plaza, although at the moment he can't confirm date or time. With this good news and a little bit of time for planning, can we start to organize for a Free School weekend teach-in? I'm ashamed to say that I haven't been at the Park as much I would like so I don't know how the following weeks will be scheduled. In a previous message we had discussed using the 6pm Open Forum has a platform for lectures. Is someone else interested in helping me organize a Free School? I know many people, like Jackie, have more organizing experience than I do, not to mention more connections with academics and intellectuals. Ok! Thanks! Nico
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Justin Wedes september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] confirmed, Richard Wolff at Occupy Wall Street, date and time TBD Monday, September 26, 2011 4:46:50 AM
This would be great! We are working on a sound permit. -justin On Sep 26, 2011, at 4:25 AM, Jackie DiSalvo wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See also proposal of New Yorkers Against Budget Cuts for daily speak-outs at 6 PM, which is also one kind of thing the Labor. I understand that's not the same as a Free University. We can do both. -----Original Message----From: Jackie DiSalvo [mailto:jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com] The Labor Working Group has been thinking about bringing speakers, we can work with you (especially since you're in the group). -----Original Message----From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of NicolasMoselleAllen Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 2:31 PM To: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: [september17discuss] confirmed, Richard Wolff at Occupy Wall Street, date and time TBD hey gang! The good people of the Brecht Forum have informed me that Marxist economist Richard Wolff has confirmed that he will come to speak at Liberty Plaza, although at the moment he can't confirm date or time. With this good news and a little bit of time for planning, can we start to organize for a Free School weekend teach-in? I'm ashamed to say that I haven't been at the Park as much I would like so I don't know how the following weeks will be scheduled. In a previous message we had discussed using the 6pm Open Forum has a platform for lectures. Is someone else interested in helping me organize a Free School? I know many people, like Jackie, have more organizing experience than I do, not to mention more connections with academics and intellectuals. Ok! Thanks! Nico
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jackie DiSalvo september17@googlegroups.com RE: [september17discuss] confirmed, Richard Wolff at Occupy Wall Street, date and time TBD Monday, September 26, 2011 4:15:08 AM
The Labor Working Group has been thinking about bringing speakers, we can work with you (especially since you're in the group). -----Original Message----From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of NicolasMoselleAllen Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 2:31 PM To: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: [september17discuss] confirmed, Richard Wolff at Occupy Wall Street, date and time TBD hey gang! The good people of the Brecht Forum have informed me that Marxist economist Richard Wolff has confirmed that he will come to speak at Liberty Plaza, although at the moment he can't confirm date or time. With this good news and a little bit of time for planning, can we start to organize for a Free School weekend teach-in? I'm ashamed to say that I haven't been at the Park as much I would like so I don't know how the following weeks will be scheduled. In a previous message we had discussed using the 6pm Open Forum has a platform for lectures. Is someone else interested in helping me organize a Free School? I know many people, like Jackie, have more organizing experience than I do, not to mention more connections with academics and intellectuals. Ok! Thanks! Nico
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of J.A. Myerson september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] confusion about demand Tuesday, September 27, 2011 11:25:51 AM
I just pitched an article to In These Times in defense of demandlessness.

In May of '68, students (assisted later by workers) captured and held the city of Paris for a while, occupying the Sorbonne, renaming the Latin Quarter the Heroic Vietnam Quarter and erecting barricades against government backlash. Nowhere was a common manifesto decided or published (then, too, the protesters relied on General Assemblies to organize the participants politically), but that is not the reason for the eventual failure of les soixante huitards. Does anyone think that, had the students only prepared a 5 point program, de Gaulle's tanks would have shown them mercy? Nonsense. The fact that there is no manifesto allows that a right-winger could show up at a general assemble, get on a stack, and rail about the desirable effects of abolishing the IRS or the Dept. of Education or whatever, because the real doctrinaire aspect of the protest is in its very perpetuation: the protest itself, as a place where people live and eat and occupy their time, serves as a model of a society so democratic that it is completely liberated from the constraints of capital. Anyone should be able to deduce a demand from that.
JAM On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 11:22 AM, Justine <justine@occupywallst.org> wrote: :sigh: I just added another notice to the top (in addition to the on the bottom) that this is not an official list of demands. I'm honestly starting to think that there's a coordinated media effort to discredit us on the demand nonsense. On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 11:09 AM, Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com> wrote: FYI, seems there is a lot of media confusion about the demands. Many media are pointing to this article as the official list of demands: https://occupywallst.org/article/a-message-from-occupied-wall-street-day-five/ and https://wilderside.wordpress.com/2011/09/22/occupy-wall-street-finally-releasestheir-one-demand/ For example, see this Guardian piece: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/sep/27/occupy-wallstreet-anonymous
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Justine september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] confusion about demand Tuesday, September 27, 2011 11:24:09 AM
I demand the one demand be what we've been talking about recently where we basically ask the 99% to organize. On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 11:19 AM, Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com> wrote: We're working as fast as we can. I'm trying to get consensus on letting the media know we are going to have a statement on Friday. I hope the GA can agree exactly what kind of statement(s) this is going to be (a slogan, a list of demands, a manifesto, etc.) at tonight's meeting. Jon
On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 11:09 AM, Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com> wrote: FYI, seems there is a lot of media confusion about the demands. Many media are pointing to this article as the official list of demands: https://occupywallst.org/article/a-message-from-occupied-wall-street-day-five/ and https://wilderside.wordpress.com/2011/09/22/occupy-wall-street-finally-releasestheir-one-demand/ For example, see this Guardian piece: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/sep/27/occupy-wallstreet-anonymous
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Justine september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] confusion about demand Tuesday, September 27, 2011 11:22:39 AM
:sigh: I just added another notice to the top (in addition to the on the bottom) that this is not an official list of demands. I'm honestly starting to think that there's a coordinated media effort to discredit us on the demand nonsense. On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 11:09 AM, Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com> wrote: FYI, seems there is a lot of media confusion about the demands. Many media are pointing to this article as the official list of demands: https://occupywallst.org/article/a-message-from-occupied-wall-street-day-five/ and https://wilderside.wordpress.com/2011/09/22/occupy-wall-street-finally-releasestheir-one-demand/ For example, see this Guardian piece: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/sep/27/occupy-wallstreet-anonymous
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jon Good september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] confusion about demand Tuesday, September 27, 2011 11:19:33 AM
We're working as fast as we can. I'm trying to get consensus on letting the media know we are going to have a statement on Friday. I hope the GA can agree exactly what kind of statement(s) this is going to be (a slogan, a list of demands, a manifesto, etc.) at tonight's meeting. Jon
On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 11:09 AM, Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com> wrote: FYI, seems there is a lot of media confusion about the demands. Many media are pointing to this article as the official list of demands: https://occupywallst.org/article/a-message-from-occupied-wall-street-day-five/ and https://wilderside.wordpress.com/2011/09/22/occupy-wall-street-finally-releasestheir-one-demand/ For example, see this Guardian piece: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/sep/27/occupy-wallstreet-anonymous
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Micah White september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] confusion about demand Tuesday, September 27, 2011 11:36:23 AM
Yes, but we should be clear as to our ultimate objective. Are we trying to pull of a May '68 style revolt that is spectacular, inspiring but ephemeral? Or, are we trying to propose a new form of democracy based on people's assemblies that topples the existing corporate-state power structures? Last night, I was thinking how beautiful it would be if the city councils of every town were replaced with people's assemblies. If all questions about local governance were decided using the techniques of group decision making that is being worked out in the GA. For that to happen, then we need to adapt our model such that we can both put forward a vision and lay out the steps to get there. Can a people's assembly be a model for running a society? Let's prove that it can be. Maybe it helps to think that there can be two kinds of demands: a) long-term visions for society (equality for all, end the wars, end of capitalism) and b) short-term immediate demands that are small steps towards the long-term vision. The left is generally very good at the long-term visions, but lately we've been not so good at the latter. Let's learn together how to do both. Micah On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 8:25 AM, J.A. Myerson <jesse.myerson@gmail.com> wrote: I just pitched an article to In These Times in defense of demandlessness.
In May of '68, students (assisted later by workers) captured and held the city of Paris for a while, occupying the Sorbonne, renaming the Latin Quarter the Heroic Vietnam Quarter and erecting barricades against government backlash. Nowhere was a common manifesto decided or published (then, too, the protesters relied on General Assemblies to organize the participants politically), but that is not the reason for the eventual failure of les soixante huitards. Does anyone think that, had the students only prepared a 5 point program, de Gaulle's tanks would have shown them mercy? Nonsense. The fact that there is no manifesto allows that a right-winger could show up at a general assemble, get on a stack, and rail about the desirable effects of abolishing the IRS or the Dept. of Education or whatever, because the real doctrinaire aspect of the protest is in its very perpetuation: the protest itself, as a place where people live and eat and occupy their time, serves as a model of a society so democratic that it is completely liberated from the constraints of capital. Anyone should be able to deduce a demand from that.
JAM On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 11:22 AM, Justine <justine@occupywallst.org> wrote: :sigh: I just added another notice to the top (in addition to the on the bottom) that this is not an official list of demands. I'm honestly starting to think that
there's a coordinated media effort to discredit us on the demand nonsense. On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 11:09 AM, Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com> wrote: FYI, seems there is a lot of media confusion about the demands. Many media are pointing to this article as the official list of demands: https://occupywallst.org/article/a-message-from-occupied-wall-street-day-five/ and https://wilderside.wordpress.com/2011/09/22/occupy-wall-street-finallyreleases-their-one-demand/ For example, see this Guardian piece: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/sep/27/occupywall-street-anonymous
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Ryan David Acuff september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] CRASH Press conf. for NYPD Commish Ray Kelly: tmw Tues 9/27 Tuesday, September 27, 2011 11:00:17 AM
The NYPD have predictably made themselves a secondary target or "enemy" if you prefer. They protect Wall Street and their interests, not us. And as Conor eluded to, they protect a white supremacist, sexist, homophobic, classist system everyday in the financial district and in the hood. In Egypt the primary target was Mubarak, but the security forces quickly made themselves a secondary target. Tahrir was taken over by having the security forces flee Cairo in humiliation for their brutality. Ryan On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 10:51 AM, J Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: lets also not expend 2 much energy winning over or even dissing the cops. they are not our enemy. -j On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 9:48 AM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: People, the cops are never going to "switch sides" and join us. It's an extremely ahistorical idea to think that this is even a remote possibility. The cops have always been used to attack protesters - remember Selma? the Chicago Haymarket? Seattle? - and they have NEVER switched sides. It's their job to keep "order," which means containing, dispersing and attacking anything that challenges the status quo. Refusing to do so means losing their job. We can debate whether conflicts with the cops are good PR for us or not, but the idea that they can be convinced to be "on our side" is ludicrous. Have you already forgotten what happened at the Troy Davis rally (before it got to Zucotti) and Union Square??? Doug On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 11:46 AM, Gary Roland <opesr.nyc@gmail.com> wrote: After telling their stories they should be expressing the fact that they forgive the police and hope they will be joining us. The chant "cops are workers too, we are fighting for you too" comes to mind. Ivan from Otpor said we need a contradiction event to express to the men in blue that they are supporting the wrong side, and show that the people giving the orders are not their friends. A forgiveness action showing that we are on their side might help. ~GARY On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 1:33 PM, Marisa Holmes <marisaholmes@gmail.com> wrote: We should get Anna and others who were brutalized by the police
to show their wounds and tell their stories. Marisa On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 8:20 PM, Gary Roland <opesr.nyc@gmail.com> wrote: > I like the idea of making this a show of support for the police officers to > start acting responsibly and non-violently. This could be our contradiction > event, showing that we are not against the police, only against when they > prop up the financiers will. > > However this goes against the statement issued that Commissioner Kelly > should resign. Disrupting the police press conference would obviously > escalate the situation, but a show of support to them "following the law" > and respecting citizens would be a de-escalation with the police, and may be > good for the longevity of the movement. > ~GARY > > On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 1:11 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> We can do both-- we should all be in suits, bringing flowers to thank >> them. >> >> >> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:47 PM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> revolution! not resolution! >>> >>> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:47 PM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Isn't it worth considering going in not with recrimination but rather >>>> with quiet dignity, accepting their acknowledgment that they went overboard, >>>> and pledging to work with them to keep this a peaceful resolution, >>>> emphasizing that working middle class people like police and fire fighters >>>> are part of the 99%. >>>> It will put them in the position of being supportive of the occupation. >>>> >>>> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 10:44 AM, Amin Husain <amin.husain@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Conor, Great idea! >>>>> >>>>> 2011/9/26 Conor Toms Reed <conortomasreed@gmail.com> >>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey, folks. It looks like the NYPD's trying to do a quick PR cleanup. >>>>>> Should we bring some folks from Liberty Plaza to chant "SHAME" for the >>>>>> NYPD's recent brutalities on Thursday night for the Troy Davis and Saturday >>>>>> for the Occupy Wall Street march? The celebratory language of the press >>>>>> release is strange, given that one of the speakers, Jumaane Williams, was >>>>>> illegally arrested at the West Indian Day parade (walking while Black). >>>>>> >>>>>> what do y'all think? >>>>>> -Conor >>>>>> >>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------->>>>>> From: todd eaton <toddeaton@optonline.net> >>>>>> Date: Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 10:08 AM >>>>>> Subject: Press conf. for NYPD Commish Ray Kelly: tmw Tues 9/27 >>>>>> To: cuny-students-unite@googlegroups.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Press conference to applaud NYC's & NYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly's >>>>>> announced intention that his forces may begin to comply with rule of >>>>>> law...following City for a decade and counting having centered its public >>>>>> safety efforts around making many tens of thousands of plainly illegal race >>>>>> arrests, in a coordinated campaign that was apparently specifically designed >>>>>> to compel Black and Latino youth to move away. >>>>>> >>>>>> Call for the passage of New York bill A.7620 (Jeffries)/S.5187 >>>>>> (Grisanti) and City Council Resolution 0986-2011 (Mark-Viverito) >>>>>> Tuesday, September 27 at 1:30pm at 1 Police Plaza >>>>>> >>>>>> TRANSIT: #4,5,6 train to Brooklyn Bridge/City Hall, J train to >>>>>> Chambers street; R, but never N, to City Hall (Broadway & Warren); A, C to >>>>>> Chambers (at Church St.); #1, 2, 3 to Chambers (at W. Broadway); E to WTC; >>>>>> Police Plz is just east of the 1 Centre St. Municipal Bldg., equivalent of >>>>>> Chambers St.; MAP: <http://ow.ly/5or1N > >>>>>> >>>>>> ["I'll believe it when it's in my hot little hand." - Anon.] >>>>>> = = = >>>>>> >>>>>> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 09:44:17 -0400 >>>>>> From: "Jeremy Saunders, VOCAL-NY" <jeremy@vocal-ny.org>
>>>>>> Subject: [Rttc-nyc] Big Victory for NYPD Accountability! >>>>>> >>>>>> In response to mounting pressure, NYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly told >>>>>> police officers last week to follow the law and stop making costly and >>>>>> racially biased marijuana arrests, now the number one arrest in New York >>>>>> City. This could translate into tens of thousands of fewer arrests among >>>>>> Black and Latino youth each year. >>>>>> >>>>>> VOCAL-NY led the grassroots effort to end these arrests in >>>>>> collaboration with our allies at the Drug Policy Alliance (DPA) and the >>>>>> Institute for Juvenile Justice Reform and Alternatives (IJJRA). >>>>>> >>>>>> Although marijuana use is higher among whites, 86% of those arrested >>>>>> for marijuana possession last year were Black and Latino youth. The NYPD's >>>>>> aggressive use of stop-and-frisks in communities of color, along with >>>>>> unconstitutional searches that often follow, have largely driven these >>>>>> arrests. Being arrested can mean more than a night in jail too. It can make >>>>>> it difficult for people to find housing, get a job, take care of their >>>>>> family and apply for tuition assistance. >>>>>> >>>>>> Please join us this Tuesday, September 27 at 1:30pm >>>>>> to celebrate this important victory and call for effective >>>>>> implementation. >>>>>> >>>>>> What: Press conference applauding NYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly's policy >>>>>> shift to enforce existing marijuana possession laws and to call for the >>>>>> passage of New York bill A.7620 (Jeffries)/S.5187 (Grisanti) and City >>>>>> Council Resolution 0986-2011 (Mark-Viverito) >>>>>> >>>>>> When: Tuesday, September 27 at 1:30pm >>>>>> >>>>>> Where: 1 Police Plaza; 4,5,6 train to Brooklyn Bridge/City Hall, J >>>>>> train to Chambers street; [or R, but never N, to City Hall (Broadway & >>>>>> Warren); A, C to Chambers (at Church St.); #1, 2, 3 to Chambers (at W. >>>>>> Broadway); E to WTC; Police Plz is just east of the 1 Centre St. Municipal >>>>>> Bldg., equivalent of Chambers St.; map: <http://ow.ly/5or1N > t.]
>>>>>> >>>>>> Who: Drug Policy Alliance, IJJRA, VOCAL-NY, New York Assembly Member >>>>>> Hakeem Jeffries, NYC Council Members Melissa Mark-Viverito and Jumaane D. >>>>>> Williams, advocates, and others >>>>>> >>>>>> BACKGROUND: >>>>>> On Monday, September 19th, responding to mounting public pressure from >>>>>> advocates and elected officials, NYPD police commissioner Ray Kelly issued >>>>>> an operations order that clarified existing marijuana possession laws, >>>>>> instructing officers not to arrest people for marijuana in public view when >>>>>> complying with an officer's demand to "empty their pockets". This change >>>>>> could lead to the reduction of tens of thousands of arrests in New York >>>>>> City. >>>>>> >>>>>> Nearly all of these arrests have been made in defiance of the law. >>>>>> Marijuana has been decriminalized since 1977, making possession of 25 grams >>>>>> or less of marijuana a violation, punishable by a $100 fine, not arrest and >>>>>> jail. However, possessing or burning marijuana in public view is a criminal >>>>>> offense punishable by arrest and jail. >>>>>> >>>>>> Since 1996, the NYPD has made over 535,000 arrests for possession of >>>>>> small amounts of marijuana. In 2010 alone, 50,383 people were arrested for >>>>>> simple marijuana possession, comprising nearly 15% of all arrests and making >>>>>> it the number one arrest in the city. Most of these arrests were not for >>>>>> smoking in public, but were the result of complying with an officer's demand >>>>>> to disclose contraband or from a police search and being improperly charged >>>>>> for "marijuana in public view" instead of the non-criminal violation >>>>>> offense. >>>>>> >>>>>> Join the VOCAL-NY, Drug Policy Alliance and IJJRA, together with >>>>>> elected officials, to applaud the Police Commissioner for his policy change, >>>>>> and to urge cooperation to ensure that officers follow this directive. This >>>>>> operations order can be made permanent, and apply to all of New York state,
>>>>>> by passing New York bill A.7620 (Jeffries)/S.5187 (Grisanti). The NYC City >>>>>> Council has introduced a resolution (0986-2011/Mark-Viverito) >>>>>> supporting the passage of this legislation. >>>>>> ->>>>>> >>>>>> Please note: VOCAL New York was formerly the NYC AIDS Housing Network >>>>>> (NYCAHN) >>>>>> ***Please update your address books with our new emails*** >>>>>> >>>>>> Jeremy Saunders >>>>>> VOCAL New York 917-676-8041 (cell) >>>>>> jeremy@vocal-ny.org >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>  >>>>>>  >>>>>> >>>>>> website: www.VOCAL-NY.org >>>>>> facebook: www.facebook.com/vocalny >>>>>> twitter: http://twitter.com/vocalnewyork >>>>>> donate online: http://tinyurl.com/nycahndonate >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> < https://lists.mayfirst.org/mailman/listinfo/rttc-nyc>, >>>>>> < mailto:rttc-nyc-request@lists.mayfirst.org?subject=subscribe> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> = = = >>>>>> Check NY Activist Calendar frequently: http://nycal.mayfirst.org >>>>>> >>>>>> ->>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "CUNY Students Unite!" group. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>> cuny-students-unite@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>> cuny-students-unite+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/cuny-students-unite?hl=en. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> > >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] CRASH Press conf. for NYPD Commish Ray Kelly: tmw Tues 9/27 Tuesday, September 27, 2011 10:56:47 AM
Agreed On Sep 27, 2011 10:51 AM, "J Wedes" <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: > lets also not expend 2 much energy winning over or even dissing the cops. > they are not our enemy. > > -j > > On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 9:48 AM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: > >> People, the cops are never going to "switch sides" and join us. It's an >> extremely ahistorical idea to think that this is even a remote possibility. >> The cops have *always* been used to attack protesters - remember Selma? >> the Chicago Haymarket? Seattle? - and they have *NEVER* switched sides. >> It's their job to keep "order," which means containing, dispersing and >> attacking anything that challenges the status quo. Refusing to do so means >> losing their job. We can debate whether conflicts with the cops are good PR >> for us or not, but the idea that they can be convinced to be "on our side" >> is ludicrous. Have you already forgotten what happened at the Troy Davis >> rally (before it got to Zucotti) and Union Square??? >> >> Doug >> >> >> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 11:46 AM, Gary Roland <opesr.nyc@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> After telling their stories they should be expressing the fact that they >>> forgive the police and hope they will be joining us. The chant "cops are >>> workers too, we are fighting for you too" comes to mind. Ivan from Otpor >>> said we need a contradiction event to express to the men in blue that they >>> are supporting the wrong side, and show that the people giving the orders >>> are not their friends. A forgiveness action showing that we are on their >>> side might help. >>> >>> ~GARY >>> >>> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 1:33 PM, Marisa Holmes <marisaholmes@gmail.com>wrote: >>> >>>> We should get Anna and others who were brutalized by the police >>>> to show their wounds and tell their stories. >>>> >>>> Marisa >>>> >>>> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 8:20 PM, Gary Roland <opesr.nyc@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote: >>>> > I like the idea of making this a show of support for the police >>>> officers to >>>> > start acting responsibly and non-violently. This could be our >>>> contradiction >>>> > event, showing that we are not against the police, only against when >>>> they >>>> > prop up the financiers will. >>>> > >>>> > However this goes against the statement issued that Commissioner Kelly >>>> > should resign. Disrupting the police press conference would obviously >>>> > escalate the situation, but a show of support to them "following the >>>> law" >>>> > and respecting citizens would be a de-escalation with the police, and >>>> may be >>>> > good for the longevity of the movement. >>>> > ~GARY >>>> > >>>> > On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 1:11 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >> We can do both-- we should all be in suits, bringing flowers to thank >>>> >> them. >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:47 PM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> >>>> >> wrote: >>>> >>> >>>> >>> revolution! not resolution! >>>> >>> >>>> >>> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:47 PM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> >>>> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Isn't it worth considering going in not with recrimination but >>>> rather >>>> >>>> with quiet dignity, accepting their acknowledgment that they went >>>> overboard, >>>> >>>> and pledging to work with them to keep this a peaceful resolution, >>>> >>>> emphasizing that working middle class people like police and fire >>>> fighters >>>> >>>> are part of the 99%. >>>> >>>> It will put them in the position of being supportive of the >>>> occupation. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 10:44 AM, Amin Husain < >>>> amin.husain@gmail.com> >>>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> Conor, Great idea! >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> 2011/9/26 Conor Toms Reed <conortomasreed@gmail.com>
>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> Hey, folks. It looks like the NYPD's trying to do a quick PR >>>> clean-up. >>>> >>>>>> Should we bring some folks from Liberty Plaza to chant "SHAME" for >>>> the >>>> >>>>>> NYPD's recent brutalities on Thursday night for the Troy Davis and >>>> Saturday >>>> >>>>>> for the Occupy Wall Street march? The celebratory language of the >>>> press >>>> >>>>>> release is strange, given that one of the speakers, Jumaane >>>> Williams, was >>>> >>>>>> illegally arrested at the West Indian Day parade (walking while >>>> Black). >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> what do y'all think? >>>> >>>>>> -Conor >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------->>>> >>>>>> From: todd eaton <toddeaton@optonline.net> >>>> >>>>>> Date: Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 10:08 AM >>>> >>>>>> Subject: Press conf. for NYPD Commish Ray Kelly: tmw Tues 9/27 >>>> >>>>>> To: cuny-students-unite@googlegroups.com >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> Press conference to applaud NYC's & NYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly's >>>> >>>>>> announced intention that his forces may begin to comply with rule >>>> of >>>> >>>>>> law...following City for a decade and counting having centered its >>>> public >>>> >>>>>> safety efforts around making many tens of thousands of plainly >>>> illegal race >>>> >>>>>> arrests, in a coordinated campaign that was apparently >>>> specifically designed >>>> >>>>>> to compel Black and Latino youth to move away. >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> Call for the passage of New York bill A.7620 (Jeffries)/S.5187 >>>> >>>>>> (Grisanti) and City Council Resolution 0986-2011 (Mark-Viverito) >>>> >>>>>> Tuesday, September 27 at 1:30pm at 1 Police Plaza >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> TRANSIT: #4,5,6 train to Brooklyn Bridge/City Hall, J train to >>>> >>>>>> Chambers street; R, but never N, to City Hall (Broadway & Warren); >>>> A, C to >>>> >>>>>> Chambers (at Church St.); #1, 2, 3 to Chambers (at W. Broadway); E >>>> to WTC; >>>> >>>>>> Police Plz is just east of the 1 Centre St. Municipal Bldg., >>>> equivalent of >>>> >>>>>> Chambers St.; MAP: <http://ow.ly/5or1N > >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> ["I'll believe it when it's in my hot little hand." - Anon.]
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> told >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Kelly's >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>
=== Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 09:44:17 -0400 From: "Jeremy Saunders, VOCAL-NY" <jeremy@vocal-ny.org> Subject: [Rttc-nyc] Big Victory for NYPD Accountability! In response to mounting pressure, NYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly
>>>>>> police officers last week to follow the law and stop making costly and >>>>>> racially biased marijuana arrests, now the number one arrest in New York >>>>>> City. This could translate into tens of thousands of fewer arrests among >>>>>> Black and Latino youth each year. >>>>>> >>>>>> VOCAL-NY led the grassroots effort to end these arrests in >>>>>> collaboration with our allies at the Drug Policy Alliance (DPA) and the >>>>>> Institute for Juvenile Justice Reform and Alternatives (IJJRA). >>>>>> >>>>>> Although marijuana use is higher among whites, 86% of those arrested >>>>>> for marijuana possession last year were Black and Latino youth. The NYPD's >>>>>> aggressive use of stop-and-frisks in communities of color, along with >>>>>> unconstitutional searches that often follow, have largely driven these >>>>>> arrests. Being arrested can mean more than a night in jail too. It can make >>>>>> it difficult for people to find housing, get a job, take care of their >>>>>> family and apply for tuition assistance. >>>>>> >>>>>> Please join us this Tuesday, September 27 at 1:30pm >>>>>> to celebrate this important victory and call for effective >>>>>> implementation. >>>>>> >>>>>> What: Press conference applauding NYPD Commissioner Ray policy >>>>>> shift to enforce existing marijuana possession laws and to call for the >>>>>> passage of New York bill A.7620 (Jeffries)/S.5187 (Grisanti) and City >>>>>> Council Resolution 0986-2011 (Mark-Viverito) >>>>>> >>>>>> When: Tuesday, September 27 at 1:30pm >>>>>> >>>>>> Where: 1 Police Plaza; 4,5,6 train to Brooklyn Bridge/City Hall, J >>>>>> train to Chambers street; [or R, but never N, to City Hall (Broadway &
>>>> >>>>>> Warren); A, C to Chambers (at Church St.); #1, 2, 3 to Chambers >>>> (at W. >>>> >>>>>> Broadway); E to WTC; Police Plz is just east of the 1 Centre St. >>>> Municipal >>>> >>>>>> Bldg., equivalent of Chambers St.; map: <http://ow.ly/5or1N > >>>> -t.] >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> Who: Drug Policy Alliance, IJJRA, VOCAL-NY, New York Assembly >>>> Member >>>> >>>>>> Hakeem Jeffries, NYC Council Members Melissa Mark-Viverito and >>>> Jumaane D. >>>> >>>>>> Williams, advocates, and others >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> BACKGROUND: >>>> >>>>>> On Monday, September 19th, responding to mounting public pressure >>>> from >>>> >>>>>> advocates and elected officials, NYPD police commissioner Ray >>>> Kelly issued >>>> >>>>>> an operations order that clarified existing marijuana possession >>>> laws, >>>> >>>>>> instructing officers not to arrest people for marijuana in public >>>> view when >>>> >>>>>> complying with an officer's demand to "empty their pockets". This >>>> change >>>> >>>>>> could lead to the reduction of tens of thousands of arrests in New >>>> York >>>> >>>>>> City. >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> Nearly all of these arrests have been made in defiance of the law. >>>> >>>>>> Marijuana has been decriminalized since 1977, making possession of >>>> 25 grams >>>> >>>>>> or less of marijuana a violation, punishable by a $100 fine, not >>>> arrest and >>>> >>>>>> jail. However, possessing or burning marijuana in public view is a >>>> criminal >>>> >>>>>> offense punishable by arrest and jail. >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> Since 1996, the NYPD has made over 535,000 arrests for possession >>>> of >>>> >>>>>> small amounts of marijuana. In 2010 alone, 50,383 people were >>>> arrested for >>>> >>>>>> simple marijuana possession, comprising nearly 15% of all arrests >>>> and making >>>> >>>>>> it the number one arrest in the city. Most of these arrests were >>>> not for >>>> >>>>>> smoking in public, but were the result of complying with an >>>> officer's demand >>>> >>>>>> to disclose contraband or from a police search and being >>>> improperly charged >>>> >>>>>> for "marijuana in public view" instead of the non-criminal
>>>> violation >>>> >>>>>> offense. >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> Join the VOCAL-NY, Drug Policy Alliance and IJJRA, together with >>>> >>>>>> elected officials, to applaud the Police Commissioner for his >>>> policy change, >>>> >>>>>> and to urge cooperation to ensure that officers follow this >>>> directive. This >>>> >>>>>> operations order can be made permanent, and apply to all of New >>>> York state, >>>> >>>>>> by passing New York bill A.7620 (Jeffries)/S.5187 (Grisanti). The >>>> NYC City >>>> >>>>>> Council has introduced a resolution (0986-2011/Mark-Viverito) >>>> >>>>>> supporting the passage of this legislation. >>>> >>>>>> ->>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> Please note: VOCAL New York was formerly the NYC AIDS Housing >>>> Network >>>> >>>>>> (NYCAHN) >>>> >>>>>> ***Please update your address books with our new emails*** >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> Jeremy Saunders >>>> >>>>>> VOCAL New York 917-676-8041 (cell) >>>> >>>>>> jeremy@vocal-ny.org >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>  >>>> >>>>>>  >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> website: www.VOCAL-NY.org >>>> >>>>>> facebook: www.facebook.com/vocalny >>>> >>>>>> twitter: http://twitter.com/vocalnewyork >>>> >>>>>> donate online: http://tinyurl.com/nycahndonate >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> < https://lists.mayfirst.org/mailman/listinfo/rttc-nyc>, >>>> >>>>>> < mailto:rttc-nyc-request@lists.mayfirst.org?subject=subscribe> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> = = = >>>> >>>>>> Check NY Activist Calendar frequently: http://nycal.mayfirst.org >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> ->>>> >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> >>>>>> Groups "CUNY Students Unite!" group. >>>> >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>> >>>>>> cuny-students-unite@googlegroups.com. >>>> >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> >>>>>> cuny-students-unite+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>
>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/cuny-students-unite?hl=en. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> > >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of J Wedes september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] CRASH Press conf. for NYPD Commish Ray Kelly: tmw Tues 9/27 Tuesday, September 27, 2011 10:51:55 AM
lets also not expend 2 much energy winning over or even dissing the cops. they are not our enemy. -j On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 9:48 AM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: People, the cops are never going to "switch sides" and join us. It's an extremely ahistorical idea to think that this is even a remote possibility. The cops have always been used to attack protesters - remember Selma? the Chicago Haymarket? Seattle? - and they have NEVER switched sides. It's their job to keep "order," which means containing, dispersing and attacking anything that challenges the status quo. Refusing to do so means losing their job. We can debate whether conflicts with the cops are good PR for us or not, but the idea that they can be convinced to be "on our side" is ludicrous. Have you already forgotten what happened at the Troy Davis rally (before it got to Zucotti) and Union Square??? Doug On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 11:46 AM, Gary Roland <opesr.nyc@gmail.com> wrote: After telling their stories they should be expressing the fact that they forgive the police and hope they will be joining us. The chant "cops are workers too, we are fighting for you too" comes to mind. Ivan from Otpor said we need a contradiction event to express to the men in blue that they are supporting the wrong side, and show that the people giving the orders are not their friends. A forgiveness action showing that we are on their side might help. ~GARY On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 1:33 PM, Marisa Holmes <marisaholmes@gmail.com> wrote: We should get Anna and others who were brutalized by the police to show their wounds and tell their stories. Marisa On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 8:20 PM, Gary Roland <opesr.nyc@gmail.com> wrote: > I like the idea of making this a show of support for the police officers to > start acting responsibly and non-violently. This could be our contradiction > event, showing that we are not against the police, only against when they > prop up the financiers will. > > However this goes against the statement issued that Commissioner Kelly > should resign. Disrupting the police press conference would obviously > escalate the situation, but a show of support to them "following the law" > and respecting citizens would be a de-escalation with the police, and may
be > good for the longevity of the movement. > ~GARY > > On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 1:11 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> We can do both-- we should all be in suits, bringing flowers to thank >> them. >> >> >> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:47 PM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> revolution! not resolution! >>> >>> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:47 PM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Isn't it worth considering going in not with recrimination but rather >>>> with quiet dignity, accepting their acknowledgment that they went overboard, >>>> and pledging to work with them to keep this a peaceful resolution, >>>> emphasizing that working middle class people like police and fire fighters >>>> are part of the 99%. >>>> It will put them in the position of being supportive of the occupation. >>>> >>>> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 10:44 AM, Amin Husain <amin.husain@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Conor, Great idea! >>>>> >>>>> 2011/9/26 Conor Toms Reed <conortomasreed@gmail.com> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hey, folks. It looks like the NYPD's trying to do a quick PR clean-up. >>>>>> Should we bring some folks from Liberty Plaza to chant "SHAME" for the >>>>>> NYPD's recent brutalities on Thursday night for the Troy Davis and Saturday >>>>>> for the Occupy Wall Street march? The celebratory language of the press >>>>>> release is strange, given that one of the speakers, Jumaane Williams, was >>>>>> illegally arrested at the West Indian Day parade (walking while Black). >>>>>> >>>>>> what do y'all think? >>>>>> -Conor >>>>>> >>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com
>>>>>> From: todd eaton <toddeaton@optonline.net> >>>>>> Date: Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 10:08 AM >>>>>> Subject: Press conf. for NYPD Commish Ray Kelly: tmw Tues 9/27 >>>>>> To: cuny-students-unite@googlegroups.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Press conference to applaud NYC's & NYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly's >>>>>> announced intention that his forces may begin to comply with rule of >>>>>> law...following City for a decade and counting having centered its public >>>>>> safety efforts around making many tens of thousands of plainly illegal race >>>>>> arrests, in a coordinated campaign that was apparently specifically designed >>>>>> to compel Black and Latino youth to move away. >>>>>> >>>>>> Call for the passage of New York bill A.7620 (Jeffries)/S.5187 >>>>>> (Grisanti) and City Council Resolution 0986-2011 (Mark-Viverito) >>>>>> Tuesday, September 27 at 1:30pm at 1 Police Plaza >>>>>> >>>>>> TRANSIT: #4,5,6 train to Brooklyn Bridge/City Hall, J train to >>>>>> Chambers street; R, but never N, to City Hall (Broadway & Warren); A, C to >>>>>> Chambers (at Church St.); #1, 2, 3 to Chambers (at W. Broadway); E to WTC; >>>>>> Police Plz is just east of the 1 Centre St. Municipal Bldg., equivalent of >>>>>> Chambers St.; MAP: <http://ow.ly/5or1N > >>>>>> >>>>>> ["I'll believe it when it's in my hot little hand." - Anon.] >>>>>> = = = >>>>>> >>>>>> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 09:44:17 -0400 >>>>>> From: "Jeremy Saunders, VOCAL-NY" <jeremy@vocal-ny.org> >>>>>> Subject: [Rttc-nyc] Big Victory for NYPD Accountability! >>>>>> >>>>>> In response to mounting pressure, NYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly told >>>>>> police officers last week to follow the law and stop making costly and >>>>>> racially biased marijuana arrests, now the number one arrest in New York >>>>>> City. This could translate into tens of thousands of fewer arrests among >>>>>> Black and Latino youth each year. >>>>>> >>>>>> VOCAL-NY led the grassroots effort to end these arrests in >>>>>> collaboration with our allies at the Drug Policy Alliance (DPA) and the >>>>>> Institute for Juvenile Justice Reform and Alternatives (IJJRA). >>>>>>
>>>>>> Although marijuana use is higher among whites, 86% of those arrested >>>>>> for marijuana possession last year were Black and Latino youth. The NYPD's >>>>>> aggressive use of stop-and-frisks in communities of color, along with >>>>>> unconstitutional searches that often follow, have largely driven these >>>>>> arrests. Being arrested can mean more than a night in jail too. It can make >>>>>> it difficult for people to find housing, get a job, take care of their >>>>>> family and apply for tuition assistance. >>>>>> >>>>>> Please join us this Tuesday, September 27 at 1:30pm >>>>>> to celebrate this important victory and call for effective >>>>>> implementation. >>>>>> >>>>>> What: Press conference applauding NYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly's policy >>>>>> shift to enforce existing marijuana possession laws and to call for the >>>>>> passage of New York bill A.7620 (Jeffries)/S.5187 (Grisanti) and City >>>>>> Council Resolution 0986-2011 (Mark-Viverito) >>>>>> >>>>>> When: Tuesday, September 27 at 1:30pm >>>>>> >>>>>> Where: 1 Police Plaza; 4,5,6 train to Brooklyn Bridge/City Hall, J >>>>>> train to Chambers street; [or R, but never N, to City Hall (Broadway & >>>>>> Warren); A, C to Chambers (at Church St.); #1, 2, 3 to Chambers (at W. >>>>>> Broadway); E to WTC; Police Plz is just east of the 1 Centre St. Municipal >>>>>> Bldg., equivalent of Chambers St.; map: <http://ow.ly/5or1N > -t.] >>>>>> >>>>>> Who: Drug Policy Alliance, IJJRA, VOCAL-NY, New York Assembly Member >>>>>> Hakeem Jeffries, NYC Council Members Melissa Mark-Viverito and Jumaane D. >>>>>> Williams, advocates, and others >>>>>> >>>>>> BACKGROUND: >>>>>> On Monday, September 19th, responding to mounting public pressure from >>>>>> advocates and elected officials, NYPD police commissioner Ray Kelly issued >>>>>> an operations order that clarified existing marijuana possession laws, >>>>>> instructing officers not to arrest people for marijuana in public view when >>>>>> complying with an officer's demand to "empty their pockets". This change >>>>>> could lead to the reduction of tens of thousands of arrests in New York >>>>>> City.
>>>>>> >>>>>> Nearly all of these arrests have been made in defiance of the law. >>>>>> Marijuana has been decriminalized since 1977, making possession of 25 grams >>>>>> or less of marijuana a violation, punishable by a $100 fine, not arrest and >>>>>> jail. However, possessing or burning marijuana in public view is a criminal >>>>>> offense punishable by arrest and jail. >>>>>> >>>>>> Since 1996, the NYPD has made over 535,000 arrests for possession of >>>>>> small amounts of marijuana. In 2010 alone, 50,383 people were arrested for >>>>>> simple marijuana possession, comprising nearly 15% of all arrests and making >>>>>> it the number one arrest in the city. Most of these arrests were not for >>>>>> smoking in public, but were the result of complying with an officer's demand >>>>>> to disclose contraband or from a police search and being improperly charged >>>>>> for "marijuana in public view" instead of the non-criminal violation >>>>>> offense. >>>>>> >>>>>> Join the VOCAL-NY, Drug Policy Alliance and IJJRA, together with >>>>>> elected officials, to applaud the Police Commissioner for his policy change, >>>>>> and to urge cooperation to ensure that officers follow this directive. This >>>>>> operations order can be made permanent, and apply to all of New York state, >>>>>> by passing New York bill A.7620 (Jeffries)/S.5187 (Grisanti). The NYC City >>>>>> Council has introduced a resolution (0986-2011/Mark-Viverito) >>>>>> supporting the passage of this legislation. >>>>>> ->>>>>> >>>>>> Please note: VOCAL New York was formerly the NYC AIDS Housing Network >>>>>> (NYCAHN) >>>>>> ***Please update your address books with our new emails*** >>>>>> >>>>>> Jeremy Saunders >>>>>> VOCAL New York 917-676-8041 (cell) >>>>>> jeremy@vocal-ny.org >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>  >>>>>>  >>>>>> >>>>>> website: www.VOCAL-NY.org >>>>>> facebook: www.facebook.com/vocalny
>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Google >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> > >
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People, the cops are never going to "switch sides" and join us. It's an extremely ahistorical idea to think that this is even a remote possibility. The cops have always been used to attack protesters - remember Selma? the Chicago Haymarket? Seattle? - and they have NEVER switched sides. It's their job to keep "order," which means containing, dispersing and attacking anything that challenges the status quo. Refusing to do so means losing their job. We can debate whether conflicts with the cops are good PR for us or not, but the idea that they can be convinced to be "on our side" is ludicrous. Have you already forgotten what happened at the Troy Davis rally (before it got to Zucotti) and Union Square??? Doug On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 11:46 AM, Gary Roland <opesr.nyc@gmail.com> wrote: After telling their stories they should be expressing the fact that they forgive the police and hope they will be joining us. The chant "cops are workers too, we are fighting for you too" comes to mind. Ivan from Otpor said we need a contradiction event to express to the men in blue that they are supporting the wrong side, and show that the people giving the orders are not their friends. A forgiveness action showing that we are on their side might help. ~GARY On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 1:33 PM, Marisa Holmes <marisaholmes@gmail.com> wrote: We should get Anna and others who were brutalized by the police to show their wounds and tell their stories. Marisa On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 8:20 PM, Gary Roland <opesr.nyc@gmail.com> wrote: > I like the idea of making this a show of support for the police officers to > start acting responsibly and non-violently. This could be our contradiction > event, showing that we are not against the police, only against when they > prop up the financiers will. > > However this goes against the statement issued that Commissioner Kelly > should resign. Disrupting the police press conference would obviously > escalate the situation, but a show of support to them "following the law" > and respecting citizens would be a de-escalation with the police, and may be > good for the longevity of the movement. > ~GARY > > On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 1:11 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> We can do both-- we should all be in suits, bringing flowers to thank >> them. >>
>> >> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:47 PM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> revolution! not resolution! >>> >>> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:47 PM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Isn't it worth considering going in not with recrimination but rather >>>> with quiet dignity, accepting their acknowledgment that they went overboard, >>>> and pledging to work with them to keep this a peaceful resolution, >>>> emphasizing that working middle class people like police and fire fighters >>>> are part of the 99%. >>>> It will put them in the position of being supportive of the occupation. >>>> >>>> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 10:44 AM, Amin Husain <amin.husain@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Conor, Great idea! >>>>> >>>>> 2011/9/26 Conor Toms Reed <conortomasreed@gmail.com> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hey, folks. It looks like the NYPD's trying to do a quick PR clean-up. >>>>>> Should we bring some folks from Liberty Plaza to chant "SHAME" for the >>>>>> NYPD's recent brutalities on Thursday night for the Troy Davis and Saturday >>>>>> for the Occupy Wall Street march? The celebratory language of the press >>>>>> release is strange, given that one of the speakers, Jumaane Williams, was >>>>>> illegally arrested at the West Indian Day parade (walking while Black). >>>>>> >>>>>> what do y'all think? >>>>>> -Conor >>>>>> >>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------->>>>>> From: todd eaton <toddeaton@optonline.net> >>>>>> Date: Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 10:08 AM >>>>>> Subject: Press conf. for NYPD Commish Ray Kelly: tmw Tues 9/27 >>>>>> To: cuny-students-unite@googlegroups.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Press conference to applaud NYC's & NYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly's >>>>>> announced intention that his forces may begin to comply with rule of >>>>>> law...following City for a decade and counting having centered its public >>>>>> safety efforts around making many tens of thousands of plainly illegal race >>>>>> arrests, in a coordinated campaign that was apparently specifically
designed >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> A, C to >>>>>> to WTC; >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> York >>>>>> among >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> arrested >>>>>> NYPD's >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> make >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> policy >>>>>> >>>>>>
to compel Black and Latino youth to move away. Call for the passage of New York bill A.7620 (Jeffries)/S.5187 (Grisanti) and City Council Resolution 0986-2011 (Mark-Viverito) Tuesday, September 27 at 1:30pm at 1 Police Plaza TRANSIT: #4,5,6 train to Brooklyn Bridge/City Hall, J train to Chambers street; R, but never N, to City Hall (Broadway & Warren); Chambers (at Church St.); #1, 2, 3 to Chambers (at W. Broadway); E Police Plz is just east of the 1 Centre St. Municipal Bldg., equivalent of Chambers St.; MAP: <http://ow.ly/5or1N > ["I'll believe it when it's in my hot little hand." - Anon.] = = = Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 09:44:17 -0400 From: "Jeremy Saunders, VOCAL-NY" <jeremy@vocal-ny.org> Subject: [Rttc-nyc] Big Victory for NYPD Accountability! In response to mounting pressure, NYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly told police officers last week to follow the law and stop making costly and racially biased marijuana arrests, now the number one arrest in New City. This could translate into tens of thousands of fewer arrests Black and Latino youth each year. VOCAL-NY led the grassroots effort to end these arrests in collaboration with our allies at the Drug Policy Alliance (DPA) and the Institute for Juvenile Justice Reform and Alternatives (IJJRA). Although marijuana use is higher among whites, 86% of those for marijuana possession last year were Black and Latino youth. The aggressive use of stop-and-frisks in communities of color, along with unconstitutional searches that often follow, have largely driven these arrests. Being arrested can mean more than a night in jail too. It can it difficult for people to find housing, get a job, take care of their family and apply for tuition assistance. Please join us this Tuesday, September 27 at 1:30pm to celebrate this important victory and call for effective implementation. What: Press conference applauding NYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly's shift to enforce existing marijuana possession laws and to call for the passage of New York bill A.7620 (Jeffries)/S.5187 (Grisanti) and City
>>>>>> Council Resolution 0986-2011 (Mark-Viverito) >>>>>> >>>>>> When: Tuesday, September 27 at 1:30pm >>>>>> >>>>>> Where: 1 Police Plaza; 4,5,6 train to Brooklyn Bridge/City Hall, J >>>>>> train to Chambers street; [or R, but never N, to City Hall (Broadway & >>>>>> Warren); A, C to Chambers (at Church St.); #1, 2, 3 to Chambers (at W. >>>>>> Broadway); E to WTC; Police Plz is just east of the 1 Centre St. Municipal >>>>>> Bldg., equivalent of Chambers St.; map: <http://ow.ly/5or1N > -t.] >>>>>> >>>>>> Who: Drug Policy Alliance, IJJRA, VOCAL-NY, New York Assembly Member >>>>>> Hakeem Jeffries, NYC Council Members Melissa Mark-Viverito and Jumaane D. >>>>>> Williams, advocates, and others >>>>>> >>>>>> BACKGROUND: >>>>>> On Monday, September 19th, responding to mounting public pressure from >>>>>> advocates and elected officials, NYPD police commissioner Ray Kelly issued >>>>>> an operations order that clarified existing marijuana possession laws, >>>>>> instructing officers not to arrest people for marijuana in public view when >>>>>> complying with an officer's demand to "empty their pockets". This change >>>>>> could lead to the reduction of tens of thousands of arrests in New York >>>>>> City. >>>>>> >>>>>> Nearly all of these arrests have been made in defiance of the law. >>>>>> Marijuana has been decriminalized since 1977, making possession of 25 grams >>>>>> or less of marijuana a violation, punishable by a $100 fine, not arrest and >>>>>> jail. However, possessing or burning marijuana in public view is a criminal >>>>>> offense punishable by arrest and jail. >>>>>> >>>>>> Since 1996, the NYPD has made over 535,000 arrests for possession of >>>>>> small amounts of marijuana. In 2010 alone, 50,383 people were arrested for >>>>>> simple marijuana possession, comprising nearly 15% of all arrests and making >>>>>> it the number one arrest in the city. Most of these arrests were not for >>>>>> smoking in public, but were the result of complying with an officer's demand >>>>>> to disclose contraband or from a police search and being improperly charged >>>>>> for "marijuana in public view" instead of the non-criminal violation
>>>>>> offense. >>>>>> >>>>>> Join the VOCAL-NY, Drug Policy Alliance and IJJRA, together with >>>>>> elected officials, to applaud the Police Commissioner for his policy change, >>>>>> and to urge cooperation to ensure that officers follow this directive. This >>>>>> operations order can be made permanent, and apply to all of New York state, >>>>>> by passing New York bill A.7620 (Jeffries)/S.5187 (Grisanti). The NYC City >>>>>> Council has introduced a resolution (0986-2011/Mark-Viverito) >>>>>> supporting the passage of this legislation. >>>>>> ->>>>>> >>>>>> Please note: VOCAL New York was formerly the NYC AIDS Housing Network >>>>>> (NYCAHN) >>>>>> ***Please update your address books with our new emails*** >>>>>> >>>>>> Jeremy Saunders >>>>>> VOCAL New York 917-676-8041 (cell) >>>>>> jeremy@vocal-ny.org >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>  >>>>>>  >>>>>> >>>>>> website: www.VOCAL-NY.org >>>>>> facebook: www.facebook.com/vocalny >>>>>> twitter: http://twitter.com/vocalnewyork >>>>>> donate online: http://tinyurl.com/nycahndonate >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> < https://lists.mayfirst.org/mailman/listinfo/rttc-nyc>, >>>>>> < mailto:rttc-nyc-request@lists.mayfirst.org?subject=subscribe> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> = = = >>>>>> Check NY Activist Calendar frequently: http://nycal.mayfirst.org >>>>>> >>>>>> ->>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "CUNY Students Unite!" group. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>> cuny-students-unite@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>> cuny-students-unite+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/cuny-students-unite?hl=en.
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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Luis Moreno-Caballud september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] CRASH Press conf. for NYPD Commish Ray Kelly: tmw Tues 9/27 Tuesday, September 27, 2011 7:27:26 PM
+1 On Sep 27, 2011, at 7:05 PM, jemcgloin@verizon.net wrote:

I agree completely that the cops will never switch sides. But I do think that we can win more support from the 99% by acting as if they might. By treating the cops as part of the 99%, we will avoid alienating people that we need. The people that were arrested will have to decide what to do with their well earned anger, and I support them 100%. But by showing up in suits and quitely putting our point across, we can confound attempts to make us look like spoiled college students and out of work hippies. Always keep them guessing.
On 09/27/11, Doug Singsen<dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: People, the cops are never going to "switch sides" and join us. It's an extremely ahistorical idea to think that this is even a remote possibility. The cops have always been used to attack protesters remember Selma? the Chicago Haymarket? Seattle? - and they have NEVER switched sides. It's their job to keep "order," which means containing, dispersing and attacking anything that challenges the status quo. Refusing to do so means losing their job. We can debate whether conflicts with the cops are good PR for us or not, but the idea that they can be convinced to be "on our side" is ludicrous. Have you already forgotten what happened at the Troy Davis rally (before it got to Zucotti) and Union Square??? Doug On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 11:46 AM, Gary Roland <opesr.nyc@gmail.com> wrote: After telling their stories they should be expressing the fact that they forgive the police and hope they will be joining us. The chant "cops are workers too, we are fighting for you too" comes to mind. Ivan from Otpor said we need a contradiction event to express to the men in blue that they are supporting the wrong side, and show that the people giving the orders are not their friends. A forgiveness action showing that we are on their side might help. ~GARY On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 1:33 PM, Marisa Holmes <marisaholmes@gmail.com> wrote: We should get Anna and others who were brutalized by the police to show their wounds and tell their stories. Marisa On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 8:20 PM, Gary Roland <opesr.nyc@gmail.com> wrote: > I like the idea of making this a show of support for the police officers to > start acting responsibly and non-violently. This could be our contradiction > event, showing that we are not against the police, only against when they > prop up the financiers will. > > However this goes against the statement issued that Commissioner Kelly > should resign. Disrupting the police press conference would obviously > escalate the situation, but a show of support to them "following the law" > and respecting citizens would be a de-escalation with the police, and may be > good for the longevity of the movement.
> ~GARY > > On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 1:11 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> We can do both-- we should all be in suits, bringing flowers to thank >> them. >> >> >> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:47 PM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> revolution! not resolution! >>> >>> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:47 PM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Isn't it worth considering going in not with recrimination but rather >>>> with quiet dignity, accepting their acknowledgment that they went overboard, >>>> and pledging to work with them to keep this a peaceful resolution, >>>> emphasizing that working middle class people like police and fire fighters >>>> are part of the 99%. >>>> It will put them in the position of being supportive of the occupation. >>>> >>>> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 10:44 AM, Amin Husain <amin.husain@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Conor, Great idea! >>>>> >>>>> 2011/9/26 Conor Toms Reed <conortomasreed@gmail.com> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hey, folks. It looks like the NYPD's trying to do a quick PR clean-up. >>>>>> Should we bring some folks from Liberty Plaza to chant "SHAME" for the >>>>>> NYPD's recent brutalities on Thursday night for the Troy Davis and Saturday >>>>>> for the Occupy Wall Street march? The celebratory language of the press >>>>>> release is strange, given that one of the speakers, Jumaane Williams, was >>>>>> illegally arrested at the West Indian Day parade (walking while Black). >>>>>> >>>>>> what do y'all think? >>>>>> -Conor >>>>>> >>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------->>>>>> From: todd eaton <toddeaton@optonline.net> >>>>>> Date: Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 10:08 AM >>>>>> Subject: Press conf. for NYPD Commish Ray Kelly: tmw Tues 9/27 >>>>>> To: cuny-students-unite@googlegroups.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Press conference to applaud NYC's & NYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly's >>>>>> announced intention that his forces may begin to comply with rule of >>>>>> law...following City for a decade and counting having centered its public >>>>>> safety efforts around making many tens of thousands of plainly illegal race >>>>>> arrests, in a coordinated campaign that was apparently specifically designed >>>>>> to compel Black and Latino youth to move away. >>>>>> >>>>>> Call for the passage of New York bill A.7620 (Jeffries)/S.5187 >>>>>> (Grisanti) and City Council Resolution 0986-2011 (Mark-Viverito) >>>>>> Tuesday, September 27 at 1:30pm at 1 Police Plaza
>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>
TRANSIT: #4,5,6 train to Brooklyn Bridge/City Hall, J train to Chambers street; R, but never N, to City Hall (Broadway & Warren); A, C to Chambers (at Church St.); #1, 2, 3 to Chambers (at W. Broadway); E to WTC; Police Plz is just east of the 1 Centre St. Municipal Bldg., equivalent of Chambers St.; MAP: <http://ow.ly/5or1N > ["I'll believe it when it's in my hot little hand." - Anon.] = = = Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 09:44:17 -0400 From: "Jeremy Saunders, VOCAL-NY" <jeremy@vocal-ny.org> Subject: [Rttc-nyc] Big Victory for NYPD Accountability! In response to mounting pressure, NYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly told police officers last week to follow the law and stop making costly and racially biased marijuana arrests, now the number one arrest in New York City. This could translate into tens of thousands of fewer arrests among Black and Latino youth each year. VOCAL-NY led the grassroots effort to end these arrests in collaboration with our allies at the Drug Policy Alliance (DPA) and the Institute for Juvenile Justice Reform and Alternatives (IJJRA). Although marijuana use is higher among whites, 86% of those arrested for marijuana possession last year were Black and Latino youth. The NYPD's aggressive use of stop-and-frisks in communities of color, along with unconstitutional searches that often follow, have largely driven these arrests. Being arrested can mean more than a night in jail too. It can make it difficult for people to find housing, get a job, take care of their family and apply for tuition assistance. Please join us this Tuesday, September 27 at 1:30pm to celebrate this important victory and call for effective implementation. What: Press conference applauding NYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly's policy shift to enforce existing marijuana possession laws and to call for the passage of New York bill A.7620 (Jeffries)/S.5187 (Grisanti) and City Council Resolution 0986-2011 (Mark-Viverito) When: Tuesday, September 27 at 1:30pm Where: 1 Police Plaza; 4,5,6 train to Brooklyn Bridge/City Hall, J train to Chambers street; [or R, but never N, to City Hall (Broadway & Warren); A, C to Chambers (at Church St.); #1, 2, 3 to Chambers (at W. Broadway); E to WTC; Police Plz is just east of the 1 Centre St. Municipal Bldg., equivalent of Chambers St.; map: <http://ow.ly/5or1N > -t.] Who: Drug Policy Alliance, IJJRA, VOCAL-NY, New York Assembly Member Hakeem Jeffries, NYC Council Members Melissa Mark-Viverito and Jumaane D. Williams, advocates, and others BACKGROUND: On Monday, September 19th, responding to mounting public pressure from advocates and elected officials, NYPD police commissioner Ray Kelly issued an operations order that clarified existing marijuana possession laws,
>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>
instructing officers not to arrest people for marijuana in public view when complying with an officer's demand to "empty their pockets". This change could lead to the reduction of tens of thousands of arrests in New York City. Nearly all of these arrests have been made in defiance of the law. Marijuana has been decriminalized since 1977, making possession of 25 grams or less of marijuana a violation, punishable by a $100 fine, not arrest and jail. However, possessing or burning marijuana in public view is a criminal offense punishable by arrest and jail. Since 1996, the NYPD has made over 535,000 arrests for possession of small amounts of marijuana. In 2010 alone, 50,383 people were arrested for simple marijuana possession, comprising nearly 15% of all arrests and making it the number one arrest in the city. Most of these arrests were not for smoking in public, but were the result of complying with an officer's demand to disclose contraband or from a police search and being improperly charged for "marijuana in public view" instead of the non-criminal violation offense. Join the VOCAL-NY, Drug Policy Alliance and IJJRA, together with elected officials, to applaud the Police Commissioner for his policy change, and to urge cooperation to ensure that officers follow this directive. This operations order can be made permanent, and apply to all of New York state, by passing New York bill A.7620 (Jeffries)/S.5187 (Grisanti). The NYC City Council has introduced a resolution (0986-2011/Mark-Viverito) supporting the passage of this legislation. -Please note: VOCAL New York was formerly the NYC AIDS Housing Network (NYCAHN) ***Please update your address books with our new emails*** Jeremy Saunders VOCAL New York 917-676-8041 (cell) jeremy@vocal-ny.org
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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of gail zawacki september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] CRASH Press conf. for NYPD Commish Ray Kelly: tmw Tues 9/27 Tuesday, September 27, 2011 11:36:17 AM
If things get really out of control they will just bring in the National Guard. I think most of you folks are too young to remember Ohio State. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GI7-m919ynU Alternet story, "8 reasons Young Americans Don't Fight Back: How US Crushed Youth Resistance" SOOO Glad ya'll are proving this wrong!
On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 10:59 AM, Ryan David Acuff <racuff@gmail.com> wrote: The NYPD have predictably made themselves a secondary target or "enemy" if you prefer. They protect Wall Street and their interests, not us. And as Conor eluded to, they protect a white supremacist, sexist, homophobic, classist system everyday in the financial district and in the hood. In Egypt the primary target was Mubarak, but the security forces quickly made themselves a secondary target. Tahrir was taken over by having the security forces flee Cairo in humiliation for their brutality. Ryan On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 10:51 AM, J Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: lets also not expend 2 much energy winning over or even dissing the cops. they are not our enemy. -j On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 9:48 AM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: People, the cops are never going to "switch sides" and join us. It's an extremely ahistorical idea to think that this is even a remote possibility. The cops have always been used to attack protesters - remember Selma? the Chicago Haymarket? Seattle? - and they have NEVER switched sides. It's their job to keep "order," which means containing, dispersing and attacking anything that challenges the status quo. Refusing to do so means losing their job. We can debate whether conflicts with the cops are good PR for us or not, but the idea that they can be convinced to be "on our side" is ludicrous. Have you already forgotten what happened at the Troy Davis rally (before it got to Zucotti) and Union Square??? Doug On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 11:46 AM, Gary Roland <opesr.nyc@gmail.com>
wrote: After telling their stories they should be expressing the fact that they forgive the police and hope they will be joining us. The chant "cops are workers too, we are fighting for you too" comes to mind. Ivan from Otpor said we need a contradiction event to express to the men in blue that they are supporting the wrong side, and show that the people giving the orders are not their friends. A forgiveness action showing that we are on their side might help. ~GARY On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 1:33 PM, Marisa Holmes <marisaholmes@gmail.com> wrote: We should get Anna and others who were brutalized by the police to show their wounds and tell their stories. Marisa On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 8:20 PM, Gary Roland <opesr.nyc@gmail.com> wrote: > I like the idea of making this a show of support for the police officers to > start acting responsibly and non-violently. This could be our contradiction > event, showing that we are not against the police, only against when they > prop up the financiers will. > > However this goes against the statement issued that Commissioner Kelly > should resign. Disrupting the police press conference would obviously > escalate the situation, but a show of support to them "following the law" > and respecting citizens would be a de-escalation with the police, and may be > good for the longevity of the movement. > ~GARY > > On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 1:11 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> We can do both-- we should all be in suits, bringing flowers to thank >> them. >> >> >> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:47 PM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> revolution! not resolution! >>> >>> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:47 PM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Isn't it worth considering going in not with recrimination but rather
>>>> with quiet dignity, accepting their acknowledgment that they went overboard, >>>> and pledging to work with them to keep this a peaceful resolution, >>>> emphasizing that working middle class people like police and fire fighters >>>> are part of the 99%. >>>> It will put them in the position of being supportive of the occupation. >>>> >>>> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 10:44 AM, Amin Husain <amin.husain@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Conor, Great idea! >>>>> >>>>> 2011/9/26 Conor Toms Reed <conortomasreed@gmail.com> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hey, folks. It looks like the NYPD's trying to do a quick PR clean-up. >>>>>> Should we bring some folks from Liberty Plaza to chant "SHAME" for the >>>>>> NYPD's recent brutalities on Thursday night for the Troy Davis and Saturday >>>>>> for the Occupy Wall Street march? The celebratory language of the press >>>>>> release is strange, given that one of the speakers, Jumaane Williams, was >>>>>> illegally arrested at the West Indian Day parade (walking while Black). >>>>>> >>>>>> what do y'all think? >>>>>> -Conor >>>>>> >>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------->>>>>> From: todd eaton <toddeaton@optonline.net> >>>>>> Date: Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 10:08 AM >>>>>> Subject: Press conf. for NYPD Commish Ray Kelly: tmw Tues 9/27 >>>>>> To: cuny-students-unite@googlegroups.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Press conference to applaud NYC's & NYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly's >>>>>> announced intention that his forces may begin to comply with rule of >>>>>> law...following City for a decade and counting having centered its public >>>>>> safety efforts around making many tens of thousands of plainly illegal race >>>>>> arrests, in a coordinated campaign that was apparently specifically designed >>>>>> to compel Black and Latino youth to move away. >>>>>>
>>>>>> Call for the passage of New York bill A.7620 (Jeffries)/S.5187 >>>>>> (Grisanti) and City Council Resolution 0986-2011 (Mark-Viverito) >>>>>> Tuesday, September 27 at 1:30pm at 1 Police Plaza >>>>>> >>>>>> TRANSIT: #4,5,6 train to Brooklyn Bridge/City Hall, J train to >>>>>> Chambers street; R, but never N, to City Hall (Broadway & Warren); A, C to >>>>>> Chambers (at Church St.); #1, 2, 3 to Chambers (at W. Broadway); E to WTC; >>>>>> Police Plz is just east of the 1 Centre St. Municipal Bldg., equivalent of >>>>>> Chambers St.; MAP: <http://ow.ly/5or1N > >>>>>> >>>>>> ["I'll believe it when it's in my hot little hand." - Anon.] >>>>>> = = = >>>>>> >>>>>> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 09:44:17 -0400 >>>>>> From: "Jeremy Saunders, VOCAL-NY" <jeremy@vocal-ny.org> >>>>>> Subject: [Rttc-nyc] Big Victory for NYPD Accountability! >>>>>> >>>>>> In response to mounting pressure, NYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly told >>>>>> police officers last week to follow the law and stop making costly and >>>>>> racially biased marijuana arrests, now the number one arrest in New York >>>>>> City. This could translate into tens of thousands of fewer arrests among >>>>>> Black and Latino youth each year. >>>>>> >>>>>> VOCAL-NY led the grassroots effort to end these arrests in >>>>>> collaboration with our allies at the Drug Policy Alliance (DPA) and the >>>>>> Institute for Juvenile Justice Reform and Alternatives (IJJRA). >>>>>> >>>>>> Although marijuana use is higher among whites, 86% of those arrested >>>>>> for marijuana possession last year were Black and Latino youth. The NYPD's >>>>>> aggressive use of stop-and-frisks in communities of color, along with >>>>>> unconstitutional searches that often follow, have largely driven these >>>>>> arrests. Being arrested can mean more than a night in jail too. It can make >>>>>> it difficult for people to find housing, get a job, take care of their >>>>>> family and apply for tuition assistance. >>>>>> >>>>>> Please join us this Tuesday, September 27 at 1:30pm >>>>>> to celebrate this important victory and call for effective >>>>>> implementation. >>>>>> >>>>>> What: Press conference applauding NYPD Commissioner Ray
Kelly's policy >>>>>> shift to enforce existing marijuana possession laws and to call for the >>>>>> passage of New York bill A.7620 (Jeffries)/S.5187 (Grisanti) and City >>>>>> Council Resolution 0986-2011 (Mark-Viverito) >>>>>> >>>>>> When: Tuesday, September 27 at 1:30pm >>>>>> >>>>>> Where: 1 Police Plaza; 4,5,6 train to Brooklyn Bridge/City Hall, J >>>>>> train to Chambers street; [or R, but never N, to City Hall (Broadway & >>>>>> Warren); A, C to Chambers (at Church St.); #1, 2, 3 to Chambers (at W. >>>>>> Broadway); E to WTC; Police Plz is just east of the 1 Centre St. Municipal >>>>>> Bldg., equivalent of Chambers St.; map: <http://ow.ly/5or1N > -t.] >>>>>> >>>>>> Who: Drug Policy Alliance, IJJRA, VOCAL-NY, New York Assembly Member >>>>>> Hakeem Jeffries, NYC Council Members Melissa Mark-Viverito and Jumaane D. >>>>>> Williams, advocates, and others >>>>>> >>>>>> BACKGROUND: >>>>>> On Monday, September 19th, responding to mounting public pressure from >>>>>> advocates and elected officials, NYPD police commissioner Ray Kelly issued >>>>>> an operations order that clarified existing marijuana possession laws, >>>>>> instructing officers not to arrest people for marijuana in public view when >>>>>> complying with an officer's demand to "empty their pockets". This change >>>>>> could lead to the reduction of tens of thousands of arrests in New York >>>>>> City. >>>>>> >>>>>> Nearly all of these arrests have been made in defiance of the law. >>>>>> Marijuana has been decriminalized since 1977, making possession of 25 grams >>>>>> or less of marijuana a violation, punishable by a $100 fine, not arrest and >>>>>> jail. However, possessing or burning marijuana in public view is a criminal >>>>>> offense punishable by arrest and jail. >>>>>> >>>>>> Since 1996, the NYPD has made over 535,000 arrests for possession of >>>>>> small amounts of marijuana. In 2010 alone, 50,383 people were
arrested for >>>>>> simple marijuana possession, comprising nearly 15% of all arrests and making >>>>>> it the number one arrest in the city. Most of these arrests were not for >>>>>> smoking in public, but were the result of complying with an officer's demand >>>>>> to disclose contraband or from a police search and being improperly charged >>>>>> for "marijuana in public view" instead of the non-criminal violation >>>>>> offense. >>>>>> >>>>>> Join the VOCAL-NY, Drug Policy Alliance and IJJRA, together with >>>>>> elected officials, to applaud the Police Commissioner for his policy change, >>>>>> and to urge cooperation to ensure that officers follow this directive. This >>>>>> operations order can be made permanent, and apply to all of New York state, >>>>>> by passing New York bill A.7620 (Jeffries)/S.5187 (Grisanti). The NYC City >>>>>> Council has introduced a resolution (0986-2011/Mark-Viverito) >>>>>> supporting the passage of this legislation. >>>>>> ->>>>>> >>>>>> Please note: VOCAL New York was formerly the NYC AIDS Housing Network >>>>>> (NYCAHN) >>>>>> ***Please update your address books with our new emails*** >>>>>> >>>>>> Jeremy Saunders >>>>>> VOCAL New York 917-676-8041 (cell) >>>>>> jeremy@vocal-ny.org >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>  >>>>>>  >>>>>> >>>>>> website: www.VOCAL-NY.org >>>>>> facebook: www.facebook.com/vocalny >>>>>> twitter: http://twitter.com/vocalnewyork >>>>>> donate online: http://tinyurl.com/nycahndonate >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> < https://lists.mayfirst.org/mailman/listinfo/rttc-nyc>, >>>>>> < mailto:rttc-nyc-request@lists.mayfirst.org?subject=subscribe> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Google >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> > >
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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Doug Singsen september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] dangers of not having a clear message, NY Times article Sept 24, Metropolitan section, pg 1 Sunday, September 25, 2011 10:13:13 AM
Andy Warhol was a great artist, but he is not necessarily the best guide to political strategy. He saw fame as an end in itself, which is not what we are trying to achieve here, so I think that his perspective is actually not something we want to follow. Many people may see the Times article and not look for any further information because of what they read there. Doug On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 7:49 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: Absolutely- but remember that Andy Warhol said of press coverage, don't read what they write about you, but measure it in inches. The actual information is a google away for people who are supportive. I am so happy with all the coverage, negative or not, pieces of our motives are getting out there. Well done everyone. On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 9:41 AM, Jackie DiSalvo <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> wrote: The NY Times, which had previously published mainly a large picture of women dancing bare breasted, now printed a Sunday article by Gina Bellafante which trivializes our movement. One problem with not having demands (or goals? messages?) or spokespersons is that journalists who want to put down our movement and discourage people from joining will get away with quoting only people who make us look unserious. (There is another Times article by Colin Moynihan almost entirely about the arrests which, however, does sum up the purpose of Occupy Wall Street in 1 sentence which says we are against a financial system that participants say favors the rich and powerful over ordinary citizens.)
I know the bourgeois media will always attack us, but are we doing enough to inhibit their distortions?
Here she quotes a half naked woman dancing on Bway who is said to be time traveling back to 1968 and says Ive been waiting for this all my life, but the context makes dubious what shes been waiting for; someone else says she just came to create spectacles, another wants to get rid of the combustion engine (not a bad idea, but hardly our critique of the domination by the 1%); another is a right wing supporter of Milton Friedman and Ron Paul who just wants to get rid of the Federal Reserve. Similarly the only sign quoted says Even if the world were to end tomorrow, Id still plant a tree and in this context underlines its unconcern for real political change (clamoring for nothing in particular to happen,), not its positive commitment.
. With only such messages as evidence, she gets away with implying that we are ignorant about the economy, and mocks our having no demands and our wish to pantomime progressivism rather than practice it knowledgably.
We need to make incontestably clear what our message is.
From: september17@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Winter Siroco Five demands from the NYCGA: how to link the struggle for democracy to the struggle for social and economic justice
After a lot of talking and consulting some of us agree with 4 points that everybody may endorse. Of course, everybody should seriously think about specific strategies to accomplish these goals. Our goals are:
Making the banks, corporations, and the rich pay, Creating a real participatory democracy,
Ending the oppression of all marginalized groups, and Promoting peace, solidarity, and economic justice.
Cesar
"Making the banks, corporations, and the rich pay"
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of gail zawacki september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] dangers of not having a clear message, NY Times article Sept 24, Metropolitan section, pg 1 Sunday, September 25, 2011 11:32:31 AM
I'm afraid this will just play into the notion that we are a bunch of lazy bums! At least add "pay...their fair share." In general though I think it's safer and true to emphasize that corporate money is controlling our government, which is no longer democratic.
On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 10:12 AM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: Andy Warhol was a great artist, but he is not necessarily the best guide to political strategy. He saw fame as an end in itself, which is not what we are trying to achieve here, so I think that his perspective is actually not something we want to follow. Many people may see the Times article and not look for any further information because of what they read there. Doug On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 7:49 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: Absolutely- but remember that Andy Warhol said of press coverage, don't read what they write about you, but measure it in inches. The actual information is a google away for people who are supportive. I am so happy with all the coverage, negative or not, pieces of our motives are getting out there. Well done everyone. On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 9:41 AM, Jackie DiSalvo <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> wrote: The NY Times, which had previously published mainly a large picture of women dancing bare breasted, now printed a Sunday article by Gina Bellafante which trivializes our movement. One problem with not having demands (or goals? messages?) or spokespersons is that journalists who want to put down our movement and discourage people from joining will get away with quoting only people who make us look unserious. (There is another Times article by Colin Moynihan almost entirely about the arrests which, however, does sum up the purpose of Occupy Wall Street in 1 sentence which says we are against a financial system that participants say favors the rich and powerful over ordinary citizens.)
Here she quotes a half naked woman dancing on Bway who is said to be time traveling back to 1968 and says Ive been waiting for this all my life, but the context makes dubious what shes been waiting for; someone else says she just came to create spectacles, another wants to get rid of the combustion engine (not a bad idea, but hardly our critique of the domination by the 1%); another is a right wing supporter of Milton Friedman and Ron Paul who just wants to get rid of the Federal Reserve. Similarly the only sign quoted says Even if the world were to end tomorrow, Id still plant a tree and in this context underlines its unconcern for real political change (clamoring for nothing in particular to happen,), not its positive commitment. . With only such messages as evidence, she gets away with implying that we are ignorant about the economy, and mocks our having no demands and our wish to pantomime progressivism rather than practice it knowledgably.
Cesar
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] dangers of not having a clear message, NY Times article Sept 24, Metropolitan section, pg 1 Sunday, September 25, 2011 11:44:08 AM
Yes we need consensus on a message! It has been a week. A clear message in simple English that a majority of the 99% can understand and get behind.
On 09/25/11, Jackie DiSalvo<jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
The NY Times, which had previously published mainly a large picture of women dancing bare breasted, now printed a Sunday article by Gina Bellafante which trivializes our movement. One problem with not having demands (or goals? messages?) or spokespersons is that journalists who want to put down our movement and discourage people from joining will get away with quoting only people who make us look unserious. (There is another Times article by Colin Moynihan almost entirely about the arrests which, however, does sum up the purpose of Occupy Wall Street in 1 sentence which says we are against a financial system that participants say favors the rich and powerful over ordinary citizens.) I know the bourgeois media will always attack us, but are we doing enough to inhibit their distortions? Here she quotes a half naked woman dancing on Bway who is said to be time traveling back to 1968 and says Ive been waiting for this all my life, but the context makes dubious what shes been waiting for; someone else says she just came to create spectacles, another wants to get rid of the combustion engine (not a bad idea, but hardly our critique of the domination by the 1%); another is a right wing supporter of Milton Friedman and Ron Paul who just wants to get rid of the Federal Reserve. Similarly the only sign quoted says Even if the world were to end tomorrow, Id still plant a tree and in this context underlines its unconcern for real political change (clamoring for nothing in particular to happen,), not its positive commitment. . With only such messages as evidence, she gets away with implying that we are ignorant about the economy, and mocks our having no demands and our wish to pantomime progressivism rather than practice it knowledgably.; We need to make incontestably clear what our message is.
From: september17@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Winter Siroco Five demands from the NYCGA: how to link the struggle for democracy to the struggle for social and economic justice;
<![if !supportLists]> <![endif]>Making the banks, corporations, and the rich pay, <![if !supportLists]> <![endif]>Creating a real participatory democracy, <![if !supportLists]> <![endif]>Ending the oppression of all marginalized groups, and <![if !supportLists]> <![endif]>Promoting peace, solidarity, and economic justice.
Cesar
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jon Good september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] dangers of not having a clear message, NY Times article Sept 24, Metropolitan section, pg 1 Sunday, September 25, 2011 12:00:03 PM
These are great, but I think they can be tightened up so they are immediately accessible to anyone who reads them regardless of their age, education, or first language. OUR GOALS ARE 1) Stop the special laws that let banks and corporations take our money and resources 2) Create a real democracy of the people, by the people, and for the people 3) End oppression of all groups 4) Promote peace, solidarity, and economic justice NOTES on why I put them this way: 1) This is a simple statement of how crony capitalism works. 2) Most Americans still do believe in the promise America we learned in grade school, and so referencing Lincoln's Gettysburg Address, while somewhat corny, will totally work. 3) "Marginalized" is a nice word for educated people to use, but it is totally meaningless (or inspires indignation) to people who don't know what it means, or have misconceptions about what it means. No groups should be oppressed. Seriously 4) Is fine the way it is On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Winter Siroco <wintersiroco@gmail.com> wrote:
I agree, perhaps it could be OUR GOALS ARE:
To end the Wall Street dictatorship and the aristocratic rights to tax exemption,
Creating a real participatory democracy, Ending the oppression of all marginalized groups, and Promoting peace, solidarity, and economic justice.
Cesar On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 11:32 AM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote:
"Making the banks, corporations, and the rich pay"
I'm afraid this will just play into the notion that we are a bunch of lazy bums! At least add "pay...their fair share."
On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 10:12 AM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: Andy Warhol was a great artist, but he is not necessarily the best guide to political strategy. He saw fame as an end in itself, which is not what we are trying to achieve here, so I think that his perspective is actually not something we want to follow. Many people may see the Times article and not look for any further information because of what they read there. Doug On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 7:49 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: Absolutely- but remember that Andy Warhol said of press coverage, don't read what they write about you, but measure it in inches. The actual information is a google away for people who are supportive. I am so happy with all the coverage, negative or not, pieces of our motives are getting out there. Well done everyone. On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 9:41 AM, Jackie DiSalvo <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> wrote: The NY Times, which had previously published mainly a large picture of women dancing bare breasted, now printed a Sunday article by Gina Bellafante which trivializes our movement. One problem with not having demands (or goals? messages?) or spokespersons is that journalists who want to put down our movement and discourage people from joining will get away with quoting only people who make us look unserious. (There is another Times article by Colin Moynihan almost entirely about the arrests which, however, does sum up the purpose of Occupy Wall Street in 1 sentence which says we are against a financial system that participants say favors the rich and powerful over ordinary citizens.)
In general though I think it's safer and true to emphasize that corporate money is controlling our government, which is no longer democratic.
Here she quotes a half naked woman dancing on Bway who is said to be time traveling back to 1968 and says Ive been waiting for this all my life, but the context makes dubious what shes been waiting for; someone else says
she just came to create spectacles, another wants to get rid of the combustion engine (not a bad idea, but hardly our critique of the domination by the 1%); another is a right wing supporter of Milton Friedman and Ron Paul who just wants to get rid of the Federal Reserve. Similarly the only sign quoted says Even if the world were to end tomorrow, Id still plant a tree and in this context underlines its unconcern for real political change (clamoring for nothing in particular to happen,), not its positive commitment. . With only such messages as evidence, she gets away with implying that we are ignorant about the economy, and mocks our having no demands and our wish to pantomime progressivism rather than practice it knowledgably.
Ending the oppression of all marginalized groups, and
Promoting peace, solidarity, and economic justice.
Cesar
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Luis Moreno-Caballud september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] dangers of not having a clear message, NY Times article Sept 24, Metropolitan section, pg 1 Sunday, September 25, 2011 3:17:49 PM
Yes, that article in the NYT is really misinformed. David Graeber published a great one today: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/sep/25/occupy-wallstreet-protest?newsfeed=true On Sep 25, 2011, at 9:41 AM, Jackie DiSalvo wrote: The NY Times, which had previously published mainly a large picture of women dancing bare breasted, now printed a Sunday article by Gina Bellafante which trivializes our movement. One problem with not having demands (or goals? messages?) or spokespersons is that journalists who want to put down our movement and discourage people from joining will get away with quoting only people who make us look unserious. (There is another Times article by Colin Moynihan almost entirely about the arrests which, however, does sum up the purpose of Occupy Wall Street in 1 sentence which says we are against a financial system that participants say favors the rich and powerful over ordinary citizens.) I know the bourgeois media will always attack us, but are we doing enough to inhibit their distortions? Here she quotes a half naked woman dancing on Bway who is said to be time traveling back to 1968 and says Ive been waiting for this all my life, but the context makes dubious what shes been waiting for; someone else says she just came to create spectacles, another wants to get rid of the combustion engine (not a bad idea, but hardly our critique of the domination by the 1%); another is a right wing supporter of Milton Friedman and Ron Paul who just wants to get rid of the Federal Reserve. Similarly the only sign quoted says Even if the world were to end tomorrow, Id still plant a tree and in this context underlines its unconcern for real political change (clamoring for nothing in particular to happen,), not its positive commitment. . With only such messages as evidence, she gets away with implying that we are ignorant about the economy, and mocks our having no demands and our wish to pantomime progressivism rather than practice it knowledgably. We need to make incontestably clear what our message is.
 Creating a real participatory democracy,
 Making the banks, corporations, and the rich pay,
 Ending the oppression of all marginalized groups, and
 Promoting peace, solidarity, and economic justice. Cesar
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] dangers of not having a clear message, NY Times article Sept 24, Metropolitan section, pg 1 Sunday, September 25, 2011 9:49:17 AM
Absolutely- but remember that Andy Warhol said of press coverage, don't read what they write about you, but measure it in inches. The actual information is a google away for people who are supportive. I am so happy with all the coverage, negative or not, pieces of our motives are getting out there. Well done everyone. On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 9:41 AM, Jackie DiSalvo <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> wrote: The NY Times, which had previously published mainly a large picture of women dancing bare breasted, now printed a Sunday article by Gina Bellafante which trivializes our movement. One problem with not having demands (or goals? messages?) or spokespersons is that journalists who want to put down our movement and discourage people from joining will get away with quoting only people who make us look unserious. (There is another Times article by Colin Moynihan almost entirely about the arrests which, however, does sum up the purpose of Occupy Wall Street in 1 sentence which says we are against a financial system that participants say favors the rich and powerful over ordinary citizens.)
Here she quotes a half naked woman dancing on Bway who is said to be time traveling back to 1968 and says Ive been waiting for this all my life, but the context makes dubious what shes been waiting for; someone else says she just came to create spectacles, another wants to get rid of the combustion engine (not a bad idea, but hardly our critique of the domination by the 1%); another is a right wing supporter of Milton Friedman and Ron Paul who just wants to get rid of the Federal Reserve. Similarly the only sign quoted says Even if the world were to end tomorrow, Id still plant a tree and in this context underlines its unconcern for real political change (clamoring for nothing in particular to happen,), not its positive commitment. . With only such messages as evidence, she gets away with implying that we are ignorant about the economy, and mocks our having no demands and our wish to pantomime progressivism rather than practice it knowledgably.
Cesar
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Demand and Principles of Solidarity Monday, September 26, 2011 6:59:24 PM
+1 On 09/26/11, grimwomyn<grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: I need to second that, if you are reading on twitter what is exciting people across the country about this is the anti-corporate focus of the movement: http://twitter.com/#!/search/realtime/%23occupytogether they are calling it an "economic civil rights movement" we are responsible to those people who have been inspired by us, adbusters, and ultimately, their family and friends who spread the message to them-We are in a big picture moment and we need simple clarity to deliver. Simple, like someone said, two words, I propose three: End Corporate Control All the other points for discussion will be incorporated into the arguments surrounding what ending corporate control means. So you are not ending discussion on any of those points, but introducing a platform so broadly defined that all of those points will make the million national discussions that will erupt as a result. On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Will <william.russell.v@gmail.com> wrote: Hey everyone, I find this draft extremely problematic. First of all, it makes no attempt to link any of the issues raised to Wall Street, which is really what unifies us at Occupy Wall Street and also is not difficult to do given the centrality of Wall Street in our system and in the economic crisis. Second, it makes virtually no mention of the war on the working class and the poor nor any mention to the politics of austerity. A few comments on some individual points. It's mention of "personal responsibility" is code for the right even if it's countered by "collective responsibility." The statement "redefining how labor is valued" is ambiguous and can be interpreted in a number of ways and is a far cry from the pro labor, pro working class message I think we agree we want to be sending, even as that message does not advocate the union bureaucracy. I could go on but I'll leave it at that. I can tell you that this does not even close to encapsulating the reasons why I signed up for Occupy Wall Street, and I can assure you there there are many other folks who have put an immense amount of work into this who feel the same way. Peace and solidarity, Will
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jon Good september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Demands Discussion Monday, September 26, 2011 11:25:09 AM
I'll print these, no problem. Congratulations on the baby. Solidarity, Jon On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 11:17 AM, Snafu <snafu@thething.it> wrote: Hi Jon, thank you for taking care of this I am pasting my most recent draft below. Unfortunately I cannot attend as I am a father of a baby born on Sept 17 who needs a lot of care. I have attended several prep meetings in August so several people know me.
- Housing is a human right. Halt all foreclosures due to predatory lending and unpaid medical bills. - Stop gambling people's savings on Wall Street. Reinstate the 1933 Glass-Steagall Act that separates investment banking from commercial banking. - Tax all financial transactions as we tax all salable goods through. Introduce a Robin Hood Tax on all financial transactions now. - Pair the taxes on long-term capital gains to the income tax. Repeal the Tax Reconciliation Act now. - Corporations are not and will never be people. End corporate personhood under the 14th Amendment. - Ban all corporate funding to political candidates. Enable each taxpayer and citizen to donate the same amount of money to a candidate or party of his or her choice. - Radical reform of the electoral system. Enable new political formations to compete on an equal foot with the two major parties.
On 9/26/11 10:44 AM, Jon Good wrote: I'd like to print my formulation out on papers to be distributed to the GA. Please send me other formulations and I'll print them out too. Unless folks specifically want their names tied in with their proposals, I'll give them all numbers or letters or something so that the content is
not influenced by the people putting it forward. Solidarity, Jon On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 10:35 AM, Amin Husain <amin.husain@gmail.com> wrote: All, I am sure I know many of you (e.g. Cesar, Isham, etc.) from Liberty Square. I am on the facilitation working group and others. I agree with all of you on the urgency of demands and/or vision/goals. I think that process can run parallel with Principles of Solidarity. I also think the Communique statement looks great as it has been revised (reserving judgment on the specific items mentioned, for the moment). I note that there is a consensus that the issue of demands/vision/goals in the context (or not) of the communique is on the agenda and should be so this evening at 7pm. If so, from the email exchanges, I think that is going to be a very difficult GA because of the competing approaches and understandings. I am concerned we will not get far enough. If I may respectfully suggest, in the interest of moving the discussion and its resolution along, that those who have proposed specific formulations here or at the GA to familiarize themselves with the competing proposal and try to be ready to make friendly amendment and get on board one or the other competing proposals, and have suggestions as point of compromise. This may help a great deal. Recognize that the GA, from experience, gets paralyzed if there are competing proposals to the body. We are likely to end up going in circles, and that may cause great damage to the cause, because people that are sitting in new on the GA will not like what they see. This is just a suggestion. We are doing great, and we can figure this out. I will say this. Let us not panic or get frustrated about not having demands; let's work hard on formulating them as soon as possible. Amin
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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Amin Husain september17@googlegroups.com september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Demands Discussion Monday, September 26, 2011 11:42:47 AM
That's a good starting point. On Sep 26, 2011, at 11:14 AM, Cesar <wintersiroco@gmail.com> wrote: Jon I am not discussing your proposal or that of anybody else, Just saying lets go with one that already has a lot of support. Sent from phone
On Sep 26, 2011, at 10:44 AM, Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com> wrote: I'd like to print my formulation out on papers to be distributed to the GA. Please send me other formulations and I'll print them out too. Unless folks specifically want their names tied in with their proposals, I'll give them all numbers or letters or something so that the content is not influenced by the people putting it forward. Solidarity, Jon On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 10:35 AM, Amin Husain <amin.husain@gmail.com> wrote: All, I am sure I know many of you (e.g. Cesar, Isham, etc.) from Liberty Square. I am on the facilitation working group and others. I agree with all of you on the urgency of demands and/or vision/goals. I think that process can run parallel with Principles of Solidarity. I also think the Communique statement looks great as it has been revised (reserving judgment on the specific items mentioned, for the moment). I note that there is a consensus that the issue of demands/vision/goals in the context (or not) of the communique is on the agenda and should be so this evening at 7pm. If so, from the email exchanges, I think that is going to be a very difficult GA because of the competing approaches and understandings. I am concerned we will not get far enough. If I may respectfully suggest, in the interest of moving the discussion and its resolution
along, that those who have proposed specific formulations here or at the GA to familiarize themselves with the competing proposal and try to be ready to make friendly amendment and get on board one or the other competing proposals, and have suggestions as point of compromise. This may help a great deal. Recognize that the GA, from experience, gets paralyzed if there are competing proposals to the body. We are likely to end up going in circles, and that may cause great damage to the cause, because people that are sitting in new on the GA will not like what they see. This is just a suggestion. We are doing great, and we can figure this out. I will say this. Let us not panic or get frustrated about not having demands; let's work hard on formulating them as soon as possible. Amin
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Amin Husain september17@googlegroups.com september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Demands Discussion Monday, September 26, 2011 11:42:09 AM
So long as the effort is coordinated it's all good On Sep 26, 2011, at 11:03 AM, Cesar <wintersiroco@gmail.com> wrote: > I do not see the competition there is a short document with a LOT of inputs fom different people Who agrees online and in person. We will present this online or this afternoon. Isham, whitehat or Micael, please post the doc if u r reaading > Cesar > > Sent from phone > > > > > On Sep 26, 2011, at 10:35 AM, Amin Husain <amin.husain@gmail.com> wrote: > >> All, >> >> I am sure I know many of you (e.g. Cesar, Isham, etc.) from Liberty Square. I am on the facilitation working group and others. I agree with all of you on the urgency of demands and/or vision/goals. I think that process can run parallel with Principles of Solidarity. I also think the Communique statement looks great as it has been revised (reserving judgment on the specific items mentioned, for the moment). I note that there is a consensus that the issue of demands/vision/goals in the context (or not) of the communique is on the agenda and should be so this evening at 7pm. If so, from the email exchanges, I think that is going to be a very difficult GA because of the competing approaches and understandings. I am concerned we will not get far enough. If I may respectfully suggest, in the interest of moving the discussion and its resolution along, that those who have proposed specific formulations here or at the GA to familiarize themselves with the competing proposal and try to be ready to make friendly amendment and get on board one or the other competing proposals, and have suggestions as point of compromise. This may help a great deal. Recognize that the GA, from experience, gets paralyzed if there are competing proposals to the body. We are likely to end up going in circles, and that may cause great damage to the cause, because people that are sitting in new on the GA will not like what they see. This is just a suggestion. We are doing great, and we can figure this out. I will say this. Let us not panic or get frustrated about not having demands; let's work hard on formulating them as soon as possible. >> >> Amin
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Demands Discussion Monday, September 26, 2011 6:47:16 PM
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On 09/26/11, Amin Husain<amin.husain@gmail.com> wrote: All, I am sure I know many of you (e.g. Cesar, Isham, etc.) from Liberty Square. I am on the facilitation working group and others. I agree with all of you on the urgency of demands and/or vision/goals. I think that process can run parallel with Principles of Solidarity. I also think the Communique statement looks great as it has been revised (reserving judgment on the specific items mentioned, for the moment). I note that there is a consensus that the issue of demands/vision/goals in the context (or not) of the communique is on the agenda and should be so this evening at 7pm. If so, from the email exchanges, I think that is going to be a very difficult GA because of the competing approaches and understandings. I am concerned we will not get far enough. If I may respectfully suggest, in the interest of moving the discussion and its resolution along, that those who have proposed specific formulations here or at the GA to familiarize themselves with the competing proposal and try to be ready to make friendly amendment and get on board one or the other competing proposals, and have suggestions as point of compromise. This may help a great deal. Recognize that the GA, from experience, gets paralyzed if there are competing proposals to the body. We are likely to end up going in circles, and that may cause great damage to the cause, because people that are sitting in new on the GA will not like what they see. This is just a suggestion. We are doing great, and we can figure this out. I will say this. Let us not panic or get frustrated about not having demands; let's work hard on formulating them as soon as possible. Amin
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jon Good september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Demands Discussion Monday, September 26, 2011 10:44:59 AM
I'd like to print my formulation out on papers to be distributed to the GA. Please send me other formulations and I'll print them out too. Unless folks specifically want their names tied in with their proposals, I'll give them all numbers or letters or something so that the content is not influenced by the people putting it forward. Solidarity, Jon On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 10:35 AM, Amin Husain <amin.husain@gmail.com> wrote: All, I am sure I know many of you (e.g. Cesar, Isham, etc.) from Liberty Square. I am on the facilitation working group and others. I agree with all of you on the urgency of demands and/or vision/goals. I think that process can run parallel with Principles of Solidarity. I also think the Communique statement looks great as it has been revised (reserving judgment on the specific items mentioned, for the moment). I note that there is a consensus that the issue of demands/vision/goals in the context (or not) of the communique is on the agenda and should be so this evening at 7pm. If so, from the email exchanges, I think that is going to be a very difficult GA because of the competing approaches and understandings. I am concerned we will not get far enough. If I may respectfully suggest, in the interest of moving the discussion and its resolution along, that those who have proposed specific formulations here or at the GA to familiarize themselves with the competing proposal and try to be ready to make friendly amendment and get on board one or the other competing proposals, and have suggestions as point of compromise. This may help a great deal. Recognize that the GA, from experience, gets paralyzed if there are competing proposals to the body. We are likely to end up going in circles, and that may cause great damage to the cause, because people that are sitting in new on the GA will not like what they see. This is just a suggestion. We are doing great, and we can figure this out. I will say this. Let us not panic or get frustrated about not having demands; let's work hard on formulating them as soon as possible. Amin
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Matthew Bralow september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] DEMANDS Monday, September 26, 2011 12:27:54 AM
should be brought up at tomorrow eve's GA! hopefully we can come to some type of interim resolution by end of meeting On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:23 AM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: > Agreed. I am in contact with very long-time activists and this is at the > core of their criticism. > On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:18 AM, Chuck Schumer <csr2091@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> As I have noted publicly in a number of GA's, I am downright sick, tired >> and embarrassed of the lack of concrete demands. Without specific demands, >> this is nothing but a glorified camping trip. All the negative press >> critiques this occupation for its lack of specific demands. With concrete, >> reasonable, well-explained and well-researched demands, we will be taken far >> more seriously and have more legitimacy with which to respond to attacks and >> police brutality. >> >> I understand that there is a process and that that process is slow. >> However, I have heard so many other unimportant things addressed at the GA, >> and Saturday night (when the energy from the march was so high!) there were >> two concerts going on at either end of the plaza but no productive work >> being done. At the very least, we must publish an explanation of WHY there >> are no demands yet and HOW those demands are being formulated. >> >> I'm writing this in part to relieve and express my frustration, but also >> to make it extremely clear that I consider this issue enough to consider >> implementing a block on my very involvement in this occupation. I can't keep >> justifying the work and money I am putting in to this movement, however >> beautiful and inspiring and joyous and necessary it is if there is no clear >> goal. >> >> That's all I have to say about that, I suppose. I know everyone is working >> so hard, and I love and support all of you. Nonetheless, this issue needs to >> be addressed immediately. >> > >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jon Good september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] DEMANDS Monday, September 26, 2011 12:40:35 AM
I believe we can't keep coming up with interim solutions. The world is watching us right now. We need real demands now. Something everyone from college professors to 8th graders at NYC public schools can understand and support. Here is my proposal for a sort of "hierarchy of information" where we start with one overarching message: Democracy for the people, not the corporations. Beneath that, three points of what our goals: Stop special treatment for banks, corporations, and the super-rich; Create a real democracy of the people, by the people, and for the people; Build solidarity and economic justice for all And below that, the specific action items: - Stop the housing crisis. Halt all foreclosures due to predatory lending and huge medical bills. - Stop gambling people's savings on Wall Street. Reinstate the 1933 GlassSteagall Act that separated investment banking from commercial banking. - Tax all financial transactions as we tax all goods through a sales tax. Introduce a Robin Hood Tax on all financial transactions now. - Repeal the Tax Reconciliation Act (the Bush tax cuts) now. Pair the taxes on long-term capital gains to the income tax. - Corporations are not and will never be people. End corporate personhood under the 14th Amendment. - Ban all corporate funding to political candidates. Introduce a tax bonus that allows each taxpayer to donate the same amount of money to a candidate or party of his or her choice. - Radical reform of the electoral system. Enable new political formations to compete on an equal footing with the two major parties. I hate to admit it, but words like "oppression" and even "peace" really sets off many among the 99% of the American heartland who still think we're just a bunch of crazy hippies. We're not all a bunch of crazy hippies and we have to prove that to the 99% we claim (rightfully) to represent. But that's 300 million people we have to stay in touch with. I also think that "The 99%" is a good thing to start referring to ourselves. Solidarity,
Jon On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:27 AM, Matthew Bralow <mbralow@gmail.com> wrote: should be brought up at tomorrow eve's GA! hopefully we can come to some type of interim resolution by end of meeting On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:23 AM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: > Agreed. I am in contact with very long-time activists and this is at the > core of their criticism. > On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:18 AM, Chuck Schumer <csr2091@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> As I have noted publicly in a number of GA's, I am downright sick, tired >> and embarrassed of the lack of concrete demands. Without specific demands, >> this is nothing but a glorified camping trip. All the negative press >> critiques this occupation for its lack of specific demands. With concrete, >> reasonable, well-explained and well-researched demands, we will be taken far >> more seriously and have more legitimacy with which to respond to attacks and >> police brutality. >> >> I understand that there is a process and that that process is slow. >> However, I have heard so many other unimportant things addressed at the GA, >> and Saturday night (when the energy from the march was so high!) there were >> two concerts going on at either end of the plaza but no productive work >> being done. At the very least, we must publish an explanation of WHY there >> are no demands yet and HOW those demands are being formulated. >> >> I'm writing this in part to relieve and express my frustration, but also >> to make it extremely clear that I consider this issue enough to consider >> implementing a block on my very involvement in this occupation. I can't keep >> justifying the work and money I am putting in to this movement, however >> beautiful and inspiring and joyous and necessary it is if there is no clear >> goal. >> >> That's all I have to say about that, I suppose. I know everyone is working >> so hard, and I love and support all of you. Nonetheless, this issue needs to >> be addressed immediately. >> > >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Winter Siroco september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] DEMANDS Monday, September 26, 2011 1:46:19 AM
Hi I have spent all Sunday at Liberty Plaza with the draft that we were elaborating in another thread that started as 5 demands.... I think that if the subject is the same we should keep the thread instead of starting new ones, so that we are all in the same page. I did not go for discussion/approval because of a misunderstanding of facilitators. During the morning assembly the people was very receptive go establish some general goals. For the same reasons stated here. I can not pass the draft because it ended having the input from the people at Liberty Plaza in paper. We typed in a computer/projector setup but the draft was not mailed to me. In any case it includes the major ideas posted here, but with other wording at this point. Beneath that, three points of what our goals: Stop special treatment for banks, corporations, and the super-rich; Create a real democracy of the people, by the people, and for the people; Build solidarity and economic justice for all Nevertheless, I would not present this together with an strategy to accomplish those goals. The strategies will be more contentious, but nevertheless should start to be elaborated, and probably subdivided by teams. Cesar
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:40 AM, Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com> wrote: I believe we can't keep coming up with interim solutions. The world is watching us right now. We need real demands now. Something everyone from college professors to 8th graders at NYC public schools can understand and support. Here is my proposal for a sort of "hierarchy of information" where we start with one overarching message: Democracy for the people, not the corporations. Beneath that, three points of what our goals: Stop special treatment for banks, corporations, and the super-rich; Create a real democracy of the people, by the people, and for the people; Build solidarity and economic justice for all And below that, the specific action items: - Stop the housing crisis. Halt all foreclosures due to predatory lending and huge medical bills. - Stop gambling people's savings on Wall Street. Reinstate the 1933 GlassSteagall Act that separated investment banking from commercial banking.
- Tax all financial transactions as we tax all goods through a sales tax. Introduce a Robin Hood Tax on all financial transactions now. - Repeal the Tax Reconciliation Act (the Bush tax cuts) now. Pair the taxes on long-term capital gains to the income tax. - Corporations are not and will never be people. End corporate personhood under the 14th Amendment. - Ban all corporate funding to political candidates. Introduce a tax bonus that allows each taxpayer to donate the same amount of money to a candidate or party of his or her choice. - Radical reform of the electoral system. Enable new political formations to compete on an equal footing with the two major parties. I hate to admit it, but words like "oppression" and even "peace" really sets off many among the 99% of the American heartland who still think we're just a bunch of crazy hippies. We're not all a bunch of crazy hippies and we have to prove that to the 99% we claim (rightfully) to represent. But that's 300 million people we have to stay in touch with. I also think that "The 99%" is a good thing to start referring to ourselves. Solidarity, Jon On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:27 AM, Matthew Bralow <mbralow@gmail.com> wrote: should be brought up at tomorrow eve's GA! hopefully we can come to some type of interim resolution by end of meeting On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:23 AM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: > Agreed. I am in contact with very long-time activists and this is at the > core of their criticism. > On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:18 AM, Chuck Schumer <csr2091@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> As I have noted publicly in a number of GA's, I am downright sick, tired >> and embarrassed of the lack of concrete demands. Without specific demands, >> this is nothing but a glorified camping trip. All the negative press >> critiques this occupation for its lack of specific demands. With concrete, >> reasonable, well-explained and well-researched demands, we will be taken far >> more seriously and have more legitimacy with which to respond to attacks and >> police brutality. >>
>> I understand that there is a process and that that process is slow. >> However, I have heard so many other unimportant things addressed at the GA, >> and Saturday night (when the energy from the march was so high!) there were >> two concerts going on at either end of the plaza but no productive work >> being done. At the very least, we must publish an explanation of WHY there >> are no demands yet and HOW those demands are being formulated. >> >> I'm writing this in part to relieve and express my frustration, but also >> to make it extremely clear that I consider this issue enough to consider >> implementing a block on my very involvement in this occupation. I can't keep >> justifying the work and money I am putting in to this movement, however >> beautiful and inspiring and joyous and necessary it is if there is no clear >> goal. >> >> That's all I have to say about that, I suppose. I know everyone is working >> so hard, and I love and support all of you. Nonetheless, this issue needs to >> be addressed immediately. >> > >
We got this as the first item agenda for tomorrow GA at 7. I have been following the online chats and consulting with people on the ground and I think the current draft is representative of the collective thought. It is an advanced version to the original draft that I posted, in another thread, from the team that worked on this a couple of days ago. We will try to get it also online before the GA discussion. Cesar On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 1:46 AM, Winter Siroco <wintersiroco@gmail.com> wrote: Hi I have spent all Sunday at Liberty Plaza with the draft that we were elaborating in another thread that started as 5 demands.... I think that if the subject is the same we should keep the thread instead of starting new ones, so that we are all in the same page. I did not go for discussion/approval because of a misunderstanding of facilitators. During the morning assembly the people was very receptive go establish some general goals. For the same reasons stated here. I can not pass the draft because it ended having the input from the people at Liberty Plaza in paper. We typed in a computer/projector setup but the draft was not mailed to me. In any case it includes the major ideas posted here, but with other wording at this point. Beneath that, three points of what our goals: Stop special treatment for banks, corporations, and the super-rich; Create a real democracy of the people, by the people, and for the people; Build solidarity and economic justice for all Nevertheless, I would not present this together with an strategy to accomplish those goals. The strategies will be more contentious, but nevertheless should start to be elaborated, and probably subdivided by teams. Cesar
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:40 AM, Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com> wrote: I believe we can't keep coming up with interim solutions. The world is watching us right now. We need real demands now. Something everyone from college professors to 8th graders at NYC public schools can understand and support. Here is my proposal for a sort of "hierarchy of information" where we start with one overarching message: Democracy for the people, not the corporations. Beneath that, three points of what our goals: Stop special treatment for banks, corporations, and the super-rich;
Create a real democracy of the people, by the people, and for the people; Build solidarity and economic justice for all And below that, the specific action items: - Stop the housing crisis. Halt all foreclosures due to predatory lending and huge medical bills. - Stop gambling people's savings on Wall Street. Reinstate the 1933 Glass-Steagall Act that separated investment banking from commercial banking. - Tax all financial transactions as we tax all goods through a sales tax. Introduce a Robin Hood Tax on all financial transactions now. - Repeal the Tax Reconciliation Act (the Bush tax cuts) now. Pair the taxes on long-term capital gains to the income tax. - Corporations are not and will never be people. End corporate personhood under the 14th Amendment. - Ban all corporate funding to political candidates. Introduce a tax bonus that allows each taxpayer to donate the same amount of money to a candidate or party of his or her choice. - Radical reform of the electoral system. Enable new political formations to compete on an equal footing with the two major parties. I hate to admit it, but words like "oppression" and even "peace" really sets off many among the 99% of the American heartland who still think we're just a bunch of crazy hippies. We're not all a bunch of crazy hippies and we have to prove that to the 99% we claim (rightfully) to represent. But that's 300 million people we have to stay in touch with. I also think that "The 99%" is a good thing to start referring to ourselves. Solidarity, Jon On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:27 AM, Matthew Bralow <mbralow@gmail.com> wrote: should be brought up at tomorrow eve's GA! hopefully we can come to some type of interim resolution by end of meeting On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:23 AM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: > Agreed. I am in contact with very long-time activists and this is at the > core of their criticism. > On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:18 AM, Chuck Schumer <csr2091@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> As I have noted publicly in a number of GA's, I am downright sick, tired
>> and embarrassed of the lack of concrete demands. Without specific demands, >> this is nothing but a glorified camping trip. All the negative press >> critiques this occupation for its lack of specific demands. With concrete, >> reasonable, well-explained and well-researched demands, we will be taken far >> more seriously and have more legitimacy with which to respond to attacks and >> police brutality. >> >> I understand that there is a process and that that process is slow. >> However, I have heard so many other unimportant things addressed at the GA, >> and Saturday night (when the energy from the march was so high!) there were >> two concerts going on at either end of the plaza but no productive work >> being done. At the very least, we must publish an explanation of WHY there >> are no demands yet and HOW those demands are being formulated. >> >> I'm writing this in part to relieve and express my frustration, but also >> to make it extremely clear that I consider this issue enough to consider >> implementing a block on my very involvement in this occupation. I can't keep >> justifying the work and money I am putting in to this movement, however >> beautiful and inspiring and joyous and necessary it is if there is no clear >> goal. >> >> That's all I have to say about that, I suppose. I know everyone is working >> so hard, and I love and support all of you. Nonetheless, this issue needs to >> be addressed immediately. >> > >
That's awesome. GA at 7 AM or PM? On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 1:51 AM, Winter Siroco <wintersiroco@gmail.com> wrote: We got this as the first item agenda for tomorrow GA at 7. I have been following the online chats and consulting with people on the ground and I think the current draft is representative of the collective thought. It is an advanced version to the original draft that I posted, in another thread, from the team that worked on this a couple of days ago. We will try to get it also online before the GA discussion. Cesar On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 1:46 AM, Winter Siroco <wintersiroco@gmail.com> wrote: Hi I have spent all Sunday at Liberty Plaza with the draft that we were elaborating in another thread that started as 5 demands.... I think that if the subject is the same we should keep the thread instead of starting new ones, so that we are all in the same page. I did not go for discussion/approval because of a misunderstanding of facilitators. During the morning assembly the people was very receptive go establish some general goals. For the same reasons stated here. I can not pass the draft because it ended having the input from the people at Liberty Plaza in paper. We typed in a computer/projector setup but the draft was not mailed to me. In any case it includes the major ideas posted here, but with other wording at this point. Beneath that, three points of what our goals: Stop special treatment for banks, corporations, and the super-rich; Create a real democracy of the people, by the people, and for the people; Build solidarity and economic justice for all Nevertheless, I would not present this together with an strategy to accomplish those goals. The strategies will be more contentious, but nevertheless should start to be elaborated, and probably subdivided by teams. Cesar
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:40 AM, Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com> wrote: I believe we can't keep coming up with interim solutions. The world is watching us right now. We need real demands now. Something everyone from college professors to 8th graders at NYC public schools can understand and support.
Here is my proposal for a sort of "hierarchy of information" where we start with one overarching message: Democracy for the people, not the corporations. Beneath that, three points of what our goals: Stop special treatment for banks, corporations, and the super-rich; Create a real democracy of the people, by the people, and for the people; Build solidarity and economic justice for all And below that, the specific action items: - Stop the housing crisis. Halt all foreclosures due to predatory lending and huge medical bills. - Stop gambling people's savings on Wall Street. Reinstate the 1933 Glass-Steagall Act that separated investment banking from commercial banking. - Tax all financial transactions as we tax all goods through a sales tax. Introduce a Robin Hood Tax on all financial transactions now. - Repeal the Tax Reconciliation Act (the Bush tax cuts) now. Pair the taxes on long-term capital gains to the income tax. - Corporations are not and will never be people. End corporate personhood under the 14th Amendment. - Ban all corporate funding to political candidates. Introduce a tax bonus that allows each taxpayer to donate the same amount of money to a candidate or party of his or her choice. - Radical reform of the electoral system. Enable new political formations to compete on an equal footing with the two major parties. I hate to admit it, but words like "oppression" and even "peace" really sets off many among the 99% of the American heartland who still think we're just a bunch of crazy hippies. We're not all a bunch of crazy hippies and we have to prove that to the 99% we claim (rightfully) to represent. But that's 300 million people we have to stay in touch with. I also think that "The 99%" is a good thing to start referring to ourselves. Solidarity, Jon On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:27 AM, Matthew Bralow <mbralow@gmail.com> wrote: should be brought up at tomorrow eve's GA! hopefully we can come to some type of interim resolution by end of meeting On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:23 AM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com>
wrote: > Agreed. I am in contact with very long-time activists and this is at the > core of their criticism. > On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:18 AM, Chuck Schumer <csr2091@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> As I have noted publicly in a number of GA's, I am downright sick, tired >> and embarrassed of the lack of concrete demands. Without specific demands, >> this is nothing but a glorified camping trip. All the negative press >> critiques this occupation for its lack of specific demands. With concrete, >> reasonable, well-explained and well-researched demands, we will be taken far >> more seriously and have more legitimacy with which to respond to attacks and >> police brutality. >> >> I understand that there is a process and that that process is slow. >> However, I have heard so many other unimportant things addressed at the GA, >> and Saturday night (when the energy from the march was so high!) there were >> two concerts going on at either end of the plaza but no productive work >> being done. At the very least, we must publish an explanation of WHY there >> are no demands yet and HOW those demands are being formulated. >> >> I'm writing this in part to relieve and express my frustration, but also >> to make it extremely clear that I consider this issue enough to consider >> implementing a block on my very involvement in this occupation. I can't keep >> justifying the work and money I am putting in to this movement, however >> beautiful and inspiring and joyous and necessary it is if there is no clear >> goal. >> >> That's all I have to say about that, I suppose. I know everyone is working >> so hard, and I love and support all of you. Nonetheless, this issue needs to >> be addressed immediately. >> > >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of gail zawacki september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] DEMANDS Monday, September 26, 2011 8:18:21 AM
"Everyone already knows we want universal health care, egalitarian rights, universal shelter, universal sustenance."
Everyone does NOT know that. Keep it Simple - What is our one Simple Demand? Get corporate money out of politics. All other things will follow if this country turns back into a real democracy - the reason it isn't a democracy anymore is corporate money influencing the political process. If there was no health care lobbying we would have universal health care. If there was no fossil fuel lobbying we would have climate science instead of lies. We would have regulations and legislation. If there was no lobbying by Lockheed Martin and Blackwater - the profiteers of war we wouldn't have war. If banks didn't have lobbying we wouldn't have had the bubbles and the housing crisis. Etc. This does not need to be enumerated, because individually it will be contentious as someone already noted. But one person one vote is something Americans of all stripes can agree on - and a people's government will follow that can thrash out the details. So, the simple demand is corporate (and this includes the banks) money out of politics. No more campaign contributions, political ads, funding of "think tanks" or "foundations" producing political ads. All money for politics comes from actual human voters, with limits on spending. Now that WOULD be a revolution. Woke up with this on my mind! On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 3:15 AM, Jackie DiSalvo <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> wrote: But some of us are at New Yorkers Against Budget Cuts at 6:30- also in the park. How will that work?
From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Winter Siroco Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 1:52 AM To: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [september17discuss] DEMANDS
We got this as the first item agenda for tomorrow GA at 7. I have been following the online chats and consulting with people on the ground and I think the current draft is representative of the collective thought. It is an advanced version to the original draft that I posted, in another thread, from the team that worked on this a couple of days ago. We will try to get it also online before the GA discussion.
Cesar On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 1:46 AM, Winter Siroco <wintersiroco@gmail.com> wrote: Hi I have spent all Sunday at Liberty Plaza with the draft that we were elaborating in another thread that started as 5 demands.... I think that if the subject is the same we should keep the thread instead of starting new ones, so that we are all in the same page.
I did not go for discussion/approval because of a misunderstanding of facilitators. During the morning assembly the people was very receptive go establish some general goals. For the same reasons stated here.
I can not pass the draft because it ended having the input from the people at Liberty Plaza in paper. We typed in a computer/projector setup but the draft was not mailed to me. In any case it includes the major ideas posted here, but with other wording at this point.
Beneath that, three points of what our goals: Stop special treatment for banks, corporations, and the super-rich; Create a real democracy of the people, by the people, and for the people; Build solidarity and economic justice for all
Nevertheless, I would not present this together with an strategy to accomplish those goals. The strategies will be more contentious, but nevertheless should start to be elaborated, and
probably subdivided by teams.
Cesar
Here is my proposal for a sort of "hierarchy of information" where we start with one overarching message: Democracy for the people, not the corporations.
And below that, the specific action items: - Stop the housing crisis. Halt all foreclosures due to predatory lending and huge medical bills. - Stop gambling people's savings on Wall Street. Reinstate the 1933 Glass-Steagall Act that separated investment banking from commercial banking. - Tax all financial transactions as we tax all goods through a sales tax. Introduce a Robin Hood Tax on all financial transactions now. - Repeal the Tax Reconciliation Act (the Bush tax cuts) now. Pair the taxes on longterm capital gains to the income tax. - Corporations are not and will never be people. End corporate personhood under the 14th Amendment.
- Ban all corporate funding to political candidates. Introduce a tax bonus that allows each taxpayer to donate the same amount of money to a candidate or party of his or her choice. - Radical reform of the electoral system. Enable new political formations to compete on an equal footing with the two major parties.
I hate to admit it, but words like "oppression" and even "peace" really sets off many among the 99% of the American heartland who still think we're just a bunch of crazy hippies. We're not all a bunch of crazy hippies and we have to prove that to the 99% we claim (rightfully) to represent. But that's 300 million people we have to stay in touch with.
I also think that "The 99%" is a good thing to start referring to ourselves.
Solidarity,
Jon
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:27 AM, Matthew Bralow <mbralow@gmail.com> wrote: should be brought up at tomorrow eve's GA! hopefully we can come to some type of interim resolution by end of meeting On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:23 AM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: > Agreed. I am in contact with very long-time activists and this is at the > core of their criticism. > On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:18 AM, Chuck Schumer <csr2091@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> As I have noted publicly in a number of GA's, I am downright sick, tired >> and embarrassed of the lack of concrete demands. Without specific demands, >> this is nothing but a glorified camping trip. All the negative press >> critiques this occupation for its lack of specific demands. With concrete, >> reasonable, well-explained and well-researched demands, we will be taken far >> more seriously and have more legitimacy with which to respond to attacks and >> police brutality. >> >> I understand that there is a process and that that process is slow. >> However, I have heard so many other unimportant things addressed at the GA,
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >
and Saturday night (when the energy from the march was so high!) there were two concerts going on at either end of the plaza but no productive work being done. At the very least, we must publish an explanation of WHY there are no demands yet and HOW those demands are being formulated. I'm writing this in part to relieve and express my frustration, but also to make it extremely clear that I consider this issue enough to consider implementing a block on my very involvement in this occupation. I can't keep justifying the work and money I am putting in to this movement, however beautiful and inspiring and joyous and necessary it is if there is no clear goal. That's all I have to say about that, I suppose. I know everyone is working so hard, and I love and support all of you. Nonetheless, this issue needs to be addressed immediately.
+1 Gail
On Sep 26, 2011, at 8:18 AM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote:

"Everyone already knows we want universal health care, egalitarian rights, universal shelter, universal sustenance."
Everyone does NOT know that. Keep it Simple - What is our one Simple Demand? Get corporate money out of politics. All other things will follow if this country turns back into a real democracy the reason it isn't a democracy anymore is corporate money influencing the political process. If there was no health care lobbying we would have universal health care. If there was no fossil fuel lobbying we would have climate science instead of lies. We would have regulations and legislation. If there was no lobbying by Lockheed Martin and Blackwater - the profiteers of war - we wouldn't have war. If banks didn't have lobbying we wouldn't have had the bubbles and the housing crisis. Etc. This does not need to be enumerated, because individually it will be contentious as someone already noted. But one person one vote is something Americans of all stripes can agree on - and a people's government will follow that can thrash out the details. So, the simple demand is corporate (and this includes the banks) money out of politics. No more campaign contributions, political ads, funding of "think tanks" or "foundations" producing political ads. All money for politics comes from actual human voters, with limits on spending. Now that WOULD be a revolution.
Woke up with this on my mind! On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 3:15 AM, Jackie DiSalvo <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> wrote: But some of us are at New Yorkers Against Budget Cuts at 6:30- also in the park. How will that work?
We got this as the first item agenda for tomorrow GA at 7. I have been following the online chats and consulting with people on the ground and I think the current draft is representative of the collective thought. It is an advanced version to the original draft that I posted, in another thread, from the team that worked on this a couple of days ago. We will try to get it also online before the GA discussion.
Cesar On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 1:46 AM, Winter Siroco <wintersiroco@gmail.com> wrote: Hi I have spent all Sunday at Liberty Plaza with the draft that we were elaborating in another thread that started as 5 demands.... I think that if the subject is the same we should keep the thread instead of starting new ones, so that we are all in the same page.
I did not go for discussion/approval because of a misunderstanding of facilitators. During the morning assembly the people was very receptive go establish some general goals. For the same reasons stated here.
I can not pass the draft because it ended having the input from the people at Liberty Plaza in paper. We typed in a computer/projector setup but the draft was not mailed to me. In any case it includes the major ideas posted here, but with other wording at this point.
Nevertheless, I would not present this together with an strategy to accomplish those goals. The strategies will be more contentious, but nevertheless should start to be elaborated, and probably subdivided by teams.
Cesar
Here is my proposal for a sort of "hierarchy of information" where we start with one overarching message: Democracy for the people, not the corporations.
And below that, the specific action items:

- Stop the housing crisis. Halt all foreclosures due to predatory lending and huge medical bills. - Stop gambling people's savings on Wall Street. Reinstate the 1933 GlassSteagall Act that separated investment banking from commercial banking. - Tax all financial transactions as we tax all goods through a sales tax. Introduce a Robin Hood Tax on all financial transactions now. - Repeal the Tax Reconciliation Act (the Bush tax cuts) now. Pair the taxes on long-term capital gains to the income tax. - Corporations are not and will never be people. End corporate personhood under the 14th Amendment. - Ban all corporate funding to political candidates. Introduce a tax bonus that allows each taxpayer to donate the same amount of money to a candidate or party of his or her choice. - Radical reform of the electoral system. Enable new political formations to compete on an equal footing with the two major parties.
I hate to admit it, but words like "oppression" and even "peace" really sets off many among the 99% of the American heartland who still think we're just a bunch of crazy hippies. We're not all a bunch of crazy hippies and we have to prove that to the 99% we claim (rightfully) to represent. But that's 300 million people we have to stay in touch with.
I also think that "The 99%" is a good thing to start referring to ourselves.
Solidarity,
Jon
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:27 AM, Matthew Bralow <mbralow@gmail.com> wrote: should be brought up at tomorrow eve's GA! hopefully we can come to some type of interim resolution by end of meeting
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:23 AM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: > Agreed. I am in contact with very long-time activists and this is at the > core of their criticism. > On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:18 AM, Chuck Schumer <csr2091@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> As I have noted publicly in a number of GA's, I am downright sick, tired >> and embarrassed of the lack of concrete demands. Without specific demands, >> this is nothing but a glorified camping trip. All the negative press >> critiques this occupation for its lack of specific demands. With concrete, >> reasonable, well-explained and well-researched demands, we will be taken far >> more seriously and have more legitimacy with which to respond to attacks and >> police brutality. >> >> I understand that there is a process and that that process is slow. >> However, I have heard so many other unimportant things addressed at the GA, >> and Saturday night (when the energy from the march was so high!) there were >> two concerts going on at either end of the plaza but no productive work >> being done. At the very least, we must publish an explanation of WHY there >> are no demands yet and HOW those demands are being formulated. >> >> I'm writing this in part to relieve and express my frustration, but also >> to make it extremely clear that I consider this issue enough to consider >> implementing a block on my very involvement in this occupation. I can't keep >> justifying the work and money I am putting in to this movement, however >> beautiful and inspiring and joyous and necessary it is if there is no clear >> goal. >> >> That's all I have to say about that, I suppose. I know everyone is working >> so hard, and I love and support all of you. Nonetheless, this issue needs to >> be addressed immediately. >> > >
It will be 7 pm. I hope the concise set of goals is approved, people continues working and we consolidate valuable endorsements/collaborations. The discussion about specific strategies to accomplish the goals should continue. Cesar On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 1:54 AM, Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com> wrote: That's awesome. GA at 7 AM or PM? On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 1:51 AM, Winter Siroco <wintersiroco@gmail.com> wrote: We got this as the first item agenda for tomorrow GA at 7. I have been following the online chats and consulting with people on the ground and I think the current draft is representative of the collective thought. It is an advanced version to the original draft that I posted, in another thread, from the team that worked on this a couple of days ago. We will try to get it also online before the GA discussion. Cesar On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 1:46 AM, Winter Siroco <wintersiroco@gmail.com> wrote: Hi I have spent all Sunday at Liberty Plaza with the draft that we were elaborating in another thread that started as 5 demands.... I think that if the subject is the same we should keep the thread instead of starting new ones, so that we are all in the same page. I did not go for discussion/approval because of a misunderstanding of facilitators. During the morning assembly the people was very receptive go establish some general goals. For the same reasons stated here. I can not pass the draft because it ended having the input from the people at Liberty Plaza in paper. We typed in a computer/projector setup but the draft was not mailed to me. In any case it includes the major ideas posted here, but with other wording at this point. Beneath that, three points of what our goals: Stop special treatment for banks, corporations, and the super-rich; Create a real democracy of the people, by the people, and for the people; Build solidarity and economic justice for all Nevertheless, I would not present this together with an strategy to accomplish those goals. The strategies will be more contentious, but nevertheless should start to be elaborated, and probably subdivided by teams.
Cesar
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:40 AM, Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com> wrote: I believe we can't keep coming up with interim solutions. The world is watching us right now. We need real demands now. Something everyone from college professors to 8th graders at NYC public schools can understand and support. Here is my proposal for a sort of "hierarchy of information" where we start with one overarching message: Democracy for the people, not the corporations. Beneath that, three points of what our goals: Stop special treatment for banks, corporations, and the super-rich; Create a real democracy of the people, by the people, and for the people; Build solidarity and economic justice for all And below that, the specific action items: - Stop the housing crisis. Halt all foreclosures due to predatory lending and huge medical bills. - Stop gambling people's savings on Wall Street. Reinstate the 1933 Glass-Steagall Act that separated investment banking from commercial banking. - Tax all financial transactions as we tax all goods through a sales tax. Introduce a Robin Hood Tax on all financial transactions now. - Repeal the Tax Reconciliation Act (the Bush tax cuts) now. Pair the taxes on long-term capital gains to the income tax. - Corporations are not and will never be people. End corporate personhood under the 14th Amendment. - Ban all corporate funding to political candidates. Introduce a tax bonus that allows each taxpayer to donate the same amount of money to a candidate or party of his or her choice. - Radical reform of the electoral system. Enable new political formations to compete on an equal footing with the two major parties. I hate to admit it, but words like "oppression" and even "peace" really sets off many among the 99% of the American heartland who still think we're just a bunch of crazy hippies. We're not all a bunch of crazy hippies and we have to prove that to the 99% we claim (rightfully) to represent. But that's 300 million people we have to stay in touch with.
I also think that "The 99%" is a good thing to start referring to ourselves. Solidarity, Jon On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:27 AM, Matthew Bralow <mbralow@gmail.com> wrote: should be brought up at tomorrow eve's GA! hopefully we can come to some type of interim resolution by end of meeting On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:23 AM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: > Agreed. I am in contact with very long-time activists and this is at the > core of their criticism. > On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:18 AM, Chuck Schumer <csr2091@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> As I have noted publicly in a number of GA's, I am downright sick, tired >> and embarrassed of the lack of concrete demands. Without specific demands, >> this is nothing but a glorified camping trip. All the negative press >> critiques this occupation for its lack of specific demands. With concrete, >> reasonable, well-explained and well-researched demands, we will be taken far >> more seriously and have more legitimacy with which to respond to attacks and >> police brutality. >> >> I understand that there is a process and that that process is slow. >> However, I have heard so many other unimportant things addressed at the GA, >> and Saturday night (when the energy from the march was so high!) there were >> two concerts going on at either end of the plaza but no productive work >> being done. At the very least, we must publish an explanation of WHY there >> are no demands yet and HOW those demands are being formulated. >> >> I'm writing this in part to relieve and express my frustration, but also >> to make it extremely clear that I consider this issue enough to consider >> implementing a block on my very involvement in this occupation. I can't keep >> justifying the work and money I am putting in to this movement, however >> beautiful and inspiring and joyous and necessary it is if there is no clear >> goal. >>
>> That's all I have to say about that, I suppose. I know everyone is working >> so hard, and I love and support all of you. Nonetheless, this issue needs to >> be addressed immediately. >> > >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of gail zawacki september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] DEMANDS Monday, September 26, 2011 12:26:01 AM
Agreed. I am in contact with very long-time activists and this is at the core of their criticism. On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:18 AM, Chuck Schumer <csr2091@gmail.com> wrote: As I have noted publicly in a number of GA's, I am downright sick, tired and embarrassed of the lack of concrete demands. Without specific demands, this is nothing but a glorified camping trip. All the negative press critiques this occupation for its lack of specific demands. With concrete, reasonable, well-explained and well-researched demands, we will be taken far more seriously and have more legitimacy with which to respond to attacks and police brutality. I understand that there is a process and that that process is slow. However, I have heard so many other unimportant things addressed at the GA, and Saturday night (when the energy from the march was so high!) there were two concerts going on at either end of the plaza but no productive work being done. At the very least, we must publish an explanation of WHY there are no demands yet and HOW those demands are being formulated. I'm writing this in part to relieve and express my frustration, but also to make it extremely clear that I consider this issue enough to consider implementing a block on my very involvement in this occupation. I can't keep justifying the work and money I am putting in to this movement, however beautiful and inspiring and joyous and necessary it is if there is no clear goal. That's all I have to say about that, I suppose. I know everyone is working so hard, and I love and support all of you. Nonetheless, this issue needs to be addressed immediately.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jackie DiSalvo september17@googlegroups.com RE: [september17discuss] DEMANDS Monday, September 26, 2011 3:16:06 AM
But some of us are at New Yorkers Against Budget Cuts at 6:30- also in the park. How will that work?
We got this as the first item agenda for tomorrow GA at 7. I have been following the online chats and consulting with people on the ground and I think the current draft is representative of the collective thought. It is an advanced version to the original draft that I posted, in another thread, from the team that worked on this a couple of days ago. We will try to get it also online before the GA discussion. Cesar On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 1:46 AM, Winter Siroco <wintersiroco@gmail.com> wrote: Hi I have spent all Sunday at Liberty Plaza with the draft that we were elaborating in another thread that started as 5 demands.... I think that if the subject is the same we should keep the thread instead of starting new ones, so that we are all in the same page. I did not go for discussion/approval because of a misunderstanding of facilitators. During the morning assembly the people was very receptive go establish some general goals. For the same reasons stated here. I can not pass the draft because it ended having the input from the people at Liberty Plaza in paper. We typed in a computer/projector setup but the draft was not mailed to me. In any case it includes the major ideas posted here, but with other wording at this point. Beneath that, three points of what our goals: Stop special treatment for banks, corporations, and the super-rich; Create a real democracy of the people, by the people, and for the people; Build solidarity and economic justice for all Nevertheless, I would not present this together with an strategy to accomplish those goals. The strategies will be more contentious, but nevertheless should start to be elaborated, and probably subdivided by teams. Cesar
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:40 AM, Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com> wrote: I believe we can't keep coming up with interim solutions. The world is watching us right
now. We need real demands now. Something everyone from college professors to 8th graders at NYC public schools can understand and support. Here is my proposal for a sort of "hierarchy of information" where we start with one overarching message: Democracy for the people, not the corporations. Beneath that, three points of what our goals: Stop special treatment for banks, corporations, and the super-rich; Create a real democracy of the people, by the people, and for the people; Build solidarity and economic justice for all And below that, the specific action items: - Stop the housing crisis. Halt all foreclosures due to predatory lending and huge medical bills. - Stop gambling people's savings on Wall Street. Reinstate the 1933 Glass-Steagall Act that separated investment banking from commercial banking. - Tax all financial transactions as we tax all goods through a sales tax. Introduce a Robin Hood Tax on all financial transactions now. - Repeal the Tax Reconciliation Act (the Bush tax cuts) now. Pair the taxes on long-term capital gains to the income tax. - Corporations are not and will never be people. End corporate personhood under the 14th Amendment. - Ban all corporate funding to political candidates. Introduce a tax bonus that allows each taxpayer to donate the same amount of money to a candidate or party of his or her choice. - Radical reform of the electoral system. Enable new political formations to compete on an equal footing with the two major parties. I hate to admit it, but words like "oppression" and even "peace" really sets off many among the 99% of the American heartland who still think we're just a bunch of crazy hippies. We're not all a bunch of crazy hippies and we have to prove that to the 99% we claim (rightfully) to represent. But that's 300 million people we have to stay in touch with. I also think that "The 99%" is a good thing to start referring to ourselves. Solidarity, Jon On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:27 AM, Matthew Bralow <mbralow@gmail.com> wrote: should be brought up at tomorrow eve's GA! hopefully we can come to some type of interim resolution by end of meeting
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:23 AM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: > Agreed. I am in contact with very long-time activists and this is at the > core of their criticism. > On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:18 AM, Chuck Schumer <csr2091@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> As I have noted publicly in a number of GA's, I am downright sick, tired >> and embarrassed of the lack of concrete demands. Without specific demands, >> this is nothing but a glorified camping trip. All the negative press >> critiques this occupation for its lack of specific demands. With concrete, >> reasonable, well-explained and well-researched demands, we will be taken far >> more seriously and have more legitimacy with which to respond to attacks and >> police brutality. >> >> I understand that there is a process and that that process is slow. >> However, I have heard so many other unimportant things addressed at the GA, >> and Saturday night (when the energy from the march was so high!) there were >> two concerts going on at either end of the plaza but no productive work >> being done. At the very least, we must publish an explanation of WHY there >> are no demands yet and HOW those demands are being formulated. >> >> I'm writing this in part to relieve and express my frustration, but also >> to make it extremely clear that I consider this issue enough to consider >> implementing a block on my very involvement in this occupation. I can't keep >> justifying the work and money I am putting in to this movement, however >> beautiful and inspiring and joyous and necessary it is if there is no clear >> goal. >> >> That's all I have to say about that, I suppose. I know everyone is working >> so hard, and I love and support all of you. Nonetheless, this issue needs to >> be addressed immediately. >> > >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Direct action target, say hello to the 1% Sunday, September 25, 2011 6:42:20 PM
like On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 6:37 PM, Drew <dhornbein@gmail.com> wrote: http://www.downtownny.com/node/9098?origin=2011-9-26&mini=calendar/20119
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of gail zawacki september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] email me Working Groups Schedules for webupdates Sunday, September 25, 2011 2:38:49 PM
"...there is this general idea the main way you can contribute is by camping here and this puts people off. Getting the working groups structured and started is a key element to have more people help to work on goals."
excellent point On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 2:32 PM, Lauren <laurendapfraiz@gmail.com> wrote: I need the schedules of working groups to put them on the occupy wall.st and NYGA.net. There are people out there that really want to help us in our redesigning of society by being part of the working groups. These are people with busy with full time jobs and families, but that strongly support us. They dont need for us to to explain our goals or demands. They get it already. And they want to help. We need to offer them a possibility to let them help us by taking them in consideration and letting them know when they can come to work with us. The GAs are not a good moment for them to come because the GAs mainly discuss internal issues at this point. I know that if we get the camp place structured we will have more people. I think that there is this general idea the main way you can contribute is by camping here and this puts people off. Getting the working groups structured and started is a key element to have more people help to work on goals, and it will contribute to defend the neccesity to keeping Liberty Square as our space. If you are in a working group, decide on times and try to keep them so we can do effective Outreach. And please let me know about them ahead of time. I will post the time on Occupy wall st. and NYCGA.cc .
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jackie DiSalvo september17@googlegroups.com RE: [september17discuss] email me Working Groups Schedules for webupdates Sunday, September 25, 2011 10:17:42 PM
We should put on the schedule for Monday a rally at 4 PM at Baruch College (Lexington Ave. and 24th St) in support of PSC-CUNY (Professional Staff Congress) the faculty & staff union at City University which is fighting to retain health benefits for part time faculty. 3 work groups have endorsed the rally - Labor, Outreach & Direct Action. -----Original Message----From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Lauren Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 2:33 PM To: september17 Subject: [september17discuss] email me Working Groups Schedules for webupdates I need the schedules of working groups to put them on the occupy wall.st and NYGA.net. There are people out there that really want to help us in our redesigning of society by being part of the working groups. These are people with busy with full time jobs and families, but that strongly support us. They dont need for us to to explain our goals or demands. They get it already. And they want to help. We need to offer them a possibility to let them help us by taking them in consideration and letting them know when they can come to work with us. The GAs are not a good moment for them to come because the GAs mainly discuss internal issues at this point. I know that if we get the camp place structured we will have more people. I think that there is this general idea the main way you can contribute is by camping here and this puts people off. Getting the working groups structured and started is a key element to have more people help to work on goals, and it will contribute to defend the neccesity to keeping Liberty Square as our space. If you are in a working group, decide on times and try to keep them so we can do effective Outreach. And please let me know about them ahead of time. I will post the time on Occupy wall st. and NYCGA.cc .
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Joshua van Praag september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] For Internet Team: Two events to be posted on occupywallst.org Wednesday, September 28, 2011 1:27:55 PM
I was about to ask the same thing -- seems like many people have no sense of a schedule as they are mostly visiting the ows.org site... Joshua van Praag jvanpraag@me.com +1.347.445.8315 +44.(0)7787.896952 On Sep 28, 2011, at 1:18 PM, Sahar Vahidi <saharvahidi@gmail.com> wrote: I have a question about the calendar, why do ALL of the events show up on http://nycga.cc/, but not on occupywallst.org ??
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 12:58 PM, NicolasMoselleAllen <allenicolas@gmail.com> wrote: In collaboration with the Brecht Center: Thursday, September 29 5:30 pm AT FREEDOM SQUARE(LIBERTY PLAZA) CORNER OF LIBERTY AND BROADWAY From Madrid to New York to.... A History of Occupations People's University at #OccupyWallStreet Discussion with Gerardo Renique Tuesday, October 4 5:30 pm AT FREEDOM SQUARE(LIBERTY PLAZA) CORNER OF LIBERTY AND BROADWAY Economic Update with Rick Wolff People's University at #OccupyWallStreet Rick Wolff Occupy Wall Street continues to capture the imagination of millions across the globe. Join us for a series "People's University at Occupy Walls Street" as we connect the dots, build bridges and...
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Michael Strom september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] For Internet Team: Two events to be posted on occupywallst.org Wednesday, September 28, 2011 2:04:20 PM
How long do you think the event will go for on Thursday? I've been trying to put together a discussion with Organizing for Occupation (O4O; o4onyc.org), a group I organize with. O4O is a NYC grassroots organization working to actualize the human right to housing through direct action, and one of their lead organizers is planning to come to Liberty Plaza on Thursday (9/29) at 6 to discuss the housing crisis, O4O's work, and what we can do to unite and support our struggles. O4O members fighting foreclosures and/or homelessness will also be there to lend their voices. The hopeful goal of the event is to build relationships between O4O and Occupy Wall Street in order to put on several anti-foreclosure actions next week. Thursday at 6 seems to be the only possible time this can happen (maybe a little later in the evening if necessary). And both events seem important. As I wrote this morning in response to the 99% Open Forum, I think working with O4O would be beneficial
and strategic on a number of levels (help us build relationships with community orgs, put our movement in deeper conversation with lived struggles of this city, help build momentum through strategic action, etc), and I rather not have two simultaneous events take away from each others' attendance. How can we work this out?
And is there a way "officially" get this on the schedule? I can write up a blurb for it ASAP. Peace and Purpose, Michael
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of NicolasMoselleAllen september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] For Internet Team: Two events to be posted on occupywallst.org Wednesday, September 28, 2011 2:16:50 PM
Hey Michael, I completely agree, O4O does very important work and is very relevant to OWS. Thank you so much for putting this together! I'll write to the Brecht people to see if we can change the time, although it is last minute. Trouble is that the GA starts at 7 and runs until late, and we're trying to make these events available for people getting off work. That really only leaves one chunk of time for other public activities...Also, I don't think it's a disaster if events overlap, and on thursday where we often have high attendance it might not be so bad to divide the crowd among different speaking events. I'm also at a loss as to how to get the word to the OWS website admin. Anyone? Internet Committee, you out there? Nico On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 2:04 PM, Michael Strom <michael.g.strom@gmail.com> wrote: > How long do you think the event will go for on Thursday? I've been trying to > put together a discussion with Organizing for Occupation (O4O; o4onyc.org), > a group I organize with. O4O is a NYC grassroots organization working to > actualize the human right to housing through direct action, and one of their > lead organizers is planning to come to Liberty Plaza on Thursday (9/29) at 6 > to discuss the housing crisis, O4O's work, and what we can do to unite and > support our struggles. O4O members fighting foreclosures and/or homelessness > will also be there to lend their voices. The hopeful goal of the event is to > build relationships between O4O and Occupy Wall Street in order to put on > several anti-foreclosure actions next week. > Thursday at 6 seems to be the only possible time this can happen (maybe a > little later in the evening if necessary). And both events seem important. > As I wrote this morning in response to the 99% Open Forum, I think working > with O4O would be beneficial and strategic on a number of levels (help us > build relationships with community orgs, put our movement in deeper > conversation with lived struggles of this city, help build momentum through > strategic action, etc), and I rather not have two simultaneous events take > away from each others' attendance. > How can we work this out? > And is there a way "officially" get this on the schedule? I can write up a > blurb for it ASAP. > Peace and Purpose, > Michael >
hey michael, I think we can push the Gerardo Renique talk back to 5. hopefully that helps. also, get in touch with justine justine@occupywallst.org to have your event published. i passed your info along to her, but you can always send her a blurb. OK! Nico On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 2:04 PM, Michael Strom <michael.g.strom@gmail.com> wrote: > How long do you think the event will go for on Thursday? I've been trying to > put together a discussion with Organizing for Occupation (O4O; o4onyc.org), > a group I organize with. O4O is a NYC grassroots organization working to > actualize the human right to housing through direct action, and one of their > lead organizers is planning to come to Liberty Plaza on Thursday (9/29) at 6 > to discuss the housing crisis, O4O's work, and what we can do to unite and > support our struggles. O4O members fighting foreclosures and/or homelessness > will also be there to lend their voices. The hopeful goal of the event is to > build relationships between O4O and Occupy Wall Street in order to put on > several anti-foreclosure actions next week. > Thursday at 6 seems to be the only possible time this can happen (maybe a > little later in the evening if necessary). And both events seem important. > As I wrote this morning in response to the 99% Open Forum, I think working > with O4O would be beneficial and strategic on a number of levels (help us > build relationships with community orgs, put our movement in deeper > conversation with lived struggles of this city, help build momentum through > strategic action, etc), and I rather not have two simultaneous events take > away from each others' attendance. > How can we work this out? > And is there a way "officially" get this on the schedule? I can write up a > blurb for it ASAP. > Peace and Purpose, > Michael >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of MAd Hatter september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] For Internet Team: Two events to be posted on occupywallst.org Wednesday, September 28, 2011 2:57:16 PM
THERE ARE ENOUGH PEOPLE IN THE SQUARE TO DO BOTH IF WE HAVE TO... SEN ME DETAILS AND i WILL CREATE FACEBOOK GROUPS FOR THESE On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 2:32 PM, NicolasMoselleAllen <allenicolas@gmail.com> wrote: > hey michael, > > I think we can push the Gerardo Renique talk back to 5. hopefully that > helps. also, get in touch with justine justine@occupywallst.org to > have your event published. i passed your info along to her, but you > can always send her a blurb. > > OK! > > Nico > > On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 2:04 PM, Michael Strom > <michael.g.strom@gmail.com> wrote: >> How long do you think the event will go for on Thursday? I've been trying to >> put together a discussion with Organizing for Occupation (O4O; o4onyc.org), >> a group I organize with. O4O is a NYC grassroots organization working to >> actualize the human right to housing through direct action, and one of their >> lead organizers is planning to come to Liberty Plaza on Thursday (9/29) at 6 >> to discuss the housing crisis, O4O's work, and what we can do to unite and >> support our struggles. O4O members fighting foreclosures and/or homelessness >> will also be there to lend their voices. The hopeful goal of the event is to >> build relationships between O4O and Occupy Wall Street in order to put on >> several anti-foreclosure actions next week. >> Thursday at 6 seems to be the only possible time this can happen (maybe a >> little later in the evening if necessary). And both events seem important. >> As I wrote this morning in response to the 99% Open Forum, I think working >> with O4O would be beneficial and strategic on a number of levels (help us >> build relationships with community orgs, put our movement in deeper >> conversation with lived struggles of this city, help build momentum through >> strategic action, etc), and I rather not have two simultaneous events take >> away from each others' attendance. >> How can we work this out? >> And is there a way "officially" get this on the schedule? I can write up a >> blurb for it ASAP. >> Peace and Purpose, >> Michael >> >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Michael Strom september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] For Internet Team: Two events to be posted on occupywallst.org Wednesday, September 28, 2011 3:07:02 PM
Awesome! I think it'd be ideal to have Gerardo Renique 5 and O4O at 6, but if things have to overlap, that's fine too, as folks already said. I just sent a brief blurb to one of the lead organizers of O4O for approval. I'll get it out as soon as I get the okay. Good things! M
cool. i actually jumped the gun and sent justine the little information i had about your event- just so something would be out there. send her your official blurb and she'll replace the one that i sent! On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 3:06 PM, Michael Strom <michael.g.strom@gmail.com> wrote: > Awesome! I think it'd be ideal to have Gerardo Renique 5 and O4O at 6, but > if things have to overlap, that's fine too, as folks already said. > I just sent a brief blurb to one of the lead organizers of O4O for approval. > I'll get it out as soon as I get the okay. > Good things! >M
gotcha! the two brecht events: September 29th, 2011 5:30 PM Peoples' University at #OccupyWallStreet At Liberty Plaza (Zuccotti Park) Corner of Liberty & Broadway From Madrid to New York to.... A History of Occupations Discussion with Gerardo Renique Occupy Wall Street continues to capture the imagination of millions across the globe. Join us for a series "People's University at Occupy Walls Street" as we connect the dots, build bridges and move forward for a world free of capitalism and war! Gerardo Renique recently returned from Madrid, Spain and is a professor at CUNY. PM October 4th, 2011 5:30 PM People's University at #OccupyWallStreet @ Liberty Plaza (Zuccotti Park) Corner of Liberty and Broadway Economic Update with Rick Wolff Occupy Wall Street continues to capture the imagination of millions across the globe. Join us for a series "People's University at Occupy Walls Street" as we connect the dots, build bridges and move forward for a world free of capitalism and war! Richard Wolff will present a special "Economic Update" at Freedom Square. Professor Wolff is an American economist, well-known for his work on Marxian economics, economic methodology and class analysis.
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 2:57 PM, MAd Hatter <progressivechange@gmail.com> wrote: > THERE ARE ENOUGH PEOPLE IN THE SQUARE TO DO BOTH IF WE HAVE TO... > SEN ME DETAILS AND i WILL CREATE FACEBOOK GROUPS FOR THESE > > On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 2:32 PM, NicolasMoselleAllen > <allenicolas@gmail.com> wrote: >> hey michael, >> >> I think we can push the Gerardo Renique talk back to 5. hopefully that >> helps. also, get in touch with justine justine@occupywallst.org to >> have your event published. i passed your info along to her, but you >> can always send her a blurb. >> >> OK! >> >> Nico >> >> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 2:04 PM, Michael Strom >> <michael.g.strom@gmail.com> wrote: >>> How long do you think the event will go for on Thursday? I've been trying to >>> put together a discussion with Organizing for Occupation (O4O; o4onyc.org),
>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >
a group I organize with. O4O is a NYC grassroots organization working to actualize the human right to housing through direct action, and one of their lead organizers is planning to come to Liberty Plaza on Thursday (9/29) at 6 to discuss the housing crisis, O4O's work, and what we can do to unite and support our struggles. O4O members fighting foreclosures and/or homelessness will also be there to lend their voices. The hopeful goal of the event is to build relationships between O4O and Occupy Wall Street in order to put on several anti-foreclosure actions next week. Thursday at 6 seems to be the only possible time this can happen (maybe a little later in the evening if necessary). And both events seem important. As I wrote this morning in response to the 99% Open Forum, I think working with O4O would be beneficial and strategic on a number of levels (help us build relationships with community orgs, put our movement in deeper conversation with lived struggles of this city, help build momentum through strategic action, etc), and I rather not have two simultaneous events take away from each others' attendance. How can we work this out? And is there a way "officially" get this on the schedule? I can write up a blurb for it ASAP. Peace and Purpose, Michael
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Sahar Vahidi september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] For Internet Team: Two events to be posted on occupywallst.org Wednesday, September 28, 2011 1:18:42 PM
I have a question about the calendar, why do ALL of the events show up on http://nycga.cc/, but not on occupywallst.org ??
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 12:58 PM, NicolasMoselleAllen <allenicolas@gmail.com> wrote: In collaboration with the Brecht Center: Thursday, September 29 5:30 pm AT FREEDOM SQUARE(LIBERTY PLAZA) CORNER OF LIBERTY AND BROADWAY From Madrid to New York to.... A History of Occupations People's University at #OccupyWallStreet Discussion with Gerardo Renique Tuesday, October 4 5:30 pm AT FREEDOM SQUARE(LIBERTY PLAZA) CORNER OF LIBERTY AND BROADWAY Economic Update with Rick Wolff People's University at #OccupyWallStreet Rick Wolff Occupy Wall Street continues to capture the imagination of millions across the globe. Join us for a series "People's University at Occupy Walls Street" as we connect the dots, build bridges and...
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] For Jackie and the Labor committee, a proposal we"re slowly working on, with a note on the risks involved Wednesday, September 28, 2011 5:52:03 PM
I'm all in for a general strike (even though with the taylor laws it would cost me amost 3 days pay for each day missed.) But I beg all of you to stop throwing around the word revolution. That word when used in a political contest denotes a violent overthrow of government in the minds of most Americans. We need 10s of millions of people on the street to make the changes we are looking for. The 99% are no where near violent revolution, and will reject any demand or argument with the word revolution it. This is not Egypt or Libya or 1776. If you are not talking about violent revolution, please use the modifier, peaceful. Peaceful revolution is something people might be able to wrap their minds around. I would rather ask for A) The People to get involved and take back their government from corporations, and/or B) big policy changes. Reactions to calls for revolution will bring either fear or laughter. Very few Americans are going to be attracted by it. Sorry for being negative and repeating myself, but I'm convinced that words like revolution, overthrow, etc are deadly to our movement. My humble Opinion, John McG On 09/28/11, Lauren<celliwig@gmail.com> wrote: So, we're trying to do labor actions, and strike actions. The ultimate strike action is the general strike, esp. unlimited. It's where everything breaks, millions are in the streets. Some people in various places are thinking of pushing for it in their own unions, in unions they have contacts with, and even outside of unions. Now I won't sugar coat. US law considers a general strike to be rebellion according to one of our organizers. He's in, but wants the risks to be known by everyone. At the same time this is a revolution, rebellion is inevitable, or we'll have failed and been bought out and I refuse to see the democratic vote machine use this like it tried in WI. It's not a request for immediate support or a demand for permissions, just a point of information. It will be easier to talk about it face to face when I'm down in NYC. So yeah. We're thinking of bringing up general strike.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of gail zawacki september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] For the Internet Committee kids - EVENTS FOR MONDAY!!! Monday, September 26, 2011 12:20:31 AM
yes! I am sorry I will miss it. On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:10 AM, Matthew Bralow <mbralow@gmail.com> wrote: also... this! .... Monday, 5:00pm - Chris Williams - No Nukes! No Fracking! - How Renewable Energy Can Power the Planet at Liberty (formerly Zuccotti) Park In a clear indication of just how far removed from reality the debates in Washington have become, the meltdowns that occurred at the Fukushima-Daiichi nuclear plant in Japan have led to calls by US politicians not for an end to nuclear power, but for its EXPANSION and the growth of other environmentally destructive energy solutions: hydrofracking, the refining of tar sands, mountain-top removal of coal, the expansion of off-shore drilling. But movements against nuclear power, fracking and TRULY SUSTAINABLE ENERGY are RE-EMERGING with renewed vitality across the world: due to mass protest, the governments of Germany and Switzerland are closing their nuke plants and 95% of Italians just voted to do the same! How can we build the movement here in NYC? How realistic are wind, solar and geothermal alternatives to power all of our energy needs? What other changes are necessary to bring them about? Join us for a discussion of how we can strengthen these movements and what solutions a radical environmental movement can put forward for the ecological crisis facing our society.
On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 11:51 PM, NicolasMoselleAllen <allenicolas@gmail.com> wrote: > Hola compaer@s! > > The following event is slated for tomorrow but there doesn't seem to > be any kind of announcement on Occupywallstreet.org. My friend Nicole > has wrangled Nato Thompson to speak alongside the Yes Men, and I know > she would appreciate it if we could get the word out! > > Tomorrow (monday) at NOON: "Join Nato Thompson of CREATIVE TIME, the > Yes Men, and other artists, theorists, and cultural producers in > ZUCCOTTI PARK to devise ways the art word can bring its badass > competences to the cause of envisioning/building a more equal > society." > > Can we get this up in time for some people beyond the usual campers to > actually attend?
> > Best, > > Nico >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Matthew Bralow september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] For the Internet Committee kids - EVENTS FOR MONDAY!!! Monday, September 26, 2011 12:10:07 AM
also... this! .... Monday, 5:00pm - Chris Williams - No Nukes! No Fracking! - How Renewable Energy Can Power the Planet at Liberty (formerly Zuccotti) Park In a clear indication of just how far removed from reality the debates in Washington have become, the meltdowns that occurred at the Fukushima-Daiichi nuclear plant in Japan have led to calls by US politicians not for an end to nuclear power, but for its EXPANSION and the growth of other environmentally destructive energy solutions: hydrofracking, the refining of tar sands, mountain-top removal of coal, the expansion of off-shore drilling. But movements against nuclear power, fracking and TRULY SUSTAINABLE ENERGY are RE-EMERGING with renewed vitality across the world: due to mass protest, the governments of Germany and Switzerland are closing their nuke plants and 95% of Italians just voted to do the same! How can we build the movement here in NYC? How realistic are wind, solar and geothermal alternatives to power all of our energy needs? What other changes are necessary to bring them about? Join us for a discussion of how we can strengthen these movements and what solutions a radical environmental movement can put forward for the ecological crisis facing our society.
On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 11:51 PM, NicolasMoselleAllen <allenicolas@gmail.com> wrote: > Hola compaer@s! > > The following event is slated for tomorrow but there doesn't seem to > be any kind of announcement on Occupywallstreet.org. My friend Nicole > has wrangled Nato Thompson to speak alongside the Yes Men, and I know > she would appreciate it if we could get the word out! > > Tomorrow (monday) at NOON: "Join Nato Thompson of CREATIVE TIME, the > Yes Men, and other artists, theorists, and cultural producers in > ZUCCOTTI PARK to devise ways the art word can bring its badass > competences to the cause of envisioning/building a more equal > society." > > Can we get this up in time for some people beyond the usual campers to > actually attend? > > Best, > > Nico >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of gail zawacki september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Fwd: [GameChangerSalon] I"m worried: Occupy Wall St looks like it needs media help Wednesday, September 28, 2011 9:29:50 AM
I put up video of Saturday that has a visceral feel of being there - at least, to me! http://www.youtube.com/user/witsendnj#p/a/u/1/AD5z4x5tH1o Anyone is welcome to it. On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 1:58 AM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: Can anyone from media pull this together? Justin Wedes Activist & Educator, Brooklyn Use your voice! Web: www.OurSchoolsNYC.org Twitter: NYCPubSchooler Begin forwarded message: From: Colin Mutchler <colinmutchler@gmail.com>
If anyone can edit a solid 30 second ad from the footage that represents the strategic perspective worth supporting from the streets, we can get a LoudSauce campaign up to crowdfund a video ad to run somewhere like MSNBC, CNN or other TV or online channel. Colin Mutchler Co-Founder, LoudSauce +1 415-519-9911 @activefree
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Drew september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Fwd: [GameChangerSalon] I"m worried: Occupy Wall St looks like it needs media help Wednesday, September 28, 2011 11:23:28 AM
Great video, but that is exactly NOT the kind of PR video we want. We want to attract woman, children, minorities, and the elderly down here. We need to show how SAFE and INVITING the space is. The media covers the protests and arrests. Our job is to cover the General Assembly process, the working and thematic group process, and the good vibes. People are SCARED to come down here because they think it's all arrests and pepper spray. We are FAILING to get our message across. No one understands the GA, that's a HUGE problem.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Joshua van Praag september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Fwd: [GameChangerSalon] I"m worried: Occupy Wall St looks like it needs media help Wednesday, September 28, 2011 11:34:36 AM
+1 You're absolutely right, Drew -- re creating some short advocacy films, I have some ideas and would love to help. On a shoot -- I'll write more a little later, in the meantime we are also trying to improve audio and video specs for livestream of GA so those watching can better understand whats going on Solidarity Josh Joshua van Praag jvanpraag@me.com +1.347.445.8315 +44.(0)7787.896952 On Sep 28, 2011, at 11:23 AM, Drew <dhornbein@gmail.com> wrote: > Great video, but that is exactly NOT the kind of PR video we want. > > We want to attract woman, children, minorities, and the elderly down here. We need to show how SAFE and INVITING the space is. The media covers the protests and arrests. Our job is to cover the General Assembly process, the working and thematic group process, and the good vibes. > > People are SCARED to come down here because they think it's all arrests and pepper spray. > > We are FAILING to get our message across. No one understands the GA, that's a HUGE problem.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Vicente Rubio september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Fwd: [GameChangerSalon] I"m worried: Occupy Wall St looks like it needs media help Wednesday, September 28, 2011 11:41:22 AM
You already probably know it, but this is an amazing video for PR/outreach purposes: http://vimeo.com/29513113 This and other materials should be highlighted at the website, maybe putting them at the top right corner. 2011/9/28 Joshua van Praag <jvanpraag@me.com> +1 You're absolutely right, Drew -- re creating some short advocacy films, I have some ideas and would love to help. On a shoot -- I'll write more a little later, in the meantime we are also trying to improve audio and video specs for livestream of GA so those watching can better understand whats going on Solidarity Josh Joshua van Praag jvanpraag@me.com +1.347.445.8315 +44.(0)7787.896952 On Sep 28, 2011, at 11:23 AM, Drew <dhornbein@gmail.com> wrote: > Great video, but that is exactly NOT the kind of PR video we want. > > We want to attract woman, children, minorities, and the elderly down here. We need to show how SAFE and INVITING the space is. The media covers the protests and arrests. Our job is to cover the General Assembly process, the working and thematic group process, and the good vibes. > > People are SCARED to come down here because they think it's all arrests and pepper spray. > > We are FAILING to get our message across. No one understands the GA, that's a HUGE problem.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Drew Hornbein september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Fwd: [GameChangerSalon] I"m worried: Occupy Wall St looks like it needs media help Wednesday, September 28, 2011 12:35:05 PM
I've added that video to the top of the home page on nycga.net On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 11:41 AM, Vicente Rubio <vrubiopu@gmail.com> wrote: You already probably know it, but this is an amazing video for PR/outreach purposes: http://vimeo.com/29513113 This and other materials should be highlighted at the website, maybe putting them at the top right corner. 2011/9/28 Joshua van Praag <jvanpraag@me.com> +1 You're absolutely right, Drew -- re creating some short advocacy films, I have some ideas and would love to help. On a shoot -- I'll write more a little later, in the meantime we are also trying to improve audio and video specs for livestream of GA so those watching can better understand whats going on Solidarity Josh Joshua van Praag jvanpraag@me.com +1.347.445.8315 +44.(0)7787.896952 On Sep 28, 2011, at 11:23 AM, Drew <dhornbein@gmail.com> wrote: > Great video, but that is exactly NOT the kind of PR video we want. > > We want to attract woman, children, minorities, and the elderly down here. We need to show how SAFE and INVITING the space is. The media covers the protests and arrests. Our job is to cover the General Assembly process, the working and thematic group process, and the good vibes. > > People are SCARED to come down here because they think it's all arrests and pepper spray. > > We are FAILING to get our message across. No one understands the GA, that's a HUGE problem.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Vicente Rubio september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Fwd: [GameChangerSalon] I"m worried: Occupy Wall St looks like it needs media help Wednesday, September 28, 2011 2:53:36 PM
Great!!!!! 2011/9/28 Drew Hornbein <dhornbein@gmail.com> I've added that video to the top of the home page on nycga.net On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 11:41 AM, Vicente Rubio <vrubiopu@gmail.com> wrote: You already probably know it, but this is an amazing video for PR/outreach purposes: http://vimeo.com/29513113 This and other materials should be highlighted at the website, maybe putting them at the top right corner. 2011/9/28 Joshua van Praag <jvanpraag@me.com> +1 You're absolutely right, Drew -- re creating some short advocacy films, I have some ideas and would love to help. On a shoot -- I'll write more a little later, in the meantime we are also trying to improve audio and video specs for livestream of GA so those watching can better understand whats going on Solidarity Josh Joshua van Praag jvanpraag@me.com +1.347.445.8315 +44.(0)7787.896952 On Sep 28, 2011, at 11:23 AM, Drew <dhornbein@gmail.com> wrote: > Great video, but that is exactly NOT the kind of PR video we want. > > We want to attract woman, children, minorities, and the elderly down here. We need to show how SAFE and INVITING the space is. The media covers the protests and arrests. Our job is to cover the General Assembly process, the working and thematic group process, and the good vibes. > > People are SCARED to come down here because they think it's all arrests and pepper spray.
> > We are FAILING to get our message across. No one understands the GA, that's a HUGE problem.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of MAd Hatter september17@googlegroups.com Jeffrae@mac.com Re: [september17discuss] Fwd: [GameChangerSalon] I"m worried: Occupy Wall St looks like it needs media help Wednesday, September 28, 2011 8:53:51 AM
A video that is being developed today may serve that need......please contact jeffrae@Mac.com about this. On Wednesday, September 28, 2011, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: > Can anyone from media pull this together? > > Justin Wedes > Activist & Educator, Brooklyn > Use your voice! > Web: <http://www.OurSchoolsNYC.org>www.OurSchoolsNYC.org > Twitter: NYCPubSchooler > > Begin forwarded message: > > From: Colin Mutchler <colinmutchler@gmail.com> > > > If anyone can edit a solid 30 second ad from the footage that represents the strategic perspective worth supporting from the streets, we can get a LoudSauce campaign up to crowdfund a video ad to run somewhere like MSNBC, CNN or other TV or online channel. > > Colin Mutchler > Co-Founder, LoudSauce > +1 415-519-9911 <tel:+1%20415-519-9911> > @activefree
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jackie DiSalvo september17@googlegroups.com RE: [september17discuss] Fwd: [GameChangerSalon] I"m worried: Occupy Wall St looks like it needs media help Wednesday, September 28, 2011 11:28:14 AM
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From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Drew Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 11:23 AM To: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [september17discuss] Fwd: [GameChangerSalon] I'm worried: Occupy Wall St looks like it needs media help
Great video, but that is exactly NOT the kind of PR video we want. We want to attract woman, children, minorities, and the elderly down here. We need to show how SAFE and INVITING the space is. The media covers the protests and arrests. Our job is to cover the General Assembly process, the working and thematic group process, and the good vibes. People are SCARED to come down here because they think it's all arrests and pepper spray. We are FAILING to get our message across. No one understands the GA, that's a HUGE problem.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Luis Moreno-Caballud september17@googlegroups.com; Doug Singsen no-budget-cuts-ny-discussion Re: [september17discuss] Fwd: [May12-CC] Community-Labor March to Wall St./Zuccotti Park + Beyond May 12th Coalition meeting to plan for week of actions Wednesday, September 28, 2011 9:59:46 PM
Terrific news!! Now, I think, we all have to work so that everyone perceives this as their movement. This march shouldn't be "a visit" to the "activists" at Liberty Park, but a way for more people join the movement. No one "owns" the movement, the movement is not the same as the space at Liberty Park, the movement can be everywhere. The movement is like a bonfire of empowerment and solidarity. People and groups approach the collective bonfire that everyone keeps alive at Liberty Park and they light their torches to take them with them... Let's make everyone feel at home! :)
On Sep 28, 2011, at 8:00 PM, Doug Singsen wrote: The Beyond May 12th Coalition of nonprofits and unions, which organized the massive march of 20,000 people on Wall St on May 12, has called a march from City Hall to Zucotti Park for Wed, Oct 5. While this won't be as big as May 12, which took months of preparation, it will be a significant show of support. Sent from my phone ---------- Forwarded message ---------From: "May Actions" <may12actions@gmail.com> Date: Sep 28, 2011 6:24 PM Subject: [May12-CC] Community-Labor March to Wall St./Zuccotti Park + Beyond May 12th Coalition meeting to plan for week of actions To: <may12-cc@googlegroups.com> COME JOIN BEYOND MAY 12TH FOR: Community Labor March to Wall St./Zuccotti Park - Let's march down to Wall Street to welcome the protesters and show the face of New Yorkers hardest hit by corporate greed. WHEN: October 5th at 4:30 pm WHERE: City Hall (250 Broadway) See attached flyer. Planning Meeting - Join labor unions, community organizations and activists as we lay out final plans for a Week of Actions Oct. 11-14 to tell
politicians, millionaires, and bankers that the wealthy should pay their fair share. WHEN: Oct. 6 at 5:00 pm (not Oct. 4 as previously stated) WHERE: SEIU 32BJ, 101 Avenue of the Americas Please forward this email! For more info Contact: hannah.caruso@strongforall.org
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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Fwd: [nyc@] The Revolution Begins at Home (Arun Gupta) Wednesday, September 28, 2011 7:08:27 AM
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/taibblog/occupy-wall-street-drawing-thebattle-lines-20110927 On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:01 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: yup-- and naomi klein is running it on her website! http://www.naomiklein.org/articles/2011/09/revolution-begins-home-open-letterjoin-wall-street-occupation On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:00 AM, Matthew Presto <matthew.presto@gmail.com> wrote: Begin forwarded message:
From: Mitchel Cohen <mitchelcohen@mindspring.com> Date: September 28, 2011 6:40:19 AM EDT To: mitchelcohen@mindspring.com Subject: [nyc@] The Revolution Begins at Home (Arun Gupta)
From: Arun Gupta <ebrowniess@yahoo.com> I've been going down to the Wall Street protest nearly every day.Not only is it growing, it is amazing to see how the protesters have managed to create a non-commodified radical democratic space in the heart of global capital. There is genuine potential in this occupation for revitalizing radical left movements and perhaps even achieving a historical victory. But it will take a concerted effort from every single one of us. Please take a few minutes to read this -- it's short! More important, please forward this to all your contacts asking them to join in and likewise pass along the call. Best, Arun The Revolution Begins at Home By Arun Gupta What is occurring on Wall Street right now is truly remarkable. For over 10 days, in the sanctum of the great cathedral of global capitalism, the dispossessed have liberated territory from the financial overlords and their police army.
They have created a unique opportunity to shift the tides of history in the tradition of other great peaceful occupations from the sit-down strikes of the 1930s to the lunch-counter sit-ins of the 1960s to the democratic uprisings across the Arab world and Europe today. While the Wall Street occupation is growing, it needs an all-out commitment from everyone who cheered the Egyptians in Tahrir Square, said "We are all Wisconsin," and stood in solidarity with the Greeks and Spaniards. This is a movement for anyone who lacks a job, housing or healthcare, or thinks they have no future. Our system is broken at every level. More than 25 million Americans are unemployed. More than 50 million live without health insurance. And perhaps 100 million Americans are mired in poverty, using realistic measures. Yet the fat cats continue to get tax breaks and reap billions while politicians compete to turn the austerity screws on all of us. At some point the number of people occupying Wall Street -- whether that's five thousand, ten thousand or fifty thousand -- will force the powers that be to offer concessions. No one can say how many people it will take or even how things will change exactly, but there is a real potential for bypassing a corrupt political process and to begin realizing a society based on human needs not hedge fund profits. After all, who would have imagined a year ago that Tunisians and Egyptians would oust their dictators? At Liberty Park, the nerve center of the occupation, more than a thousand people gather every day to debate, discuss and organize what to do about our failed system that has allowed the 400 richest Americans at the top to amass more wealth than the 180 million Americans at the bottom. It's astonishing that this self-organized festival of democracy has sprouted on the turf of the masters of the universe, the men who play the tune that both political parties and the media dance to. The New York Police Department, which has deployed hundreds of officers at a time to surround and intimidate protesters, is capable of arresting everyone and clearing Liberty Plaza in minutes. But they haven't, which is also astonishing. That's because assaulting peaceful crowds in a public square demanding real democracy -- economic and not just political -- would remind the world of the brittle autocrats who brutalized their people demanding justice before they were swept away by the Arab Spring. And the state violence has already backfired. After police attacked a Saturday afternoon march that started from Liberty Plaza the crowds only got bigger and media interest grew. The Wall Street occupation has already succeeded in revealing the bankruptcy of the dominant powers -- the economic, the political, media and security forces. They have nothing positive to offer
humanity, not that they ever did for the Global South, but now their quest for endless profits means deepening the misery with a thousand austerity cuts. Even their solutions are cruel jokes. They tell us that the "Buffett Rule" would spread the pain by asking the penthouse set to sacrifice a tin of caviar, which is what the proposed tax increase would amount to. Meanwhile, the rest of us will have to sacrifice healthcare, food, education, housing, jobs and perhaps our lives to sate the ferocious appetite of capital. That's why more and more people are joining the Wall Street occupation. They can tell you about their homes being foreclosed upon, months of grinding unemployment or minimum-wage dead-end jobs, staggering student debt loads, or trying to live without decent healthcare. It's a whole generation of Americans with no prospects, but who are told to believe in a system that can only offer them Dancing With The Stars and pepper spray to the face. Yet against every description of a generation derided as narcissistic, apathetic and hopeless they are staking a claim to a better future for all of us. That's why we all need to join in. Not just by liking it on Facebook, signing a petition at change.org or retweeting protest photos, but by going down to the occupation itself. There is great potential here. Sure, it's a far cry from Tahrir Square or even Wisconsin. But there is the nucleus of a revolt that could shake America's power structure as much as the Arab world has been upended. Instead of one to two thousand people a day joining in the occupation there needs to be tens of thousands of people protesting the fat cats driving Bentleys and drinking thousand-dollar bottles of champagne with money they looted from the financial crisis and then from the bailouts while Americans literally die on the streets. To be fair, the scene in Liberty Plaza seems messy and chaotic. But it's also a laboratory of possibility, and that's the beauty of democracy. As opposed to our monoculture world, where political life is flipping a lever every four years, social life is being a consumer and economic life is being a timid cog, the Wall Street occupation is creating a polyculture of ideas, expression and art. Yet while many people support the occupation, they hesitate to fully join in and are quick to offer criticism. It's clear that the biggest obstacles to building a powerful movement are not the police or capital -- it's our own cynicism and despair. Perhaps their views were colored by the New York Times article deriding protesters for wishing to "pantomime progressivism" and "Gunning for Wall Street with faulty aim." Many of the criticisms boil
down to "a lack of clear messaging." But what's wrong with that? A fully formed movement is not going to spring from the ground. It has to be created. And who can say what exactly needs to be done? We are not talking about ousting a dictator; though some say we want to oust the dictatorship of capital. There are plenty of sophisticated ideas out there: end corporate personhood; institute a "Tobin Tax" on stock purchases and currency trading; nationalize banks; socialize medicine; fully fund government jobs and genuine Keynesian stimulus; lift restrictions on labor organizing; allow cities to turn foreclosed homes into public housing; build a green energy infrastructure. But how can we get broad agreement on any of these? If the protesters came into the square with a pre-determined set of demands it would have only limited their potential. They would have either been dismissed as pie in the sky -- such as socialized medicine or nationalize banks -- or if they went for weak demands such as the Buffett Rule their efforts would immediately be absorbed by a failed political system, thus undermining the movement. That's why the building of the movement has to go hand in hand with common struggle, debate and radical democracy. It's how we will create genuine solutions that have legitimacy. And that is what is occurring down at Wall Street. Now, there are endless objections one can make. But if we focus on the possibilities, and shed our despair, our hesitancy and our cynicism, and collectively come to Wall Street with critical thinking, ideas and solidarity we can change the world. How many times in your life do you get a chance to watch history unfold, to actively participate in building a better society, to come together with thousands of people where genuine democracy is the reality and not a fantasy? For too long our minds have been chained by fear, by division, by impotence. The one thing the elite fear most is a great awakening. That day is here. Together we can seize it. -------------------------------------------Arun Gupta is the editor of The Indypendent.
http://www.MitchelCohen.com
Ring the bells that still can ring, Forget your perfect offering. There is a crack, a crack in everything, That's how the light gets in.
~ Leonard Cohen
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Fwd: [nyc@] The Revolution Begins at Home (Arun Gupta) Wednesday, September 28, 2011 7:03:09 AM
yup-- and naomi klein is running it on her website! http://www.naomiklein.org/articles/2011/09/revolution-begins-home-open-letter-joinwall-street-occupation On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:00 AM, Matthew Presto <matthew.presto@gmail.com> wrote: Begin forwarded message:
From: Mitchel Cohen <mitchelcohen@mindspring.com> Date: September 28, 2011 6:40:19 AM EDT To: mitchelcohen@mindspring.com Subject: [nyc@] The Revolution Begins at Home (Arun Gupta)
From: Arun Gupta <ebrowniess@yahoo.com> I've been going down to the Wall Street protest nearly every day.Not only is it growing, it is amazing to see how the protesters have managed to create a non-commodified radical democratic space in the heart of global capital. There is genuine potential in this occupation for revitalizing radical left movements and perhaps even achieving a historical victory. But it will take a concerted effort from every single one of us. Please take a few minutes to read this -- it's short! More important, please forward this to all your contacts asking them to join in and likewise pass along the call. Best, Arun The Revolution Begins at Home By Arun Gupta What is occurring on Wall Street right now is truly remarkable. For over 10 days, in the sanctum of the great cathedral of global capitalism, the dispossessed have liberated territory from the financial overlords and their police army. They have created a unique opportunity to shift the tides of history in the tradition of other great peaceful occupations from the sit-down strikes of the 1930s to the lunch-counter sit-ins of the 1960s to the democratic uprisings across the Arab world and Europe today.
While the Wall Street occupation is growing, it needs an all-out commitment from everyone who cheered the Egyptians in Tahrir Square, said "We are all Wisconsin," and stood in solidarity with the Greeks and Spaniards. This is a movement for anyone who lacks a job, housing or healthcare, or thinks they have no future. Our system is broken at every level. More than 25 million Americans are unemployed. More than 50 million live without health insurance. And perhaps 100 million Americans are mired in poverty, using realistic measures. Yet the fat cats continue to get tax breaks and reap billions while politicians compete to turn the austerity screws on all of us. At some point the number of people occupying Wall Street -- whether that's five thousand, ten thousand or fifty thousand -- will force the powers that be to offer concessions. No one can say how many people it will take or even how things will change exactly, but there is a real potential for bypassing a corrupt political process and to begin realizing a society based on human needs not hedge fund profits. After all, who would have imagined a year ago that Tunisians and Egyptians would oust their dictators? At Liberty Park, the nerve center of the occupation, more than a thousand people gather every day to debate, discuss and organize what to do about our failed system that has allowed the 400 richest Americans at the top to amass more wealth than the 180 million Americans at the bottom. It's astonishing that this self-organized festival of democracy has sprouted on the turf of the masters of the universe, the men who play the tune that both political parties and the media dance to. The New York Police Department, which has deployed hundreds of officers at a time to surround and intimidate protesters, is capable of arresting everyone and clearing Liberty Plaza in minutes. But they haven't, which is also astonishing. That's because assaulting peaceful crowds in a public square demanding real democracy -- economic and not just political -- would remind the world of the brittle autocrats who brutalized their people demanding justice before they were swept away by the Arab Spring. And the state violence has already backfired. After police attacked a Saturday afternoon march that started from Liberty Plaza the crowds only got bigger and media interest grew. The Wall Street occupation has already succeeded in revealing the bankruptcy of the dominant powers -- the economic, the political, media and security forces. They have nothing positive to offer humanity, not that they ever did for the Global South, but now their quest for endless profits means deepening the misery with a thousand austerity cuts. Even their solutions are cruel jokes. They tell us that the "Buffett Rule" would spread the pain by asking the penthouse set to sacrifice a tin of
caviar, which is what the proposed tax increase would amount to. Meanwhile, the rest of us will have to sacrifice healthcare, food, education, housing, jobs and perhaps our lives to sate the ferocious appetite of capital. That's why more and more people are joining the Wall Street occupation. They can tell you about their homes being foreclosed upon, months of grinding unemployment or minimum-wage dead-end jobs, staggering student debt loads, or trying to live without decent healthcare. It's a whole generation of Americans with no prospects, but who are told to believe in a system that can only offer them Dancing With The Stars and pepper spray to the face. Yet against every description of a generation derided as narcissistic, apathetic and hopeless they are staking a claim to a better future for all of us. That's why we all need to join in. Not just by liking it on Facebook, signing a petition at change.org or retweeting protest photos, but by going down to the occupation itself. There is great potential here. Sure, it's a far cry from Tahrir Square or even Wisconsin. But there is the nucleus of a revolt that could shake America's power structure as much as the Arab world has been upended. Instead of one to two thousand people a day joining in the occupation there needs to be tens of thousands of people protesting the fat cats driving Bentleys and drinking thousand-dollar bottles of champagne with money they looted from the financial crisis and then from the bailouts while Americans literally die on the streets. To be fair, the scene in Liberty Plaza seems messy and chaotic. But it's also a laboratory of possibility, and that's the beauty of democracy. As opposed to our monoculture world, where political life is flipping a lever every four years, social life is being a consumer and economic life is being a timid cog, the Wall Street occupation is creating a polyculture of ideas, expression and art. Yet while many people support the occupation, they hesitate to fully join in and are quick to offer criticism. It's clear that the biggest obstacles to building a powerful movement are not the police or capital -- it's our own cynicism and despair. Perhaps their views were colored by the New York Times article deriding protesters for wishing to "pantomime progressivism" and "Gunning for Wall Street with faulty aim." Many of the criticisms boil down to "a lack of clear messaging." But what's wrong with that? A fully formed movement is not going to spring from the ground. It has to be created. And who can say what exactly needs to be done? We are not talking about ousting a dictator; though some say we want to oust the dictatorship of capital.
There are plenty of sophisticated ideas out there: end corporate personhood; institute a "Tobin Tax" on stock purchases and currency trading; nationalize banks; socialize medicine; fully fund government jobs and genuine Keynesian stimulus; lift restrictions on labor organizing; allow cities to turn foreclosed homes into public housing; build a green energy infrastructure. But how can we get broad agreement on any of these? If the protesters came into the square with a pre-determined set of demands it would have only limited their potential. They would have either been dismissed as pie in the sky -- such as socialized medicine or nationalize banks -- or if they went for weak demands such as the Buffett Rule their efforts would immediately be absorbed by a failed political system, thus undermining the movement. That's why the building of the movement has to go hand in hand with common struggle, debate and radical democracy. It's how we will create genuine solutions that have legitimacy. And that is what is occurring down at Wall Street. Now, there are endless objections one can make. But if we focus on the possibilities, and shed our despair, our hesitancy and our cynicism, and collectively come to Wall Street with critical thinking, ideas and solidarity we can change the world. How many times in your life do you get a chance to watch history unfold, to actively participate in building a better society, to come together with thousands of people where genuine democracy is the reality and not a fantasy? For too long our minds have been chained by fear, by division, by impotence. The one thing the elite fear most is a great awakening. That day is here. Together we can seize it. -------------------------------------------Arun Gupta is the editor of The Indypendent.
http://www.MitchelCohen.com
Ring the bells that still can ring, Forget your perfect offering. There is a crack, a crack in everything, That's how the light gets in. ~ Leonard Cohen
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Fwd: American Banker"s Morning Scan for Tuesday, September 27, 2011 Tuesday, September 27, 2011 3:16:47 PM
LOVE IT! On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 2:43 PM, Lisa Fithian <fithianl@igc.org> wrote:
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the markets remain inhospitable to European bank borrowing. In his "Current Account" column, the Journal's Francesco Guerrera prescribes contingent convertible bonds as the best path for European banks. "It would enable EU institutions to support banks without having to own them," he writes. "And it would offer investors a belt-and-suspenders approach: a tasty dividend every year and free equity if banks' capital levels slip," deal terms that should sound familiar to students of Warren Buffett. Although some have questioned whether there's much of a market for so-called co-cos, Guerrera interviewed two investors who indicated interest, to differing degrees. New York Times, Financial Times Housing Crash Dummies: The SEC sent McGraw-Hill, the parent of Standard & Poor's, a Wells notice, indicating the company could face civil charges over (what else?) a mortgagerelated security S&P rated in 2007 as the housing market was falling apart. According to the Journal, S&P rated the deal AAA on the basis of hypothetical "dummy" assets, and didn't change that assessment even after the investment bankers stuffed the collateral pool with real, and lower-quality, assets. Wall Street Journal, New York Times, Financial Times Occupy Wall Street: Actually, the organizers of this protest in lower Manhattan, now well into its second week, would probably say they haven't received wide enough coverage, and that what little has been reported about them was fairly condescending. To us, their cause seems a bit inchoate, if not muddled (starting with our pet peeve, the kitchen-sink phrase "Wall Street"). But we respect the protestors for their tenacity, and are withholding our usual snark until we learn a little bit more. For now, some links: New York Times, Huffington Post, Business Insider
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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Gary Roland september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Fwd: an idea for artists in support of #occupywallst Monday, September 26, 2011 5:06:58 PM
I like the wanted posters also... If someone can make them happen it would be awesome. On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 5:06 PM, Gary Roland <opesr.nyc@gmail.com> wrote: We sent four pizzas to Organizing 4 Occupation's pot luck and many involved in this group are already involved in Occupy Wall Street. We just need to make sure that when they need to occupy we are ready. Also a teach in sounds fabulous... ~GARY On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Luis Moreno-Caballud <morenocaballud@yahoo.es> wrote: Some of us have had the privilege of participating in that great action of solidarity. It is exactly the kind of thing that has pushed forward movements in Spain, Greece, etc... It would be great bringing the Organizing for Occupation people to Zucotti (they are already here, our movements happily overlap) for a talk/teach-in/training, if someone has the time to do it... http://www.o4onyc.org/ On Sep 26, 2011, at 4:54 PM, sylver pondolfino wrote: speaking of the attorney general (bear with me on this story - it's worth reading): mary lee ward, in the bed-stuy neighborhood of brooklyn, signed for a home equity loan from a crooked financing company, which tried to withold 85% of the loan in fees. she refused to take the loan. the company was later shut down for fraud, but not until it packaged her loan into a collateralized debt obligation, which was sold from bank to bank. deutch bank eventually foreclosed, and sold the property to wells fargo, which auctioned it off to a real estate speculator, who moved to have ms. ward evicted. she fought it every step of the way, on her own, without lawyers, and was outgunned. finally, this summer, she approached a public interest law firm called common law. they determined that she was at a dead end in the courts. but they had just helped form a group of activists, calling themselves organizing for occupation (o4o), committed to fighting foreclosure evictions and defending squatting. o4o did some outreach, and on the day last month when the marshal was due to evict ms. ward, 300 activists and neighbors showed up to say: if you want to kick an 82-yearold woman out of her home of 44 years, you'll have to go through us first. the speculator and the marshal never came. since then, the eviction notice has expired, religious leaders whom the speculator respects have pressured him to come to terms, ms. ward is still in her home, and attorney general schneiderman has agreed to investigate the foreclosure. she's not out of the woods yet, and there are countless others like her. but we achieved a small victory because people were willing to put their bodies on the line. sylver pondolfino --- On Mon, 9/26/11, Joshua van Praag <jvanpraag@me.com> wrote: From: Joshua van Praag <jvanpraag@me.com> Subject: [september17discuss] Fwd: an idea for artists in support of #occupywallst To: september17@googlegroups.com Date: Monday, September 26, 2011, 4:02 PM
A thread started by my old friend mark Read -Joshua van Praag jvanpraag@me.com +1.347.445.8315 +44.(0)7787.896952 Begin forwarded message: From: Gary Edwards <gary.chris.edwards@gmail.com> Date: September 26, 2011 2:57:39 PM EDT To: mark read <akawildman@gmail.com> Cc: Nato Thompson <natot@creativetime.org>, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com>, Andy Bichelbaum <andy@theyesmen.org>, mike bonanno <mike@theyesmen.org>, DeeDee Halleck <deedeehalleck@gmail.com>, beka@notanalternative.net, Marisa Jahn <hello@marisajahn.com>, Brian Drolet <bdrolet@earthlink.net>, Eva Lewis <eva@deepdishtv.org>, Danny Valdes <dvaldes21@gmail.com>, savitri d <savitrid@earthlink.net>, jason jones <surplus@notanalternative.net>, Josh Van Praag <jvanpraag@mac.com> Subject: Re: an idea for artists in support of #occupywallst Found this article today on Salon, about the NY Attorney General's mission to, to borrow Mark's phrase, end impunity for the perpetrators of financial crimes: hold http://www.salon.com/news/politics/feature/2011/09/25/schneiderman. No mention of Occupy Wall Street, of course. But we can make it so that the next article about this guy HAS to mention occupy wall st. Here is the contact info for the attorney general's office: http://www.ag.ny.gov/contact.html. We should try to get his attention - spread the word to anyone who's currently occupying wall street! Yes, he works for the state, which is ultimately going to protect its own interest, but he seems to want some of the same things that Occupy Wall Street is pushing for. I'm not sure what this exactly means for occupy wall st or for the attorney general, but it could be mutually beneficial... On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 1:33 PM, mark read <akawildman@gmail.com> wrote: From Brian Drolet, Gary Edwards, and myself:
Remember that deck of cards for "most wanted" terrorists?
How about a deck of cards, and wanted posters, for "most wanted" financial criminals?
Stick the posters up all over the financial district.
Make citizens arrests (and probably get arrested doing it) and videotape the action.
WANTED: For financial crimes against the people
Overarching demand: An end to impunity for perpetrators of financial crimes against the people of the United States of America.
I'll be down there tonight if anyone's down for discussing it.
-m
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Gary Roland september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Fwd: an idea for artists in support of #occupywallst Monday, September 26, 2011 5:06:14 PM
We sent four pizzas to Organizing 4 Occupation's pot luck and many involved in this group are already involved in Occupy Wall Street. We just need to make sure that when they need to occupy we are ready. Also a teach in sounds fabulous... ~GARY On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Luis Moreno-Caballud <morenocaballud@yahoo.es> wrote: Some of us have had the privilege of participating in that great action of solidarity. It is exactly the kind of thing that has pushed forward movements in Spain, Greece, etc... It would be great bringing the Organizing for Occupation people to Zucotti (they are already here, our movements happily overlap) for a talk/teach-in/training, if someone has the time to do it... http://www.o4onyc.org/ On Sep 26, 2011, at 4:54 PM, sylver pondolfino wrote: speaking of the attorney general (bear with me on this story - it's worth reading): mary lee ward, in the bed-stuy neighborhood of brooklyn, signed for a home equity loan from a crooked financing company, which tried to withold 85% of the loan in fees. she refused to take the loan. the company was later shut down for fraud, but not until it packaged her loan into a collateralized debt obligation, which was sold from bank to bank. deutch bank eventually foreclosed, and sold the property to wells fargo, which auctioned it off to a real estate speculator, who moved to have ms. ward evicted. she fought it every step of the way, on her own, without lawyers, and was outgunned. finally, this summer, she approached a public interest law firm called common law. they determined that she was at a dead end in the courts. but they had just helped form a group of activists, calling themselves organizing for occupation (o4o), committed to fighting foreclosure evictions and defending squatting. o4o did some outreach, and on the day last month when the marshal was due to evict ms. ward, 300 activists and neighbors showed up to say: if you want to kick an 82-yearold woman out of her home of 44 years, you'll have to go through us first. the speculator and the marshal never came. since then, the eviction notice has expired, religious leaders whom the speculator respects have pressured him to come to terms, ms. ward is still in her home, and attorney general schneiderman has agreed to investigate the foreclosure. she's not out of the woods yet, and there are countless others like her. but we achieved a small victory because people were willing to put their bodies on the line. sylver pondolfino --- On Mon, 9/26/11, Joshua van Praag <jvanpraag@me.com> wrote: From: Joshua van Praag <jvanpraag@me.com> Subject: [september17discuss] Fwd: an idea for artists in support of #occupywallst To: september17@googlegroups.com Date: Monday, September 26, 2011, 4:02 PM A thread started by my old friend mark Read --
Joshua van Praag jvanpraag@me.com +1.347.445.8315 +44.(0)7787.896952 Begin forwarded message: From: Gary Edwards <gary.chris.edwards@gmail.com> Date: September 26, 2011 2:57:39 PM EDT To: mark read <akawildman@gmail.com> Cc: Nato Thompson <natot@creativetime.org>, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com>, Andy Bichelbaum <andy@theyesmen.org>, mike bonanno <mike@theyesmen.org>, DeeDee Halleck <deedeehalleck@gmail.com>, beka@notanalternative.net, Marisa Jahn <hello@marisajahn.com>, Brian Drolet <bdrolet@earthlink.net>, Eva Lewis <eva@deepdishtv.org>, Danny Valdes <dvaldes21@gmail.com>, savitri d <savitrid@earthlink.net>, jason jones <surplus@notanalternative.net>, Josh Van Praag <jvanpraag@mac.com> Subject: Re: an idea for artists in support of #occupywallst Found this article today on Salon, about the NY Attorney General's mission to, to borrow Mark's phrase, end impunity for the perpetrators of financial crimes: hold http://www.salon.com/news/politics/feature/2011/09/25/schneiderman. No mention of Occupy Wall Street, of course. But we can make it so that the next article about this guy HAS to mention occupy wall st. Here is the contact info for the attorney general's office: http://www.ag.ny.gov/contact.html. We should try to get his attention - spread the word to anyone who's currently occupying wall street! Yes, he works for the state, which is ultimately going to protect its own interest, but he seems to want some of the same things that Occupy Wall Street is pushing for. I'm not sure what this exactly means for occupy wall st or for the attorney general, but it could be mutually beneficial... On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 1:33 PM, mark read <akawildman@gmail.com> wrote: From Brian Drolet, Gary Edwards, and myself:
-m
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Luis Moreno-Caballud september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Fwd: an idea for artists in support of #occupywallst Monday, September 26, 2011 5:15:20 PM
It would be an amazing push to the movement to do a massive anti-eviction action. These actions get wide popular support, and now we have a lot of attention. I hate to propose things that I can't do myself (in Spain we had a saying at the assemblies: "el que propone se lo come": if you propose it, you "eat" it). But this time I really have to, because I'm trapped in Philly with tones of work. Would some one volunteer to organize a common action of #OccupyWallStreet and Organizing for Occupation? On Sep 26, 2011, at 5:06 PM, Gary Roland wrote: We sent four pizzas to Organizing 4 Occupation's pot luck and many involved in this group are already involved in Occupy Wall Street. We just need to make sure that when they need to occupy we are ready. Also a teach in sounds fabulous... ~GARY On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Luis Moreno-Caballud <morenocaballud@yahoo.es> wrote: Some of us have had the privilege of participating in that great action of solidarity. It is exactly the kind of thing that has pushed forward movements in Spain, Greece, etc... It would be great bringing the Organizing for Occupation people to Zucotti (they are already here, our movements happily overlap) for a talk/teach-in/training, if someone has the time to do it... http://www.o4onyc.org/ On Sep 26, 2011, at 4:54 PM, sylver pondolfino wrote: speaking of the attorney general (bear with me on this story - it's worth reading): mary lee ward, in the bed-stuy neighborhood of brooklyn, signed for a home equity loan from a crooked financing company, which tried to withold 85% of the loan in fees. she refused to take the loan. the company was later shut down for fraud, but not until it packaged her loan into a collateralized debt obligation, which was sold from bank to bank. deutch bank eventually foreclosed, and sold the property to wells fargo, which auctioned it off to a real estate speculator, who moved to have ms. ward evicted. she fought it every step of the way, on her own, without lawyers, and was outgunned. finally, this summer, she approached a public interest law firm called common law. they determined that she was at a dead end in the courts. but they had just helped form a group of activists, calling themselves organizing for occupation (o4o), committed to fighting foreclosure evictions and defending squatting. o4o did some outreach, and on the day last month when the marshal was due to evict ms. ward, 300 activists and neighbors showed up to say: if you want to kick an 82-yearold woman out of her home of 44 years, you'll have to go through us first. the speculator and the marshal never came. since then, the eviction notice has expired, religious leaders whom the speculator respects have pressured him to come to terms, ms. ward is still in her home, and attorney general schneiderman has agreed to investigate the foreclosure. she's not out of the woods yet, and there are countless others like her. but we achieved a small victory because people were willing to put their bodies on the line. sylver pondolfino --- On Mon, 9/26/11, Joshua van Praag <jvanpraag@me.com> wrote:
From: Joshua van Praag <jvanpraag@me.com> Subject: [september17discuss] Fwd: an idea for artists in support of #occupywallst To: september17@googlegroups.com Date: Monday, September 26, 2011, 4:02 PM A thread started by my old friend mark Read -Joshua van Praag jvanpraag@me.com +1.347.445.8315 +44.(0)7787.896952 Begin forwarded message: From: Gary Edwards <gary.chris.edwards@gmail.com> Date: September 26, 2011 2:57:39 PM EDT To: mark read <akawildman@gmail.com> Cc: Nato Thompson <natot@creativetime.org>, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com>, Andy Bichelbaum <andy@theyesmen.org>, mike bonanno <mike@theyesmen.org>, DeeDee Halleck <deedeehalleck@gmail.com>, beka@notanalternative.net, Marisa Jahn <hello@marisajahn.com>, Brian Drolet <bdrolet@earthlink.net>, Eva Lewis <eva@deepdishtv.org>, Danny Valdes <dvaldes21@gmail.com>, savitri d <savitrid@earthlink.net>, jason jones <surplus@notanalternative.net>, Josh Van Praag <jvanpraag@mac.com> Subject: Re: an idea for artists in support of #occupywallst Found this article today on Salon, about the NY Attorney General's mission to, to borrow Mark's phrase, end impunity for the perpetrators of financial crimes: hold http://www.salon.com/news/politics/feature/2011/09/25/schneiderman. No mention of Occupy Wall Street, of course. But we can make it so that the next article about this guy HAS to mention occupy wall st. Here is the contact info for the attorney general's office: http://www.ag.ny.gov/contact.html. We should try to get his attention - spread the word to anyone who's currently occupying wall street! Yes, he works for the state, which is ultimately going to protect its own interest, but he seems to want some of the same things that Occupy Wall Street is pushing for. I'm not sure what this exactly means for occupy wall st or for the attorney general, but it could be mutually beneficial... On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 1:33 PM, mark read <akawildman@gmail.com> wrote: From Brian Drolet, Gary Edwards, and myself:
How about a deck of cards, and wanted posters, for "most wanted" financial
criminals?
-m
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Fwd: an idea for artists in support of #occupywallst Monday, September 26, 2011 5:19:33 PM
I would like to think abt taking this on..... and help promoting of course.... On Sep 26, 2011 5:15 PM, "Luis Moreno-Caballud" <morenocaballud@yahoo.es> wrote: > It would be an amazing push to the movement to do a massive anti-eviction action. These actions get wide popular support, and now we have a lot of attention. I hate to propose things that I can't do myself (in Spain we had a saying at the assemblies: "el que propone se lo come": if you propose it, you "eat" it). But this time I really have to, because I'm trapped in Philly with tones of work. > Would some one volunteer to organize a common action of #OccupyWallStreet and Organizing for Occupation? > > > On Sep 26, 2011, at 5:06 PM, Gary Roland wrote: > >> We sent four pizzas to Organizing 4 Occupation's pot luck and many involved in this group are already involved in Occupy Wall Street. We just need to make sure that when they need to occupy we are ready. Also a teach in sounds fabulous... >> >> ~GARY >> >> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Luis Moreno-Caballud <morenocaballud@yahoo.es> wrote: >> Some of us have had the privilege of participating in that great action of solidarity. It is exactly the kind of thing that has pushed forward movements in Spain, Greece, etc... >> It would be great bringing the Organizing for Occupation people to Zucotti (they are already here, our movements happily overlap) for a talk/teach-in/training, if someone has the time to do it... >> >> http://www.o4onyc.org/ >> >> >> On Sep 26, 2011, at 4:54 PM, sylver pondolfino wrote: >> >>> speaking of the attorney general (bear with me on this story - it's worth reading): >>> mary lee ward, in the bed-stuy neighborhood of brooklyn, signed for a home equity loan from a crooked financing company, which tried to withold 85% of the loan in fees. she refused to take the loan. the company was later shut down for fraud, but not until it packaged her loan into a collateralized debt obligation, which was sold from bank to bank. deutch bank eventually foreclosed, and sold the property to wells fargo, which auctioned it off to a real estate speculator, who moved to have ms. ward evicted. >>> she fought it every step of the way, on her own, without lawyers, and was outgunned. finally, this summer, she approached a public interest law firm called common law. they determined that she was at a dead end in the courts. but they
had just helped form a group of activists, calling themselves organizing for occupation (o4o), committed to fighting foreclosure evictions and defending squatting. >>> o4o did some outreach, and on the day last month when the marshal was due to evict ms. ward, 300 activists and neighbors showed up to say: if you want to kick an 82-year-old woman out of her home of 44 years, you'll have to go through us first. >>> the speculator and the marshal never came. since then, the eviction notice has expired, religious leaders whom the speculator respects have pressured him to come to terms, ms. ward is still in her home, and attorney general schneiderman has agreed to investigate the foreclosure. >>> she's not out of the woods yet, and there are countless others like her. but we achieved a small victory because people were willing to put their bodies on the line. >>> >>> >>> sylver pondolfino >>> >>> --- On Mon, 9/26/11, Joshua van Praag <jvanpraag@me.com> wrote: >>> >>> From: Joshua van Praag <jvanpraag@me.com> >>> Subject: [september17discuss] Fwd: an idea for artists in support of #occupywallst >>> To: september17@googlegroups.com >>> Date: Monday, September 26, 2011, 4:02 PM >>> >>> A thread started by my old friend mark Read ->>> >>> Joshua van Praag >>> jvanpraag@me.com >>> >>> +1.347.445.8315 >>> +44.(0)7787.896952 >>> >>> Begin forwarded message: >>> >>>> From: Gary Edwards <gary.chris.edwards@gmail.com> >>>> Date: September 26, 2011 2:57:39 PM EDT >>>> To: mark read <akawildman@gmail.com> >>>> Cc: Nato Thompson <natot@creativetime.org>, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com>, Andy Bichelbaum <andy@theyesmen.org>, mike bonanno <mike@theyesmen.org>, DeeDee Halleck <deedeehalleck@gmail.com>, beka@notanalternative.net, Marisa Jahn <hello@marisajahn.com>, Brian Drolet <bdrolet@earthlink.net>, Eva Lewis <eva@deepdishtv.org>, Danny Valdes <dvaldes21@gmail.com>, savitri d <savitrid@earthlink.net>, jason jones <surplus@notanalternative.net>, Josh Van Praag <jvanpraag@mac.com> >>>> Subject: Re: an idea for artists in support of #occupywallst >>>> >>>> Found this article today on Salon, about the NY Attorney General's >>>> mission to, to borrow Mark's phrase, end impunity for the perpetrators >>>> of financial crimes: hold >>>> http://www.salon.com/news/politics/feature/2011/09/25/schneiderman. No >>>> mention of Occupy Wall Street, of course. But we can make it so that >>>> the next article about this guy HAS to mention occupy wall st. Here is
>>>> the contact info for the attorney general's office: >>>> http://www.ag.ny.gov/contact.html. We should try to get his attention >>>> - spread the word to anyone who's currently occupying wall street! >>>> Yes, he works for the state, which is ultimately going to protect its >>>> own interest, but he seems to want some of the same things that Occupy >>>> Wall Street is pushing for. I'm not sure what this exactly means for >>>> occupy wall st or for the attorney general, but it could be mutually >>>> beneficial... >>>> >>>> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 1:33 PM, mark read <akawildman@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> From Brian Drolet, Gary Edwards, and myself: >>>>> >>>>> Remember that deck of cards for "most wanted" terrorists? >>>>> >>>>> How about a deck of cards, and wanted posters, for "most wanted" financial >>>>> criminals? >>>>> >>>>> Stick the posters up all over the financial district. >>>>> >>>>> Make citizens arrests (and probably get arrested doing it) and videotape the >>>>> action. >>>>> >>>>> WANTED: For financial crimes against the people >>>>> >>>>> Overarching demand: An end to impunity for perpetrators of financial crimes >>>>> against the people of the United States of America. >>>>> >>>>> I'll be down there tonight if anyone's down for discussing it. >>>>> >>>>> -m >>>>> >> >> >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Luis Moreno-Caballud september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Fwd: an idea for artists in support of #occupywallst Monday, September 26, 2011 5:01:39 PM
Some of us have had the privilege of participating in that great action of solidarity. It is exactly the kind of thing that has pushed forward movements in Spain, Greece, etc... It would be great bringing the Organizing for Occupation people to Zucotti (they are already here, our movements happily overlap) for a talk/teach-in/training, if someone has the time to do it... http://www.o4onyc.org/ On Sep 26, 2011, at 4:54 PM, sylver pondolfino wrote: speaking of the attorney general (bear with me on this story - it's worth reading): mary lee ward, in the bed-stuy neighborhood of brooklyn, signed for a home equity loan from a crooked financing company, which tried to withold 85% of the loan in fees. she refused to take the loan. the company was later shut down for fraud, but not until it packaged her loan into a collateralized debt obligation, which was sold from bank to bank. deutch bank eventually foreclosed, and sold the property to wells fargo, which auctioned it off to a real estate speculator, who moved to have ms. ward evicted. she fought it every step of the way, on her own, without lawyers, and was outgunned. finally, this summer, she approached a public interest law firm called common law. they determined that she was at a dead end in the courts. but they had just helped form a group of activists, calling themselves organizing for occupation (o4o), committed to fighting foreclosure evictions and defending squatting. o4o did some outreach, and on the day last month when the marshal was due to evict ms. ward, 300 activists and neighbors showed up to say: if you want to kick an 82-yearold woman out of her home of 44 years, you'll have to go through us first. the speculator and the marshal never came. since then, the eviction notice has expired, religious leaders whom the speculator respects have pressured him to come to terms, ms. ward is still in her home, and attorney general schneiderman has agreed to investigate the foreclosure. she's not out of the woods yet, and there are countless others like her. but we achieved a small victory because people were willing to put their bodies on the line. sylver pondolfino --- On Mon, 9/26/11, Joshua van Praag <jvanpraag@me.com> wrote: From: Joshua van Praag <jvanpraag@me.com> Subject: [september17discuss] Fwd: an idea for artists in support of #occupywallst To: september17@googlegroups.com Date: Monday, September 26, 2011, 4:02 PM A thread started by my old friend mark Read -Joshua van Praag jvanpraag@me.com +1.347.445.8315 +44.(0)7787.896952 Begin forwarded message:
From: Gary Edwards <gary.chris.edwards@gmail.com> Date: September 26, 2011 2:57:39 PM EDT To: mark read <akawildman@gmail.com> Cc: Nato Thompson <natot@creativetime.org>, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com>, Andy Bichelbaum <andy@theyesmen.org>, mike bonanno <mike@theyesmen.org>, DeeDee Halleck <deedeehalleck@gmail.com>, beka@notanalternative.net, Marisa Jahn <hello@marisajahn.com>, Brian Drolet <bdrolet@earthlink.net>, Eva Lewis <eva@deepdishtv.org>, Danny Valdes <dvaldes21@gmail.com>, savitri d <savitrid@earthlink.net>, jason jones <surplus@notanalternative.net>, Josh Van Praag <jvanpraag@mac.com> Subject: Re: an idea for artists in support of #occupywallst Found this article today on Salon, about the NY Attorney General's mission to, to borrow Mark's phrase, end impunity for the perpetrators of financial crimes: hold http://www.salon.com/news/politics/feature/2011/09/25/schneiderman. No mention of Occupy Wall Street, of course. But we can make it so that the next article about this guy HAS to mention occupy wall st. Here is the contact info for the attorney general's office: http://www.ag.ny.gov/contact.html. We should try to get his attention - spread the word to anyone who's currently occupying wall street! Yes, he works for the state, which is ultimately going to protect its own interest, but he seems to want some of the same things that Occupy Wall Street is pushing for. I'm not sure what this exactly means for occupy wall st or for the attorney general, but it could be mutually beneficial... On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 1:33 PM, mark read <akawildman@gmail.com> wrote: From Brian Drolet, Gary Edwards, and myself:
-m
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Sahar Vahidi september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Fwd: fundraising Monday, September 26, 2011 3:22:33 AM
It would make sense if the she only allowed the "Made In The USA" items up on the store. When you build a Cafe Press store, you can pick which items you want to sell. I think this movement should stay away from outsourced labor in any way possible. Right?
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 2:27 AM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: Any objections? Justin Wedes Activist & Educator, Brooklyn Use your voice! Web: www.OurSchoolsNYC.org Twitter: NYCPubSchooler ~ There's something going on in the Islands... Check it out at USUncut.org/yeslab ~ Begin forwarded message: From: Kristen Harrington <kristenh2011@gmail.com> Date: September 25, 2011 11:26:51 PM EDT To: occupywallstreet.food@gmail.com Subject: fundraising Justin, My name is Kristen Harrington. We spoke on the phone this evening regarding fundraising. This is a link to my store(just set up today) at cafepress.com: http://www.cafepress.com/kristen_change This company has a home office in San Mateo, CA and 2 other offices in KY and NC. I am not sure exactly where the shipping is done out of. I have designed this merchandise myself and have marked the prices up from cafepress's by $9.17 across the board. All profits will go to fund the occupywallstreet demonstrations. Pleas let me know if this is something that can be approved for fundraising. I do not want to go against any of the beliefs of this movement while trying to support it.
Thank you for your time and stay strong. -GO HIPPOS!!! Kristen Harrington 510-857-6028 kristenh2011@gmail.com
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Fwd: fundraising Monday, September 26, 2011 8:51:19 AM
I approve and think we should move forward on this. On Sep 26, 2011 3:22 AM, "Sahar Vahidi" <saharvahidi@gmail.com> wrote: > It would make sense if the she only allowed the *"Made In The USA" *items up > on the store. When you build a Cafe Press store, you can pick which items > you want to sell. > > I think this movement should stay away from outsourced labor in any way > possible. Right? > > > > > On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 2:27 AM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Any objections? >> >> Justin Wedes >> Activist & Educator, Brooklyn >> >> Use your voice! >> Web: <http://www.OurSchoolsNYC.org>www.OurSchoolsNYC.org >> Twitter: NYCPubSchooler >> >> ~ >> There's something going on in the Islands... Check it out at >> <http://USUncut.org/yeslab>USUncut.org/yeslab >> ~ >> >> Begin forwarded message: >> >> *From:* Kristen Harrington <kristenh2011@gmail.com> >> *Date:* September 25, 2011 11:26:51 PM EDT >> *To:* <occupywallstreet.food@gmail.com>occupywallstreet.food@gmail.com >> *Subject:* *fundraising* >> >> Justin, >> >> My name is Kristen Harrington. We spoke on the phone this evening >> regarding fundraising. This is a link to my store(just set up today) at >> <http://cafepress.com>cafepress.com: >> >> <http://www.cafepress.com/kristen_change> >> http://www.cafepress.com/kristen_change >> >> This company has a home office in San Mateo, CA and 2 other offices in KY >> and NC. I am not sure exactly where the shipping is done out of. I have
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designed this merchandise myself and have marked the prices up from cafepress's by $9.17 across the board. All profits will go to fund the occupywallstreet demonstrations. Pleas let me know if this is something that can be approved for fundraising. I do not want to go against any of the beliefs of this movement while trying to support it. Thank you for your time and stay strong. -GO HIPPOS!!! Kristen Harrington 510-857-6028 <kristenh2011@gmail.com>kristenh2011@gmail.com
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Patrick Bruner september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Fwd: fundraising Monday, September 26, 2011 2:32:32 AM
That's great. If people send me info for every shop/store/restaurant that's in solidarity with us I'll stick it into a post on occupywallst.org On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 2:27 AM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: > Any objections? > > Justin Wedes > Activist & Educator, Brooklyn > Use your voice! > Web: www.OurSchoolsNYC.org > Twitter: NYCPubSchooler >~ > There's something going on in the Islands... Check it out at > USUncut.org/yeslab >~ > Begin forwarded message: > > From: Kristen Harrington <kristenh2011@gmail.com> > Date: September 25, 2011 11:26:51 PM EDT > To: occupywallstreet.food@gmail.com > Subject: fundraising > > Justin, > > My name is Kristen Harrington. We spoke on the phone this evening regarding > fundraising. This is a link to my store(just set up today) at > cafepress.com: > > http://www.cafepress.com/kristen_change > > This company has a home office in San Mateo, CA and 2 other offices in KY > and NC. I am not sure exactly where the shipping is done out of. I have > designed this merchandise myself and have marked the prices up from > cafepress's by $9.17 across the board. All profits will go to fund the > occupywallstreet demonstrations. Pleas let me know if this is something > that can be approved for fundraising. I do not want to go against any of > the beliefs of this movement while trying to support it. Thank you for your > time and stay strong. > > -> GO HIPPOS!!! > > Kristen Harrington > 510-857-6028 > kristenh2011@gmail.com > >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Lisa Fithian september17@googlegroups.com RE: [september17discuss] Fwd: Occupy Wall St West: Make Banks Pay! Thurs., Sept. 29, 3pm Wednesday, September 28, 2011 12:18:00 PM
Thanks Marina for reposting... I was gearing up to send this list a message about a fall campaign of actions targeting wall street and the big banks that grew out of the Week of actions in New York around May 12. It is being coordinated under the frame of a new campaign. 8-9 cities are rolling out weeks of direct action at the banks etc... http://www.newbottomline.com/press_room scroll down for grid of actions...... Actions kicked off in Seattle on Sept 20: 3 simultaneous hits, disrupting business summit, 11 arrests. http://www.newbottomline.com/ Oakland is in it now - we hit 9 banks on Monday in Oakland, disrupted a foreclosure auction, and divested from 3 banks. Yesturday we hit 11 banks in SF, a developer prologis and totally disrupted a Bay Area Business Council meeting at a baseball game at AT&T Park in San Fran. Today we do crime scene tape actions to close banks and a blithed neighborhood clean up and will deliver to banks. Tomorrow a big march in the financial district with a direct action...... Boston is doing actions this Friday and Sat - check it out - will be awesome. They attended the Occupy Boston meeting last night. Oct 3: Los Angeles kicks off again great actions are coming together for daily escalating actions. Rose Mary Gudiel's family tells why they are resisting eviction http://www.makebankspaycalifornia.com/ Big Day of Action Oct 10th -New York, Chicago and Minneapolis will kick off on Oct 10th - the Mortgage bankers are meeting in Chicago and we will be there. In fact looks like hundreds a day will be doing daily actions! Denver is Oct 24th I think and other cities are looking to join in. This movement is riding the fight against Wall Street with you! We're trying to get a calendar of the big public actions - will post when done! Hope you are all great, sure am missing Zucotti Park but am building this stuff and linking in as many ways as we can..... Peace, Lisa Some media from Boston build up.... Protesters try to deposit trash from foreclosed home at Malden Bank of America Boston Globe - Justin Rice - Sep 19, 2011 Dorchester resident Fank Maxey and other MassUniting supporters collected
bags of trash from an abandon home and tried to drop them off at the Bank of America in Malden Center. By Justin A. Rice, Town Correspondent Chanting Bank of America, ... Protesters Accuse Bank of Neglecting Malden Properties Patch.com - Chris Caesar - Sep 19, 2011 Bags of trash that were removed from 56 Clinton St were deposited at The Pleasant St branch of Bank of America. About ten to fifteen protesters cleaned a dilapidating, foreclosed property on Clinton St. Monday morning, ... Bank of America protested by people in Malden, Mass. NECN - 2 days ago Gus Cooks of Malden, who participated in the protest said, ... Bank of America media-relations executive TJ Crawford said the bank had been to the Clinton ... Wednesday's action at Gallery's home: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDLJqQ6acnI Protesters Dump Trash at Bank of America President's Beacon Hill Home Patch.com - Kimberly Ashton - 8 hours ago Upset over Bank of America's foreclosure practices, protesters dump trash in ... property Monday and delivered it to Bank of America's Malden branch office. ... Protestors Trash Bank Of America President's Boston Home Huffington Post - 10 hours ago Hauling several bags of garbage left at a foreclosed Bank of America property in Malden, dozens of protesters showed up at bank president Robert Gallery's
-----Original Message----From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Marina Sitrin Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 9:59 AM To: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: [september17discuss] Fwd: Occupy Wall St West: Make Banks Pay! Thurs., Sept. 29, 3pm Friends, I spent the last week making art and working with the community groups-- including many folks facing bank foreclosure on their homes--leading this mass mobilization against Wall St and the Big Banks. I'd say, this is an overdue key historic moment for anyone who can to throw down--take the afternoon off and maybe even go to jail. Please jojn me, hundreds of others and seriously hit up your folks to join you. It's part of a wave of community and labor led mass mobilizations in nine cities in conjunction with Occupy Wall St in NCY. hope, David *** PLEASE POST, CIRCULATE & SHARE WITH OTHERS ***
Occupy Wall St West!: Make Banks Pay! Big Banks helped to crash our economy, destroy our communities and wreck our budgets. Now they are back to record profits & bonuses while we are forced to pay for the mess they helped to create!
Thurs., Sept. 29, 3pm 555 California at Pine/B of A Plaza (Mongomery BART), Downtown SF Join us, as community groups, students, workers, faith leaders and others come together to stop playing defense and start going on the offense to say:
Its time for Big Banks and Large Corporations to Pay Up! facebook.com/event.php?eid=208886969173724 http://www.makebankspaycalifornia.com/mobilization_bay_area
-Seamos realistas, hagamos lo imposible ~ che
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Justin Wedes september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] FYI: My report for AlterNet Monday, September 26, 2011 12:58:43 AM
Tweeted. I corrected your spelling on the tag, but other than that retweeted as written: OccupyWallStNYC RT @JAMyerson: My report for @AlterNet on @OccupyWallStNYC and the mass arrests. http://t.co/jsBNSp6I #OccupyWallStreet 9/25/11 10:25 PM -j On Sep 25, 2011, at 10:14 PM, J.A. Myerson wrote: http://www.alternet.org/news/152524/inside_the_wall_street_protests%3 A_an_eyewitness_account_of_police_crackdown_on_peaceful_demonstrat ors.?page=entire -J.A. Myerson http://www.jamyerson.com 347.688.0241
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jon Good september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Global Democracy Statement for Consideration / Endorsement Tuesday, September 27, 2011 1:25:33 PM
I like the sentiment. I like most of the language. But I don't like the references to specific individuals and groups. Personally, I love Vandana Shiva's work and I support the Zapatistas. But they are not this movement. By naming them, we would be aligning our movement with them as individuals, and we would be privileging their specific struggles over others. I don't think they'll mind us quoting their slogans without attribution, either. (We are part of the same movement as Tunis, Cairo, etc. so it's fine to reference them). Below is the statement without the references to specific groups:
On 15th October 2011, united in our diversity, united for global change, we demand global democracy: global governance by the people, for the people. Inspired by our sisters and brothers in Tunis, Cairo, Bengazi, Daraa, Palestine-Israel, Spain and Greece, we too call for a regime change: a global regime change. We will not come to global institutions, hat in hand, begging for policy change. Today we demand replacing the G8 with the whole of humanity - the G 7,000,000,000. These are our global Mubarak, our global Assad, our global Gaddafi: the IMF, the WTO, global markets, multinational banks, the G8\G20, the European Central Bank, the UN Security Council, the World Bank, the Basel Committee on bank regulations and other undemocratic international institutions. Like Mubarak and Assad, these institutions must not be allowed to run peoples lives without their consent. We are all born equal, rich or poor, woman or man. Every African andAsian is equal to every European and American. Our global institutions must reflect this, or be overturned. Today, we say "Enough! Here the people command and global institutions obey!" We Say "True global democracy now!"Today we call the citizens of the world: let us globalize Tahrir Square! Let us globalise Puerta del Sol!
2011/9/27 Amin Husain <amin.husain@gmail.com> FriendsThis call has been sent to the Liberty Plaza Occupation general assembly for consideration and possible endorsement. The statement has already been endorsed by Sol General Assembly and a number of others and was, in its original form (for the G20) endorsed by Noam Chomsky, Vandana Shiva, Michael Hardt and others. English Spanish and Italian version are set out below the Arabic. I will bring it to the GA's attention today.
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Global Democracy Statement On 15th October 2011, united in our diversity, united for global change, we demand global democracy: global governance by the people, for the people. Inspired by our sisters and brothers in Tunis, Cairo, Bengazi, Daraa, PalestineIsrael, Spain and Greece, we too call for a regime change: a global regime change. We will not come to global institutions, hat in hand, begging for policy change. In the words of Vandana Shiva, the Indian activist, today we demand replacing the G8 with the whole of humanity - the G 7,000,000,000. These are our global Mubarak, our global Assad, our global Gaddafi: the IMF, the WTO, global markets, multinational banks, the G8\G20, the European Central Bank, the UN Security Council, the World Bank, the Basel Committee on bank regulations and other undemocratic international institutions. Like Mubarak and Assad, these institutions must not be allowed to run peoples lives without their consent. We are all born equal, rich or poor, woman or man. Every African andAsian is equal to every European and American. Our global institutions must reflect this, or be overturned. Today, like the Mexican Zapatistas, we say "Ya basta! Aqui el pueblo manda y el gobierno obedece": Enough! Here the people command and global institutions obey! Like the Spanish Tommalaplaza we say "Democracia Real Ya": True global democracy now!"Today we call the citizens of the world: let us globalize Tahrir Square! Let us globalise Puerta del Sol! SPANISH TRANSLATION (no est revisado) El 15 de octubre de 2011, unidxs en nuestra diversidad, unidxs por un cambio global, por la demanda de una verdadera democracia mundial: el gobierno global del pueblo, para el pueblo. Inspirado por nuestros hermanos y hermanas en Tnez, El Cairo, Bengazi, Daraa, Palestina-Israel, Espaa , Grecia y Chile, nosotrxs tambin exigimos un cambio de rgimen, un cambio de rgimen global. No vamos a ir a las instituciones mundiales pidiendo un cambio de poltica. En las palabras de Vandana Shiva, la activista de la India, hoy en da pedimos la sustitucin del G8 por toda la humanidad, el G-7000000000. Estos son nuestros Mubarak globales, nuestros Assad mundiales, nuestros Gaddafi internacionales: el FMI (Fondo Monetario Internacional), la OMC (Organizacin Mundial del Comercio), los Mercados Globales, los Bancos Multinacionales, el G8/G-20, el Banco Central Europeo, el Consejo de Seguridad de la ONU, el Banco Mundial, el Comit de Basilea de Regulaciones Bancarias y otras instituciones internacionales antidemocrticas. Al igual que a Mubarak y a Assad, a estas instituciones no les debemos permitir controlar la vida de las personas sin su consentimiento. Todxs nacemos iguales, rico o pobre, hombre o mujer. Cada Africano y Asitico es igual a cada Europeo y Americano. Nuestras instituciones globales deben reflejar esto, o ser anuladas. Hoy en da, como los Zapatistas Mexicanos, decimos: Ya basta! Aqu el Pueblo manda y el gobierno obedece.Al igual que los compaerxs espaoles decimos:
Toma la plaza! Democracia Real Ya! No somos mercanca en manos de polticos y banqueros. Hoy llamamos a los ciudadanos del mundo: Globalicemos la Plaza Tahrir! Globalicemos la Puerta del Sol! ITALIAN TRANSLATION: Il 15 ottobre 2011, uniti nelle nostre diversit, uniti per il cambiamento globale, noi domandiamo la democrazia globale; il governo globale del popolo, per il popolo, ispirato dalle nostre sorelle e fratelli di Tunisi, Il Cairo, Bengazi, Daraa, Palestina-Israele, Spagna e Grecia, anche noi chiamiamo per un regime di cambiamento. Non andremo dalle istituzioni globali con il cappello in mano, chiedendo l'elemosina del cambiamento politico, nelle parole di Vandana Shiva, l'attivista indiano, oggi noi chiediamo di rimpiazzare il G8 con l'intera umanit - il G7.000.000.000. Queste sono le nostre Global Mubarak, le nostre global Assad, le nostre Global Gaddafi: IL FONDO MONETARIO INTERNAZIONALE, IL WTO, i mercati globali, le banche multinazionali, il G8/G20, la Banca Centrale Europea, il consiglio di sicurezzza delle Nazioni Unite, la WORLD BANK, il comitato di Basilea sulle regole bancarie e altre istituzioni non democratiche internazionali. COme per Mubarak ed Asssad, a queste istituzioni NON DEVE ESSERE PERMESSO di dirigere la vita delle persone senza il CONSENSO DELLE PERSONE. Noi siamo tutti nati UGUALI, ricchi e poveri, donne e uomini. Ogni Africano, Asiatico uguale ad ogni Europeo e Americano, OGGI, come i messicani Zapatisti, noi diciamo "Ya basta! Aqui el pueblo manda y el gobierno obedece". BASTA! ORA IL POPOLO COMANDA E IL GOVERNO OBBEDISCE! Assieme agli Spagnoli TOMALAPLAZA noi diciamo "DEMOCRAZIA REALE ORA". La vera DEMOCRAZIA GLOBALE ORA!!! Oggi noi chiamiamo i cittadini del mondo: facciamo diventare globale TAHIR SQUARE! Facciamo diventare globale PUERTA DEL SOL!
FIN>>>> Y NUEVO COMIENZO
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jon Good september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Government for the people, not the corporations! Sunday, September 25, 2011 8:13:41 PM
I'm good with "democracy for the people, not for corporations" as a headline over the goals.
On Sep 25, 2011, at 12:05 PM, jemcgloin@verizon.net wrote:

At the march yesterday I was standing in store entrances and saying "Democracy is for people, not for corporations. Take your country back," and getting applause from many. One guy asked me, "Is this the change you were looking for?" the standard anti-Obama line. I said "No, The Democrats and the Republicans are selling the country to the highest bidder." He looked down and nodded in agreement.
On 09/25/11, Jon Good<therealjongood@gmail.com> wrote: Government for the people, not the corporations! I humbly suggest that this be the title above the goals we set. I have been back home visiting my family and volunteering at the county fair this weekend, and everybody really wants us to succeed, but NOBODY has a clear idea of exactly what we're about, and are not ready to support us because they don't know what they're getting. We need clear, simple things that everybody in America can get behind. That folks who have been laid off from their jobs while watching their bosses get million-dollar bonuses, folks who've seen their future destroyed when a company bought out their family's livelihood, and folks who never had the promise of a real job or real chance at the American dream can all identify with and say "fuckin' A! those guys are right!" together. If somebody can put this to the GA TODAY (I can't because I'll be traveling back to New York), I would be very grateful. I'm going to start making flyer and press release templates so we can get these out with whatever we end up saying ASAP. Solidarity, Jon Good
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Government for the people, not the corporations! Sunday, September 25, 2011 12:05:43 PM
At the march yesterday I was standing in store entrances and saying "Democracy is for people, not for corporations. Take your country back," and getting applause from many. One guy asked me, "Is this the change you were looking for?" the standard anti-Obama line. I said "No, The Democrats and the Republicans are selling the country to the highest bidder." He looked down and nodded in agreement.
On 09/25/11, Jon Good<therealjongood@gmail.com> wrote: Government for the people, not the corporations! I humbly suggest that this be the title above the goals we set. I have been back home visiting my family and volunteering at the county fair this weekend, and everybody really wants us to succeed, but NOBODY has a clear idea of exactly what we're about, and are not ready to support us because they don't know what they're getting. We need clear, simple things that everybody in America can get behind. That folks who have been laid off from their jobs while watching their bosses get million-dollar bonuses, folks who've seen their future destroyed when a company bought out their family's livelihood, and folks who never had the promise of a real job or real chance at the American dream can all identify with and say "fuckin' A! those guys are right!" together. If somebody can put this to the GA TODAY (I can't because I'll be traveling back to New York), I would be very grateful. I'm going to start making flyer and press release templates so we can get these out with whatever we end up saying ASAP. Solidarity, Jon Good
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jackie DiSalvo september17@googlegroups.com RE: [september17discuss] GPNYC has passed the following resolution Monday, September 26, 2011 11:44:54 AM
Seems fine to me.

From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of grimwomyn Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 11:15 AM To: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [september17discuss] GPNYC has passed the following resolution
I actually think that this is not a bad policy. Perhaps the compromise is that while the GA doesn't accept endorsements, it doesn't refuse them either. What is being made here is amazing, and people want to align themselves to the cause. Just allow them to send in their endorsements, we can still publicize them through outside blogs and twitter, just not through official channels. This way their alignment is public, which is why they do it, but not promoted through official GA channels....and as the owners of tumbrs/twitters/blogs whathaveyou the editors of those entities can choose to run an endorsement or not. what do you think? On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 9:26 AM, Jackie DiSalvo <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> wrote: The policy of the GA is to not accept endorsements. Should we change it? The argument for doing so is that many organizations and individuals share are perspective and want to endorse. Endorsements could widen our appeal to and help get our message out to the 99%. For example in some sectors Chomskys endorsement would give us prestige. Union endorsements would have a big influence on members of the labor movement. On the other hand, there may be some endorsements we would want to reject. Can someone explain the GA rationale for not accepting any endorsements?
From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Winter Siroco Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 8:58 AM To: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [september17discuss] GPNYC has passed the following resolution
Let's be sure that we start to list all the endorsements, letters of support, etc. in our web page. On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 8:48 AM, Jackie DiSalvo <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
The New York City Green Party and movement support the Occupation of Wall Street and condemn our autocratic Mayor Bloomberg under whose command the police engaged in systematic brutality of peaceful demonstrators against a predatory and parasitic financial order centered in Wall Street. We applaud the expression of direct
democracy that this occupation embodies.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] GPNYC has passed the following resolution Monday, September 26, 2011 11:15:25 AM
I actually think that this is not a bad policy. Perhaps the compromise is that while the GA doesn't accept endorsements, it doesn't refuse them either. What is being made here is amazing, and people want to align themselves to the cause. Just allow them to send in their endorsements, we can still publicize them through outside blogs and twitter, just not through official channels. This way their alignment is public, which is why they do it, but not promoted through official GA channels....and as the owners of tumbrs/twitters/blogs whathaveyou the editors of those entities can choose to run an endorsement or not. what do you think? On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 9:26 AM, Jackie DiSalvo <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> wrote: The policy of the GA is to not accept endorsements. Should we change it? The argument for doing so is that many organizations and individuals share are perspective and want to endorse. Endorsements could widen our appeal to and help get our message out to the 99%. For example in some sectors Chomskys endorsement would give us prestige. Union endorsements would have a big influence on members of the labor movement. On the other hand, there may be some endorsements we would want to reject.
Can someone explain the GA rationale for not accepting any endorsements?
Let's be sure that we start to list all the endorsements, letters of support, etc. in our web page. On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 8:48 AM, Jackie DiSalvo <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
The New York City Green Party and movement support the Occupation of Wall Street and condemn our autocratic Mayor Bloomberg under whose command the police engaged in systematic brutality of peaceful
demonstrators against a predatory and parasitic financial order centered in Wall Street. We applaud the expression of direct democracy that this occupation embodies.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jackie DiSalvo september17@googlegroups.com RE: [september17discuss] GPNYC has passed the following resolution Monday, September 26, 2011 11:40:55 AM
I dont see why not.

From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of grimwomyn Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 11:16 AM To: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [september17discuss] GPNYC has passed the following resolution
and I would love to promote the green party endorsement if you will let me... On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 11:15 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: I actually think that this is not a bad policy. Perhaps the compromise is that while the GA doesn't accept endorsements, it doesn't refuse them either. What is being made here is amazing, and people want to align themselves to the cause. Just allow them to send in their endorsements, we can still publicize them through outside blogs and twitter, just not through official channels. This way their alignment is public, which is why they do it, but not promoted through official GA channels....and as the owners of tumbrs/twitters/blogs whathaveyou the editors of those entities can choose to run an endorsement or not. what do you think? On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 9:26 AM, Jackie DiSalvo <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> wrote: The policy of the GA is to not accept endorsements. Should we change it? The argument for doing so is that many organizations and individuals share are perspective and want to endorse. Endorsements could widen our appeal to and help get our message out to the 99%. For example in some sectors Chomskys endorsement would give us prestige. Union endorsements would have a big influence on members of the labor movement. On the other hand, there may be some endorsements we would want to reject. Can someone explain the GA rationale for not accepting any endorsements?
Let's be sure that we start to list all the endorsements, letters of support, etc. in our web page.
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 8:48 AM, Jackie DiSalvo <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
The New York City Green Party and movement support the Occupation of Wall Street and condemn our autocratic Mayor Bloomberg under whose command the police engaged in systematic brutality of peaceful demonstrators against a predatory and parasitic financial order centered in Wall Street. We applaud the expression of direct democracy that this occupation embodies.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Doug Singsen september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Huge Possibilities for Outreach this Weekend!!! (Slutwalk, Rally for a Nuke-Free World, The Campaign to End the New Jim Crow) Tuesday, September 27, 2011 7:43:15 PM
Reaching out to other movements is super important. It might be the most important thing we can do to strengthen and expand the encampment. All these protests are at noon and 1 pm on Saturday, so maybe we should organize a rally at Liberty Park at 4 pm and try to bring people from these rallies to us. Or we could call one for Sunday, but we should really not schedule yet another rally at the same time as these other three. We want to bring these causes together, not make people choose between us and them. We should also try to organize as large contingents as possible to go to these rallies, while leaving enough people in the park to keep it occupied. Doug On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 9:17 AM, Will <william.russell.v@gmail.com> wrote: Hey beautiful people, Last Saturday's march was amazing until it ended in extreme police brutality, and I have a suggestion for how we can follow up that march with something potentially even bigger and in my opinion infinitely more significant. This Saturday is a huge day for marches in NYC, with Slutwalk, the Rally for a Nuke-Free World, both of which will likely draw about 1,000 people each, and an event for the Campaign to End the New Jim Crow. (I'll add more info about each of these protests below.) Unfortunately each of these events is planned for more or less the same time, which I think is indicative of the current level of division within the left, or at least its severe lack of coordination. For us to organize a large march for the same time would show a huge lack of solidarity and I strongly urge that we avoid doing this! I suggest that instead we organize ourselves into three groups based upon which event we would like to identify with this Saturday (tough choice I know!) and mobilize the mass of ourselves to show up in force at these events. I don't suggest that we organize marches from the occupation to these events, first because we need to save our energy for them and second because of the risk of drawing more police brutality to ourselves and also to the other protesters involved in these events. This is a golden opportunity for us to further project our reach beyond the financial district, build our own movement, and show our solidarity and establish ties with the rest of the NYC left. We can make Occupy Wall Street a place where previously fragmented segments of the left can find a unifying cause and a safe place to build campaigns around their specific issues. I know for sure that after
the police crackdown on us this past Saturday we gained a lot of sympathy from long-time activists in the city who might have been skeptical about us before and recognition that we are a force to be reckoned with. Let's show NYC, the country and the world that Occupy Wall Street is a place where different sections of the left can come together and unite around a common purpose. In solidarity, Will ---------------------------Slutwalk NYC - Union Square - Noon http://slutwalknyc.com/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=IEhxr4-Yhqw No No No No No No No matter matter matter matter matter matter matter who you are where you work how you identify how you flirt what you wear whom you choose to love what you said before:
NO ONE has the right to touch you without your consent. SlutWalk NYC is part of a worldwide grassroots movement challenging rape culture, victim-blaming and slut-shaming, and working to end sexual and domestic violence. Note on the name: This movement is a response to what the police commissioner of Toronto said at a gathering, that if women didn't dress like sluts, they wouldn't become victims of violence. This has already spawned huge marches across Canada, the US and the world (Mexico City, Honduras, Mumbai, etc) ---------------------------Rally for a Nuclear-Free Future - Pier 95 Hudson River Park - Noon http://www.nuclearfreeplanet.org/articles/coalition-against-nukes-rally-october-12011-in-nyc-and-across-the-us.html The Coalition Against Nukes National Day of Action flagship rally will be in NYC Saturday, October 1, 2011. Located at Pier 95 Hudson River Park, 12th Ave @ West 55th Street, from Noon to 3:30 pm The Fukushima Daiichi meltdowns inspired this grassroots action. It was intensified by the August 23 magnitude 5.8 earthquake that caused two reactors at Virginias North Anna nuclear plant to shut down. Twelve reactors up and down the eastern US reported "unusual events" to the NRC. Then, on August 28, Hurricane Irene demonstrated powerfully that electrical power and transportation routes can be disrupted over a very large area-for days and weeks.
In New York, Entergys aging, leaky, 40-year old Indian Point nuclear reactors, with uncorrected safety concerns yet under consideration for additional 20-year relicensing by the Obama Administration, are located near 2 fault lines, just north of NYC in a very denselypopulated area. Twenty million people live within 50 miles of Indian Point in NY, New Jersey and Connecticut. We stand with the people of Japan who are suffering this ongoing nuclear disaster. We cannot let that happen here! ---------------------------NJC: The Campaign to End the New Jim Crow Assembly Hall, Riverside Church 490 Riverside Drive [Enter on Claremont Ave] Manhattan, NY - 1pm www.endjimcrow.org The Issue? -2.3 million Americans are imprisoned (twice as much as London and four times as much as France). While African Americans constitute 13 percent of the U.S. population, they disproportionately fill the prison system at 38 percent. -Since the War on Drugs, the number of inmates imprisoned for drug convictions increased from 41,100 to 1/2 million with the vast majority being people of color. -According to a Health and Drug study, Blacks make up 14 percent of the drug user population, but constitute 54 percent of drug convictions in the U.S. Criminal Justice System. -5.3 million Americans are denied the right to vote because of laws prohibiting voting by people with felony convictions. This has resulted in the disenfranchisement of an estimated 13% of black men. -The "felon" label continues to bar ex-offenders from public housing, welfare and other basic rights The Answer? NJC: The Campaign to End the New Jim Crow Join us in building a movement to end mass incarceration and the injustices of the new caste system. Find out how you can help at our first open organizing meeting. All are welcomed! START study groups, DEMAND justice, CHALLENGE legislators, HOLD law enforcement accountable, DOCUMENT the struggle, GET INVOLVED! For more information, visit our website at www.endjimcrow.org or call 212-501-2112 ----------------------------
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of J Wedes september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Markka and the art exhibit on wall St Wednesday, September 28, 2011 12:17:16 PM
stay tuned. going 2 visit her today and see how we can team up on this project tomorro.w also going around and interviewing local businesses/street vendors on cam today about how the overpolicing affects their business. and giving them some business too -j On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:54 AM, Matthew Bralow <mbralow@gmail.com> wrote: yes, we need to help out in some way. perhaps bring up at GA for discussion if we can't come up with anything in listserve discussion. but yeah, some type of fundraiser event comes to mind. but maybe something more creative? On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 1:40 AM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: > Hey al, > > I spoke with the curator of the art exhibit at wall St and broad today, one of our first sympathizers in the week before Sep. 17. > > She expressed concern to me that police have been raiding her place often, once breaking her bathroom. She said there were homeland security officers, too. > > The police barricade has hurt her business, as it has also hurt that of many wall street vendors. > > She told me she started a Kickstarter proj to keep her exhibit open another month, and she's planning an event thurs night. Her caterer backed out of it under pressure as well. She wants to include some occupy wall street photography in her event on thurs. > > Can we do a sponsor-an-occupier-to-attend-this-art-show type thing? Let's try to help her out on in some way!! > > Justin > > Justin Wedes > Activist & Educator, Brooklyn > > Use your voice! > Web: www.OurSchoolsNYC.org > Twitter: NYCPubSchooler > >~ > There's something going on in the Islands... Check it out at USUncut.org/yeslab >~
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Matthew Bralow september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Markka and the art exhibit on wall St Wednesday, September 28, 2011 8:55:15 AM
yes, we need to help out in some way. perhaps bring up at GA for discussion if we can't come up with anything in listserve discussion. but yeah, some type of fundraiser event comes to mind. but maybe something more creative? On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 1:40 AM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: > Hey al, > > I spoke with the curator of the art exhibit at wall St and broad today, one of our first sympathizers in the week before Sep. 17. > > She expressed concern to me that police have been raiding her place often, once breaking her bathroom. She said there were homeland security officers, too. > > The police barricade has hurt her business, as it has also hurt that of many wall street vendors. > > She told me she started a Kickstarter proj to keep her exhibit open another month, and she's planning an event thurs night. Her caterer backed out of it under pressure as well. She wants to include some occupy wall street photography in her event on thurs. > > Can we do a sponsor-an-occupier-to-attend-this-art-show type thing? Let's try to help her out on in some way!! > > Justin > > Justin Wedes > Activist & Educator, Brooklyn > > Use your voice! > Web: www.OurSchoolsNYC.org > Twitter: NYCPubSchooler > >~ > There's something going on in the Islands... Check it out at USUncut.org/yeslab >~
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Yoni Golijov september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Massive each expansion! Tuesday, September 27, 2011 1:22:19 PM
Awesome!! On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 10:40 AM, MAd Hatter <progressivechange@gmail.com> wrote: We will be developing a newsprint broad sheet for mass distribution. ( kinda like a newspaper, but don't call it that :) We will run between 50,000 and 100,000 copies. We hope to have it done by Friday or Saturday. If you would like to help with this, please come by The Red Thing, on the south east part of our square at 12pm today. We would love to have a calendar in there, so please, please set up events for next week, so we can include them! Put events on the calendar, post them here... I think we have about 24 hours before printing....
-yOni
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Massive each expansion! Tuesday, September 27, 2011 10:51:38 AM
fyi: http://motherjones.com/mojo/2011/09/occupy-wall-street? utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Motherjones%2Fmojoblog+%28MotherJones.com+|+MoJoBlog%29 On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 10:40 AM, MAd Hatter <progressivechange@gmail.com> wrote: We will be developing a newsprint broad sheet for mass distribution. ( kinda like a newspaper, but don't call it that :) We will run between 50,000 and 100,000 copies. We hope to have it done by Friday or Saturday. If you would like to help with this, please come by The Red Thing, on the south east part of our square at 12pm today. We would love to have a calendar in there, so please, please set up events for next week, so we can include them! Put events on the calendar, post them here... I think we have about 24 hours before printing....
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Lucas Vazquez september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Matt taibbi coming tomorrow Wednesday, September 28, 2011 7:03:41 AM
But it does not give the privilege and distinction at the decision-making process On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 2:06 AM, Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com> wrote: I am against "special guests". Their influence and fame already gives them plenty of privilege and distinction at the occupation. Love, Jon On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 12:08 AM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: RT @alexfethiere: @mtaibbi says he'll visit #occupywallstreet Wed 9-28: http://t.co/VX2Y7zld Here's pic. Welcome him! http://t.co/8OcGNjvr A thought: should we have "special guests" at GA's? No special privileges, just shouting out influential folks who come out Justin Wedes Activist & Educator, Brooklyn Use your voice! Web: www.OurSchoolsNYC.org Twitter: NYCPubSchooler ~ There's something going on in the Islands... Check it out at USUncut.org/yeslab ~
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Justin Wedes september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Matt taibbi coming tomorrow Wednesday, September 28, 2011 8:05:02 AM
I have been informally using the special guest language on the twitter feed, and the feedback has been wholly positive, with many RT's. Do people object to my continuing to do that? Another thought is to seamlessly blend celebrity special guests and non-celebrity special guests, as I've been highlighting the stories of many people who've come out to the park who are not especially "famous" Justin Wedes Activist & Educator, Brooklyn Use your voice! Web: www.OurSchoolsNYC.org Twitter: NYCPubSchooler ~ There's something going on in the Islands... Check it out at USUncut.org/yeslab ~ On Sep 28, 2011, at 8:00 AM, "Jackie DiSalvo" <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> wrote: Its true that in this society celebrity brings unjust privilege, but because these people are well known, their presence brings us more publicity and helps outreach. And Taibibi is a progressive journalist who shares some of our politics, has been one of the main writers attacking Wall St (Why Hasnt Anyone From Wall St Gone to Jail?) and is probably coming to give us supportive coverage. It helps to know such people are around, so we can influence that coverage. Id like to know he was here.
From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Lucas Vazquez Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 7:04 AM To: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [september17discuss] Matt taibbi coming tomorrow
But it does not give the privilege and distinction at the decision-making process On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 2:06 AM, Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com> wrote: I am against "special guests". Their influence and fame already gives them plenty of privilege and distinction at the occupation. Love,
Jon On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 12:08 AM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: RT @alexfethiere: @mtaibbi says he'll visit #occupywallstreet Wed 9-28: http://t.co/VX2Y7zld Here's pic. Welcome him! http://t.co/8OcGNjvr A thought: should we have "special guests" at GA's? No special privileges, just shouting out influential folks who come out Justin Wedes Activist & Educator, Brooklyn Use your voice! Web: www.OurSchoolsNYC.org Twitter: NYCPubSchooler ~ There's something going on in the Islands... Check it out at USUncut.org/yeslab ~
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jon Good september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Matt taibbi coming tomorrow Wednesday, September 28, 2011 8:12:02 AM
I'm all for promoting high-profile stuff on twitter and social media. But I think it would take precious time and focus away from the issues at hand if we had any sort of process for recognizing celebrities etc. during the General Assembly itself. On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 8:04 AM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: I have been informally using the special guest language on the twitter feed, and the feedback has been wholly positive, with many RT's. Do people object to my continuing to do that? Another thought is to seamlessly blend celebrity special guests and non-celebrity special guests, as I've been highlighting the stories of many people who've come out to the park who are not especially "famous" Justin Wedes Activist & Educator, Brooklyn Use your voice! Web: www.OurSchoolsNYC.org Twitter: NYCPubSchooler ~ There's something going on in the Islands... Check it out at USUncut.org/yeslab ~ On Sep 28, 2011, at 8:00 AM, "Jackie DiSalvo" <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> wrote: Its true that in this society celebrity brings unjust privilege, but because these people are well known, their presence brings us more publicity and helps outreach. And Taibibi is a progressive journalist who shares some of our politics, has been one of the main writers attacking Wall St (Why Hasnt Anyone From Wall St Gone to Jail?) and is probably coming to give us supportive coverage. It helps to know such people are around, so we can influence that coverage. Id like to know he was here.
But it does not give the privilege and distinction at the decision-making process On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 2:06 AM, Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com> wrote: I am against "special guests". Their influence and fame already gives them plenty of privilege and distinction at the occupation.
Love,
Jon
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 12:08 AM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: RT @alexfethiere: @mtaibbi says he'll visit #occupywallstreet Wed 9-28: http://t.co/VX2Y7zld Here's pic. Welcome him! http://t.co/8OcGNjvr A thought: should we have "special guests" at GA's? No special privileges, just shouting out influential folks who come out Justin Wedes Activist & Educator, Brooklyn Use your voice! Web: www.OurSchoolsNYC.org Twitter: NYCPubSchooler ~ There's something going on in the Islands... Check it out at USUncut.org/yeslab ~
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Justin Wedes september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Matt taibbi coming tomorrow Wednesday, September 28, 2011 8:15:27 AM
Agreed. Justin Wedes Activist & Educator, Brooklyn Use your voice! Web: www.OurSchoolsNYC.org Twitter: NYCPubSchooler ~ There's something going on in the Islands... Check it out at USUncut.org/yeslab ~ On Sep 28, 2011, at 8:11 AM, Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com> wrote: I'm all for promoting high-profile stuff on twitter and social media. But I think it would take precious time and focus away from the issues at hand if we had any sort of process for recognizing celebrities etc. during the General Assembly itself. On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 8:04 AM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: I have been informally using the special guest language on the twitter feed, and the feedback has been wholly positive, with many RT's. Do people object to my continuing to do that? Another thought is to seamlessly blend celebrity special guests and non-celebrity special guests, as I've been highlighting the stories of many people who've come out to the park who are not especially "famous" Justin Wedes Activist & Educator, Brooklyn Use your voice! Web: www.OurSchoolsNYC.org Twitter: NYCPubSchooler ~ There's something going on in the Islands... Check it out at USUncut.org/yeslab ~ On Sep 28, 2011, at 8:00 AM, "Jackie DiSalvo" <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
Its true that in this society celebrity brings unjust privilege, but because these people are well known, their presence brings us more publicity and helps outreach. And Taibibi is a progressive journalist who shares some of our politics, has been one of the main writers attacking Wall St (Why Hasnt Anyone From Wall St Gone to Jail? ) and is probably coming to give us supportive coverage. It helps to know such people are around, so we can influence that coverage. Id like to know he was here.
But it does not give the privilege and distinction at the decisionmaking process On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 2:06 AM, Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com> wrote: I am against "special guests". Their influence and fame already gives them plenty of privilege and distinction at the occupation.
Love,
Jon
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 12:08 AM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: RT @alexfethiere: @mtaibbi says he'll visit #occupywallstreet Wed 9-28: http://t.co/VX2Y7zld Here's pic. Welcome him! http://t.co/8OcGNjvr A thought: should we have "special guests" at GA's? No special privileges, just shouting out influential folks who come out Justin Wedes Activist & Educator, Brooklyn
Use your voice! Web: www.OurSchoolsNYC.org Twitter: NYCPubSchooler ~ There's something going on in the Islands... Check it out at USUncut.org/yeslab ~

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I just pitched an article to In These Times in defense of demandlessness.

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We need to make incontestably clear what our message is.

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"Making the banks, corporations, and the rich pay"

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Ending the oppression of all marginalized groups, and

Promoting peace, solidarity, and economic justice.

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