Club 24 Thread: Playoff games - Tactical weighting

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Bejjita [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Ligaassistent] [Bejjita] Blev medlem: 2008-06-05 mne: Playoff games - Tactical weighting Skrivet: 2009-12-22 02:17:20 Citera Svara Are playoff games tactically weighted lower (like cup games) than league games? Just I lost a playoff game from my cycle today and I pretty much destroyed my opponent on tactics, won 3-0 against a slightly stronger team that day.. I know the game is neutral, but I expected to drop out of the lobby as it was that good.. but it seemed not. Maybe it's because it's neutral? I don't know, but surely that is no worse than a strong home win? Or maybe the difference between Bebbeth and I was too large, not sure, regardless, still alive and kicking for the top spot!

Deus Ex Machina.. future XCL winners. Flytta till verst p sidan Bejjita [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Ligaassistent] [Bejjita] Blev medlem: 2008-06-05 Svar till: Bejjita Skrivet: 2009-12-22 02:41:49 Citera Svara Here are the tactics BTW: http://new.xperteleven.com/cupGameDetails.aspx?GameID=1075338&dh=1 3-4-3 << Formation >> 4-4-2 Defensive << Playing style >> Offensive Through plays << Offence >> Varied Normal << Defence >> Tighten the wings Yes << Prepared >> No Careful << Aggression >> Normal No << Long balls >> No No << Pressure >> No No << Offside traps >> No Yes << Cheating >> No Yes << Win bonus >> No Rak Prasertchai << Playmaker >> Jalen Thatcher Rocco Brighi << Tightly marked >> None Evert Ottosson << Captain >> Rocco Brighi

Deus Ex Machina.. future XCL winners. Flytta till verst p sidan Colinzink [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Colinzink] Blev medlem: 2008-01-18 Svar till: Bejjita Skrivet: 2009-12-22 03:44:05 Citera Svara Pretty sure it is weighted as a cup game...that's what ties to my personal experience with playoff matches neways.

They took you nightman and you don't belong to them. They locked me in a world of darkness without your sexy hands, and I miss you nightman...sooo baaaaaaaaaaaaaad! Flytta till verst p sidan Neowhite [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Neowhite] Blev medlem: 2007-01-06 Svar till: Bejjita Skrivet: 2009-12-22 06:30:55 Citera Svara I got 12 manager points for a loss in a play a few seasons back. I think I got offence, defence, formation, ref values and the play maker spot on (although maybe I'm glorifying the memory), but that would suggest league to me.

My signature mentions Jarb. Flytta till verst p sidan Sevenman [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Ligaassistent] [Sevenman] Blev medlem: 2008-04-27 Svar till: Neowhite Skrivet: 2009-12-22 09:09:36 Uppdaterat: 2009-12-22 09:11:35 Citera Svara How do you work out these points? Today, after yesterdays game I am now ranked 263 and yesterday I was ranked 500, globally, is that how you figure it out? I obviously hit big yesterday I know that much. Apologies Bejjita for the hijack.

7 (seven) is the natural number following 6 and preceding 8 Flytta till verst p sidan Dmandmythdledge [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Dmandmythdledge] Blev medlem: 2006-06-04 Svar till: Sevenman Skrivet: 2009-12-22 13:12:44 Citera Svara Here's the thread that explains how to do it. http://new.xperteleven.com/viewLeagueMessageN.aspx?threadID=5178888&read=1&Lnr=0&dh=4 How points exactly you have is in a different thread though so I'll just post again. Skill Bars, Manager Points 1: [-87, -61] 2: [-60, -28] 3: [-27, -1] 4: [0, 32] 5: [33, 59] 6: [60, 92] 7: [93, 119] 8: [120, 152] 9: [153, 179] 10: [180, 212] 11: [213, 239] 12: [240, 272] 13: [273, 299] 14: [300, 332] 15: [333, 359] 16: [360, 392] 17: [393, 419] 18: [420, 452] 19: [453, 479] 20: [480, 512] 21: [513, 539] 22: [540, 572] 23: [573, 599] 24: [600, 632] 25: [633, 659] 26: [660, 692] 27: [693, 719] 28: [720, 752] 29: [753, 779] 30: [780, 812] 31: [813, 839] 32: [840, 872] 33: [873, 899] 34: [900, 932] 35: [933, 959] 36: [960, 992] 37: [993, 1019] 38: [1020, 1052] 39: [1053, 1079] 40: [1080, 1112]

The Chaos Cartel...simply the best Free the Karlos 1 Flytta till verst p sidan Sevenman [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Ligaassistent] [Sevenman] Blev medlem: 2008-04-27 Svar till: Dmandmythdledge Skrivet: 2009-12-22 13:25:58 Citera Svara Cheers Dman but the link doesn't work.

7 (seven) is the natural number following 6 and preceding 8 Flytta till verst p sidan Dmandmythdledge [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Dmandmythdledge] Blev medlem: 2006-06-04 Svar till: Sevenman Skrivet: 2009-12-22 13:44:58 Citera Svara Then change it to http://www. rather than new.

The Chaos Cartel...simply the best Free the Karlos 1 Flytta till verst p sidan Sevenman [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Ligaassistent] [Sevenman] Blev medlem: 2008-04-27 Svar till: Dmandmythdledge Skrivet: 2009-12-22 14:02:33 Citera Svara Nice one mate

7 (seven) is the natural number following 6 and preceding 8 Flytta till verst p sidan Duffster [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Anvndaren r ligaboss fr ligan] [r med i Hall Of Fame!] [Duffster] Blev medlem: 2006-09-11 Svar till: Bejjita Skrivet: 2009-12-22 15:25:13 Citera Svara I'd reckon with it being neutral it's weighted like a cup game as both are playing as the home team.

The usefulness of a cup is its emptiness. http://www.xperteleven.com/viewGlobalMessageN.aspx?threadID=3841256&forumid=26&read=1 Flytta till verst p sidan Saint_Ash [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Ligaassistent] [Saint_Ash] Blev medlem: 2007-02-21 Svar till: Sevenman Skrivet: 2009-12-22 15:28:03 Citera Svara I count it now by where abouts I am relative to where the skill bar started. So I have 12 skill bars, count the groupings till 13 then count it the following day. Instead of making a note of the managers within my own grouping.

Do something special http://www.blood.co.uk/platelets/ Flytta till verst p sidan Bejjita [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Ligaassistent] [Bejjita] Blev medlem: 2008-06-05 Svar till: Colinzink Skrivet: 2009-12-22 15:33:36 Citera Svara Thanks Zink, Neo and Duff.

Deus Ex Machina.. future XCL winners. Flytta till verst p sidan franzie [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] Blev medlem: 2005-05-25 Svar till: Bejjita Skrivet: 2009-12-22 20:49:51 Citera Svara Ursprungligen postat av: Bejjita Are playoff games tactically weighted lower (like cup games) than league games? Are you sure cup games are weighted lower? I'm not. Flytta till verst p sidan franzie [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] Blev medlem: 2005-05-25 Svar till: Bejjita Skrivet: 2009-12-22 20:49:52 Uppdaterat: 2009-12-22 20:55:07 Citera Svara Edit: double post I've recently bought a laptop. Hate not having a mouse. Prefer yourselves, I'm sure going to do a lot mistakes... Flytta till verst p sidan Bejjita [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Ligaassistent] [Bejjita] Blev medlem: 2008-06-05 Svar till: franzie Skrivet: 2009-12-22 20:52:25 Citera Svara Ursprungligen postat av: franzie Are you sure cup games are weighted lower? I'm not. I'm not certain (as in - I don't have a quote to support it from iwe), but I have tended to find that my increases in rank have been lower from my best cup games as opposed to the league games. This could sometimes be put down to me being the stronger team but even when I wasn't I didn't jump too highly.. last season I beat Forza Azzurra in the Euro League quarters and they're stronger than myself and I beat them heavily on tactics (got report if you want it ), and I didn't jump much.

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Flytta till verst p sidan Bejjita [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Ligaassistent] [Bejjita] Blev medlem: 2008-06-05 Svar till: franzie Skrivet: 2009-12-22 20:52:38 Citera Svara Ursprungligen postat av: franzie Edit: double post I've bought a laptop. Hate not having a mouse... Not a problem Franz.

Deus Ex Machina.. future XCL winners. Flytta till verst p sidan franzie [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] Blev medlem: 2005-05-25 Svar till: Bejjita Skrivet: 2009-12-22 21:09:40 Citera Svara Ursprungligen postat av: Bejjita I'm not certain (as in - I don't have a quote to support it from iwe), but I have tended to find that my increases in rank have been lower from my best cup games as opposed to the league games. This could sometimes be put down to me being the stronger team but even when I wasn't I didn't jump too highly.. last season I beat Forza Azzurra in the Euro League quarters and they're stronger than myself and I beat them heavily on tactics (got report if you want it ), and I didn't jump much. There could be other reasons why you didn't jump much. I've never calculated manager points, but t's not so easy to increase manager points, if there are few cup matches then it's not many managers that decrease their ranking. Easier if the whole league has matches. Another reason why people think it's more random in cup games is that every match is important and therefor conspiuious. Some tactics can overcome large differnces in strenght. Flytta till verst p sidan Bejjita [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Ligaassistent] [Bejjita] Blev medlem: 2008-06-05 Svar till: franzie Skrivet: 2009-12-22 21:19:13 Citera

Svara Anything you can suggest? I have not calculated how many I have earned before either.. but have a look please, thanks. http://new.xperteleven.com/cupGameDetails.aspx?GameID=1133254&dh=1 4-5-1 << Formation >> 3-5-2 Normal << Playing style >> Cautious Varied << Offence >> Wing plays Tighten the centre << Defence >> Normal Yes << Prepared >> Yes Normal << Aggression >> Normal No << Long balls >> No No << Pressure >> Yes Yes << Offside traps >> Yes Yes << Cheating >> No Yes << Win bonus >> Yes Michael Hodgson << Playmaker >> Rak Prasertchai Isak Demian << Tightly marked >> Michael Hodgson Michael Hodgson << Captain >> Isak Demian I had a skill deficit, prepped his formation despite it having been used only 2/3 of his last games, marked his playmaker, used my highest form, intelligent midfielder as playmaker (who put in the best midfield performance), beat him on both offence + defence, used a good formation + playing style for my team (my best in the situation available) and played the ref correctly. Sounds pretty good to me, but if I have missed an underlying error please state it.. I've done worse in league games and made bigger jumps in rank.. the only logical conclusion in my eyes is that cup games earn you less in manager points.

Deus Ex Machina.. future XCL winners. Flytta till verst p sidan Bejjita [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Ligaassistent] [Bejjita] Blev medlem: 2008-06-05 Svar till: franzie Skrivet: 2009-12-22 21:20:51 Citera Svara Ursprungligen postat av: franzie There could be other reasons why you didn't jump much. I've never calculated manager points, but t's not so easy to increase manager points, if there are few cup matches then it's not many managers that decrease their ranking. Easier if the whole league has matches. Another reason why people think it's more random in cup games is that every match is important and therefor conspiuious. Some tactics can overcome large differnces in strenght. Surely it is the opposite? When you are playing in the final rounds of the cup, there are less teams playing and thus less teams earning tactical points which would indicate more ease of a rank jump? Due to a larger number of teams remaining static as a result of not playing a match...

Deus Ex Machina.. future XCL winners. Flytta till verst p sidan franzie [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] Blev medlem: 2005-05-25 Svar till: Bejjita Skrivet: 2009-12-22 21:45:14 Citera Svara Ithink it easy also to loose points. In final rounds there are very few that can loose points. Take me for example. I was ranked no1, I dropped Ballbreakers and lost position, but after a short while I was no1 again ...without a team. Flytta till verst p sidan 12345

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12345 Frfattare Meddelande Bejjita [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Ligaassistent] [Bejjita] Blev medlem: 2008-06-05 Svar till: franzie Skrivet: 2009-12-22 21:56:38 Uppdaterat: 2009-12-22 22:00:25 Citera Svara Ursprungligen postat av: franzie Ithink it easy also to loose points. In final rounds there are very few that can loose points. Take me for example. I was ranked no1, I dropped Ballbreakers and lost position, but after a short while I was no1 again ...without a team. I can explain that: Back then, you and Kcnr1 were very close in regard to tactical points. The week before you hit number one with no team (20th June 2009) you and Kevin both lost 3 games off your cycle. The difference? You had two losses come off your cycle, most crucially - a league game, and then you also lost an XCL game. Kevin had 3 wins come off his cycle, which is a huge chunk to lose. You had no team, so you lost less points than him, but gained none, which put you ahead of him, but not by much. He lost big points that week. Then comes June 20th. You have no team, so you can not gain any points, Kevin plays on the 22nd in the cup and wins 4-0, but this is not enough to make up the deficit, (because cup games are weighted lower?), but then Kevin plays a league game on the 26th, he draws 0-0, but gains positive points. Now you both lost 3 games in this week off your cycle as well, but unlike Kevin, you are not playing games throughout the week in an attempt to replace the ones you have lost as you have no team, so therefore you suffer a huge drop in ranking. The final result is that come the 27th, Kevin has leapfrogged you in points and therefore you lost your number 1 status. That is the reason you were number 1 without a team, and consequently why you dropped back to number 2.

Deus Ex Machina.. future XCL winners. Flytta till verst p sidan franzie [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] Blev medlem: 2005-05-25 Svar till: Bejjita Skrivet: 2009-12-22 22:05:45 Uppdaterat: 2009-12-22 22:08:33 Citera

Svara And if you count 6 month back from your cup match? Couldn't be that you not earned points, but other managers bad matches disappeared? Flytta till verst p sidan Bejjita [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Ligaassistent] [Bejjita] Blev medlem: 2008-06-05 Svar till: franzie Skrivet: 2009-12-22 22:08:13 Uppdaterat: 2009-12-22 22:09:37 Citera Svara A fair point, I lose a game off my cycle the same day, it was a pretty poor home draw however: http://new.xperteleven.com/gameDetails.aspx?GameID=6490566&dh=1 EDIT - And look at the ratings they put out, horrific! They must have been weaker.

Deus Ex Machina.. future XCL winners. Flytta till verst p sidan Duffster [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Anvndaren r ligaboss fr ligan] [r med i Hall Of Fame!] [Duffster] Blev medlem: 2006-09-11 Svar till: Bejjita Skrivet: 2009-12-22 22:11:35 Citera Svara I don't think i'd have ever caught you [Franzie] or Motorroger to get to N#1 if cup & XCL matches were weighted similar to the domestic game points, both of you had over 60 games in your cycle at the time, I think if they were weighted the same there could be no realistic way of catching up on skillbars which at the time was 19bars.. I think it's weighted less so as the stronger teams don't totally run away rankings & still leave some scope for balance for the general user, could be wrong.. but would be suprised if you can earn as much from cup as a regular home league game.

The usefulness of a cup is its emptiness. http://www.xperteleven.com/viewGlobalMessageN.aspx?threadID=3841256&forumid=26&read=1 Flytta till verst p sidan Bejjita [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Ligaassistent] [Bejjita] Blev medlem: 2008-06-05

Svar till: franzie Skrivet: 2009-12-22 22:13:34 Citera Svara Ursprungligen postat av: franzie And if you count 6 month back from your cup match? Couldn't be that you not earned points, but other managers bad matches disappeared? I was ranked 16th on 19/9/09 (closest stat I have)... How many top 16 managers do you think earn negative tactical points in their matches? Barely any if not none in my opinion.. Even when I lose matches I still earn positive points.. so it will still lower my rank when I lose them off my cycle.. I imagine all other managers in top 20 or so are similar.

Deus Ex Machina.. future XCL winners. Flytta till verst p sidan franzie [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] Blev medlem: 2005-05-25 Svar till: Duffster Skrivet: 2009-12-22 22:36:55 Citera Svara Ursprungligen postat av: Duffster I don't think i'd have ever caught you [Franzie] or Motorroger to get to N#1 if cup & XCL matches were weighted similar to the domestic game points, both of you had over 60 games in your cycle at the time, I think if they were weighted the same there could be no realistic way of catching up on skillbars which at the time was 19bars.. I think it's weighted less so as the stronger teams don't totally run away rankings & still leave some scope for balance for the general user, could be wrong.. but would be suprised if you can earn as much from cup as a regular home league game. I'm in very deep water now, discussing ranking points that I never have been thinking much about. But I have hard to think what Iwe should have make differences to cup matches. Have you read Iwes statement about ranking points? Was it maybe sent to official news? Then we have managers like Angst and others, those who earned much points on only league and cup. How they earned much points if cup didn't? Flytta till verst p sidan Bejjita [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Ligaassistent] [Bejjita] Blev medlem: 2008-06-05 Svar till: franzie Skrivet: 2009-12-22 22:42:51 Citera Svara Well, Alex had a lot of games in his cycle (not a huge amount) but the reason that he was ranked so high is because he was so consistently good with countering his opponents. Remember that every player is entitled to a league game though, so everybody will get what.. 28 games in their cycle no

matter what assuming they don't move teams.. Lets just use some ballpark figures to illustrate the effect of weighting (purely hypothetical). League = x1 tactical points x 28 = 28 Cup = x0.7 x (say 14 cup games over two seasons) = 9.8 XCL = x0.5 x 6 = 3. Total tactical points = 40.8. This is assuming you earned one point per tactical game, but if you were to earn big points in each match then you could compensate for playing less games than other managers.. as every manager is entitled to the max points earned from 28 league games.

Deus Ex Machina.. future XCL winners. Flytta till verst p sidan gildar [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [r med i Hall Of Fame!] [gildar] Blev medlem: 2004-02-08 Svar till: Duffster Skrivet: 2009-12-22 23:04:16 Citera Svara Ursprungligen postat av: Duffster I don't think i'd have ever caught you [Franzie] or Motorroger to get to N#1 if cup & XCL matches were weighted similar to the domestic game points, both of you had over 60 games in your cycle at the time, I think if they were weighted the same there could be no realistic way of catching up on skillbars which at the time was 19bars.. FWIW, I won only 6 of the 20 league and XCL games A-chrome played last season, but I won a lot of cup games (reached the final). Somehow I made it to 2nd with this track record, so the cup must count for something. If you have a top division team you'll face lower skilled teams during most of the cup (which give you less points), and I'm pretty sure that neutral games count as home games for ranking purposes, but other than that I'm not sure the cup games are really weighed differently. But, like Franzie, I've never counted points per game myself so I could be wrong here.

~~ Team Sweden ~~ just nu *nst* bst i vrlden! :) Flytta till verst p sidan Bejjita [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Ligaassistent] [Bejjita] Blev medlem: 2008-06-05 Svar till: gildar Skrivet: 2009-12-22 23:08:29 Uppdaterat: 2009-12-22 23:09:18 Citera Svara

But Gildar you played something like 35 games from the beginning of July to October, that is more games in a half cycle than some amateurs manage to get through in an entire cycle! I would attribute your brilliant performance in the first half of your current cycle as the reason you are 2nd in the world as opposed to the second half.. but of course it is natural that with all these cup wins come more games, so it is also natural that with massive cup runs you will reach a higher ranking.

Deus Ex Machina.. future XCL winners. Flytta till verst p sidan Duffster [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Anvndaren r ligaboss fr ligan] [r med i Hall Of Fame!] [Duffster] Blev medlem: 2006-09-11 Svar till: gildar Skrivet: 2009-12-22 23:14:12 Citera Svara Like I said, I've never seen this confirmed just more assumed that it's not as great for points, but then I thought there was a random element too which isn't the case so it wouldn't suprise that it's no different. But.. if you're playing at home v another team also recorded at home then how would that balance with the engine as reading it as a home v away game in terms of points given? i'd be inclined to think the result value is lower for cup games but perhaps it isn't is complex is that & just weighted the same. Likewise with you two, i've never counted either, my basic maths doesn't stretch that far.

The usefulness of a cup is its emptiness. http://www.xperteleven.com/viewGlobalMessageN.aspx?threadID=3841256&forumid=26&read=1 Flytta till verst p sidan Duffster [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Anvndaren r ligaboss fr ligan] [r med i Hall Of Fame!] [Duffster] Blev medlem: 2006-09-11 Svar till: gildar Skrivet: 2009-12-22 23:28:42 Citera Svara Ursprungligen postat av: gildar so the cup must count for something. . Just to add - the cup of course counts for a large part of the ranking when you're reaching the top end because without it you can easy slip away after each matchday, it gives consistency to the rank, but you can still reach top 100 easy with say a 5th round exit/32 game cycle, which to me suggests the league games are the most important in terms of points scored. You reached the XCL final last season + the cup final this season, you must have around 50+ games in your cycle quite easy, hence N#2.

The usefulness of a cup is its emptiness. http://www.xperteleven.com/viewGlobalMessageN.aspx?threadID=3841256&forumid=26&read=1 Flytta till verst p sidan Duffster [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Anvndaren r ligaboss fr ligan] [r med i Hall Of Fame!] [Duffster] Blev medlem: 2006-09-11 Svar till: Duffster Skrivet: 2009-12-22 23:35:17 Uppdaterat: 2009-12-22 23:48:14 Citera Svara I count about 64 games in your cyle Gildar? give or take. If you were gaining as many points from say a home league match from those cup matches, don't you think your skillbars would be through the roof? I reckon there must be some give here in the points awarded to balance it. [EDIT] But when I asked iwe about the random factor weeks ago, he did say the engine is no different with cup matches, so that quote is lurking with me thinking that the engine also wouldn't be different when awarding manager points, if that's the case then it's more down to the manager not being tactically on the ball over the entire cycle + team strength. Strange cup times.

The usefulness of a cup is its emptiness. http://www.xperteleven.com/viewGlobalMessageN.aspx?threadID=3841256&forumid=26&read=1 Flytta till verst p sidan gildar [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [r med i Hall Of Fame!] [gildar] Blev medlem: 2004-02-08 Svar till: gildar Skrivet: 2009-12-22 23:56:35 Citera Svara Come to think of it, I won the cup season 21 (~6-9 months ago) so it's twelve cup games being replaced by twelve cup games. I won the league too in season 21, which make my increased ranking (from 15 to 17 bars) even more strange. Winning the league and winning the cup was obviously worth two bars less than losing the cup final, ending sixth in the league and winning a single XCL game.

~~ Team Sweden ~~ just nu *nst* bst i vrlden! :) Flytta till verst p sidan Bejjita [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Ligaassistent] [Bejjita] Blev medlem: 2008-06-05

Svar till: gildar Skrivet: 2009-12-23 00:01:31 Citera Svara Yeah but if your tactics are better in the period I described then it is more than possible. I speak to the Swedish manager Semme_88 a lot.. yesterday we were talking about the tactical cycle, he has about 41 games in his cycle give or take one. And I recall him having a win percentage of 80%, which is amazing! But his rank is only just inside the top 1000, obviously his tactics are not as good as his win percentage suggests, so despite his massive winning streaks and stuff, he is lower than the results indicate..

Deus Ex Machina.. future XCL winners. Flytta till verst p sidan Duffster [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Anvndaren r ligaboss fr ligan] [r med i Hall Of Fame!] [Duffster] Blev medlem: 2006-09-11 Svar till: Bejjita Skrivet: 2009-12-23 00:11:26 Citera Svara When i earned my best weighted points it was with Zeppelin who were weaker than atleast 4 of the top teams in the DL when I reached it & on par with those in D1 when playing there, when I had 6 games in the XCL it was against nobego & another strong Swedish team, but my results/tactics were great over this 6months [50 games] so perhaps it is the same weight on cup matches, but the strength is the key weight + of course tactics? I have a real strong team now & some lacklustre tactics - so to maximise this strength to = rank i'd need great tactics consistently & expected results.

The usefulness of a cup is its emptiness. http://www.xperteleven.com/viewGlobalMessageN.aspx?threadID=3841256&forumid=26&read=1 Flytta till verst p sidan gildar [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [r med i Hall Of Fame!] [gildar] Blev medlem: 2004-02-08 Svar till: Bejjita Skrivet: 2009-12-23 00:22:25 Citera Svara Ursprungligen postat av: Bejjita Yeah but if your tactics are better in the period I described then it is more than possible.

Yeah, that would be the most logical reason. But it still feels strange since I was very low on motivation for much of the last season and did very quick-and-dirty tactics for many games, sometimes without even bothering to check the opponent. Maybe the key to ranking success is "Don't think too much"

~~ Team Sweden ~~ just nu *nst* bst i vrlden! :) Flytta till verst p sidan gildar [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [r med i Hall Of Fame!] [gildar] Blev medlem: 2004-02-08 Svar till: Duffster Skrivet: 2009-12-23 00:24:48 Uppdaterat: 2009-12-23 00:29:53 Citera Svara Ursprungligen postat av: Duffster When i earned my best weighted points it was with Zeppelin who were weaker than atleast 4 of the top teams in the DL when I reached it & on par with those in D1 when playing there, when I had 6 games in the XCL it was against nobego & another strong Swedish team The difference between a weak team beating a strong, and a strong team beating a week is at least two points. If you play 50 games in six months, this adds upp to a significant amount.

~~ Team Sweden ~~ just nu *nst* bst i vrlden! :) Flytta till verst p sidan Duffster [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Anvndaren r ligaboss fr ligan] [r med i Hall Of Fame!] [Duffster] Blev medlem: 2006-09-11 Svar till: gildar Skrivet: 2009-12-23 00:32:03 Citera Svara Aye that would make sense on overturning the 15 or so games on Franzie & Motorroger who had extremley strong teams & therefore earning less weighted points for beating the weaker team, which i'm getting just now with current team. Ursprungligen postat av: gildar Maybe the key to ranking success is "Don't think too much" You mean doing a Mistra!!

The usefulness of a cup is its emptiness. http://www.xperteleven.com/viewGlobalMessageN.aspx?threadID=3841256&forumid=26&read=1 Flytta till verst p sidan Bejjita [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Ligaassistent] [Bejjita] Blev medlem: 2008-06-05 Svar till: Duffster Skrivet: 2009-12-23 00:32:56 Citera Svara Makes big sense indeed, same reason I rarely top best coach list in Xpert Series and why I always fly high in Chaos Cartel.

Deus Ex Machina.. future XCL winners. Flytta till verst p sidan Colinzink [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Colinzink] Blev medlem: 2008-01-18 Svar till: Duffster Skrivet: 2009-12-23 01:54:18 Citera Svara Ursprungligen postat av: Duffster but the strength is the key weight + of course tactics? Interesting theory, and would explain a lot in regards to why I never seem to get many points for early cup matches.

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12345 Frfattare Meddelande Colinzink [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Colinzink] Blev medlem: 2008-01-18 Svar till: Bejjita Skrivet: 2009-12-23 01:55:31 Citera Svara Ursprungligen postat av: Bejjita Makes big sense indeed, same reason I rarely top best coach list in Xpert Series and why I always fly high in Chaos Cartel. haha, sounds like I have a new excuse then for not being the top manager there...

They took you nightman and you don't belong to them. They locked me in a world of darkness without your sexy hands, and I miss you nightman...sooo baaaaaaaaaaaaaad!

Flytta till verst p sidan Bejjita [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Ligaassistent] [Bejjita] Blev medlem: 2008-06-05 Svar till: Colinzink Skrivet: 2009-12-23 01:57:52 Citera Svara Ursprungligen postat av: Colinzink haha, sounds like I have a new excuse then for not being the top manager there... I am second in Xpert Series mind you.. not 11th.

Deus Ex Machina.. future XCL winners. Flytta till verst p sidan Colinzink [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Colinzink] Blev medlem: 2008-01-18 Svar till: Bejjita Skrivet: 2009-12-23 01:59:47 Citera Svara lol, would u like a cookie? Xpert Series isn't the Chaos Cartel...

They took you nightman and you don't belong to them. They locked me in a world of darkness without your sexy hands, and I miss you nightman...sooo baaaaaaaaaaaaaad! Flytta till verst p sidan Mistra [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Mistra] Blev medlem: 2007-08-17 Svar till: Duffster Skrivet: 2009-12-23 02:05:38 Citera Svara Ursprungligen postat av: Duffster You mean doing a Mistra!!

shame i was not in XCL, my name would have been in HOF by now actually, i could use some support, i've seen the light and i'm on the right path now, even started to catch up on old threads (few hundreds of them), thus seeing this blatant provocation that i would have probably missed otherwise! Flytta till verst p sidan Bejjita [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Ligaassistent] [Bejjita] Blev medlem: 2008-06-05 Svar till: Colinzink Skrivet: 2009-12-23 02:06:32 Uppdaterat: 2009-12-23 02:07:35 Citera Svara Ursprungligen postat av: Colinzink lol, would u like a cookie? Xpert Series isn't the Chaos Cartel... Only playing Devils Advocate here of course, but I've been more successful in CC than I have in XS per season.. and that's with a worse squad. EDIT - And I'm talking results here, not ranking.

Deus Ex Machina.. future XCL winners. Flytta till verst p sidan Colinzink [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Colinzink] Blev medlem: 2008-01-18 Svar till: Bejjita Skrivet: 2009-12-23 02:13:53 Citera Svara more cookies for Bejjita!

They took you nightman and you don't belong to them. They locked me in a world of darkness without your sexy hands, and I miss you nightman...sooo baaaaaaaaaaaaaad! Flytta till verst p sidan Bejjita [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Ligaassistent] [Bejjita] Blev medlem: 2008-06-05 Svar till: Colinzink Skrivet: 2009-12-23 02:17:14 Citera

Svara How generous, any more cookies and I might not have time for tactics, and if that happens I might slip past 11th..

Deus Ex Machina.. future XCL winners. Flytta till verst p sidan Colinzink [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Colinzink] Blev medlem: 2008-01-18 Svar till: Bejjita Skrivet: 2009-12-23 02:36:54 Citera Svara in xpert series, you'd have to be pretty shit to drop that low...

They took you nightman and you don't belong to them. They locked me in a world of darkness without your sexy hands, and I miss you nightman...sooo baaaaaaaaaaaaaad! Flytta till verst p sidan Bejjita [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Ligaassistent] [Bejjita] Blev medlem: 2008-06-05 Svar till: Colinzink Skrivet: 2009-12-23 02:40:03 Citera Svara True, I would hate to see how far you drop then.

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haha, ok I will stop since you are incessant on comparing apples and watermelons. My league has something like 30+ top 1000 managers, if I'm 11th on that list, which I don't even know because I could care less, then I'm cool with that given who is probably ahead of me. Regardless, this wind up between us does nothing for the topic, not to mention it is painful to see you grasping at straws.

They took you nightman and you don't belong to them. They locked me in a world of darkness without your sexy hands, and I miss you nightman...sooo baaaaaaaaaaaaaad! Flytta till verst p sidan Bejjita [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Ligaassistent] [Bejjita] Blev medlem: 2008-06-05 Svar till: Colinzink Skrivet: 2009-12-23 02:58:12 Citera Svara Grasping at straws? Nice, so you have a bigger reputation than me on the site and the end result is you can attract better managers who are already the finished article. Good for you, and yes it is true.

Deus Ex Machina.. future XCL winners. Flytta till verst p sidan Colinzink [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Colinzink] Blev medlem: 2008-01-18 Svar till: Bejjita Skrivet: 2009-12-23 03:18:35 Citera Svara that wasn't my point, my point is that 11th in my league is still pretty damn good, and comparing the coach lists between the leagues is a futile practice. I see this getting personal, and that wasn't my intention so let's just stop and share an xmas pint.

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Citera Svara Takes a bigger man to walk away, kudos!

Deus Ex Machina.. future XCL winners. Flytta till verst p sidan Colinzink [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Colinzink] Blev medlem: 2008-01-18 Svar till: Bejjita Skrivet: 2009-12-23 04:07:42 Citera Svara cheers, it is wide too!

They took you nightman and you don't belong to them. They locked me in a world of darkness without your sexy hands, and I miss you nightman...sooo baaaaaaaaaaaaaad! Flytta till verst p sidan Saint_Ash [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Ligaassistent] [Saint_Ash] Blev medlem: 2007-02-21 Svar till: Colinzink Skrivet: 2009-12-23 11:39:33 Citera Svara I'm positive that the cup games carry less manager points, in this cup game http://www.xperteleven.com/cupGameDetails.aspx?GameID=1188117&dh=1 I won 3-0 on neutral and had 7 chances to their 0. Tactics weren't brilliant but considering you gain points for a win and more chances I thought I might at least get a few and I got no points. Absolutely none. I never had any games come off my cycle either. So it's either one of two things. 1: There is a weighting issue so where I'd win 3 manager points for the win it's put to 1 point and bad tactical decisions wiped that. or 2: There is a handicap in the cup for stronger teams, maybe start the game on -4 or something. Which sounds ridiculous but to have 0 manager points for a win and 7-0 on chances is ridiculous.

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Flytta till verst p sidan Duffster [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Anvndaren r ligaboss fr ligan] [r med i Hall Of Fame!] [Duffster] Blev medlem: 2006-09-11 Svar till: Saint_Ash Skrivet: 2009-12-23 12:19:37 Citera Svara Okay so we found out not long ago that there is deffo no random element in cups, now heres another piece to the cup jigsaw. Iwe just got back to me... With regards to cup matches on neutral grounds are they slighty less weighted than a domestic league match in terms of manager points? Ursprungligen postat av: iwe No. They are equal to any other competitive match. /Iwe So the main factor would be team strength and this being why stronger teams don't gain as many points in the cup due to gulf in skill? Ursprungligen postat av: iwe Yes /Iwe

The usefulness of a cup is its emptiness. http://www.xperteleven.com/viewGlobalMessageN.aspx?threadID=3841256&forumid=26&read=1 Flytta till verst p sidan Saint_Ash [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Ligaassistent] [Saint_Ash] Blev medlem: 2007-02-21 Svar till: Duffster Skrivet: 2009-12-23 12:24:43 Citera Svara So there's a team strength weighting that you don't get in the leagues then? So if you're stronger you get less points for your tactical decisions or just start on a non level playing field points wise? Interesting shit. Mail him "JUST FUCKING TELL US WHAT HAPPENS!!"

Do something special http://www.blood.co.uk/platelets/ Flytta till verst p sidan Marcone [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] Blev medlem: 2006-09-05 Svar till: Saint_Ash Skrivet: 2009-12-23 12:25:48 Citera Svara thought i'd add my 2 cents, probably useless but you never know ---------------------In 2nd leg cup matches the result from the 1st leg is taken into account. /Iwe >Marcone, 2009-12-07: hi iwe, quick question on the official cup matches. i believe you've mentioned that in league games when you're losing going into the last portion of the game your playing style automatically becomes offensive as your team chases the game. does this happen to a greater extent in cup games or is the dynamic exactly the same as for league games? thanks marcone Flytta till verst p sidan Saint_Ash [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Ligaassistent] [Saint_Ash] Blev medlem: 2007-02-21 Svar till: Marcone Skrivet: 2009-12-23 12:29:23 Citera Svara That is interesting Marcone, cheers. So the teams will attack more towards the end of the 2nd leg and not the first. What is it with everyone emailing the top dog aswell? When I've had questions I've had Seastream reply with a non answer as I've gone the proper channels and done support. Is Iwe getting more relaxed in his old age?

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2008-06-05 Svar till: Duffster Skrivet: 2009-12-23 12:31:38 Citera Svara Ursprungligen postat av: Duffster Okay so we found out not long ago that there is deffo no random element in cups, now heres another piece to the cup jigsaw. Iwe just got back to me... With regards to cup matches on neutral grounds are they slighty less weighted than a domestic league match in terms of manager points?

So the main factor would be team strength and this being why stronger teams don't gain as many points in the cup due to gulf in skill?

Ultimate way to whore the cup then is to win as the underdog. I wonder if XCL is equally weighted too.. If Iwe says it's so then it must be I guess.. Where is GRASSBANDITS when we need him, he must have a large backlog of point gains from league and cup matches by now to show.

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12345 Frfattare Meddelande Colinzink [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Colinzink] Blev medlem: 2008-01-18 Svar till: Duffster Skrivet: 2009-12-23 18:26:26 Citera Svara Good stuff, Duff. That helps explain it I think.

They took you nightman and you don't belong to them. They locked me in a world of darkness without your sexy hands, and I miss you nightman...sooo baaaaaaaaaaaaaad! Flytta till verst p sidan GRASSBANDITS [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [GRASSBANDITS] Blev medlem: 2007-11-15 Svar till: Bejjita Skrivet: 2009-12-23 19:37:11 Citera Svara Ursprungligen postat av: Bejjita Where is GRASSBANDITS when we need him, he must have a large backlog of point gains from league and cup matches by now to show.

Unfortunately all bar the last couple of my cup games last season fell on a day when I also lost a game from 6 months previous when I wasn't counting so much - but the previous seasons cup points are below FWIW... W1-0 = 2 points; http://www.xperteleven.com/cupGameDetails.aspx?GameID=1060559&dh=1 W4-1 = 4 points; http://www.xperteleven.com/cupGameDetails.aspx?GameID=1074662&dh=1 W4-1 = 10 points; http://www.xperteleven.com/cupGameDetails.aspx?GameID=1081196&dh=1 W4-1 = 5 points; http://www.xperteleven.com/cupGameDetails.aspx?GameID=1087379&dh=1 W6-5AET = 9 points; http://www.xperteleven.com/cupGameDetails.aspx?GameID=1090915&dh=1 L0-3 = 1 point; http://www.xperteleven.com/cupGameDetails.aspx?GameID=1097023&dh=1 The tactics for the 10 point game are below. My expectation would be 10 points from identical tactics and result in a home league game and 16 points in an away league game playing teams of similar strength (assuming I have at least two players benefiting from my through plays). 4-4-2 << Formation >> 3-5-2 Normal << Playing style >> Offensive Varied << Offence >> Through plays Normal << Defence >> Normal No << Prepared >> Yes Normal << Aggression >> Normal No << Long balls >> No Yes << Pressure >> No Yes << Offside traps >> No Yes << Cheating >> Yes Yes << Win bonus >> Yes Elof Hedin << Playmaker >> Antonino Pagliarini None << Tightly marked >> Elof Hedin Daley Holcroft << Captain >> Antonino Pagliarini

Every time I think we have hit the bottom, the ground opens up again and we fall a bit more. Flytta till verst p sidan Bejjita [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Ligaassistent] [Bejjita] Blev medlem: 2008-06-05 Svar till: GRASSBANDITS Skrivet: 2009-12-23 19:52:43 Citera Svara I lol'ed at them using offsides with a 2/1. Thanks GB.

Deus Ex Machina.. future XCL winners. Flytta till verst p sidan NMCL [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] Blev medlem: 2007-09-19 Svar till: Bejjita Skrivet: 2009-12-23 20:49:17 Citera

Svara Great topic opened my eyes, Duffster with the response from Iwe. Nice data from GB as well,10 points from a cup game (given the oppositions poor rating) is a lot isnt it? may just prove that the ranking points for cup arent that weighted! Which disappoints me given my current run and subsequent rank Flytta till verst p sidan SuperSprint [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [SuperSprint] Blev medlem: 2006-07-07 Svar till: NMCL Skrivet: 2009-12-23 23:01:58 Citera Svara Surprised over this discussion really but let's have a look. Facts: Iwe has said a long time ago that managerpoints take the opponent in consideration when it's calculated. -You get 4-3-2-1 (Away win-HW-AD-HD) manager points from winning against a team with equal strength, called winnig points. -And managerpoints from neutral games count as it was a home game. -When I counted skillbars for the early rounds in 2008, the MOTCup-rnd averaged around 12-14 manager points. Why it seems like it's weighted different is probably based on the early rounds for most of you and could be summed up like this: -The huge difference in team strength will not give you any tactical points for winning. -You'll be penalized for not playing with your best possible lineup since most of you use youths/backups in the early rounds. -You're a good coach often playing against a weak coach which means that your opponent is likely to do obvious mistakes, thus you will not gain as much tactical points as you could if he played good tactics. Make sense to me but I could be wrong. What do you guys think?

If I act like stupid, it's just because I want you to understand me. Flytta till verst p sidan Colinzink [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Colinzink] Blev medlem: 2008-01-18 Svar till: SuperSprint Skrivet: 2009-12-23 23:10:27 Citera Svara that's my interpretation of it as well, Sprint.

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Flytta till verst p sidan franzie [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] Blev medlem: 2005-05-25 Svar till: SuperSprint Skrivet: 2009-12-23 23:14:54 Citera Svara I agree with you. Here is some of Iwes statements on manager points I told about earlier: http://www.xperteleven.com/viewGlobalMessageN.aspx?threadID=1834568&forumid=10&read=1 There you can see that it's not easy for even managers like nobego to get much points, even if he thought he had good tactics. Flytta till verst p sidan gildar [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [r med i Hall Of Fame!] [gildar] Blev medlem: 2004-02-08 Svar till: Duffster Skrivet: 2009-12-24 00:44:09 Uppdaterat: 2009-12-24 00:45:24 Citera Svara Ursprungligen postat av: Duffster Okay so we found out not long ago that there is deffo no random element in cups, now heres another piece to the cup jigsaw. You should just have believed in me in the first place... on both accounts Ursprungligen postat av: Saint_Ash That is interesting Marcone, cheers. So the teams will attack more towards the end of the 2nd leg and not the first. No. The first leg will be same as any game (ie more attacking when behind). In the second leg the total score over both legs will be considered. If you won the first leg with 2-0 and are behind with one goal in the second, your players won't go offensive trying to get an equalizer but instead play more defensive since you're still winning on aggregate.

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Are you sure you are not Iwe's nephew Gildar?

Deus Ex Machina.. future XCL winners. Flytta till verst p sidan gildar [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [r med i Hall Of Fame!] [gildar] Blev medlem: 2004-02-08 Svar till: Bejjita Skrivet: 2009-12-24 00:52:34 Citera Svara Ursprungligen postat av: Bejjita Are you sure you are not Iwe's nephew Gildar? Rumour has it I'm even his second account. I don't believe in rumours though!

~~ Team Sweden ~~ just nu *nst* bst i vrlden! :) Flytta till verst p sidan Bejjita [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Ligaassistent] [Bejjita] Blev medlem: 2008-06-05 Svar till: gildar Skrivet: 2009-12-24 00:54:28 Citera Svara Ursprungligen postat av: gildar Rumour has it I'm even his second account. I don't believe in rumours though! Yeah that can't be true, you're obviously his third account following his second, Wayne.

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Citera Svara Ursprungligen postat av: gildar Rumour has it I'm even his second account. I don't believe in rumours though! so if it isn't a rumor, it must me true then innit!

They took you nightman and you don't belong to them. They locked me in a world of darkness without your sexy hands, and I miss you nightman...sooo baaaaaaaaaaaaaad! Flytta till verst p sidan gildar [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [r med i Hall Of Fame!] [gildar] Blev medlem: 2004-02-08 Svar till: Colinzink Skrivet: 2009-12-24 02:02:22 Citera Svara Ursprungligen postat av: Colinzink so if it isn't a rumor, it must me true then innit! Sorry, I'm not allowed to comment on that!

~~ Team Sweden ~~ just nu *nst* bst i vrlden! :) Flytta till verst p sidan Colinzink [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Colinzink] Blev medlem: 2008-01-18 Svar till: gildar Skrivet: 2009-12-24 02:03:14 Citera Svara ha, that's a yes!

They took you nightman and you don't belong to them. They locked me in a world of darkness without your sexy hands, and I miss you nightman...sooo baaaaaaaaaaaaaad! Flytta till verst p sidan franzie [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] Blev medlem:

2005-05-25 Svar till: Bejjita Skrivet: 2009-12-24 02:05:03 Citera Svara Ursprungligen postat av: Bejjita Are you sure you are not Iwe's nephew Gildar? Sometimes I can bet that Gildar know more about the game than Iwe does. Flytta till verst p sidan Colinzink [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Colinzink] Blev medlem: 2008-01-18 Svar till: gildar Skrivet: 2009-12-24 02:07:33 Citera Svara Ursprungligen postat av: gildar Sorry, I'm not allowed to comment on that! Not really on topic, but have you compiled any more CR data than this, Gildar? Glidar's CR stats: http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pg4_f0ML31K_rYI09uhC3EQ I have found this to be the best out there, so if you have more, I'd love to see it!

They took you nightman and you don't belong to them. They locked me in a world of darkness without your sexy hands, and I miss you nightman...sooo baaaaaaaaaaaaaad! Flytta till verst p sidan gildar [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [r med i Hall Of Fame!] [gildar] Blev medlem: 2004-02-08 Svar till: Colinzink Skrivet: 2009-12-24 02:14:07 Citera Svara Yeah, I should probably update that document. I have some recent data that is not included and there is also a major error in the document in that goalkeepers are included together with the outfield players. Goalkeepers have different increase/age ratio (at least older ones) and really should be in their own tab.

~~ Team Sweden ~~ just nu *nst* bst i vrlden! :)

Flytta till verst p sidan Colinzink [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Colinzink] Blev medlem: 2008-01-18 Svar till: gildar Skrivet: 2009-12-24 02:34:31 Citera Svara ooh, I am excited to see that, take your time of course.

They took you nightman and you don't belong to them. They locked me in a world of darkness without your sexy hands, and I miss you nightman...sooo baaaaaaaaaaaaaad! Flytta till verst p sidan Duffster [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Anvndaren r ligaboss fr ligan] [r med i Hall Of Fame!] [Duffster] Blev medlem: 2006-09-11 Svar till: Colinzink Skrivet: 2010-03-31 15:38:17 Citera Svara Bump!!!!

The usefulness of a cup is its emptiness. http://www.xperteleven.com/viewGlobalMessageN.aspx?threadID=3841256&forumid=26&read=1 Flytta till verst p sidan Colinzink [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Colinzink] Blev medlem: 2008-01-18 Svar till: gildar Skrivet: 2010-03-31 17:06:23 Citera Svara Ursprungligen postat av: gildar Yeah, I should probably update that document. I have some recent data that is not included and there is also a major error in the document in that goalkeepers are included together with the outfield players. Goalkeepers have different increase/age ratio (at least older ones) and really should be in their own tab. Have you looked more into this, Gildar?

They took you nightman and you don't belong to them. They locked me in a world of darkness without your sexy hands, and I miss you nightman...sooo baaaaaaaaaaaaaad! Flytta till verst p sidan 12345

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Blev medlem: 2007-08-17 Svar till: Colinzink Skrivet: 2010-07-05 17:58:14 Citera Svara bump and... Ursprungligen postat av: Colinzink Have you looked more into this, Gildar? Flytta till verst p sidan Bejjita [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Ligaassistent] [Bejjita] Blev medlem: 2008-06-05 Svar till: Mistra Skrivet: 2010-07-05 18:17:23 Citera Svara Gildar is gone.

Deus Ex Machina.. future XCL winners. Flytta till verst p sidan Sevenman [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Ligaassistent] [Sevenman] Blev medlem: 2008-04-27 Svar till: Bejjita Skrivet: 2010-07-06 00:02:09 Citera Svara Lolz!

7 (seven) is the natural number following 6 and preceding 8 Flytta till verst p sidan _angst_ [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [_angst_] Blev medlem: 2006-08-23 Svar till: Bejjita

Skrivet: 2010-07-06 02:13:20 Citera Svara Ursprungligen postat av: Bejjita Gildar is gone.

"I've seen the future baby, it is murder" Flytta till verst p sidan Bejjita [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Ligaassistent] [Bejjita] Blev medlem: 2008-06-05 Svar till: _angst_ Skrivet: 2010-07-06 19:54:15 Citera Svara Ursprungligen postat av: _angst_

Deus Ex Machina.. future XCL winners. Flytta till verst p sidan Duffster [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Anvndaren r ligaboss fr ligan] [r med i Hall Of Fame!] [Duffster] Blev medlem: 2006-09-11 Svar till: Bejjita Skrivet: 2010-11-06 13:13:21 Citera Svara BUMPTY

The usefulness of a cup is its emptiness. http://www.xperteleven.com/viewGlobalMessageN.aspx?threadID=3841256&forumid=26&read=1 Flytta till verst p sidan Basilbrush303 [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Ligaassistent] [Basilbrush303]

Blev medlem: 2006-02-17 Svar till: Duffster Skrivet: 2011-02-15 01:08:56 Citera Svara Bump

We are all Champions. We are all Walter Smith. Flytta till verst p sidan Basilbrush303 [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Ligaassistent] [Basilbrush303] Blev medlem: 2006-02-17 Svar till: Basilbrush303 Skrivet: 2011-05-22 00:41:04 Citera Svara bump*3

We are all Champions. We are all Walter Smith. Flytta till verst p sidan Basilbrush303 [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Ligaassistent] [Basilbrush303] Blev medlem: 2006-02-17 Svar till: Basilbrush303 Skrivet: 2011-09-04 23:31:46 Citera Svara bump!

We are all Champions. We are all Walter Smith. Flytta till verst p sidan 12345

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