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KhatinfoSubject: Methcathinone Info Methcathinone ("Cat") / Ephedrone ("Jeff").

=========================================== Initially reported as a street drug in the former USSR as ephedrone [1]. Reports of the use of "Jeff" leading to "numerous" overdose deaths were, it seems, covered up by the former Russian authorities. It has been banned in the USA after several labs were seized in Michigan. It was sold as "Cat", presumably named after the African shrub Khat (catha edulis), which contains cathinone [2]. Methcathinone is related to cathinone as methamphetamine is related to amphetamine, i.e. by N-methyl substitution. Reliable reports of effects in humans are not known to me. A recent short letter [4] in the Journal of the American Medical Association seems to me to simply to repeat assertions made in the American popular press. In the letter, it is said that users describe "Cat" as better than cocaine and meth. "Typical" doses are described as 0.5-1g and the effects described as lasting six days. This seems to me to be unlikely. What has been reported may well be equivalent to high dose, methamphetamine abuse on the "speed freak" pattern and is probably *not* typical. Animal studies [2] suggest methcathinone has ED50 of 1.9uM/kg (0.39mg/kg) , when compared to cocaine's 7.6uM/kg (2.6 mg/kg). This would make it *more* potent than cocaine by six times in the rat and suggests the human figure of ten times cocaine potency in the human reported on USENET as been given on Belgium television is not unrealistic. Indeed, this would put it in the same range as methamphetamine, which it may well closely resemble. Personal communication suggests it may well be simply equivalent to methamphetamine. The bottom line may well be that most CNS stimulants are the same, whether they be cocaine, methamphetamine, amphetamine, 4-methylaminorex or methcathinone. Differing the route of administration is likely to have more effect. Smoking or injecting such drugs leads to rapid build-up of the drug in the blood stream and an intense "rush". This route is more dangerous from a toxicologic point of view and likely to lead to compulsive use. Occasional oral use in social situations is likely to be the least harmful. Some people may find CNS stimulants psychologically addictive. Synthesis [1] A 2000-mL Erlenmeyer flask, equipped with a magnetic stirring bar, was charged with methylene chloride (200 mL), acetic acid (10 mL) water (100 mL), potassium permanganate (2g) and ephedrine hydrochloride (2g). The solution was stirred at room temperature for 30 min. This was followed by the addition of sufficient sodium hydrogen sulfite to reduce the precipitated manganese dioxide. The aqueous phase was made basic with 5N sodium hydroxide (NaOH) and the methylene chloride was separated. The organic layer was extracted with 0.5N sulfuric acid (H2SO4). Isolation of the acid layer followed by basification with sodium bicarbonate and extraction with methylene chloride (50 mL, three times), removed the product into the organic phase. The solvent was concentrated by rotary evaporation, followed by column chromatography through neutral alumina with methylene chloride. Solvent removal through rotary evaporation produced a colorless liquid which was disolved in hexane. Gaseous hydrochloric acid was bubbled into the hexane to precipitate the amine hydrochloride to produce a 1-g (50%) yield of 2-methylamino-1-phenylpropan-1-one hydrochloride. Ephedrone, like methamphetamine, processes one asymmetric center. Depending upon the synthetic precursor, l-ephedrine (1R,2S) or d-pseudoephedrine (1S,2R), the product expected would be d-ephedrone (2S) or l-ephedrone (2R), respectively. However, depending on the

heat of the reaction or harsh extraction conditions the enolizable ketone will result in a racemic d,l-ephedrone. Synthesis [3] A solution composed of 0.99g of sodium dichromate and 133g of concentrated sulfuric acid dissolved in 4.46 cc of water is added slowly with stirring to 1.65g of l-ephedrine dissolved in 4.7 cc of water and 0.55 cc of concentrated sulfuric acid at room temperature. The mixture is stirred at room temperature for an additional 4 to 6 hours and then made alkaline with sodium hydroxide soloution. the aqueous mixture is extracted with two volumes of chloroform and then with two volumes of ether. The organic extracts containing the free base of 1-a-methylaminoprophenone are combined, treated with an excess of dry hydrogen chloride and the solvents evaporated. The residual 1-a-methylaminopropiophenone hydrochloride is stirred with petroleum ether, collected and purified by dissolving in ethanol and reprecipitating with ether. m.p. 182-184 o C. (1) Zingel, K.Y., Dovensky, W., Crossman, A. and Allen, A., "Ephedrone: 2-Methylamino-1-Phenylpropane-1-One (Jeff)," Journal of Forensic Sciences, v. 36, No.3, May 1991, pp.915-920 (2) Young, R. and R.A. Glennon. "Cocaine-Stimulus Generalization to Two New Designer Drugs: Methcathinone and 4-Methylaminorex" Pharmacol. Biochem. Behav. 45(1) 229-231, 1993 (3) Glennon, R.A., Yousif, M., Kalix, P. "Methcathinone: A new and potent amphetamine-like agent." Pharmacol. Biochem. Behav. 26:547-5451, 1987. (3) British Patent, 768,772 (1954). (4) Goldstone, M.S., "Cat - Methcathinone - A New Drug of Abuse" Journal of the American Medical Association v269 no 19 p2508 (letter) 1993 ------------------------------------------------------------------------To find out more about the anon service, send mail to help@anon.penet.fi. Due to the double-blind, any mail replies to this message will be anonymized, and an anonymous id will be allocated automatically. You have been warned. Please report any problems, inappropriate use etc. to admin@anon.penet.fi. ============================================================================= From: cooper@hacktic.nl (cooper) Newsgroups: alt.drugs Subject: Re: Ephedrine Derivatives Date: 10 Oct 1993 14:12:39 +0100 Message-ID: <2991olINNo8m@xs4all.hacktic.nl> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes: >In article <1993Oct9.200043.25880@news.yale.edu> potter@minerva.cis.yale.edu (Philip G. Potter) writes: > >It is supposedly easy to make, using Ephedrine Hydrochloride (over the > >counter stimulant) and other household chemicals. Do anyone have any > >information on this. >You've got to be kidding. You'd need a chemistry lab. Well, a chemistry lab and some knowledge _might_ help, but hey, if you wanna give it a shot, Here's howto: (well, at the end of this post, that is! Oh this is the end huh?? Ok, here goes: I've never tried this synthesis, and I can't be sure baout anything. However, if your kitchen does not explode, and you have a good time anyway, lemme know. Methcathinone Preparing the ephedrine/pseudoephedrine solution: Method A: Add enough water to completely dissolve pure ephedrine or pseudoephedrine. Method B: Wash sudaphed tablets in cold water until most (it's impossible to get all of it) of the red coating is gone. Put the tablets in hot water, heat them to boiling, and stir until the tablets

have completely dissolved. Filter off the liquid. The amount of water the (pseudo-)ephedrine [I'll call it ephedrine from now on for simplicity] is dissolved in is not too important - it should be as little as possible, but at least as much as the amount of sulfuric acid that is added later (to insure to that the potassium dichromate dissolves). To this aqueous mixture add 0.62 grams of potassium dichromate for every gram of ephedrine in the solution. If you used sudaphed tablets, figure by the theoretical amount in solution (number of tablets X content of each tablet). Slowly add 3ml Sulfuric for each gram ephedrine, stirring as you add it. Let react for 30-60 minutes. The color should go from a bright red/orange to a dark color (a mixture of green and orange from the two ionization states of the chromium). Basify the solution with concentrated sodium hydroxide solution until you see the solution become a bright green (green with a white precipitate - the methcathinone). This happens above pH 8. Try not to add too much hydroxide (if you do the solution becomes black and there is probably some decomposition of the methcathinone). Extract 3-4 times with naptha (add the naptha, shake it up, pour off as much naptha as you can - but DON'T get ANY reaction mixture in the extracts!). Use as much naptha as would equal about 50-100 percent of the reaction mixture. Quickly add the extracts to 25ml of hydrochloric acid, diluted 1 part 36% HCl to 4-5 parts water. Shake the mixture, extract off the aqueous (lower) portion. This is an acid solution of the methcathinone. [you may want to extract a second time with HCl to get a slightly higher yield, a 3rd time adds nothing.] Evaporate the mixture under low to medium heat (preferably under a vacuum) until it becomes thick. Add acetone and stir it a little. if the mixture doesn't become white (crystalline) right away, it hasn't been evaporated enough. Continue evaporating and adding acetone until it does. Be careful not to burn the thick mixture (adding acetone helps keep the temperature down). After getting crystals/precipitate, cover the mixture tightly and put in a freezer for 15 minutes. Remove from the freezer, filter the crystals off and wash with a small amount of cold acetone. [If the crystals are less than white, you may want to purify them by boiling and stirring them in acetone again, cooling the mixture and refiltering as described above.] The white crystals/powder is methcathinone HCL. I wouldn't take more than 20mg for a first dose, and I wouldn't take it if I had a history of heart disease or stroke in the family, or if I had high blood pressure. Really, really habit forming. Very, very pleasurable. BE CAREFUL. Don't introduce this stuff to kids or sell it or I will personally hunt you down. NOTES: This synthesis is very forgiving. Substitutions of potassium hydroxide for sodium hydroxide, sodium dichromate for potassium dichromate and similar subsitution will not have an impact. I wouldn't substitute anything for the sulfuric acid, however. HCl is used to make the drug salt because it is so easy to evaporate the excess off. Any method of making drug salts you are familiar with should be satisfactory. Ether works a little better than naptha, but it's more dangerous. I stay away from it.

--------------------------------------------------------------------Cooper ============================================================================= Message-ID: <051314Z09071994@anon.penet.fi> Newsgroups: alt.drugs From: an42976@anon.penet.fi Date: Sat, 9 Jul 1994 05:11:24 UTC Subject: Tips for CAT synthesis Through experience I have compiled the following tips for ppl wanting to do the CAT synthesis. It isn't hard, but the posted synthesis cannot lead to good results becuase of certain ommisions. I don't know if these were omitted deliberately as to stop non-chemists from completing it or whether the author of the original article just forgot. In any case, here are some things you should be aware of. 1) When dissolving the ephedrine don't use 'as little amount of water as possible' as the instructions say. This will lead to a very thick reaction mixture. When extracting with naphta this thickness will prevent separation of layers. The naphta will stay in suspension and the naphta that does separate will not contain high amounts of CAT. This leads to unacceptably low yields. Use about 10 ml. of water per gram of dissolved ephedrine. Do not use tap-water, get de-mineralised water. Trace amounts of minerals will inhibit the reaction. 2) Add the sulphuric acid *very slowly*. If you don't, local concentrations will get too high, causing the ephedrine to break down. Stir well while adding the H2SO4. 3) This is the most important omission: The whole reaction mixture has to be cooled while basifying it with Sodium hydroxyde. The heat developed during this stage will cause practicaly all the CAT to break down if you don't. The best way to cool it is as follows: Place the reaction mixture in an ice-bath 10 minutes before adding the NaOH. Then, just before adding the NaOH, chuck a handfull of salt over the ice (NOT in the reaction mixture!) This will cause the temperature to drop another couple of degrees, ensuring a good cooling. 4) Use a magnetic stirring device troughout the whole procedure. 5) When extracting the CAT from the naphta with the HCl use a 20% solution in stead of the mentioned 10% (approx.) 6) When evaporating the excess amounts of water (preferably under vacuum) do not let the temperature exceed 70 degrees C. (approx 150 F.) Again, the high temperature would cause the CAT to disintegrate. :-( If you follow these additional comments, you should be able to have success! The anonymous chemist. ------------------------------------------------------------------------To find out more about the anon service, send mail to help@anon.penet.fi. Due to the double-blind, any mail replies to this message will be anonymized, and an anonymous id will be allocated automatically. You have been warned. Please report any problems, inappropriate use etc. to admin@anon.penet.fi. ============================================================================= _____________________________________________________________________________ MAKING CAT (METHCATHINONE) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ For a more complete description of how cat is made read "Secrets of Methamphetamine Manufacture" (Third Edition), available from Loompanics Unlimited, PO Box 1197 Port Townsend, WA 98368 USA. Eye protection is needed and this is done in a well-ventilated area. AT LEAST a year of college chemistry lab experience is needed to realize the dangers involved here. This article is for information purposes only. Cat (METHCATHINONE) is made by oxidizing EPHEDRINE, while METHAMPHETAMINE is

made by reducing EPHEDRINE. Cat is best made by using CHROME in the +6 oxidation state as the oxidizer. Any of the common hexavalent CHROME salts can be used as the oxidizer in this reaction. Some of these are CHROME TRIOXIDE (CrO3), SODIUM or POTASSIUM CHROMATE (Na2CrO4), and SODIUM or POTASSIUM DICHROMATE (Na2Cr2O7). All of these chemicals are very common. CHROME TRIOXIDE is used in chrome plating. First the chemist dissolves EPHEDRINE pills containing a total of 25 grams of EPHEDRINE HYDROCHLORIDE or EPHEDRINE SULFATE in distilled water. EPHEDRINE pills usually contain 25mg each of EPHEDRINE so 1000 pills would be needed. Grinding them up isn't necessary. Let them sit overnight or shake the solution hard for a while. When they're dissolved bring the solution to a gentle boil while constantly stirring so none of it burns. As soon as it starts boiling remove it from the heat and pour through 3 coffee filters layered together to filter out the unwanted filler crap. Usually it is necessary to hold the filters like a bag with the liquid that didn't go through and gently squeeze to get the liquid to go through. The result is an almost totally clear liquid which is the EPHEDRINE extract in water. Throw the mush left in the filter away. The EPHEDRINE extract is poured into any convenient glass container. Next, 75 grams of any of the above mentioned CHROMIUM compounds is added. They dissolve easily to form a reddish or orange colored solution. Finally, CONCENTRATED SULFURIC ACID (it usually comes as 96-98%) is carefully added. If CrO3 is being used, 21 ml is enough. If one of the CHROMATES is being used, 42 ml is needed. These chemicals are thoroughly mixed together and allowed to sit for several hours with occasional stirring. After several hours LYE solution (1 part water, 1 part LYE) is very slowly and carefully added dropwise with strong stirring until the solution is strongly basic (pH 11 or more). This strong stirring is to make sure the cat is converted to the free base. Next, TOLUENE is used to extract the cat. Usually this is done with a sep funnel (separatory funnel, which is a flask with a funnel-shaped bottom and a stopcock (valve) on the very bottom. Sep funnels are used for separating liquids by opening the valve on the bottom and letting the bottom-most layer of liquid drain out.) but a regular glass bottle should be fine but using a plastic cap wouldn't be good. For safety, the bottle would need to be "burped" often anyway to make sure no gasses build up in it. A large eyedropper-type tool could be used to efficiently remove the cat layer. A couple hundred ml's of TOLUENE is added and the container is strongly shaken to make sure the all of the cat free base gets into the TOLUENE layer. Shake until it resembles milk (fine suspended globules of TOLUENE within the water layer). Shake really hard, then allow it to separate. Insufficent shaking will result in poor yield with some undissolved cat base remaining in the spent sludge layer. The TOLUENE layer should be clear to pale yellow in color. The water layer should be orange mixed with green. The green may settle out as a heavy sludge. The water layer is thrown away and the TOLUENE layer is washed once with water and then poured into another container. ("Washed" here means that water is added and the mixture shaken again and separated. The cat free base stays in the TOLUENE layer because it doesn't dissolve in water. Any remaining water-soluble impurities are dissolved into the water layer and not the TOLUENE layer and thus they're "washed" out.) The cat free base now must be converted to cat salt (METHCATHINONE HCL). Here are 2 methods for doing this. METHOD 1 ~~~~~~~~ Dry HCL gas is made and bubbled through the TOLUENE solution to turn the cat free base into cat salt (METHCATHINONE HCL). A bottle is selected for holding the gas-producing mixture and a 1-hole stopper will be put in the top of the bottle. One end of a J-shaped glass tube (about 1/4 inch diameter) is pushed into the stopper. This glass tube will reach from the top of the gas-producing bottle down into the bottle holding the TOLUENE-cat mixture. It should reach

the bottom of the mixture. Usually a sep funnel is used to add SULFURIC ACID to the gas-producing mixture through a second hole in the stopper to keep gas flowing. If one doesn't have access to a sep funnel it should be possible to take the stopper out of the gas-producing bottle just long enough to add a little SULFURIC ACID when it's needed to keep gas flowing. Place 200 grams of TABLE SALT into the gas-producing bottle. 35% CONCENTRATED HYDROCHLORIC ACID (reagent grade) is added and they are mixed into a paste. The surface of the paste should be rough with lots of holes poked into it for good gas production. About 1 ml of CONCENTRATED (96-98%) SULFURIC ACID is added to the paste. This dehydrates the HYDROCHLORIC ACID and produces HYDROGEN CHLORIDE GAS (** DO NOT BREATHE THIS GAS! **). This gas goes out of the gas-producing bottle through the glass tube and bubbles through the TOLUENE-cat solution turning cat free base into cat salt. The cat salt should appear as crystals and after a while the solution should be thick with them. The crystals are recovered by pouring through a filter. The crystals are then dried by evaporating the TOLUENE with gentle heat or under a vacuum. Voila. Pure METHCATHINONE-HCL. METHOD 2 ~~~~~~~~ That was the "ideal" method. The practical method is to dump the base/solvent solution into a container, add an amount of DILUTE HCl, shake, shake, shake, measure pH, if it is greater than 7 (pH above 7 is basic), add more acid, shake, shake, shake, and check pH again. Keep it up until the pH is low, staying well below 7 (pH below 7 is acidic), then remove the solvent layer and keep for reuse. Add BAKING SODA to the water layer a little at a time until it stops bubbling when more is added. Check the pH, make sure it is 7 (neutral) or higher. The water is now evaporated away on non-plastic plates or pans and the dried METHCATHINONE HCL can be scraped off with a razor blade. The METHCATHINONE HCl has a trace of SODIUM CHLORIDE (TABLE SALT) and an even smaller trace of SODIUM BICARBONATE (BAKING SODA). The BAKING SODA combines with the excess HCl to become TABLE SALT. This practical method avoids the mess of producing HCl gas. HCl is a white gas that burns your eyes and nose really badly should you breathe it. It converts upon contact with water into HYDROCHLORIC ACID, so if you don't want HYDROCHLORIC ACID in your eyes, nose, lungs, don't breathe it! Small amounts of TABLE SALT and BAKING SODA in the cat will go unnoticed. The ideal method can be used if a source of compressed HCl GAS is found. It is sold in lab cylinders by chem supply houses and is not watched by the DEA. Just stick on a regulator, affix the rubber hose with a glass extension for submersion in the solvent, and open the valve to expel the gas through the solvent to produce PURE cat HCl. _____________________________________________________________________________ SUMMARY ~~~~~~~ Ephedrine is oxidized to produce methcathinone. The methcathinone is then converted to the free base for separation from the rest of the unwanted crap mixed with it. The free base dissolves in toluene and not in water whereas the unwanted crap dissolves in water and not in toluene. Since water and toluene separate into 2 layers the toluene layer containing the cat free base is saved and the water layer thrown out. The toluene could probably be evaporated leaving crystals of cat free base which could probably be smoked but I haven't heard of anyone smoking it nor have I heard of its effects on the human body. The cat free base is converted to cat salt using dilute hydrochloric acid or anhydrous HCL gas. Cat salt is soluble in water and not in toluene, just the opposite of the free base. Using HCL gas the salt produced has no water layer to dissolve in so it crystalizes out. Using dilute HCL the salt leaves the toluene layer as before but has a water layer (the water diluting the HCL) to dissolve in. This water layer is saved and the water evaporated, leaving methcathinone-HCL. _____________________________________________________________________________

Sources of items: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ EPHEDRINE pills- Sadly, GNC (General Nutrition Centers) corporate stores no longer carry "Revive" (ephedrine-HCL pills). The franchise stores are selling what they have left in stock and will no longer carry the straight ephedrine pills. They will only carry the crap with guaifenesin added. It looks like mail order will be the only possible source. Anybody ordering through the mail will probably have their name and address recorded and possibly sent to the DEA. TOLUENE- Available at most hardware stores. One brand is called "Toluol" from Parks. TOLUENE is also called METHYLBENZENE. LYE- Available at most hardware stores. Even Safeway has it. One brand is "Red Devil Lye" which is used to unclog grease clogs in drains. CONCENTRATED HCL and CONCENTRATED SULFURIC ACID are pretty cheap. When bought in 2-liter bottles (reagent grade) they're about $20 each. HCl, also called MURIATIC ACID, is available as a concrete cleaner in most lumber yards. Also used to adjust pH in swimming pools. H2SO4, aka Battery Electrolyte, obtainable in quart to 5-gallon size containers from automotive supply houses. This is a dilute acid which must be concentrated by pouring into large pyrex containers and boiling the water off for many minutes. It has reached the point of 98% concentration when the liquid stops boiling and starts fuming off with the release of white clouds of gas (SO3, SULFUR TRIOXIDE). Bottle while still hot as conc. H2SO4 is hygroscopic (it sucks water out of the air and becomes dilute again). DO NOT BREATHE SO3 GAS! It eats out your lungs, just as HCl GAS does. CHROMIUM TRIOXIDE (CHROMIC OXIDE) (CrO3)- Very common oxidizer. Comes in powder form. Less than $20 for 100 grams. Since it can be recycled, someone would never have to purchase large quantities of it. Enough to use as a reagent and a supply to supplement the losses incured during use would be enough. Glass tubing- About $2 per tube (1/4 inch) at chemistry supply outlets. Bent into different forms slowly and carefully while heating with blow torch. Glass tubing also used in salt water aquariums. Also for neon signs. Many sources for glass tubing from veterinary to dairy, from industrial to hobby. Easy to find if you know how to look. _____________________________________________________________________________ CREDITS ~~~~~~~ "Secrets of Methamphetamine Manufacture" by Uncle Fester was used as a reference. Information about it is in the beginning of this article. Technical assistance was provided by Steve J. Quest. _____________________________________________________________________________ ============================================================================= Message-ID: <124353Z31051995@anon.penet.fi> Newsgroups: alt.drugs From: an267556@anon.penet.fi Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 12:37:03 UTC Subject: CAT synth help I'm looking for some help with the cat synth posted on hyperreal. I followed the cat procedure on hyperreal and when I bubbled hcl through the mix the first time I got white paste that on further drying on a glass plate turned to a yellow orange oil. Still works great but not as pretty. I think it is the heat. The second and third attempt at bubbling hcl through the mix all I got was a milky naptha(I'm using naptha instead of acetone) Precipitating the cat has been more succesful for me but the mix never gets cloudy. I just continue washing out with naptha until I dry it.

Im no chemist but I follow direction well. However besides the above My yeild is way down. The first few times I used 1000 30mg pseudoephedrine HCL pills and only ended up with about 3.5 grams of cat. Yeild has gotten worse with each attempt. Anyone who has tried this care to critique my methods 1. 1000 pseudoephedrine HCL pills (30mg) disolved in 300ml water. Bring to a boil,and let settle. Filter off some of the water leaving paste behind. 2. Add more water and repeat step 1. Filter off top and add to already filtered material until the paste has no bitter taste to it.. I end up with about 800ml of water. I don't let the temp pass 50c so I don't really boil the mix. 2.Add 20 grams potassium dichromate. stirring constantly. This was hard to come by and unless I mail order it looks like I won't be able to get any more of this. Someone mentioned photo supply but several calls in the bostonarea left me wondering if it is used for photography at all. None of the people I talked to had it on thier list. 3.Slowly add concentrated sulfuric acid. One method calls for 3ml per gram pseudoephedrine HCL (90ml) another method says 42ml I have tried both. I add this slow enough to keep the mix temp below 50C. 4.leave this for several hours constantly stirring. It gets very hot from the reaction. 5.Put container in ice bath and while stirring slowly add lye until strongly basic (ph 11) stir this for 1 hour. 6.add naptha to the mixture in the sep funnel and shake until my arms hurt ~2 minutes. Let settle and syphon off naptha. repeat 4 times. 7.Put naptha in a sep funnel with 200 ml water and shake. Let settle and pour off water. 8. bubble hcl gas through the naptha and filter crystals. I make my own gas. 00g salt +30%hcl in a wide bottom flask. Slowly drip sulfuric acid into mix. If i use muriatic acid for this I get many bubbles in the mix that would eventually bubble into naptha/cat mix if not careful. reagent grade hcl (harder to get) doesn't do this? The first time I did the naptha clouded up and then crystals began to appear Quite beautiful to watch. I used my vacuum settup to separate crystals and then set crystals on glass plate to dry. They changed from white paste to yellow/amber in color and seemed to evaporate to less than half a gram. My second and third attempt was even less encouraging. All I got was milky colored naptha with no precipate. That was another reason I thought heat was destroying the cat but last night keeping the to 50c or below all I got was a cloudy mix and after several minutes of bubbling hcl gas through it

there was no precipitate. Very frustrating. Early attempts at this step I put the naptha/cat mix in a sep funnel, added 30%hcl and shook till my arms hurt. Pour off the water/hcl and evaporate under low heat.The instructions said to wait until it got milky, put in freezer for 15 minutes, then filter off crystals and wash with naptha. This was very difficult and time consuming. The mix never got milky and after eventualy evaporating all the liquid I ended up with a dark colored paste that would stay hard under heat but as soon as I removed it it became a sticky paste again. From what I have read, (I have noone to discuss this with) sulfuric acid will absorb the moisture in the air so I thought prehaps there was still hcl in the mix and it was absorbing moisture from the air. I'm only guessing. I would have thought the hcl would have evaporated with the water/naptha mix leaving only the cat. I have talked to two other people on the net but neither do more than ask questions or agree with my methods. I must be missing something as my yeild is so low and my results have been poor. Also the cat high is really great. I don't know how much I do. two small lines every so often until I start to buzz. When I do hit it though it is a nice buzz. The cat did not give me a rush. I felt powerful, strong, euphoric over the beauty of life. My mind could focus very well and seemed to be able to connect abstract thought into coherent patterns. I am learning the guitar in my spare time and under the influence of the cat I wrote several songs. Sitting playing my guitar a melody would just leap from my fingers and the words would pour out as if I were reading it from a script. Nothing profound but enjoyable emotional music pouring out of me faster than I could write it down... or was that the mushrooms Im growing... Too much and my heart hits the hyway at well over 100bpm. Not to pleasant. So the million dollar questions is what am I doing wrong?