Nationalism and Distance (Silke Werth and Suzy Cincone) Range of attitudes toward Japan among early explorers

, and current Japanese that leave Japan. Also develop new concepts of Japan as well. Many scholars have taken up concept (B. Anderson: longdistance nationalism + “imagined” part of imagined communities) Reasons for leaving japan: disillusionment, escape, curiosity. Changes in not necessarily originally positive feelings toward Japan. Concepts that are similar to nationalism but are not necessarily nationalism. Examples: Suzy: Methodology issues: can't actually talk to subjects. Questions: how can understand thoughts re: nation of people who left few or misleading records. Relationship of Japan and national goals: Some stated clearly that travel was for benefit of Japan and emperor. Also, importance (for nation) of young people encountering other cultures. Cause and effect relationship between nationalism and distance. Nationalistic feelings caused them to distance themselves. Other end of the spectrum: emigration out of necessity/for better living circumstances. Travel because had been rejected/ignored by Japan. Few records, especially regarding feelings about Japan, likely did not feel sense of belonging. No records of complete abandonment either though. Maeyama Takashi writing about Japanese in Brazil identity even became more important. Juxtaposition of Japanese and non-Japanese. Likely most fell in between the two poles. Combining the two extremes: procurer in SE Asia – left memoir of pep talk: although born in Japan, have lost national character, pitiful. In order to return have to break law again for good of country. Terms used: Kokumin kokka kokuminsei tennou. How can tell what people saw as their relationship with Japan? Autobiography as published, public work: attempt to win sympathy? Shopkeepers and using hinomaru: a declaration of nationalism or sales oriented. Nihonjinkai and purpose thereof. Silke: Work on young people overseas. Especially interested in those with no fixed position in Japanese society. In transition but without destination. ] Going abroad as form of resistance. Does experience help with integration/understanding of place in the nation? Transformation of resistance. Dangers of loaded vocabulary and how to address these issues. Stephen Vertovec, Aihwa Ong, Yuiko Fujita (nationalism increases with distance). Nationalism of migrants is seen as dangerous (Appadurai), extreme (often seen as dangerously loyal to country of origin and ambivalently loyal to nation of resistance). Issue of Japaneseness as more important: but what is it? Harumi Befu: feelings increase with distance. In research, Japaneseness felt inside, not displayed outside. Attitude toward flag/anthem as critical (response to ubiquity to US flag/anthem). Don't feel need to display flag/rituals: kokusuishugi. 2 points: nationalism vs. patriotism (language issue?); kokusuishugi vs. all the other shugi's (vs. English term). Getting to root of kokusuishugi via Kawanishi: cultural vs. political. Concerned with distinctiveness of national community. National identity as not fixed. Drifters in search of individuality/self might lead back to nation. Frequency + length of stay (Fujita Yuiko: only former kikoku shijo can develop transnational identity) Summing up: to what extent feeling of Japaneseness is a form of nationalism. Tensions in feelings of Japaneseness. Extendable to other migrants? What triggers young people to leave? What happens when they go back? What role do notions of race/ethnicity play in notions of Japaneseness? Discussion: Ewa Manek (EM): question re: religion and maintenance of national identity. (Religion as often cited as component of maintaining national identity but not in Japanese case. Silke's subjects?) Silke Werth (SW): question of religion came up. How americans are different from Japanese culture: sense of religiosity. We Japanese don't have a religion. Life-cycle religion, birth, marriage etc. However: extent of actual belief vs. response to what they've been asked many times. Emi Foulk (EF): Shinnyoen in White Plains: Japanese housewives who moved to New York with American husbands. Not religious before. But this is where Japanese people are. Became anchor

but doing so with students would be thought control. Reaction when legislated into official national flag/song: outcry against it. depending on who expressing to. Distinction between real and utilitarian isn't a good mode of analysis. just look at what you have which is people's acts: can best analysis scope/ways in which nationalism is part of people's lives. But if just stick to relationships and how they work within world and the influence of nationalism on those it's more satisfying. Bill Marotti (BM): Kokusuishugi has specificity in this context.may lose their job if don't – Tokyo has similar regulation. anne-elise lewallen (ael): Osaka-fu ordinance requires teachers to stand . SW: But teachers can regulate students ael: Teachers serving as model for students so need to be careful of behavior LR: Meiji state very similar in regulating teacher behavior. ael: Relatively recent law LR: Thought regarding Suzy's research. But not national distinction. SW: First instinctive translation was nationalism BM: Rhetoric of clarifying national polity: subspecies of nationalism KD: Mussolini's notion of state as center of fascism. But still curious about reality of feelings even though difficult to get at. If people feel that kokusuishugi is seishinteki could feel oppressed by it: religiously inclined tend to not look to Japanese religions . Japanese? Using patriotism and kokusuishugi to express these national differences. State intervening in everyday life of schoolteachers. feelings of unrootedness. but less strong. Push factor to get out of Japan (wanted to get out of Japan). Suzy Cincone (SC): Understand that are using this to advantage. etc. Kokusuishugi: other aspect: Tokunami Takejiro: kokusuikai: might be backdrop to kokusuishugi. Don't question person's real identity. Distance changes terms of the debate over what nationalism is. LR: Feelings even if you got them would be through expression to someone else which would be affected by the transmission as well. Culturally specific explanation. Got extra pay for every child. Lack of communication between researchers? Kevin Doak (KD): Hidden factor is in fact religious? Looking at early diplomats. Rethink distinction between real feeling vs. Podcast: state has ability to regulate teachers because civil servants. if something is being recorded. SW: Access to internet and nature of distance. Community built around Shinnyoen. Expression of relationship as opposed to actual feelings. No use for hinomaru/kimi ga yo since associated with fascist state. Japan has bad nationalism and America has good nationalism: direct response to WWII. If spend time defining the terms within their own context can arrive at picture of multiple nationalisms. Is that really real or not? Makes it impossible to analyze anything. Don't want state telling them what to do. Discredited in aftermath of WWII. Doak as pointing to 2nd level problem of relationship between various fascist groups discussing national polity. Dr. Kate McDonald (KM): Issue of whether nationalism can objectively increase with distance. but more easy to overlook information that don't want to know and create positive issue of Japan that would be . Matsumoto Ken'ichi as particularly disturbed by this. Connected to other things with nasty consequences. not internal feelings. EM: Scholarship on Japanese new religions abroad: expats do not spread. not just WWII but xenophobic and violent state. External display is problematic. Critique is not external either – lots of people critiqued within Japan afterwards. marketing. Kokusuishugi is naming a certain practice of patriotism: fascism. Japanese talk about violence of the state interfering with seishinteki and other issues. But shut down in 1942. Catholic with twelve kids couldn't support himself. People who described goals as furthering nationalist/emperor's goals. Nature of reason for leaving Japan? Not actually uprooted. Nationalism and patriotism: American vs. prime ministers: invoke kokusuishugi all the time.for Japanese identity. Luke Roberts (LR): Distinction between patriotism and kokusuishugi. Power of national identity is that it makes people perform in a certain way to their advantage. Information is very easy to get. Intrigued by guy who didn't like kokusuishugi: spiritual component.

Shakai mondai gave rise to portable form of nation. Narita Ryuichi Kokkyo to toshikukan. Also not seen negatively like other forms of resistance might be. KM: Worth unpacking that difference and the historical specificity of the conundrum that these people find themselves in and how this affects their ideas of how to be Japanese. Understanding utility within fullness of possible signification is really important. Leave and come back vs. Mostly displaced legitimate merchant network in many places. How people who moved to cities developed consciousness of native place – wondering if anything similar was happening w/ Suzy's places. ael: Interesting comparative question: mobility vs. KD: “Social problems” in Japan happening around the same time. but ways in which people are shifting around (particularly in 80s/90s) many are starving. Initially network was Chinese. DE: Temporal distance. Difference in physical distance logistically speaking and how that translates to mental distance. so red-light areas sprang up and then Japanese businesses sprang up around those. Danger of being social problem turned into a national problem. SW: Issue of frequency and duration (of travel) definitely connects to this. Some books posit that pan-Asianism and . is also important. Dylan Ellefson (DE): Suzy's subjects as having left with no intention of return? Can discern? SC : Difficult to discern. Could say that SC's people must have had a stronger urge to leave because of finiteness. BM: Thoughts re: Mark Driscoll's work. imagined space. Most do not seem to have planned on return. etc. DE: Clarification regarding nihonjinkai SC: All over SE Asia DE: Had kenjinkai – more locally based? SC: No evidence of it DE: People's identities/ties to place changing when moving somewhere. etc. But once communities became more official when there were more employees of banks. SW: Some do come with actual plans. Became business centers. Significance of free-floating people. Idea of minzoku was much more portable. Leaving Japan no longer involves sense of permanent leaving as it would have 200 years ago. SW: Combining with argument re: resistance. might have been more kenjinkai. Physical vs. Japanese goods – mostly through Chinese distributors and those were replaced. getting married and knowing they won't come back. Qualitative difference in infrastructure of destination. Kita Ikki + relationship b/w kokumin and tenno. Part of Driscoll's analysis is to look at labor flows. BM: Driscoll writes about prostitutes becoming centers of Japanese marketing. SC: Early residents were more marginal. Relationship between people and emperor. but SC's people are talking about kokumin. SW's people's urge can be less strong and have less clear plans because it is easier to come back. So it's a lot easier to make the decision.impossible to ignore if were in Japan. If the debate is going to be about binary of national devotion or rejection from nation. but also possibilities of mobility and how that influences way that imagine their own identities and how imagine their connection and distance from nation when they leave. His notion of Japan and a kind of pan-Asianism might have mobilized SC's people. how does that effect coding of Japanese nation and interactions? SC: Not seen any evidence of Japanese procurer displacing Chinese. Some didn't have return ticket so no constraints other than visa. DE: Period that SC is looking at was a time in which there was less institutional support for Japanese abroad. Not just media/communication but also speed of travel. Getting at point from first day about not letting nationalism take over everything and looking at pan-Asianism instead. Finiteness in SC's case that is not the case for SW. Huge influence on identity and forming life abroad because know that if things don't work out can go back. SC: First Japanese in these areas were prostitutes. In particular: many Ainu/Taiwanese who went to world's fairs often felt that when left home would not return (like a death wish). Question regarding network of procurers. circulation.

In interviews: v. KD: If there is language. because Europe has completely different conception of race.nationalism connected. Difference between those with better grasp of language and those with worse in terms of the way they related to ethnic Japanese identity. Wants to look at small towns in US and ideally Italy and Germany because these are all completely different and haven't been looked at before. Ethnicity tends to come up more in US. But doesn't mean that have to buy into it. BM: Wanted to know if taking it into consideration. BM: Do have to think about it in historical context and how it's used and what it means. Interesting since these are people in 20s but still have this feeling. So definitely affects perceptions of self. have a bunch of tourist businesses that could be potential places of employment. They are much more able to bring what learned back (to Japan) more than others. especially in smaller towns will stick out. BM: Separate out small towns that are attached to universities? Or to Japanese business concerns? For examples communities with Mazda plants: suddenly bunch of Japanese/Japanese Americans walking around. Question of race especially comes in here. SW: Young people tend to choose uni towns because want to meet other young people. LR: Role of race/ethnicity in all this. Reasons for choosing SB: ocean. Italy: university town but maybe a smaller university or combining university with somewhere with tourist prospects. small town (wanted to avoid falling into pre-existing Japanese diasporic communities – but often choose a place that is still close enough to reach the community if decide they want to). Interesting notion . so still thinking about how to look at that. EF: Stand out more if you're in Europe due to race issue? SW: Yes. Fired up a lot of Japanese to go to Asia and follow the pan-Asian dream. Realized that Chinese have similar concepts of filial piety/respect of elderly. but there is no way of being sure KD: Uchida Ryohei. Needed new space to allow for creation of own nationalism. etc. NY. So goal in coming to US is to help Japan succeed in world. Research on Japanese migrants to date has been on large towns: LA. Against Western nationalism as modeled by Prussian state. walk down State Street to see if get treated differently. BM: Classic travelogue – earlier Japanese travelers and writings they left while going around US: Jeffery Engel's article. KM: Pan-Asian dream? KD: Urge to implement nationalism that could no longer implement within Japan due to rigidity of imperial system. Still thinking about it. SW: Can divide into 2 basic groups: 1 does not really seek interaction with people abroad and tries to stick together with people from Japan or even the rest of Asia and many of those brought up the fact that after coming to US understood that Japan is a part of Asia. In Europe. SW: Major differences between those in big towns and those in small towns. Take conceptual step and think is this performing in the way that these people are claiming it is performing. can blend in more/better in US. reality then must be explained/papered over. This greater interaction is in fact responsible for stronger classically nationalistic feelings. Germany: Heidelberg. Other group tries to engage foreigners. EF: Only looking at people in SB? Different reasons in different places. SW: More to do research of expatriotism. Language as key marker. Explicitly engaged in comparative dialogue/framework. 1 person: whole reason for going abroad is because Japanese need to improve English and be more open in order to succeed. minzoku nationalism and rejection of western nationalism. Had imagined Japan as more westernized than rest of Asia. levels of English. Did people go to asia thinking that had leadership role to play? What is best way to think about this? SC: People who went to Asia who had connections to Toyama/Utsuru who might have been connected to that way of thinking. BM: Important to think about how people are articulating nationalism. SF.

Had argument that going abroad does not create transnational identity but initially fosters national identity. support imperial navy.of perfect assimilatability. KD: Example of writer surrounded by other writers who were Catholic and pressuring him to be Catholic as well because that is way to be transnational. Response: 3 ways for Japanese to be transnational: 1. LR: Identities created in conversation in your context. SW: Relates to identification as Asian as well. But she says that once you do it once will be more likely to do it again and thereby form transnational identity.). Process of identity formation: when go back realize that time has changed them as well despite stronger feelings for Japan. etc. 2. Many ways to be transnational. Range of recognizable identities is much broader. etc. but go abroad and people no longer recognize regional identity. . SW: Works with cultural migrants. BM: People performing exaggerated Japaneseness in 1890s based on grasp of English. Wondering about Fujita comment re: going abroad to be transnational. BM: People who have never left Japan but nevertheless had transnational identity: example of anarchist against the policies of government. Survey showing that attachment to home increases when gone (attachment to parents. be Catholic. But! 3 respondents who definitely did not identify themselves as Japanese but as Okinawan. be Marxist 3. SW: Trying to get away from Appadurai's spacialized notions. against imperialism. especially those that went to become artists/succeed as artists. Only had 12 respondents. Because it is a dialogue and the way that people can relate to is reduced to Japanese also shapes identity. Example: way in which nationalism functions out of a sense of loss. Hayashi Masao identifying with novelists around the world (cosmopolitanism). Non-spacial forms of identity even group identity but ones that aren't structured around nationalisms. When someone is in Japan have freedom to say that are from Tohoku. so when leave again can avoid the strengthening of feelings towards Japan this time.

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