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Username: * By MarkusB @ March 17, 2010 Measures ionizing radiation Time to build: 1 hour Cost to build: $150

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The circuit diagram above shows a simple Geiger counter. I designed it actually for a robot which will seek for the highest radiation exposure in a room, but many other applications are possible (for example Hardware random number generator). Beside the GM tube only standard components are used. The PCB mount transformer T1 is a 230V/6V version, operated in the opposite way as usual. The HV can be adjusted with the potentiometer R5 between approx. 300 and 1000V, therefore the circuit covers many different GM tube types. Check out the data sheet of the GM tube for the operating voltage and adjust the voltage before connecting the GM tube! Measuring point is between the cathode of diode D5 and 0V. Take care that your multimeter has a measurement range of min. 1000 V DC! Please also note, that the protective resistor R10 must be as near as possible on the anode of the GM tube. The capacitors C4 to C8 must be suitable for 630V AC. Keep also the creepage distances in mind. Commonly available radioactive sources for experiments, tests and calibration can be found here.

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No need for Geiger tubes - there are also other radiation sensors.

Well, at least in theory. A solar cell or photodiode actually is a radiation sensor although for different wavelength. However, there are rumors that you can detect gamma radiation using such a device. I even remember a DIY article in a German electronics magazine (Funlschau) in the seventies or eighties. They poroposed to use several stacked solar cells with a voltage in blocking polarity. As soon as an energized photon hits them they will genreate an current implulse. When looking for solid states radiation detectors several months ago I found descriptions of a few PIN-diodes made exactly for this. However, no supplier, not even complete datasheets. There must be small solid state sensors. I don't believe that Geiger tubes are used in medical X-ray devices. Geiger tubes are nice, but expensive and not very stable or vibration-proof. By MarkusB @ Tue, 2010-03-23 07:43

There are many ways to

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There are many ways to detect radiation. Depends one the application, which parts you want to use, your experience etc. One of my ideas was to put a cloud chamber with a camera on the robot. Through image recognition you can even determinate the corpuscle angle of entry. Just be creative and build some working hardware :) Btw, here is a simple -photon radiation detector, using a PIN photo diode: http://www.maxim-ic.com/app-notes/index.mvp/id/2236 By ferespo @ Sun, 2010-03-21 13:26

Thanks!
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Thank you all!!

Fernando By rik @ Sat, 2010-03-20 14:19

made
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http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2010/03/diy_geiger_counter.html By BroHogan @ Sat, 2010-03-20 02:07

Geiger Tubes
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Fernando, Joined to tell you that the CL-3BG tubes are disappointing - not vary sensitive. Background count is 1-2 / min. I also just completed a Geiger project and put links to tubes on my blog - http://brohogan.blogspot.com/ I'd suggest the SSBM-20 - background count ~ 35 / min. By MarkusB @ Sat, 2010-03-20 01:55

Should be both ok
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Hi Fernando,

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Should be both ok. Really cheap. I hope the tubes are not damaged. By ferespo @ Fri, 2010-03-19 16:06

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Where to get the tubes

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Hi,

I've just registered. Excellent site. Will be around. I'm going to make this detector! Just a question or two. Where to get the GM tube? At e-bay they are selling relly cheap russian ones from 10 to 30 $ a piece. What do you think ? http://cgi.ebay.com/Russian-GEIGER-TUBES-COUNTER-CI-3BG-NEW-BESTCHOICE_W0QQitemZ180482132127QQcmdZViewItemQQptZBI_Security_Fire_Protection?hash=item2a0592c89f http://cgi.ebay.com/Russian-Geiger-TUBE-Counter-CI-28BG-SI-28BG-NEW-LOT1_W0QQitemZ390130187204QQcmdZViewItemQQptZBI_Security_Fire_Protection?hash=item5ad5923bc4

Thank you very much.

Fernando

By virtuPIC @ Thu, 2010-03-18 10:52

Sorry, I am a posting
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Sorry, I am a posting newbie. Haven't tried the browser / upload button yet. Her we go...

By TeleFox @ Thu, 2010-03-18 11:11

It's probably because it's

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It's probably because it's in .png format, I can see both diagrams fine. Apparently some browsers don't support .png - .jpg or .gif are the best options for size and compatibility. By virtuPIC @ Wed, 2010-03-17 23:29

...and you can make it even

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...and you can make it even simpler! You can base the HV circtuit on two transitor: Look on the net for Joule thief schematics. I posted one schematic on instructables.com, but it had a current regulation while we need a voltage regulator for the GM-tube. Then it looks like this (yeah, I know, could look nicer):

I don't know the part dimensions by heart. There have been recommendation in some article on instructables.com. Anyway, how does it work? T1 together with C2, R1, L1, D1 and C3 forms a flyback converter. R2 and R3 have to be configured that T2 switches on as soon as target voltage is reached which blocks the converter.Oh, if you use transistors with low saturation voltage you can even run it with one or two AA-cells. You can also replace the ouput cicuit with one or two transistors... And if you have a PIC programmer there is also another option. A PIC12F204 is sufficient. Write a small program to generate pulses for the voltage converter. Use one transistor as coil driver. And connect the comparator input to the high voltage through a voltage divider. Now connect the GPIO input only pin (the MCLR pin configured to GPIO) to the other end of the GM-tube. as to the NE 555 on the right in the originla version. And write some program to simulate this circuit with the last remaining GPIO pin as output. Oops, I'll have to stop now. I'm a big fan of simplifyign circuits. Usually I'm exaggerating. 1 2 next last

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