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Interpretations and Misinterpretations of
Quantum Theory
John Stachel
It Ain't Necessarily So
by George Gershwin
It ain't necessarily so
It ain't necessarily so
The t'ings dat yo' li'ble
To read in de Bible,
It ain't necessarily so.
My Apologies in
Advance
Time limits require brevity and
brevity is the mother of
dogmatism.
None of my statements should
be interpreted dogmatically
they are all meant to stimulate
critical thinking and further
discussion.
For a copy of my PowerPoint
Examples of
Misinterpretations from
Two Widely Praised
2013 Books
1)What is the
Copenhagen
interpretation?
2)Are Duality and
Complementarity the
same?
Princeton University
Press, 2013
Heisenbergs
Copenhagen
Interpretation
Examples of
Misinterpretations from
Two Widely Praised
2013 Books
1)What is the
Copenhagen
interpretation?
2)Are Duality and
Complementarity the
same?
Pegasus Books,
2013
Farewell to
Reality
Danish physicist
Niels Bohr and
German Werner Heisenberg
argued that particles and waves
are merely the shadowy
projections of an unfathomable
reality into our empirical world
of measurement and perception.
. This approach to quantum
theory became known as the
Copenhagen interpretation.At
the heart of this interpretation
DUALITY
CLASSICAL (h=0)
Radiation
Matter
Waves
Particles
MATHEMATICAL
REPRESENTATION
Characteristics
Trajectories
(wave fronts)
characteristic strips)
DUALS
Bicharacteristics
(world lines,
Ensemble of
COMPLEMENTARITY
SPACE-TIME DESCRIPTION
CONSERVATION OF
(x,t)
ENERGY- MOMENTUM
(E, p)
CLASSICAL (h=0)
Both can be defined and measured for an
individual system
Either can be chosen to define a complete
ensemble
QUANTUM MECHANICAL
(h>0)
Outline of the
Talk:
1) Some
background
information
on my
Traditional
View
A theory is a
conceptual framework
providing predictions .
The results of
experiments or
observations decide
whether the theory is
Gaston Bachelard
(1884-1962)
Dont separate
meaning and
measurement:
Incorporate the
conditions of
applicability of a
concept into the
Outline of the
Talk:
2)
Measurability
Analysis
Measurability
Analysis
Measurability analysis
identifies those concepts that
a theory defines as meaningful
within some context and
investigates to what extent
the values associated with
these concepts are ideally
measurable in the defining
context (e.g. concepts of
hardness and viscosity in the
Peter G. Bergmann
Collaborator of
Einstein
Pioneer in study
of quantization
of generally
covariant
theories,
including GR
Warning!
This is not
operationalism Its
not real because its
measurable, it must
be measurable
because its real!
Simple Classical
Example
Hardness and
Viscosity can be
applied to any
substance, but not
simultaneously. If it is
in solid state,
hardness applies; if it
Outline of the
Talk:
3)What
quantization
is and is not
What IS
Quantization?
Quantization is just a way
accounting for the effects of h,
the quantum of action, on any
process involving some
system,
or rather on theoretical models
of such a system-fundamental or
composite, in which the
Some Non-fundamental
Quanta
1) quasi-particles: particle-like
entities arising in certain
systems of interacting
particles, such as phonons and
rotons in hydrodynamics
(Landau 1941)
2) phenomenological photons:
quantized electromagnetic
waves in a homogeneous,
isotropic dielectric (Ginzburg
Two Kinds of
There are
relations, in which
Relations
the things are primary and
their relation is secondary:
relations between things
There are relations, in which
the relation is primary
while the things are
secondary: things
between relations
Particles, Field
The particlesQuanta
of non-relativistic QM
Successful
Quantization
Successful
quantization of
some classical formalism does
not mean that one has
achieved a deeper
understanding of reality or
better, an understanding of a
deeper level of reality. It
means that one has
successfully understood the
effects of the quantum of
In my Fathers house
are many mansions-Having passed
beyond the
John 14:2
set of space-time
structures does not negate,
and need not replace,
attempts to quantize
another set of space-time
structures. Everything
depends on the utility of
A Well-defined
Phenomenon
Any measurement in quantum
theory can in fact only refer
either to a fixation of the initial
state or to the test of such
predictions, and it is first the
combination of measurements of
both kinds which constitutes a
well-defined phenomenon.
Definability and
Measurability
One must always establish a
qualitative and quantitative
consonance between the
concept of an entity, for which
physical significance is
claimed, and an ideal
measurement procedure for
that entity.
If it is a quantum concept, h
(the quantum of action) must
Science: Confusion in
Warsaw
Time Magazine
June 1938 to
No remarkable
new,13
contributions
physical theory came out of Warsaw,
Poland last week, and none was
expected. Nevertheless, an
International Conference on New
Theories in Physics, sponsored by the
League of Nations International
Institute of Intellectual Cooperation,
was in session there, attended by
some 30 giants of theoretical physics.
On hand were Denmark's Niels Bohr
Science: Confusion in
The physicists'Warsaw
talk was lively and brilliant.
But they spent most of their time trying to
find some way to mend the painful gap
between Relativity and Quantum Mechanics,
bickering politely about the validity and
application of physical theories, asking
themselves what physical reality is after all.
Bohr criticized de Broglie and almost
everyone present criticized Sir Arthur
Eddington. Altogether they gave the
impression of giants wallowing in a
quagmire.
Paul Langevin
1872-1946
Bohr on Langevin 1)
[I]n order to avoid any
misunderstanding concerning
the significance of the word
indeterminism, recall that
in quantum effects we were not
dealing with behaviour
independent of the objects, but
that the observable phenomena
essentially depend upon the
interaction of these objects with
the measuring instruments
Bohr on Langevin 1)
That is the reason why we find
ourselves faced by quite a new
situation in physics in which the
traditional conceptions of
determinism or indeterminism
are not univocally applicable. It
is really wonderful that in spite
of this we can, with the help of
mathematical abstractions, put
so much order into a domain so
vast and so rich with
Langevins Response to
Bohr 1)
. He thought that the use
of the word corpuscle
[particle], weighed down by
old associations was
sometimes a source of
confusion and difficulty.
[T]here is a kind of
intermediate picture that
would suit the corpuscle better
than that of an individual
object taken over from
Bohr on Langevin 2)
Professor Bohr wished, with
regard to the use of the
corpuscle idea, to draw
attention to the danger there
would be in confusing the
problem of the individuality of
the photon, which is entirely
quantic, with the corpuscular
properties of the electron, which
can be related to an entirely
Bohr on Langevin 2)
It is true that the duality
between the undulatory and
corpuscular conceptions exists
for matter as well as for light,
but this is only one aspect of a
symbolical formalism and its
interpretation must be found in
the classical conceptions. Just as
the mass and charge of the
electron can only be defined
classically, the description of
Bohr on Langevin 2)
The concepts of the photon and
the material wave are on the
contrary purely abstract
methods of considering the
general nature of
complementarity that exists, by
reason of the individuality of the
quantum of action, between the
spatio-temporal representation
and the principle of
conservation of momentum and
Bohr on Langevin 2)
In fact we might say that from
this point of view the difference
between matter and light is as
fundamental in quantum theory
as in the classical one.
DUALITY
CLASSICAL (h=0)
Radiation
Matter
Waves
Particles
MATHEMATICAL
REPRESENTATION
Characteristics
Trajectories
(wave fronts)
characteristic strips)
DUALS
Bicharacteristics
(world lines,
Ensemble of
COMPLEMENTARITY
SPACE-TIME DESCRIPTION
CONSERVATION OF
(x,t)
ENERGY- MOMENTUM (E, p)
Going Beyond
Bohr
UNDERLYING SPACE-TIME
STRUCTURES
Metric tensor
Affine
connection
compatibility conditions
ROLE OF MASS
Photons: Their
Emission and Detection
Under what conditions will
an (ideal) device be able to
register?
the emission of a photon
(must be non-destructive);
the detection of a photon
(may be destructive)
Photons: Their
Emission and Detection
The device used must contain
a system with a series of
discrete energy and/or
momentum levels, the
differences between which are
proportional to h so that it can
emit or absorb photons of
energy h and momentum h/,
linked to a system sufficiently
complex that it is able to
Outline of the
Talk
4) Processes
are Primary,
States are
Secondary
Lee Smolin
Primacy of Process
Phrases such as "at any
moment of time", "at any
given time are appropriate
in Newtonian-Galileian
physics, which is based on a
global absolute time. But
from SR on to GR, this phrase
involves a convention
defining a global time.
Primacy of Process
The only conventioninvariant things are
processes, each involving a
space-time region. This
suggests-- as do many other
considerations-- that the
fundamental entities in
quantum theory are the
transition amplitudes, and
Primacy of Process
And this is true of our
measurements as well: any
measurement involves a finite
time interval and a finite 3dimensional spatial region.
Sometimes, we can get away
with neglecting this, and talking,
for example in NR QM, about
instantaneous measurements.
Primacy of Process
But sometimes we most
definitely cannot, as Bohr and
Rosenfeld demonstrated for
QFT, where the basic quantities
defined by the theory are spacetime averages. Their critique of
Landau and Peierls shows what
happens if you forget this!
Indeterminacy in Measurements by
Charged Particles, Jens Lindhard
Indeterminacy in Measurements
by Charged Particles
In 1931, Landau and Peierls raised
doubts about the consistency of the
quantum theory of electromagnetic
fields, doubts which, if true, were
expected to deprive the theory of
any physical basis. They maintained
that, due to quantal uncertainty
relations, it was not possible to
measure electromagnetic radiation
fields by means of charged particles.
Indeterminacy in Measurements
by Charged Particles
Soon after, Bohr and Rosenfeld
criticized this derivation and went on
to show that electromagnetic fields
could indeed be measured if the
point-like particles of Landau and
Peierls were replaced by spatially
extended charge distributions [and
the measurement extended over a
finite time interval- JS].
Zur Frage der Messbarkeit der elektromagnetischen Feldgrssen, Bohr & Rosenfeld 1933
Niels Bohr
Leon Rosenfeld
On the Measurability of
Electromagnetic Field
Magnitudes (Bohr-Rosenfeld
In their analysis of the co1933)
measurability of electric and
magnetic field components,
rather than Landau-Peierls
test point particles, to get
finite results they had to use
averages over test bodies
occupying finite space-time
regions, paralleling their
similar averaging of the
To Sum It Up:
A quantum process
involves three stages:
preparation,
interaction,
registration.
Big question: How does
h figure in the
Outline of the
Talk
5)
Commutation
Relations in
Quan-tum
Commutation
Relations
One central method of taking
into account the quantum of
action is by means of
introducing commutation
relations between various
particle (non-rel QM) or field
(SR QFT) quantities
(observables) into the
formalism.
But these commutation
Some Measurement
Problems in Quantum
Gravity JS
Outline of the
Talk
6)
Commutation
Relations in
Quan-tum
Olivier Darrigol
New Heisenberg
Relations?
Heisenberg had been the first to
consider the problem of field
measurements in his Chicago
lectures of spring 1929. [I]n his
analysis of the x-ray microscope, he
tended to privilege the corpuscular
and discontinuous viewpoint above
that of the wave viewpoint. Bohr
had succeeded, not without
difficulty, in convincing him that
the evaluation of the limits of the
corpus-cular viewpoint necessarily
involved calling upon the wave
New Heisenberg
Relations?
But then it became important
for Heisen-berg to show that,
reciprocally, the domain of
applicability of the electromagnetic field concept must be
limited by the existence of
corpuscular aspects. He
provided new uncertainty
relations
ExHy hc/(l)
for the averages of the electric
New Heisenberg
Relations?
New Heisenberg
Relations?
Why Hamiltonians
and Equal-Time
Commutation
Relations?
Tradition!!
A Legacy, by Pierre
Cartier
Bryce DeWitt constructs the operator
formalism of quantum physics from the
Peierls bracket which leads to the
Schwinger variational principle and to
functional integral representations.
The bracket invented by Peierls in 1952
is a beautiful, but often neglected,
covariant replacement for the canonical
Poisson bracket, or its generalizations,
used in canonical quantization.
The Problem of
Quantum Gravity
We need a theory that
can somehow
encompass the
achievements of both
Quantum Field Theory
(background-dependent)
& General relativity
(background-
Thank You !