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WHAT IS PHASE ANGLE

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USES OF PHASE ANGLE MEASUREMENT


1.

BALANCING

2.

STRUCTURE MOTION STUDY

3.

DETECTION OF RESONANCE FREQUENCY

RUN UP & RUN DOWN BEHAVIOUR

BODE PLOT

4.

HEALHINESS OF MATING SURFACES OF TWO VIBRATING MASSESS

5.

UNDERSTANDING THE DEFLECTION MODE OF THE SHAFT

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STRUCTURE MOTION STUDY


REAR 245

228

220 FRONT

230

165

FRONT

212
2

170

245 REAR

220

209

127

138

107

101

87

71

3
112

120

96

94

4/5
6
7

LEFT SIDE
53
19

63

10

11

16
12

11

7
16

12

-14

17

17

18

13

13

19

24
15

-23
23

10

15

-9
22

51

56

14

11
21

14
33

20

RIGHT SIDE

20

21

22

-25
18

23

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STRUCTURE MOTION STUDY

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HEALHINESS OF MATING SURFACES OF TWO VIBRATING MASSESS

3
2
1
9

8
7

5
4

GENERATOR SIDE

LEFT
21 C
20

14

15

13

BASE PLATE

B
A

11 12

RIGHT

10

18
17

19
16

SECONDARY GROUT

TURBINE SIDE

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UNDERSTANDING THE DEFLECTION MODE OF THE SHAFT

B1

B2

B3

B4

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Case Studies
on
Vibration Problems in Steam
Turbine Generators

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HIGH VIBRATION IN
500 MW TG SETS

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HIGH VIBRATION IN 500 MW TG SETS


PROBLEM
HIGH HP FRONT SHAFT AND BEARING PEDESTAL VIBRATION
OBSERVATIONS
(A) FREQUENCY ANALYSIS CARRIED OUT WHICH INDICATED
PREDOMINANT 1-X VIBRATION COMPONENTS FOR BOTH SHAFT AND
BEARING PEDESTAL VIBRATION
STEADY PHASE ANGLE
(B) BEARING PEDESTAL VIBRATIONS AND SHAFT VIBRATIONS WERE
HAVING RISING TENDENCY AT RATED SPEED HOWEVER, THEIR RATIO
WAS FOUND TO BE ALMOST CONSTANT

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HIGH VIBRATION IN 500 MW TG SETS


ANALYSIS
PREDOMINANT 1-X VIBRATION WITH SLIGHT CHANGE IN PHASE
ANGLE INDICATED THERE WAS UNBALANCE IN THE ROTOR SYSTEM
LEADING TO INITIATION OF MINOR RUB
MAIN SOURCE OF VIBRATION WAS HIGHER DYNAMIC LOADING FROM
THE SHAFT WHICH WAS GETTING TRANSMITTED TO BEARING
ACTION TAKEN
TO REDUCE THE HP FRONT SHAFT VIBRATION LEVEL, INSITU
BALANCING WAS CARRIED OUT USING LP ROTOR BALANCING PLANES

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HIGH VIBRATION IN 500 MW TG SETS


RESULT OF INSITU BALANCING
HP SHAFT VIBRATION BROUGHT DOWN TO STEADY VALUE OF 120
MICRONS, 0-PK FROM EARLIER VALUE OF 150 - 200 MICRONS, 0-PK
HP FRONT BEARING VIBRATION CAME DOWN INITIALLY TO 15
MICRONS, 0-PK AT 3000 RPM FROM EARLIER VALUE OF 25 40
MICRONS, 0-PK
LATER, WITHIN 2-3 HOURS OF OPERATION, HP FRONT BEARING
VIBRATION INCREASED BEYOND ALARM VALUE (35 MICRONS, 0-PK).
DURING THIS PERIOD, NO INCREASE IN SHAFT VIBRATION WAS
OBSERVED

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INTREPRETATION OF RESULTS AFTER INSITU BALANCING
AS HP FRONT BEARING PEDESTAL VIBRATION INCREASED, EVEN
WHEN HP FRONT SHAFT VIBRATION WAS CONSTANT, INDICATED THAT
THE CAUSE OF HIGH BEARING PEDESTAL VIBRATION WAS SOME
FACTORS APART FROM UNBALANCE OF THE SHAFT
ANALYSIS DONE
BASED UPON THE VIBRATION BEHAVIOUR OF BEARING PEDESTAL AND
SHAFT VIBRATION, IT WAS DECIDED TO SCAN FRONT BEARING
PEDESTAL BY PORTABLE VIBRATION ANALYSER

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RESULTS OF SCANNING OF FRONT PEDESTAL
VIBRATION ON LEFT AND RIGHT HAND SIDE OF FRONT BEARING
PEDESTAL (NEAR HP CASING FRONT PALMS) IN THE VERTICAL
DIRECTION WERE HAVING LARGE VARIATION
(LHS VIBRATION IS ABOUT 5 TIMES MORE THAN RHS VIBRATION)
HP CASING PALM VIBRATION AMPLITUDE IN VERTICAL DIRECTION ON
LEFT AND RIGHT PALM WAS FOUND TO BE OF LOWER MAGNITUDE
AND SAME
SCANNING INDICATED THAT THERE WAS NO PROBLEM WITH BASE
PLATE, SECONDARY GROUT & FOUNDATION MATING SURFACES

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HP CASING PAM
(RIGHT HAND
SIDE)
HP FRONT BEARING PEDESTAL

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HIGH VIBRATION IN 500 MW TG SETS


ANALYSIS
SCANNING DATA INDICATED THAT LOAD DISTRIBUTION BETWEEN
PALMS OF HP CASING WAS NOT PROPER
THERE WAS GAP BETWEEN CASING PALM AND PEDESTAL ON LEFT
HAND SIDE
ACTION TAKEN
0.15 MM SHIM WAS ADDED BELOW LEFT HAND SIDE PALM WHEREAS
0.1 MM SHIM WAS REMOVED FROM RIGHT HAND SIDE PALM FOR
IMPROVING THE LOADING PATTERN OF HP CASING ON PEDESTAL

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RESULT OF CORRECTION IN SHIMS

VIBRATIONS ON BEARING PEDESTAL REDUCED FROM 35 MICRONS, 0PK TO 15 MICRONS, 0-PK AND NO INCREASING TENDENCY WAS
OBSERVED
HP FRONT SHAFT VIBRATION WAS FOUND TO BE REDUCED FROM 120
MICRONS, 0-PK TO 90 MICRONS, 0-PK AND BEARING VIBRATION
SETTLED DOWN TO 10 MICRONS, 0-PK AT FULL LOAD
RATIO OF LEFT AND RIGHT HAND SIDE VIBRATION ON FRONT
PEDESTAL IN VERTICAL DIRECTION CAME DOWN TO 2:1 FROM
EARLIER VALUE OF 5:1

HENCE, UNBALANCE OF ROTOR SYSTEM & UNLOADING OF


LEFT SIDE PALM WAS FOUND TO BE THE ROOT CAUSE OF THE
HIGH HP FRONT SHAFT AND BEARING PEDESTAL VIBRATION
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CONCLUSION
VIBRATION
IMPORTANT

SCANNING
TOOL

FOR

IS

VERY

DIAGNOSTICS

PURPOSES
VIBRATION SCANNING SHOULD BE USED AS
FREQUENTLY AS POSSIBLE
IT HELPS IN RULING OUT OR PIN POINTING
CERTAIN DEFECTS
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HIGH VIBRATION IN
210 MW TG SETS

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HIGH VIBRATION IN 210 MW TG SETS


BACKGROUND
MACHINE IS OF KWU DESIGN STEAM TURBINE COUPLED WITH LMW
GENERATOR (LP REAR BEARING AND GENERATOR FRONT BEARING IS
LOCATED IN COMMON PEDESTAL)
VIBRATION BEHAVIOUR WAS FOUND TO BE NORMAL DURING FIRST
COMMISSIONING ON ALL BEARINGS AND LATER ON VIBRATION ON
BEARING NO. 4 / 5 PEDESTAL DETERIORATED GRADUALLY BEYOND
ALARM LEVELS (35 MICRONS, 0-PK)

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HIGH VIBRATION IN 210 MW TG SETS


PROBLEM
HIGH LP REAR BEARING VIBRATION
HIGH GENERATOR FRONT BEARING VIBRATION
OBSERVATIONS
FREQUENCY ANALYSIS CARRIED OUT WHICH INDICATED
PREDOMINANT 1-X VIBRATION COMPONENT FOR BOTH LP REAR AND
GENERATOR FRONT VERTICAL AND AXIAL VIBRATION
VERTICAL VIBRATION AT LP REAR AND GENERATOR FRONT BEARING
WAS OF THE ORDER OF 100 MICRONS, PK-PK
AXIAL VIBRATION WAS ABOUT 200 MICRONS, PK-PK FOR BOTH LP
REAR BEARING AND GENERATOR FRONT BEARING

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HIGH VIBRATION IN 210 MW TG SETS


ANALYSIS
BASED ON VIBRATION SYMPTOMS, FOLLOWING CHECKS WERE
SUGGESTED IN PLANNED OVERHAUL
LP / GENERATOR ALIGNMENT
BEARING ASSEMBLY CHECKS
RESULT OF ABOVE WORKS
AFTER CARRYING OUT THE ABOVE MENTIONED CHECKS &
CORRECTIONS DURING PLANNED OVERHAUL, VIBRATION LEVEL DID
NOT IMPROVE

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HIGH VIBRATION IN 210 MW TG SETS


ACTION TAKEN
FOLLOWING WORKS WERE CARRIED OUT
VIBRATION ANALYSIS
SCANNING OF LP REAR BEARING PEDESTAL AND ITS SECONDARY
GROUT AND BASE PLATE AREA
OBSERVATIONS / ANALYSIS
FREQUENCY BEHAVIOUR OF BEARING VIBRATION FOUND SIMILAR TO
EARLIER OBSERVATION
WIDE DIFFERENCE IN PHASE ANGLE IN VERTICAL DIRECTION ACROSS
BASE PLATE OF LP REAR PEDESTAL AND SECONDARY GROUTING
WHICH INDICATED THAT VERTICAL LOAD TRANSFER FROM BEARING
TO FOUNDATION IS NOT AS EXPECTED

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SCANNING OF PEDESTAL
3
2
1
9

8
7

5
4

GENERATOR SIDE

LEFT
21 C
20

14

15

13

BASE PLATE

B
A

11 12

RIGHT

10

18
17

19
16

SECONDARY GROUT

TURBINE SIDE

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HIGH VIBRATION IN 210 MW TG SETS


ACTION PLAN SUGGESTED
REGROUTING OF LP REAR PEDESTAL
REPLACEMENT OF FOUNDATION BOLTS OF LP REAR PEDESTAL AND
PROPER MATCHING OF ANCHOR PLATES
IN-SITU BALANCING OF GENERATOR ROTOR TO REDUCE EXCITATION
FORCES TO MINIMUM
DUE TO TIME CONSTRAINT AND POWER REQUIREMENT,
FOLLOWING WORKS CARRIED OUT
EPOXY GROUTING (PRESSURE GROUTING) OF LP REAR PEDESTAL
RESTRETCHING OF FOUNDATION BOLTS OF LP REAR PEDESTAL
LP / GENERATOR REALIGNMENT
BEARING INSPECTION

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HIGH VIBRATION IN 210 MW TG SETS


RESULT OF ABOVE WORKS
AFTER CARRING OUT THE ABOVE MENTIONED CHECKS DURING NEXT
OVERHAUL
VIBRATION LEVEL FOUND REDUCED TO 25 MICRONS, 0-PK ON
BEARING NO. 4 / 5 PEDESTAL
PHASE DIFFERENCE WAS FOUND TO BE MINIMUM BETWEEN BEARING
PEDESTAL BASE PLATE AND SECONDARY GROUTING
BUT AFTER FEW DAYS OF OPERATION,
VIBRATION LEVEL STARTED INCREASING GRADUALLY AND TOUCHED
ALARM VALUE OF 35 MICRONS, 0-PK
PHASE ANGLE DIFFERENCE WAS ALSO FOUND TO BE INCREASING
BETWEEN BASE PLATE AND SECONDARY GROUTING

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HIGH VIBRATION IN 210 MW TG SETS


ANALYSIS
EPOXY GROUTING WAS INSUFFICIENT TO CURE THE VIBRATION
PROBLEM ON PERMANENT BASIS
AT THIS POINT OF TIME, CIVIL EXPERT ALSO CONDUCTED STUDIES ON
FOUNDATION

WHICH

CONFIRMED

THE

BAD

CONDITION

SECONDARY GROUT

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ACTION PLAN SUGGESTED:
ONCE AGAIN THE PREVIOUS ACTION PLAN WAS SUGGESTED, THAT IS,
REMOVAL OF LP REAR BEARING PEDESTAL AFTER BREAKING
SECONDARY GROUTING COMPLETELY
REPLACEMENT OF FOUNDATION BOLTS
IN-SITU BALACNING OF GENERATOR ROTOR
DISMANTLING OBSERVATION
DURING REMOVAL OF LP REAR PEDESTAL, SECONDARY GROUT
MATERIAL WAS FOUND IN PIECES
OIL SEEPAGE WAS OBSERVED UNDER PEDESTAL

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HIGH VIBRATION IN 210 MW TG SETS


RESULT OF ABOVE WORKS
AFTER THE ABOVE MENTIONED WORKS CARRIED OUT (INCLUDING
IN-SITU BALANCING OF GENERATOR ROTOR) IN THE NEXT PLANNED
OVERHAUL, VIBRATION LEVEL OF LP REAR AND GENERATOR FRONT
IMPROVED IN BOTH VERTICAL AND AXIAL DIRECTION
MACHINE IS RUNNING SATISFACTORILY SINCE THEN

HENCE, LOOSENESS / VOID BETWEEN LP REAR PEDESTAL AND


SECONDARY GROUTING WAS FOUND TO BE THE ROOT CAUSE
OF HIGH LP REAR PEDESTAL AND GENERATOR FRONT
VIBRATION

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CONCLUSION
HISTORY

OF

THE

PROBLEM

SHOULD

BE

GIVEN

DUE

WEIGHTAGE FOR ANALYSING THE PROBLEM


ATTENTION SHOULD BE PAID TO INTERFACE AREAS BETWEEN
MACHINE

AND

SUPPORTING

SYSTEM

STRUCTURE

ADDITION TO MAIN MACHINE

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TIPS FOR BETTER DIAGNOSTICS


HISTORY OF MACHINE WITH RESPECT TO ITS DYNAMIC
BEHAVIOUR SHOULD BE STUDIED
REGULAR VIBRATION READING ON BEARING PEDESTAL AT
PRESCRIBED LOCATIONS SHOULD BE TAKEN FOR ASSESSING
THE TREND OF VIBRATION BEHAVIOUR ACCURATELY
SHAFT VIBRATION IN TWO ORTHOGONAL DIRECTIONS
SHOULD BE MEASURED FOR ORBIT ANALYSIS

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RECOMMENDED LOCATIONS OF VIBRATION MEASUREMENTS ON


BEARINGS AS PER ISO

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RECOMMENDED LOCATIONS OF SHAFT VIBRATION


MEASUREMENTS AS PER ISO
Measurin
g
Amplifier

Measurin
g
Amplifier

45O

PROXIMITY
PICK-UP

45O

SHAFT

VERTICAL

OR

SHAFT

R
HORIZONTAL

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TIPS FOR BETTER DIAGNOSTICS


EVERY UNIT SHOULD HAVE KEY PHASOR ARRANGEMENT FOR
VIBRATION ANALYSIS.
SCANNING OF VIBRATION PRONE AREAS INCLUDING SYSTEM /
FOUNDATION AROUND THE PROBLEMATIC AREA SHOULD BE
CONDUCTED
DEVIATION

IN

OPERATING

PARAMETERS

SHOULD

BE

RECORDED AND ANALYSED FOR THEIR EFFECT ON VIBRATION


BEHAVIOUR

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RUN UP & RUN DOWN VIBRATION BEHAVIOUR SHOULD BE
RECORDED FOR ALL BEARINGS AND SHAFT POSITIONS FOR
REFERENCE WHICH CAN BE USED DURING TROUBLESHOOTING
PRE-OUTAGE SURVEY SHOULD
OVERHAUL

FOR

BETTER

BE CONDUCTED PRIOR TO

PLANNING

OF

ADDITIONAL

ACTIVITIES / SPARES, IF REQUIRED


RECORD OF PREVIOUS BALANCING AT SITE SHOULD BE
MAINTAINED FOR REFERENCE PURPOSES

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LAST BUT NOT THE LEAST, DURING TROUBLESHOOTING,
EVERY FEEDBACK / OBSERVATION NEEDS TO BE CONFIRMED.
IF EVERYTHING IS ALRIGHT, VIBRATION PROBLEM WOULD
NOT

HAVE

BEEN

THERE.

SO

VERIFY

EACH

&

EVERY

POSSIBILITY AND CONFIRM FROM WRITTEN DOCUMENTS

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