CAN Communication

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The ECU:s in the PRT-series

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 Red, yellow and green bus
1 Air processing system APS
2 Instrument cluster ICL
3 Visibility system VIS
4 Lock and alarm system LAS
5 Bodywork system BWS
6 Tachograph TCO
7 Crash safety system CSS
8 Automatic climate control ACC
9 Audio system AUS
10 PC RTI
11 Gateway vehicle data RTG
12 Water heater system WTA
13 Clock and timer system CTS
14 Air heater system ATA
15 Engine management system EMS
16 Brake management system BMS
17 Suspension management system SMS
18 Gearbox management system GMS
19 Coordinator system COO
20 Connector for diagnotics
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 Principal function CAN communication

Fuse

ECU
Switch ECU ECU
Switch
CAN CAN

Consumers
Power
Ground Ground
What could destroy CAN communication?

No Power + or –, interference with CAN line/wiring.

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 Principal of detecting fault

Lamp switched off +12V Open Circuit

CAN J 1939 R
Node Processor

Node 12V
Detective voltage

Lamp switched off +12V

R
CAN J 1939
Node Processor

Node
0v

Lamp switched on +12V

R
CAN J 1939
+24V
Node
Node 24v
When the processor detects 12 or a high current then we
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have a fault
 The interfaces of the Instrument Cluster.

All values / information is distributed by CAN

58BA ext illum

U 15 ignition
ICL Wake up
U 30 supply
U 31 ground

Vehicle display Main display buttons

buttons (in instrument panel) (in steering wheel)

ICL

Ground + in different levels

All info to ICL is by CAN Twisted wiring
DAT Yellow Network

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 Termination resistors
Without termination resistors
EMS sending engine running Connector SMS don't understand

0100111000110 0010

EMS don't receive

EMS confirm message SMS
APS

Connector

The CAN message will reflect 0010

on the connectors and/or wiring

COO don't understand
or the ECU
COO
V
The reflected message is not 3,5 0 1 0
an understandable message H
2,5
L
Message 101100100110 1,5

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 The termination resistors
With termination resistors
EMS sending engine running Connector SMS understand

0100111000110
01001110000 110011010

EMS receive a
EMS confirm message SMS
APS
120Ω
Connector

010010010

COO understand
SMS
60Ω COO
V
3,5 0 1 0
H 2,6 120Ω
2,5
L 2,4
1,5

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 CAN Communication
Scania use 250 kb/s CAN Low

4,0 V One message

3,0 V
Average voltage 2,3
2,0 V

1,0 V

As more messages as lower the average voltage will be, max 1,0

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 CAN Communication
Scania use 250 kb/s

CAN High High and low

side are like a
One message mirror to each
other
4,0 V

3,0 V Average voltage 2,7 H

Average voltage 2,3 L
2,0 V

1,0 V

CAN Low

As more messages as higher the average voltage will be, max 3,5 on H side
As more messages as lower the average voltage will be, max 1,0 on L side
Max length on a can line should be 40 m otherwise there will be voltage
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 CAN connectors TRUCK

VCI Diagnostic bus

AUS COO
C479 / C481
CSS GMS EMS BMS SMS

CTS If no LAS
C479 / C481
CTS
WTA or AWD
TCO
ATA ICL
ACC TCO

RTG VIS

RTI APS

BWS
CTS = Clock and timer system
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 Connections in C479/C481
Green CAN

C479/C481

C479/C 481

1 4 7 13 16 19
2 5 8 14 17 20
15 18
3 6 9 21
COO

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What appears when yellow CAN
has failed to connect SPD3.

These are on the yellow CAN bus

CUV, BWS, APS, TCO,,,,,,,

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 Information about the control unit exists in SOPS but
= the control unit is not responding.

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 How to troubleshoot on CAN
Termination resistance = 120Ω
If low resistance, measure each ECU
to se who is destroying the CAN line
VCI Diagnostic bus

AUS COO
60 Ω CSS
C479 / C481
GMS EMS BWS SMS

CTS If no LAS
C479 / C481
CTS
WTA or AWD
TCO
ATA ICL
ACC TCO

RTG VIS

RTI APS

BCS
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 CAN terminal blocks

On the right side of instrument panel Approx 60 ohm

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How to troubleshoot on CAN 80K Ω 10 Ω 2,5 V
Correct value if
The resistors are
Any ECU
more thanon+ -same
0,5V
disconnected or
CANECU
then line is faulty
fault on
faulty
VCI same line

COO
C479 C481 C480
AUS

CSS

CTS LAS GMS EMS BWS SMS

WTA ICL C479 / C481 / 480

ATA TCO
1 4 7 13 16 19
2 5 8 14 17 20 5 and 17 to EMS from C480
ACC VIS 3 6 9 15 18 21 9 and 21 to COO from all

RTG APS
H L
RTI BCS Technical Training
 How to troubleshoot on CAN
Technical Market Information 16-040525

VCI Diagnostic bus Termination resistance = 120Ω

AUS COO
BUS / COACH
CSS C 506 GMS EMS BWS SMS

WTA If no TCO Check points:

ATA ICL CAN H / L to earth approx 2,5 V.
RTG TCO Between CAN H and L approx 60Ω.
Between CAN H / L and earth > KΩ or more.
RTI VIS
If no connection with PC check green bus.
C 507
APS If no connection whit ICL by DTC yellow bus.

BCS DTC = Diagnostic Trouble Code

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